Where are the PLA "driven"? New increase in military spending in China

Chinese news agencies publish information about China’s plans to substantially increase military spending. It became known that the official Beijing plans to bring the expenditure part to 175 billion dollars. This is about 8% more than existing indicators.

It is about 175 billion dollars that China plans to spend on military needs in 2018. According to this indicator (the level of expenditure on the maintenance of the army), China is in second place after the United States, whose military expenditures are not yet attainable by anyone - more than 600 billion freshly printed dollars.

China’s military spending has been rising in recent years. So, in 2017, the increase was approximately 7%. Beijing has recently carried out a record increase in spending on the maintenance of the army in 2011. Then the increase was almost 13%.

Against this background, the chairman of the Chinese Cabinet of Ministers, Li Keqiang, declared China’s readiness to continue the large-scale reform of the armed forces. From the statement of the Chinese Premier (translation RIA News):

We will continue the reform of the national defense system and the armed forces, as well as continue to build strong and durable modern border, sea and air defense.

One of the stages of the reform is an increase in the percentage of military equipment and weapons produced in China. Also, emphasis is placed on the introduction of digital technology.

Comments

[aszzz888]

Grandmas are, they can afford. And the mericatos do not allow to relax. Meanwhile, the Chinese oligarchs do not know where to put the money ....

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: aszzz888

Grandmas have, can afford. Yes, and the merikatos do not give to relax.

Is the USA occupying the PRC?

[dSK]

In China all the economy is growing at such a pace. The defense with the "strain" can overcome 15%.

[aszzz888]

zyablik.olga Today, 06:21 ... The USA is occupying the PRC? wassat

Meagerly ... look at the situation in the controversial issues of the islands, in the foreign policy of the Mericats ... enough. Because I do not want to throw beads before .....

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: aszzz888

Poorly ...

It is insanely so to communicate with strangers!

Quote: aszzz888

Look at the situation in the controversial issues of the islands, in the foreign policy of the mericats ...

Yes? Thousands of tanks and MRBD that are unable to reach the territory of the United States, but cover most of Russia, do the Chinese need to defend the islands?

Quote: aszzz888

enough. because I do not want to throw beads before ....

Or maybe you just are not in the subject, and even I understand this issue better?

[72jora72]

Yes? Thousands of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles that are unable to reach the United States, but cover most of Russia, do the Chinese need to defend the islands? no

The main opponents of China in the region are Japan, South Korea, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, plus plans to return Taiwan ........ enough?

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: 72jora72

Japan, South Korea, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, plus plans for the return of Taiwan ........ enough?

Do you know the plans of the Chinese General Staff? Do not share?
Chinese MRBD threatens Vietnam and Bangladesh ... Do you know what radius DF-21 have? Do you think they are aimed at Japan, Taiwan and Korea?

[aszzz888]

zyablik.olga Today, 06:34 ... Or maybe you're just not in the subject, and even I understand this issue better?

A flag in hands, but I have no doubts about this.

World War III begins not in Russia
Yesterday, 22: 32
Daily in Russian news appears information about events in Syria. Many say that they are capable of creating big problems for the world community, since the interests of several large players clashed there. But there is another region that is hardly remembered, where the risk of a collision of superpowers is no less than in the Middle East. It is about the South China Sea.




At first glance, there is nothing alarming. The warm sea, the bright sun and golden sand do not cause a feeling of danger at all. But it was precisely here that the interests of two powerful world powers clashed - the USA and China.

In early March, the Vietnamese port of Danang awaits the arrival of the American aircraft carrier Carl Vinson, on board of which 72 units of military aircraft are located. Although there were very dark pages in the history of US-Vietnamese relations, now the United States and Vietnam are allies. And they united in the face of a strong and formidable adversary - China.

This visit can be called historical for two reasons. Firstly, since the Vietnam War, an American warship will visit this country for the first time. And secondly, the purpose of this visit is to demonstrate to the Chinese their strength and show that they are not alone in the South China Sea. This was explicitly stated by the captain of the warship Douglas Verissimo. In addition to Vietnam, the aircraft carrier will also visit the ports of Indonesia and Malaysia.

"Karl Vinson" - this is not the only American warship plowing these waters. The forces of two fleets — the 3rd and 7th — were drawn into this region from other regions of the Pacific Ocean. Considering that the US naval forces have six fleets in total, such an accumulation of US military vessels in one place can be called unprecedented.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: aszzz888

A flag in hands, but I have no doubts about this.

In addition to the boorish communication style, that's all, but what are you capable of?
Compare the capabilities of CTOF and the Chinese Navy. However, probably for you it is too difficult ... "To croon" and to be rude is much easier, isn't it?

[raw174]

I’ll put in my 5 kopecks if you don’t mind ...

Quote: zyablik.olga

Thousands of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles that are unable to reach the United States, but cover most of Russia, do the Chinese need to defend the islands?

China is not profitable to fight with Russia under any circumstances, and all these notorious maps of China to the Urals are nonsense! For several reasons:
1. Russia for China is certainly a more convenient neighbor than the countries of the NATO bloc and the United States. If you start a fuss with the Russian Federation, there is every chance to rake over the wort, while they will immediately rush to the "assistants" in the USA and have to share with them at least or fight for resources, but do they need it? no, for they will not take them out ...
2. If not Russia, where will the Chinese take ideas for their weapons? What did they create themselves? what weapons system without copying? Yes, they can build, stamp, but they cannot invent ... We have the opposite problem, we need to be friends ...
3. In what serious war did the Chinese win? I am not a historian, but in my opinion they were beaten by all and sundry ... They are hard workers, but not warriors.
Of all these reasons, the most significant is the first.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: raw174

Russia for China is certainly a more convenient neighbor than the countries of the NATO bloc and the United States.

How do you decide that China needs the whole territory of the Russian Federation?

Quote: raw174

If not Russia, where will the Chinese get ideas for their weapons?

And what can we offer them new? All that they bought in the past are Soviet designs.

Quote: raw174

In which serious war did the Chinese win?

It was the Chinese who took the Korean War as a cover for Soviet fighters, preventing the DPRK from being defeated. Do not underestimate the Chinese soldiers. It is a great honor to serve in the army in China.

[raw174]

Quote: zyablik.olga

How do you decide that China needs the whole territory of the Russian Federation?

Not all, let’s put it to the Urals, but the rest will inevitably go to the United States (saying the United States I mean their allies in Europe). For the collapse of Russia and take its territory under control - the wet dreams of the United States ... However, the neighborhood is not good ...

Quote: zyablik.olga

And what can we offer them new? All that they bought in the past are Soviet designs.

And do you think that the engineering idea of ​​our defense industry stopped with the collapse of the USSR? I think that without us they would not have launched rockets, they don’t invent, but buy ready-made and do the same ...

Quote: zyablik.olga

It was the Chinese who took out the Korean war under the guise of Soviet fighters, preventing the defeat of the DPRK

And what would happen without cover? .. The question is open.

Quote: zyablik.olga

Do not underestimate the Chinese soldiers. It is a great honor to serve in the army in China.

Surely an honor, but something doesn’t come out to fight it ... Of course, hatred is evil, but China does not need a war with the Russian Federation, even sharp geopolitical rivalry is not needed, partnership is more advantageous.

[Glock]

Putin said a lot of new superweapons were created secretly from everyone, who had no analogues and in a short time. I caught the Chinese comrades by surprise probably just think, a flying reactor with an unpredictable trajectory. Frightened and increased costs. You too would probably be scared after the cartoons from the President of Russia, he’s not lying

[mkop]

The main thing is to relax in America - we don’t have weapons at all. A stone club is the height of our development. But do not worry, relax, relax. Takni from cardboard with us, airplanes cannot overcome gravity, and beat against the firmament of heaven. And you have the technology, you’ll get bogged down, and how you bomb your enemies with planes with your hammers is a sight for sore eyes. Where do we go to your technology ...

[Finches]

Well, what do you want? Chain reaction - Trump increases defense spending and shakes with grandeur, GDP does not lag behind, but here we have no choice, and Uncle Xi wants to stay in history like the Great Helmsman, but here you can’t do without an army ... Humanity is interestingly arranged - about a ruler who had the best and most affordable medicine or education, only professional historians will remember, but someone who had a million tanks will be remembered for centuries as about Caesar ...

[shans2]

Only in 2018, Russia reduced defense spending, but did not increase, unlike other countries. All the major expensive OCDs have already been made), weapons developed.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

in principle, we must proceed from the fact that we have no "friends" .. well, Alexander III, already said ...

[Herculesic]

They would learn how to do firstly, their equipment, and not “pirates” from other countries, and start making high-quality equipment! And then after all, 300 billions of dollars can be spent on the purchase of weapons, which in a couple of years just rot in boxes, or fall apart in the field.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Herkulesich

They would learn how to do firstly, their equipment, and not “pirates” from other countries, and start making high-quality equipment! And then after all, 300 billions of dollars can be spent on the purchase of weapons, which in a couple of years just rot in boxes, or fall apart in the field.

They are already doing the technique normally. According to the stories of those who were at the aircraft factory in Shenyang, the manufacturing quality of aviation equipment is even higher than at KnAAPO. Moreover, China has developed and mass-produced types of weapons, which we do not yet have.

[Herculesic]

Olga ! They don’t have their main design school, they have stereotypical thinking, and they, I repeat, are really incapable of catching up with our design idea, creating weapons that are even absolutely equal to ours, and not that they blind something superior, and that have no world analogues. As long as they live by the thefts of ideas, their technology will always lag behind our generation for whatever they lie.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Herkulesich

Olga hi! They have no main thing - their own design school, they have stereotypical thinking, and they really, I repeat, are really unable to catch up with our design thought, creating a weapon even completely equal to ours, and not something that dazzles something superior and has no world analogues . As long as they live by the theft of ideas, their equipment will always be behind ours for a generation, whatever they may say.

Sorry, I do not know your name ... As for the rest, a big mistake is to consider the Chinese as fools or inferior, unable to create something new. For example, several years ago, the equipment produced for the PLA was completely transferred to the element base and software of its own production. Can we brag about it? Do many fans scream on the site "Urya" (this does not apply to you) know what the share of the import element base (mainly Chinese) is in the avionics of the Su-35С fighter, which they build on KnAPO?
The point is not only how much they spend on the army in China, but also spending on education and basic research plays a huge role.

[Herculesic]

Olga ! My name is Sergey. And according to Chinese technology, even “stuffed” with microelectronics, so to speak, a copy, always only a copy! For example, compare the performance characteristics of a Chinese drone (claimed) and the same for the analogue from the usa. I am silent about the fact that REALLY the armor of Chinese tanks is of very low quality! This is forever the headache of their military-industrial complex - the lack of its technology of steel ligation.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Herkulesich

always just a copy!

They are VERY quick to learn, and the quality of Chinese manufacturers is growing very fast. In microelectronics, albeit copied, the Chinese are ahead of the rest. And it’s very stupid to believe that China’s adversary is either the United States, or India and Vietnam - war ALWAYS implies some sort of prize. In the war with the United States and India, China will not receive absolutely any military trophies. Russia is the only country in the attack on which China will receive some sort of prize in the form of sparsely populated territories.

[Uryukc]

Why Vietnam is not a prize for you? He even has nuclear weapons and no other strategic weapons. Landing of India or Japan is a prize in itself, because disputed issues will be settled, competitors will be moved. It is not necessary to occupy territories in order to benefit from them.
For China, there is nothing more stupid than attacking the Russian Federation because in this case they will be alone against everyone (if successful), they will lose the only potential ally who is able to REALLY confront the West, and even now they are not in the most advantageous geopolitical position. So do not breed China Phobia.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Uryukc

For China, there is nothing dumber than attacking the Russian Federation

Isn’t it stupid to fight with the USA? Much more stupid. USA overseas, they have the same nuclear weapons. and most of China’s economy is exported to the United States. So if China decides to war with the country possessing nuclear weapons, it will be Russia. And believe me, the whole Western world will support China in this.
Across Vietnam - what can war with Vietnam give China except hemorrhoids?

[Uryukc]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Isn’t it stupid to fight with the USA?

Yes, I do not claim that it is advisable for them to fight the United States.

Quote: Ingvar 72

And believe me, the whole Western world will support China in this.

You are so categorical. Does the Western world need China for all of Eurasia?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Across Vietnam - what can war with Vietnam give China except hemorrhoids?

1. Do I understand Vietnam with less hemorrhoids than with the Russian Federation?
2. That the Japanese, that the French did not disdain Vietnam and China will not.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Uryukc

Does the Western world need China for all of Eurasia?

The Western world does not need Russia, this is a key moment. For this, Hitler was raised at one time. And Japan was set against Russia at the time.

Quote: Uryukc

I correctly understand with Vietnam hemorrhoids less than with the Russian Federation?

With Vietnam, hemorrhoids are not less, much less than the prize pool. Why start a war?

[Uryukc]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The Western world does not need Russia, this is a key moment.

I suspect they don’t need China, and for them the best deal is when we are at enmity and restrain each other, and not at all a victory of one of the powers.

Quote: Ingvar 72

For this, Hitler was once raised. And Japan was set against Russia at the time.

Yeah, and then they began to shed their blood to hold him back. I repeat once again, obviously the “partners” need protracted and debilitating conflicts between their competitors, and not the victory of one of them. It's time for us to pay the same coin.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Why start a war?

And for what had Vietnam been conquered before ?? Revanchism (at one time China controlled Vietnam through a puppet government), control over resources, control of the South China Sea, reasons no less than on the northern borders.

[albert]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Isn’t it stupid to fight with the USA? Much more stupid. USA overseas

That's right, but you do not take into account the comrade - not China was going to fight with the USA, but America with China.

[Bongo]

Quote: Herkulesich

This is forever the headache of their military-industrial complex - the lack of its technology of steel ligation.

Sorry, but by my first education I’m a metallurgist. In technology alloying steel there is nothing complicated. To make high-quality armor of the Chinese industry is quite capable. At least when testing in the United States captured Chinese tanks created on the basis of the T-55, the Americans came to the conclusion that their protection was at the level of the Soviet counterpart. So far, we have no reason to believe that their modern tanks in the frontal projection are worse protected than the Soviet T-72.
Another question is that the PRC has not yet learned how to obtain products from titanium alloys with the necessary parameters, which significantly limits the resource of their aircraft engines. But given the amount of money that China spends on basic research, it is a matter of time.

[twviewer]

But given the amount of money that China spends on basic research, it is a matter of time.

moreover, highly qualified foreign specialists in China receive more than in the USA, comrade Xi sends greetings to the couch specialists

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Herkulesich

And according to the Chinese technology, even so-called "stuffed" with microelectronics, a copy is always only a copy!

Sergey, those who from our aircraft factory visited China, have a completely different opinion. Yes, they copy a lot, but the USSR in 20-30 years frankly a lot of copy-paste foreign samples. There is nothing wrong with that. China is developing by leaps and bounds and do not underestimate the pragmatism of this people. The Chinese act as it is profitable for them, they have no friends, only interests.

[Sands Careers General]

They already do the technique normally.

At the tank biathlon in their tank rink fell off. Was funny.

According to the stories of those who were at the Shenyang aircraft factory, the manufacturing quality of automotive equipment is even higher than at KnAAPO.

I doubt it very much. Does China have analogues of the Russian last "dryers"?

Moreover, China has developed and mass-produced types of weapons that we do not yet have.

What?

[Per se.]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

At the tank biathlon in their tank rink fell off. Was funny.

Rather, it is ridiculous to perceive this military show as an indicator of combat training or the quality of equipment. In addition, even if we take as a basis the postulate that a copy or analog is obviously worse than the original, with a ratio of 5 to 1, and, moreover, 10 to 1 in quantitative superiority on the battlefield, this is no longer significant, especially in high-quality combat training in the PLA, the high fighting spirit of the Chinese military. Add to this the treacherous decisions on the "demarcation" of the border, with the unilateral transfer of the Russian territories to the Chinese and the withdrawal of troops to 100 kilometers from the border, this deprived us of a prepared line of fortified areas, which had to be mothballed. Only Russia lost here, the Chinese did not create defensive lines, their entire border infrastructure was initially offensive in nature, which allowed them to quickly build up troops at the border, and a network of multi-kilometer underground tunnels to the border. allows you to increase the concentration of troops, not only quickly, but secretly. After copying the Chinese C-300 and Su-27, no matter how you try to make fun of them, sell them after C-400 and Su-35, the very dubious effect of our merchants and pseudo-politicians. So, there are few reasons for optimism.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Per se.

Add to this the treacherous decisions on the "demarcation" of the border, with the unilateral transfer of the Russian territories to the Chinese and the withdrawal of troops to 100 kilometers from the border, this deprived us of a prepared line of fortified areas, which had to be mothballed.

About the "conservation", you are very hot. Most are simply destroyed.

[Bongo]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

What?

For example UAV CAIG Wing Loong, ballistic anti-ship missiles DF-21D, AWACS KJ-200, KJ-500 and ZDK-03, destroyers such as 052D and 055 ... You certainly will not be difficult to bring Russian analogues serially built.

[Sands Careers General]

Okay, there’s a list of Chinese technology. Is there any certainty that this technique is of high quality, polished in real battles? I do not think so.

Of course, it will not be difficult for you to cite Russian counterparts being mass-produced.

I am not a Russian serviceman, therefore I can not know about the new military-industrial complex. Even if he knew, he did not say. I’m not used to wagging my tongue, and silently, silently, do not sleep.

[Bongo]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Okay, there’s a list of Chinese technology. Is there any certainty that this technique is of high quality, polished in real battles? I do not think so.

Your conjectures are your conjectures ... faith is often antagonistic to knowledge, but we are not in the church, are we?
If you are not able to defend your point of view, then why even start this conversation?
As for the quality of Chinese products, AWACS, fighter jets and air defense systems are actively promoting and are in demand on the foreign market. However, based on your logic, then buyers are probably "stupid people" and simply do not know where to spend their money.

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

I am not a Russian soldier, therefore I can not know about the new military-industrial complex.

And why for what? No one asks you to provide secret characteristics or a description of the functioning of the nodes. You can simply list the analogues.

[Sands Careers General]

Your speculation is your speculation ...

And to evaluate the technique virtually, without experience and concept, is this not your speculation? Or do you work in China, in the defense industry?

If you are not able to defend your point of view

And I’m not going to. I am a busy person. I expressed my opinion, if anyone does not agree with him, this is his personal business.

As for the quality of Chinese products, they are actively promoting and are in demand on the foreign market

Because stupidly cheap in every sense. For a long time, China will be laundered from its own brand "Made in China" which implies a copy at a very low price and the same quality.

PS And yes, so in what military conflicts does China run its "advanced" weapons, huh?

[Bongo]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And to evaluate the technique virtually, without experience and concept, is this not your speculation?

Excuse me, but who doubted that in the PRC there are weapons for which there are no analogues in Russia?

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Or do you work in China, in the defense industry?

Some on the site know how I make a living, there are even colleagues.

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And I’m not going to. I am a busy person. I expressed my opinion, if anyone does not agree with him, this is his personal business.

It is clear that making unsubstantiated statements is much easier than admitting that you are wrong.

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Because stupidly cheap in every sense. For a long time, China will be laundered from its own brand "Made in China" which implies a copy at a very low price and the same quality.

Take an interest in the share of Chinese components in Russian defense products, for example, about Su-35С. This is publicly available online.

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And yes, so in what military conflicts does China run its "advanced" weapons, huh?

In regional conflicts, Chinese weapons have been and are being used very intensively. A lot of weapons and equipment made in China or manufactured under a Chinese license in Iran, from where it for example falls into Yemen.

[Sands Careers General]

It is clear that making unsubstantiated statements is much easier than admitting that you are wrong.

What is my unprovenness and what exactly I am wrong.

Some on the site know how I make a living, there are even colleagues.

Here I am, for example, not some. Can share?

Take an interest in the share of Chinese components in Russian products

Why be interested? And so it is clear that electronic chips can be Chinese, like everywhere and around the world. But Russia is slowly producing its own electronics, and in the future it will most likely move. It is incredibly difficult for any country to be an automobile, and this is not necessary at all.

[Uryukc]

Quote: Bongo

AWACS KJ-200, KJ-500 and ZDK-03

Why is the A-50 worse than the listed AWACS? Yes, there is no analogue of the DF-21D, but there is a dagger, as for me we should not be jealous. But you are right with the destroyers, here we envy, this is expensive pleasure.

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

What is worse than the A-50 above listed AWACS?

It is not worse, they are cars of different classes and it is not correct to compare them, as for the A-50, the PLA Air Force has its own analogue.

Quote: Uryukc

Yes there is no analogue of DF-21D, but there is a Dagger

Are you sure that these are not election fables, and this model is in service as the DF-21D?

[Uryukc]

Quote: Bongo

these are cars of a different class and it is not correct to compare them

I am not an expert - tell us that they know what the same A-50 and our other AWACS cannot do.

Quote: Bongo

Are you sure these are not election fables,

All of our weapons are election fables, and all Chinese / American and other weapons are perfect. Cartoons Putin is not for the electorate but for the "partners" this is obvious. Rumors about hypersonic missiles have been around for a long time, I have dealt closely with the topic since the days of the USSR, there is a need and there is an opportunity. Or are you one of those who are sure that in our country only weaving bast shoes?

Quote: Bongo

and this model is in service as the DF-21D

Not all at once. We don’t have something at our disposal yet, but even they don’t have a complete set. The capabilities of strategic weapons (not only nuclear weapons) in Moscow are clearly wider than in Beijing. It is on them that they will primarily rely on in a full-blown conflict; a numerical advantage will not bring victory to the enemy.

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

All of our weapons are election fables, and all Chinese / American and other weapons are perfect. Cartoons Putin is not for the electorate but for the "partners" this is obvious. Rumors about hypersonic missiles have been around for a long time, I have dealt closely with the topic since the days of the USSR, or are you one of those who are sure that in our country only weaving bast shoes?

Regarding the "electorate" and "potential partners", you’ll excuse me, but I will remain in my opinion.
Not only bast shoes, do not exaggerate. But I do not know if you are aware of the epic with the development of weapons Su-35C? Very revealing ...

Quote: Uryukc

Not all at once. We don’t have something at our disposal yet, but even they don’t have a complete set. The capabilities of strategic weapons (not only nuclear weapons) in Moscow are clearly wider than in Beijing. It is on them that they will primarily rely on in a full-blown conflict; a numerical advantage will not bring victory to the enemy.

But with this, we have practically parity with the PRC. Their BRDS are a strategic weapon in relation to Russia.

[Uryukc]

Quote: Bongo

Regarding the "electorate" and "potential partners", you’ll excuse me, but I will remain in my opinion.

Our country’s rockets reach 1 cosmic speed, the materials and abilities of our descent capsules withstand the resistance of dense atmospheres and temperatures of thousands of degrees, while they communicate with the flight control center right during the descent ... do you believe that? or is this also a pre-election trick? But, after all, all of the above listed pass to hypersound.
After all, you saw the “Dagger” on the video and had the opportunity to evaluate its parameters by the size of the torch, its color and the color of the torch’s office, by the inversion trace, your knowledge of which you boasted would be very appropriate to apply for a critical assessment of what you saw. But no, you will not believe any photo of the Chinese threat, but not that a country in which 40 years ago they made combat missiles at a speed of 4,5 M is capable of making a missile at a speed of 6 M, even if you show the launch video. It’s interesting, what should the president or the Moscow Oblast demonstrate for the skeptics to think ??? He chewed - they’ve been doing it for 15 years !! And even without cartoons, it was clear that they had been doing this for a long time.

Quote: Bongo

But I do not know if you are aware of the epic with the development of weapons of the Su-35S? Very revealing ...

I know in general terms, and what next? Is the military-industrial complex over? Problems were and will be, but this does not cancel success and triumphs.

PS In general, it’s sad, you who joined you see any failures but do not recognize successes. Yes, the president chose a good time to “brag” with the power of the Russian Federation, this does not mean that he is bluffing. The security of our country depends on whether it is true or not. Did not the guarantor deserve our trust, even in security matters?

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

I am not an expert - tell us that they know what the same A-50 and our other AWACS cannot do.

But VO in the aviation section, there was a review of AWACS aircraft, if you want, you can look there. In my opinion, everything is extremely accessible there.

[Dr. Hub]

And I do not have good thoughts. And not just about the Chinese. If a gun hangs on a wall, it will fire sooner or later.

[shans2]

It is difficult to make hypersonic weapons if there is no one to steal them, and Russia was able to restore order by the mid-2000s and no longer allows leaks and theft of military developments). They will try to fill their backlog with money)

[Strashila]

It means that the economy of the Chinese comrades is not all right ... the figures of official reports do not correspond to reality. When they did this for the last time ... right ... during the last crisis, their figurative dope to keep the industry afloat.

[rotmistr60]

up to 175 billion dollars

The atmosphere is forcing. And when there is money, why not increase expenses. Over the past decade, China has shown that it knows what and how to do it.
For zyablik.olga

US occupy China? wassat

The question is essentially worthless. China, like Russia, is credited with the United States as enemies, and whatever the trade between these countries of the US endeavor towards China is and will be.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: rotmistr60

The question is essentially worthless. China, like Russia, is credited with the United States as enemies, and whatever the trade between these countries of the US endeavor towards China is and will be.

Question to this "high-interactive comment":

Quote: aszzz888

Yes, and the merikatos do not give to relax.

Just essentially! Look wider ... Powerful armed forces are a tool that makes you reckon with, not only opponents, but also "friends." I do not believe that the US will get involved in an armed conflict with China in the foreseeable future. But now the Chinese army has a multiple superiority over our forces in the Far East. Add to this territorial disputes with other neighbors.

[Per se.]

Quote: rotmistr60

The question is essentially worthless. China, like Russia, is credited with the United States as enemies, and whatever the trade between these countries of the US endeavor towards China is and will be.

China, like Hitler’s Germany at one time, owes much of its economic "miracle" to the United States. Hitler was led to power and closed his eyes to all violations of Versailles because they created a counterweight to the anti-USSR. After the events on Damansky, the West began to make Eastern anti-USSR already from China, closing its eyes to terry piracy in goods and theft of technology. China is needed by the United States, and not without reason, the Americans believe that China will be at war with a close and weak-dependent Russia, and not with a distant and strong US. The paradox and bitter irony of fate is that without the help of the USSR in industrialization, the Chinese would never have risen out of the mud, but when talking about their “socialism”, we should not forget about Hitler’s “socialism”, with whom we tried to be friends, seeing in the German workers' national socialist party something more akin to that of the burzhuins of France and England. What this friendship has ended with, everyone knows, but how our flirting with the Chinese "national communists" will end is a big and muddy question. Definitely, only one thing is that China has territorial claims to all neighboring countries, and does not hide its ambitions for world hegemony. I do not want to be a pessimist, but the Chinese yoke for Russia is very possible ... Believe it or not, the blissful youngster, who predicted hard fights with the Chinese for Yekaterinburg, but it is necessary to be friendly with these "brothers". By and large, Americans are less dangerous for us than Chinese nationalists.

[rotmistr60]

Concerning Chinese socialism and Hitler’s socialism, you have powerfully said. But they themselves understood what they formulated? And you are aware that the Chinese economy began to rise precisely when the Russian shuttle traders went there in a ramp. Anticipating your complete denial, I would advise you to speak with residents of a simple Far East Blagoveshchensk. They will not only theoretically tell you, but also show the Chinese Mr. Heihe, who in 20 years has moved from fanz to a real city. And today it is almost the center of trade in the Far East.

[Per se.]

Quote: rotmistr60

And you know that the Chinese economy began to rise precisely when the Russian “shuttle traders” drove there in bulk.

I know. The point is that in Russia, China has largely risen. I had to communicate with the Chinese, came to us on the issue of cooperation, helped them with the theme of the afterburner, for the "civil aircraft engine" ... What I formulated did not seem to understand exactly you, unfortunately, probably I didn’t give a good idea . I'll try again. First, the establishment of the PRC was possible thanks to the USSR and personally to Comrade Stalin, without it, the Chinese would remain in poverty, and the West would not begin to industrialize in China. Secondly, Mao’s Chinese socialism is far from international and far from being based on the principles of humanism, and the presence of China’s nationalism and territorial claims just make it dangerous, no less than the German National Socialists. That is why the West has relied on China, allowed the "Chinese miracle" to take place, creating an eastern anti-USSR, anti-Russia. You are not interested in why “red” China is not isolated, not under tough sanctions, even for the mere fact that there is a “commie”, that China has territorial claims that exceed the area of ​​modern China, that the ambitions of world hegemony are not hidden? This is despite the fact that China, besides everything else, brazenly copies someone else’s equipment, steals technology, violates all copyrights that is possible, and nothing, give China the strength to gain strength, and lay capitalist Russia on all sides. Not weird? Now, according to your "shuttle traders", yes, once the Russians helped the Chinese with industrialization, then on our shuttles and Russia as a whole, where cheap and low-quality goods poured, and China rose. Now, Chinese tourists do not run through our stores, as at the beginning of 90, they don’t buy our products, because in our stores basically all the goods are Chinese. Our traffickers, fools and traitors, to everything continue to fatten China, merging raw materials and the remaining Soviet technology. The Chinese are diligently studying everything that is still lagging behind, including our experience in the Airborne Forces, the management of large military operations, and they participate everywhere, where possible, even on these stupid jumps, "tank biathlon." Do you like the Chinese, do you believe that they will tear the Americans for us? They do not need Americans, and the Chinese hordes are not marching along the ocean across the ocean are preparing. However, what to say, if they say to you from the doorway, like, I myself understood what I said ... If you are interested, familiarize yourself with the topic without emotions and bias, there is information on the same network. If not, you are entitled to your opinion, like others.

[Vadim851]

China's GDP is 12 trillion green. It turns out that the Chinese spend about 1% of GDP on defense. This is not much compared to most countries.

[just exp]

1.5%, and this is close to what mattresses require from NATO countries.

[Vadim851]

The only thing that can be disturbing is that they are not linked by INF and can develop their nuclear forces as they like, for example, long-range missile systems on land launchers and so on.

[svp67]

One of the stages of the reform is an increase in the percentage of military equipment and weapons produced in China. Also, emphasis is placed on the introduction of digital technology.

We must look at where the main expenses will go, roughly speaking to ships or to ground forces, and from this we can already draw conclusions

[Vadim851]

Here are many ships and go. Project 055 destroyers are being built, and even 5 or 6 pieces at once, and they are pretty well, we add the destroyers 052d, the aircraft carrier, a series of URO frigates, and with the submarine fleet they also do not stand still.

[albert]

Add to that the start of the Chinese bookmarking of a new series of helicopter carriers. Taiwan will soon have fun times.

[Vadim851]

Then more so. Fleet consider the main item of expenditure they get

[bald]

A large country in all respects, hence the requests, and the desire to settle all over the world, did not disappear.

[Altona]

Quote: zyablik.olga

Do you know the plans of the Chinese General Staff? Do not share?

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They are known to all. Building up the marine component, the construction of new aircraft carriers and escort ships. Improvement of various kinds of missiles, strengthening of the space component. China is very vulnerable from sea routes, along which raw materials and goods are delivered. China also does not need a huge human army, redundant in peacetime.

[Bongo]

Quote: Altona

They are known to all. Building up the marine component, the construction of new aircraft carriers and escort ships. Improvement of various kinds of missiles, strengthening of the space component. China is very vulnerable from sea routes, along which raw materials and goods are delivered. China also does not need a huge human army, redundant in peacetime.

Good afternoon!
In part, you are right, the Chinese fleet is faced with the task of moving American AUGs from their shores beyond the range of carrier-based aircraft. By and large, they can do it now. But they do not stop there and are actively building new aircraft carriers, destroyers and submarines.

Quote: Altona

Two "Sarmatians" in Shanghai level all this power.

Are you sure that this will happen in the event of aggression by the PRC in the Far East? And are we ready to get a nuclear strike on Moscow? Several years ago, exercises were held in the Khabarovsk Territory and Primorye, on which it was planned to stop the "yellow" tactical charges on his territory.

[Altona]

Quote: zyablik.olga

But now, the Chinese army has multiple superiority over our forces in the Far East. Add territorial disputes with other neighbors here.

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Two "Sarmatians" in Shanghai level all this power.

[Ingvar 72]

So they have the same nuclear bomb!

[Uryukc]

Quote: Ingvar 72

So they have the same nuclear bomb!

The rhetorical question - do they have a missile defense system like Nudol or S-500? In addition, a preemptive strike can multiply the nuclear potential of the Celestial Empire by zero.

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

A rhetorical question - do they have missile defense systems like Nudol or C-500?

Do we have these systems adopted and put on combat duty? In general, the Chinese, unlike our lovers of PR, prefer to report on their achievements after the product is ready.

[Uryukc]

Quote: Bongo

Do we have these systems adopted and put on combat duty?

As far as I know the predecessor of Nudol, A-135 on duty since the late eighties. Nudol himself successfully completed the launch on a conditional target, so most likely it would not take long to wait.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-806.html
About C-500 is not informed in more detail. However, given that the Chinese are buying C-400 to cover Beijing with them, such a missile defense is still a long way off.

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

As far as I know the predecessor of Nudol, A-135 on duty since the late eighties.

Let's not skip the topic, you wrote about specific weapons. As for the A-135, take a look at the modern capabilities of this system.

Quote: Uryukc

Nudol himself successfully completed the launch on a conditional target, so most likely it would not take long to wait.

That's how they will be adopted, then we'll talk.

Quote: Uryukc

About C-500 is not informed in more detail. However, given that the Chinese are buying C-400 to cover Beijing with them, such a missile defense is still a long way off.

And how many divisions they bought do you know? And why such conclusions? Maybe tell me something new about the PRC air defense system?

[Uryukc]

Launching mines roam the sky, no?

[Uryukc]

Quote: Bongo

Let's not skip the topic,

And who jumps about Nudol I also wrote.

Quote: Bongo

That's how they will be adopted, then we'll talk.

What prevents us from talking now)) Yes, Nudol is not ready, but his Chinese counterpart is simply not there. As for me, the difference is very significant.

Quote: Bongo

And how many divisions they bought do you know? And why such conclusions?

It seems like 2. Since it’s uncommon when the capital of a state is protected by a foreign air defense system, especially if that state has its own better. This is at least strange, no?

Quote: Bongo

Maybe tell me something new about the PRC air defense system?

Maybe I’ll tell you to evaluate the “novelty”))

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

What prevents us from talking now)) Yes, Nudol is not ready, but his Chinese counterpart is simply not there. As for me, the difference is very significant.

Unfortunately, in our country over the past decade, it very often happens that the testing and refinement of new weapons is very delayed. A striking example of this is a long-range missile for the C-400 and difficulties with the C-500.

Along the borders with Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation, China has built several structures very similar to our Don-2 radar. The purpose of these facilities in China does not comment. There is no doubt that the creation of anti-ballistic missiles in China is also underway and the Chinese may well surprise the world.

Quote: Uryukc

From the fact that when the capital of a state is not comfortable, the foreign air defense complex protects it, especially if this state has its own better. This is at least strange, no?

Please remind me how many S-400 divisions have been acquired in China? I can confidently say that at least one of them will be deployed at an interdepartmental missile range in the Gobi Desert. What do you think, for what?
In addition, the proportion of S-300PMU / PMU1 / PMU2 SAMs to the PLA is not as large as is commonly believed. Recent modifications of the HQ-9 and HQ-16 are not even bad. And the Chinese sky is mainly covered by systems and complexes of Chinese origin.

Quote: Uryukc

Maybe I’ll tell you to evaluate the “novelty”))

It would be interesting to read, but criticism in the case of explicit "stocks" can be harsh. I am well acquainted with this topic.

[svp67]

Quote: Bongo

Unfortunately, in our country over the past decade, it very often happens that the testing and refinement of new weapons is very delayed.

You might have thought otherwise before. It is now necessary to change many methods, as the current apparatus and equipment can reduce the time for testing, and we have everything in the old fashioned way.

[Bongo]

Quote: svp67

You might have thought otherwise before.

I assure you, earlier the terms for testing air defense equipment were much less. In addition, in Soviet times, our leaders did not tryndeli that a new model was about to enter the troops. You can remember when they began to promise to adopt the Su-57. And with the long-range missiles 40Н6 generally a disgrace, for 10 years, "breakfast is fed."

[svp67]

Quote: Bongo

You can remember when they began to promise to adopt the Su-57. And with the long-range SAM 40N6, it’s a disgrace in general, for 10 years now they’ve been "fed breakfast"

No, it seems so. If you carefully familiarize yourself with the stories of creating all the new designs, you can see that when everything was not smooth. Yes, there was a time when weapons and military equipment were taken at the design stage, but this did not relieve them of the long refinement process, which was delayed due to the fact that it was much more difficult to make changes to production models than to the experimental ones.

[Uryukc]

Quote: Bongo

Unfortunately, in our country over the past decade, it very often happens that the testing and refinement of new weapons is very delayed.

svp67 is right - complex projects are therefore complex because their implementation can drag on unpredictably. So it was and will be with us and the Chinese.

Quote: Bongo

SAM S-300PMU / PMU1 / PMU2 to the PLA is not as large as is commonly believed. Recent modifications of the HQ-9 and HQ-16 are not even bad.

Concerning the C 300 and its Chinese counterparts - another topic Let's not spread our thoughts on the tree.

Quote: Bongo

Along the borders with Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation, China has built several structures very similar to our Don-2 radar.

Interestingly, I did not know, but you can take a picture or a link. Be that as it may, the Don-2 missile attack early warning system was not part of the missile defense office. The Chinese counterpart apparently performs the same functions, the monumentality of these structures does not indicate their perfection, and their presence does not guarantee the inviolability of the Chinese sky.

Quote: Bongo

Please remind me how many S-400 divisions have been acquired in China? I can confidently say that at least one of them will be deployed at an interdepartmental missile range in the Gobi Desert. What do you think, for what?

Already recalled! Read carefully. Join your confidence, of course they will try to read the radar parameters, disassemble them by screws and copy everything that is possible, according to the old Chinese tradition. All this does not contradict my statement in any way, but only reinforces them, and despite the power of China's air defense, Beijing is guarded by the C 400, because the capital needs the best.

[Bongo]

Quote: Uryukc

All this does not contradict my statement in any way, but only reinforces them, and despite the power of China's air defense, Beijing is guarded by 400, because the capital needs the best.

C-400 in the PRC is not yet deployed, do not rush things. Yes, and 4 zrdn for China - a drop in the bucket.
As for the rest, maybe you will be interested in this:The defense potential of China in the latest pictures of Google earth.
Air defense system of China. (clickable)
The latter was written in 2015, but a lot is still relevant.
The picture shows one of the Chinese missile attack early warning radars.

[zoolu350]

Aha hidden in mountain tunnels. Dream.

[Uryukc]

Launching mines roam the sky, no?

[zoolu350]

In the event of a military clash with the PLA with the use of nuclear weapons and without the army of the Russian Federation, a definite defeat awaits. The Russian Federation in the Far East simply does not have an army as such in the form of groups capable of even conducting defensive operations against the PLA in the Far East. The ability of the PLA to maneuver in the Far Eastern theater limits only the lack of roads. The mobilization opportunities of the PRC and the Russian Federation are simply incomparable. The interest of the Russian oligarchy living in the area of ​​Moscow, Cyprus, Malta and London, etc., in preserving the Far East is minimal. The only thing that saves me, as one politically savvy Chinese told me: “So far, for the suitcase of money that we give you for your resources, you give us THREE suitcases of money for products made from your resources, everything will be the same, but if the number of suitcases with money equals, then ....... nothing personal. " At present, the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is confidently heading for an increase in the number of suitcases with money in favor of the PRC.

[Uryukc]

Asked your Chinese woman with such Chinese wisdom and grandeur as in the Middle Kingdom, China was conquered by all and sundry. Not once or twice)) But the enemies broke off about us weak teeth.

[Vadim851]

Alas, China is not the same ...

[Uryukc]

During the conquest of the Mongols and Manzhuras, he was a superpower in every sense with advanced military technology and a huge army. Decide not only technology and digital.

[slavaseven]

The United States put them in the front ranks of the "bad guys" Of course, the States will not fight on their own, but push their foreheads into India, China, Korea, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar to get a rich fighter than the Middle East. Prudent China is preparing, for "it is better to overstay than under-stay"

over 600 billion freshly printed dollars

is the key phrase. A lot is hidden behind it.

[Alex-a832]

Not only we and our authorities know that the world is close by from TMV, which the Anklaxaxes want to unleash due to the feeling of losing global dominance and the near collapse of the dollar empire. The Chinese authorities are also well aware of this and are preparing hard. I would very much like to see the reaction of the West to the conclusion of a military-political alliance between Russia and China, although this option is unlikely - too big players.

[Altona]

Quote: Ingvar 72

So they have the same nuclear bomb!

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We have much better and better ...

[Altona]

Quote: Bongo

Are you sure that this will happen in the event of aggression by the PRC in the Far East?

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I am writing about a hypothetical development of events. In addition, a similar scenario was voiced by Putin "if the country is attacked by even conventional means and cannot respond proportionally." At the moment, China has no territorial or other claims against us, and it’s also foolish to attack its own rear.

[Bongo]

Quote: Altona

At the moment, China has no territorial or other claims against us, and it’s also foolish to attack its own rear.

No at this moment. And tomorrow or the day after tomorrow? How will we answer them? To the whole Far East, we have two fighter aviation regiment.

[win9090]

I think to the Urals.

[cats]

When there is no quality, take the quantity.
Apparently we were worried in vain, the most savvy (brains) still remained in Russia ..

[Zomanus]

Well, logical.
Russia is too tough for America. So they will switch to China soon.
So now China will begin to invest in the army.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Where are the PLA "driven"?
Well, the hunwinbins will not run across the Pacific like dry land, tea is not Easy.

[Altona]

Quote: Bongo

Currently no. And tomorrow or the day after tomorrow? How will we answer them?

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And tomorrow and the day after tomorrow they still have the same problem with Taiwan, the problem with India, the problem with Japan. China has many rivals in the region. Although China is a tiger militarily, Japan and Korea are not dwarfs either, and Taiwan is always ready to hang on to the aid of its American uncle. Or do you think that China is sleeping and seeing in order to return to Grandpa Li's taiga Amur fanza again? So economically, they have been chopping our pine for a long time there, catching our fish, creating their camps on Lake Baikal. Why do they need the PLA battalions? Yuan will do more work than a company of special forces.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Altona

So economically, they have long been there to cut our pine, catch our fish, create their own camp sites on Baikal.

Seryozha (Bongo) is my husband, and we live in the Far East, so that is well known here. The question is different, although the Chinese are cheap, but now our resources are being bought, but you can get them for free by exchanging a couple of millions of extra population.

[Altona]

Quote: zyablik.olga

Seryozha (Bongo) is my husband, and we live in the Far East, so that is well known here. The question is different, although the Chinese are cheap, but now our resources are being bought, but you can get them for free by exchanging a couple of millions of extra population.

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Why are you asking me this? Ask the Chinese themselves, you live nearby. We saved the Chinese from Japanese genocide. We gave them statehood, weapons, primary industry. If the Chinese are so stupid as to destroy their few allies, then everything can be.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Altona

Why are you asking me about this?

How did you decide that I ask you about it? This is one of the future scenarios. Especially since our central authority in the Far East and the Far East is largely spitting.

Quote: Altona

Ask the Chinese themselves, you live near. We saved the Chinese from the Japanese genocide. We gave them statehood, weapons, initial industry. If the Chinese are stupid enough to destroy their few allies, then everything can be.

Do you sincerely think that they are grateful to us? Communicated with many fairly well-educated Chinese. In private conversations, almost all of them believe that China would be better able to manage Far Eastern resources than the Russians. And no we are not allies, so temporary companions, and those on whom you can earn extra money. Unfortunately, most people living in central Russia do not know and understand this people at all.

[aikon1974]

Americans print, whales earn, and ours steal. Wouldn’t steal, you can earn, earn even more, and spend accordingly. But alas, we live in Russia (((

[Bongo]

svp67,
I write only about what I know. Do you want, as an example, consider the pace of testing and adopting the S-75 air defense system, how did you manage to improve the performance of this complex and how often did new serial modifications appear?
As for the current realities, I understand that the loss of a number of technologies, the collapse in industry and the reduction in the funding of basic research, could not but affect the pace of the creation of new high-tech equipment. It kills another when you read headlines like: "It can be taken into service ...", "Coming soon ...", "They will experience unparalleled ..." What part of these promises are fulfilled?
Our "potential partners" are well informed about how things really are. Who are we lying to? It turns out that all this nonsense is intended for domestic consumption.