Military Review

In Lockheed Martin reported on new difficulties in the production of F-35

183
Jeff Babione, Lockheed Martin Corporation’s Vice-President of F-35, spoke about the problems encountered in the production of F-35 fighter jets, reports RIA News.




According to Babion, the company has encountered difficulties in meeting the requirements of the military department to ensure the low observability of the aircraft. As reasons, he called the "uniqueness of products and a sharp increase in production rates."

At the same time, a company representative acknowledged the “influence of the human factor”.

There is damage to the coating, and they need to be fixed,
he said.

Or, since the coating is partially applied to the plane by the workers, they sometimes have to remove the excess,
added Babion.

Earlier, Vice Admiral Mat Winter criticized the company's management for "slow elimination of various non-conformities with quality standards in production."

Recall, the F-35 Lightning II is the second multi-functional 5-generation fighter (after the F-22 Raptor). The aircraft were regularly criticized, including by Donald Trump.

The media has repeatedly reported various technical issues with the F-35. For example, in October 2017, it became known that many pilots had oxygen starvation symptoms, and in November, the US Department of Defense froze on 30 days a program to equip the military with these planes after they discovered rust.
Photos used:
http://www.globallookpress.com
183 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 16
    +58
    I advise the company Loch Kid to contact the Israelis from the VO site, wassat These users can easily prove to the company that all this is crap, the plane is super, it does not have anal suckers, and in general, wassat stop singing to the tune of the Kremlin wassat!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 8 March 2018 18: 19
      +11
      Quote: Herkulesich
      I advise the company Loch Kid to contact the Israelis from the VO site, wassat These users can easily prove to the company that all this is crap, the plane is super, it does not have anal suckers, and in general, wassat stop singing to the tune of the Kremlin wassat!

      Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes? Can the Russians share information?
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 23
        +27
        Aaron hi Su57, as we know, and you can find information on the Internet, is being tested and debugged with new engines!
      2. poquello
        poquello 8 March 2018 18: 26
        +20
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Herkulesich
        I advise the company Loch Kid to contact the Israelis from the VO site, wassat These users can easily prove to the company that all this is crap, the plane is super, it does not have anal suckers, and in general, wassat stop singing to the tune of the Kremlin wassat!

        Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes? Can the Russians share information?

        and f35 already competes in climb rate with pakfa? )))))) IMHO this pepelats with 57 did not stand nearby, and do not expect
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 9 March 2018 04: 36
          +1
          But adopted for service! Without any refinement - the collective farmers will bring.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 9 March 2018 13: 47
            +1
            Quote: Black Colonel
            But adopted for service!


            You are mistaken - F-35 is not accepted for service.

            According to a January DOT & E report, the F-35 must not even be allowed to go into government testing yet.
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 18: 28
        +17
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes?

        Guys .... You got a high-tech problem. For your money, mind you .... When you buy a squadron of problematic Dryers, we will answer you - where is the root of evil ....
        laughing
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 8 March 2018 18: 45
          +5
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          When buy a squadron of troubled Dryers

          Will file Sushki wings? what Or maybe we’ll go over the shoulder blades with a chisel? repeat In any case, I’m with you Ilyich! fellow
        2. Babermetis
          Babermetis 8 March 2018 22: 21
          +5
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes?

          Guys .... You got a high-tech problem. For your money, mind you .... When you buy a squadron of problematic Dryers, we will answer you - where is the root of evil ....
          laughing


          I agree with you all 100%
      4. Iskander-Khan
        Iskander-Khan 8 March 2018 18: 36
        0
        undergoing field trials ...
      5. 210ox
        210ox 8 March 2018 18: 54
        +11
        Aron, what can I say about the problems with the SU ... Yes, we couldn’t drag him to the golf course .. Like the F35 in the photo ..
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Herkulesich
        I advise the company Loch Kid to contact the Israelis from the VO site, wassat These users can easily prove to the company that all this is crap, the plane is super, it does not have anal suckers, and in general, wassat stop singing to the tune of the Kremlin wassat!

        Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes? Can the Russians share information?
      6. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 8 March 2018 18: 58
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Herkulesich
        I advise the company Loch Kid to contact the Israelis from the VO site, wassat These users can easily prove to the company that all this is crap, the plane is super, it does not have anal suckers, and in general, wassat stop singing to the tune of the Kremlin wassat!

        Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes? Can the Russians share information?

        Most certainly. But only on a reciprocal basis.
      7. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 8 March 2018 18: 59
        +14
        The last prototype PAK FA made a flight from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Zhukovsky

        According to spotters, on March 6, 2018, at the Yeltsovka aerodrome (Novosibirsk), he was captured while making an intermediate landing while flying from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to the airport of JSC M.M.Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky near Moscow ( the tenth) flight prototype of a fifth-generation Russian fighter under the PAK FA program - T-50-10 aircraft (tail number "510"). Then the same board was also captured upon arrival in Zhukovsky. Before that, the T-50-10 did not appear in the public domain.

        The T-50-10 aircraft was built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (a branch of Sukhoi Company PJSC) and made its first flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur without wide publicity on December 23, 2017. In total, ten PAK FA (T-2010) flight prototypes were built in this way from 2017 to 50.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 19: 19
          +8
          One more photo
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 8 March 2018 19: 26
            +2
            Yes, here on the site you can’t attach a lot of photos. Therefore, I did not.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 19: 32
              +2
              Quote: Sith Lord
              Yes, here on the site you can’t attach a lot of photos

              I was just lucky - I came across this photo as soon as I left VO .... fellow
        2. figwam
          figwam 8 March 2018 19: 50
          +6
          Lord of the Sith

          This year, the construction of serial boards began, which will go to the troops.
      8. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 8 March 2018 19: 07
        +3
        what for ? less know better sleep
      9. dauria
        dauria 8 March 2018 19: 22
        +2
        Okay, about the F-35, we know a lot,


        Wonderful !!! I have long been interested in the question - what kind of white contours are there, like masking tape? Aron, this is not irony, it is really incomprehensible - for what? If you putty (or glue) the gaps of the panels, why is the color different? By the way, this misunderstanding is also present on Su ... recourse
        1. Topgun
          Topgun 9 March 2018 00: 28
          0
          where there are bright stripes there are different door covers with access to different systems for maintenance, or for example the figure-eight under the cab - there is a folding gangway hidden.
          why I don’t know the different color at the contours of all these doors, maybe just for the convenience of technicians (so that you can see because everything is very tight and probably hard to find), or maybe there is a slightly different coating - wear-resistant and not scratched (when technicians climb there, they may scratch ) or maybe it is so rubberized that the cracks are denser closed ...
      10. gridasov
        gridasov 8 March 2018 19: 49
        +3
        The obvious and non-obvious problems at Lockheed, like all others, indicate that the Americans are ahead of the others and have faced what others have yet to face. After all, few people understand and are able to see that everyone essentially has the same technology at the heart of those physical issues that everyone supposedly solves himself. The main issue is precisely the flight qualities that are based on the operation of the engines. Therefore, only those who understand why nothing can be squeezed out of modern engines anymore, and will seek new fundamental principles for the operation of these engines will be one step ahead of the others.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 March 2018 21: 30
          +6
          Quote: gridasov
          The main issue is precisely the flight qualities that are based on the operation of the engines.

          In fact, claims to the 35th are not in the engines alone.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 8 March 2018 21: 36
            +1
            I’m talking specifically about key and fundamental issues that will contribute to both vertical take-off and shortening of the landing run and economy, which means increasing the flight range, as well as the payload and dramatic improvement in maneuverability, etc.
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 9 March 2018 02: 23
          +3
          Quote: gridasov
          Therefore, only those who understand why nothing can be squeezed out of modern engines anymore, and will seek new fundamental principles for the operation of these engines will be one step ahead of the others.

          Fundamental principles of engine operation. To search. How many will we find? Now I’ll go and find the fundamental principle of the aircraft engine. However, the noise here is stupid, it seems, already. It's easier to go to sleep.
          You give gravity. 9.8G in the gravity compensator.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 9 March 2018 10: 50
            +1
            Well, yes, if it were so that they took it and found it, then believe it, they would have done it a hundred years ago. Every God’s day a huge amount of people are paid a lot of money to invent and improve technology. But apparently it is not so simple. Therefore, there will be, as always, someone alone who at a certain point in time will see and solve the problem.
        3. Conserp
          Conserp 9 March 2018 13: 57
          +4
          Quote: gridasov
          The obvious and non-obvious problems at Lockheed, like all others, indicate that the Americans are ahead of the others and have faced what others have yet to face.

          - the impossibility of ejection at supersonic
          - pilots choke
          - hook is too short
          - titanium parts (unlike imported - Russian) crumble
          - AFAR on fundamentally flawed GaAs instead of GaN
          - the inability to launch supersonic rockets
          - overload of the construction is already one and a half times
          - unregulated air intakes
          - horse fuel consumption
          - rhenium-ruthenium engines, worth 300 kg of gold each

          And so on - is it from the special forward of the other?
          1. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 9 March 2018 14: 36
            0
            Quote: Conserp
            - rhenium-ruthenium engines, worth 300 kg of gold each

            Did I oversleep?
            "..the inability to bail out supersonic .."
            quasimodes in any theater come in handy after such a rebound.
            - ".. the pilots are choking ..".
            let them breathe deeper, comrades, or scuba diving will help.
            Huck short, yes.
            1. Conserp
              Conserp 9 March 2018 18: 06
              +1
              Quote: iliitch
              Quote: Conserp
              - rhenium-ruthenium engines, worth 300 kg of gold each
              Did I oversleep?

              In order to increase the temperature in front of the turbine, some inventive internal structures in ventilated blades are invented here.

              But the Americans are spoiled and used to stupidly throw any problem with a bunch of dough. Blades are made of rhenium-ruthenium alloys. As a result, the price of one engine is approximately 300 kg of gold (~ $ 14-15 million).
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 9 March 2018 15: 12
            +1
            You absolutely say everything correctly. But why do all these problems exist? Because everything is inherent in ideology then. what and how is used initially. Therefore, I say that it is possible to invent something incredibly fantastic and supposedly promising. But this will be a private decision. Therefore, it is necessary to talk about complex fundamental discoveries and inventions. Therefore, these discoveries are complicated. Take for example
            1. Conserp
              Conserp 9 March 2018 18: 09
              +1
              Quote: gridasov
              But why do all these problems exist? Because everything is inherent in ideology then. what and how is used initially

              This is an absolutely ridiculous excuse.

              "He looks good, but green."
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 9 March 2018 19: 06
                +1
                You are right about that. that the absurdity lies in the fact that we are talking each relying on our understanding of the process that is used in the modern engine and the one I'm talking about. You see the engine and do not delve into the essence of the physical process that limits the parameters of its operation and generally limits the prospects for its improvement. You can start with the fact that you only see the work of the engine in those parameters that you then consider as positive or negative. In other words, you see the work only of “iron.” I see the work of the engine as an element of transformation of the elastic medium in such a way as to use the properties of this medium, and not just fuel energy conversion devices. Isn't that a difference in ideology? Therefore, I have already noted several times that the surfaces of the rotor flow should perceive pressure flow in a completely different way. Then there will be no three levels of pressure loss on the blades. Our turbine does not It has a pressure loss at much higher rotation speeds, which means that the axial thrust in the direction of flow and thrust during mass rejection will be orders of magnitude higher.Also, all this is associated with the conversion of the potential energy of hydro-hydrodynamic flow, and modern engines do not even consider this process.
                And most importantly, for the analysis of such complex processes, it is necessary to use the mathematical methods themselves, which are completely different from those used now. Hence, I believe that calling me green is premature
                1. Vkd dvk
                  Vkd dvk 9 March 2018 19: 11
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  You are right about that. that the absurdity lies in the fact that we are talking each relying on our understanding of the process that is used in the modern engine and the one I'm talking about. You see the engine and do not delve into the essence of the physical process that limits the parameters of its operation and generally limits the prospects for its improvement. You can start with the fact that you only see the work of the engine in those parameters that you then consider as positive or negative. In other words, you see the work only of “iron.” I see the work of the engine as an element of transformation of the elastic medium in such a way as to use the properties of this medium, and not just fuel energy conversion devices. Isn't that a difference in ideology? Therefore, I have already noted several times that the surfaces of the rotor flow should perceive pressure flow in a completely different way. Then there will be no three levels of pressure loss on the blades. Our turbine does not It has a pressure loss at much higher rotation speeds, which means that the axial thrust in the direction of flow and thrust during mass rejection will be orders of magnitude higher.Also, all this is associated with the conversion of the potential energy of hydro-hydrodynamic flow, and modern engines do not even consider this process.
                  And most importantly, for the analysis of such complex processes, it is necessary to use the mathematical methods themselves, which are completely different from those used now. Hence, I believe that calling me green is premature

                  Why scare the local population with these words?
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 9 March 2018 19: 14
                    +1
                    Yes, like nothing that can not be explained did not say
                2. Conserp
                  Conserp 9 March 2018 20: 57
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  we speak, each relying on his own understanding of the process that is used in a modern engine ...

                  It’s you talking about anything horrible, or rather, resonating.

                  The engine has nothing to do with the fact that the F-35 is completely unstable junk.

                  His engine is just very good - the best ever created in the USA and one of the best in the world.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 9 March 2018 21: 31
                    +1
                    I have no strength to convince that the engines of all aircraft and generally all turbines are not built on well-thought out, to put it mildly, algorithms. If good, then fly on. Only .... it is pointless to say anything else. I am surprised to people that everywhere they shout about the search for breakthrough ideas, and they themselves lack an elementary mind
                    1. Conserp
                      Conserp 10 March 2018 00: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: gridasov
                      I have no strength to convince ...


                      You do not have the strength to write at least something meaningful on the topic.

                      Only absurd pseudo-technical resonant flows of consciousness.

                      Forgot to take pills? Oh, this spring.
                      1. gridasov
                        gridasov 10 March 2018 12: 48
                        +1
                        Good ! With the location and shape of the blades that are used now at a certain and known speed of rotation of the rotor with the blades, an accumulation of the potential difference in these blades occurs. Since a very strong EMF occurs in centrifugal rotation and ionization increases due to the motion of the gas-dynamic flow along the surface of the outflow, an increase in the linear potential difference causes an increase in spin. In this case, processes of transformation of the potential energy of the air flow on the blades arise. In elastic liquid media or in water, these processes are called cavitation, and in a gas-dynamic flow this is expressed by the fact that a pressure drop occurs and the flow ruptures on the turbine blades. Therefore . It is simply necessary to remove the combustion chamber beyond the plane of the surfaces of the expiration. Since if you try to increase the temperature in the combustion chamber, this will lead to the fact that the distribution of magnetic fluxes will only contribute to even faster destruction of the blades. But if we do this as we say, and remove the combustion chamber beyond the planes, then the polarization of the blades will be fat, but it can already be depolarized in the direction of the rotation axis. This means that an increase in the centrifugal forces of rotation of the rotor will only more contribute to the establishment of a balanced process. There will be a banal self-stabilization of the distribution of tension in the device.
                        The search for any new materials in the design of the main turbine assembly is not able to solve the problem. Magnetic force processes have such potentials that any material will collapse. But then you just need to look for new algorithms for organizing the expiration process. The engine and turbine are becoming much simpler and with great potential. By the way, the distribution of flows can be along the entire azimuth and without changing the rotor speed. The turbine, according to our principles, does not have a pressure drop and at what rotor speed and in any medium.
                        Of course, I explained everything in a language popular and accessible to everyone. Although I doubt that anyone understood anything.
          3. gridasov
            gridasov 10 March 2018 12: 59
            +1
            There is no and cannot exist such materials in which it would be impossible to create your own emf and potential difference by the vector of this emf. This means that any voltage and its growth along a linear vector will cause an increase in spin or rotating magnetic fluxes. Therefore, since tension is always the symmetry of tension potentials at the ends of the blades, at some point the spin will destroy or simply tear this blade. And there is not and cannot be materials capable of withstanding the growth of potential energy aggravated by the fact that the hydro-gas-dynamic flow also contributes to the growth of tension in the body on the surface of interaction with the dynamic flow.
            Therefore, the future lies only with such turbines and such designs and calculation methods that we are talking about. Modern turbines are trampling on the spot - not to mention their cost and their futility as a path to progress and scientific development
            1. Conserp
              Conserp 10 March 2018 23: 10
              +1
              Are you generating this nonsense in Yandex essays?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 11 March 2018 12: 36
                +1
                I’ll tell you straight. I watched a video of a crash of a transport aircraft in Syria and with full confidence in what was said, I can say that the pilot did not act professionally with the situation he was in. The fact is that when the pilot clearly sees that he is not reaching the runway he lifted the nose of the airplane and tried to disperse the propellers. But with a sharp increase in revolutions on the vinaths, air pressure dips on the blades occur and it is clear how after that the airplane not only did not go up, but also fell like a stone. And here I’m directly ready to blame people like you and designers who don’t understand that when working with hydrodynamic flows, there come moments when the applied power does not allow you to use the elastic properties of the medium. The three stages of pressure drop and the occurrence of cavitation effects are not so pronounced with air flow, but they are very visually visible in water. But in exactly the same way a pressure drop occurs both in air and in water. Therefore, when I say that my turbine does not have a fall and flow discontinuity at any speeds and accelerations of the propulsion device, then this is absolutely thought out and experience and justification. Therefore, on my own behalf, I blame complicity in the killing of all those who oppose new ideas and technologies. Who are able to make flying on an aircraft absolutely safe under any altered flight conditions.
              2. Vkd dvk
                Vkd dvk 11 March 2018 13: 03
                +2
                Quote: Conserp
                Are you generating this nonsense in Yandex essays?

                Since the Higher Attestation Commission turns such dissertations into a psychiatric hospital, but here it can be done with impunity, therefore, this comrade chose an audience here.
      11. myrzilka
        myrzilka 8 March 2018 20: 13
        +7
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And what do we know about the problems that the Su-57 overcomes

        And here we go 57? Panimaesh, darago, you’ll talk about F-35. Here the article on SU - 57, the Togida and the Pagavar about this marvelous awakening, the trickster of exceptional and kosher eFoks, at least 35, at least 22, at least .... wake up the figure yourself.
      12. Falcond
        Falcond 8 March 2018 21: 06
        +3
        Right here on the site are mainly the creator-engineers of the Su-57, the pilots testing it and the military representatives responsible for its acceptance ... now they will tell you everything in detail!)))
      13. Falcond
        Falcond 8 March 2018 21: 27
        +4
        And what do we know about the problems that the Su-57 overcomes? Can the Russians share information?

      14. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 8 March 2018 21: 32
        +5
        And what do we know about the problems that the Su-57 overcomes?

        Oh ..... do you really need it? laughing You already have something to stay up at night yes
      15. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 9 March 2018 01: 58
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Well then, about the F-35, we know a lot, starting from its first steps. And what do we know about the problems that Su-57 overcomes? Can the Russians share information?

        What bolt to share with? Vaccinations are given to the child, so do not worry.
      16. dokusib
        dokusib 9 March 2018 04: 00
        0
        And the SU-57 is still not being sold to anyone
      17. krops777
        krops777 9 March 2018 04: 50
        0
        The F-22 will be more successful (in any case, I have heard less about it) than the F-35 can because it was born in competition with Northrop YF-23.
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 12
          +2
          Quote: krops777
          F-22 will be more successful (in any case, I’ve heard less about it)

          It doesn’t matter, I’ll tell you a little.

          F-22 - the first flight in late 1990, the beginning of deliveries to the troops - the beginning of 2005. Sky-eager still.

          It was created as a “clean fighter,” but ironically, it’s like a bomber, but it has serious problems in terms of air combat: it cannot use AIM-120D missiles, and AIM-120C missiles can be used either only on the fly or only from external pendants. (The key difference between the AIM-120D and the AIM-120C-7 is the shockproof design of the electronics. The AIM-120C crashes when it leaves the compartment in a supersonic stream. This will not be written about on Wikipedia).

          According to current plans, only in 2019 should the finalization to a fully operational state (Increment 3.2B) of 152 F-22 units (including 9 prototypes) begin.
          The remaining 3 dozen issued aircraft are generally unsuitable for combat missions, are considered to be trainers and are not subject to refinement.

          OLS is absent.
          Incompatible datalink.
          Radar is obsolete by component base.
          Pilots are choking.
          Supersonic ejection is impossible (deadly).
          The cost of operation is prohibitive.
          Readiness is low.

          Aerodynamically - this is a brick that simply pushes itself through the air due to very powerful and very voracious engines.
      18. Hanokem
        Hanokem 9 March 2018 10: 44
        0
        But the Su-57 has no problems and cannot be by definition. After all, this is a Russian plane, not like a penguin, a child prodigy and an F-35 flying iron, which are made by stupid and corrupt Americans
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 9 March 2018 14: 32
          +2
          Well, you see, you yourself know everything perfectly. We just harness for a long time .....
      19. Hiller
        Hiller 9 March 2018 22: 04
        0
        About Su-57 we have only the information that is published in the open press .. So "look, but find
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 10 March 2018 00: 48
          +1
          About Su-57, we have at least some directly observable flight data. To a more or less versed person, everything becomes clear right away.

          The Su-57 has already clearly overcome as much as the Americans even waved at.

          You can clearly see the qualitative superiority in terms of aerodynamics, layout, air intakes, control systems.
    2. Dmitry Belovetsky
      Dmitry Belovetsky 8 March 2018 18: 20
      +6
      soon the whole entu program is recognized as erroneous!
    3. The_lancet
      The_lancet 8 March 2018 18: 21
      +11
      For reasons he called “the uniqueness of the products and sharp increase in production».

      But this is very good. And the unit price goes down. All users are happy. Why then are they constantly trying to create a gloomy picture on the site?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 March 2018 18: 30
        +12
        Quote: The_Lancet
        But this is very good, and the unit price goes down.

        Good, even if at the expense of quality?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 8 March 2018 18: 47
          +7
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: The_Lancet
          But this is very good, and the unit price goes down.

          Good, even if at the expense of quality?

          Um. This is bad. Even worse if they hide it. If a problem is spoken out loud, it will be fixed.
          1. myrzilka
            myrzilka 8 March 2018 20: 14
            +6
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            If a problem is spoken about, it will be fixed.

            Or close the program))))
          2. Kent0001
            Kent0001 9 March 2018 14: 34
            0
            Several problems were voiced, but how many were silent?
      2. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 8 March 2018 19: 00
        +15
        Quote: The_Lancet
        For reasons he called “the uniqueness of the products and sharp increase in production».

        But this is very good. And the unit price goes down. All users are happy. Why then are they constantly trying to create a gloomy picture on the site?

        It seems you did not understand. The military authorities complain about the increase in the number of marriage, explaining this by the increase in production.
        In other words, the marriage is put on the conveyor.
      3. Falcond
        Falcond 8 March 2018 21: 11
        +3
        Why then is the site constantly trying to create a gloomy picture?

        Firstly: this is the site of the Military Review, and not the Military review ...
        Secondly: do not despair, everything with the Phantom will be good))))
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 9 March 2018 04: 35
          0
          Quote: FalconD
          Secondly: do not despair, everything with the Phantom will be good))))

          And they have Phantoms .. a couple of thousand pieces still canned. What a disposal potential.
      4. KonoGon
        KonoGon 9 March 2018 09: 44
        0
        Quote: The_Lancet
        Why then is the site constantly trying to create a gloomy picture?
        Why, envy, that's all.
      5. Conserp
        Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 17
        +1
        The launch of a large series when the aircraft even before the state tests are not allowed due to a host of structural defects - this is wonderful.

        It was the case, in the same way, the M114 armored cars were almost directly released to the scrap metal dump. But good kickbacks were for the contract.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 March 2018 18: 55
      +8
      I'll leave statistics here

      US Air Force fleet technical availability

      Published uninteresting official data on the technical readiness of the US Air Force fleet in fiscal year 2017 (ended September 30, 2017), including in comparison with previous years.

      There has been a constant decrease in the average technical readiness of the Air Force fleet over the past few years, and it is especially noticeable for the fifth generation fighter Lockheed Martin F-22A and Lockheed Martin F-35A.


      Also, the US Air Force continues to experience a shortage of qualified ground-based technical personnel. Although over the past few years the US Air Force has been able to reduce the overall shortage of ground-based technical personnel from 4000 to 200 people, however, most of the recruited technical specialists are still insufficiently qualified ("3rd level") and can only operate under the guidance of specialists of the "5th "and" 7th "levels, in which there is still a significant shortage. In addition, a disproportionate number of ground-level specialists of the highest skill levels are inevitably involved in advanced deployments, leaving air force units in the United States with ground-based technical deficits.

      The decrease in the technical readiness of the US Air Force fleet has become one of the factors for reducing the level of air raid flight personnel. The US Air Force continues to experience a serious shortage of pilots (about 2000 people - about 10% of the total need). According to the data provided by the newspaper, the US Air Force considers it necessary for pilots to have an average flight time of 20-25 hours a month, and the minimum necessary - 15-20 hours a month, or three flights a week (four flights a week for pilots to be introduced). In fact, in fiscal year 2017, the average airline per pilot in the US Air Force was 17,6 hours per month, including 16,4 hours per month for fighter pilots, 17,6 hours per month for military transport pilots, and 19,4 hours per month - for bomber pilots. However, these average data do not give the whole picture, since pilots in advanced deployments have a much higher flying time (both in terms of number of flights and their duration), while pilots of units in the United States are much smaller. The latter in many cases make only four to five flights a month.
      1. myrzilka
        myrzilka 8 March 2018 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        still have insufficient qualifications ("3rd level") and can only act under the guidance of specialists of the "5th" and "7th" levels,

        Gloves should be changed more often during work. And then they are used to working in gloves only. The Americans did the right thing by introducing color differentiation of glove work. Immediately obvious, not savages)))) At the same time, the sewing industry will be supported)))) But I wonder what percentage of the cost of the aircraft is the cost of a set of gloves for maintenance))))
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 9 March 2018 00: 03
          +3
          Quote: myrzilka
          Gloves should be changed more often during work. And then they are used to working in gloves only.

          Oh how ... And I was taught as a cadet - in pants not f .... man, not a mechanic in gloves. smile
        2. dokusib
          dokusib 9 March 2018 04: 32
          +6
          A society that does not have the color differentiation of pants has no future. Ku laughing
    5. Pingo
      Pingo 9 March 2018 05: 41
      0
      He gave them advice, and now everything from just one immediately turned arrows only do what they justify.
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 8 March 2018 18: 16
    +6
    Pancake. Interestingly, they do not make this secret and freely discuss problems. Maybe this is really the best lever to overcome them.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 19
      +7
      Aaron hi - nothing comes of them without you !!! The workers who make the plane see it well !!! wassat
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 8 March 2018 18: 23
        +5
        Herculesic hi
        The workers who make the plane see it well !!!
        Correct at the end your comment from (!!!) to ??? laughing
      2. myrzilka
        myrzilka 8 March 2018 20: 20
        +1
        Quote: Herkulesich
        The workers who make the plane see it well !!!

        But, if you hang it with a rag and put it in a corner. Then it will definitely be invisible)))
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 18: 23
      +7
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Pancake. Interestingly, they do not make this secret and freely discuss problems. Maybe this is really the best lever to overcome them.

      I remember in the years of my childhood, "Pioneer Truth" held contests to overcome technological problems in search of a "fresh uncomplicated childhood look" ..... wassat
      It remains to announce the list of problems - you see, people will respond ....
      wassat
    3. poquello
      poquello 8 March 2018 18: 28
      +4
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Pancake. Interestingly, they do not make this secret and freely discuss problems. Maybe this is really the best lever to overcome them.

      ))))))))))))))) it is necessary to sell, if they make a secret out of this, buyers will start asking questions
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 8 March 2018 18: 44
      +3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Maybe this is really the best lever to overcome them.

      Production stepped up to 200 machines (not the cheapest), but they still overcome something. Maybe you should have brought the car first?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 8 March 2018 18: 48
        +2
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Maybe this is really the best lever to overcome them.

        Production stepped up to 200 machines (not the cheapest), but they still overcome something. Maybe you should have brought the car first?

        This is normal. Not all cars have problems.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 18: 59
          +9
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Not all cars have problems.

          It’s interesting, but if Galil would shoot every other time, or did Merkava stall without leaving boxing?
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 25
            0
            By the way, Merkava-4 really stalled. ~ 500 engines had to be scrapped if I remember correctly.
      2. The_lancet
        The_lancet 8 March 2018 18: 52
        +2
        should you bring the car first?

        What do you mean by that?
        What else needs to be fixed except for the code? C ++ is used and it is required to minimize the occurrence of hard-to-detect errors.
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 8 March 2018 19: 38
          +4
          Quote: The_Lancet
          C ++ is used and it is required to minimize the occurrence of hard-to-detect errors

          For this, they use professional programmers, not by-code coders, so that program errors do not produce themselves belay In order for the code to be self-testing and guaranteed to be executed, this requires skill and knowledge of mathematics. How did you manage to write code for f22? They don’t remember anymore - the specialists retired ... laughing
        2. _Jack_
          _Jack_ 8 March 2018 21: 41
          +1
          Have you read the article? Here about the problems with the stealth coating are interpreted, where does the software?
      3. myrzilka
        myrzilka 8 March 2018 20: 21
        +1
        Quote: APASUS
        Maybe you should first bring the car?

        Forge money on the spot! As their favorite chef likes to say))))
    5. Kasym
      Kasym 8 March 2018 19: 05
      +7
      Aron, good evening, competition between companies leaves nothing to these secrets. The lobbyists of these companies are crushing and forcing all information about competitors to merge. Surely "their spies" are missing from competing companies. Well, it’s easier then to pay off if you have to stop production (as with F-22).
      I do not want to pour mud on the F-35, but it is very controversial. On the one hand, a universal aircraft cannot be any better than highly specialized. They wanted to save on universality, but got the most expensive project. On the other hand, advanced electronics (network-centricity, communications, radar, etc.) and a powerful engine. It seems that more is needed for a better aircraft ?! hi
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 28
        +3
        Quote: Kasym
        On the other hand, advanced electronics (network-centricity, communications, radar, etc.)

        MiG-31 with all this flew back in 1980.
    6. Locksmith
      Locksmith 8 March 2018 19: 23
      +10
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      they do not make this secret and freely discuss problems

      This is not a problem - this is an attempt to "get away", such as working eccentrics through the letter M, from them problems with invisibility, and not because the designers have figured out. And they don’t discuss the most important problems, they quietly leaked.
      He has a carbon fiber transverse fuselage set and it cracks from gun loads and flight loads - that’s the problem !! Our 57 has a set of metal and it’s deeply violet that these loads are overloads, as well as the center section fire splinters, which cannot be said about the fu35 — a typical police airplane, a neat, high-tech — art hanging master laughing but absolutely decorative .....
    7. gridasov
      gridasov 8 March 2018 19: 54
      +1
      Because they understand that the problems are no longer able to be solved by the potential of industry scientists and engineers. No wonder DARPA was created to get ideas not only from specialists, but also from dreamers.
  3. Приговор
    Приговор 8 March 2018 18: 17
    +6
    Do not dare to criticize the second after Yahweh, the god of our little friends from sunny Israel! ... laughing
  4. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 8 March 2018 18: 17
    +1
    overdone a hundred pounds coated!
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 21
      +3
      They glue it with the back and the plane therefore radiates more than we are told! belay
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 17
    +1
    Then start immediately making a new model -F36,6 !!! wassat wassat wassat
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 8 March 2018 18: 17
    +11
    Yes it’s a direct gift of some kind. Directly for dessert laughing
    reported new difficulties in manufacturing the F-35
    Yes, they threw our topic to them in the late 80s. They justified 210%. They bought it. Executed. And ofigeli. Now what to do with all this guano recourse Likely to drain the remainder to Azerbaijan. There, the lover of "Iron" from the VO site liveslaughing And of course, the Israeli-Ukrainian comrades love to praise. That flies with difficulty.
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 8 March 2018 18: 23
    +3
    A trifle, but nice
  8. Masya masya
    Masya masya 8 March 2018 18: 23
    +8
    new difficulties, then new money injections are needed ... wink
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 28
      +1
      Marina hi love hi Happy March 8! They will soon melt the machine, so that all their Wishlist to realize!
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 8 March 2018 18: 33
        +7
        Hello, Vitalievich! love
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Their machine will soon melt

        let the little egg shake ... wink
        and thank you ... love
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 8 March 2018 18: 58
          +6
          Marina with a holiday love
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 8 March 2018 19: 07
            +7
            Hello! love love
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 8 March 2018 23: 36
              +4
              Marish, pluses only for red furry.
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 8 March 2018 18: 30
      +5
      Masya masya
      new difficulties, then new cash injections are needed ..
      And with this matter in the world today it is very strict repeat
      And happy holiday Marina love
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 8 March 2018 18: 42
        +6
        Sergey, hello there! love
        Quote: Observer2014
        And with this matter in the world today it is very strict

        oh well ... shake the pinocchio ... wassat
        thanks for the congratulations! love
    3. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 8 March 2018 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      then we need new cash injections ...

      So they are already fighting with vassals fellow lol
      Marina, Happy Holiday !!! Health, happiness, love and good luck! love drinks hi
      Malawat women will be on the site, therefore each more attention smile
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 8 March 2018 18: 49
        +5
        Hi, Andrew! love
        Quote: Rurikovich
        So they are already fighting with vassals

        then do not shake the pinocchio, but the pinocchio !!! laughing
        and...
        love
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 8 March 2018 18: 53
          +2
          Quote: Masya Masya
          a pinocchio

          Right !!! fellow Yes, and the "country of fools" is available from half the continent wink
  9. The comment was deleted.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 March 2018 18: 27
    +9
    There are two “holy” topics on the topwar — about fellow countrymen from Israel, and oh f35! The absence of either of them makes the day gloomy! wassat
    1. dauria
      dauria 8 March 2018 21: 32
      +3
      there are two "holy" topics about fellow countrymen from Israel, and about f35!


      Oh my God ! Will the “topwar” forget Ukraine, as the ungrateful Europeans and Putin in their “appeal”? Where the world is heading ...
    2. dokusib
      dokusib 9 March 2018 04: 38
      +1
      Forgot Oleg Kaptsov and Zamvolt
  11. Clumsy
    Clumsy 8 March 2018 18: 27
    +4
    Well, they did it, they don’t fly and are not visible)))
  12. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 8 March 2018 18: 33
    +2
    Difficulties exist for everyone. But I would not classify Americans as good workers. Compare their products with the Chinese, and, at times, worse.
    1. RusskiyMos
      RusskiyMos 8 March 2018 18: 48
      +2
      Great experience in using American products? What kind of products?
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 8 March 2018 23: 12
        0
        funny, but in the global sale of mass there is no American household appliances and not even a lot of cars. It is clear that they do everything for themselves, but still)). Although I have New Belance sneakers, they really speak of the American assembly and they are very different from the Vietnamese ones of the same model in quality and design even though they have the same model number.
        1. region58
          region58 9 March 2018 02: 05
          0
          Quote: AwaZ
          world wide sale of no American home appliances

          I’m sorry, but what about Dell, IBM, Nvidia, Garmin, Hewlett-Packard, Apple, Xerox, Harman, JBL, as they say, offhand .... Then each region has its own peculiarities - we also have little about Embraer and Bombardier heard however fly themselves.
          1. Yngvar
            Yngvar 9 March 2018 10: 16
            0
            In 97, he acquired the "Pentium-70", "white build" "Dell" for the office, the coolest server at that time, opened the side panel and, lo and behold, on all "made in China" microcircuits. I was glad for our "friends" and "partners".
            1. Megamarcel
              Megamarcel 9 March 2018 11: 33
              0
              And if you look at Russian shoe brands or for example, engines for GAZelle, then there is also Made in China.
              1. Yngvar
                Yngvar 9 March 2018 16: 09
                0
                Yes Yes! So since then (90s) we, and throughout the world, have more and more Made in China. It’s alarming ... And this is not about integration, but about expansion, with all the consequences ...
            2. region58
              region58 9 March 2018 22: 04
              0
              Quote: Yngvar
              white assembly

              Would you tie it up ... There is a concept - "production technology", if it is followed then, roughly speaking, I don’t care where it is done - in Europe, China, Honduras, or elsewhere. Plus control at the exit - it turns out what you need. And it’s not cheap.
              But ... In the pursuit of cheapness (there is a fairy tale about seven hats from one skin), orders are often placed "in the basement of Uncle Liao" - as a result
              Quote: MegaMarcel
              Russian shoe brands or for example, engines for GAZelle
              falling apart before our eyes. There is such a thing.
              PS China often packages microcircuits, but
              Quote: Yngvar
              In the 97th ... ... on all "made in China" microcircuits
              hard to believe. By the way, Pentium 70 is what?
              If the clock frequency, then this was not - there were 60, 66, 75.
              1. Yngvar
                Yngvar 10 March 2018 17: 44
                0
                Do you think that we do not need our semiconductor manufacturing?
                Yes Pentium 75th. Thanks for the amendment! It was a long time ago ...
                1. region58
                  region58 10 March 2018 19: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Yngvar
                  Do you think that we do not need our semiconductor manufacturing?

                  I have never had such bad thoughts. And this applies not only to semiconductors. ... Although at one time I wanted to blow up the plant of Armenian electrolytic capacitors ... and not just me.
    2. Korax71
      Korax71 9 March 2018 07: 38
      +1
      You are not familiar with a company like garmin? navigators of their production are very in demand. and if you are hunting or fishing, then zhps collars for dogs or echo sounders for fishing. There is no experience with the operation of strikerv7. There are no complaints, and certainly not to compare it with a practitioner or a Chinese woman. Its cost is a little scary , but we don’t do at least a little something similar at all. And we have to deal with pneumatic tools for work, because it is not inferior to European in reliability, and often it will turn out to be more reliable and cheaper.
  13. Egorovich
    Egorovich 8 March 2018 18: 35
    +4
    Slop buckets, where you can wash off imperfections in the form of fe-35, the mattress has a whole carriage - Israel, Japan, England, etc. country. They will sell it from the beginning, and then they will bring their undergrowth to mind. And will they bring it !?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 8 March 2018 18: 44
      +4
      Quote: Egorovich
      wash buckets, where you can wash off imperfections in the form of fe-35, the mattress has a whole wagon - Israel, Japan, England, etc. country

      Moreover, voluntary-compulsory yes
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 8 March 2018 18: 49
        +2
        Fate cannot be deceived. angry
  14. RusskiyMos
    RusskiyMos 8 March 2018 18: 47
    +1
    A difficult plane turned out. Very sophisticated. Although interesting
  15. evil partisan
    evil partisan 8 March 2018 18: 48
    +5
    I see that this F-35 is not a plane, but directly the treasures of Madame Petukhova: it’s like nearby, but it doesn’t come into hand ... request
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 18: 53
      +5
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      this F-35 is not a plane, but straight treasures of Madame Petukhova

      But as a PR! Everyone who bought this wunder-waffen, so trudged from happiness and pride! Too expensive toy "Bring it to mind yourself!"
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 8 March 2018 20: 27
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Too expensive toy "Bring it to mind yourself!"

        Interesting, and if you finish to readiness with a file, what happens?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 20: 42
          +3
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Interesting, and if you finish to readiness with a file, what happens?

          Rasp? Do you grind your teeth? lol
          good
        2. dzvero
          dzvero 9 March 2018 08: 24
          +2
          Interesting, and if you finish to readiness with a file, what happens?

          tuned Yak-141
  16. LMN
    LMN 8 March 2018 18: 49
    +13
    This is the answer to the question: Here the United States already has f-22 and f-35, and Russia is only testing the Su-57 ...

    For Russia, armament is not a business. We build weapons, primarily for ourselves !!!!
    Unlike the United States, for which it is a business in the first place.

    Sooner or later, we’ll finish the 57th. And it will be a really working machine. For many years.
    And 22 and 35 are American, just a business.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 8 March 2018 19: 24
      +4
      Well, then f 22 none have been sold. Product for internal use recourse
    2. myrzilka
      myrzilka 8 March 2018 20: 30
      +2
      Quote: LMN
      And 22 and 35 are American, just a business

      And then they plan 6th generation letak from balsa. And, being here, the merchants will be myrrh-streaming and singing the horn for the new banknote shaker.
      1. LMN
        LMN 8 March 2018 23: 45
        +3
        And so it will be.
    3. Yngvar
      Yngvar 9 March 2018 10: 24
      0
      I agree! For ShA, all the "invisibles" are just a commercial project! Nobody is going to attack them and they know it!
      For Russia, high-quality real weapons are important! Jackals eagerly look at our wealth from all sides and will not be tempted to profit, if we give a little slack!
    4. Conserp
      Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 32
      0
      Quote: LMN
      Here the United States already has f-22 and f-35, and Russia is only testing the Su-57 ...


      The USA has, but still does not even test the F-35 - it has not yet been allowed to test.
  17. Vard
    Vard 8 March 2018 18: 49
    +4
    And why everyone worries ... Everything is in order ... The plane is on sale ... Money is dripping ... And what flies through the stump of the deck ... This is nonsense ... They are not going to fight on it ... They are for us. .. TRUST ....
    1. LMN
      LMN 8 March 2018 19: 07
      +4
      In my opinion, they just make money. And they don’t look at us ...
      While there is an opportunity to earn, they earn. And there be, as it will (
    2. LMN
      LMN 8 March 2018 19: 08
      +3
      Apparently sure that Russia will not do ...
  18. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 8 March 2018 19: 20
    0
    Quote: The_Lancet
    For reasons he called “the uniqueness of the products and sharp increase in production».

    But this is very good. And the unit price goes down. All users are happy. Why then are they constantly trying to create a gloomy picture on the site?

    We are happy for you! More F-35s are good and different! You have them for the allies to rivet and rivet! drinks
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 March 2018 21: 51
      +2
      Quote: Dzafdet
      You have them for the allies to rivet and rivet!

      The main thing is to quickly remove from the arsenal of all eagles and hornets there.
  19. KonoGon
    KonoGon 8 March 2018 19: 55
    +1
    More than sure, no one has read the original article. I grant, read and envy: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/03/06/stealt
    h-features-responsible-for-half-of-f-35-defects-l
    ockheed-program-head-states /
    1. An60
      An60 9 March 2018 14: 00
      0
      What to envy? From what place in the article?
  20. The comment was deleted.
  21. Yak28
    Yak28 8 March 2018 20: 26
    0
    You can giggle over American planes for an arbitrarily long time, but the F-35 and F-22 are mass-produced and are in service with the US Army in the amount of several hundred pieces, while in Russia there is no 5-generation aircraft in service when our Su-57 is brought to mind and at least a couple of hundred will be released in mass production, it is already out of date. It might be better to skip the 5th generation and start the 6th non-piloted aircraft. Look at the Su-57 nozzles and the F-35 and F-22 nozzles, it will immediately become clear which plane is inconspicuous , and which one will glow on radars
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 8 March 2018 20: 44
      +6
      Share information, or rather a reference, where there is infa that the F-22 is being produced ...
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 8 March 2018 21: 14
        0
        I don’t know about today, maybe they make Madeira, but the Americans made a couple of hundred.
        1. KonoGon
          KonoGon 9 March 2018 09: 41
          0
          Quote: Yak28
          I don’t know about today
          But why release it yet, is there anything more threatening? If it appears, they will resume, but so far there is no point.
      2. Conserp
        Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 33
        0
        And it would be nice to still link that the F-35 is in service.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 March 2018 21: 37
      +3
      Quote: Yak28
      but, F-35 and F-22 are mass-produced and are in service with the US Army in the amount of several hundred pieces

      Well, the 35th, but the 22nd what are they doing? In service for a long time, but something is not heard of his successes. when someone is bombed, then the 15th, 16th or 18th. Strange, don’t you?
    3. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 8 March 2018 21: 38
      +4
      Quote: Yak28
      You can giggle over American planes for an arbitrarily long time, but the F-35 and F-22 are mass-produced and are in service with the US Army in the amount of several hundred pieces, while in Russia there is no 5-generation aircraft in service when our Su-57 is brought to mind and at least a couple of hundred will be released in mass production, it is already out of date. It might be better to skip the 5th generation and start the 6th non-piloted aircraft. Look at the Su-57 nozzles and the F-35 and F-22 nozzles, it will immediately become clear which plane is inconspicuous , and which one will glow on radars

      What radars look into nozzles? They assigned the role of proctologists air? Or do they have a completely different task?
    4. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 March 2018 21: 56
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      You can giggle over American planes for an arbitrarily long time, but the F-35 and F-22 are mass-produced and are in service with the US Army in the amount of several hundred pieces.

      At the same time, the Americans themselves continue to fight on the F-15 and F-18! What is this zrada or overwhelming?
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 March 2018 20: 55
    +4
    Well, if the problems already include uneven surfaces at the joints during assembly - you can calm down and relax. smile
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 8 March 2018 21: 40
      +10
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Well, if the problems already include uneven surfaces at the joints during assembly - you can calm down and relax. smile

      Of course. You can not even bring up a problem. Do not plaster at all. What is the difference, banged him reminded or not?
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 9 March 2018 09: 19
        +3
        Actually, the deceased before the funeral, too, so to speak, remind, Provident Americans, all taken into account ... winked
        But in general, yes, gentlemen of Israel, relax and have fun. laughing
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 9 March 2018 10: 43
          0
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Actually, the deceased before the funeral, too, so to speak, remind, Provident Americans, all taken into account ... winked
          But in general, yes, gentlemen of Israel, relax and have fun. laughing

          So then the deceased. In the name of performing rituals. And how to remind a heap of burnt iron, where it is impossible to figure out, where what, and where the flyer? Only, unless from wax, before the flight make a doll, like Madame Tussauds, and if anything, please .....
          1. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 9 March 2018 11: 22
            0
            Quote: wkd dvk
            Quote: DEPHIHTO
            Actually, the deceased before the funeral, too, so to speak, remind, Provident Americans, all taken into account ... winked
            But in general, yes, gentlemen of Israel, relax and have fun. laughing

            So then the deceased. In the name of performing rituals. And how to remind a heap of burnt iron, where it is impossible to figure out, where what, and where the flyer?

            In this case, already consider a bunch of burned, corrupted iron as a rotten, decayed corpse. laughing Such deceased found in the morgue do not resemble, there is nothing hi
    2. Yngvar
      Yngvar 9 March 2018 10: 32
      +2
      Dear voyaka uh!
      I understand your feelings when they “sucked in” rusty-corrosive, afraid of moisture, with a flying away “invisible” coating of bullshit, but for that kind of money! It's a shame ... And after all who threw - "modeled sidekicks" ...
  23. Berkut24
    Berkut24 8 March 2018 21: 58
    +1
    And who is easy now? Especially responsible for such bablosy ...
  24. Michael R
    Michael R 8 March 2018 22: 43
    +2
    Dear Aron Zawi. You can compare here. How much did the 57th cost Russia? It is known that the entire project of the 35th F resulted in a minimum of $ 1,5 trillion for the United States. And at the same time, his file is constantly being finalized so that he can fly without problems. Give our aircraft designers at least $ 500 billion, they will invent a hypersonic in 5 years maximum, and stuffed no worse than the squadron and ready for the series.
    1. Sergey D_2
      Sergey D_2 8 March 2018 23: 09
      +1
      It may be so, but not without that ....
    2. MadCat
      MadCat 9 March 2018 01: 01
      0
      Quote: Mikhail R
      Dear Aron Zawi. You can compare here. How much did the 57th cost Russia? It is known that the entire project of the 35th F resulted in a minimum of $ 1,5 trillion for the United States.

      the whole project is 2600 aircraft, for 30 years maintenance, pilot training, flight simulators, and even all related equipment, so 1 trillion (and not 1,5) for the United States is not that prohibitive.
      Quote: Mikhail R
      Give our aircraft designers at least $ 500 billion, they will invent a hypersonic in 5 years maximum, and stuffed no worse than the squadron and ready for the series.

      Well, they have apparently already spent about 30 milliliters from the independent press, and he flies on old engines, on the avionics from the SU-35 and he has huge problems with stealth due to the still old power layout, similar to the same su35, so not so then everything is simple. hi
      1. Hexagon
        Hexagon 9 March 2018 04: 05
        +4
        Quote: MadCat

        Well, they have apparently already spent about 30 milliliters from the independent press, and he flies on old engines, on the avionics from the SU-35 and he has huge problems with stealth due to the still old power layout, similar to the same su35, so not so then everything is simple. hi


        And can I clarify for whom the invisible fu-35? If for the Papuans with the most technological device such as Kalash 70-80s of release

        Is the toy expensive?
        I remember here they laid out an article about how the Americans were going to use them against the Russian Federation - there such a cloud of things at the dance was concealed that any iron could have gone unnoticed. True, how it all should have been kept in the air unharmed - the article was silent.
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 9 March 2018 07: 41
          0
          Quote: Hexagon
          And can I clarify for whom the invisible fu-35? If for the Papuans with the most technological device such as Kalash 70-80s of release

          For those "Papuans" who still have not mastered the serial production of AFAR for example ....
          BUT, but many beautiful cartoons can shoot.
      2. Conserp
        Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 40
        +2
        Quote: MadCat
        he flies on old engines, on avionics from the SU-35 and he has huge problems with stealth due to the still old power layout, similar to the same su35

        Sketched with a spade so sketched.

        Thick, very thick.

        For reference: the "old engines" are not out of date for 16 years, like the same F119, and in their characteristics are similar to F135. However, they do not cost as much as 300 kg of pure gold.

        And “new” engines are a prospect. Moreover, we have already successfully developed promising ones to replace the "old" ones, but for some reason they haven’t.

        And the “Avionics from the Su-35” also for some reason does not stand on the Su-35 itself, but overtook American avionics by 20 years.

        To whom it is interesting - google how the AFM APM on GaN differs from GaAs.
  25. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 9 March 2018 04: 09
    +1
    For that kind of money in Russia they would have created a 6th generation airplane !!! That's where corruption goes off scale.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 9 March 2018 07: 48
      +1
      And what does corruption have to do with it? The average salary in Russia is $ 500 ve, in America $ 3000. We just have to work a minimum of 6 times more belay
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 9 March 2018 14: 50
        +2
        Pentagon purchase prices in the 1980s (prices in the then dollars excluding inflation):

        $ 74165 - aluminum stepladder
        $ 7622 - coffee maker
        $ 640 - plastic toilet seat
        $ 659 - ashtray

        $ 2043 - nut
        $ 387 - washer
        $ 37 - screw

        $ 2228 - adjustable wrench
        $ 748 - pliers
        $ 469 - wrench
        $ 437 - roulette
        $ 435 - hammer
        $ 285 - screwdriver
        $ 214 - flashlight

        What corruption, what are you? They just have screws and push seats are expensive. Salaries, all salaries!
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 9 March 2018 18: 14
          0
          Quote: Conserp
          Pentagon purchase prices in the 1980s (prices in the then dollars excluding inflation):

          $ 74165 - aluminum stepladder
          $ 7622 - coffee maker
          $ 640 - plastic toilet seat
          $ 659 - ashtray

          $ 2043 - nut
          $ 387 - washer
          $ 37 - screw

          $ 2228 - adjustable wrench
          $ 748 - pliers
          $ 469 - wrench
          $ 437 - roulette
          $ 435 - hammer
          $ 285 - screwdriver
          $ 214 - flashlight

          What corruption, what are you? They just have screws and push seats are expensive. Salaries, all salaries!

          These miracles of price still depend on the structure of production. In our USSR (in many respects it remains now), in the factory, those who produce something do almost everything that goes into it. There are those who are delighted with the number of workers at the Mask plant, which has 4000 people, comparing it with about the same, but Russian, at 30000. But Mask has hundreds of small firms on subcontracts, and everything is forged from us, from cases, bolts and electronics. The multi-stage supply of them allows them to be repeatedly pumped into the budget by taxes from any movement of goods from procurement operations to assembly operations. With a one-stage sale, only one VAT tax is applied, with successive fifty or fifty requisitions. Multiplying the price of the final product.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 9 March 2018 21: 05
            0
            Quote: Vkd dvk
            These miracles of price still depend on the structure of production.

            What does the structure of production have to do with completely shameless CORRUPTION when they steal billions of dollars through overpricing in SEVEN THOUSAND TIMES for kickbacks?

            A good nut is 40 kopecks.
            The Pentagon bought them at 2 thousand dollars per nut - that is, 280 thousand rubles.
            1. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 9 March 2018 23: 30
              0
              Quote: Conserp
              Quote: Vkd dvk
              These miracles of price still depend on the structure of production.

              What does the structure of production have to do with completely shameless CORRUPTION when they steal billions of dollars through overpricing in SEVEN THOUSAND TIMES for kickbacks?

              A good nut is 40 kopecks.
              The Pentagon bought them at 2 thousand dollars per nut - that is, 280 thousand rubles.

              Didn't I explain it clearly? One does not deny the other. Moreover, sophisticated management and logistics is a field for distribution. The same ..... Catching in such conditions is much more difficult. Even if you agree that law enforcement is the best.
  26. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 9 March 2018 10: 35
    0
    I think that the problems of the F-35 due to an attempt to cross the Yak-141 with "stealth technology". If the Yankees simply modified the Yak-141 to a production model and put it into production, the F-22 flies and is pretty good (for such designs like the F-117), I won’t say anything about invisibility. Or our designers, while working on the Yak-141, found out that this direction is dead end and did not tell the “Americans” about it when selling it.
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 9 March 2018 14: 16
      +1
      RD-180 is also a dead end, there is no stealth in it, which is probably why they could not repeat it in the USA at all.
  27. ikrut
    ikrut 9 March 2018 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: gridasov
    The obvious and non-obvious problems at Lockheed, like all others, indicate that the Americans are ahead of the others and have faced what others have yet to face. After all, few people understand and are able to see that everyone essentially has the same technology at the heart of those physical issues that everyone supposedly solves himself. The main issue is precisely the flight qualities that are based on the operation of the engines. Therefore, only those who understand why nothing can be squeezed out of modern engines anymore, and will seek new fundamental principles for the operation of these engines will be one step ahead of the others.
  28. gridasov
    gridasov 9 March 2018 15: 29
    +1
    Quote: gridasov
    You absolutely say everything correctly. But why do all these problems exist? Because everything is inherent in the ideology of. what and how is used initially. Therefore, I say that it is possible to invent something incredibly fantastic and supposedly promising. But this will be a private decision. Therefore, it is necessary to talk about complex fundamental discoveries and inventions. Therefore, these discoveries are complicated. Take for example
    maneuverability issues. But this is part of the technology on the basis of which we are talking about new aircraft propulsion engines. Controlling the hydro-gas-dynamic flow without changing its pressure potential is part of the process that you can get rid of this problem in the turbine. Therefore, all those problematic issues that you have indicated they are solved by changing exactly the fundamental foundations. This is equivalent to the fact that mathematicians solve particular problems of searching for patterns in irrational series of numbers, and everything is solved by one solution - this is just a transition to a function of a constant value of a number. And the same series of primes firsthand becomes a certain systemic pattern. It is on numbers in their new quality that you can build an inextricable mathematical space and already see in it all the potential of various varieties that determine this space both by the potential of possibilities and the direction of all transformation processes. We all must, or should not, and not all, understand that it is impossible to set the task of achieving new levels of development with only one invention or on the old theoretical foundations. Everything needs to be changed, but without destroying the old. and understand that high-potential physical processes need and can be solved by new mathematical and theoretical methods.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 9 March 2018 18: 23
      +1
      He mastered the scientific mutoten. Punctuation is not.
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 9 March 2018 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: gridasov
      .....

      You, apparently, had a big drink yesterday at the bar. And today, having mixed up the place and time, they gave a lecture intended for students. The classic, however, urged not to speak beautifully.
  29. Zina389
    Zina389 9 March 2018 16: 28
    0
    I think F-35 versus Iranian S-300 is what we need. The ayatollah in a dress will come out in the morning on the balcony to scratch his beard, and then suddenly bang on his head. And that’s all. So everything is relative.
    “Joni, what did it go to the second round through Antarctica?”
    - The Russians are testing the atomic engine. It seems to be jammed.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 9 March 2018 18: 25
      0
      F-35 already tried to fly to Syria. Not good.
  30. Wolka
    Wolka 9 March 2018 18: 49
    0
    why comment on the generally unsuccessful bird turned out by the Yankees ...
  31. gridasov
    gridasov 10 March 2018 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Conserp
    Quote: gridasov
    I have no strength to convince ...


    You do not have the strength to write at least something meaningful on the topic.

    Only absurd pseudo-technical resonant flows of consciousness.

    Forgot to take pills? Oh, this spring.

    Please explain to me how pseudo-technical developments and devices that fundamentally differ from modern approaches may look like. We carried out physical processes as complex, and therefore we applied a new analysis technique, which in itself is a very important point. We used fundamentally new algorithms for organizing processes in turbines, which generally changes the approaches to extracting the energy potential of a hydro-gas-dynamic flow (any), without external influence on the process, but initiated only by the kinetic flow itself. Of course, I draw conclusions too, but so far I will not say anything.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 10 March 2018 23: 12
      +1
      Please explain to me why you put spaces in front of punctuation marks. Is it possible without the "external influence on the process" in the form of taking healing antipsychotics?

      Trying to make a guru of gas dynamics with such a culture of writing is simply ridiculous.

      Well, flood is everything that has nothing to do with the F-35. Stop it.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 11 March 2018 12: 04
        +1
        A psychotype like you is quite common. You are satisfied only with what falls under your perception. And nothing else exists. You will seek out a lot of such nuances that are incomparable with the main idea and idea that is positioned. Gaps are important to you, and for you, those ideas that are an unsolvable task for key players in the aircraft building and energy industries are nonsense. There are thousands and thousands of such people who will puff a lot and talk about their significance, but they will not be able to move the matter from the spot. Therefore, rudeness and tactlessness and all else come from you. This already doesn’t hurt me. You just are not the one who needs it. In addition, decisions like ours are really difficult for amateurs and those who don’t understand what it is to work with large amounts of information, but naturally with hydro-gas dynamics and magnetic force processes. Just consider that you are bait and an occasion to communicate with others. So go on. The main thing is that the melody continues to sound. He doesn't like spaces !!!
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 11 March 2018 13: 07
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          A psychotype like you is quite common. You are satisfied only with what falls under your perception. And nothing else exists. You will seek out a lot of such nuances that are incomparable with the main idea and idea that is positioned. Gaps are important to you, and for you, those ideas that are an unsolvable task for key players in the aircraft building and energy industries are nonsense. There are thousands and thousands of such people who will puff a lot and talk about their significance, but they will not be able to move the matter from the spot. Therefore, rudeness and tactlessness and all else come from you. This already doesn’t hurt me. You just are not the one who needs it. In addition, decisions like ours are really difficult for amateurs and those who don’t understand what it is to work with large amounts of information, but naturally with hydro-gas dynamics and magnetic force processes. Just consider that you are bait and an occasion to communicate with others. So go on. The main thing is that the melody continues to sound. He doesn't like spaces !!!

          And not just him, but me too. I do not like your approach to putting nonsense into other people's heads. Go to the Qualification Commission assigning a degree and talk there. Or, instead of words, prove with formulas. It will be clearer.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 11 March 2018 18: 03
            +1
            He does not need a Qualification Commission, but a medical one.
            After several more posts, the clinical picture completely typical for schizophrenia was completely clarified.
            1. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 11 March 2018 23: 54
              +1
              Quote: Conserp
              He does not need a Qualification Commission, but a medical one.
              After several more posts, the clinical picture completely typical for schizophrenia was completely clarified.

              Perhaps this is more like paranoia.

              Paranoia
              Paranoia is a chronic psychosis that usually begins in adulthood, which is characterized by the gradual development of logically constructed monothematic systematic delusional ideas (sometimes in the beginning - overvalued ideas) ...
              Paranoia - Wikipedia