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Project "ZZ". The Mystery of the Russian Elections Revealed: The Kremlin Will Guide Grudinin to Fight Poverty

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Putin decided to revive the Russian economy, but he has no chance. Last year, the economy grew by 1%, and the real incomes of the population declined even more. By propaganda, the economy will not be lifted, foreign experts ironically and suggest that the Kremlin will soon take non-standard steps, and it will agree with the opposition. Putin will start working with Grudinin, who will help the Kremlin fight poverty. Meanwhile, Yavlinsky will contribute to attracting investment from abroad. And the people will heal richly!




Vladimir Putin decided to “revive the economy”, which he told about in his message to the Federal Assembly on the eve of the elections, Tomoy Ogawa writes in the newspaper Nihon Keijai (Japan; the source of translation is "InoSMI").

The goal of Putin, the author believes, is to increase popular turnout at the elections.

In his speech, Putin expressed his intention to revitalize the economy: expand investment in infrastructure and take other measures.

However, as Tomoyo Ogawa points out, last year the growth of the Russian economy was only one percent, and the real disposable incomes of the population declined.

The emphasis in Putin’s speech on domestic policy consisted of theses on increasing revenues, reducing the number of poor, and so on. Putin believes that the growth of a stalled economy will be provided with technological innovations.

8 candidates will participate in the presidential election. According to the latest VTsIOM, Putin’s rating is 69,5%. Other candidates are far behind.

At the same time, the opposition is a real hindrance to Putin in his re-election, and therefore he is apparently ready to take non-standard steps and come to an agreement with the leaders of the opposition. Even the fight against poverty in impoverished Russia will be ... the opposition, namely Grudinin. This is written by very serious uncles: experts from the brain trust "Stratfor".

Putin needs an opposition, analysts say.

No, Stratfor has no doubt that Vladimir Putin will win the election and receive the “fourth term of office”. This, they believe, will happen "almost certainly." But at the same time, Putin "will face key challenges." Especially it will be hampered by demographic and economic problems. And they will force him to plan long-term reforms.

The difficulties that Russia will face in the new Putin's term will lead to the fact that "the opposition factions will become important". The Kremlin will no longer be able to ignore their views. And the government will form "new relations with some opposition groups." The most influential of them will be an outlet for "relieving tension" from the "dissatisfied population."

After nearly two decades of power, the current head of state enjoys considerable support among the people, analysts continue. Most public opinion polls "give" him at least from 40 to 60 percent of the vote.

However, today it is already obvious: not everything goes according to the plan of the Kremlin. There is social tension, poverty is growing, the government in Moscow is faced with "a multitude of problems whose solutions cannot be found in shrill patriotic balancing act or propaganda."

Oppositional views on politics support more and more people, and the influence of these views is growing stronger. And Putin after the “last coronation” will have no choice but to solve both “problems at home” and “problems abroad”. And they will probably have to be solved together with the opposition.

Further, the experts dwell on the main problems of Russia, which Putin and the opposition "groups" will solve. Briefly retell these problems.

Moscow faced a number of demographic changes: from a decline in the number of ethnic Russian populations to an increase in the number of Muslims. This has already led to increased social tensions.

Generation change is the demographic factor number two in modern Russia. Almost a third of Russians were born after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the generation that has reached full legal age today does not know a single national leader except Putin. The new generation lives in a relatively prosperous and stable Russia. Young people have online access to information that goes beyond state media. And the majority of Russian young people (both teenagers and those who are about 20 years old) want “changes on the political scene,” experts are sure. Increasingly, these young people are protesting. This distinguishes the situation from previous protests, in which people went "much older."

Another major issue that the Kremlin will have to decide is a stagnant economy. In 2014 — 2017 Russia plunged into recession due to low oil prices, Western sanctions and cuts in industrial production, the authors of the material report. What was the reaction of the government? Moscow has raised nationalist sentiment in the country, annexing the Crimea peninsula to the Russian Federation. In addition, Moscow "was supposed to send soldiers to the east of Ukraine in the 2014 year." Then, in 2015, a “military intervention in Syria” was arranged. The last two military campaigns "did not produce any tangible results." And in Russia there is a growing disapproval of these “foreign adventures”. Instead of slogans about “victories,” people want to boost the economy.

Impoverishment, low pensions and salaries are the main problems for many voters. Poverty is growing at a fast pace, faster than from the 1998 year: in the last three years, about 5 of millions of Russians have fallen into the poverty line. Half of the country's citizens know firsthand about salary cuts or payment delays. Pensioners are worried about the fact that the Kremlin “launched a hand” to the Pension Fund.

The approval ratings of the Russian leadership began to fall. Some opposition groups urge the electorate to "stay at home", that is, not to vote. Yes, in the Kremlin they are not at all afraid that someone else can win, not Putin. However, a low turnout would cast a shadow over his presidency and undermine the legitimacy of his power in the eyes of citizens, the elite and the government itself.

And the Kremlin launched a campaign to “revitalize” election battles. It was announced, “Stratfor” writes, about rock concerts at key polling stations, about holding fairs, distributing cash and prizes (“cash and prizes”). All this is "typical Kremlin instruments." In addition, unlike in previous years, when the same people “decorated” the campaign and the bulletins, the authorities shook the political landscape by launching “many influential candidates” onto the electoral stage. But it is precisely this tactic that has ensured the growth of political discourse that in the future will change the management of the Kremlin by “opposition factions”. Creating a constructive opposition is how analysts see the next political stage in Russia.

The significance of the Russian opposition lies in whether it acts within the system, or outside it, experts say.

The first part of the opposition consists of parliamentary parties: the Communists, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia and Fair Russia. These "oppositionists" rarely dispute the status quo of the pro-Putin United Russia, indicates Stratfor.

But the non-systemic opposition usually shows its antagonism towards Putin clearly. These opponents of Putin are working on the periphery of Russian politics. In recent years, anti-corruption agitator Alexei Navalny is proud of his place in this second group. Approximately the same place is occupied today by the liberal party "Yabloko".

The opposition’s ideological debates have risen to a level that the Kremlin can no longer ignore. So, the Kremlin is trying to develop a strategy of "liberation from pressure" caused by widespread public discontent. Experts believe that the Kremlin will turn both systemic and non-systemic opposition into the so-called "constructive" opposition: these opponents "will work with the Kremlin" and even form a policy for the Russians.

“Stratfor” considers Pavel Grudinina to be one of the main figures who challenged Putin.



Grudinin managed to reach the widest circles of the population. He manages the "collective" enterprise and at the same time highly values ​​"Soviet ideals and capitalist business ethics." Gudinin pays people high wages, thus appreciating the results of their workers.

There were suggestions that the Kremlin allegedly previously "approved Grudinin's candidacy" in order to encourage the residents of the Moscow region to come to a vote. However, in recent weeks, the Kremlin seems to have changed its attitude towards Grudinin, especially after a survey by Vesti radio showed his great support among the people. Of course, this survey cannot be considered representative. However, this is still a cause for Kremlin concern. And in recent weeks Grudinin has become the object of a campaign “supported by the state,” analysts say. The campaign against Grudinin "revealed his foreign assets, although he refused them when he registered as a candidate." And his face grew dull.

According to Stratfor, the Kremlin would like to "co-opt both Grudinin and Yavlinsky" in order to "turn them into a constructive opposition." There are already reports that the Kremlin is supposedly thinking up a “dialogue” with both. Grudinin and Yavlinsky would help “shape” the future policy of Moscow.

How exactly?

Yavlinsky spoke earlier about changing Moscow’s approach to Ukraine and the need to soften relations with the West in order to attract investors and international capital to the country.

Grudinin could help the Kremlin in developing reforms in the pension sphere, as well as in the fight against poverty.

* * *


The findings are very interesting. It seems that in the brain trust it is believed that the Kremlin is not able either to strengthen the economy or to overcome the growth of poverty. Where does such confidence from Stratfor come from? Experts are probably skeptical about Putin's economy, which for almost two decades has demonstrated a high dependence on mineral prices, as well as the inability to live self-sufficiently, with the result that the country's economy is constantly threatened with stagnation: the West has enough sanctions to be included. In addition, the long-standing thesis of Western analysts is the lack of structural reforms in Russia, which repels foreign investors.

Hence the conclusion that can be considered both serious and ironic. There seems to be no one in the entire Kremlin who could raise the national economy and smooth out social tensions. And that's why the Kremlin will invite Grudinin and Yavlinsky to the role of specialists. Two of these comrades will eliminate poverty in Russia, attract foreign investment from abroad, adjust the pension system and increase the growth rate of the Russian economy. As a result, the electorate will be satisfied, the opposition will be driven into a stall, and Putin will continue to rule happy people.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 7 March 2018 09: 26
    +20
    Project "ZZ". The Mystery of the Russian Elections Revealed: The Kremlin Will Guide Grudinin to Fight Poverty
    and with THESE who will fight interestingly ... "Stratfor" not in the know?
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 7 March 2018 10: 13
      +69
      Unprofessional Western analytics on the economic situation in Russia.
      Nothing will help Putin with the existing oligarchic model of the "development" of liberal capitalism, since it is geared towards the interests of the comprador oligarchy, which has turned Russia into a feeder for earning money and taking him "beloved" abroad. The people and the country for them are only a source of personal enrichment.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 7 March 2018 10: 36
        +42
        Debating on TV is a mockery. Whoever debates there has no chance of supporting the people. Each tweet about his, but everything is against the current government. winked
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 7 March 2018 10: 57
          +41
          Oleg, this debate reminds me of a childhood film about the elusive - The Crown of the Russian Empire. What a spit and a fight in a cafe between a bald and shaggy candidates for the throne, that this debate is one and the same. And by and large - this is a spit in the face of the voter.
        2. Geterosigma
          Geterosigma 7 March 2018 17: 00
          +4
          not a debate but a showdown between party representatives is obtained.
        3. Petr petrov
          Petr petrov 9 March 2018 10: 02
          +4
          Now think about why this circus arranged this !!!!
          Say only a slave from the galley and he has no applicants ... !!!!!!!
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 7 March 2018 11: 13
        +15
        The easiest way is to give gloomy forecasts and comments, so that somehow on occasion, exclaim with a clever look, "But I said!"
        It is even easier to comment on the very message of GDP to the Federal Assembly, where the president voiced problems. It is only necessary to repeat and spit.
        "I will erect a monument to myself ..."
        wassat
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 7 March 2018 12: 24
          +52
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          The easiest way is to give gloomy forecasts and comments.

          Let's try without predictions. Imagine say a revolver. So you pulled the trigger. Look - the details of the mechanism are set in motion! What will be the result of this movement? The result will be a shot. And why? But because the revolver is so arranged.
          Do you understand? It can be improved, even modified, other materials can be used, its manufacture can be transferred to another plant ... but as a result, the revolver will either shoot or break. None of our actions to improve the revolver will lead to the fact that as a result we get from it say a flower.
          If we need flowers, we must put down the revolver and go to bed to dig up. What is the use of the fact that the president "outlined problems"? The socio-economic model built in the country cannot ensure sane growth under any circumstances, because it is SO arranged!
          1. 210ox
            210ox 7 March 2018 13: 52
            +22
            Yes, that’s how it is. Yes, and neither Grudinin, nor even Yavlinsky will be allowed to work. They are only needed for one thing-to show that there is no alternative to GDP. And then everything will go on rails outside. More than half of the people who come to the polls will applaud and then shake noodles with ears. And the country will continue to stagnate.
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The easiest way is to give gloomy forecasts and comments.

            Let's try without predictions. Imagine say a revolver. So you pulled the trigger. Look - the details of the mechanism are set in motion! What will be the result of this movement? The result will be a shot. And why? But because the revolver is so arranged.
            Do you understand? It can be improved, even modified, other materials can be used, its manufacture can be transferred to another plant ... but as a result, the revolver will either shoot or break. None of our actions to improve the revolver will lead to the fact that as a result we get from it say a flower.
            If we need flowers, we must put down the revolver and go to bed to dig up. What is the use of the fact that the president "outlined problems"? The socio-economic model built in the country cannot ensure sane growth under any circumstances, because it is SO arranged!
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 7 March 2018 14: 31
              +2
              Is this a fashion - do you want to post comments? Both that and the other character are already working - they are mastering budgets to the best of their mind and imagination, and they were hired for that. To replace the mechanism built back in the Soviet Union (when the Soviet Union decided to bring down), a couple of clowns aren’t enough ...
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 7 March 2018 18: 40
                +5
                Quote: Mikhail3
                ... Both the one and the other character are already working - they are mastering budgets to the best of their mind and imagination, and they were hired for that. ...

                I understand that you are talking about Grudinin and Yavlinsky? I must say - an unfounded statement. Here you went too far with the analogies. Your analogy with a revolver is adequate, because it is based on facts and obvious trends. But, as for these "two characters", they obviously hastened with estimates - they took one and, by analogy, evaluated the other. There has already been such a case in history, remember the story of a sealed car (and there were two) - fifty people took and, by analogy with them, evaluated one. This analogy still holds. Why? Because an ideological (informational) war was always supposed here, as well as mass casualties of this war.
                1. VeneraNina200
                  VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 14: 01
                  0
                  Salam, you are clearly poisoned by a liberal propaganda sivuha. The diagnosis is severe and irreversible. I want to note that it is treated by a forced method
                  1. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 8 March 2018 20: 22
                    +4
                    Quote: VeneraNina200
                    Salam, you are clearly poisoned by a liberal propaganda sivuha. The diagnosis is severe and irreversible. I want to note that it is treated by a forced method

                    Have you tried reading the texts carefully? This is not a sexual novel for you, where you can skip the description of nature, looking for interesting places ... In what place did you see the liberal or why did you decide that I am a supporter of Yavlinsky? Do you have to bite this or buy an ABC book .... laughing
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            2. VeneraNina200
              VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 13: 49
              0
              And Yavlinsky what will be the recommendations and instructions of the Belderbery Club to implement
              the empire is now overwhelmed with the remnants of luxury
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 7 March 2018 19: 11
            +13
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Do you understand?

            Dear Editor!
            Maybe better about the reactor?
            About your favorite moon tractor?
            As much as possible - a year in a row ....
            .................................................
            So your Yavlinsky is a clear genius,
            That Grudinin is a red democrat ....
            wassat
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 8 March 2018 13: 14
              +1
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              So your Yavlinsky is a clear genius,
              That Grudinin is a red democrat ....

              Where, where is my muck ...
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 13: 27
                +2
                Quote: Mikhail3
                Where, where is my muck.

                Plyusanul .... For a sense of humor ..... wassat
        2. naidas
          naidas 7 March 2018 16: 37
          +8
          Well, you sir bent, easier? And how to name a person constantly stepping on a rake (the social poverty of Russians), setting the task to decide not to step on a rake (fight poverty) and attack again.
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 7 March 2018 11: 25
        +32
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The people and the country for them only a source of personal enrichment.
        Wherever it went, if every million stolen from a country would bring benefits to ten ... But, they are not only enriched, if they eat a billion from the people, so they will cause more harm than one billion more. Dollar pigs at the feeder trough.
      4. Galina Artamonova
        Galina Artamonova 7 March 2018 17: 17
        +4
        Where did you memorize cliches? Not on the Nemtsov bridge, by chance?
      5. Natalia777
        Natalia777 7 March 2018 19: 53
        +7
        The article should have been called: "Vinaigrette with a big hangover." You are right that with the oligarchic capitalist model of development, when the capitalists suck out the juices and export capital abroad, it is very difficult to raise the standard of living of the common people and develop the economy. Vladimir Putin and his team have done a lot for Russia. It is enough to recall which Putin took Russia from Yeltsin - with debts to the IMF, with seven-man power in power, with a completely destroyed economy, with the war in Chechnya, with a destroyed army and military-industrial complex, with unprofitable fabulous contracts in favor of the United States and bandits on the streets. People collected bottles and scrap metal and traded scrub at flea markets; they didn’t receive a salary for half a year. The West was already rubbing its hands and was preparing to divide Russia into dozens of souvenir states. Now Russia has risen and can protect itself. A hybrid war is going on against Russia on all fronts, and oil prices have fallen to crush Russia. And in this situation, Russia still gives a GDP growth of 1%. Putin has a program on how to take Russia to a new level. He perfectly understands that the oligarchs need to be made the real patriots of Russia, and unpleasant surprises await those who disagree. Only V.V. Putin and his team are able to win the war with the West and boost the economy and improve the lives of Russians. Horses do not change at the crossing.
        1. TechnoID
          TechnoID 8 March 2018 03: 21
          +5
          Quote: Natalia777
          ... that oligarchs need to be made real Russian patriots, and unpleasant surprises await those who disagree. Only Vladimir Putin and his team are able to win ...

          It is difficult to make service dogs out of jackals and hyenas, and there are some doubts about the team ...
        2. helmi8
          helmi8 8 March 2018 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: Natalia777
          Only V.V. Putin and his team are able to win the war with the West and boost the economy and improve the lives of Russians.

          If the government headed by Medvedev remains in this team, if the Central Bank continues to obey the Fed, if you do not return to the people the right to recall deputies as having not justified trust - all these are dreams, dreams, dreams ... If everything is more or less in foreign policy well, then in the inside you need another Putin.
        3. Amurskiy
          Amurskiy 8 March 2018 14: 15
          +3
          no capitalist, let alone oligarchic system, is interested in improving the lives of both Russians and people in other countries. Their goals and objectives, profit.
          Karl Marx in the book Capital
          Quote:
          "Provide capital with 10% profit, and the capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would venture to go, at least under fear of the gallows "
        4. dauria
          dauria 9 March 2018 00: 55
          +2
          He perfectly understands that oligarchs need to be made real Russian patriots, and unpleasant surprises await those who disagree


          I never understood one thing - how you can be an oligarch without being in power ? After all, those who have power will rip off at the moment how sticky. And rip off according to law. Therefore, I can not imagine Putin, the commander of the oligarchs. On the contrary - easily and naturally. They hired a manager, just in case, putting on a strict collar so that he wouldn’t get furious .. For example, dirt and their people in critical places.
      6. Victor N
        Victor N 8 March 2018 13: 08
        +1
        Model Specialist - Have you tried yourself in entrepreneurship?
        If successful - you would be dubbed the "oligarch." The lack of successful entrepreneurs is the reason for the country's slow pace of development. And the coup and losers are left to spy on the authorities.
        1. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 15: 46
          0
          Victor, the reason for the low pace of development of the country does not depend on entrepreneurs. And from the structure of the state of its branches of power of the Gosudarstvennikov and business executives,
          it is practically impossible to break through in front of such a state. The strictest vertical of power and control is less necessary to wring and do with your hands and head
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    1. SK70
      SK70 7 March 2018 10: 07
      +21
      Straw underlay.
      Both Putin and Grudinin are candidates from the power system.
      Only from different groups.
      St. Petersburg want to leave Putin, they have everything on the ointment.
      But the security forces promote Grudinin, who are well aware that another 6 years of such a policy and the reality of the social explosion will increase significantly.
      And to calm Putin’s electorate, they’ll have to merge dirty. And now he could leave as a connector of the Crimea and a hero of Syria.
      1. KAV
        KAV 7 March 2018 12: 34
        +34
        Quote: SK70
        But the security forces promote Grudinin, who are well aware that another 6 years of such a policy and the reality of the social explosion will increase significantly.

        Come on, come on! What kind of security officials are these promoting Grudinin ?! Are you, of an hour, not from parallel reality?
        1. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 17: 32
          +1
          But Hinshtein is now an adviser to the Russian Guard on TV Time will show Grudinin debunked
          completely and bills and gold in Swiss Banks and the most interesting found cheated
          equity holders of land shares Already five grandmothers advanced in land law
          Claims rolled out as much as a billion rubles; the latifundists grandmother Grudinin has already sewed the case
          urgently consider that the grandmother’s case doesn’t slaughter A weak Russian people to demand what was stolen from the people in the 90s, the more there is a precedent
          And the Liberal servants of the drugged propaganda sivuha screaming REMOVE and SHARE the people need to return the loot and not fool everyone with terrible
          revolutions soviet pensioner

          .
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 7 March 2018 14: 13
        +24
        Quote: SK70
        But the security forces promote Grudinin, who are well aware that another 6 years of such a policy and the reality of the social explosion will increase significantly.
        Grudinin is promoted by a coalition of left-wing patriotic forces, which has finally overcome differences and began to act as a united front with the Communist Party. It is a pity that they were not supported by the Mironov justice, which showed their utter worthlessness and political impotence. And the very same Baburin, like the “communist" -balabol Suraykin, could also join the ranks of the Coalition.
        1. SK70
          SK70 7 March 2018 17: 15
          +3
          Quote: Greenwood
          Grudinin is promoted by a coalition of left-wing patriotic forces,

          officially yes.
      3. marline
        marline 7 March 2018 14: 24
        +8
        Quote: SK70
        But the security forces promote Grudinin, who are well aware that another 6 years of such a policy and the reality of the social explosion will increase significantly.

        Is this such a fresh joke?
        Quote: SK70
        And to calm Putin’s electorate, they’ll have to merge dirty.

        The Orange Revolution in Russia is the sweet dreams of the State Department and sympathizers.
        1. SK70
          SK70 7 March 2018 17: 19
          +9
          Quote: merlin
          The Orange Revolution in Russia - the sweet dreams of the State Department and sympathizers

          this is what the siloviki want to avoid.
          believe in fairy tales that after 17 years one domestic policy, Putin will change it by 180 degrees.
          why does he need this? he has a deadline.
          1. marline
            marline 9 March 2018 16: 13
            0
            Quote: SK70
            this is what the siloviki want to avoid.

            That's right, and they are behind Putin.
      4. Severe
        Severe 7 March 2018 19: 19
        +2
        A rare nonsense you write my friend!
        1. SK70
          SK70 7 March 2018 20: 31
          0
          Quote: Harsh
          A rare nonsense you write my friend!

          What is the nonsense? Or do you think siloviki short-sighted people?
      5. Andrey Panov
        Andrey Panov 8 March 2018 07: 58
        +3
        You better merge with the left yourself, do not bring the people to sin! Not a single candidate said where the money would be taken from retirement, medicine, education. A housekeeper to raise at whose expense are going? What exactly to develop, what products to produce? Only yak. They have 5 years before the next election - let them prove that they are worth something. The Whites did not succeed.
        1. SK70
          SK70 8 March 2018 10: 42
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Panov
          and one candidate did not say where the money would be taken from retirement, medicine, education.

          You either lie or don’t know.
          Yavlinsky directly answered this question to a couple of idiots leading on the second channel: "According to the Ministry of Finance, misplaced expenditures of ministries and departments are 600-800 billion rubles"
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 10: 53
            +7
            Quote: SK70
            Yavlinsky directly answered this question ...: "... misplaced expenditures of ministries and departments 600-800 billion rubles"

            So what? What, he said at the same time, how he intends to defeat this "phenomenon"?
            No, I didn’t. Because he himself does not know yes
            So it is you
            Quote: SK70
            ... either lying or don’t know

            Rather, the first. IMHO.
            1. SK70
              SK70 8 March 2018 11: 11
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              So what? What, he said at the same time, how he intends to defeat this "phenomenon"?

              I answered a specific question
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              So what? What, he said at the same time, how he intends to defeat this "phenomenon"?

              The law is enough for this now.
              PS I am not a supporter of Yavlinsky.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 11: 16
                +6
                Quote: SK70
                I answered a specific question

                Rjunimagu under the table laughing
                You answered in the style of “a radio station on a tank” when the question was, actually “about lamps and transistors”. Is it easy to set out, or to grind for a kindergarten? wink
                Quote: SK70
                The law is enough for this now

                The law, perhaps, is enough ... only it is difficult to implement it.
                And not Yavlinsky will be the one who "wins" this.
                So your example, IMHO, is not at the box office.
                1. SK70
                  SK70 8 March 2018 11: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You answered in the style of “a radio station on a tank” when the question was, actually “about lamps and transistors”. Is it easy to set out, or to grind for a kindergarten?

                  For the military, including the reserve I will explain the second time.
                  There is enough money in the country.
                  This is a tale for suckers about "no money."
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And not Yavlinsky will be the one who "wins" this.

                  But I didn’t say that.
                  We need to change the system, not Putin. Putin is just a brand.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 11: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: SK70
                    For the military, including the stock ...

                    ... that is not for me though? I was deregistered like five years ago laughing
                    Quote: SK70
                    There is enough money in the country

                    It's hard to argue with that. But it’s extremely difficult to “take” them without causing, um ... troubles.
                    Quote: SK70
                    Need to change the system

                    Not necessary. Zadolbali already "change system." System engineers, damn it negative
                    1. SK70
                      SK70 8 March 2018 11: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Not necessary. Zadolbali already "change system." System engineers, damn it

                      What do you propose based on the real situation.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 11: 45
                        +8
                        Quote: SK70
                        What do you suggest based on the real situation

                        Live. Work, and do not stir up the water.
                        I personally do so, if that.
                  2. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 11: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: SK70
                    There is enough money in the country.
                    This is a tale for suckers about "no money."

                    Feels Zyuganov hardening - "Take and share!"
                    1. VeneraNina200
                      VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 14: 31
                      +1
                      To liberal propagandists a note In 1917 there was such a slogan - ROB
                      PLAINED IN 90 the slogan of the LIBERALS THE PEOPLE'S RAPE and here we are close
                      more than ever, to the BACKGROUND RETURN THE PLAINED PEOPLE - that’s how the LIBERAL DUMP
          2. VeneraNina200
            VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 18: 17
            0
            You’ll ask Grisha for a ticket to the Belderber Club pass, about the Sakhalin oil section
            products for which we should have remained, he will find a noose on your neck
            pensioner
        2. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 14: 46
          0
          Well, here's another popper like that Hoper. FROM WHERE AND FROM HERE - FROM THERE we know where
    2. basmach
      basmach 7 March 2018 10: 10
      +18
      Wow, what a connoisseur of geeks. But they say that they do not judge by themselves. Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Or you know him so close (Breast) that you undertake to judge. So tell us these secrets of the Court of Madrid.
      1. passing
        passing 7 March 2018 10: 52
        +18
        You know him so close (Breast) that you undertake to judge.

        Why, know something! Enough Solovyov and Kisilev.
        They are not alive. Putin is good and if everything is badly to blame the government and the point
        And to think ... yes what for.
        1. Mechanic
          Mechanic 7 March 2018 12: 30
          +7
          If everything is bad for you, then the government will not help
        2. KAV
          KAV 7 March 2018 12: 52
          +8
          And to think ... yes what for.

          To begin with, it would not be bad for you to start thinking yourself, at least, about the rules for punctuation ...
          Given your literacy, estimated, at the moment, solely on the style of writing, I dare to conclude that you are near. Therefore, it turns out that you have to learn to think ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 15: 25
            +14
            Quote: KAV
            Given your literacy, currently rated only in writing style

            How convenient, is it not - clinging to an error in punctuation marks? wink And can you seriously draw conclusions about the remoteness of a person by an incorrectly set comma? belay
            Remember the obvious truth - creatures with higher education are also full. wink And a missed or not put comma does not make me or you a good or bad person.
            According to the “good tsar” and “bad boyars”, is there anything to say, or did the mantras of Solovyov and Kiselyov penetrate your head and do not let you think on your own? laughing
            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 15: 33
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              or did the mantras of Solovyov and Kiselyov penetrate your head and do not let you think on your own?

              There is a vidos, how kissel-tv changed his mind wink https://youtu.be/NHVsjfzl39Y
          2. passing
            passing 8 March 2018 10: 29
            +2
            read carefully and read at least taxes
            for 6 hundred parts, thanks to this government and Putin, people will pay 20 tons of tax by the year 30 how much electricity will cost
            SIGNS OF PUNISHMENT DO NOT MAKE AT ALL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE SOMETHING TO EXPLAIN IN JUSTIFICATION
            1. VeneraNina200
              VeneraNina200 13 March 2018 20: 48
              0
              Punctuation rules - THIS IS NOT FOR YOU
          3. VeneraNina200
            VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 14: 59
            +1
            The rules for punctuation from 1917 to 1922 so as not to be forgotten well
            performed by COMRADE MAUSER
        3. Stasweb
          Stasweb 7 March 2018 13: 29
          +3
          Are you not from Lyokha Navalny’s team for an hour?
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 7 March 2018 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: basmach
        So tell us these secrets of the Court of Madrid.

        Read if interested: https://oleglurie-new.livejournal.com/343655.html
        or https://vz.ru/opinions/2018/3/4/910995.html or http://oppps.ru/partijnoe-zoloto-tovarishha-grudi
        nina-kandidata-v-prezidenty-rossii.html
      3. KAV
        KAV 7 March 2018 12: 39
        +10
        Quote: basmach
        Or you know him so close (Breast) that you undertake to judge.

        Wow Wow! Take it easy! And maybe you know Grudinin close enough? And with it, keep the economy and the loot? Although no! Are you probably his financial auditor? Or an accountant? Or are you his adviser? No. Brother??? Matchmaker? Relative? Friend? Who are you to stand up for defense? Before you say something, make sure that the same does not work to apply to you. Also me, the protector of the "lamb of God" ...
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 7 March 2018 15: 19
          +5
          They usually forget about this rule, violently watering Putin and power. And when the same argument arrives in response, a bewildered face occurs - "but for what?"
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 15: 28
          +18
          Quote: KAV
          Do you know Grudinin close enough?

          No, he doesn’t know how I do the same. But I clearly know that none of the presidential candidates built a kindergarten, a school and a children's park at their own expense. And none of the presidential candidates lives in the same house as ordinary hard workers. hi
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 15: 39
            +9
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            none of the presidential candidates built at own expense kindergarten, school and children's park

            It's true. And even your beloved Grudinin did not.

            Keywords highlighted in redso that it’s more clear what it’s about.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 15: 54
              +24
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Grudinin did not.

              Kisa, argue with you - time to lose! But I'll try.laughing All this was built by the state farm named after Lenin - 44% of the shares of Grudinin. We consider - 2.5 mld. rubles is a kindergarten, 5 billion. rub. school is worth. 500 million rubles children's park. As a result, the state farm spent 8 billion. rub. to social objects. 44% yourself calculate from this amount?
              Or do you, as a supporter of Nabiulina, think that this money should have been invested in the US Treasury? wink
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 16: 15
                +10
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Kisa, argue with you - time to lose

                Osia, you are illiterate to astonishment ... I will try to correct you slightly:
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Grudinin owns 44% of the shares. We consider - 2.5 mld. rubles is a kindergarten, 5 billion. rub. school is worth. 500 million rubles children's park. As a result, the state farm spent 8 billion. rub. to social objects. 44% yourself calculate from this amount?

                Sumptuously laughing
                A bit of educational program: the presence of even 44 percent of the shares does not make them in any way, the shares, the owner of the owner not a ruble of the money that the company spends on social programs.
                So your
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                ... built at his own expense ...

                there are "soft-boiled boots."
                Own your pet earned just 157 lemons in 6 years (EMNIP). You believe him, don't you? wink
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 17: 01
                  +12
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Osia, you are illiterate to astonishment ...

                  I'm Kisa not Osya, and you know it well! You were before Golovan Jack Manulom Cat, and your name is not in your profile. Therefore, I call you in the old fashioned Kisoy - I do not like reincarnations. wink
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  the presence of even 44 percent of the shares does not make them, shares, the owner of the owner of a ruble from the money that the company spends on social programs.

                  44% of the shares make it the owner of 44% of the assets of a rather profitable enterprise, and make it the main voice when deciding on the expenditure of state farm funds. Is this not a waste of your money? belay
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  earned a total of (!) 157 lemons in 6 years

                  You imagine yourself a financial genius, and think like a freshman with correspondence Faculty of Economics! laughing
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 17: 06
                    +6
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I'm Kisa not Osya

                    This is a classic. "Kisa and Osia were here." Ilf and Petrov yes
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Is this not a waste of your money?

                    In no way request
                    Stay better now, swim far away otherwise wink
                    PS: Why, by the way, did you get the idea that the kindergarten and other pop music - precisely with money from "state farm funds"?
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 19: 02
                      +9
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Did you take that kindergarten and other pop music exactly for money from "state farm funds"?

                      According to Grudinin and farm employees. But if he told a lie, it would be an awesome trump card for his opponents, since the source of funds for the construction is easy to verify. And believe me. if already now a bucket of fakes and lies is being poured on him, then such a trump card would be used by the authorities.
                      Here is a simple logic. hi
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 7 March 2018 19: 28
                        +5
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        According to Grudinin and farm employees.

                        Igor, hello!
                        Frankly - I do not believe in the repainted "red billionaire." Genk Zyuganich bought corny ...
                        "State farm to them. Lenin ”, the general director of which is presidential candidate in the March 2018 elections, Pavel Grudinin, was convicted of a knowingly unprofitable transaction related to the sale of land. The price of land was understated 37 times, according to a decision of the Arbitration Court of the Moscow Region.

                        The court granted the claim against Pavel Grudinin from the shareholders of CJSC State Farm named after Lenin ”and decided to return to the ownership of the state farm two land plots with a total value of more than 1 billion rubles.

                        https://politpuzzle.ru/92779-obmanutye-grudininym
                        -aktsionery-vyigrali-sud-i-dokazali-nezakonnost-e
                        go-zemelnyh-mahinatsij /? utm_source = politobzor.net
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 20: 14
                        +9
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        According to Grudinin and farm employees

                        The gentleman believes in the word (c).
                        In vain, my friend, in vain request
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        source of funds for construction is easy to check

                        Take it wink
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        if he told a lie ... then such a trump card the authorities would use

                        What for? The candidate is still "on the hook" at the Central Election Commission about open foreign accounts ...
                        Okay, I understand you.
                        Go on, ahem ... believe and trust.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 20: 16
                        +12
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Igor, hello!

                        Hi Ilyich! drinks
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Frankly - I do not believe in the repainted "red billionaire"

                        Nevertheless, the majority of farm workers pray for him.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The court granted the claim against Pavel Grudinin from the shareholders of CJSC State Farm named after Lenin ”and decided to return to the ownership of the state farm two land plots with a total value of more than 1 billion rubles.

                        You know what's the funniest thing about this court? That events that took place in the 90s were considered. Previously, what did no one remember about violations? And does anyone have the right to recall this, if Chubais has “effective manager” from Putin? This is despite the fact that even the Americans recognized the presence of CIA advisers from CIA. request
                        And yet - no matter how you personally feel about Grudinin, take a closer look - he is "drowned". They don’t touch any of the candidates, Sobchak looks better in “our” media, and they really dig under Grudinin. Even the fact of it already makes one think about the reasons.
                  2. Umka1367
                    Umka1367 8 March 2018 20: 27
                    +2
                    Show me at least one agricultural enterprise, except for the so-called state farm Lenin, which brings huge profits, without subsidies from the state
          2. Natalia777
            Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 07
            +1
            strange tales ... and in addition to the apartment I want to tell you about dozens of hidden accounts and gold reserves of Grudinn in Switzerland and real estate in NATO countries and bigamy and employees of the state farm cheated by looted real estate investors ... you also need to know and remember ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 20: 43
              +7
              Quote: Natalia777
              and in addition to the apartment I want to talk about dozens of hidden accounts and gold reserves of Grudinn in Switzerland and real estate in NATO countries

              The CEC did not provide a single fact.
              Quote: Natalia777
              bigamy

              I am also married twice. And not a saint at all .... repeat
              Quote: Natalia777
              defrauded robbery holders of state farm workers.

              Dissatisfied are everywhere, but these have been silent for too long. You know. most farm employees respect him. But if you ask how the workers of the VAZ treat the director of the plant, their ears will fade.
              1. Mechanic
                Mechanic 8 March 2018 03: 52
                +2
                How do you know that he is respected or loved, the hired bots have been read. They are afraid of him. He is a master
                1. SK70
                  SK70 8 March 2018 10: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  How do you know that he is respected or loved, the hired bots have been read. They are afraid of him. He is a master

                  Are you talking about Anderson?
            2. VeneraNina200
              VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 18: 31
              0
              Natalia do not strain your mighty intellect Sasha Hinstein already told everything, read in the comments
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 March 2018 15: 55
          +10
          Who are you to stand up for defense?
          Similarly. All supporters of the current president are his relatives?
        4. tornado
          tornado 7 March 2018 17: 24
          +3
          Basmach is right. Presumption of innocence. If you write "geek" - prove it. But it is not necessary to prove the opposite. It is the default.
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    3. kotvov
      kotvov 7 March 2018 19: 27
      +10
      and why did Grudinin offend you so much? showed the essence of power, which eats the country. do you really respect the Chubais-Kudrins, who are Putin's economic blocs?
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  3. Loess
    Loess 7 March 2018 09: 34
    +15
    Grudinin for agriculture - to feed the people, Yavlinsky for the economy - to attract investments, Zhirinovsky in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - let everyone go nuts, and Ksyusha to distract attention instead of the "talking head") laughing
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 7 March 2018 10: 13
      +1
      and where is Stratfor?
      1. Fornit
        Fornit 7 March 2018 16: 40
        +3
        "Hussars! Be silent! ..." (C)
    2. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 10: 44
      +19
      Quote: Less
      Grudinin for agriculture - to feed the people, Yavlinsky for the economy - to attract investments, Zhirinovsky in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - let everyone go nuts, and Ksyusha to distract attention instead of the "talking head")

      Where's Putin? show cartoons? Do not offer foreign policy, there is a full paragraph.
      1. Loess
        Loess 7 March 2018 10: 49
        +15
        Quote: Anti-Corr.
        Where's Putin?

        On 18 of March, the people will decide where Putin is. And I suppose that the decision of the people will not please you.
        1. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 11: 12
          +22
          Quote: Less
          On 18 of March, the people will decide where Putin is. And I suppose that the decision of the people will not please you.

          For more than 20 years I’m not happy with the fact that people do not decide anything. And the current bacchanalia is very reminiscent of the mass suicide of zombie sectarians, your will, but why draw other people into this event. request
          1. Loess
            Loess 7 March 2018 11: 28
            +4
            Quote: Anti-Corr.
            And the current bacchanalia is very reminiscent of the mass suicide of zombie sectarians, your will, but why bring other people into this event.

            I don’t understand now. Am I calling you to a sect? or call for suicide? And what does "other people" mean? I never gave advice to anyone and did not campaign for anyone. So do not ascribe to me the merit of others. stop
            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 11: 34
              +13
              Quote: Less
              I don’t understand now. Am I calling you to a sect? or call for suicide? And what does "other people" mean?

              I see that the "professional patriots" are not only with the humor of Byad, but also with allegories fool Read carefully written, maybe a thread will come.
              1. Loess
                Loess 7 March 2018 11: 46
                +1
                Quote: Anti-Corr.
                I see that the "professional patriots" are not only with the humor of Byad, but also with allegories

                Another lover of hanging tags? There will be something on the topic - please contact me, and I will not have time to engage in verbiage.
              2. Mestny
                Mestny 7 March 2018 15: 22
                +6
                "Professional patriots" are good if only because they are patriots.
                This is significantly better than professional traitors and destroyers.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 7 March 2018 15: 57
                  +12
                  professional traitors
                  More often than not, professional traitors are professional patriots.
                2. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 7 March 2018 19: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Mestny
                  "Professional patriots" are good if only because they are patriots.
                  "Professional patriot" - this term is used by those who have not yet "resorted to" patriotism to derogate their opponent. However, such a phenomenon can take place in life and, one should distinguish between a patriot and a “professional patriot,” based on a well-known statement:
                  patriotism is the last refuge of villains
                  . It is important to understand that this statement is not about patriotism, but about villains. And why is this not obvious? Probably because for one and a half dozen years we were still able to drive a negative attitude towards this concept into the subconscious, and even for a little less than ten years, when (having realized) using the stupid methods to form this quality among the population, we added negativity.
                3. kotvov
                  kotvov 7 March 2018 19: 29
                  +5
                  Do you like it when they swear by their mother that patriots and at the same time support families and estates abroad?
                  1. Mechanic
                    Mechanic 8 March 2018 04: 00
                    +1
                    Apparently Zyuganov unexpectedly invited Grudinin to participate in the elections. We didn’t have time to clean and tails
          2. Natalia777
            Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 12
            +5
            eh! .. you would have to return the 90s dashing with the help of sternum and the company of other partners ... but alas .. it will break off like all the last 18 years ...
            1. VeneraNina200
              VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 19: 06
              +1
              Natasha about how it was enough for you, the dashing 90s to return this period did not end to this day, it continues. To reform it, extraordinary measures are required
              Dr. Grozny with Malyuta Skuratov, Peter the first with Ramadanovsky, And Stalin with Lavrenty Beria for liberals and democrats it is scary For the people and the state it
              To be or not to be About repression camps and other crap
              PENSIONER KOLYMCHANIN
            2. sergei_55
              sergei_55 8 March 2018 21: 56
              0
              They would not just return the 90s. And resettle somewhere in a closed area. Separated from the country. So that the country does not suffer from them.
            3. Litexa
              Litexa 10 March 2018 18: 06
              0
              So now Putin has done worse than the 90s. Now banduyki crusts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, courts and deputies are covered. State roofing. Well done St. Petersburg Gopnik.
          3. Andrey Panov
            Andrey Panov 8 March 2018 08: 07
            0
            Do you consider yourself people?
        2. ZHIGAN
          ZHIGAN 7 March 2018 13: 44
          +14
          The people have not decided anything for a long time stophe only pays pays pays sad
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 13: 47
            +15
            Quote: GIGAN
            The people have not decided anything for a long time

            Right Something like this since ancient Greece yes
          2. Mechanic
            Mechanic 7 March 2018 13: 48
            +5
            for sure in your USA
          3. Evgeny dementev
            Evgeny dementev 7 March 2018 18: 50
            0
            Quote: GIGAN
            The people have not decided anything for a long time stophe only pays pays pays sad

            I agree!
            I’ll just add that this is not a privilege of Russia, this is exactly what happens in any country in the world!
          4. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 7 March 2018 19: 15
            +2
            Quote: GIGAN
            The people have not decided anything for a long time; he only pays pays pays

            Well, enlighten us, bastards, how elections are organized in the citadel of democracy and morality ..... crying
            And then in the last presidential election it was trite boring .... laughing
    3. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 08
      +3
      and the country will turn into ruin ... with strawberry sauce from sternum
      1. vladafer
        vladafer 7 March 2018 23: 20
        +6
        You are not tired of carrying nonsense? Anything sane write weakly?
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 March 2018 09: 36
    +35
    And what has the Medvedev government been doing all these years ?! Deliciously ate, slept sweetly ?!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 7 March 2018 10: 30
      +18
      He was engaged in modernization, innovation, nanotechnology, investment, the digital economy and other nishtyak. lol
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      2. passing
        passing 7 March 2018 10: 55
        +13
        He was engaged in modernization, innovation, nanotechnology, investment, the digital economy and other nishtyak.

        In general, there was no time to deal with trifles, improving the life of the population
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 March 2018 12: 28
          +16
          Quote: passing
          improving the life of the population
          For these things, "there is no money! You stay there!"
          1. Russia
            Russia 7 March 2018 14: 43
            +19
            And if your hands grow from no place, then go to business and this is he, smart guy, told the teachers. belay
    2. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 17
      +3
      the government for the most part pretended to be asleep, and quietly built armats, Sarmatians, daggers and other toys ... in the meantime, ended the war in Chechnya, liberated South Ossetia, captured Crimea, liberated Syria ..... and so on and so forth like 100 pages in small print ...
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 7 March 2018 20: 27
        +4
        Natalia777 .... and further, What ?!
        1. cats
          cats 8 March 2018 02: 33
          +4
          Nothing interesting for you .. Slowly get on our feet, return respect, under the moans
          pessimists, finally we will cleanse the country from evil in the form of bulk and ksyushady, we will send Volfovich to retirement for the uselessness of clowns, maybe Gennady will be ashamed of the pseudo-communist and he will also cease to frown gloomily on TV ...
          A lot of what’s next, it will become increasingly difficult for you to pick out all the time ..
          1. SK70
            SK70 8 March 2018 10: 50
            +3
            Quote: Kotovsky
            Nothing interesting for you .. Slowly get on our feet, return respect, under the moans
            pessimists, finally we will cleanse the country from evil in the form of bulk and ksyushady, we will send Volfovich to retirement for the uselessness of clowns, maybe Gennady will be ashamed of the pseudo-communist and he will also cease to frown gloomily on TV ...
            A lot of what’s next, it will become increasingly difficult for you to pick out all the time ..

      2. Jack_jr
        Jack_jr 8 March 2018 13: 18
        +1
        Yes Yes. And the people kept walking, joking, did not produce anything and did not pay taxes. Putin and Co. did everything. And about the increase in the number of poor and, at the same time, super rich, on which sheet of 100 is written?
  5. Simon
    Simon 7 March 2018 09: 49
    +1
    Beautifully written on paper, this time is at hand - let's see the veracity of this writing. yes
  6. flicker
    flicker 7 March 2018 09: 49
    +8
    Grudinin will be sent to grow strawberries in Arizona.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 7 March 2018 19: 32
      +4
      Grudinin will be sent to grow strawberries in Arizona. He raised tariffs for you with prices? Or current defective managers? I am surprised at people, memory, like a fish, and exclamations, like elephants.
      1. cats
        cats 8 March 2018 02: 34
        +4
        Did he lower the rates for you?
    2. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 18
      +2
      Great joke ... ahahaha
  7. Captain45
    Captain45 7 March 2018 09: 52
    +6
    And that's why the Kremlin will invite Grudinin and Yavlinsky to the role of specialists. Two of these comrades will eliminate poverty in Russia, attract foreign investments from abroad, establish a pension system and increase the growth rate of the Russian economy.
    Chur me, chur! Save and save from such a shchasya! stop Well, I never want to see either one or the other, because when I look at these figures, a phrase from the famous movie comes to mind immediately: "What a disgusting mug!" laughing
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 7 March 2018 10: 11
      +29
      Captain, your ability to turn any of your statements into an insult to the opposite side makes you think of some kind of deformation of your personality. Is everything all right in your life? Do not get sick? Family, friends - is everything all right?
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 7 March 2018 10: 23
        +10
        Quote: Galleon
        Captain, your ability to turn any of your statements into an insult to the opposite side makes you think of some kind of deformation of your personality. Is everything all right in your life? Do not get sick? Family, friends - is everything all right?

        What did you see the insult? I expressed my opinion regarding the persons mentioned for the role of saviors of the Fatherland. After all, the incumbent President expressed much more insults in the comments, and I personally did not touch these citizens in any way. So the deformation must be sought from those who broadcast here about bald dwarfs, etc. speaks nastiness. This has already bothered me at VO, so I will poison all the crawlers and their candidates, I have free time. But in my life it’s very good, I have a northern long-term pension, I work part-time, I have a house, a family, children, and all this appeared after 2004. So it’s a sin to be offended by the current government.
        1. AA17
          AA17 7 March 2018 11: 43
          +26
          Dear Captain, 45. I understand you well: "..And in my life it’s very good, ...." A good house, a decent pension, children have a high-paying job, grandchildren study at prestigious educational institutions. What else does a person need to meet old age ?! Life is a success. You are a successful person. And what is more (officially) 20 million poor in Russia - is this their problem ?! THEY JUST DIDN'T APPLY TO THE MARKET ?! But these are our citizens, these are Russians. You don't give a damn about them ?! I understand that you do not need changes, otherwise they will worsen your life. And what about others - yes x ... on them. If only it would not drip over you.
          P.S. "... The most important wealth of the country is the people. Only the people can build factories and plants, grow crops and feed the country, protect the country in case of aggression. Funds must be invested in saving people and saving not in dollars, but in the strength of the people. Here then we really will be strong and independent. And do not care about all the dollars, pounds and yuan including ... "(c).
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 7 March 2018 12: 11
            +6
            Quote: AA17
            Nice house, decent retirement,

            So no one gave it to me and did not find it on the road. All by himself, with his head and hands. As they said in 90's - under the lying stone, “Amareto” does not flow. And about 20 millions, look at how and why this level of Rosstat considers - according to the minimum wage, benefits for the unemployed on the exchange, social pensions for those who have not worked in life, and so on. That's how many it was not necessary to be in different cities, well, I didn’t see that, with the exception of churches, they stood with outstretched hands, rummaged through trash cans, sold cigarettes individually in the crossings as in 90's. Then yes, there was tin.
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 7 March 2018 12: 09
          +22
          Quote: Captain45
          What did you see the insult?

          So you ask what I saw an insult, and then say that
          Quote: Captain45
          I will poison all the creepers and their candidates, I have free time
          .
          Maybe I'm wrong in something? But I did not notice about the "bald dwarfs", who said that? I’ll tell you about myself - my position on this election has been uncertain for a long time, until I began to observe slander and insults towards a certain candidate from those who support the current state of affairs. That’s nothing in essence, but only slander and insults, i.e. personal hostility or a given corporate ethic, which, alas, is convenient for some in our time to replace conscience.
          Of course, if you are offended, I’m not a judge to you, I’m not a judge at all to you. Elections will be held, articles on a given topic will run out, we will continue to whip on a historical field and discuss military-technical promises (there are less news on the site than news promises - well, the information policy is request ) But I am sorry that the supporters of the authorities here have no evidence of their innocence. The ugly faces of opponents are not evidence.
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 March 2018 16: 09
          +12
          I have a northern long-term pension, I earn a little bit, a house, a family, children, and all this appeared after 2004.
          I had a beloved woman, then a son was born, and all this after 1985, should I, by analogy, thank Gorbachev?
          After all, the incumbent President expressed in the comments much more insults,
          What insults? These are the facts. How many factories were destroyed, schools, hospitals closed? And let's compare March 2018 with March 1988?
          1. bk316
            bk316 7 March 2018 17: 09
            +4
            And let's compare March 2018 with March 1988?

            Why not since 1913?
            What is the logic?
            Compare with 1999.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 7 March 2018 17: 45
              +4
              What is the logic?
              I took the best years of the country, to which the country under Putin did not even come close .. And about 1999, you should not have been the head of government then, that is, you were responsible for the situation in the country.
            2. kotvov
              kotvov 7 March 2018 19: 35
              +1
              Why not since 1913?
              What is the logic? ,, and you take the data 2000 and compare with 2017. I say right away, be surprised.
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 8 March 2018 01: 41
                +1
                Quote: kotvov
                Why not since 1913?
                What is the logic? ,, and you take the data 2000 and compare with 2017. I say right away, be surprised.

                In each city there is an interesting institution that records marriage, the birth and death of a person. There is an institution that has been summarizing this information for many years, which allows us to give estimates on the dynamics and trends of the indigenous population. There are methods for estimating the population by the consumption of bread, for example, there are others. Ask yourself - how many people are currently left in the Russian Federation, assuming that the official data, let's say, are not accurate? If you try to find the answer, then I say right away - be surprised this is not the word that will be applicable here.
        4. Natalia777
          Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 22
          +1
          Captain45, I support you +1000!
    2. basmach
      basmach 7 March 2018 10: 13
      +13
      And when you look at the GDP that arises, a feeling of deep satisfaction and enduring euphoria with an admixture of loyal feelings.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 7 March 2018 11: 27
        +6
        If you ask me this
        Quote: basmach
        And when you look at the GDP that arises,

        then absolutely nothing with
        Quote: basmach
        feeling of deep satisfaction
        You need at 40 years ago in the era of A. B. Pugacheva, when there was a political figure L. I. Brezhnev, with
        Quote: basmach
        enduring euphoria mixed with loyal feelings.
        This is to the Orthodox prosecutor Poklonskaya. But once again I repeat - I have a feeling of hostility when I see how, using Internet anonymity, they sprinkle mud at the head of state in which they themselves live and use the benefits and services of this state. I do not like such nits acting out of the sack. I have more respect for Ksyusha Sobchak, who openly calls for a change of power, but at the same time does not stoop to personal insults. Did I respond to your comment? If, yes, then do not bother. hi
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 13: 16
          +22
          A lot of people in VO including I would like to meet with VV Putin in order to tell him EVERYTHING we think in person. With asking him not about the dog. But you have to shake the air here. With you.
          1. marline
            marline 7 March 2018 14: 36
            +5
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            A lot of people in VO including I would like to meet with VV Putin in order to tell him EVERYTHING we think in person. With asking him not about the dog. But you have to shake the air here. With you.

            Anecdote in the topic:
            There are two Bandera:
            - I swear Muscovites for the Crimea on Red Square do not care !!!
            “And sho, did they do nothing to you?”
            - And I quietly, without taking off my pants!

            Are you also going to speak out without opening your mouth?
            1. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 14: 45
              +15
              Live on camera. Only the “right” and “right” people are asked questions to the whole country. This is the problem. A person knows how to work for the public. Neither will I let you go there. You're not Oliver Stone.
              1. marline
                marline 7 March 2018 14: 48
                +3
                I understood!!!
                You are former Prime Minister of Australia Tony Abbott.
                You still regret that the darling didn’t even have enough to send Putin?
                1. Vladivostok1969
                  Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 14: 57
                  +7
                  Getting in the face is not a tricky business. But here is another matter. Yes, and Anglo-Saxon is not the example.
                  1. marline
                    marline 7 March 2018 15: 14
                    +4
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    But here is another matter.

                    Same. When no one knows you, it’s very easy to say: “Wow, I would show him.” A real bench press comes out.
                    It is easy to be brave on a soft comfortable sofa.
                    1. Vladivostok1969
                      Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 15: 17
                      +9
                      You are also very desperate here .. And what do you show me? Well?
                      1. marline
                        marline 7 March 2018 15: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        You are also very desperate here ..

                        What are you? I'm not going to say anything to anyone.
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        And what do you show me? Well?

                        Nevermind? or another indecent gesture to show?
        2. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 20: 57
          0
          Yes, Ksenia will lead you into a brighter future, look at house two and go further under
          sensitive guidance of the supervision of the Anglo-Saxons for processing into manure
      2. Natalia777
        Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 29
        +3
        I will answer your question honestly. Vladimir Putin inspires respect for the ability to politely poke the Yankees face in their shit. Vladimir Putin inspires respect for Our Crimea, South Ossetia ours, Abkhazia ours, Syria ours, Donbass ours ... Vladimir Putin inspires respect for Russia's first place in the world in collecting and selling grain for 3 consecutive years, for the first place in the sale of oil, for the second place in the sale of weapons and the restoration of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, for the 6th place in gold and foreign exchange reserves, because the Saudi King himself came to Putin .. because Putin loves Russia like the people of Russia .
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    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 7 March 2018 10: 29
      +12
      And what thoughts do you have about Putin and his friends? lol
      1. Russia
        Russia 7 March 2018 14: 51
        +10
        Putin without friends causes me positive thoughts.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 March 2018 15: 06
          +12
          As the saying goes, "tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are" and "the king makes the retinue." That’s all you need to know about Putin.
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        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 15: 32
          +10
          Quote: Rusland
          Putin without friends causes me positive thoughts.

          Putin with friends served only in the kit! laughing Or do you want him to make childhood friends? belay
          1. Russia
            Russia 7 March 2018 15: 58
            +11
            Does this tell you life experience, or do you talk between girls, show yourself, and look at people?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 March 2018 16: 20
              +6
              When you have nothing to say, do we start to get personal? This is so for an adult.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 17: 07
              +6
              Quote: Rusland
              It says life experience in you

              He is darling! They always pull their own people into power, and the tale of a bad government is nothing more than a delusion. This is one team playing bad and good cops in public.
              Quote: Rusland
              or so between the girls talk

              Excuse me please - I thought I was talking with a man. repeat Happy holiday to you! love
          2. Natalia777
            Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 43
            +2
            One would think that Putin without friends made the Sarmatians, Almaty, Daggers ......, took the Crimea, South Ossetia and Syria. It’s funny to listen to you.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 20: 54
              +8
              Quote: Natalia777
              You would think that Putin without friends made Sarmaty, Almaty, Dagger

              What Putin’s friends did all this? belay These are all Soviet developments, check. And Putin’s friends are Sechin, Rotenberg, Medvedev and others like them.
              Quote: Natalia777
              podniki.

              But Natalya's name-calling is not good. Let's write it on the lunar cycle. wink
              1. cats
                cats 8 March 2018 02: 42
                +5
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                These are all Soviet developments,

                Exactly. laughing Misha with a speck, put it all in the pantry,
                and Uncle Volodya got it .. tongue
                I agree that the developments were left to us by an excellent, low bow to the union, but ...
                Guys, do not bend .. hi
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 March 2018 08: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Kotovsky
                  Misha with a speck, put it all in the pantry,

                  Well, he didn’t put a Misha with a speck, not one KB smelled. You will take an interest in the roots of these developments, and make sure. hi
            2. VeneraNina200
              VeneraNina200 9 March 2018 14: 15
              +1
              Natasha why did you decide that Putin did this with friends, not one of them is a defense
              I was not involved in the wrong level of intelligence. I will tell you a terrible secret - these people are not public, it was always in all countries
        4. genakster
          genakster 7 March 2018 16: 32
          +1
          We don’t give our own !!!
      2. Natalia777
        Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 41
        +3
        Putin is admired, especially by the way he can lower the United States from heaven to earth. Yankees comments on Putin's statement about Russia's new weapons brought a lot of positive emotions. Allegations of the swamp associates and Svidomo that Putin’s fairy tales were about arms amused even more. So the advice for the Yankees to wear diapers at night when they listen to terrible tales from Putin suggests itself.
    4. V. Salama
      V. Salama 7 March 2018 19: 35
      +3
      Quote: Captain45
      ... Well, I never want to see either one or the other, because when I look at these figures, a phrase from the famous movie comes up in my memory: “What a disgusting mug!”

      You can evaluate people by deeds, even by words. One may be horrified by the appearance, but your associations speak of an inadequate perception of reality. And if you think that at the same time you are not insulting anyone, then you also have problems with decency, not to say tougher with respect to a military pensioner.
      PS ah Captain - Captain, here it is, the casket just opens. This is stated as follows: "there is no crime that could not be justified by the interests of the family."
    5. cats
      cats 8 March 2018 02: 37
      +3
      laughing Yablinsky always seemed to me a maniac ..
      I would not want to be with him in a dark room .. wassat
  8. Chichikov
    Chichikov 7 March 2018 10: 05
    +9
    I don’t know where, who and how far Grudinin will “send”, but after the speech of the GDP, I know where the money went, of which there wasn’t enough anywhere — the armored door with secret locks is inserted, you can sleep more calmly.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 7 March 2018 10: 26
      +7
      Quote: Chichikov
      but after the speech of the GDP, I know where the money went, of which somewhere, there was not enough
      Oh scream! lol Those. before his speech, you were generally not aware of the development of the defense industry.
      Quote: Chichikov
      an armored door with secret locks is inserted, you can sleep more calmly.
      And before that they were shaking, they could not fall asleep, all NATO omnipotent seemed everywhere!
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 7 March 2018 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: Greenwood
        Oh scream! Those. before his speech, you were generally not aware of the development of the defense industry.
        Well, not everyone is so advanced that they know everything along with GDP!
        Quote: Greenwood
        And before that they were shaking, they could not fall asleep, all NATO omnipotent seemed everywhere!
        What is the pre-election opium of Grudinin, advanced for the people?
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 13: 19
          +12
          Well, much cheaper than the presidential.
      2. Natalia777
        Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 51
        +3
        They guessed they were doing something. Sarmat has long been shown trial launches, but without exact specifications. . But the fact that the rocket speed reaches 10 sound speeds and reaches the United States in minutes and that the enemy will not be able to detect and shoot such a missile 100% - this did not know. They did not know about the new laser weapon = Dagger, they did not know about the submarine — the drone of an atomic weapon carrier that moves at a huge speed several times faster than the speed of the fastest ship. Therefore, Putin surprised everyone - even the Russians.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 15: 05
          0
          If you are a lady. Let's celebrate the holiday. I am ready to congratulate you and present a bouquet of flowers. But politics is not your business. If you do not agree, I am ready to argue and be punished love
  9. Galleon
    Galleon 7 March 2018 10: 08
    +30
    Some kind of "fairy tale about a white bull" ...
    The Kremlin is unable to either strengthen the economy or defeat rising poverty

    - Yes, the Kremlin is not going to either strengthen the economy or conquer poverty! Moreover: - all his actions in the economy are directed to the opposite effect! For 18 years (and before that - all his previous life), a person relied on his friends, not on specialists. So that everything is always under his control. And then suddenly (suddenly !!!) he will take the opposition and fall in love with it, and will call together to lead the country towards a brighter future!
    "Not serious about serious." Why retell someone else's stupidity?
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      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 7 March 2018 14: 05
        +12
        Horror, this is what Channel One does to people.
        1. Russia
          Russia 7 March 2018 14: 55
          +14
          And the second and NTV, and TVC.
      2. genakster
        genakster 7 March 2018 16: 39
        +1
        Yes, yes, I saw it myself, accounts of 10,12 pieces and gold, 5-6 kilograms of gold no less, I saw it myself.
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        1. Sergey Pavlov
          Sergey Pavlov 7 March 2018 23: 42
          +1
          no way. no need to do this, a waste of time ...
        2. Mechanic
          Mechanic 8 March 2018 03: 40
          +2
          stubborn is you, a believer in the strawberry savior of Russia, hang your ears further
    2. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 52
      +2
      Galleon, Change nickname. “Guyun” is more suitable for you.
  10. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 7 March 2018 10: 08
    +11
    Quote: Less
    Grudinin for agriculture - to feed the people, Yavlinsky for the economy - to attract investments, Zhirinovsky in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - let everyone go nuts, and Ksyusha to distract attention instead of the "talking head") laughing

    Grudinin will feed, yeah ... Before that they said that Tkachev would feed, he is in the topic of feeding, but so far he is feeding relatives and himself, probably ...
    A bitten one can attract an investment a wagon and a small cart ... if it promises the West a collapse of the defense, they will give how much they ask for it and only that!
    Zhirik, after taking over the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs, will receive a ban from the Foreign Ministries of the whole world, no one will communicate with inadequate!
    Sobchak cannot even be a talking head; her mouth lives separately from the brain!
    Unless replace Baburin Dimon ... And all, unfortunately!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 7 March 2018 10: 24
      +16
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Grudinin will feed, yeah ... Before that they said that Tkachev would feed, he is in the topic of feeding, but so far he is feeding relatives and himself, probably ...
      What is wrong with Grudinin? Arguments please.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 13: 31
        +16
        Zhirinovsky at yesterday’s debate admitted that P.N.Grudinin’s strawberries are good and that he (Zhirinovsky) has been coming to collect it for several years. So the product is of high quality for Grudinin. And not only strawberries.
        1. Mechanic
          Mechanic 7 March 2018 13: 51
          +6
          Not just strawberries. But the land of the state farm is not bad. Expensive. In Komsom, I would try to sell for the liard
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 7 March 2018 14: 04
            +16
            Yeah, if everything is so simple, then why was his state farm left alone near Moscow? There were many state farms under the USSR. The rest for some reason did not seize the unique opportunity and went broke, sold out, etc. etc.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 14: 17
              +9
              Quote: Greenwood
              why was his state farm left alone near Moscow?

              This is not a state farm. This is Sovkhoz CJSC, feel the difference wink
              Quote: Greenwood
              The rest ... went broke, sold out, etc. etc.

              That's about "etc. etc." - in more detail, if you can. Some live well to this day, however, without disguising themselves as “state farms” and not doing “strawberries” and other nonsense.
              1. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 15: 02
                +11
                Well, can you tell me about non-stupid things? And who, where and how does he live?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 15: 15
                  +9
                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  ... how is life?

                  With income from the rental of land (more precisely, real estate on this land built)?
                  Pts live a lot of people like that, you probably won’t believe it. And Houdini among them yes
                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  ... where ...

                  Yes, in the same Palestinians as the ZOO. Lennon ...
                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  ... who ...

                  To google ...
                  1. Vladivostok1969
                    Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 15: 23
                    +7
                    Well, thank you. An exhaustive answer. There are no more questions.
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 7 March 2018 16: 18
                      +7
                      There are no more questions
                      And do not touch it, so as not to get dirty. It is a local troll. For the new year there was a colonel, maybe a marshal. I don’t know who I sold, but we’re not sinking.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 16: 22
                        +9
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        It is a local troll

                        Well, Gardamir request
                        The "local troll" is you, for example.
                        And I’m just a nurse of the forest, well, or a pike ... so that crucians do not doze off, yeah laughing
                        Quote: Anecdote
                        Saint bernard. Lives in the Alps. Searches for dead climbers.
                        That lives.
              2. businessv
                businessv 7 March 2018 18: 05
                +4
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                This is not a state farm. This is Sovkhoz CJSC, feel the difference

                Well, what's the difference that we should feel? The Soviet economy was governed by the board of the state farm and the closed joint-stock company is also governed by the board. So what the hell is the difference, dear?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 20: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: businessv
                  Soviet economy was governed by the board of the state farm, and CJSC is also governed by the board.

                  Right And Lake Baikal looks like a cucumber, og yes
                  Quote: businessv
                  ... what the hell is the difference ...

                  One (censorship), another teaser ...
                  The state farm is a state enterprise, by definition.
                  ZAO "State Farm named after Lennon" - a private shop.
                  If you don’t even understand this, then you ... in the garden, in short. It is possible in the nursery wink
                  By the way, calling ZOO a “state farm” is a rather non-trivial, ahem ... marketing move, and something tells me that it was not Grudinin himself (sweet and simple ... terrifyingly) who came up with this.
                  The only question is who invented it for him ... and why what
            2. Russia
              Russia 7 March 2018 14: 59
              +13
              Quote: Greenwood
              Yeah, if everything is so simple, then why was his state farm left alone near Moscow? There were many state farms under the USSR. The rest for some reason did not seize the unique opportunity and went broke, sold out, etc. etc.

              There, in the constituent documents, some letters are in front of the state farm, here is a hint to you.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 7 March 2018 15: 07
                +10
                Quote: Rusland
                There, in the constituent documents, some letters stand in front of the state farm
                OK? In the 90s, coveted letters appeared in front of all enterprises, but for some reason this did not save everyone.
                1. Russia
                  Russia 7 March 2018 15: 21
                  +14
                  [quote = Greenwood] [quote = Rusland] There are some letters in front of the state farm in the constituent documents [/ quote] Ok? In the 90s, coveted letters appeared in front of all enterprises, but for some reason it didn’t save everyone. [/ Quote So call a spade a spade, don’t take history into it, put those missing letters in that commit and everything will be read a little differently , nothing personal hi
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 7 March 2018 16: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: Rusland
                    So call a spade a spade
                    What things should I call by their proper names?
                    Quote: Rusland
                    no need to lead into history
                    Why not?
      2. Natalia777
        Natalia777 7 March 2018 20: 56
        +2
        Grudinin has a full set of vile qualities. Bigamy is the norm for him. The official legal wife for Grudinin is a business partner. And Grudinin lives with another - a young common-law wife, with 32-year-old Ksenia Kutyukhina for 6 years and Ksenia gave birth to Grudinina 2 children. Grudinin The main qualities of his nature are greed and venality. It was his nature that formed the basis of his financial success, when Grudinin, without a twinge of conscience, was crap under himself for everything that he could and robbed the workers and holders of the State Farm. That is why Grudinin became a millionaire and has current accounts, gold reserves and real estate in Europe, including in NATO countries. Grudinin is not even going to close his accounts abroad and sell his property in order to run for President of the Russian Federation. Grudinin is NOT HUMAN. Humanity, kindness, justice, decency for Grudinin is stupidity. Help the relatives of their young common-law wife who live in poverty in a decaying rotten hostel !? - the bastard Grudinin is incapable of this.
        https://life.ru/t/%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BB%
        D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/1
        093145 / rodnia_vtorogho_sorta_oligharkh_ghrudinin_
        brosil_siemiu_zhieny_v_pliesnievoi_kvartirie? &
        ; source = push
        1. vladafer
          vladafer 7 March 2018 23: 41
          +4
          Once again I will write to you: "Stop talking nonsense!"
    2. Loess
      Loess 7 March 2018 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Grudinin will feed, yeah ...

      Quote: Hurricane70
      Bitten can

      Quote: Hurricane70
      Zhirik after entry

      Quote: Hurricane70
      Sobchak, even a talking head can not be

      That's all that you said, I expressed with just one smiley at the end of the sentence)))
  11. mavrus
    mavrus 7 March 2018 10: 21
    +21
    Quote: Less
    Grudinin for agriculture - to feed the people, Yavlinsky for the economy - to attract investments, Zhirinovsky in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - let everyone go nuts, and Ksyusha to distract attention instead of the "talking head") laughing

    Well, Yavlinsky was already at the economy, thanks! The second time to be scrapped to a thread in "500 days" there are no dupes. Ksyusha and Zhirik already found their calling, let them go and continue in the same spirit, the main thing is to let them not show them on TV anymore. Well, Grudinin’s already spent at least half a budget on Mochilovo, and the laughter that not only Russian, but also American is at the same time. casein glue, along with strawberry soap ... Well, how can you put a person like that after the election, even if Swiss banks, in horror of the "deed," instantly laid out all "his banking secrets" ...
    1. Loess
      Loess 7 March 2018 10: 40
      +8
      Quote: mavrus
      Even “from the iron” they tell us that Grudinin drinks the blood of still unborn babies, and casein glue, along with strawberry soap, is made from WWII veterans ...

      I don’t know what and from whom Grudinin drinks from irons, but a couple of his speeches were enough for me to lose interest in him.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 7 March 2018 11: 17
        +10
        Quote: Less
        but I had a couple of his speeches
        Well, Putin generally only reads a piece of paper. And nothing, people hawala.
      2. genakster
        genakster 7 March 2018 16: 53
        0
        Explain which of the performances puzzled you so much?
        1. Loess
          Loess 7 March 2018 19: 21
          +4
          Quote: genakster
          Which of the performances

          Joint performance with Zyuganov 8, if not mistaken, in January and Rostov.
      3. V. Salama
        V. Salama 7 March 2018 19: 58
        +4
        Quote: Less

        I don’t know what and from whom Grudinin drinks from irons, but a couple of his speeches were enough for me to lose interest in him.

        Yes, on any channel you listen - d ... to - a fool, and even a crook in addition, cannot answer a single question, especially about foreign accounts.
        Grudinin answered all questions a hundred times already, find the Neyromir TV channel - everything is there without cuts and inserts, unless of course you really want to figure it out.
        1. Loess
          Loess 7 March 2018 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: V. Salama
          everything there is without cuts and inserts, unless of course you really want to figure it out.

          Give a link to the video of these events without cuts and inserts - I asked, because you are not the first to say about installation. So far no one has given, I suspect and you will not give.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 8 March 2018 02: 15
            +3
            Quote: Less

            Give a link to the video of these events without cuts and inserts - I asked, because you are not the first to say about installation. So far no one has given, I suspect and you will not give.

            I don’t even know where to start, we are in parallel realities. There will be fifty of these links, do you keep all the links on your smartphone, of what you looked at? I'll try of course:
            https://youtu.be/Bma8SRCwP2A
            https://youtu.be/ef9ITu1j2ak
            https://youtu.be/8UqNGEL1FWo
            https://youtu.be/hJ4nbo-b8Jc
            Start browsing from the end, so it will be more logical. Here, everything is exactly without cuts and inserts and answers to all questions asked, since it removes a TV channel that does not deal with this. What is wrong - formulate.
            1. Loess
              Loess 12 March 2018 08: 40
              0
              So ... maybe I need to clarify something ...
              1. I rarely appear on the net on weekends and holidays, so I saw your answer only now. Accordingly, I am also responding now.
              2. Most likely, it will be a shock to you that not all people, including myself, use smartphones. For me, a normal "dialer" without access to the network is enough for a full life)
              3. Now on to the point. I looked at the links - since I asked myself where to go) So, of the events of the four links that interest me, there is only one. The one about Rostov. Yes, I admit, those moments that were shown on federal channels in your record are not. But there were no denials from Grudinin that federal channels distorted this statement by Grudinin. And given the fact that Grudinin constantly claims violations, but in this case did not say anything, it is logical to assume that the statements of interest to me took place. In addition, I consider it necessary to clarify that those questions were asked “live”, to the camera, and were not read out on a piece of paper by Grudinin himself. I believe this was at the end of Grudinin’s speech and was not included in the recording that I watched by clicking on your link.
              Regarding links to Novosibirsk, Barnaul - this did not apply to my request, so I did not look. The press conference with Zyuganov (the one I spoke about) was organized for all television channels, and not for one, so your link on this subject was also not of interest to me.
              But still I consider it necessary to express my respect to you, for you are the only one who tried to answer the question in the exact format in which I asked. For some reason, all those who came before you immediately started talking about ... ahem ... other political figures.
    2. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 21: 08
      +2
      Mavrus, In general, you have the right thoughts. Except that budget money is being spent on Grudinin’s Mochilov. The Kremlin does not even need to spend a ruble on this. All media have truncated that on Grudinin’s Mochilov’s you can increase your rating, subscription and attendance - that is, make good money. Moreover, all the media try, regardless of belonging to the Yankees or pro-Kremlin - all journalists dig and delight voters every day with strawberries about a strawberry oligarch - forge iron while it’s hot. And the Kremlin itself will not allow Grudinin to be removed from the election, because he does not want to give a reason for the swampy liberals of the liberals for protests and horse races. Although liberal newspapers very much hope that Grudinin will be removed from the election. But the clever CEC will not remove Grudinin. Never. Grudinin will not even gain 1%. A great candidate for all opponents.
  12. Greenwood
    Greenwood 7 March 2018 10: 23
    +22
    Again, Western "experts" demonstrate a lack of understanding of Russian realities. The same Grudinin will not unite with Putin, they profess too different approaches to solving state issues.
    Grudinin is a candidate from the coalition of the left forces and the Communist Party that joined them. He has his own team and his own program, which has nothing to do with that jelly of meaningless phrases that Putin beautifully recited to the cartoons for the Western media. Although Putin has come forward as a self-nominated candidate, in fact he cannot fence himself off from United Russia, which consists entirely of his people, friends, etc., which has thoroughly discredited himself during his years in the government.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 7 March 2018 11: 05
      +3
      Western "experts" always stand on the platform - "nothing personal, only business." In other words, only personal gain, and everything else does not matter. And therefore, they do not exclude the unification of anyone with anyone. The mentality is not the same. They also showed this principle of theirs in the most vivid way when they were hiding Nazi criminals from the Soviet Union, who could be used for their military industry.
      1. Mechanic
        Mechanic 7 March 2018 12: 32
        +6
        Grudinin in United Russia for 10 years. While economic interests coincided
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 March 2018 14: 06
          +10
          But Putin was a member of the CPSU and served in the KGB. lol
          1. Russia
            Russia 7 March 2018 15: 03
            +11
            Quote: Greenwood
            But Putin was a member of the CPSU and served in the KGB. lol

            And what do you brag about, on which fronts or a specialist in air shock?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 March 2018 16: 19
              +7
              Quote: Rusland
              And what do you brag about, on which fronts or a specialist in air shock?
              Let's not go over to the personality, if there is nothing to say. I am not a candidate for presidency of the Russian Federation.
              1. Russia
                Russia 7 March 2018 16: 40
                +11
                Quote: Greenwood
                Quote: Rusland
                And what do you brag about, on which fronts or a specialist in air shock?
                Let's not go over to the personality, if there is nothing to say. I am not a candidate for presidency of the Russian Federation.

                But you are a citizen of your country, and I entered into a discussion with you, just because you still respecting the candidate Grudinin, respectfully, even without jerking, to the current president. That's all, nothing personal, good health and success in all your endeavors. hi
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 7 March 2018 16: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: Rusland
                  at least without jerking, were related to the current president
                  Well, if you carefully read my posts, you noticed that I never wrote insults to the current president. And the mention of populism in speech, the corruption of its environment and the general inability to implement real reforms in the country is only a statement of fact.
                  Quote: Rusland
                  respectfully
                  I do not consider it necessary to respect a person only for the presidency.
                  Quote: Rusland
                  even without jerking
                  I do not see anything wrong with that. wink
                  Quote: Rusland
                  That's all, nothing personal, good health and success in all your endeavors
                  Mutually. hi
          2. VeneraNina200
            VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 21: 18
            0
            You are not a regular special agent of the fifth column
    2. genakster
      genakster 7 March 2018 16: 55
      +2
      Question? Why is there no candidate for EP?
    3. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 21: 12
      +4
      It is ridiculous to hear how thousands of deputies are appointed Putin’s friends ... to go crazy ... Why does Putin have so much time to make friends with everyone ... that’s the question ...
  13. Alex66
    Alex66 7 March 2018 12: 07
    +5
    Under the existing capitalist system, when there is no adequate exchange of invested labor for a product, because the capitalist appropriates most of himself and withdraws from circulation (the country is impoverished, the capitalist is getting richer) nor any Grudinin will defeat poverty, he will not be allowed to create a fair pension system, will not be allowed to train thinking citizens. It is possible to solve problems by changing the system, form of ownership, taking into account experience, mistakes, and the transition to a new socialism.
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 7 March 2018 12: 26
      +8
      So he appropriates and deduces your communist Grudinin
      1. VeneraNina200
        VeneraNina200 9 March 2018 14: 48
        +1
        The mechanic and what the communist Grudinin assigns and deduces from him that the workers of the state farm are starving
        children live in school closets and kindergarten do not go You are a typical liberal individual drugged
        propaganda sivuha are not able to really assess the historical realities of the past and present This is also one of the negative realities of Russian reality, I'm sorry
        Soviet pensioner
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 7 March 2018 20: 14
      +2
      Quote: Alex66
      ... Grudinin will not be defeated by poverty, he will not be allowed to create a fair pension system, he will not be allowed to prepare thinking citizens. It is possible to solve problems by changing the system, form of ownership, taking into account experience, mistakes, and the transition to a new socialism.

      The problem is that you can “change the system” only in two ways - through a civil war or after its self-destruction. The first is impossible, I don’t want to wait for the second - we won’t survive, but we’ll be unhappy with our grandchildren. Through the elections - there are no such examples in the history, but it is proposed to try. Of course there is a chance, but the reaction will be extremely harsh and vile, which is extremely obvious.
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 12 March 2018 09: 21
        0
        You are right, a second path awaits us, and the elite is preparing for this, integrating truths and falsehoods into the Western system. Deposits, real estate, study, treatment are all there and most importantly there are no laws prohibiting it. And we would be happy to negotiate with the West for a small share, but only they want everything, our elite is a mob for them, slaves.
        1. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 13 March 2018 21: 24
          0
          Why say - Our elite is a mob for them, slaves, this is not our elite. After the collapse of the Soviet Union as a result of direct betrayal, the people were left to their fate.
    3. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 21: 14
      +5
      This is what Putin is striving for. He seeks social policy gradually and without revolution. Time is needed for this. Putin has no magic wand.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 8 March 2018 02: 34
        +3
        Quote: Natalia777
        This is what Putin is striving for. He seeks social policy gradually and without revolution. Time is needed for this. Putin has no magic wand.

        I can say that I read all your posts on this line, I read on others - your Nick is memorable. But I don’t know what to answer, even for such a short post. The only desire arises is to ask you: "Where do you get all this from?" On the basis of what do you get such ideas? Even when you state the facts, you manage to distort the meaning and confirm with them what they cannot confirm at the moment.
  14. turbris
    turbris 7 March 2018 13: 06
    +4
    Another discharge to the election campaign from Oleg Chuvakin, under the guise of information from the Stratfor agency. Well, the guy is trying, he is printing all sorts of speculations in the hope of influencing the elections, but I don’t understand, but what is there to discuss?
    1. sergei_55
      sergei_55 8 March 2018 22: 13
      0
      There is not only Dude, all in for sternum. Are ill already can not.
  15. ZHIGAN
    ZHIGAN 7 March 2018 13: 47
    +3
    Quote: Captain45
    Quote: AA17
    Nice house, decent retirement,

    So no one gave it to me and did not find it on the road. All by himself, with his head and hands. As they said in 90's - under the lying stone, “Amareto” does not flow. And about 20 millions, look at how and why this level of Rosstat considers - according to the minimum wage, benefits for the unemployed on the exchange, social pensions for those who have not worked in life, and so on. That's how many it was not necessary to be in different cities, well, I didn’t see that, with the exception of churches, they stood with outstretched hands, rummaged through trash cans, sold cigarettes individually in the crossings as in 90's. Then yes, there was tin.

    They work from morning to night for 12000-15000 to at least somehow make ends meet
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 7 March 2018 14: 03
      +8
      End-to-end is full of baskets in supermarkets, traffic jams in the streets, food in the cafe
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 7 March 2018 16: 25
        +7
        Ends meet
        it’s sausage without meat and palm oil, that’s what your full baskets, uncleaned streets and bank loans, here’s your traffic jams.
        1. Mechanic
          Mechanic 8 March 2018 03: 44
          +2
          don't envy if you're out of luck
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 7 March 2018 14: 10
      +8
      Come on, rowing snow or guarding for such money - rockets and taxiways are collected, students are taught! Here you go: https://rybinsk.trud.com/companies/saturn/ NPO Saturn vacancies. Nobody wants here for an ultramodern production by a process engineer at 12300?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 15: 44
        +9
        Quote: Galleon
        these are full baskets in supermarkets

        Yes, complete, judging by myself. But once a month.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 7 March 2018 15: 51
          +6
          I didn’t speak of full baskets in supermarkets. Here others comment on “marmalade being poured from under good kings”. Marmalade?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 15: 57
            +2
            Sorry, the answer was a mechanic. Why did your nickname come out - I can’t imagine. request
          2. Natalia777
            Natalia777 7 March 2018 21: 21
            +1
            Gayun, you are offended by life ... and many live very well ..
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 March 2018 08: 01
              +1
              Quote: Natalia777
              and many live very well ..

              Different from who?
    3. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 21: 18
      +2
      Did you determine from Washington who works for how much? The average salary is more than 30 thousand, and there is also a salary in envelopes .. All the yards are driven by cars, every second goes to rest in Antalya ...
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 9 March 2018 03: 55
        +1
        More than 30 tyr is she according to statistics! But in fact? On vacation in Antalya or Pataev, alas, rest in the Crimea is more expensive, but after-sales service is disgusting.
      2. VeneraNina200
        VeneraNina200 9 March 2018 15: 12
        +1
        Natalia is the average salary of 2 million per day for non-conscious citizens sitting on the pipe
        and take the hedgehog and offspring majors scattering five thousandth bills from very expensive cars
        And 30 thousand without an envelope for a family of 4 people this can happen in a very unfair
        communities of people Where does this lead to plenty of examples in world history
        Soviet pensioner
  16. erased
    erased 7 March 2018 14: 15
    +5
    Rave. The author, apparently, is a lover of the first channel, and believes in power as if in salvation.
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 7 March 2018 14: 31
      +7
      A person should believe in himself first of all, and not wait for manna from the authorities. But even in fairy tales we have dreams of a freebie
  17. Selvester
    Selvester 7 March 2018 14: 47
    +6
    Yavlinsky, Grudinin will help Putin (said Stratfor).
    Yeah, they’ll help - it’s not enough. That one that the other - helpers from God.
  18. Mestny
    Mestny 7 March 2018 15: 24
    +3
    Quote: vladimirvn
    And what has the Medvedev government been doing all these years ?! Deliciously ate, slept sweetly ?!

    From the point of view of young D, everything is just that - the power to eat deliciously, to sleep sweetly, and so on.
    You are not in this category, I hope?
  19. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 7 March 2018 15: 27
    +4
    marline,
    Well, Solovyov’s format is not available to us. Yes, and any other than the present too. So alas, Adyu.
    1. genakster
      genakster 7 March 2018 17: 01
      0
      And who does not agree, change the plate on the saucer!
  20. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 7 March 2018 16: 24
    +4
    Rotten "Apple" is 0,0 ...%. The only alternative to the “late” Putin is Pavel Nikolaevich. But in the system of the “Kremlin” he does not belong, he is unlikely to go into the servants. But the fact that foreigners spoke for the first time about the Communists for all the years and elections - THIS says a lot.
    For Grudinin!
    1. astankard
      astankard 7 March 2018 16: 31
      +2
      What - "For Grudinin!" ... will you work? ))) Well, yes, he no longer needs.
    2. Natalia777
      Natalia777 7 March 2018 21: 24
      +1
      Vladimir Vasilich, Yes ..... cool you pinned ... with humor you have 5 with a plus however ... +1000!
  21. peter mechkaev
    peter mechkaev 7 March 2018 16: 28
    +5
    Sometimes I want a maidan on Red Square to get all of Navalny, Gudkov, Yashin, Sobchachki and their flocks there, young and old, and then the authorities will drive armored personnel carriers with tanks, cut off the escape routes and make them reprisals, like in China Tiananmen Square in 1989.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 13: 42
      0
      Where are you yourself? In the tank?
    2. VeneraNina200
      VeneraNina200 8 March 2018 21: 53
      0
      It’s a good idea that they’ll not fit on just one square, and it’s not worth dirtying the paving of Red Square with their shit. This is our holy place Minin and Pozharsky on November 7, 1941 and May 9, 1945. Victory.
      Soviet pensioner
  22. astankard
    astankard 7 March 2018 16: 30
    +1
    I can’t say - where, which candidates should be sent.))) Again, a warning will be given by a moderator-sterner.)))
  23. Antivirus2k
    Antivirus2k 7 March 2018 16: 31
    +7
    Boltalogiya ... According to senior sources of the same newspaper.ru, Putin is not going to change the government if he wins (and he wins, even if they vote for Grudinin). Having such a government, we still live in poverty for at least 6 years.
    1. sergei_55
      sergei_55 8 March 2018 22: 17
      0
      In Ukraine, lace has already been acquired. Go to them, you will be happy.
    2. mvnmln
      mvnmln 9 March 2018 00: 38
      0
      Quote: Antivirus2k
      Boltalogiya ... According to senior sources of the same newspaper.ru, Putin is not going to change the government if he wins (and he wins, even if they vote for Grudinin). Having such a government, we still live in poverty for at least 6 years.

      You so confidently say that the question arises: are you not friends with V. Putin? Here about his plans in more detail ...
  24. alauda1038
    alauda1038 7 March 2018 16: 46
    +4
    Grudinin pays high salaries but no one has seen his workers yet ...
    1. Alexsin
      Alexsin 7 March 2018 17: 37
      +2
      Come early in the morning to the Domodedovo metro station in June when strawberry harvesting begins. Then you will see hundreds of pensioners and schoolchildren who are going to harvest strawberries on the plantations of Barin Grudinin. True, the gentleman Grudinin pays his salary not in money, but as in the 90s by barter. Strawberries .10% of the harvested crop. And apples in the fall.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 13: 52
        0
        If people do not go under duress, but themselves.? Is that what it says?
    2. businessv
      businessv 7 March 2018 17: 55
      +7
      Quote: alauda1038
      Grudinin pays high salaries but no one has seen his workers yet ...

      You will be very surprised, but I saw! And everyone saw who tore his ass from the sofa and deigned to go to his state farm. Entrance / entry is free! And again be surprised, but everything in him is exactly how this economy is described! How zadolbali trolls! Already in VO drew!
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 March 2018 16: 50
    +2
    Well, which one can suggest that the Western "well-wishers" want the growth of the Russian economy, poverty reduction? Is there at least one country in the world that these very well-wishers have recently turned into a blooming garden? Poland? Well, do not tell my slippers. Poland’s PPP GDP differs from Russia by a little ... only this is all without the robbery of the 90s and without any sanctions.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 7 March 2018 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, which one can suggest that the Western "well-wishers" want the growth of the Russian economy, poverty reduction? Is there at least one country in the world that these very well-wishers have recently turned into a blooming garden? Poland? ...
      The world is not what it seems. Poland plays the role of Germany in the days of the GDR - the "window of the" West, so that the eastern neighbors see how they live well and envy. Poland is subsidized annually with ten euro lard for this purpose in particular. And it is better not to delve into the signal system of Western "well-wishers", they not served for us, but to the groups of our "elites" and their liberal agents.
  26. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 7 March 2018 17: 06
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    The easiest way is to give gloomy forecasts and comments.

    Let's try without predictions. Imagine say a revolver. So you pulled the trigger. Look - the details of the mechanism are set in motion! What will be the result of this movement? The result will be a shot. And why? But because the revolver is so arranged.
    Do you understand? It can be improved, even modified, other materials can be used, its manufacture can be transferred to another plant ... but as a result, the revolver will either shoot or break. None of our actions to improve the revolver will lead to the fact that as a result we get from it say a flower.
    If we need flowers, we must put down the revolver and go to bed to dig up. What is the use of the fact that the president "outlined problems"? The socio-economic model built in the country cannot ensure sane growth under any circumstances, because it is SO arranged!


    Z
  27. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 March 2018 17: 10
    +5
    And I think that where all the liberalism ran away ..))) Here they are, where they “beat tambourines” .. laughing
    Well, read, remember ...
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 7 March 2018 19: 10
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And I think that where all the liberalism ran away ..))) Here they are, where they “beat tambourines” .. laughing
      Well, read, remember ...

      Greetings, namesake hi In the stupa, they push and immediately onto the fan, like a stoker in a steam train, shifts on the way. smile
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 7 March 2018 20: 05
        +3
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And I think that where all the liberalism ran away ..))) Here they are, where they “beat tambourines” .. laughing
        Well, read, remember ...

        Greetings, namesake hi In the stupa, they push and immediately onto the fan, like a stoker in a steam train, shifts on the way. smile

        These are the Stirlitz Greetings! soldier We are Vitali, we’ll still raise a rebellion here .. hehe
        1. Russia
          Russia 7 March 2018 21: 17
          +11
          And not one, but many uprisings, for sure, some kind of swamp here, and counted the restless waders about three. laughing
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 7 March 2018 21: 31
            +2
            Quote: Rusland
            And not one, but many uprisings, for sure, some kind of swamp here, and counted the restless waders about three. laughing

            It's useless to argue with them ... heh heh
            Well, here's the topic .. heh heh ..

            Download further .. I think everyone liked it here! ha ha ha
            Listen gentlemen ... But you can’t plunge Russia into the 90s! will not work.. soldier
  28. Alexsin
    Alexsin 7 March 2018 17: 28
    +6
    It is necessary P.N. Grudinin give state farm somewhere in the Ryazan region. If in 3-5 years it will raise it to the level of Lenin State Farm CJSC on loans of Russian banks, and not by selling expensive Moscow land and leasing commercial space, then really Grudinin is an intelligent and talented business executive, and such Premieres are possible, and after 6 years, and the presidency.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 7 March 2018 20: 48
      +2
      Quote: Alexsin
      ... If in 3-5 years he will raise him to the level of Lenin State Farm CJSC on loans of Russian banks, then Grudinin really is a smart and talented business executive, and this can be done in premieres, and after 6 years in the presidency.

      What is so harsh? Of course, in a hundred years it won’t raise it, because banks don’t need domestic agricultural production. Otherwise, they would not lend, but invest. And why in the premiere. Won Lukashenko so immediately in the presidency and nothing cope. And he has already proved that Grudinin is an intelligent and talented housekeeper by the fact that his state farm has survived and exists in a quality in which it should not exist in the present conditions.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 13: 57
        +1
        And Mr. Putin did he raise something to the presidency? I won’t even ask about what he raised as president.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 March 2018 20: 12
          +1
          I must say decently raised and the defense industry and the CX and nuclear energy.
  29. The comment was deleted.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 March 2018 20: 16
      +1
      “Prohibit the withdrawal of funds abroad” - There will be no foreign investment, and without them the development of the economy and everything else will stall. “You don’t have to give anything to people, we can make money ourselves” -That is half the population does not think so, they need a freebie.
      1. Twodi
        Twodi 9 March 2018 17: 50
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        There will be no foreign investments, and without them, the development of the economy and everything else will stall.

        So I say leaving 1-2 banks completely controlled by the state in order to track these cash flows.
  30. businessv
    businessv 7 March 2018 17: 49
    +5
    The Kremlin will invite Grudinin and Yavlinsky. Two of these comrades will eliminate poverty in Russia, attract foreign investments from abroad, establish a pension system and increase the growth rate of the Russian economy.

    Oleg, as usual, thanks for the review only, IMHO, these two personalities should not stand together even in voicing the conclusions. Grudinin is a practitioner, patriot and not a fan of the West and its ideology. Those. the exact opposite of Yavlinsky — he works more with his tongue, and he is obviously engaged by the West. I have somewhat different conclusions regarding the article, but I completely agree with the thought about the inability of the current government to boost the economy and “lower” corruption. There is also no doubt that the commander-in-chief will remain the same and that’s right, but Grudinin should be helped if the West read such a significant future to him. It’s not always for us to fight with the West!))) And judging by the kind of company deployed against him in the federal media, he is clearly a popular candidate. Seriously, for three years now I have been watching his performances with pleasure. There are not many people in our country who, besides this business, also remember subordinates working under their supervision and render them all-round help and support! Friends, I remind you, this is my opinion, so I ask you not to get excited and pour in my ears, I'm not going to answer! hi
  31. Navigator Basov
    Navigator Basov 7 March 2018 18: 34
    +3
    Then, in 2015, a “military intervention in Syria” was organized.
    Finally handsome. A complete contradiction to the definition of intervention. Such a cynical abomination that words can not be expressed.
    Intervention (lat. Interventio - intervention) - military, political, informational or economic interference of one or several states in the internal affairs of another state, violating its sovereignty.
    Intervention can be military (one of the forms of aggression), diplomatic, informational, economic. All types of intervention are incompatible with the UN Charter and are prohibited by international law.
    <...>
    In the 21st century, international interventions took place in the 2001 year in Iraq by the United States and in the 2011 in Libya by NATO.

    Well, let this American talking-writing station prove that Russian military participation violates the sovereignty of Syria. But at the same time it would be nice to prove that the coalition (essentially American) military operations of Syrian sovereignty do not violate. Or maybe they are still stupid-s-s-s-s?
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 7 March 2018 19: 06
    +3
    Quote: KAV
    Quote: SK70
    But the security forces promote Grudinin, who are well aware that another 6 years of such a policy and the reality of the social explosion will increase significantly.

    Come on, come on! What kind of security officials are these promoting Grudinin ?! Are you, of an hour, not from parallel reality?

    From her. There are enough of them. Martian. wassat
  33. Galleon
    Galleon 7 March 2018 19: 44
    +9
    Golovan Jack,
    Golovan, your importance is only until the moment when a person looks at your comments in the profile. They clearly show who you are and what you are. Zero
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 20: 36
      +5
      Well, yes, I remember him in a different guise (with a different nickname), and he fiercely argued that investing petrodollars in the GKO is much more profitable than in gold. laughing
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 20: 42
      +6
      Quote: Galleon
      You can clearly see who you are and what you are. Zero

      Your opinion is extremely important to me. wink
      Quote: Galleon
      your importance only until a person looks at your profile comments

      Try to dispute something, or something ... otherwise you are just pushing around the corner ... somehow it’s not solid request
      It’s kind of like this ... comrade:
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      he fiercely argued that investing petrodollars in the T-bills of the USA is much more profitable than in gold

      Ingvar 72, Lying is bad. And if you misunderstood something - contact ... I will explain, with pictures.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 21: 07
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Ingvar 72, it's not good to lie

        What did I lie to? belay Did you not explain to me that treasure is much more profitable and more liquid than gold? wink If it’s a matter of principle, then I can find your posts under a different nickname, you and I have argued on this topic more than once. And I do not need pictures - a calculator is at hand. I can calculate and compare how many times over the past 20 years the price of gold and the price of T-bills of the USA of different long-term deposits have risen. And no interest on treasury deposits does not compensate for the increase in gold prices. hi
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 21: 26
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I can find your posts under a different nickname, we have argued more than once on this subject

          Very bound yes
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          how many times over the past 20 years ...

          Enough, you have already won the contest (s).
          We recall, since you are so competent, the amount of the external debt of the Russian Federation and the amount of existing treasure ... we think for a long time ... and only then write something.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And no interest on deposits in treasuries does not compensate for the increase in the price of gold

          Cap, you? laughing
  34. akudr48
    akudr48 7 March 2018 19: 58
    +3
    The article is complete nonsense, a retelling of what they write abroad about our elections, but the author did not dare to draw independent conclusions.

    And he attributed to Grudin that which he had never offered, and to the Kremlin - that they had never been asked there. Moreover, he crossed Grudinin and Yavlinsky, bred a new variety of hybrid candidate ...

    The author is also silent about the situation in the country, as if it is not clear what is happening, but trampling from foot to foot, attracting the Stratfor, something with a reference to these authorities, mumbles through stiff teeth about stagnation, of course, with the words of Stratfor.

    At the same time, boldly trashes these advisers, "apparently, the brain trust (Stratfor) believes that the Kremlin is unable to either strengthen the economy or defeat rising poverty."

    The author apparently believes that after 10 years that the Kremlin was not able, after the election, helmsman, with renewed vigor, after the next 10 years, there will finally be able to defeat rising poverty.

    Here is such a modern "language of Aesopian speeches", such a hybrid reality is created by such publications.
  35. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 March 2018 20: 12
    +3
    What kind of noise in the cell, gentlemen ..? They wanted to go to the punishment cell.
    And that's why the Kremlin will invite Grudinin and Yavlinsky to the role of specialists. Two of these comrades will eliminate poverty in Russia, attract foreign investments from abroad, establish a pension system and increase the growth rate of the Russian economy.

    These two can be alone ..! Investments will be (shag. Lard, tea))))
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  37. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 7 March 2018 20: 28
    +5
    Golovan Jack,
    The gentleman believes in the word (c).
    In vain, my friend, in vain request
    how incredulous you are!
    Based on the information in the form in which we have it, the law does not provide for the removal of a candidate from the election. He had to close all of his foreign accounts before registration, that is, January 12th. Grudinin wrote to us that he had closed. We take his word for it.
    The Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation also believe Grudinin's word! wink
    An employee of the Central Election Commission noted that it is not yet known whether the accounts were closed at the time of registration of the candidate on January 12. "In addition to his (Grudinin) personal statement that he had closed everything, we do not have certificates from the bank about this," Levichev said.
    Those. they can neither confirm nor deny that Grudinin has open accounts. But balabolit about these accounts on all news feeds. Do you know what it's called? wink
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 7 March 2018 21: 37
      +5
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      . Those. they can neither confirm nor deny that Grudinin has open accounts. But balabolit about these accounts on all news feeds. Do you know what it's called? wink

      All of them can, but do not want - this is the Jesuit plan. On January 10, Grudinin handed over the documents to the tax authorities and notified the CEC, and they claim that they received nothing from the tax. Grudinin could not get any intelligible explanation from the tax - in-kind paid sabotage. It came to a scandal (Zyu promised to put it on everyone’s ears) the CEC said that we believe it was over, but they continue to tryn’t, that there was a documented fact as of December 31, but on January 10 we were just a word ... Not enough Moreover, they promise to post information of this kind at all polling stations. And what do you call it? For such things, I would leave the death penalty - for willful slander and meanness.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 13
        +3
        But the most important thing: the Central Election Commission did not exclude the presidential candidate P.N.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 8 March 2018 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          .
          So there are no violations. And everything else is nonsense.
          This obvious conclusion is not obvious to the average voter. Therefore, such methods of fooling are effective, which does not contribute to optimism.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 21: 07
      +6
      Lyrical digression:

      I like the evolution of the adherents of the Grudinin sect. For some month, the guys have come a long way: from full negatives (# vsefsevsureti) to the classic "not caught - not a thief."

      It’s only a pity that this fun ends and will soon end completely request
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 9 March 2018 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        ... I like the evolution of the adherents of the Grudinin sect. ....

        If this is a sect, then what is true religion, I would like to know. Not having offered anything other than “you have to work hard and you will be rewarded” - it does not offer anything as old as the world and we all know that this is the reception of manipulators. And not everyone is interested in material wealth, at least not in the first place.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        It’s only a pity that this fun ends and will soon end completely
        Everything that has a beginning has an end. The trick is what it is about. "Amusement" since January 2018 or since 1991? I think that this "entertainer" has a deeper beginning for a good hundred years and no end has yet been seen. So, I think public excitement may and may decline (that it’s me, everything can turn around here), but it’s too early to speak about the end. The world is changeable, this is one of its fundamental properties. So development is inevitable - progress or regression. The question here is which process is objective in the given conditions. And this is our main question, since we are divided here on the basis of: - depending on how we answer it.
        This is me, preparing the basis for further discussion.
  38. tazilion
    tazilion 7 March 2018 21: 06
    +2
    The state farmer is a crook, so he is not the only one.
    Why kick him for some 5kg of gold.
    His task is to sell Russia.
    And will the Kremlin help?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 March 2018 22: 25
      +1
      We must vote for him — the country will not be worse, but when his whole program, together with the Communist Party, fails, Zyuganov and the “strawberry” are kicked out of the party, the Communist Party’s chewed record will have to disappear, along with the party.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 16
        0
        Yes, vote for Putin. And he and his government will again begin to withdraw $ 35 billion a year abroad. Or maybe they will overfulfill the plan?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 March 2018 20: 03
          +1
          Do you have evidence of the withdrawal of billions by Putin and the government?
  39. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 7 March 2018 21: 54
    0
    Quote: Natalia777
    Vladimir Putin inspires respect for our Crimea, our South Ossetia, our Abkhazia, our Syria, our Donbass ...

    Well, write something fresh.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 March 2018 22: 58
      +4
      Vladimir V. Putin is respected for: The end of the Chechen war, an increase in GDP from 2000 from 7 trillion rubles to 92 in 2017, over the same period a decrease in inflation from 20% to 2,5, a decrease in the number of poor from 45 million, to 20 millions, an increase in gold reserves from 30 billion to 450 billion, a public debt from 200 to 50 billion, during the same time 29000 enterprises were built, some of the largest in Europe are the construction of 69 state district power stations, thermal power plants, hydroelectric power stations, 20 technology parks, 7 nuclear power plants, 8 ports, 600 bridges, 9000 kilometers of railway roads, doubled the roads of public and hard pavement for general use, agricultural production grew to 5 trillion rubles, equipped the army with modern weapons, returned Crimea to 70%, and defeated the most powerful terrorist group in the world. This was done under Putin - now we’ll evaluate what will be done with the “strawberry hare” if he is chosen. But we can say for sure that his condition will not grow two to three times, it will grow ten times.
      1. SK70
        SK70 8 March 2018 00: 58
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        Vladimir V. Putin is respected for: The end of the Chechen war, an increase in GDP from 2000 from 7 trillion rubles to 92 in 2017, over the same period a decrease in inflation from 20% to 2,5, a decrease in the number of poor from 45 million, to 20 millions, an increase in gold reserves from 30 billion to 450 billion, a public debt from 200 to 50 billion, during the same time 29000 enterprises were built, some of the largest in Europe are the construction of 69 state district power stations, thermal power plants, hydroelectric power stations, 20 technology parks, 7 nuclear power plants, 8 ports, 600 bridges, 9000 kilometers of railway roads, doubled the roads of public and hard pavement for general use, agricultural production grew to 5 trillion rubles, equipped the army with modern weapons, returned Crimea to 70%, and defeated the most powerful terrorist group in the world. This was done under Putin - now we’ll evaluate what will be done with the “strawberry hare” if he is chosen. But we can say for sure that his condition will not grow two to three times, it will grow ten times.

        Urgently turn off the kissel TV.
        Eka pins you.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 March 2018 09: 42
          +2
          True, it hurts the eyes, but she is. No jelly TV is here - this is reality.
      2. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 19
        0
        I already asked you where these 9000 km of railway are. Can you answer now? I remind you that there is NO second BAM and Transib in our country.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 March 2018 20: 04
          +1
          You contact them in the railway and they have maps, where they built something.
  40. Litexa
    Litexa 7 March 2018 22: 54
    +7
    While Putin holds onto power, no changes and economic growth can be expected, since his policy is focused on enriching his friends oligarchs through the sale of resources and not on the development of the country.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 March 2018 09: 44
      +1
      There will be no enrichment without development.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 26
        0
        Enrichment of whom? They are already immensely rich.
  41. earloop
    earloop 7 March 2018 23: 05
    +4
    Yavlinsky, the author of the program "500 Days", an adherent of the slogan: "I know what to do, but I will not say." He did not apply his knowledge to responsible and practical work. Theoretically, one can have excellent knowledge such as putting log cabins with an ax, but in practice, not all "theorists" get this job. It is advisable to search among young people from the "detachment" Kiriyenko. Yes, and you need to deal with universities, such as HSE and the like, which are trained at the expense of the state ...., in any case, specialists, but not patriots of this state.
    .
  42. earloop
    earloop 7 March 2018 23: 12
    +1
    As for project 33: Grudinin, a good man, but judging by the press, "for gold in a foreign bank he sold his soul to the devil."
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 8 March 2018 21: 15
      0
      Quote: earloop
      As for project 33: Grudinin, a good man, but judging by the press, "for gold in a foreign bank he sold his soul to the devil."

      Of the candidates, he is in fifth place in terms of income, and why did he suddenly sell his soul? And judging by the press ... laughing Yes, in the election campaign, worse than guessing on jelly. Not with Kissel I went too far, this is also worse.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 21: 25
        +5
        Quote: V. Salama
        Of the candidates, he is in fifth place in terms of income, and why did he suddenly sell his soul?

        Cheaper price. Well, or just cheap stuff yes
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 9 March 2018 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Cheaper ...
          To sell, you must first sell. I personally do not know this fact. Of course, any fact of consent of any person to something can formally be presented as an act of buying and selling. Since the "seller" always stipulates conditions, albeit not material. Often, by precedent, conditions may not even be negotiated (fixed). But as Vladimir Ilyich warned us still, one should not go as far as relativism in reasoning. For this reason, probably the wives who agreed to the marriage, and precisely because of this, no one thinks to call a dirty word in a decent company.
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          ... Well, or just cheap stuff
          Everything is known in comparison, so human nature is arranged. Therefore, in this case, saying A and not saying B, it does not say anything. I would like to see that standard, which is expensive, like a spool.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 14: 04
            +4
            Quote: V. Salama
            V. Salama

            Oh how ... go on, you are fascinated laughing
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 9 March 2018 16: 52
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              ... you are fascinated

              No, charm is not an estimate for this case. You will laugh, but I perceive this as a necessary necessity. Although, in fact, I have no significant complaints about the candidate, especially since he quickly learns.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 19: 33
                +4
                Quote: V. Salama
                charm is an assessment

                This is not an estimate. This is a condition. Souls. Your laughing
      2. earloop
        earloop 9 March 2018 01: 10
        0
        I would immediately record 5kg of gold in the declaration, there would be no questions! And so it turns out: "Zlata is a lot - honor is not enough"! Itself struck a strong, image blow. And it looks like a knockout!
  43. Ragoz
    Ragoz 7 March 2018 23: 28
    +4
    Let Putin at least live a year at a minimum wage in the Lake without personal planes.
    1. turbris
      turbris 9 March 2018 10: 47
      0
      And you try, first become the president, and then at the minimum wage and without personal planes.
  44. Days
    Days 8 March 2018 00: 22
    +5
    Grudinin could help the Kremlin in developing reforms in the pension sphere, as well as in the fight against poverty.
    What nonsense. Grudinin will distribute his accounts in Swiss banks, fighting poverty?
  45. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 00: 58
    +5
    Ingvar 72,
    Grudinin today is Bryntsalov. Tokma without red piZhmaka. And with a clumsy attempt to become Russian Trump, when Ksenia gave flowers ... wassat
    I finally can not understand - how much of a people such love for the red billionaire, who bought indulgence from the pseudo-Bolsheviks?
    They all (Yavlinsky-Sobchak-Grudinin) have one song, which begins with the words "How to sell a homeland more expensive?" Grudinin is an ento Russian Yanukovych in all his beauty and love for foreign life and real estate. God forbid us such a president!
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 37
      0
      You gotta sober up
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 14: 38
        +3
        Whose cow mumbled .....
        1. sergei_55
          sergei_55 8 March 2018 22: 24
          +1
          stalkerwalker Today, 14:38 PM ↑
          Whose cow mumbled .....

          good
  46. ivant74rus
    ivant74rus 8 March 2018 05: 42
    +1
    I think that Grudinin will win the election and thank God Putin will leave.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 8 March 2018 08: 20
      +1
      don't console yourself with illusions, he won’t win anything
      Quote: Natalia777
      Grudinin will not even gain 1%.

      although this is frank stupidity
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 March 2018 09: 45
      0
      Putin will leave - at the premiere.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 38
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Putin will leave - in premieres

        To the monastery. Who next?
  47. Alexander Vetrov
    Alexander Vetrov 8 March 2018 09: 58
    0
    It must be assumed that all changes in the country should occur without the participation of the current president and government. Only under these conditions, or rather without these thieving mediocrity, can Russia really rise from its knees.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 March 2018 20: 21
      +1
      We have 90 percent of the funds — hundreds of thousands of officials are stolen on the ground: regional, provincial, city, district and other municipalities, and also cover criminal groups, along with local police officers.
  48. Grayish
    Grayish 8 March 2018 11: 46
    +3
    Neither Grudinin nor Yavlinsky will be in the government. All with whom Putin wants to work already in his team. About the distribution of money and prizes at the elections ... This is generally a guard! Shows the best who wrote this article. About undermining the president’s legitimacy with 70% of the vote, this is a full guard !!! Can you name at least someone who has more. And the rest of the "applicants" are simply preparing a place for themselves in parliament. It is necessary to shine a face otherwise you will fall out of a holder.
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    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: SK70
      And I would like to leave my country and children to another country.

      This ????????????????
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        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 12: 21
          +3
          So your little words-tracing the maydan slogans .....
          "Than the gossips to consider ..."
          Or are you in person, B. B. Nadezhdin? I saw and heard you on talk shows .... Such liberals and liberals were in the government at the beginning of the 2000's.
          Where is tapericha, the main liberalist Misha-2%?
          You’re all smeared with one paint - “Let me steer!” "Do not bother to cut the loot!"
          1. SK70
            SK70 8 March 2018 12: 57
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            So your little words-tracing the maydan slogans .....
            "Than the gossips to consider ..."
            Or are you in person, B. B. Nadezhdin? I saw and heard you on talk shows .... Such liberals and liberals were in the government at the beginning of the 2000's.
            Where is tapericha, the main liberalist Misha-2%?
            You’re all smeared with one paint - “Let me steer!” "Do not bother to cut the loot!"

            Looks like you already celebrated the holiday! laughing
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 13: 03
              +1
              Quote: SK70
              Looks like you already celebrated the holiday!

              Borya .... Do not shawl ....
          2. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 47
            0
            The main liberal is sitting in the Kremlin. He’s sawing loot. And his main desire (you can guess) is not to bother him (MAB) to cut. And you are still drunk hi
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 14: 50
              +2
              Take it easy, liberal ....
              1. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 15: 12
                0
                Who are you? The mirror will tolerate everything. But the president said to himself that he was a liberal. Alas, the whole country saw it. Sprinkle your head in ashes
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 12: 12
      +7
      Quote: SK70
      So you only think about yourself

      Not at all. I just I think, Unlike. And I know how to "distinguish things that I can change from things that I can’t change" (c).

      Quote: SK70
      And I would like to leave my country and children to another country

      No need to think "nationwide." It is harmful. Shirnarmassam - so generally harmful.
      Leave the children something more tangible. This is more difficult than dreaming on the Internet, for this you need to work. Long and hard. And there is no guarantee what will happen.
      But this is the only sane way.
      Incidentally,
      Quote: SK70
      bitterness, dull strength,

      - and there are the most "human" qualities. I do not like Berkem, but here he truly says:
      Human nature cannot be altered; people are initially inherent in living in small gangs and sometimes cutting each other. Only real, full-sized power can clamp a person so that he throws his real habits and begins to go to work in a tie, obey his mother-in-law, and do other necessary nonsense

      Without such power, "changing the system", you will not even get the 90s ... You will get much worse.
      I personally haven’t got anywhere stop
      1. SK70
        SK70 8 March 2018 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Not at all. I just think, unlike. And I know how to "distinguish things that I can change from things that I can’t change" (c)

        You can change everything.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: SK70
        So you only think about yourself

        Not at all. I just I think, Unlike. And I know how to "distinguish things that I can change from things that I can’t change" (c).

        Quote: SK70
        And I would like to leave my country and children to another country

        No need to think "nationwide." It is harmful. Shirnarmassam - so generally harmful.
        Leave the children something more tangible. This is more difficult than dreaming on the Internet, for this you need to work. Long and hard. And there is no guarantee what will happen.
        But this is the only sane way.
        Incidentally,
        Quote: SK70
        bitterness, dull strength,

        - and there are the most "human" qualities. I do not like Berkem, but here he truly says:
        Human nature cannot be altered; people are initially inherent in living in small gangs and sometimes cutting each other. Only real, full-sized power can clamp a person so that he throws his real habits and begins to go to work in a tie, obey his mother-in-law, and do other necessary nonsense

        Without such power, "changing the system", you will not even get the 90s ... You will get much worse.
        I personally haven’t got anywhere stop

        There is no problem with this.
        But as in the movie: "I feel sorry for the power."
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        This is more difficult than dreaming on the Internet, for this you need to work. Long and hard. And there is no guarantee what will happen.
        But this is the only sane way.

        There are no special problems to earn a living now. As in the 90s, those who like to fail to earn money, but to receive money, like to find fault.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Without such power, "changing the system", you will not even get the 90s ... You will get much worse.

        I do not agree with this,
        The bulk of the people in the 90s was much more human than now.
        And money can always be earned.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 13: 27
          +5
          Quote: SK70
          You can change everything

          Lord, give me the patience to accept that I cannot change, give me the strength to change what is possible, and give me the wisdom to learn to distinguish the first from the second

          Classic is necessary know wink
          Quote: SK70
          There are no special problems to earn a living now. As in the 90s, those who like to not earn, but RECEIVE money, like to find fault

          Original, wow belay
          In the 90s I personally “arrived”, having behind me and on my shoulders:
          - school - institute - service in SA
          - wife after childbirth and daughter
          - without an apartment, and with a salary of 140 rubles, which somehow was not particularly paid
          “On the plus side” was health and the sea was healthy, ahem ... dope ... which allowed us to survive and develop.
          As for "I’m used to making money, not getting it," it’s nonsense. The system that people worked for broke. And with it, the ability to earn money normally.
          Quote: SK70
          The bulk of the people in the 90s was much more human than now

          Rave. No explanation.
          Well, or you are just very lucky with your social circle.
          Quote: SK70
          And money can always be earned

          Then what are you whining about about the “lost Union” and “the country you want to leave to the children”?
          Earn money, change everything for the better ... only for myself, because "for others" you change ... is contraindicated, not everyone will understand you for sure. It is at least yes
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            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 14: 02
              +6
              Quote: SK70
              Slave Psychology

              Yah?
              This, my dear, is not "psychology", but a scientific approach to life.
              And you also used it, but at least in the 90s the same ... otherwise you would have been lying under pebbles a long time ago. This is in the happiest situation for you.
              Quote: SK70
              And I’m an institute where scholarships were enough for one lunch

              Malyavka. Larva laughing
              This is not an insult to nirazu, it is a statement of fact yes
              Quote: SK70
              At night he unloaded wagons and worked at a kiosk

              Oh, hard ... don’t make laughs like that already laughing
              Quote: SK70
              Then he rented his stalls, and then bought

              All clear. Institute sideways, "fit into the market", right now take out of habit ... while whining and want nishtyakov, sunk into oblivion with the Union.
              My condolences.
              Quote: SK70
              Science and defense were then dragged down, but those who survived wanted to ...

              Hey, theorist ... I was working in that science at that time.
              Yes, they survived ... who is where, but not in the workplace. It was stupid not to survive.
              I really don’t have to tell ... the student is not learned.
              Quote: SK70
              Education was still Soviet

              Yeah. That is, everyone is without exception. And the cops, and the bandits, and other foam, abruptly rising up ...
              Only it (education) quickly ended in contact with gray reality. Either the mentality changed, ahem, or the mentality disappeared along with the carrier.
              In short ... to the garden, to the garden ...
              And - do not try to reorganize the society, otherwise it will "reorganize" you stop
              1. Romulus
                Romulus 8 March 2018 14: 20
                0
                Slave Psychology

                Yah?
                This, my dear, is not "psychology", but a scientific approach to life.
                And you also used it, but at least in the 90s the same ... otherwise you would have been lying under pebbles a long time ago. This is in the happiest situation for you.
                Quote: SK70
                And I’m an institute where scholarships were enough for one lunch

                Malyavka. Larva [/ quote]
                Romale) the trick is that I agree with you in many ways (gruff Pyachyal) there is a lot of boobies, you haven’t seen IMHO) you eat my message (for free) EFLIF cho in PM
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 14: 36
                  +5
                  Quote: Romulus
                  IMHO

                  Quote: Romulus
                  EFLIF cho

                  Vodka is evil stop
                  1. Romulus
                    Romulus 8 March 2018 14: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: Romulus
                    IMHO

                    Quote: Romulus
                    EFLIF cho

                    Vodka is evil stop

                    drinks
                    I agree, but what about viskar? (damn State Department) ..
              2. SK70
                SK70 8 March 2018 14: 50
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Yah?
                This, my dear, is not "psychology", but a scientific approach to life.

                Lord give - is this a scientific approach? laughing
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Oh, hard ... don’t make laughs like that already

                And in the morning on sopromat. Lepota.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                All clear. Institute sideways, "fit into the market", right now take out of habit ... while whining and want nishtyakov, sunk into oblivion with the Union.
                My condolences.

                Alas, no. Finished, and then another.
                I’ll explain it again. I don’t ask anything for myself. It's a shame for parents who were given a ridiculous pension, and for children who will not have Soviet nishtyaks.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Hey, theorist ... I was working in that science at that time.
                Yes, they survived ... who is where, but not in the workplace. It was stupid not to survive.
                I really don’t have to tell ... the student is not learned.

                Do not be rude or poke. I have enough people from the defense industry moonlighting. And they did not whine like you.

                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Yeah. That is, everyone is without exception. And the cops, and the bandits, and other foam, abruptly rising up ...

                Do not measure all by yourself. And normal cops came across more often. Not like now.
                And the bandits were different.
                And the foam is now sitting in the Kremlin.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 15: 08
                  +6
                  Quote: SK70
                  Lord give - is this a scientific approach?

                  Quote: SK70
                  Finished and then another one

                  Does not fit. Well, or you were poorly taught. I was taught to think, but you, the campaign, to cling to words. No?
                  Quote: SK70
                  I have enough people from the defense industry moonlighting. And they did not whine like you.

                  Benefactor you ... not mine laughing
                  I just do not whine. This is for you, you see
                  Quote: SK70
                  It's a shame for parents who were given a ridiculous pension, and for children who will not have Soviet nishtyaks

                  I'm so sorry.
                  But - as it is.
                  If you can change something for children and your parents - change.
                  At the same time, you will interfere with my life (and not only, I'm not the only one, believe me) - well ... sorry then, if that.
                  Although for you, apparently, there are plenty of cops too. And whining in the internet is not punishable with us, freedom of speech is with us, you understand.
                  Quote: SK70
                  normal cops came across more often. Not like now. And the bandits were different

                  I already said -
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You are just very lucky with your social circle

                  It also happened. But far from all such happiness fell.
                  Quote: SK70
                  ... foam is now sitting in the Kremlin

                  Foam in the Kremlin, since 2000, has begun to decline. And the process is ... not fast, it is possible to spoil everything in a minute, and cleaning and tidying up is always a long and costly process.
                  It’s not for you to work in a kiosk request
                  1. SK70
                    SK70 8 March 2018 16: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    At the same time, you will interfere with my life (and not only, I'm not the only one, believe me) - well ... sorry then, if that.

                    Already start to be afraid? laughing
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Although for you, apparently, there are plenty of cops too.

                    Do not judge and will not be judged.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Foam in the Kremlin, since 2000, has begun to decline.

                    Well, you were joking. In my opinion the opposite.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 17: 31
                      +5
                      Quote: SK70
                      In my opinion the opposite

                      At 20 years old, there is no mind - and there will be no (c).
                      (thoughtfully): Two institutes ... two sentences (each of three, um, words). And two errors in them ...
                      Noooo ... I don’t understand request
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                  2. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 8 March 2018 21: 36
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                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: SK70
                    Lord give - is this a scientific approach?

                    Quote: SK70
                    Finished and then another one

                    Does not fit. Well, or you were poorly taught. I was taught to think, but you, the campaign, to cling to words. No?
                    Quote: SK70
                    I have enough people from the defense industry moonlighting. And they did not whine like you.

                    Benefactor you ... not mine laughing
                    I just do not whine. This is for you, you see
                    Quote: SK70
                    It's a shame for parents who were given a ridiculous pension, and for children who will not have Soviet nishtyaks

                    I'm so sorry.
                    But - as it is.
                    If you can change something for children and your parents - change.
                    At the same time, you will interfere with my life (and not only, I'm not the only one, believe me) - well ... sorry then, if that.
                    Although for you, apparently, there are plenty of cops too. And whining in the internet is not punishable with us, freedom of speech is with us, you understand.
                    Quote: SK70
                    normal cops came across more often. Not like now. And the bandits were different

                    I already said -
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    You are just very lucky with your social circle

                    It also happened. But far from all such happiness fell.
                    Quote: SK70
                    ... foam is now sitting in the Kremlin

                    Foam in the Kremlin, since 2000, has begun to decline. And the process is ... not fast, it is possible to spoil everything in a minute, and cleaning and tidying up is always a long and costly process.
                    It’s not for you to work in a kiosk request
                  3. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 8 March 2018 22: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack

                    ... I was taught to think ...

                    If you can change something for children and your parents - change.
                    At the same time, you will interfere with my life (and not only, I'm not the only one, believe me) - well ... sorry then, if that.
                    Although for you, apparently, there are plenty of cops too. And whining in the internet is not punishable with us, freedom of speech is with us, you understand.
                    ...

                    You were poorly taught to think if you wrote this without thinking. All your attempts to convince, convince someone, the very presence in VO is all in vain. Will have to reincarnate again, at least. And you don’t draw conclusions from History - “I’m not the only one, believe me,” are you talking about this? About a family with comrades-friends with whom a barbecue under cognac on a picnic? Do not be famously while it is quiet. Little will not seem to anyone. Until now, no one has apologized and is not going to apologize, only stupid surprise remains - what are we for?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 8 March 2018 22: 51
                      +5
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      All your attempts to convince, convince someone, the very presence in VO - everything is in the dark

                      But am I trying to convince someone? Dismiss It is no good, here adults, mostly people.
                      This is me ... purely having fun, here curious instances come across at times.
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      ... What did you mean

                      About people who, despite all these perestroika and perestroika, survived and took place.
                      There are many of them, and I also relate to them. I have some reasons, you know. wink
                      And to arrange another "perestroika" (with an unpredictable outcome, but quite predictable, ahem, consequences. About how.) Personally, I will interfere. Enough already, IMHO.
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      Don't be dashing while it's quiet

                      That's exactly what I tried to convey to your, ahem, predecessor. In vain. Well, and he would have been good with him, he entertained me a little, and thanks for that.
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      Little will not seem to anyone. Until now, no one has apologized and is not going to apologize, only stupid surprise remains - what are we for?

                      What do you mean, something I did not understand?
                      Okay, I’m writing off for the holiday, so be it laughing
                      1. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 8 March 2018 23: 21
                        0
                        You understood everything, it’s fine, but for “write off for the holiday” I’ll put +, and for myself, I’m not vindictive, and not because I’m not evil, just a bad memory.
                        PS Okay, erased the check mark. Perhaps I do not know the background of the dispute with the predecessor, and he provoked.
                      2. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 9 March 2018 15: 15
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                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        But am I trying to convince someone? Dismiss It is no good, here adults, mostly people.
                        This is me ... purely having fun, here curious instances come across at times.
                        You are cunning, to say the least. Rather, combine business with pleasure. Since you explained your motive to the utmost, you even hinted at how far you are willing to go under this motivation. And they claimed that the people have not decided anything for a long time "something like this since the days of Ancient Greece." There are two options: either you put yourself over the people, or you consider yourself the people, and your opponents for b..o. In any case, you are difficult to perceive.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        About people who, despite all these perestroika and perestroika, survived and took place.
                        I really thought about the members of the Beitar organization. I think that here you are also cunning. Many also survived. Held ... a strange concept. Those who made a fortune, probably? In truth, for each other, we will always remain frustrated people. There are simply two truths, and as long as they exist we will argue or, if you like it, have fun.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And arrange another "perestroika" (with an unpredictable outcome, but quite predictable, ahem, consequences. Oh how.) ...
                        I could accept your beliefs if you knew the unpredictability of the outcome and the predictability of the consequences, but it is not. You cannot know this; you can only speculate from historical experience. And in the next story, as an example, two will be indicative of the predictability of the consequences - October 1917 and 1993. And both of them say that the reason for the massacre was not an attempt to change the system, but a response. This is me to the fact that "little will not seem to anyone." And it turns out that from a bad head to a healthy one.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        What do you mean, something I did not understand?

                        If the Bolsheviks had not taken power in October 1917, then Russia would already have disappeared from the map of the World, like the USSR. Without February 1917, there would have been no October 1917, but the logical chain of events, at least with respect to the disappearance of Russia from the map, due to the prevailing conditions, would have remained unchanged. So, October 1917, what about the predictability of the outcome and the unpredictability of the consequences? Then many like you sought to prevent the inevitable, because they believed that everything was fine, you just need to work. "Long and hard." Although you yourself admit that "there is no guarantee that it will work out." And "is this the only sane way?" The country reached the handle, unleashed a civil war, and when it began, it fell under the millstones, as it did, uninvolved. Paul Joseph Goebbels also personally did not kill anyone, but if he had not committed suicide, then according to the results of the Nuremberg trials he would have been among those executed. But in the civil war there are different processes, I do not need to explain to you. I’m talking about surprise - why are we?
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        ... personally, I will interfere

                        Why am I doing this? I understand your position, this has always been the case, your right, if you think that you are acting according to objective trends. But do not overdo it, as in 1917. You have positive experience in 1993 - with the help of Beitar, in particular. But the situation is different, here a comprehensive assessment is needed, or the help of the West.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        ... Enough already, IMHO.

                        As Berl Lazar advised the Russian people that there is no need to blame the Jews for all sins, study dialectical materialism and you will be happy. I understood that this nation has great respect for this doctrine, and it follows from it, in particular, that "evolution and revolution are two necessary elements of the dialectical development process." That is, everything has its time, if allowed, then what is ripe. So what are we talking about? What is enough, what do you want to prevent - your outrage? Moreover, we do not have a revolution on the nose, but only elections.
  50. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 12: 26
    +3
    Quote: SK70
    USSR probably know by calofilms?

    Just do not consider yourself old and wise .... you and Privalov - in one team.
    I was born under Khrushchev.
    Still in doubt?
    1. SK70
      SK70 8 March 2018 13: 14
      0
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Just do not consider yourself old and wise .... you and Privalov - in one team.

      I'm not old yet.
      And who is Privalov?
      I’m just watching 5 for years now.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: SK70
        I’m just watching 5 for years now.

        In social networks, are we picking up the mind?
        "Saw, Shura ..."
        wassat
        1. SK70
          SK70 8 March 2018 13: 26
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          In social networks, are we picking up the mind?
          "Saw, Shura ..."

          This is not mine either. Do not judge people by yourself.
          So who is Privalov?
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 8 March 2018 14: 52
      0
      Huge doubtsThere is no such faith as you. I am sure that you passed the exam a couple of years ago.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 14: 55
        +3
        Sin ....
        Or hangover ...
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          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 16: 52
            +2
            Woke up?
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