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Japan may refuse to develop the domestic fighter

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The Japanese Ministry of Defense is currently considering the possibility of abandoning the development of its own stealth aircraft, which was to replace the F-2 fighter-bomber, reports TASS the message of the newspaper Asahi.




This is a project called Advanced Technology Demonstrator X (ATD-X), the development of which Japanese engineers have been engaged in in recent years.

According to the newspaper, the Japanese military command is considering two options: “go to the joint development of a fighter with some country or completely abandon the project and purchase additional F-35A from the United States.”

The publication reminds that the creation of ATD-X was engaged in the company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. “Great hopes were pinned on this project - the Japanese defense ministry insisted on preserving and developing the national technology of the aviation structure,” the publication says.

However, domestic development was too expensive. This circumstance forces the military to look for other options.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 5 March 2018 09: 29
    +2
    what for them? buy f 35 ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 5 March 2018 09: 32
      +9
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      what for them? buy f 35 ...


      The Americans told them so, they even said how much and how much ... laughing
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 5 March 2018 09: 33
        0
        Just - it didn’t work ... tongue
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 09: 36
          +9
          Amers have the entire military-industrial complex for friends, but for money, so to speak, voluntary-compulsory relations. smile
        2. avt
          avt 5 March 2018 09: 42
          +3
          Quote: Nasr
          Just - it didn’t work ...

          Everything they do, albeit quite average level, but soundly. AND
          Quote: Nasr
          Simple
          in the fact that they were forbidden from the time of World War II to make aircraft, slowly but consistently they are trying to get out of the ban, but until the US they are forced to buy the Fu-35. The country is simply occupied.
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis 5 March 2018 09: 56
            +6
            Quote: avt
            since the times of World War II they were forbidden to make aircraft

            Did you joke like that? They made a bunch of planes, including military ones. But really to invent something worthwhile is beyond their power - they’re dumb, sir ... Immensely.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 5 March 2018 11: 04
              +9
              Everyone would be so "dumb" .... fellow
              I have been replacing unbreakable Subaru for 25 years
              and bless the "dumb" Japanese good .
              1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                Spike Javelin Touvich 5 March 2018 11: 14
                +2
                say you keep Subaru clean
                but for some reason all my friends who have Subaru
                half a ton of dirt in the car
                Coincidence lol
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 5 March 2018 11: 17
                0
                This will not last long .. CVTs have already gone, couplings in the rear axle drive and milk turbo engines will soon go ... Toyota is now on this path (Fod has already gone. Subaru and Mazda are making normal cars ...
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 5 March 2018 11: 41
                  +4
                  I assume that all cars are in perspective
                  will turn into Tesla. No boxes, no shafts, no engine -
                  no iron whatsoever. Empty interior, two luggage carriers (hood and rear).
                  By electric motor in each wheel, steering wheel and under the bottom throughout
                  length - battery.
                  Why is this going to happen? - so cheaper for the manufacturer. At ten
                  times less parts and spare parts.
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 5 March 2018 11: 46
                    0
                    And we will repair them in the agreed kilometers and will stop riding clearly in the agreed period of time. I'm in life like something on Fords ... already 4th with me. And also an unproblematic device.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 5 March 2018 22: 44
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    I assume that all cars are in perspective
                    will turn into Tesla.

                    Where to get so much electricity?
                  3. gromoboj
                    gromoboj 6 March 2018 13: 20
                    0
                    It remains to solve one problem, where to get so many rare earth elements for batteries.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 6 March 2018 13: 23
                      0
                      From sea water. The Japanese developed the technology and began mining.
                      1. gromoboj
                        gromoboj 6 March 2018 13: 39
                        0
                        If the energy from the sea water is good. And then burning fuel oil for the sake of charging batteries is somehow wrong. Well, with the charging time, the problem is solved, but at the same time with the charge density. Because in freezing temperatures of -25 and traffic jams, 500 flight paths turn into 200.
              3. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis 5 March 2018 11: 18
                +6
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Everyone would be so "dumb" ....

                Be. I do not mind. You can even be dumb.
              4. gromoboj
                gromoboj 6 March 2018 13: 19
                0
                Why are you changing? Does it start to break? =)
            2. avt
              avt 5 March 2018 13: 42
              0
              Quote: Avis-bis
              Did you joke like that?

              This is the way we described objective reality.
              Quote: Avis-bis
              They made a bunch of planes, including military ones.

              Yeah - F-4, F-15? wassat The F-2 mentioned in the article is an attempt to get out of the USA press in the form of a hypertrophied F-16, we won’t buy it, but we’ll depict something like “screwdrivers”. They just jumped out with their transporter and PLO airplane and drove off the striker ,, Apache "his own ,, Ninja." Such here
              Quote: Avis-bis
              stupid, sir ... Immensely.

              And this is the classic of the genre. They are FORCED to buy the Fu-35 and they crushed the campaign.
              According to the newspaper, the Japanese military command is considering two options: “go to the joint development of a fighter with some country or completely abandon the project and purchase additional F-35A from the United States.”
              They’re still trying to throw a stunt like with the F-2, well, when the F-16 refused to take it, and if it works out at least to jump out like that, we'll see.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 5 March 2018 14: 05
                +1
                Quote: avt
                Yeah - F-4, F-15?

                Well, the Japanese did the Mitsubishi F-1. True, then they spat on this matter and the next national F-2 fighter was washed down on the basis of the F-16, together with Lockheed.
                1. avt
                  avt 5 March 2018 15: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Well, the Japanese did the Mitsubishi F-1

                  They did it with an eye on F-4. And really, not a mouse, not a frog.
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  the next national fighter F-2 was shot down on the basis of the F-16, together with Lockheed.
                  So what am I talking about ?!

                  Quote: avt
                  The F-2 mentioned in the article is an attempt to get out of the USA press in the form of a hypertrophied F-16, we won’t buy it, but we’ll depict something like “screwdrivers”.

                  Now
                  Quote: avt
                  They’re still trying to throw a stunt like with F-2.

                  Based on the Fu-35.
              2. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis 5 March 2018 14: 31
                +5
                Quote: avt
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Did you joke like that?

                This is the way we described objective reality.
                Quote: Avis-bis
                They made a bunch of planes, including military ones.

                Yeah - F-4, F-15? wassat

                No. The concept of "combat aircraft" fighters is not limited to.
      2. the most important
        the most important 5 March 2018 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        what for them? buy f 35 ...
        The Americans told them so, they even said how much and how much ...

        but they won’t buy it, they’ll get a pendell and still buy it, but it’s only bigger and more expensive ...
    2. Monos
      Monos 5 March 2018 09: 34
      +7
      or completely abandon the project and purchase additional F-35A from the USA

      As soon as I read the title of the article, I immediately understood the reason for the refusal. Am I so smart or Japanese idiots?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 March 2018 09: 39
        +7
        Am I so smart or Japanese idiots?
        You’ll become an “idiot” when for 73 years Americans have set their brains on them.
        or completely abandon the project and purchase additional F-35A from the USA
        Although they honestly admit that there is no getting anywhere with the "American submarine."
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 09: 41
        +3
        Victor, I categorically welcome! hi drinks
        However, domestic development was too expensive. This circumstance forces the military to look for other options.

        What is it that they pushed such yapi into their product that it turned out to be more expensive than the Fu-35? wink lol
        1. Monos
          Monos 5 March 2018 09: 46
          +3
          Hello Pasha! hi
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          What is it that they stuffed such yapi into their product?

          Why can they cram something so special there? They didn’t shove it, someone shoved it to them. laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 09: 50
            +3
            Quote: Monos
            They didn’t shove it, someone shoved it to them.

            It seems to me that this “someone” is terribly star-striped and “exceptional”. bully And excuses about the high cost of their own development - a weak attempt to save face.
            1. Monos
              Monos 5 March 2018 09: 58
              +4
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              And excuses about the high cost of their own development - a weak attempt to save face.

              No, well, maybe for Yap, the development really comes out a little expensive (it is unlikely that they have all the necessary competencies and resources), but it definitely could not do without the intervention of amers.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 10: 01
                +3
                Quote: Monos
                but without the intervention of amers it definitely could not do.

                Is there any doubt about this ??? bully
        2. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 5 March 2018 09: 58
          +5
          Quote: bouncyhunter

          What is it that they pushed such yapi into their product that it turned out to be more expensive than the Fu-35? wink lol

          Tablets for viewing and drawing comics. they cannot invent anything else.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 10: 00
            +3
            Quote: Avis-bis
            they cannot invent anything else.

            You shouldn’t be so, Sergey! hi For all the Yapov submarine - in electronics they are strong.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 5 March 2018 10: 21
              +7
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Quote: Avis-bis
              they cannot invent anything else.

              You shouldn’t be so, Sergey! hi For all the Yapov submarine - in electronics they are strong.

              Pash, I'm not talking about production, but about inventions. Japas can lick someone else's invention to the ideal, to the absolute, but not to invent it. Neither the radio, nor the transistor, nor the microcircuit, nor the local oscillator were invented. And they have good tape recorders and receivers, yes. (Although I personally would have more pleasure in buying a transistor "Brown" or "Grundig" than the modern Japanese counterpart).
              But we're talking about aviation. Most of their WWII aircraft are either based on other people's designs (Germany and the USA), or they’re full of crap. Well, and with aeronautics, and at all a clowning. For reparations, ane received two airships from Germany. One could not even be assembled, the second was drowned. And this despite the fact that they did not have such a devastation of the 1910-20s as we have. It would seem - ideal conditions for creativity. Avotfig ...
              A modern airplane is a lot of electronics, yes. But, nevertheless, the whole world buys Premier-I and Phenom, but not Honda-Jet. I wonder why? :)
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 10: 26
                +2
                Quote: Avis-bis
                I'm not talking about production, but about inventions

                What are you talking about? I misunderstood you.
                Quote: Avis-bis
                I personally would be more pleased to buy a transistor "Brown" or "Grundig" than the modern Japanese counterpart

                I won’t say anything about the modern one, but I still have the Yapov two-drawer Sharp 1988 model year - not a single breakdown. belay
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Japas can lick someone else's invention to the ideal, to the absolute, but not invent it.

                I agree completely.
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 March 2018 11: 10
          +2
          "What is it that they pushed such yapes into their product that it turned out to be more expensive than the Fu-35" ////

          Everything is simple here. F-35 - in large-scale (even mass)
          production. It is always cheaper than a single assembly.
          If the Japanese planned to release their plane in
          amount of several hundred, it could turn out cheaply.
          But they do not have time - the Chinese, whose 5th generation has already taken to the stream, are shaking.
          The Japanese need a hundred and five, at least. And in the vertical version - on their own
          helicopter carriers - a few dozen.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 11: 16
            +1
            hi As for the series - I do not argue, but still I have no doubt that the United States, with its characteristic "softness and unobtrusiveness", pressed Japan. Why have no doubt? Yes, because the pragmatic Japanese calculated the cost ten times before the start of development, and since the development was started, it means that the calculations were quite fine. And suddenly: "too expensive."
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 5 March 2018 11: 23
              +2
              The Japanese (like the Americans) could not calculate that
              China will rearm at such an unprecedented rate. China has taken everyone by surprise.
              The Japanese have their own assembly plant for the F-35.
              And your assembly plant F-15. But factories are of low productivity. In peacetime.
              And an armed conflict with China could erupt at any time.
              Not a nuclear war, namely the “ego war” (who is the boss here, in the Far East!).
              And the Japanese realized that they were behind. We need modern aircraft, and not
              in single copies.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 11: 27
                +2
                Well: a large giraffe - he knows better. Just do not forget who needs a hotbed of tension in the Far East and who will cut coupons from this.
      3. parkello
        parkello 5 March 2018 10: 08
        +6
        everything is much more prosaic than Monos, they will not master production in this decade. and understand this. It will be cheaper to buy and modify the F-35 than to create your own. this is not Russia for you. which has everything for this, even the testing ground in the form of ATS. in fact, to build a combat aircraft, and even able to withstand competition today, no one except Russia is capable of. even the Americans are no longer capable. not to mention all other countries. China only knows what is good to copy. they just understand that having that scientific potential and natural resources, their navel will unleash to create a 5th generation fighter. in other areas they have no equal yes. but in the field of military aviation they won’t even catch up with Sweden. even if they stumble and create a combat-ready machine, it will not have super-qualities ... this sheepskin is not worth the effort in other words. and the Americans already have this machine on the assembly line. and let it an iron, but by and large they don’t need more. because if a real war starts, they will simply be washed off by the next tsunami ...
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 5 March 2018 12: 21
          +1
          The Chinese have the 5th generation - it’s said a lot. They still could not write full-fledged engines even for their 4th generation, because the resource is many times less than Russian analogues.
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis 5 March 2018 12: 53
            +5
            Quote: Black Colonel
            The Chinese have the 5th generation - it’s said a lot. They still could not write full-fledged engines even for their 4th generation, because the resource is many times less than Russian analogues.

            By the way, yes. Cruising supersonic (one of the signs of the 5th generation) is not only aerodynamics, but also engines.
      4. Orionvit
        Orionvit 5 March 2018 15: 48
        0
        And how many enthusiastic screams were on the forum, a couple of years ago, when this "pepelats" just took off (though it lost something right away). Like, Japan will once again show everyone and give it to everyone. Well, the result? She gave it to the Americans, and showed the rest that "not all progress is made to the Japanese." Not pulled "Japan mother" such a thing as modern aviation. True, some here put the “Subaru” as an example, so what? For example, I like halva, but I do not shout that the Turks are the coolest confectioners.
    3. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 5 March 2018 09: 38
      +1
      If the plane will be the same as Japanese cartoons then it is better not worth it. wassat
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 5 March 2018 09: 40
        0
        Quote: Spartanez300
        the same as Japanese cartoons
        Don't you like anime?
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 5 March 2018 10: 21
          +7
          Quote: Greenwood
          Quote: Spartanez300
          the same as Japanese cartoons
          Don't you like anime?

          And why love him? :)
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 5 March 2018 10: 25
            +1
            This is an anime. laughing I know a bunch of people who drag themselves from it and download gigabytes from torrents. And looks in the evenings. And these are adults 20-30 years old.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 5 March 2018 11: 17
              0
              Some look at 40-50 years.)
              1. Fkjydjckfrgh
                Fkjydjckfrgh 5 March 2018 11: 43
                0
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Some look at 40-50 years.)

                “He’s fucked up, he has a scar on his head, he’s not afraid of pain ... and he’s always 14” (c)
            2. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 5 March 2018 11: 20
              +6
              Quote: Greenwood
              This is an anime. laughing I know a bunch of people who drag themselves from it and download gigabytes from torrents. And looks in the evenings. And these are adults 20-30 years old.

              Only formally adults.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 5 March 2018 14: 08
        +1
        Quote: Spartanez300
        If the plane will be the same as Japanese cartoons then it is better not worth it.

        Transforming in flight and growing tentacles? laughing
    4. Falcond
      Falcond 5 March 2018 10: 16
      0
      The Americans probably told them so)
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 5 March 2018 10: 24
      0
      And what is he to them? No American missile defense will protect him. crying
    6. bazzbazz
      bazzbazz 5 March 2018 10: 45
      0
      Japan is losing its identity, completely bent under the mattresses.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 5 March 2018 09: 30
    +1
    Initially, it was clear that America would not allow the vassal to create his own plane. Otherwise, how to pay for the F-35?! The same thing happened once with the Jewish Lavi.
  3. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 5 March 2018 09: 31
    +1
    The reason is a "voluntary - forced" purchase of the F-35. Vae victis! And then God forbid the plane will turn out better than that of the Yankees.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 5 March 2018 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: Knizhnik
      And then God forbid the plane will turn out better than that of the Yankees.

      Why would he be better? This is not a robot musician or a toilet bowl with music.
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 5 March 2018 11: 35
        +1
        And why not give the opportunity to create and "bring" your plane? Let them do it ourselves, and then we will all be compared together with a robot musician and a toilet bowl with music. The skin of an unkilled bear is not only not shared, but also not evaluated hi
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 5 March 2018 11: 52
          0
          Quote: Knizhnik
          And why not give the opportunity to create and "bring" your plane?

          So there was an opportunity, but they don’t need it, here they need a toilet with music and they made it, but there is no plane.
          1. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 5 March 2018 12: 43
            0
            but they don’t need

            Who decided that? You? Trump? The pope
  4. Vincent
    Vincent 5 March 2018 09: 31
    0
    What for? "The umbrella is full of holes" (C)
  5. san4es
    san4es 5 March 2018 09: 35
    +4
    Japan may refuse to develop the domestic fighter

    hi
    The main aircraft contractor is Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. In 2004, to demonstrate the possibility of creating advanced military developments, it was decided to create their own fifth-generation fighter, built using stealth technology. However, the project was not considered for arming.
    The X-2 made its first flight on April 22, 2016. The plane started from the airfield in Nagoya

    26 May 2017 city
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 March 2018 09: 37
    +2
    “Great expectations were placed on this project - the Japanese defense department insisted on the preservation and development of national aircraft construction technologies ”,

    Before the first and last departure, "drove" a stack of sake, a bandage on his head and without a parachute - "On the fly!" Chassis immediately fall off in the air so that the samurai does not change his mind. bully
  7. taiga2018
    taiga2018 5 March 2018 09: 47
    +1
    Japanese, make TVs, cars, etc., but don’t even dare to climb into the territory of the US military-industrial complex, because Hiroshima and Nagasaki are already shot ...
  8. driver
    driver 5 March 2018 09: 47
    +2
    And before they knew how to do it. The Zero was a nightmare for American pilots at the start of the war. And now that's it, buy what the occupier gives.
  9. viralig
    viralig 5 March 2018 09: 50
    0
    Well, as I said earlier, Japan will abandon its plane. There were objective reasons for this, the main one being US pressure. It was a pity, of course, an interesting idea.
  10. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 5 March 2018 09: 55
    +1
    Interestingly, did they consider that the money would leave the country when buying f-35? If they buy their own, then this is jobs in their country and part of the money will be returned in the form of taxes, and what is cheaper then?
  11. d1975
    d1975 5 March 2018 09: 57
    +1
    Quote: Nasr
    Just - it didn’t work ... tongue

    With sovereignty or a fighter? laughing
  12. cats
    cats 5 March 2018 10: 07
    +3
    Of course it's easier to buy ...
    Soon, Japanese children will be striped too,
    for a small fee ..
  13. Falcond
    Falcond 5 March 2018 10: 21
    0
    They will give up their own, they will not buy their own .. and then it turns out that their aviation industry has gone into oblivion!))

    Gentlemen ... then all the Japanese tease ... and criticize ... that they say they are going to buy American! ... And how would you sing if they decided our Su-35 ... or something else ... to buy?) )
  14. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 5 March 2018 10: 38
    +4
    Japanese Zero during the war were one of the most effective fighters.
    1. Fkjydjckfrgh
      Fkjydjckfrgh 5 March 2018 11: 51
      0
      Quote: Sergey D_2
      Japanese Zero during the war were one of the most effective fighters.

      The crowd and the sly, on the first hit - fell apart
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 5 March 2018 13: 02
        +5
        Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh

        The crowd and the sly

        This is called "concentration of effort" and "realization of the advantage in height." According to Pokryshkin - "height-speed-maneuver-fire." In American - "boom-zoom" (there is a longer variation a la Pokryshkin) ..
        on first hit - falling apart

        This is yes, with reservations. Zero did not have a cabin reservation and tanks were not inspected. It wouldn’t fall apart from just falling. If only because the Americans almost did not use guns, but relied on machine guns.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 March 2018 14: 39
          +2
          Quote: Avis-bis
          This is called "concentration of effort" and "realization of the advantage in height." According Pokryshkin - "height-speed-maneuver-fire"

          Hehe hehe ... the funniest thing is that this tactic is American. The only suitable tactics for Yankee fighters, which before the Halleks were not distinguished by maneuverability.
          The Japanese, however, ran into individual craftsmanship and dogfight. On which, in the end, they got burnt, having faced the team work of the Yankees. At the same Midway, five and a half dozen “zeros” chased the five “wildcats” of Tech - and they dispersed, EMNIP, with an equal result for the shot down.
          In Aviation and Time, there were excerpts from the memoirs of one of the Japanese aces - he howled like a wolf, watching his squadron comrades instead of team work chasing a pair of American fighter jets at all, absolutely not paying attention to the fact that another pair fell into their tail Yankees. Or try to impose individual fights on the Yankees acting as a team. smile
          Quote: Avis-bis
          This is yes, with reservations. Zero did not have a cabin reservation and tanks were not inspected. It wouldn’t fall apart from just falling.

          Let's just say that the outstanding characteristics of the Zero were bought at the price of outstanding shortcomings. But while in the Zero cockpits sat the pre-war graduates of the flight school, day-seeing stars in the sky (and among the Americans - alternative-minded pilots climbing on “decks” in dogfight), Japanese fighters were used so that their advantages were used to the full, and deficiencies offset by tactics. In short, the Zero was a fighter for the elite.
          But when the pre-war shots of the Japanese were knocked out, and the Americans registered in the cockpit those who, at the training stage, had hammered all the strengths and weaknesses of the Zero - here the Japanese became ill. Because the massive Japanese frame could no longer compensate for the shortcomings and stick out the virtues - but the Yankees knew exactly what to do and what not to do in the battle with Zero:
          1. Never attempt to engage in a dogfight with a Zero
          2. Never attempt to maneuver with the Zero at speeds below three hundred (300) miles per hour on the speedometer [483 km / h], unless you are behind it.
          3. Never chase the Zero vertically at low speeds. (Those armed with aircraft at large angles may begin to stall, while the Zero will only reach the speed most favorable for maneuvering. Here it will be possible to complete the loop with the attack from the back quarter).
          The most important features that should be taken into account when developing successful Zero counteraction tactics are its insufficient roll speed at high speeds and its engine failures in conditions of negative overloads [the result of using a float carburetor and, at the same time, an explanation of the “slide effect”].
          [...]
          Large ailerons provide the aircraft with high maneuverability at speeds of up to three hundred (300) miles per hour on the speedometer. At speeds above three hundred (300) miles per hour on the speedometer, it becomes almost impossible to change the direction of the turn.
          The Zero pivot speed from right to left is much higher than from left to right.
          © midnike
  15. viralig
    viralig 5 March 2018 10: 48
    +2
    So I’m talking about something that, according to the idea, a good bird should have been. Yes, the United States hacked - they need to start up their series so that the unit price is reduced, not for nothing that they teased North Korea - to put both missile defense and their planes, so that it looks motivated for the rest of the world.
  16. gukoyan
    gukoyan 5 March 2018 10: 48
    0
    Of course, they will refuse their own plane, the owners pushed their F-35, so the Japanese have little choice)
  17. arhPavel
    arhPavel 5 March 2018 10: 58
    0
    Good for us, bad for the development of aviation in general.
    Preparing defense against one type of weapon is easier. That's just for aviation, Japanese is not even a good topic is an experience that is the son of difficult mistakes.
  18. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 5 March 2018 11: 21
    +2
    It is necessary for mattresses to vparivat their Fu-35 to their "partners" (and rather vassals).
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 5 March 2018 11: 37
      0
      The money issue is a different story there, the rotation of the price of 1 plane by the way was discussed at VO. Even Norway managed to cram.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 5 March 2018 11: 42
        +1
        The Fu-35, in fact, was developed in order to match the maximum majority of countries, but money must be beaten off. Now, of course, it has fallen in price, but an astronomical amount has been spent on development.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 5 March 2018 11: 49
          +2
          It was a little different: the plane by plane, but no one canceled it. And then Trump with his grunts that the Allies invest little in NATO. So they shoved everyone who has a good budget surplus laughing
  19. kos2910
    kos2910 5 March 2018 12: 33
    0
    More expensive than masterclasses? Nightmare...
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 5 March 2018 14: 20
    0
    According to the newspaper, the Japanese military command is considering two options: “go to the joint development of a fighter with a country or completely abandon the project and purchase additional F-35A

    Fragment of a kholuy, occupied country. good
  21. Stoler
    Stoler 5 March 2018 23: 05
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    Repetition of the Israeli "Lavi" project. One to one.
  22. gromoboj
    gromoboj 6 March 2018 13: 22
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    All right nefig develop your own. Cut the prototype, and destroy the documentation.
    And that’s what you thought of doing your own thing. fi-35 is not willing to buy.