UVZ plans to begin production of four types of armored vehicles in 2018

The Uralvagonzavod corporation (UVZ) plans this year to begin production and supply of four types of combat vehicles to the troops, including the upgraded T-90М Proryv-3. This is stated in the materials for the working visit of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to the Sverdlovsk Region, during which he will also visit Uralvagonzavod, reports TASS.

The T-90M, when compared to the base T-90, is a completely new machine. So, its tower module is equipped with a fire control system made using the latest technology. 125 mm gun tank It has a stabilization system in two planes and is capable of using all modern types of ammunition. The machine also received a new modular dynamic protection, which, on the one hand, increases the level of protection, and on the other hand, has high maintainability.

The certificate also notes that, in addition to T-90M, in 2018, the UVZ plans to launch production of the BMPT tanks and T-80BV tanks with improved combat characteristics and the upgraded BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicle with 30-mm combat weapons to the troops. module.

At the final stage, UVZ is working on the creation of advanced weapons and the development of their mass production, it is noted in the materials.

These are the three products of the Armata on a heavy unified combat platform and three products of the interspecific artillery complex Coalition-SV. A serious direction will be the creation of weapons and equipment for the Arctic brigades

- it is spoken in the help.

Comments

[private person]

All the words and words and more plans. And when will we see the Armata and the clones at its base in the troops?

[210ox]

And what did you want ... now the main thing is to promise, the elections are on the nose. Things then ...

Quote: private person

All the words and words and more plans. And when will we see the Armata and the clones at its base in the troops?

[cniza]

“These are three Armata products on a heavy unified combat platform and three products of the Coalition-SV inter-service artillery complex. A serious direction will be the creation of weapons and equipment for the Arctic brigades
- it is spoken in the help.

Of course I want to quickly and more, but is already running in the troops.

[private person]

When later ? The whole country is probably just waiting for the election. Here the elections will pass and we will live, the new president is all new. Lepota !!!

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: private person

All the words and words and more plans. And when will we see the Armata and the clones at its base in the troops?

How honestly you are already tired!

[Herman 4223]

Before the 20th year, there will be no, the first hundred only in that year they finished doing it, while it will be rolled in, while improvements will be made to the design and technology. A time car is needed here.

[floyder]

Sorry, but if you are interested in this topic, you should have known that this year 100 Armat will be produced and sent to the troops for military trials.

[x.andvlad]

The 125 mm tank gun has stabilization system in two planes and is capable of using all modern types of ammunition.
But hadn't it happened before ?!
It would be better from the "Javelins" come up with protection from above.

[210ox]

TASS reports ...

Quote: x.andvlad

The 125 mm tank gun has stabilization system in two planes and is capable of using all modern types of ammunition.
But hadn't it happened before ?!

[Genry]

Your Javelins sucks fit into modern combat. For example, “in the field”, at a range of 2500 m, how long it takes to capture the target “Zhdavelin”, and how much time the tank will roll up to the calculation, periodically falling out of sight (smoke breaks, ...). In the city, the tank leaned out_fired_hid - will this ATGM have time to capture the target?

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Genry

Your Javelins ...

They are as mine as yours.
I do not want and I will not praise the Javelins, including because they also have a lot of shortcomings. But the principle of "shot and forgot", as well as the "soft (cold) start" and "attack from above" certainly deserve close attention and opposition.

[Genry]

Quote: x.andvlad

But the principle of "shot and forgot", as well as the "soft (cold) start" and "attack from above" certainly deserve close attention and opposition.

The principle of "shot-and-forget" is nothing more than a PR stunt. You can forget after the "destroyed." Only a stupid tanker will be "lit" for the period of capture and approach.
Soft start ... well, finally, the eyes of the Americans will not burn out (fly out) from the exhaust of the rocket. In domestic anti-tank systems, this has long been present without beautiful words.
An attack from above is due to the weakness of the warhead and it is easier to level it than a full warhead, which has already been done (a tank in the city, thanks to the DZ, can withstand a full-fledged missile in the roof).

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Genry

. Only a stupid tanker will be "lit" for the period of capture and approach.

Or stupid, or inexperienced, or shell-shocked, or read a letter ... In battle, anything happens, you know. There are simply prepared ambushes about which the tanker does not know.

Quote: Genry

In domestic anti-tank systems, this has long been present without beautiful words.

Oh, oh? What are they in?

Quote: Genry

(a tank in the city, thanks to DZ, can withstand a full-fledged rocket in the roof).

Do not talk nonsense! Penetration Jav. 600-800 mm for dynamic armor. It is in which tanks such a reservation is available?

[Genry]

Quote: x.andvlad

Or stupid, or inexperienced, or shell-shocked, or read a letter ... In battle, anything happens, you know. There are simply prepared ambushes about which the tanker does not know.

Such a medical board does not allow ...

Quote: x.andvlad

What are they in?

After the "Baby" went ... Everywhere where the eyes of a fighter on the line of the missile trajectory.

Quote: x.andvlad

Penetration Jav. 600-800 mm for dynamic armor.

Modern domestic DZ cuts the tandem warhead.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Genry

Such a medical board does not allow ...

This is not about a medical board, dear, but about situations in a real battle.

Quote: Genry

After the "Baby" went ...

After the "baby" went ATGM of the second and third generations. We are still armed with a second-generation ATGM.
Before you talk about the domestic "soft start", I suggest you look at this diagram.

Here, in meters are indicated the danger zones that arise when a missile is launched from an anti-tank system
9K111. Similar schemes exist for later portable man-portable ATGMs of domestic production (both Metis and Cornet). This means that in these zones there should not be primarily people, as well as obstacles in open areas. In particular, a vertical obstacle in the form of a wall at the rear should be no closer than 5 meters, in order to avoid injury from the combustion products and detached parts of the container of the ATGM operator itself. And it’s not worth talking about enclosed spaces.
So the “soft launch” defined by the Americans is a relative concept, but the danger zones are minimized so as not only to not injure the operator, who is already in extreme conditions, but also not to unmask the firing position.
At one time, I witnessed a shot from an RPG-7 from a room of about 20 square meters. meters, in which before it all burned out. So, after the shot, the grenade launcher had a feeling of slight concussion, and for about 20 minutes he spat out of the burn that fell into all the cracks in his head. It is hard to imagine if, from such a premises, a launch from the "Bassoon" was made, for example. During b. in Grozny, when it was necessary to use ATGMs, the installation was carried out on the roof of the building.
So judge for yourself what kind of “soft start” we have.

Quote: Genry

Wherever the fighter’s eyes are on the missile trajectory.

At the expense of the eyes and the trajectory:
in the first 1-2 seconds after launch, the operator is advised to squint (especially in the dark) so that the headlamp in the tail of the rocket has time to retire more than 200 meters and not blind the operator.

Quote: Genry

Modern domestic DZ cuts the tandem warhead.

You want to say the prospective DM "Malachite", developed for "Almaty". Maybe ... And modern third-generation dynamic protection options provide protection against armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells (BOPS) and cumulative ammunition with non-tandem warheads.

[Genry]

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Quote: x.andvlad

This is not about a medical board, dear, but about situations in a real battle.

Idiots are not accepted into the army, but only they can, sitting in the tank, in battle, read letters. Have you thought to yourself?

Quote: x.andvlad

Before you talk about the domestic "soft start", I suggest you look at this diagram.

In-in, you found our scheme, but didn’t deign theirs or is it simply not? And are the Javelins so holy that they "don’t poop" at all? Starting impulse (in the pipe) they have no less. Well done, at least somehow they tried to understand the topic. A little more and understanding will come.
Hazardous exhaust at the rear (in your diagram 10m) or the minimum volume of the room for domestic is indicated everywhere.

Quote: x.andvlad

At one time, I witnessed a shot from an RPG-7 from a room of about 20 square meters. meters, in which everything before it burned out .... It is hard to imagine if, from such a premises, a launch was made from the "Bassoon" for example.

On the video for the first time we saw how in a cindery room the suspension rose ??? (here your "level of training" is pecking).
First of all, the RPG-7 is a grenade launcher (with an NOT guided grenade) ... in which there is no main engine. This is essentially a recoilless gun. Soft start is not possible here. In vain you dragged him here.
Bassoon, Cornet (and the like) are soft-launch missiles. They can be launched with an inclination to the horizon and then go out on their trajectory to the target. Well, no difference with the launch of Javelin.

Quote: x.andvlad

in the first 1-2 seconds after launch, the operator is advised to squint (especially in the dark) so that the headlamp in the tail of the rocket has time to retire more than 200 meters and not blind the operator.

And what is your assessment of history? Do you know why pirates walked with one eye closed? So that the eye has a high sensitivity in the dark, for a fight in the hold, for example, or an attack on a moonless night. I hope you do not need to chew further? There was such a flaw in early models. In Cornet - definitely not.

Quote: x.andvlad

And modern third-generation dynamic protection options provide protection against armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells (BOPS) and cumulative munitions with non-tandem warheads.

And where is it written that the Relic (third generation) does not work against the tandem. There are TWO charged plates in the TWO block ..

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Genry

Idiots are not accepted into the army, but only they can, sitting in the tank, in battle, read letters. Have you thought to yourself?

No, I thought about your hopeless idealism.

Quote: Genry

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In-in, you found our scheme, but didn’t deign theirs or is it simply not? And are the Javelins so holy that they "don’t poop" at all? Starting impulse (in the pipe) they have no less. Well done...

Yes, I did not find their similar scheme. But I think that their starting impulse is less, since they claim safe shooting from indoors.

First of all, the RPG-7 is a grenade launcher (with an NOT guided grenade) ... in which there is no main engine. This is essentially a recoilless gun. Soft start is not possible here. In vain you dragged him here.

That's right, it's a grenade launcher. Here, dear "theorist", I mentioned about him, that it would come to you that the detonating charge of ATGMs is much more powerful than the RPG grenade jet. In addition, consider the detachable parts from the rocket container, which have very strong kinetic energy.
And what is your assessment of history?
You can tell a story about pirates in a kindergarten. The ATGM operator cannot have a spare eye. He uses the same eye. A squint is necessary so as not to lose the overall picture in the field of viewfinder. Goals, you know, are moving.
In general, theoretically, firing from anti-tank systems from the depths of the premises is possible, BUT with great restrictions. With which? See the above diagram. Apparently, the room should be very large.
Domestic portable anti-tank systems are designed primarily for use in open areas.
They say that somewhere on the Internet they saw a video with a sad attempt to fire from the premises of the "Cornet." Unfortunately I did not find it. BUT from my live practice with ATGM 9K111 it is known that shooting from the premises is very risky.
If you, dear "theorist" in the heart of kamikaze, then please experiment. It will be interesting to know the result of your experience.
They can start with an inclination to the horizon and then go out on their trajectory to the target. Well, no difference with the launch of Javelin.
Probably, by "tilt to the horizon" did you mean the angle of aim?
So look carefully at what Jav has. and the bassoon, for example. (The last container with a rocket is located almost parallel to the line of sight) And then figure it out who needs a bigger impulse so that the rocket does not fall to the ground.
By the way, after launching a rocket from a domestic anti-aircraft missile system, it sags a bit, until the marching engine "to the full" works. For this, it is recommended to occupy the OP at elevations.

[Genry]

Quote: x.andvlad

You realized that the anti-tank missile charge is much more powerful than the RPG grenade. In addition, keep in mind the detachable parts from the rocket container, which have very strong kinetic energy.

It didn’t reach you that the grenade should immediately fly straight and without correction (no wobble), therefore the cannon run. And the rocket first kicks out to a safe distance, and only then accelerates.

Quote: x.andvlad

Domestic portable anti-tank systems are designed primarily for use in open areas.

And where in the city will you apply them (only along long and open avenues).
Javelins are in general trouble, the target hides all the time or quickly crosses short spaces and does not allow himself to be captured.

Quote: x.andvlad

Probably, by "tilt to the horizon" did you mean the angle of aim?

The aiming angle is from ballistics ... Guided missiles are superfluous here.

Quote: x.andvlad

BUT from my live practice with ATGM 9K111 it is known that shooting from the premises is very risky.

Any ATGM is dangerous ... You can get into the focus of the walls and get a concentrated reflected shock wave (the rectangular corners of the room work on the basis of the "reflective" principle).

Quote: x.andvlad

And then figure it out who needs a bigger boost so that the rocket does not fall to the ground.

More, less - these are children measured by their own ... Can you imagine the numbers? True, I do not care about them, since the very principle of a soft start, you have already accepted this "more or less."

Quote: x.andvlad

By the way, after launching a rocket from a domestic anti-aircraft missile system, it sags a bit, until the marching engine "to the full" works.

These babies do not have engine power control. She can not turn on the "small gas" and then "to full."

Quote: x.andvlad

For this, it is recommended to occupy the OP at elevations.

At elevations, you just see further (less line of sight restriction), and therefore recommend.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Genry

It didn’t reach you that the grenade should immediately fly straight and without correction (no wobble), therefore the cannon run. And the rocket first kicks out to a safe distance, and only then accelerates.

But where does the wagging? You at least compare the starting mass of the rocket and grenades and their range. If you do not understand that a heavier projectile is kicked out by a more powerful impulse, then talk
is useless.

The aiming angle is from ballistics ... Guided missiles are superfluous here.

Before the acceleration-marching engine comes into operation, the aiming angle is very important.

... I really don’t give a damn about them, since the very principle of a soft start, you have already accepted this “more or less”.
Behind the numbers, dear, this is to the developers.
I have already mentioned that “soft start” is a very conventional concept.

These babies do not have engine power control. She can’t turn on the "small gas" and then "to full"

These babies have a dual-mode boost-march engine. Please decipher this name for yourself.

At elevations, you just see further (less line of sight restriction), and therefore recommend.
This is just the case when the technical NEED is supplemented by tactical FEATURES. Feel the difference in the meanings of these words.

[Genry]

Quote: x.andvlad

You at least compare the starting mass of the rocket and grenades and their range. If you do not understand that a heavier shell is kicked out by a more powerful impulse, then talk
is useless.

It is useless to explain something to you. You don't even know physicists. The energy formula is W = m * V (pow2) / 2 .... An increase in mass 2 times requires an increase in momentum by 2 times, and an increase in speed by 2 times requires an impulse 4 times more!
Starting speed grenades RPG-7 150 m / s weight about 4 kg. Rocket Bassoon 75 m / s 8 kg, Rocket Javelin starting speed ???, weight 10 kg.
Already comparing the bassoon and the RPG, it can be seen that the launch pulse of the rocket is less than 2 times that of the grenade. This is elementary ....

Quote: x.andvlad

Before the acceleration-marching engine comes into operation, the aiming angle is very important.

This is not an aiming angle, it is just a tilt to the horizon. It is selected from the conditions for compensation from missile failure at a low starting speed and is set by tilting the cradle of the container.

Quote: x.andvlad

I have already mentioned that “soft start” is a very conventional concept.

Ah, now it has become conditional, but was the main advantage.

Quote: x.andvlad

These babies have a dual-mode boost-march engine. Please decipher this name for yourself.

In addition to the mysterious "dual-mode boost-march engine" you also will not tell me anything.

Quote: x.andvlad

This is just the case when the technical NEED is supplemented by tactical FEATURES. Feel the difference in the meanings of these words.

Expediency - works on all start-up conditions. On a hill there is no need to shoot a rocket into the sky.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Genry

The energy formula is W = m * V (pow2) / 2 .... An increase in mass of 2 times requires an increase in momentum in ...

Well, dear theorist, you sent me to the “Knockdown” with your formula.
Only in our discussion is everything a little more complicated.
Firstly, to put it mildly, you are disingenuous with numbers. If you don’t know the equipment, then you don’t need to draw the numbers “by the ears”, this is not serious. The weight of grenades for GPG-7 is from 2,5 to 4 kg (you named only the largest). The starting mass of missiles used for firing from 9P135 is as follows:
9M111 ("Fogot") -11,3 kg, 9M113 ("Competition") -14,5 kg, 9M113M - 17 kg
I also remind you once again that a jet stream when firing an RPG expires through an open nozzle, closer to which there should be no obstacles at a distance of 1-2 meters (for safety reasons). And the ATGM rocket is lined up from an airtight container, and the shock wave from the expelling charge increases many times. Therefore, for safety reasons, from the back of the container to the nearest barrier (for example, the walls of the trench) should not be less than 5, and preferably 10 meters.
Here is a simple army experiment for you. If you blow up an ordinary explosion package inside an ordinary weapon box locked with locks, it will fly into pieces about 30 meters away. In the open area from the explosion package there is almost one sound.
Even boys know about this phenomenon, who manage to put the petadra in a beer can or in an empty milk bag.
So look for another formula on this subject from your arsenal.

This is not an aiming angle, it is just a tilt to the horizon. It is selected from the conditions for compensation from missile failure at a low starting speed and is set by tilting the cradle of the container.
This is where he "gets out"? Not in the "javelin"? (take a closer look at the pictures with "jav." shooting, there are many of them). Due to this, a more “soft start”. In domestic ATGMs, the line of sight and the launch line of the rocket are almost parallel. Hence the need to “knock out” it more powerfully.

Ah, now it has become conditional, but was the main advantage.
Yes, “soft start” is a conditional concept, if they are called “knocking out” a rocket with a launch charge at a safe distance. This can be done very differently. So in the "javelin" it allows you to conduct safe shooting from the premises, and in domestic anti-tank systems shooting from the premises is associated with risk. Maybe the safest option is Metis due to its mini parameters.

[Genry]

Quote: x.andvlad

The weight of grenades for GPG-7 is from 2,5 to 4 kg (you named only the largest).

Well, we’re not discussing shrapnel “pencils” ....

Quote: x.andvlad

9M111 ("Fogot") -11,3 kg,

I made a mistake, I admit, but not too much ... Can you correct the calculation yourself?

Quote: x.andvlad

in the "javelin" it allows you to conduct safe shooting from the premises, and in domestic ATGMs shooting from the premises is associated with risk. Maybe the safest option is Metis due to its mini parameters.

What are you saying ?! Bassoon (boys write Fogot), also shoots from the premises, in compliance with the rules.

Quote: x.andvlad

Due to this, a more “soft start”. In domestic ATGMs, the line of sight and the launch line of the rocket are almost parallel. Hence the need to “knock out” it more powerfully.

Find the initial speed of the Javelin rocket and the safety requirements, and then philosophize.
Parallelism is not indicative, since it is compensated by the stabilization of the rocket itself.

Quote: x.andvlad

And the ATGM rocket is lined up from an airtight container, and the shock wave from the expelling charge increases many times.

Well, just multiple naive nonsense. Sealed - it is just closed with plastic plugs with sector cuts. There is no explosive effect there at all. But reading your essay was fun ...

Quote: x.andvlad

So look for another formula on this subject from your arsenal.

Well, I don’t have to count on getting a reasonable explanation from you, but not on my fingers. Your failure in physics and mathematics simply cannot be called literary.

You will write in a third-party editor, insert the tags "quote" for the standard design of this forum.

[floyder]

Pay attention to the “roof” of “Almaty” and the T-90M. There is something that the Javelin does not like. There are elements of dynamic protection.

[seos]

There was information that UVZ received a contract for the modernization and production of the T-90M - the main intrigue here is that it would be more profitable to upgrade the T-90 to the T-90M level or to manufacture new ones from scratch, moreover, I would like for the new T-90M advanced armored steel with improved performance ...

[woron333444]

I think that modernization is carried out at repair plants. And UVZ makes new ones.

[venik]

Quote: seos

Moreover, I would like for the new T-90M to use modern armor steel with improved characteristics ...

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Well, to be honest, coming up with a “new” steel is hard enough! Everything more or less durable ALREADY invented (long before us) .....
Remain mostly composite materials ("puff") and various different "bells and whistles" (like, with spaced reservations) ....
This is so - "by the way I had to").
And "classic armor" - for about 30 years now, nobody really can improve ..... All "cartoons" about "electroslag remelting", etc. etc. - let’s leave the journal "on the conscience" (with a "humanitarian" education) ......

[seos]

It has already been invented and is being produced for Almaty and Kurgan ... its characteristics are 20% better than that of the one on the t-90 (according to the developers)

[Wedmak]

and three products of the "Coalition-SV" interspecific artillery complex

I know the howitzer itself, they showed it, plus a loading machine, and one more thing?

[Uryukc]

Most likely the version for the Marine Corps on a wheeled chassis.

https://topwar.ru/130587-poyavilos-pervoe-foto-ko
lesnoy-sau-koaliciya-sv-ksh.html

[cats]

Does the beach complex have a sequel?

[Uryukc]

The coalition was originally developed as a universal tool, including for the Navy. Later, this idea was abandoned in favor of unification (130mm), and now I see this unit. So maybe this is the heir to the “Coast”, but I won’t say for sure if the ground version will be used by land forces.

[cats]

Now, there was a chip near the Coast, one looks and commands, five hit.
And the range seems to be more ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Uryukc

version for the Marine Corps on a wheeled chassis.

I’m sorry, colleague, but the Marines didn’t exactly run into this option. The specifics are such that this complex may be stupidly nowhere to deploy, except that the landing will be in Amsterdam, Hamburg, New York, etc. (i.e., the coast with acceptable coverage). Most likely, as you rightly noted below

Quote: Uryukc

perhaps this is the heir to the "Coast", but I won’t say for sure if the ground version will be used by land forces.

In the November article that you link to, it says:

Earlier it was reported that on the basis of the Coalition, a coastal gun mount for the Navy could be created. First of all, it is supposed to equip specialized artillery brigades with new weapons,

[Uryukc]

Quote: Paranoid50

I’m sorry, colleague, but the Marines didn’t exactly run into this option.

Quote: Paranoid50

Earlier it was reported that on the basis of the "Coalition" can be created coastal gun mount for the Navy

So coastal defense is also in the competence of the MP, "Coast" is just in their service.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Uryukc

coast defense is also in the competence of the MP,

These are the nuances of the subordination structure. Parts of the coastal defense, however, are not entirely MP ("titular" marines are called coastal "cormorants" ) But, again, all these are nuances. Both those and others in the structure of the Navy. And the marines still seem to have to use the “cloves” for some time.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: x.andvlad

The 125 mm tank gun has stabilization system in two planes and is capable of using all modern types of ammunition.
But hadn't it happened before ?!
It would be better from the "Javelins" come up with protection from above.

In your opinion, so many tanks were destroyed by the Javelins in 20 years, how are they adopted? I will surprise you, only a few. As a rule, these were tanks produced last year's seridine. T-55 type in Iraq. I also admit that the Kurds are from the Turks several M60s were knocked out of it, at least the USA supplied the Javelins to the Kurds, but it’s not a fact that the Turkish tanks didn’t destroy them, but the TOW. The main victims of Javelin were ordinary trucks all this time, and maybe a couple dozen light armored vehicles. in view of the fighting. I do not take into account the shelling at the firing ranges of inactive T-72 tanks.
The best defense against the Javelins is the automatic installation of a smoke screen. On all modern tanks it is. And there is not a single recorded case of the defeat of modern tanks from this ATGM.

[Romka47]

Everyone whines and whines when, when, modern weapons are high-tech projects, it IS IMPOSSIBLE to do everything quickly. Read how much from the project to entering the army was MS-1, and indeed about 20x tanks. And then they waited and now we will wait. Everything is fine, work.

[cats]

The eternal engine .. At first that tears are silent, then Rogozin, Bondarev hated ..
There is no logic ... Natural harm ..

[private person]

Well, here are the words of a true urapatriot whose nightingale is directly fed with fables. And the phrases "Noot" and "Everything is fine, work" well, just like our helper DAM.

[cats]

You know, even Jews are more honest than whiners, though affectionate, but enemies.
And these kind of ours, but always whining arm in arm. We know that there are sores, we don’t have to pick them out.
It is clear when a person understands the topic and criticizes, but these are from article to article, and even if
all is well, they pick something on one side.
No one is against harm, but when he is also a bore ... bust ..

[private person]

Take your hand out of your pants so that they do not ache under your arm.

[DarkMatter]

in 2018, UVZ plans to launch production of a modernized BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicle with a 30-mm combat module

What for?
It would be good if the BMP-2 with a new module, for which again the entire lineup to produce. Two is not enough to upgrade or what?

[afrikanez]

Quote: 210ox

And what did you want ... now the main thing is to promise, the elections are on the nose. Things then ...

Quote: private person

All the words and words and more plans. And when will we see the Armata and the clones at its base in the troops?

There is a very good Russian proverb: hurry up, make people laugh!

[bratchanin3]

No other way! The impudence of Americans crosses all borders. And they (the Americans) will not start a nuclear war, and even Vietnam could not defeat them with conventional weapons.

[erased]

BPM-1, T-80, T-90, BTR-80. Soviet technology with a heavy weight. And where to twist advertised? Where are the T-14, T-15, Boomerang, Kurganets, Coalition? Defective? And why the hell are they chasing them in parades? If not in the army, why brag? Or nothing more?
Su-57 only run in single copies. SU-35 is not enough, but SU-30 is still being made. Also Soviet cars! There is nothing new, only the development of the USSR, even the missiles shown on the message.
The complete collapse of training, education, engineering, machine tool, rocket science. The collapse of the economy!
But Victory Day is spent with pomp. Although this is not a holiday of the Russian Federation, it is a holiday of the USSR! And the foreign owners of the Russian Federation have no right to this holiday!
Finished off in liberalism, there will be nothing to eat, to put on, or to fight.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: erased

BPM-1, T-80, T-90, BTR-80. Soviet technology with a heavy weight. And where to twist advertised? Where are the T-14, T-15, Boomerang, Kurganets, Coalition? Defective? And why the hell are they chasing them in parades? If not in the army, why brag? Or nothing more?
Su-57 only run in single copies. SU-35 is not enough, but SU-30 is still being made. Also Soviet cars! There is nothing new, only the development of the USSR, even the missiles shown on the message.
The complete collapse of training, education, engineering, machine tool, rocket science. The collapse of the economy!
But Victory Day is spent with pomp. Although this is not a holiday of the Russian Federation, it is a holiday of the USSR! And the foreign owners of the Russian Federation have no right to this holiday!
Finished off in liberalism, there will be nothing to eat, to put on, or to fight.

Command all Soviet technology to burn? We have only tanks in storage over 17 thousand, tens of thousands of infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Let's burn them to fuck. Why are you not happy with the equipment of the USSR? Those people, unlike you, thought about future generations and did with a margin. So that we these days, we could not rush with such a backlog and calmly develop new weapons. You do not have the right to the Victory Day, and most people in our country lived in the USSR, and this is our holiday.

[x.andvlad]

Genry,

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Bassoon (boys write Fogot), also shoots from the premises, in compliance with the rules.

Well, you, dear, are mistaken in the FIGURES. True, you say that a little ... True, you eloquently claim that this is the ultimate truth.
And just, please, do not make the "chest with the wheel", thinking that you opened my eyes to something with your "screen" about the conditions of shooting from buildings. All these conditions logically follow from the scheme presented by me. Significant restrictions for such shooting are visible from the same scheme. I’m telling you about this for the umpteenth time!

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Sealed - it is just closed with plastic plugs with sector cuts. There is no explosive effect there at all. But reading your essay was fun ...

Sealed - it is SEALED. Read about the theory of explosion in a confined space, since you were not convinced by a simple army experiment.

All. My conversation with you is over, because I consider it useless.
Although, I am sure that in response I will read the next batch of "enchanting snowstorm" from the stubborn "couch theorist" who did not smell gunpowder or soldier's footcloth.