In Syria, crashed An-26 RFL. 32 man died

The Information Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation publishes urgent information about the crash of a military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria. From the message:

6 March around 15.00 (Moscow time) during the landing approach at the Khmeimim airfield the Russian transport aircraft An-26 crashed. According to preliminary data, the 26 passenger and 6 crew members were aboard the aircraft. They all died.

It is known that the plane fell, about half a kilometer from the airfield runway.

It is necessary to study the circumstances of the crash up to the consideration of the version of the error of the pilots or a strike on the Russian plane from the ground.

It is noted that one of the versions of what happened is the possible technical malfunction of the aircraft.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reports the formation of the commission, which should establish the causes of the collapse of the transport worker.

Data on who exactly was on board the aircraft that crashed near the Hmeymim airbase in the province of Lattakia, at this moment (16: 50 Moscow time) is not given.

It was added that there was no fire impact on An-26.

Comments

[Thrall]

Everlasting memory!

[Dimontius]

But what kind of innovations are such constantly ((((

[Crowe]

There is no war without sacrifices! The kingdom of heaven to all the lost.

[Monos]

Again “Antonov” ... We, interestingly, still cooperate with them? Well, there, spare parts, service ... Maybe someone was hired from Antonov?
Peace be upon you, Lord, souls that have gone to You.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Monos

Maybe someone was hired from Antonov?

wait for the investigation, the kingdom of heaven to them

[Shurik70]

Quote: Crowe

There is no war without sacrifices! The kingdom of heaven to all the lost.

So then the war. Only we have too much without war
: ((

[210ox]

We don’t cooperate on military topics. Maybe something is left through the Belarusians. You understand that we don’t have anything to replace the ANov park yet. The kingdom of heaven is for our soldiers ..

Quote: Monos

Again “Antonov” ... We, interestingly, still cooperate with them? Well, there, spare parts, service ... Maybe someone was hired from Antonov?
Peace be upon you, Lord, souls that have gone to You.

[Monos]

Dima, hello For some reason, I recall the partisans who threw mines at tenders of locomotives, camouflaged under coal. I would check everything related to Ukraine a hundred times.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Monos

For some reason, I recall the partisans who threw mines at tenders of locomotives, camouflaged under coal. I would check everything related to Ukraine a hundred times.

The "black box" was found at the crash site of the An-26 aircraft in Syria. He was delivered to the base in Khmeimim, reports iz.ru correspondent Semen Pegov.

[Svarog51]

Victor Let's wait with the conclusions. It is very incomprehensible.
My deepest condolences to the relatives of the victims.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Svarog51

Let's wait with the conclusions.

so I wrote about the same thing above, they do everything quickly, so the investigation will not be long

[Svarog51]

Well, don’t tell, anything can happen. This is not a civilian airport plane crashed. They could contribute there.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Svarog51

They could contribute there.

agree - never say no when

[Svarog51]

Very likely. But while there is no evidence, I’ll be silent.

[Pete mitchell]

Sergey present
Honestly, there are no words, but we must wait for the information.
The Kingdom of heaven..

[Svarog51]

Greetings Tramp It is necessary to wait for information, which in vain to make assumptions, here I completely agree.
People feel sorry for the pain. My condolences. The competent commission will understand. Let's wait with conclusions.

[Pete mitchell]

I welcome Sergey again. Sorry for people madly .. Levashovskys like, commander '96 release

[NN52]

Svarog51

And the conclusions on Su 24 voiced? In October which ...

[Svarog51]

How so? They would live and live, but here ... I don’t even know what to say.

[Monos]

Greetings, Sergey

Quote: Svarog51

Let's wait with the conclusions. It is very incomprehensible.

I agree, of course. Just ... Paranoid I.

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: Monos

Again "Antonov" ...

it’s not a matter of “antochas,” then we will return to this topic, but now
My condolences to family and friends.

[donavi49]

Well, the past Antonov crashed the crew (or rather Pravak) because of a lack of training. Most likely they were prepared according to another program (not using the requirements and recommendations of an international organization) - therefore they were lost. Although for Boeing / Watermelon after 757 crashed - due to the false signal "Speeding", they transferred to idle engines and fell off, the training programs were substantially rewritten. Now for Boeing / Watermelon - the standard of training is the consideration of situations with speed (going to zero, different indications, speeding), as well as these scenarios are included in the list of sudden accidents when passing the stage on the simulator.

Here is the IAC decryption.
Aircraft Commander: Up! Here.
Co-pilot: Now, now.
FAC: And you're down ..
VP: In general, some garbage!
PIC: No, well, as I understand it, you wanted it ... But you're on the contrary, down.
VP: Then we will talk. So, we control everything!
FAC: Everything, everything is fine.
VP: Everything, speed normalized.
Autoinformer: Compare speed, compare speed.
VP: Op-op-op! 390!
CF: Where is it down ?! Where are you down? Why down ?! Where?!
Autoinformer: Compare speed, compare speed.
VP: Yes, because n is good, 200 speed, b!
FAC: Height! Height! Height!
Autoinformer: Terrain ahead! Pull up! Terrain ahead!
FAC: Top!
Autoinformer: Terrain ahead! Pull up! Terrain ahead!
FAC: Everything, p.


Pravak caught the reflex - to prevent stalling, nose down, that's all. Although they went at cruising speed. According to the instructions for such a malfunction, they had to level the plane, check the cruising mode of the engines (throttle and indicators, then report to the ground, while choosing 2 independent sources of speed indicators (for example, the speed of approach to the beacon + GPS).

[Town Hall]

Quote: donavi49

Although for a Boeing / Watermelon after crashed 757

What case do you mean with 757? As far as I remember, a catastrophe for a similar reason occurred with Airbus flying from Rio to Paris over the Atlantic in 2008. It seems that the French for two years then searched for black boxes using submarines.

[donavi49]

Turkish side in the Caribbean. Where wasps got into Pitot’s pipe. Therefore, at the FAC - the speed went off the scale and the signal “Overspeeding” was on, as the computer took all the information from the faulty handset by default. They reduced gas to idle and fell off.

[Town Hall]

Exactly, but the case that I was talking about is the same. They got into a thunderstorm and Pitot’s pipes froze. The commander was sleeping. He replaced the trainee. He lifted his nose and put the plane into a flat corkscrew. They awoke the FAC until he arrived and realized what the trainee was doing -the plane was ruined


EMNIP after the case in the Caribbean there was a requirement to cover the pitot tubes in the parking lots. And after Airbus, the tubes themselves were modified

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Town Hall

EMNIP after the case in the Caribbean there was a requirement to cover the pitot tubes in the parking lots

Air pressure receivers cover for any parking longer than a certain period. In Soviet times, it was three hours under favorable weather conditions. And they’ve been doing this for more than half a century, there hasn’t even been an Airbus. :)

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Town Hall

Airbus flying from Rio to Paris over the Atlantic in 2008

Air France 744, it was defeated: the second pilot was sitting on the right, the second pilot was sitting there at that moment and on the left; the captain was resting, in the end he “jammed” the right one with the joystick taken over, they didn’t notice this, the captain returned, they noticed late ... The plane, the fly-by-wire sau worked perfectly, the plane crashed with a constant pitch angle.
The French even brought in atomic submarines.

[NN52]

Pete
Hi!

I join in the condolences on the forum of our colleagues ...

But as I understand it, the An 26 flew there constantly, and not from Russia ... So the crew is experienced ... Apparently SURE the technical failure is irrevocable ...

[Pete mitchell]

Gamarjoba Genatsvale, a sad day ..
I think -26 on the "sandbox" like a bus drove. Let's wait for the information, to be honest - the head does not accept, it cannot be, it should not.

[Wasiliy1985]

PPC, really: I’m only going to fly by day flights !!! Why, the LDPE with GPS on a smartphone is not fate to compare ?! Have you eaten the night overboard ?! Ask smart stewardess and commander ..
My Chinese also GLONASS catches ..

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: donavi49

Pravak caught a reflex - to prevent stall

It is unfortunate that he did not develop another reflex: to use all the information, but it was. And the airliner is instrument flights and the main reflex here is to use instruments, and they worked, there was something to work with. I think St. Peter greeted him with a good drin ... I had to learn the materiel, not open my mouth ..

[Alexander 3]

Disasters have been and will be, no matter what they fly on. This is a technique plus the human factor. Earth in peace for the dead.

[Scoun]

Quote: Alexander 3

Disasters have been and will be, no matter what they fly on.

Once a plane with a hockey team .., a plane with Alexandrov’s choir ... I’m afraid there were specialists too. (((

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Again “Antonov” ... We, interestingly, still cooperate with them? Well, there, spare parts, service ... Maybe someone was hired from Antonov?

What does this have to do with it ?! Now more often mediocre pilots are ruining people because instead of studying they are engaged in shooting videos with dances for Satisfaction ...

There was the second pilot of the An-148, not only did he forget to turn on the sensor heater, he also mixed up actions in a critical situation, despite the warnings of the first pilot and equipment ...

Tolboev said correctly in the Federal Air Transport Agency they are not training pilots, but killers ... And military pilots are no better ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And thirdly, you better not even stutter about military pilots, mu ... k ...

Wow, what a talkative ... For all the pilots through the fault of which the people crashed ready to answer ?!

Well, let's justify the crew of the An-148 crashed in the suburbs, the Tu-154 crashed near Sochi with the Turetsky choir (there were military pilots there), what else was there from the recent Sukhoi Superjet in Malaysia ... What were the reasons there ?! Is it not in the actions of the crews, but the hero ?!

And anyway, remind me when the equipment was to blame for the crash in Russia ?! I don’t remember any of the last ...

Well, which of us is mu .... k ?!

I’ve seen military pilots in Chechnya, so don’t tell me how cool you are ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I saw military pilots in Chechnya

Well? What are the complaints? Speak? Here my classmate pulled out a group of special forces from the environment, no one was injured in the turntable, the car was written off. Got something to add?
You are sorry, but it seems to me you are not so hot as you understand the intricacies, you fly? No, well, good luck
PS Military, civilian pilots act "here and now" and before asking questions: first, learn to formulate them correctly; and secondly, think whether you are running ahead of the engine.
'Half a second' now has the right to ask questions, but can you also answer?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Of course there is, if you are interested in sharing ...

somehow we didn’t take the patient off the border outpost, he died, although there were always helicopters in Tushor and Khankala, there weren’t always pilots ready to take them up in the air and complete the task, often the pilots flew just drunk, they still have discipline ... Never in my 9 years of service in Chechnya have I seen anyone with appendicitis or something else being taken to the hospital by helicopter, but you know, removing a person from a mountain outpost is a big problem ... We also nearly lost a soldier , they removed it from the outpost for several hours, while sepsis started on all the streamers, the doctors would say another 30 minutes and the deceased ...

during the war with Georgia, one attack aircraft bombed near one of our border outposts, either so stupid that it couldn’t get through Georgia, or just a coward, dropped bombs and went home - like, look, the hero I spent all the b / c ...

about how the pilots speculated at exorbitant prices with cigarettes and other things when the border outposts were just set up in Chechnya and naturally there were problems with many things I don’t even want to say, it's just nasty, about how to sell water in the desert for the price of black caviar ..

So the pilots are no different from everyone else and I don’t need to tell me that they are all saints ...
No, I don’t want to be misunderstood and I say that ALL pilots are bad, no, most of them are really professionals and a hero like Roman Phillipov, but among them more and more amateurs began to come across, who fall into their places through tricks and bribes, and the result is a disaster and a lot of victims ... Only recently there was a disaster, where a civilian pilot was a technician with some kind of left access to flights, he crashed a working plane, just could not perform a second landing approach. The other board with the Lokomotiv hockey team, the Yak-42, took off with the brakes pressed, could not pick up speed, crashed into a beacon ... What is this ?! These are problems of the selection and training system for pilots !!!

You can tear one place for your own military branch and civil aviation as much as you like, but the fact remains that there are more and more accidents in Russia connected with airplanes and as a rule they are all due to pilot mistakes ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

but the fact remains that there are more and more accidents in Russia connected with airplanes and, as a rule, all of them are due to pilot mistakes ...

Probably there is a reasonable grain in your words, I somehow came across a different attitude to business. By and large, the Russian Federation is now dismantling the consequences of the mess of the 90s and probably a lot of time will pass before the situation changes. The army is a reflection of the State, with all its joys and problems.
The famous “human factor” is the cause of three quarters of flight accidents worldwide, a system error and we must look for the reasons.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

about how the pilots speculated

Excuse me, but didn’t try to fill your face at a remote outpost? I think it would help

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

attack aircraft bombed near one of our border outposts

This is a system problem, planning, believe me. And not only Russian VKS.
During the first war in the Gulf, two British armored vehicles jumped forward and ran into two Amer A-10: 9 corpses. Do not believe me, the situation is the same in the second war: the Britons were not taken aback - only the wounded

[Flyer_64]

I’ve seen military pilots in Chechnya, so don’t tell me how cool you are.

Like all one measure. Driver??? Drive a car ??? How many per week dies on the road? How many are drunk? How many dashing and not adequate ??? And how many boors, thugs on the road ??? Already used to. We do not notice, do not discuss, get used to it, do not brand, do not disgrace. I do not argue there are pilots who are not very
with a good reputation, but they are few. Nothing stigmatizes everyone.

[NN52]

Ratmir_Ryazan

Well YOU gave ...
You mixed military and civil pilots in a heap ... Your opus on this topic could not be ignored ...
Perhaps you were in Chechnya, walking with a dog, and you didn’t have enough cigarettes, poor thing ... Do you know how many turntables were filled up in Chechnya? And about the drunk pilots, this is generally a masterpiece .... Isn’t it embarrassing to say that? On alcohol, it’s unrealistic not only to put a fighter, but a turntable too ...

Concerning the coward's dropping of bombs near the type outpost in the Georgian conflict, BREDDDDDD .....

With military pilots, upon receipt, no one gives a bribe, not really .... Medicine ...
And it would be better if I apologized on the site for my words to military pilots ///
And I don’t refuse my words to you, unless of course you apologize ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

“It is very difficult for me as a professional to say this, but the reason for the death of the An-148 aircraft is the completely unprepared crew. Why did this happen? It is necessary to ask Neradko in the Federal Air Transport Agency; he is responsible for this. Pilots did everything wrong, some mistakes, the so-called human factor, they killed people! Now there are no pilots - only pokes, operators - poke at the buttons, not understanding anything. Therefore, catastrophes in our country are worse than the other — Kazan, Yaroslavl and so on, ”said Magomed Tolboev.

In your opinion, he is also wrong, too, mu..k ?!

[Town Hall]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

“It is very difficult for me as a professional to say this, but the reason for the death of the An-148 aircraft is the completely unprepared crew. Why did this happen? It is necessary to ask Neradko in the Federal Air Transport Agency; he is responsible for this. Pilots did everything wrong, some mistakes, the so-called human factor, they killed people! Now there are no pilots - only pokes, operators - poke at the buttons, not understanding anything. Therefore, catastrophes in our country are worse than the other — Kazan, Yaroslavl and so on, ”said Magomed Tolboev.

In your opinion, he is also wrong, too, mu..k ?!

And what is this character so famous for besides the nonsense that carries on TV every time as a disaster? ... what are his competencies in piloting civilian aircraft?



Pilot mistakes are different. There is gagging and negligence.


And there are pilots mistakes, for example, because the technique is imperfect. For example, in the An-140 crash, why didn’t the electronics react to the fact that the LDPE heating toggle switch is not turned on? ... because the electronics is backward and does not insure the pilot’s error. But changing to a better one is big money. it’s easier for all pilots to write off.


Py.Sy.why pilots were not ready for such an emergency? ... why weren’t they prepared? ... who lets out unprepared pilots on the line? ... Who gives them “rights”?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Town Hall

what is this character so famous for besides the nonsense that it carries on TV every time as a disaster? ... what are his competencies in piloting civilian aircraft?

Just applaud you town hall, removed from the tongue. With great respect for Talboev as a tester, but when he starts talking about civil aviation, well, I'm sorry. His name is in gold letters in our school, but his theses on civilians, even unpleasant to listen, babble.
And you ask the right questions, who would answer

[Pingo]

He speaks correctly. The Federal Air Transport Agency has long said that the transcript of negotiations in the press is fake. The superjet dispatcher pointed to the mountain, and then he himself disappeared somewhere.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And what is this character so famous for besides the nonsense that carries on TV every time as a disaster? ... what are his competencies in piloting civilian aircraft?

Tolboev Magomed Omarovich, the reserve major major, test pilot, was also the Buran’s test cosmonaut, the hero of Russia ... That's how you put it, “character”, he’s certainly far from local “experts”, but still a man with a big experience ...
And he gives comments to the media, because they turn to him for them as one of the aviation professionals ...

Are you sure that the pilots did not burn the sensor, that the LDPE heater is not turned on ?! But I don’t ... Just in the light of recent disasters, this does not look fantastic, in Yaroslavl the Yak-42 takes off on brakes, in Indonesia, a pilot performing a demonstration flight in a mountainous area turned off the ground-warning device !!! How is that even possible ?!

The result is sad ... Technique is becoming more reliable and reliable, but not professionalism and frank mediocrity and stupidity of the crews neutralize all this and lead to disaster ... And the sooner the realization of this comes, the faster something will begin to change ...

[Town Hall]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And what is this character so famous for besides the nonsense that carries on TV every time as a disaster? ... what are his competencies in piloting civilian aircraft?

Tolboev Magomed Omarovich, the reserve major major, test pilot, was also the Buran’s test cosmonaut, the hero of Russia ... That's how you put it, “character”, he’s certainly far from local “experts”, but still a man with a big experience ...
And he gives comments to the media, because they turn to him for them as one of the aviation professionals ...

Are you sure that the pilots did not burn the sensor, that the LDPE heater is not turned on ?! But I don’t ... Just in the light of recent disasters, this does not look fantastic, in Yaroslavl the Yak-42 takes off on brakes, in Indonesia, a pilot performing a demonstration flight in a mountainous area turned off the ground-warning device !!! How is that even possible ?!

The result is sad ... Technique is becoming more reliable and reliable, but not professionalism and frank mediocrity and stupidity of the crews neutralize all this and lead to disaster ... And the sooner the realization of this comes, the faster something will begin to change ...

Talboev is the same Buran test pilot like you or me.


The Hero Star for his ability to fly on MiGs does not add to him a single gram of knowledge in the field of piloting passenger airplanes. This proves nonsense about "pilots who can only press buttons." That's just the fact that the safety of civilian aircraft consists precisely in time and in the proper investigation press all the buttons. And the "pros" neglecting this and the beginners "barrels" twist, kill themselves and passengers. Like a test pilot Supepjet.



He gives interviews all the time because the same “pros” work on TV as he does. This person spoke out about all the disasters over the past decades. Try to compare the nonsense of this unfortunate predictor with the real reasons published after the investigation. Shame and disgrace, but continues every time you make everyone laugh again.


In specific cases, what did you indicate. By Yak-42. Who is responsible for the pilot who previously flew on the Yak-40, whose brake pedal is arranged differently, was allowed to fly on the Yak-42, without appropriate retraining in violation all the rules when moving from one type of aircraft to another? He kept his feet on the pedals as it should be when taking off the Yak-40 and not the Yak-42 .. Is this the fault of the pilot or the System in which it is possible (airlines, regulatory authorities, etc.)?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I don’t understand, what do you want to say that the pilots have nothing to do with it ?!

With the same Yak-42, well, since you can’t control it, you don’t know where its brakes turn off - well then don’t get into the cab !!! In Indonesia, the newest Sukhoi Superjet 100 crashed there, is electronics also to blame ?! Which is probably still not Russian, like so much more in it ?! To blame for what, the pilot himself disabled the warning system with the ground ?! Recently, there was only a catastrophe where the pilot simply could not cope with the second approach, it turned out that he was some kind of technician all the time, and received the pilot certificate in some kind of left-handed cantor ...

Since such pilots, it is naturally the fault of the system, and it is obvious that something needs to be changed ...

Take a look at the statistics of air crashes in Russia - they are huge and the reasons are often in the mistakes of pilots -

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Town Hall

to compare the nonsense of this sorrow of the predictor with the real reasons published after the investigation. Shame and disgrace, but each time continues to make everyone laugh again.

And what did he tell the Russians about the disaster over Lake Baden / Tu-154 moved the B-757 / told, in general, nonsense

[BASTA]

..first, - * prayer * must be read .., secondly, perform it by all members of the crew (whoever is affected by this -read item). No need to blame an electrician if the instructions on the card are not always followed ((

[Dude]

This one, in general, is fabulous ... Though a Hero, and

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

“It is very difficult for me as a professional to say this, but the reason for the death of the An-148 aircraft is the completely unprepared crew. Why did this happen? It is necessary to ask Neradko in the Federal Air Transport Agency; he is responsible for this. Pilots did everything wrong, some mistakes, the so-called human factor, they killed people! Now there are no pilots - only pokes, operators - poke at the buttons, not understanding anything. Therefore, catastrophes in our country are worse than the other — Kazan, Yaroslavl and so on, ”said Magomed Tolboev.

In your opinion, he is also wrong, too, mu..k ?!

There was already a discussion of the An-148 catastrophe, I expressed everything there about the pilots of civil aviation. It discusses the disaster of the military side, and even in the area of ​​hostilities. Therefore, I do not see an analogy between the citizens and the military. An-26 is not an analogue of arbases and Boeing. If you compare by analogy, this is a Soviet car of the last century. There is nothing to operate on it, you need to steer, and hard. In the previous post I expressed everything. Yes, your statements on the Caucasus operation to force peace, also out of place. At one time, I distributed cigarettes on outposts to fighters in batches, although I myself do not smoke, and chocolate. Because for 2500-3000 after unloading the helicopter they barely drag their legs. And during the coercion operation, they fired at me; they did not like camouflage. So that.

[ARES623]

Quote: Crowe

There is no war without victims

And what does the war have to do with it? Something often began to fall passenger aircraft of our Ministry of Defense .... A year ago, the Tu-154, today the An-26 .... In both cases, the external impact is denied. It remains, for the most part, the organization and provision of air transportation in the Moscow Region.
The kingdom of heaven and the eternal memory of the lost. Condolences to the family ....

[ivanec]

Do you think EW?

[ARES623]

Quote: ivanec

Do you think EW?

It’s hard to believe anything. We must wait for the results of the investigation. Fortune-telling on coffee grounds is not a thankful task.

[NEOZ]

Quote: ivanec

Do you think EW?

EW in front of Hmeimim? AN26 ???
yes, come on .....

[ivanec]

.... and what is surprising if in Moscow planes shot down snowplows.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: ivanec

.... and what is surprising if in Moscow planes shot down snowplows.

This means that electronic warfare against the An-26 is not serious. Even if you somehow manage to burn all of his lamps and transistors (and such an EM pulse, PMSM, will also burn REBovets equipment), then the electrician and pneumatics will not be able to burn like that. Horizons, bar altimeters and airspeed indicators will continue to work. And more for a safe landing and is not necessary, in the sense of instrumentation. Engine control there, and at all, mechanical and hydraulic.

[Falcond]

Overload must be assumed

[keeper03]

What an overload ?! The board did not reach 500 m. To the strip !!!
The kingdom of heaven to the dead and condolences to relatives!

[BASTA]

Quote: FalconD

Overload must be assumed

No need to come up with versions (especially stupid ..) - overload is dangerous during take-off .., well, not at all during landing .. when the fuel is exhausted during the flight ...

[Crowe]

Quote: ARES623

And what does the war have to do with it?

If it weren’t for the war, the plane wouldn’t be there. But...
Is this an isolated tragedy? Is it during war only battle losses?

[ARES623]

Quote: Crowe

If it weren’t for the war, the plane wouldn’t be there.

Well, if it weren’t for the Wright brothers, not Mozhaisk ... ...... there wouldn’t be any air crashes, like a phenomenon.

[Falcond]

You haven’t chosen a place for wit, it’s inappropriate here

[ARES623]

Quote: FalconD

No place you chose

With you, dear, I didn’t drink vodka, and therefore keep your distance .... And my comment calls not to draw the ears of the war, as the cause of death, in those incidents where there are signs of systemic problems of the videoconferencing.

[Separ]

Because the planes are already old and they are all being exploited.

[Stas Snezhin]

Strange, the whole way flew by, and such.
Maybe when landing, instrumentation sensors misled the pilots ..

[Falcond]

These pilots in a pack of Belomor can fly ... what devices do they have in front of the lane?

[Svarog]

Quote: Crowe

There is no war without sacrifices! The kingdom of heaven to all the lost.

So here it is still not clear war is again negligence .. At least in civil aviation we have a full tryndets .. so many planes fall only with us, if in three years in the world 2 planes fall, then we have 10 .. And neither of which does not change .. All the rules .. Everything in its place ..

[Svarog51]

Without politics, no matter how? PEOPLE are dead! Well, what kind of people are you? Planes are falling all over the world, and you all want to tie them to something. Vladimir, well, not everything is so measured.

[Svarog]

Quote: Svarog51

Without politics, no matter how? PEOPLE are dead! Well, what kind of people are you? Planes are falling all over the world, and you all want to tie them to something. Vladimir, well, not everything is so measured.

Yes, what kind of politics is it ... that's it people are dying .. and who is responsible? I think from condolences it will not become much easier who, due to negligence and sloppiness, loses loved ones ..

[Thrall]

MO seems to have called a preliminary cause a technical malfunction.

[Looking for]

Throw what kind of malfunction they are. "The plane took off. Flew the entire route and nothing, but as soon as it was in ideal conditions for an attack from the ground. (Restrictions on maneuver, altitude, speed) -so immediately those malfunction.

[vlad66]

Quote: Seeker

Throw what kind of malfunction they are. "The plane took off. Flew the entire route and nothing, but as soon as it was in ideal conditions for an attack from the ground. (Restrictions on maneuver, altitude, speed) -so immediately those malfunction.

You were there and you saw, maybe better, more accurate conclusions will wait ah? And how something will happen a bunch of experts from sofas connects and conspiracy theorists. The dead is eternal memory. Mourn

[Angel_and_Demon]

17:14 Telegram channel Mash reports that this An-26 was assigned to the 6th VKS army, was seconded to Syria and was based at the Khmeimim airfield.

so he didn’t fly half the planet

[Cutter]

Eternal memory and eternal peace! I feel sorry for my relatives ... I would have had the strength to survive such a tragedy ....

[Angel_and_Demon]

18:09 Again, unofficial data. Telegram channel WarGonzo reports that eyewitnesses of the crash of the plane got in touch. According to them, during the landing of the An-26, it was very tilted, "sat almost sideways."
18:05 In the publics of various terrorist groups operating in Syria - silence. No one claimed responsibility for the attack on the aircraft, which indirectly confirms the main version: the An-26 was not shot down.

[Angel_and_Demon]

17:20 According to Mash, the An-26 took off from the Kvayres airfield in the suburbs of Aleppo, after which it made two intermediate landings and headed for Khmeimim.

[dzvero]

Before Khmeimim, he made two intermediate landings (according to forumavia.ru). Waited in the bushes? This is not a scheduled passenger liner. Most likely the malfunction of the materiel or wind shear or microburst, and the pilots did not have enough time, altitude and speed to get out of the situation on the glide path.

[Flyer_64]

Most likely the malfunction of the materiel or the shear of the wind or microburst, and on the glide path the pilots did not have enough time, altitude and speed to get out of the situation

The approach to Khmeimim is built on a steep glide path, and at a speed slightly higher than on a standard glide path. The plane flew a third of Syria. And events from Syria are filtered. What happened at the intermediate landings and along the route we do not know. If we analyze the case of the Su-25, then the command of the group did not assume that the drying could be attacked from the ground. An-26 reliable aircraft. We are waiting for the officials to say. But I will say half the truth.

[Full name]

Quote: Letun_64

The approach to Khmeimim is built on a steep glide path, and at a speed slightly higher than on a standard glide path.

I am not special in this area, but explain if this anti-aircraft maneuver, in fact diving from a great height with large overloads at the exit, could have caused a catastrophe, given the fatigue of aircraft structures that are already over 30?

[Cook]

This plane, which would collapse in the air, must be subjected to an overload value of 4G for a long time. Even in the process of various kinds of extreme approaches, such an overload does not occur. Well, about the cases of the destruction of the aircraft in the air due to structural defects or design fatigue, I have not heard anything since the time of the catastrophes with the An-10 and Lockheed Electra. And about An-12 and An-26, they said: "Glory to the Soviet steelworkers"

[Full name]

Quote: Cook

we said: "Glory to the Soviet steelworkers"

No doubt, the Soviet - glory. But if I’m not mistaken, the fatigue is characterized by the fact that the load necessary for the destruction of metal is greatly reduced in the presence of a cyclic load, and if it is not scary for a brand new aircraft and 4G, then for a 40-year-old veteran 1G can be fatal. Although I repeat, I do not insist, just a version.

[BASTA]

Allow me to explain a little ..: ..- that after a certain flying hours the aircraft (LA) passes the regulations in the fuel and energy sector .., where with an instrument, so special .. the entire aircraft body rings for the presence of microcracks. So dear ones, you can be calm on this side.

[Genry]

Quote: Seeker

Throw what kind of malfunction they are. "The plane took off. Flew the entire route and nothing, but as soon as it was in ideal conditions for an attack from the ground. (Restrictions on maneuver, altitude, speed) -so immediately those malfunction.

Here, a sharp change in conditions, different air temperatures (near the sea) and confusion in altitude could play.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Seeker

Throw what kind of malfunction they are. "The plane took off. Flew the entire route and nothing, but as soon as it was in ideal conditions for an attack from the ground. (Restrictions on maneuver, altitude, speed) -so immediately those malfunction.

Most accidents occur on takeoff and landing.

[Falcond]

Do not dust, the bulk of accidents on takeoff and landing

[igor1981]

Quote: Seeker

Throw what kind of malfunction they are. "The plane took off. Flew the entire route and nothing, but as soon as it was in ideal conditions for an attack from the ground. (Restrictions on maneuver, altitude, speed) -so immediately those malfunction.

That's right. Something is wrong here. 500 m to the strip is very low and the speed is low. If the engines, then why not planned and did not sit on the ground. So sharply fell and the fuel exploded. tanks on the ground ... Let's see what the MO says.

[Angel_and_Demon]

"According to the report, there was no fire on the plane," the RF Defense Ministry added. https://www.unian.net/world/10032848-tehnicheskay
a-neispravnost-poyavilis-podrobnosti-krusheniya-r
ossiyskogo-an-26-v-sirii.html
Preliminary cause of the disaster
According to preliminary information, the cause of the disaster could be a technical malfunction. The Ministry of Defense noted that, "according to the report, there was no fire on the plane." https://ria.ru/syria/20180306/1515873899.html

[kapitan92]

Quote: Thrall

MO seems to have called a preliminary cause a technical malfunction.

Now will begin the "fantasies of zhurnalyug and bloggers," the joyous bleating of hohloman.

An-26 transporter, crashed in Syria, was assigned to the 6th Army of the Russian Air Force, based in Khmeimim.

The plane was based at a Syrian airfield as seconded to Syria, according to the Mash Telegram channel.

It is also noted that Major Smirnov was at the helm of the aircraft, and several civilians were on board. A plane took off from the Quiires airfield in the suburbs of Aleppo, made two intermediate landings and headed for Hmeimim.

https://vz.ru/news/2018/3/6/911365.html
We can only wait for reliable info from the MO!

[Falcond]

We can only wait for reliable info from the MO

will you wait ...? especially reliable

[kapitan92]

Quote: FalconD

We can only wait for reliable info from the MO

will you wait ...? especially reliable

It all depends on what mission he performed, and the composition of passengers on board. The simplest thing for MO is a technical malfunction.) IMHO)

[Fortnite]

Quote: Dimontius

what kind of innovations are such

You would have such "obsessions!" !! The most catastrophe ... The kingdom of heaven is innocently murdered!

[Karakurt]

Quote: Fornit

Quote: Dimontius

what kind of innovations are such

You would have such "obsessions!" !! The most catastrophe ... The kingdom of heaven is innocently murdered!

No need to glow and cling to the words, this will not make it easier for the family !!!!!! Soul Cries and Heart Hurts !!!!! Everything is very BAD

[Kent0001]

It’s just that the plane was 153 years old and this is AN. Or send techies to Magadan (if the reason is really technical). We are ruining too many of our people just like that. There, combat losses were less than killed in two passenger flights ... and probably the chief of transport aviation must retire for a long time, people will be more whole. There are no words. Everlasting memory.

[Falcond]

retiree chief of transport aviation

First, a plane

[vlad66]

Quote: ankon

It is necessary to change the power in the elections of March 18, 2018, to vote for other people. It is a pity that Russian people do not always think about

Listen, dear people, you would have turned off with elections and campaigning on another branch, here PEOPLE Died, and not campaigning for one or the other.

[Svarog51]

You do not like Russia. And as a FORMER military, do not honor the SUPREME COMMANDER. You just need to throw it on the fan, apparently "suffered" during the service from the "excess of zeal." Otherwise, where is such hatred?

[SK70]

Quote: ankon

Friends, hello!
This is not an obsession, but a mess created in our army by Putin’s oligarchs V.V. and his surroundings. You look, how much bragging Putin issued, addressing the message to the Federal Assembly. as the media write, the speech lasted two hours, during which time the president talked about pensions, the economy and new weapons. Did you notice which planes our pilots fly on? On the old, still made in the USSR! The downed SU-25, an old reliable attack aircraft, but did not have modern missile defense! Sent to the war in a simplified form (no money, but you hold on). For the 18 years of the reign of Mr. President, new attack aircraft have not been built! The crashed AN-26 aircraft was produced in the Soviet Union, it is also many years old. According to official data (voiced during the debate by Boldyrev Yu.Yu., proxy of Grudinin Pavel), during the reign of Putin, 750 billion US dollars were withdrawn from the country. How much good can be done for the people of Russia with these huge funds? But today greedy people in power, not sparing the people, which leads us into the abyss. It is necessary to change the power in the elections of March 18, 2018, to vote for other people. It is a pity that Russian people do not always think about the causes of the disasters. The kingdom of heaven is lost. Sincerely, Anatoly Kon .. SPb.

Your arguments are correct, but you have chosen the wrong branch.
Wrong place for sracha.

[SK70]

Rest in peace.
But it’s strange. There was no investigation, and the Moscow Region immediately emphasized the absence of fire damage.

[Strategy]

OWNERS

[LeonidL]

Remember such "random" obsessions happened during the Perestroika period ... And look at the statistics of fires for the last year and the previous one ... Add the number of false calls about mining and the oil painting will develop instantly. If the planes fall ... someone needs it.

[Lord of the Sith]

Everlasting memory! Again, like passenger An.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Sith Lord

Everlasting memory!

...............................................

[LiSiCyn]

Vladyka, hello !!!
There are simply no words ... We are just starting to move away from one emergency ... And now, on you .. Eternal memory ... Earth rest in peace ...
What kind of explosion, in Maryinka ??

[Black_Vatnik]

It is unlikely that it will be possible to blame here on gouging. All the same, Moscow Region is not civil aviation with stripper cadets.

[kapitan92]

The kingdom of heaven to the lost! Condolences to family and friends.

[Lord of the Sith]

Losses of the military aviation of the Russian Federation in 2017:
MiG – 31 - 1
MiG – 29kub - 1
An – 26 - 1
Tu – 22M3 - 1
Yak – 130 - 1
Su – 24M - 1
Only 6 units.

Losses of the U.S. Military Aviation in 2017:
T – 38 - 1
T – 45 - 2
A – 29 - 1
U – 28 - 1
F – 16 - 3
F – 5 - 1
Su – 27 - 1
F – 18 - 1
A – 10 - 2
V – 22 - 3
UH – 60 - 6
CH – 3 - 2
MH – 47 - 1
C – 130 - 1
C – 2 - 1
UAV - 4
Only 31 units. (including 4 strike UAVs)

[Meliodous]

And are the clock data attached to these numbers? They stopuds fly more often, therefore they fight more often.

[Lord of the Sith]

Below answered, already two years, each unit is smaller than ours. But due to the larger number of units than ours, the total number of hours is greater.

[Town Hall]

The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that the Mi-06.10.2017 helicopter was lost in Hama on 28/XNUMX/XNUMX. Somewhat earlier, militants said they shot down a Russian helicopter
According to the Ministry of Defense, the car made a hard landing for technical reasons. The crew survived and was evacuated.


On December 31, 2017, the Mi-24 combat helicopter of the Russian Aerospace Forces crashed 15 km from the Ham airport in Syria. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, both pilots died as a result of a hard landing. The helicopter's flight technician was injured and was quickly evacuated by a search and rescue team to the Khmeimim airfield, where he received the necessary medical assistance. The Russian military department reported that the cause of the disaster was a technical malfunction, “there was no fire impact on the Mi-24


2 Yak-130 in 1 day in June, landing on the "belly". With them what?

[Lord of the Sith]

In the internet, all these breakdowns are. Look and Yak-130

[Town Hall]

There are no helicopters in your lists. And the Americans have counted. The list is unreliable

[Lord of the Sith]

Invalid or incomplete?

[Town Hall]

When comparative statistics are incomplete, they are unreliable

[purple]

Quote: Town Hall

When comparative statistics are incomplete, they are unreliable

If you are unable to subtract addition, simple arithmetic functions ... then this is generally ... well, you understand

[Archivist Vasya]

Rather, see% of the total. So the Americans and planes / helicopters / drones will have more.

[Lord of the Sith]

True, but last year, raid was reduced by an average of 200 hours per unit.

[Kent0001]

So they fly 10 times more hours. If we had flown so much, it’s scary to think what it would be.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Kent0001

So they fly 10 times more hours. If we had flown so much, it’s scary to think what it would be.

It would be better than now. The more work (if without fanaticism, of course), the higher the training of personnel.

[Uryukc]

Vladyka, how did the Merikos manage to lose Dry 27?

[Lord of the Sith]

So even VO published this news. Well, they are buying Soviet planes to hone training with a possible enemy. In my opinion, purchased from Ukraine.

[Falcond]

This is what achievement of domestic aviation do you want to boast ??? Not appropriate! Or are you happy when your neighbor’s cow died more ???

[Town Hall]

Quote: GSVG 86-88

SU-33 with Kuzi is still a plus.

This statistic is not credible

[GSVG 86-88]

Another Su-33 with Kuzi.

[Town Hall]

In the RF Armed Forces there were no helicopter losses in 2017?

[KonoGon]

Only 6 units.

And in Homs, a drone shot down

[woron333444]

It’s Putin's fault that Americans are more likely to fall

[SK70]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Losses of the military aviation of the Russian Federation in 2017:
MiG – 31 - 1
MiG – 29kub - 1
An – 26 - 1
Tu – 22M3 - 1
Yak – 130 - 1
Su – 24M - 1
Only 6 units.

Losses of the U.S. Military Aviation in 2017:
T – 38 - 1
T – 45 - 2
A – 29 - 1
U – 28 - 1
F – 16 - 3
F – 5 - 1
Su – 27 - 1
F – 18 - 1
A – 10 - 2
V – 22 - 3
UH – 60 - 6
CH – 3 - 2
MH – 47 - 1
C – 130 - 1
C – 2 - 1
UAV - 4
Only 31 units. (including 4 strike UAVs)

And as a percentage of the amount, these statistics will be more accurate.

[shura7782]

The comparison is not correct. Different weight categories. If we compare the non-combat losses of military aircraft of the times of the USSR and the USA per year, then they are approximately the same. Our losses per year, in terms of the number of aircraft and drugs, are approximately an air regiment.

[Artek]

Russia took the lead in the number of air crashes

The largest catastrophes of Russian passenger aircraft No. Airplane Year and crash site Number of fatalities Number of survivors 1 Airbus A310-324 2006, Irkutsk airport (outside the runway) 125 people 78 people 2 Tu-154M 2006, in Ukraine , near Donetsk 170 people - 3 Boeing 737-505 2008, the border of the Sverdlovsk and Industrial regions of Perm 88 people - 4 Boeing 737-500 2013, Kazan International Airport 50 people - 5 Airbus A321-231 2015, Sinai Peninsula 224 people - - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/228004/statistika-krusheniy-
samoletov-v-rossii-za-let

- this is despite the fact that Russia is by no means in the first places in the number of passenger traffic. That is, our passenger planes fly less often, they fight more often. And there are such “investigations” when in 154, with our military and Aleksandrov’s ensemble, it fell apart over Black by the sea, but the investigation found out the pilot’s errors, it just causes not just bewilderment, but already other feelings.
Somehow too often we began to fall. It is necessary to change something and start from above.

[Artek]

maybe it's time to start dropping American planes?

[Falcond]

For such comments you need to trim! Keep quiet

[Artek]

Quote: FalconD

For such comments you need to trim! Keep quiet

are you going to level your aunt?

[Ncplc]

The weather here today is terrible, there is a strong hot wind from the desert (hamsin) with sand blowing no visibility, so there could be a micro rush of the downward flow, And you do not have to blame the equipment or the crew immediately. My condolences.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Ncplc

The weather here is terrible today, a strong hot wind blows from the desert (hamsin) with sand, there is no visibility, so there could be a micro gust of a downward flow

This phenomenon is quite rare. But the wind shear could well arrange this. I don’t know how at the air base, but in Latakia there was the following:

METAR: OSLK 061400Z 16012G25KT

Gusts of wind with a double drop in speed (from 12 knots to 25) is pretty much up to a fig. And if there’s another shift in height ...

[Oleg7700]

Weather conditions could not be the cause of the crash of the An-26 military transport aircraft at the Khmeimim airfield, since they were simple, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry said.
“There are no cyclones there today, in the morning there were simple weather conditions,” RIA Novosti reports his words.

[Vadim237]

And 29000 enterprises were built, and the fact that our aircraft are almost never released, thank the USSR and the 90th - they did not create competitive products - until MC 21, Tu 154 and Tu 134 - this is ancient rubbish.

[Full name]

Yes, of course, the USSR needs to be thanked for the fact that we generally have aircraft construction. But at the expense of the 90s ... there was power, the direct successor of which is now existing. And the power center was not built in the 90s, and today's authorities erected a sign of gratitude to their predecessors

[Bronevick]

Hmm, no words

[Aleksandr69]

the security zone needs to be expanded. because they promised ...

[gig334]

Sorry for the people, they rest in peace. And unfortunately, Russophobes are now activating and will use this catastrophe for their own purposes.

[Kent0001]

Yes, we are the army of Russophobes-they will always be. We simply ruin people - that’s the problem, and this is a given.

[Same lech]

What a news...
... what the hell ... I hope the black boxes clarify the situation.

[BAI]

How is this not in time! (The death of people is always not in time, but here is the fact of the event ...).

[Don]

Quote: BAI

How is this not in time! (The death of people is always not in time, but here is the fact of the event ...).

Strange statement. What if not for the elections, then let them fall at least every day? Pressure on the Russian Federation will only increase, even after the election. In the light of recent statements by the president, he called himself a load - climb into the back. But is the government itself ready for this? I have big doubts here.

[Falcond]

And when on time ??? Calm down !!!

[parkello]

the eternal memory of the dead. land them rest in peace

[GeorgeSev85]

32 people - This is pi ...... I have no words. Everlasting memory!!!!!

[Mikado]

Eternal memory .. Condolences to the family ...

[Lekxnumx]

Condolences to the families of the dead! We will be silent for a while, then everything will be clarified.

[Bosch]

Probably shot down.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Bosch

Probably shot down.

Laser probably technology ....
Everlasting memory !

[senima56]

The kingdom of heaven is lost. But something tells me that we won’t know the truth.

[nikola1975]

P..dets some !!!

[Kent0001]

the same garbage, just no words ......

[assa67]

yes, trouble .... the earth rest in peace .... well, are these anthos pouring like pears? is it time to abandon them? ... it was confirmed that there was no “fire impact on the plane” .. that means a technical malfunction

[Bronevick]

What to change then? Not Soviet times, when they handed over 50 transporters a year. IL-112 will appear in the army in 5 years, and then they will be handed in 3-4 per year.

[assa67]

it’s clear that so far there’s nothing to replace this junk ... where did he fly from interesting?

[seal78]

In addition to fire, there are other types of exposure. For example, a laser in the eyes, etc. It is hard to believe in a technical malfunction.

[assa67]

hardly

Quote: seal78

For example, a laser in the eyes, etc.

he didn’t hold out a bit, and after the attack on the base the security measures were strengthened as well as the defense radius

[seal78]

Well, the plane is not a bicycle, it flies fast. The impact could be for 3-4 kilometers, and fell already at 500 meters.

[assa67]

I think that it’s just a technical failure ... there is such a term "metal fatigue" - everything seems to be tight, but I stuck it with my finger, the dust remained ... and here are imported spare parts, partial service is possible ...

Quote: Monos

Maybe someone was hired from Antonov?

[seal78]

Maybe so, I do not insist on my version, I just consider it as an option.

[Vadim237]

You still say that the meteorite hit the plane during landing.

[Falcond]

Nonsense do not say

[dzvero]

Rest in peace...
Regrettably, no one is safe from technical malfunctions and human errors ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: assa67

..that these antoshka are strewed like pears?

For half a century, I suppose.

[assa67]

Sergei ... besides, probably .... another confirmation of the urgent need to acquire their own machines of this class .... moreover, a sad confirmation

[Yrec]

Bad news. Again, the planes ceased to hold in the sky.

[Fast_mutant]

Quote: Yrec

Bad news. Again, the planes ceased to hold in the sky.

Sucks, for some reason, only ours are in the air ... The trend, however?
But to me, it still seems that he did not fall. Dropped it. Is it really impossible to put things in order along the flight path? Not so wide a "strip" turns out ...

[Semen1972]

Quote: Fast_mutant

Quote: Yrec

Bad news. Again, the planes ceased to hold in the sky.

But to me, it still seems that he did not fall. Dropped it.

It’s clear that they dropped it ... it’s unlikely that the lifting force rebelled and ceased to act on the wing of the aircraft of their own free will ...

[Laksamana besar]

What kind of misfortune is this, only the good mood was here on you too.

"The cause of the crash, according to preliminary information, could be a technical malfunction," the military department said. “According to the report, there was no fire on the plane,” the RF Ministry of Defense added.

[Sands Careers General]

Here is the same. But the mood towards the evening can also change, but the dead will not return.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Condolences to relatives and friends, the kingdom of heaven.
What can I say, "Afghan sunset", high overload for the old man An-26 .. the airfield is small and not adapted for such intensive flights and traffic. There are mountains and a narrow strip near the coast. Eh .. how would you dissociate yourself from the Ukrainian segment of the Internet? ((

[Vadim237]

These An 26 aircraft are long-flying junk.

[NN52]

Vadim237

Two years ago he was honored to fly to An 26, the old Rostov board.
We flew all day, with two landings ... Talked with the commander, a very reliable plane ...
So shut your pzhl your mouth ....

[Vadim237]

Very reliable - how many years has it been flying? Reliable for the time being, for the time being - as today, the guys also believed in its reliability - the most sad result.

[smart ass]

No transport workers should fly until March 18, supplies only with water

[Gloomy]

The Kingdom of heaven!

[501 Legion]

That's the news, it's a pity. mourn

[seal78]

Hohlomrazi already jumping?

[Gray brother]

Quote: seal78

Hohlomrazi already jumping?

Undoubtedly.

[verner1967]

Quote: seal78

Hohlomrazi already jumping?

Once we rode on their wreckage, now it's their turn to ride on our ... Vile is all.

[seal78]

Once we rode on their wreckage

Who are you?

[verner1967]

Quote: seal78

Who are you?

Open the VO for 14 and 15 years and read the comments about the downed ukrosamoloty and helicopters, you can even make a list of commentators

[Falcond]

What kind of comment is this here ??? Uma Chamber

[soldier]

Yes trouble
Rest in peace

[Aaron Zawi]

My deepest condolences to the families of the victims and to all citizens of the Russian Federation. Everlasting memory.

[Professor]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

My deepest condolences to the families of the victims and to all citizens of the Russian Federation. Everlasting memory.

join in

The weather is bad today. Strong winds. Dust in the air ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: professor

Quote: Aaron Zawi

My deepest condolences to the families of the victims and to all citizens of the Russian Federation. Everlasting memory.

join in

The weather is bad today. Strong winds. Dust in the air ...

For sure. In the north, impenetrable dust.

Blessed be their memory ...

[ADT]

Join.

[Temson71]

Eternal memory .. Mourn.

[Sands Careers General]

Oh oh oh(((

I can’t even find the words. Eternal memory of the dead, to identify and punish the perpetrators.

[MadCat]

condolences to family and friends.

[seacap]

Yes, what is going on with us, something like it's time to take a closer look at the entire BTA flight support system, something is wrong there.

[Vita vko]

Suspiciously, a crash distance of 500 m to the strip. Very similar to a standard MANPADS shot at maximum range. Let's see the results of the investigation.

[Maalkavianin]

Downed scum.

[Falcond]

Have you checked it?

[Maalkavianin]

There was a video where the churkobesy screaming alah-akbar, shooting the moment when something flashed on the plane. Therefore, I think that they knocked out.

[Awaz]

some shizdets ... the junk begins to crumble. And if you do not take measures, it will be even worse ... Bravure statements about plans, especially do not correct the situation. In the light of recent events, this is a serious blow to the reputation of both the Russian Federation and the RF Armed Forces and the president too. And you have to do something for a long time ..

[Semen1972]

Quote: AwaZ

some shizdets ... the junk begins to crumble.

Do you think it collapsed into the air because it rusted through? .. Then the technicians must be shot, according to the law of wartime, for sabotage .. is it possible to let out rusty planes on a flight ????

[Piramidon]

Quote: Semen1972

Do you think it collapsed into the air because it rusted through? .. Then the technicians must be shot, according to the law of wartime, for sabotage .. is it possible to let out rusty planes on a flight ????

How bloodthirsty you are, you would have to shoot everything. On the plane there are places where it is impossible to get close without dismantling it. I remember how we discovered the corrosion of the Tu-95 center section only when they were cut into metal.

[verner1967]

Quote: Piramidon

How bloodthirsty you are, you would have to shoot everything.

Stalin's upbringing ... in the 71st, the brand-new An-10 fell apart, and a year later another one, due to design flaws, apparently, Antonov had to be shot then.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: verner1967

The An-10 fell apart, and after another year, due to design flaws, apparently, Antonov needed to be shot even then.

Antonov - the best aircraft designer of the post-war Union; shares this pedestal with Ilyushin. An-10s fell not due to design flaws, but because of the wrong material (this is not a design). Despite the fact that the twin sister of the An-10th flies so far. Yes, with overlays on the side members, but it flies. If it weren’t for the IL-18th at that time, the An-10 would still fly. And the wings fell off and the state’s counterparts An-10 / Il-18.

[verner1967]

Quote: Avis-bis

but because of the wrong material

But isn’t this the designer calculating the loads? In conclusion, it was written "design flaws" or something like that.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: verner1967

Quote: Avis-bis

but because of the wrong material

But isn’t this the designer calculating the loads?

Yes and no. But no more. An aircraft designer cannot be an absolute specialist in everything. There are specialized research institutes, one of which is developing new alloys. And this research institute gives out some characteristics of this alloy. Aircraft designer, not being a metallurgist and chemist, may not believe them (and use proven alloys), may believe (and use a new duralumin).
Well, and then it may turn out that the new alloy under specific conditions (which could very well be simulated by metallurgists) of the aircraft gives fatigue cracks faster than everyone expected. This happened with the An-10. He, like any civilian aircraft, was operated very intensively, unlike his military brother An-12, who flew relatively rarely. Here is the tragic fate of those two (EMNIP) An-10s and helped the An-12s stay in the sky - the spars strengthened, they replaced something and the plane still flies.
If the An-10th had no full analogue in the person of the Il-18th, the An-10 would still fly.

[verner1967]

Quote: Avis-bis

An aircraft designer cannot be an absolute specialist in everything.

Absolute not, but then he is general.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: verner1967

Absolute not, but then he is general.

And, nevertheless ... Of course, he is the first to be honored and he is also “extreme” during dismantling. He is responsible for everything. But there are limits to the applicability of this principle.

[verner1967]

Quote: Avis-bis

And yet...

listen, don’t turn around like a pan, the metal could not withstand the calculated overloads “early tired” is a design flaw. Fact! And put on this point. If you want to argue, then questions to the state commission.

[shura7782]

Quote: verner1967

Quote: Piramidon

How bloodthirsty you are, you would have to shoot everything.

Stalin's upbringing ... Antonov still had to be shot.

It can be seen that about education is very doubtful, and the conclusion is not worthy of the Air Force officer.

[verner1967]

Quote: shura7782

and the conclusion is not worthy of an Air Force officer.

yeah, with sarcasm you have difficulties. I'm just not a supporter of executions, like some commies on the site.

[shura7782]

Quote: verner1967

Quote: shura7782

and the conclusion is not worthy of an Air Force officer.

yeah, with sarcasm you have difficulties. I'm just not a supporter of executions, like some commies on the site.

I will know that this is such sarcasm.
Are you by any chance not from Chelyabinsk?

[Awaz]

These planes are real junk. Watching them horribly. Back in the late 80s, I somehow had the opportunity to navigate on ANE with a ramp. Everything hangs there, blowing from all the cracks. And this was still under the USSR. What aircraft could turn into at the present time - I’m even afraid to imagine. Here stopudovo and gagging of technicians and "new approaches" to repair and maintenance by the leadership and the lack of the ability for pilots to refuse to fly on this trash. As a result of the tragedy And I'm afraid that this is only the first call. If you do nothing, it will continue further with even greater shame.

[Semen1972]

Quote: AwaZ

Here stopudovo and gagging of technicians and "new approaches" to repair and maintenance by the leadership and the lack of the ability for pilots to refuse to fly on this trash.

Everything is beautifully written, but it’s possible that the plane crashes because it’s old ... I can count on the fingers of one hand .. if I try hard. The fact that, flying in an A320 plane, many say that it’s junk .. the table is loose, I read this 1000 times. EVERY aircraft passes THAT according to the flight hours and replacement is often carried out by entire units and structural elements. Why are you holding Pilots for WHAT kind of money are they ready to Die, knowing that they are flying in an unprepared aircraft ???? And the second question .. HOW MANY technicians have been planted lately from the Razdolbaisky approach to repair ???? But the investigations show that it is the pilots who often bring down planes .. The last Saratov AN showed a lot.

[seacap]

Quote: Crowe

There is no war without sacrifices! The kingdom of heaven to all the lost.

Combat losses are one thing, which, incidentally, can also be minimized, but another is due to sloppiness, low professional training and our chance.

[d1m1drol]

Eternal memory to the fallen. We grieve with relatives

[sleeve]

God rest ...

[ZHIGAN]

How tired of reading such news ... rest in peace!!!

[Denis Obukhov]

Condolences to family and friends.
In 2016, there were 6 An-26 incidents, of which 2 were disasters. In 2017 - 5, disasters - 3. In 2018 - so far one. Maybe it's time to write it off?

[Bronevick]

Why fly then? Do not even talk about IL-112. To serial deliveries as to China on foot.

[Semen1972]

Quote: Bronevick

Why fly then?

On the IL-76 ..

[Bronevick]

Drive IL-76 to transport 26 people? yes is the IL-76 new or what? How many did IL-76-90A-3 pieces?

[Vadim237]

Then it’s better on the Mi 8 with a cabin under ViP and additional fuel tanks.

[ZHIGAN]

Quote: Sands Career General

Oh oh oh(((

I can’t even find the words. Eternal memory of the dead, to identify the perpetrators.

Not to the topic, but we are not looking for the guilty, but switchmen all this is sad ...

[seal78]

Do you have it in the USA?

[ZHIGAN]

I'm a fan of the metallurgist, not yours

[seal78]

Novokuznetsk?

[karish]

the deepest condolences to the families of the victims.

[Andrey Bars]

Condolences to the near and dear ones, Kingdom of Heaven!

[anfreezer]

Condolences and words of support to relatives and friends ... The second major plane crash in a month is probably no longer a coincidence and not an accident, but an indicator of major shortcomings (and I want to say complete sloppiness) in organizing the safety of air flights ...

[Vol4ara]

Some kind of black streak ...

[Sebastian Pereira]

Something dofiga "non-combat" losses. Tu-154 with an ensemble, two with Kuznetsov at the bottom, Mi-24, now AN. In amers departures, I think no less, but do not fall. Apparently they are more professional chtoli?

[Semen1972]

Quote: Sebastian Pereira

Apparently they are more professional chtoli?

the level of development of our military technology is ahead of the personnel serving this equipment .. (

[Reserve officer]

They also fall. Look at the information in the branch above, Lord Sith posted the specifics.
It only annoys me that nothing is clear at all, and the Moscow Region already reports that there was no impact from the ground, and again the equipment failed. The next version will be the fault of the pilots. And this is their established practice. Since the fall of TU-154 with the Alexandrov ensemble on board, the conclusions of the commissions are somewhat vague.
Here is the tragedy again. 32 people died. Remember them, men. And our deepest condolences to the family and friends.

[Herculesic]

Earth rest in peace! God grant that this happens as rarely as possible, so that we see off and meet our citizens alive! My condolences to all the relatives, colleagues and relatives of the victims!

[MMX]

It’s hard to get such news.
Rest in peace. Relatives and friends - the strength to survive the grief ...

[faiver]

land to them rest in peace

[Fedorov]

A nightmare of some kind. Mood spoiled root. I’ll go Natsik pi.zd-and-I (I’ll call my friends, although I’m already nearby), and whether that will be. And so the day began well ... Even from Kiev right now they will catch up, so are the young Nazis, but against the blood of others. Banderlogov They softly do not really like them. In this case, we are friends in the convoy. . The cops warned. All at a glance. Tomorrow News.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Fedorov

A nightmare of some kind. Mood spoiled root. I’ll go Natsik pi.zd-and-I (I’ll call my friends, although I’m already nearby), and whether that will be. And so the day began well ... Even from Kiev right now they will catch up, so are the young Nazis, but against the blood of others. Banderlogov They softly do not really like them. In this case, we are friends in the convoy. . The cops warned. All at a glance. Tomorrow News.

I would go with you, how did they get the banderlogs .... Now rejoice on their Svidomo sites .. God judge them!
Fedorov be careful there, don’t get caught ...

[Fedorov]

I will be quiet and neat. Everything is already a pipe covenant ....

[Semen1972]

Who about what, and crest about fat ...

[K.A.S.]

Russia, in Syria, is losing more in disasters than in the fighting !!!! It's horrible!!
rest in peace!!!

[sounddoc]

Everlasting memory(((((((((((((((

[BASTA]

..Let's be silent! .. Kingdom of heaven to them, rest in peace for them! Eternal memory to them!

[Bronevick]

Most likely shot down. Not so long ago, this base was attacked by militants with mortars and drones. Although the aircraft is old, it is quite reliable and simple, it can fly a lot with idle engines, land on any platform, well, if there are no African gibbons at the controls. Many people talk about metal fatigue, so why give out a certificate of airworthiness to an airplane that can collapse in the air at any time? Condolences to the families of the victims. May the souls of the dead find peace.

[Monarchist]

An armored car, and you are not allowed such an idea that the Defense Ministry has practically no new transporters? And it’s not the will to use what is

[Bronevick]

Here is the result, it turns out MO is not surprised by this tragedy.

[garnik]

I'm also more inclined to the version of the downing of the aircraft. Therefore, this version was immediately dismissed so as not to place a burden on the units of the Armed Forces, which are required to ensure the normal functioning of the base. And go look for the guilty one.
It is unfortunate condolences to the near and dear ones. Earth in fluff. Ohhhh.
In the end, someone must answer for the loss of life!

[newcomer]

The kingdom of heaven to our soldiers. deep condolences to relatives and friends. I don’t want to say anything. We are waiting for the results of the commission.

[scrap123]

everlasting memory!

[Egorovich]

May the earth be lighter than feathers to them! The kingdom of heaven to them!

[igor1981]

Well, what's going on? The whole mood soured. Eternal memory to the dead.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

My condolences to those who died..
I think there were no ordinary passengers there, as in the case of the death of the Tu-134 with the ensemble of Alexandrov (flying to Syria) and other significant passengers..

I am sure that again all this is not for nothing... May they rest in peace! We won't be intimidated...

[anjey]

May the earth rest in peace, and for all the blood shed by the Russians on the land of Syria, we do not even have to, but are obliged to establish a strong foothold there for centuries, destroying all the enemy’s evil spirits....

[BASTA]

Do not confuse Tu-134 with Tu 154..

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: BASTA

Do not confuse Tu-134 with Tu 154..

I just flew a Tu-134 as a child, that’s the association...
Then the tragedy with the Tu-154 happened..You are right, but that is not the point.

[Falcond]

All were military, one general

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: FalconD

All were military, one general

There are different types of military men and generals too.... That is the question..?

[Falcond]

At least 31 servicemen of the Russian Army... is that clearer??

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: FalconD

At least 31 servicemen of the Russian Army... is that clearer??

No, it’s not clearer...There’s big politics going on here! Someone took revenge on Russia...

[Falcond]

Anything is possible, but that’s not what this conversation is about...you can’t bring people back

[Yak28]

We probably have the same number of aircraft crashes per year as in other countries.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Yak28

We probably have the same number of aircraft crashes per year as in other countries.

I should have kept quiet, at least today...

[Yak28]

Why suddenly? Of course I feel sorry for people, but the fact that our planes crash more often than others is a fact that must be taken into account and draw conclusions

[Micfoster]

Yah! Exactly? Or just to write something? Does religion not allow you to Google?
http://провэд.рф/article/24446-statistika-aviakat
astpof-po-stpanam.html
http://www.ruwings.ru/safety/country/
https://ria.ru/society/20171230/1512002098.html

[1 Navigator]

The kingdom of heaven and eternal memory.

[Monarchist]

“there was no fire impact on the An26”, suppose a semi-fantastic version - “sabotage”? I agree it sounds a little fantastic, but in principle this is possible.

[Monarchist]

Quote: MIKHAN

My condolences to those who died..
I think there were no ordinary passengers there, as in the case of the death of the Tu-134 with the ensemble of Alexandrov (flying to Syria) and other significant passengers..

I am sure that again all this is not for nothing... May they rest in peace! We won't be intimidated...

I agree with you: they won’t carry Vanya Pupkin on such flights

[Vlad Morozov]

In our Ministry of Defense, old stuff will fly around until it collapses from old age?! Apparently so! Low bow to those who died for their deeds!

[Monarchist]

Quote: MMX

It’s hard to get such news.
Rest in peace. Relatives and friends - the strength to survive the grief ...

It's not easy to go through something like this

[Andrey VOV]

The Lord has added to his squadron, the Kingdom of Heaven to the dead

[Geterosigma]

Therefore, we are not surprised by the technical malfunction of the entire country. A classic of the genre.
Only 3 months have passed in 2018 and already 2 planes have crashed. How it infuriates me.

[Vadim237]

Cars kill far more people than airplanes.

[Archivist Vasya]

This is sad, my condolences to the families of the victims. It's hard to believe that those. malfunction, although on such an old plane this is not surprising. You should ask those who are "in the know"

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

This is sad, my condolences to the families of the victims. It's hard to believe that those. malfunction, although on such an old plane this is not surprising. You should ask those who are "in the know"

They don’t fly junk cars to Syria... The experts will say they’re faulty, but I don’t BELIEVE them!

[Syb explosion]

Eternal memory to the soldiers..... We mourn.... When will this all end....

[Firework]

who will tell the truth before the elections if this is someone’s malicious intent?

[shuravi]

500 meters, this is after the passage of the BPRM. The height became about 50-30. But this is with a standard approach.
And if they were playing Afghan, then... in short... you can’t say anything now.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Why would an Afghan be pawned? It’s unlikely... Until we have a complete picture, we will be in the dark.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: shuravi

500 meters, this is after the passage of the BPRM. The height became about 50-30. But this is with a standard approach.
And if they were playing Afghan, then... in short... you can’t say anything now.

Another option is wind shear. There are gusts of 12-25 knots. (Or rather, in Latakia, but these are neighbors).

[shuravi]

Quote: Avis-bis

Another option is wind shear. There are gusts of 12-25 knots. (Or rather, in Latakia, but these are neighbors).

Not knots, but kilometers per hour. But even if there are knots, it’s still not much, 12,5 m/s.
Not critical.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: shuravi

Not knots, but kilometers per hour

What other "km/h"?

Quote: shuravi

METAR: OSLK 061400Z 16012G25KT

And this is not used in “Russian” METARs: meters per second are there, km/h are not.
This can be critical at such a height when the wind speed doubles. Or falls. Or (if the impulse) first rises and then falls.
If you believe the witnesses, the plane was flying, hiding behind the roll and lead angle from a very strong sidewall (the deviation of the plane’s axis from the LZP and its roll were visible to the naked eye). In particular, if a gust arrives under one wing (there is the sea to the side of the glide path) (or, conversely, the wind has died down), then the result may well be disastrous.

[Lesorub]

Everlasting memory!

[Jeremiah]

Eternal memory to the soldiers. Eternal glory. May God rest their souls...

[Semen1972]

Asymmetrical US response to Putin's speech? Do they have the technology to drop our old transport planes?

[Semen1972]

Quote: Heterosigma

here technology is not needed, just let our junk continue to fly and everything will improve on its own

Only a few planes fell due to old age. I don’t even remember the last cases when a plane crashed in Russia due to old age... 90% were pilot errors. Or rather, the lack of skills to act in an emergency situation. Therefore, the problem is not age, but the availability of training facilities. This is why they fall, not because of age.

[d ^ Amir]

Everlasting memory!!!

[earloop]

The kingdom of heaven is lost.

[realist]

rest in peace .... 500 meters, even if the engines failed, it was possible to plan, something didn’t add up, 500 meters before the runway a malfunction occurred that did not allow the flight to be completed?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: realist

rest in peace .... 500 meters, even if the engines failed, it was possible to plan, something didn’t add up, 500 meters before the runway a malfunction occurred that did not allow the flight to be completed?

For example, wind shear in speed and/or direction. The oncoming flow has sharply weakened or turned by several tens of degrees, and the height is small, so they sank.

[realist]

even if the engines fail, the plane can glide (until the speed drops below landing speed), but what then? Did he lose speed faster than he should? Let's wait for the results of the investigation, but I'm afraid the answer will be vague

[Town Hall]

Quote: realist

rest in peace .... 500 meters, even if the engines failed, it was possible to plan, something didn’t add up, 500 meters before the runway a malfunction occurred that did not allow the flight to be completed?

Who told you that the problems STARTED 500 meters away?...They ended there, but probably started earlier

[Semen1972]

Quote: Town Hall

Who told you that the problems STARTED 500 meters away?...They ended there, but probably started earlier

Due to the lack of messages from the pilots.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Semen1972

Due to the lack of messages from the pilots.

And at such a height there is no time for reports: “pilot, navigate, report.” And not vice versa.

[realist]

even if the engines fail, the plane can glide (until the speed drops below landing speed), but what then? Did he lose speed faster than he should? Let's wait for the results of the investigation, but I'm afraid the answer will be vague and will not suit us. although who will be interested...

[BASTA]

It’s amazing... people who don’t understand aviation are not dumb, they start arguing - it’s ignorant! It’s sad!.. Such a tragedy, but there are still know-it-alls.

[16112014nk]

As experienced pilots say, the most dangerous time is 3 minutes after takeoff and 5 minutes before landing. Unfortunately, it seems to be the same situation.

[BASTA]

The most dangerous thing... is when the flight crew is thrown out of the flight list, and a bunch of instructors and inspectors are written in instead! This is dangerous! Often everything ends tragically. The remaining fuel was most likely minimal. ((

[Geterosigma]

The An-26 transport aircraft was produced in 1969 - 1986. The first flight took place in 1973. As a result of accidents and accidents, 142 aircraft of this type were lost, a total of 1403 units were produced. The aircraft is operated by dozens of countries, including as militaries.

The WarGonzo Telegram channel, citing eyewitnesses, reports that on the day the An-26 plane crashed, there was a strong wind during landing at the Khmeimim airfield in Latakia.

“The plane that crashed in Syria was already behaving abnormally during landing. Eyewitnesses told WarGonzo that it tilted very heavily and sat down “almost sideways.” They also noted that there was very strong wind in Latakia that day,” the report said.

[Shahno]

I join in condolences to the victims...

[Dormidont]

There is a noticeable joyful revival among our Western and Middle Eastern partners. On the issue of the need to seek consensus with them

[alavrin]

Some did not have time to sing the funeral service near Moscow, now others.....If not fire from the ground, again unprofessionalism?

[CAT BAIYUN]

Sadly. Sincere condolences to the relatives of the victims.

[Chichikov]

Like some kind of rock! Emergency situations always appear at moments of maximum laxity or maximum tension. But they have a special resonance at historical moments for the country.
The death of compatriots is always imposed as part of a personal tragedy, and the general phrase “passengers” is somehow also alarming.
Condolences to the family, unity and firmness to the rest!

[1536]

No words! What kind of negligence is this, unprofessionalism or criminal intent? No words!

[Geterosigma]

These planes are already 40 years old.

[lopvlad]

Nothing surprising. Aviation equipment must be periodically replaced with new ones, since even new equipment that did not work after decades begins to fall apart very quickly.
Planes just don’t crash where they haven’t taken off for years, overgrown with weeds.
To the pilots, crew and passengers, the Kingdom of Heaven.

[syndicalist]

I remember in the late 80s there was such garbage. Disaster after disaster

[B.T.V.]

Could you calm down, or is incontinence tormenting you?!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: syndicalist

I remember in the late 80s there was such garbage. Disaster after disaster

You are right and this greatly influenced the collapse of the USSR! I remember these terrible catastrophes and tragedies one after another (there was no Internet) Well, just like it all came together on purpose... Well, and then away we go
The Russian people are compassionate, if they begin to regret something and look for “Who is to blame, and what to do..?” according to Chernyshevsky, Dostoevsky, etc. And the Russian revolt is bloody and merciless to the delight of the West and all scum (for quick enrichment)
The West has studied our soul and wants to try this option again (like during the USSR, it was carried out brilliantly..) Well. Well, gentlemen...we are different now and have already understood a lot!
And your “bloody tricks and provocations” only unite us even more strongly..
And how angry they are, you can’t imagine what will happen to you..

[Town Hall]

Quote: syndicalist

I remember in the late 80s there was such garbage. Disaster after disaster

It’s just that by the end of the 80s, disasters began to be hidden not as carefully as before

[syndicalist]

This has never happened before or since. Only “Nakhimov” and Asha are worth it!

[Avis-bis]

Quote: syndicalist

This has never happened before or since. Only “Nakhimov” and Asha are worth it!

The most “catastrophic” time in the USSR/post-USSR was in the 1990s, especially the first half. Then it became easier. But not the 1980s.

[Falcond]

Rest in peace! Everlasting memory...

[COJIDAT]

What a pity guys, what a pity... Rest in peace Heroes.

[Yura Kharlamov]

Each aircraft has a limit on the maximum side and tail wind. Strong wind could cause

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Vita VKO

Suspiciously, a crash distance of 500 m to the strip. Very similar to a standard MANPADS shot at maximum range. Let's see the results of the investigation.

Unfortunately, you may be right. The incident with the Su-25 confirmed that the Barmalei have MANPADS. And hiding with it unnoticed within a radius of 6-7 km from the base is more than realistic. If this turns out to be the case, then all aircraft will be potential targets.

[Separ]

If the weather was good (without a strong sideways motion), then there may be a balance imbalance (perhaps there was some kind of cargo that shifted closer to the ramp, or - if the approach was “Afghan style” - it means it reached critical angles and fell with a list? ??, in general, 500 meters before the runway, if something failed, the plane should have landed, let it “plow” - but it landed.
Kingdom of heaven to all.

[shuravi]

The fact that they were shot down is a big doubt. But if there was a report of strong winds, then that could very well be the reason. The same surface wind shear is an insidious thing, however.
As for the An-26 itself, it’s a good plane. But this is not a machine that can be extended. In the army, the mane and tail are the same in all the garbage dumps. And the youngest of them is already 32.
Under the USSR it was strict, quarters were sent to be cut up. And now it’s capitalism, damn it.

[Rushnairfors]

I agree with you, we have an12 in our division; in 2020 we are preparing to celebrate the anniversary - the hard worker will turn 50 years old. Currently 48 years old, and drives without taking it out.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: shuravi

Under the USSR it was strict, quarters were sent to be cut up. And now it’s capitalism, damn it.

I wonder why not 10 years? Or not 20? Or 23, 37...
It’s very strange to hear this from a Soviet pilot. The period of N years was determined on the basis of statistics and observations; in general, accumulation of experience. And for 25 years it didn’t appear out of nowhere. Initially (in the 1920s-40s) the calendar period was less than ten years, simply because of the materials used at that time. It was later extended to 25. And then they stopped. And not because of any objective considerations, but because of “as if something wouldn’t work out”, stagnation came to its full extent.
The calendar does not indicate the reliability of the aircraft nothing. Nothing at all. During normal operation (technical and flight), the service life of the aircraft is infinity. Have the “damned bourgeoisie” lost many B-52s?

[seal78]

Quote: verner1967

Once we rode on their wreckage

Who are you?

[Mihail55]

Eternal Memory...Eternal Peace! What sad news...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

My condolences to the family. The Kingdom of Heaven to the lost!

[Geterosigma]

in 14, the Kamchatka Aviation Enterprise bought an AN-26 for 22 million rubles.
And now, instead of spending money on a new plane, the Moscow Region will pay the 32 families who died a million each. (more likely)
Result: 32 million + loss of the plane + grief and loss of compatriots, and reputational losses + payment for investigation specialists + all sorts of psychologists and so on. And the nature of the cargo is also unknown. Which I’m sure was also empty, such flights don’t fly at every opportunity, they try to do something throw it at the base. And the loss of experienced pilots.

[Cook]

Who told you that the Kamchadals bought a new plane? I wonder where they would have gotten it. For 22 million you can only buy a very worn one. In general, this plane is mega-reliable, you just need to master it properly, and then it will take you out. It forgives many mistakes, and moves along the glide path like an iron. The weather is most likely, if the crosswind was blowing strongly, he may have tried to correct the evasion and landed before the runway. Technical reason? Well, I don’t know, at such a distance only a sudden engine failure could lead to such consequences. There is, of course, an unpleasant feature of this type of aircraft: the landing approach is carried out at engine operating modes that are not protected by the automatic feathering system. And in case of failure, if the flight engineer does not manually feather the propeller from the KFL-37, negative thrust is realized on the autorotating propeller, the value of which can reach up to 4 tons. Plus, if you want to add a mode to a running engine, you first need to raise the flaps to 15, and only then give the gas, otherwise the plane will turn over. And if all this happens directly near the ground, it is very difficult to react correctly.

[Starmaster]

Today is my son’s birthday, the boy is 5 years old, the day started off so well for you too. My condolences, I’m very sorry for the people. Something bad begins, one day our “Annushka”, the duck, was poisoned, on the demarcation line in the DPR something very bad went wrong, and the horses announced the beginning of a new phase of the operation in the Donbass. I wish I could thicken it up.

[Starmaster]

Don't watch TV. Loop on the keyboard

[Geterosigma]

I have to listen to it at work because people don’t read books. The TV doesn’t turn off.

[Falcond]

I have no words! May the pilots rest in peace, eternal memory to the dead!
I am writing and wiping away my tears! Rest in peace guys...

[KonoGon]

Who was flying is still unknown - condolences to the families of the victims.
Is the IL-62 okay?

[Falcond]

All military

[Yura Kharlamov]

Approach with a gradient. overestimated the capabilities. the Levashov crew fell down. sorry for the guys.

[shuravi]

Quote: yura kharlamov

Approach with a gradient. overestimated the capabilities. the Levashov crew fell down. sorry for the guys.

Ours, St. Petersburg, therefore.
Only in the army they don’t speak by gradient, but by turning at the calculated angle.

[Rushnairfors]

Shuravi, you are wrong. A flap approach at the design angle and an approach with a gradient are different concepts. A flap approach at the design angle is usually used with an exit to the drive or RSBN. Then, at the moment of passing any of these RNT, the crew (pilot) turns to the calculated angle and follows to the landing turn point (at a certain distance and at a certain azimuth), after which at this calculated point it turns to the landing course, after entering the PC performs landing approach. But the approach with a gradient is performed at a certain height and exits to the drive. After passing it, the crew performs a landing approach in a steep downward spiral with the calculated vertical speed and roll, and depending on the flight altitude, the number of turns is calculated in such a way as to complete the outermost turn with an exit to the PC and a height of 50-70 m (depending on the type of aircraft ). It is used mainly in BMC, as it is considered a visual approach. But the method of approaching with a lapel at the calculated angle just provides for an instrument approach using actuators, RSP and instrumental landing systems (SP or ILS).

[Chord]

Rest in peace. The Kingdom of heaven. Condolences.

[Yura Kharlamov]

In our army they speak with gradient

[shuravi]

Quote: yura kharlamov

In our army they speak with gradient

Open any crew manual and look for the gradient there.
In particular, for the An-26:
4.3.3. Flap landing approach at design angle ...........................50

[Avis-bis]

Quote: shuravi

Quote: yura kharlamov

In our army they speak with gradient

Open any crew manual and look for the gradient there.
In particular, for the An-26:
4.3.3. Flap landing approach at design angle ...........................50

You are talking about different things. "Gradient" refers to the angle of inclination of the trajectory - the glide path or, conversely, the climb; This is more likely from the “piloting” section. But the “calculated angle” is in the horizontal plane and, rather, a navigational question.

[Rushnairfors]

In general, the remark is correct. Let me add once again that an approach with the so-called “maximum descent gradient,” as it is correctly called, is not defined by any guidance document except for the KBP, and such an approach procedure is not in any API collection (for any airfield), strictly speaking “gradient” is not even defined as a method of landing approach (such a purely military trick, dictated by necessity), but the method of landing approach “with a lapel at the calculated angle” is also described in navigation textbooks, management documents, and so on. Almost all airfields have this method in their IPP. Generally speaking, there are 5 main approaches to landing.
1. In a large box
2. In a small box
3. Two 180 turns.
4. From the start of the decline.
5. Turning at the calculated angle.
There is also such a thing as a visual approach (by the way, this also includes an approach with a gradient), this is the first thing that a cadet is taught when learning line work. But that's another question. And if on topic, I personally don’t understand why it was necessary for him to enter with a gradient at the airfield, where the density of security both on the ground and in the sky is very high, air approach strips are constantly covered by helicopters and UAVs, especially when landing vehicles on the ground Security was especially strengthened after the New Year's shelling. I personally believe (but I don’t claim, of course) that the main reason was the mistake of the pilots (may they rest in peace) and not because they are not professionals, but simply because they were tired. Ours recently returned to the An30 from there - they say that there is just a forest - no one cares about the resource of both aircraft and crews, there are a huge number of tasks, there is no such concept as “combat tension”, sometimes they fly for days without rest, despite the standards determined by the FAPPP GA, Moreover, they don’t allow you to rest in the evenings either; policemen and others are constantly roaming around, always looking for drunks. People plow to exhaustion and take turns sleeping at the helm. So it goes. I don’t believe too much about the technical malfunction yet (although I don’t deny it), I just don’t understand what has to happen for an An26 plane to crash between the near and the end - only a failure of two engines or a failure of control, two engines at once - unlikely, control - it’s all on traction and rocking chairs (this is not the Tu22M3, for example), it’s hard to imagine that something broke there. Next, the hydraulic system, the plane is on landing, the landing gear and mechanization are completely extended, and the hydraulic control is not tied to the control, it is direct, therefore even its failure will not affect the landing in any way (after landing, yes, after all, you need to slow down with something), the rest are special cases are insignificant to lead to disaster. At an altitude of 20-30 meters, no one will pay attention to either the failure of the course, or the failure of aneroid-membrane devices, AGD, etc., all this is no longer necessary. Guys, don’t think, I’m in no way blasphemous, winged brothers and brothers in arms died, it’s always very painful to take such news, I just want to somehow more or less try to understand the reason, because if it was a mistake and it was provoked by a banal lack of sleep due to endless tasks, then here it is already necessary to seriously think about organizing post-flight rest for pilots. Has anyone forgotten about Su24? The guys took off on wing 69 and the reason was the extreme workload on the crews and the lack of normal conditions for rest.

[Rushnairfors]

As a result, a wonderful crew, professionals, real men, died, and the reason was a violation of the rules for operating aircraft. So it may be here too - the crew commander, Major Smirnov, 96, 21 years at the helm, 1st class pilot, they write that he is an extra-pilot, so I am sure that such a person can come out of any special situation with honor. And then I could simply lose control from fatigue. Plus, they wrote above from Israel that the weather there was bad, as an option, I found myself in difficult conditions, lost control over the parameters...... And then everyone knows everything. Once again, this is just an opinion, I do not claim to be the ultimate truth. May the sky rest in peace to the dead

[Cook]

The failure of both engines at such an altitude is not as dangerous as the failure of one. Remember the two An-24 crashes in Bugulma, early 80s. In both cases, one engine failed after the flaps were extended to 38 degrees. In both cases, DAF failure due to ICM. The propeller is in autorotation mode, negative thrust. The crews did not have time to do anything. Another disaster that comes to mind is, it seems, in Kurgan. The same failure, the crew began a go-around, but before setting the takeoff mode, the flaps were set to 15 degrees. didn't remove it. The plane drifted into the aircraft parking lot along the runway. Remember also the disaster at the Leshukonskoye airport, during the approach with a cross wind, the pilot tried to correct the lateral deviation by “giving a leg”, due to which the plane landed with a slide and a large vertical overload, and collapsed. I don’t understand a little what the working time standards from the Federal Aviation Rules of Civil Aviation have to do with it, the plane is military.

[Rushnairfors]

GA - state aviation, this is our main book, citizens do not use it☝. It just stipulates the norms for flying hours and rest. It’s clear that war is a special matter, and yet I still think the infantry should sometimes read aviation documents

[Vadim237]

There is a critical shortage of BTA aircraft in our army.