Both brigades and divisions will remain as part of the Ground Forces

Combined arms divisions and brigades will remain in the combat strength of the Ground Forces, reports RIA News a message from Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Armed Forces Oleg Salyukov

In 2012-2017, the command optimized the combat personnel of the Ground Forces, during which a number of combined-arms brigades were reorganized into divisions.

Seven combined arms divisions were formed. Divisions, as compared with combined-arms brigades, have increased strike force and fire power, are capable of solving combat missions on a wider front,

said Salukov.

He noted that "the commanders in the divisions have experience in managing large tactical units, which are necessary for the subsequent transition to the leadership of operational groups of troops."

However, combined-arms brigades continue to remain highly mobile and self-sufficient units. Therefore, both divisions and brigades will remain in the combat personnel of the Ground Forces, which will make it possible to have balanced groups of troops capable of performing various tasks

explained the commander in chief.

Comments

[Sergey D_2]

Very interesting cap for the senior warrant officer ....

[Genry]

But salabons are not asked what to wear for the military.

[vladimirZ]

In 2012-2017, the command optimized the combat strength of the SV, during which a number of combined arms brigades were reorganized into divisions. - from article

Yes, with 7 divisions, capable of “compared with combined arms brigades with increased strike force and firepower, capable of solving combat missions on a wider front,” it will be difficult to restrain the potential NATO / US aggressor, which is concentrating its forces on the western borders of Russia.
Brigades are needed to carry out some narrow local tasks, but they should not be the backbone of the Russian Army, capable of holding back potential aggressors.
We need a divisional army, and the faster the better, time does not tolerate. In addition, it is necessary to restore the cropped divisions of the mobilization reserve, filled with military equipment in the state, having the main backbone of the command staff, and filling the rest in a menacing period. Yes, those that were in Soviet times, and which were destroyed by Putin's "reform" of the Army.

[Dart2027]

Quote: vladimirZ

it will be difficult to restrain the potential aggressor of NATO / USA, concentrating their forces on the Western borders of Russia

What century are you living in? There will be no invasion in the spirit of 1941-1945. The time of mass wars wall to wall passed with the advent and spread of nuclear weapons. We will have to fight only with someone like Daesh, or if we still bring troops to the east of Ukraine.

[figter]

What century are you living in? There will be no invasion in the spirit of 1941-1945. The time of mass wars wall to wall passed with the advent and spread of nuclear weapons. We will have to fight only with someone like Daesh, or if we still bring troops to the east of Ukraine.

You explain this to the Chinese. Maybe then their army reduction will begin. Divisions are needed in the east, brigades in the west.

[Dart2027]

Quote: figter

You explain this to the Chinese. Maybe then they will begin to reduce the army

Population did not try to compare? In the event of a full-scale war with China, he will simply crush the masses and no divisions will help.

[figter]

In the event of a full-scale war, it is not the masses who gain the economy, but the economy and its ability to withstand the load for a long time, provide food, ammunition, rebuild weapons and equipment, supply new designs, etc., as well as the development and condition of the road and transport network. It is not difficult to guess who will emerge from such a war as a winner. Except for one case, where neither the self nor the people - the use of nuclear weapons on its territory. Pro crush the masses - on the state border with China of the territory suitable for conducting large-scale hostilities with the further development of the offensive in depth is not so much. Therefore, the Chinese "masses" will be forced to line up in order to begin to crush.

[Dart2027]

Quote: figter

In the event of a full-scale war, it is not the masses that win, but the economy and its ability

Any economy is based on human resources (except when it comes to countries at different levels of development), and China has not only soldiers, but also many more workers.

[Hiller]

really "everything is lost"?)))

[Hiller]

Apparently, you canceled modern combat manuals? Like the types of hostilities ... Can remember Korea, Vietnam ... are outdated? Then Egypt, Israel? Also ? But China-Vietnam, Iran with Iraq, Yugoslavia-NATO, Iraq -USA? ... Could be more careful with statements

[figter]

... it will be difficult to deter a potential NATO / US aggressor, concentrating his forces on Russia's western borders.

And what they are there so terrible concentrated? Are you talking about a battalion in the Baltic?

Yes, those that were in Soviet times, and which were destroyed by the Putin "reforming" of the Army

Without regard to politics and the “reformers,” most of these storage bases “destroyed” by the reform were stolen back in the nineties and were of no value. Their complete retooling and repair would have cost our frail economy too expensive and too heavy. What is left to pull out.

[vladimirZ]

most of these storage bases "destroyed" by the reform were stolen in the nineties and were of no value. - figter

Have you served in such a cropped division? I served. Our tank regiment, with the exception of 10 training vehicles, was mothballed from the factory, fully taped with ammunition, to which no one was allowed, excluding the days of maintenance work.
As for being dragged away, this is a question of power, its ability at the state level to ensure the safety of the strategic mobilization reserve. Everything is stolen from the stolen selling authorities, and now they are dragging everywhere and everything, from any state order, starting with kickbacks when placing the state order itself.
We are talking about how it should be to ensure the strategic defense of the state, and not about what it is now. The predominantly existing brigade structure for the formation of the Army will not ensure its proper security, even with ultra-secret nuclear missile weapons, as it did not ensure the USSR from defeat in the Cold War.

[figter]

Unfortunately, I had to serve in units and formations of constant combat readiness. So, I do not have the opportunity to be proud of the service on BHWT. But I visited a number of such bases and saw what was going on there perfectly.

[vladimirZ]

Unfortunately, I had to serve in units and formations of constant combat readiness. So, I do not have the opportunity to be proud of my service at BHVT. But - figter

BHVT is not a cropped division. Cadre Division by the example of the Sretensky Motorized Rifle Division - Chita Region.
Three motorized rifle regiments - two regiments fully armed, one of them was stationed in Nerzavod, the other was the same of the whole in Dosatui. In Sretensk itself, the division headquarters and all other military structures, but already all cropped, i.e. incomplete: motorized rifle, tank, artillery, anti-aircraft regiments, and individual battalions: engineering, communications, reconnaissance, repair, chemical, well, etc.
In all the framed units, the full staff of the main officers from platoon commanders remained only vacancies of the political leaders, and of other not so responsible officer posts. For example, in a tank company in which I served, we had three platoon commanders, I am a deputy company technician, and a company commander.
The first company of the first battalion is fully equipped with soldier crews. The remaining companies are only mechanics drivers. Other crew members were called up from the reserve during the threatened period. In a company of 10 tanks, one was training, the remaining 9 were fully mothballed.
The same staffing in other regiments of the division and individual battalions.
There were exercises, regular studies, shooting and driving classes with everyone, including the Zampotech companies, who apparently didn’t need this job, and, accordingly, with soldiers of military service.
Now, compare what a cropped division is and what is a BHVT. Feel the difference?

[figter]

Three motorized rifle regiments - two regiments fully armed, one of them was stationed in Nerzavod, the other was the same of the whole in Dosatui. In Sretensk itself, the division headquarters and all other military structures, but already all cropped, i.e. incomplete: motorized rifle, tank, artillery, anti-aircraft regiments, and individual battalions: engineering, communications, reconnaissance, repair, chemical, well, etc.

You're wrong. What you describe is a reduced-strength division. I can name the state number, but for obvious reasons I will not do that. A cropped division is when in parts and formations only an orgadro, the rest l / s is assigned. For storage of equipment and weapons of such compounds were created BHVT.

[vladimirZ]

You're wrong. What you have described is a reduced division. - figter

Well, you’ll write it to me when we all knew from the platoon commander to the division commander, and it was presented at all command meetings that we have a CROPED DIVISION, which has only two regiments of the whole composition on the threatened areas of the Chinese offensive, the rest are completely understaffed who were supposed to arrive during the day to all the posts prescribed by him.
The manned division was intended, during the threatened period, to staff up to full strength the people prescribed in advance for all vacant posts of officers and soldiers, lacking equipment, including automobiles, in order to deploy the units to full combat units and go to the border within 3 days, which the full Nerzavodskaya and Dosatuevsky regiments were supposed to hold for some period.
Recently, perhaps the language has been changed, what is the "cadre division", but in our time the middle of the 70s was the way I write. You just do not know.

[Hiller]

The orgyron was also called up from the reserve ... in my experience ... "a regiment is riding in the Ukrainian plain in one car, but we are not afraid of a gray wolf - we are a cropped regiment" In the SME shelf frame: 1. Com b-on. 2. NSh B-na. 3 commanders of MCP - 3. commander of a mortar battery -1.4 mech-water commander of a battalion - 1. That's it.

[vladimirZ]

Orgyron was also called out of stock ... - hiller

In our cadre division, it was the other way around. I wrote about this above. All the commanding personnel in the tank regiment in which I served, from the platoon platoon, technical lockers, commits, and mechanics, the drivers were all in the state for all cars, the staffs of the battalions and the regiment were fully staffed, the first tank company of the first battalion was fully equipped with crews.
Only secondary officer posts and soldiers in the crews of the remaining companies remained free: gunners, loaders and tank commanders. So, the main core in our cadre division was fully equipped.

[iouris]

Finally, we learned how to make beautiful things!

[Juborg]

Quote: Sergey D_2

Very interesting cap for the senior warrant officer ....

For more, you did not have enough mental abilities? You resemble a troll or a Ukrainian jumper.

[aszzz888]

Let's hope that everything that is not done is for the better.

[infantry76]

In terms of tactics and operational art is very true. Somewhere, mobile power is needed, and somewhere (in strategic directions), power is also needed. IMHO! I have the honor!

[KVU-NSVD]

It’s normal practice to find a balance between old and new realities ... Otherwise, the thoughtless pursuit of “world trends” and “fashion” sometimes does such harm ... that I can’t eat

[Mountain shooter]

But this is correct. There must be brigades. To solve not too large problems ...

[Juborg]

Quote: Sergey D_2

Very interesting cap for the senior warrant officer ....

For more, you did not have enough mental abilities? You resemble a troll or a Ukrainian jumper.

[Genry]

I support you in the comments.
Only, I would like to see him tied to a branch (using the "reply" button).

[nathanael]

Something General Darkit. And then the tank armies were formed. The Germans in the Second World Groped for the optimal compound-tank division. Why not take advantage of the experience of Guderian Goth and other tank generals. autonomous raids in the rear

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: Nathanael

and went into autonomous raids on the rear

And far gone? You do not confuse the initial period when the front is around you, and the VET is absent by definition. Something after 1943, I did not hear in any source about the German tank raids on the rear of the Red Army. But the horse-mechanized groups of Dovator and Belov proved themselves very well in the defense of Moscow!

[nathanael]

After 42 years, the Germans overstrained. Indeed, in the entire Wehrmacht, the fully equipped tank division was only one commanded by Model. The rest of the divisions were formed by the Germans in a truncated structure. Instead of three tank regiments, two and one at the end of the war. tank division. But even such divisions caused trouble at least during the Balaton operation. But the idea would be worth using. Moreover, the theater of war of Europe has this

[chenia]

Quote: Nathanael

. Instead of three tank regiments, two and at the end of the war and one

Three regiments in the TD Wehrmacht has never been. To the French company, there are 2 brigades in the TD (tank - 2 TP, Motorized - 2 motorized rifle (this is exactly what is translated) regiment.).
After increased the number of TD -splitting TBrg. and in TD there was 1 TP.
So. that they were conventionally called tank.

[nathanael]

But they didn’t have to go far. It was enough to seize the train node to disrupt communications and that’s all. It wasn’t for tigers or panthers. And the Junkers-Lappeter’s is generally a song. That's what you need to take from WWII experience. Thank God at least modern aviation

[Hadji Murat]

hmm .. another time, other means of observation, another connection, etc. etc....

[figter]

Quote: Nathanael

Something General Darkit. And then the tank armies were formed. The Germans in the Second World Groped for the optimal compound-tank division. Why not take advantage of the experience of Guderian Goth and other tank generals. autonomous raids in the rear

Their “tank division” in the modern sense is our motorized rifle division, and by the end of the war it could have been called a motorized rifle brigade.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

The basis of the RF NE formations are battalions or regiments? If battalions are considered military units, and not units, then they are combined into brigades. If - which has been traditionally and verified over the centuries in Russia - the military unit is a regiment, then divisions are logical and natural. But our generals want generals and ranks in brigades. In general, our general ranks are not logical - general major, general lieutenant, general colonel ... In the world there has long been a brigade general, division general, corps general, army general. Maybe we should return to the logic of the political structure of the Red Army and the Western armies? And not to be wiser with union compounds? Relying on the main military unit — a regiment (roughly speaking, about a “thousand?” Or are we going to make up brigades of 2-3 thousand l / s? Generals know better, of course, but they have more career pragmatics than logic.

[figter]

Marshal of the armored forces Katukov was promoted to Major General as a commander of a tank brigade near Moscow. Brigades existed both in tsarist and soviet times. Suvorov was also the commander of the brigade with the rank of Major General. And there are a lot of such examples. During the Second World War, the tank corps organizationally consisted not of divisions, but of brigades and in such a composition the entire war successfully fought. Therefore, the brigade is not a spirit of NATO, it’s just a well forgotten old one. We had the rank of brigadier in tsarist times, but he was quickly eliminated because of non-obscurity. Another thing is that brigades should be reduced not in the army, but corps. In wartime, army headquarters simply will not be able to cope with the management of a large number of brigades.

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: figter

brigades should be reduced not in the army, but in the corps. In wartime, the army headquarters simply will not be able to cope with the management of a large number of brigades.

I completely agree!!! The leadership of the corps will respond much faster to changes in the operational-tactical situation, and no one has yet canceled one-man management. Yes, and the corps, I think, is much more efficient to keep in reserve for the development of operational and tactical success or the elimination of a breakthrough.

[Hiller]

Brigades ... divisions .. to carry out organizational activities or not to carry out requires the military doctrine of the state. What tasks need to be addressed? Which theater? What is the predicted balance of forces and means? ... etc. etc. The division was a combat unit capable of independently solving combat missions, as well as issues of combat and rear support. Does this apply to the brigade? No. Rear issues in the division were assigned to the OBMO. Is there such a team? Intelligence matters were decided by the division’s ORB. And in the brigade? Yes, the simplest is regulation during the march? The division has a curfew company, but the brigade? Well, etc. .. questions of air defense, engineering support ... yes the same bakery and medicine ... And who organizes the planning and use of the given and supporting forces and means, and from which states ???? Here is the place to dance ...