Italian Air Force received the latest training aircraft M-346 "Master"

The Italian Air Force adopted the 18 and the last jet training aircraft (TCB) of the M-346 Master in-depth flight training, reports TSAMTO.

As stated in a press release from the Leonardo group, the plane’s acceptance ceremony was held at the Venegono plant (in northern Italy).

It is noted that "M-346 is one of the most advanced TCFs on the market and is intended for the initial and advanced training of pilots of 4 and 5 generation fighters, including the EF-2000, JAS-39 Gripen, Rafale, F-22 and F -35.

Its design provides for the presence of 9-ti suspension points, which allow to carry up to 3000 kg of external load, which makes it possible to use as a light strike aircraft.

The pilot can use the helmet-mounted information display system and target designation.

“M-346 can be equipped with free-fall and guided munitions, including AB Mk / 82 / 83 / 84, guided GBU-12 / 16 bombs and Opher Mk.82. The aircraft can also carry Durendal Concrete Bombs, four BRD-6 containers or LAU-4 / LAU-7 / LAU-5002 containers, four Sidewinder AIM-32 or air-to-air IRIS-T, four UR AGMs -9 "Mayvrik" air-to-ground class or four Brimstone missiles, ”writes the publication.

At present, the process of integrating the Rafael Reccelite reconnaissance container on board the aircraft continues.

Comments

[Genry]

Too much PR went, an airplane similar to the Yak-130.

[svp67]

Quote: Genry

Too much PR went, an airplane similar to the Yak-130.

But what is there, not just a similar, but an optimized Yak-130, not for nothing that they worked so long with the Yak Design Bureau on this machine.

[Vard]

However, we sell not only ourselves, but also for export ... and we sell the Yak-130 not bad ...

[supertiger21]

Italian Air Force received the latest training aircraft M-346 "Master"

Actually, this is our Yak-130.

[Piramidon]

Quote: supertiger21

Actually, this is our Yak-130

Actually, it started as a joint. So, in fairness, he is so ours, as much as Italian.
IMHO. Not our figs was to stir up joint development with NATO members. It’s clear that the money doesn’t smell, and Yakovlev’s design bureau just tried to survive.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Piramidon

Actually, it started as a joint. So, in fairness, he is so ours, as much as Italian.
IMHO. Not our figs was to stir up joint development with NATO members. It’s clear that the money doesn’t smell, and Yakovlev’s design bureau just tried to survive.

Yakovlev’s design bureau was previously seen in roughly unpatriotic actions. When they sold the documentation for the Yak-41 to people from Lockheed Martin, with the help of which the vertical take-off mechanisms for the F-35B were subsequently designed.

[shuravi]

So this is Yashka.
Their three brothers, here is another Chinese:

[Vard]

M-346 - a modern Italian training aircraft (TCB). It was originally developed jointly by the Russian Design Bureau. A.S. Yakovleva and Italian L'Alenia Aermacchi. Due to disagreements with the Italian partner, the joint development at the final stage has stopped. Each of the companies received documentation for the basic version of the future aircraft (glider), after which they released their own versions of aircraft: Aermacchi built the M-346 TCB, and the Design Bureau named after Yakovleva - combat training aircraft Yak-130. L'Alenia Aermacchi retained the rights to distribute and market the aircraft worldwide, with the exception of the CIS (including Russia). In my opinion, once again ... well, let’s say, they deceived us ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Vard

In my opinion, once again ... well, let’s say, they deceived us ...

If they cheated, it is not much - they do not have software to simulate Russian aircraft, we do not have software to simulate Western aircraft. Markets, in principle, do not overlap.

[Vard]

So it is so ... but all our iron ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Vard

So it is so ... but all our iron ...

Is it they on our iron F-35 imitate? Or maybe the engines there are exactly the same as Russian?
I doubt Chota.

[Vard]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Як-130

[Gray brother]

Quote: Vard

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Як-130

In short, only the same glider.

[Pingo]

In short, pasta before M-346 did not have significant experience in the development of conventional supersonic aircraft (Yak-130 is converted to L-15). It is not just a matter of transferring technology to them on a specific Soviet aircraft.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vard

So it is so ... but all our iron ...

And iron, and everything that was jointly developed is no longer OUR. The Italians own all the developments rightfully. So you need to calm down and take it for granted. Or do you think that they in the process of mass production buy our "iron" from us, but they are not able to produce their own?

[Pingo]

You need it, calm down. An interesting agreement that, having received the M-346 for free, Italians sell this Russian aircraft in fact everywhere in the world and Russia cannot (or only with their consent at their price and unfastening more than half), the Russian government all the same denounced.
ours - common - not ours ... already gathered to reward someone below.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pingo

You need it, calm down. An interesting agreement that, having received the M-346 for free, Italians sell this Russian aircraft in fact everywhere in the world and Russia cannot (or only with their consent at their price and unfastening more than half), the Russian government all the same denounced.
our ... common ... not ours ... already rewarded someone else downstairs gathered.

My dear American opponent. First of all, I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft so that every small overseas person (judging by the flag) could Poke me.
Secondly, initially, (let it be known to you, my star-striped counterpart), Italians financed the development on equal terms.
Hi Trump!

[Pingo]

The size of Italian financing is less than the price of one production aircraft.
Initially, under the “joint development” was a transfer of Russian Yak-130 technology abroad, and another master class on teaching Italians to develop modern aircraft
Only the USSR, the USA, France, England and Germany (both with the participation of the French) and Sweden (without engines) could do this.
Japan, Taiwan, China and Israel are only based on foreign developments.

[Pingo]

Subsonic TCB Argentina could do worse than Italy.

[Piramidon]

Forgot to add and warn. "Pingo" in the Cuban dialect of the Spanish language, means "member", in the anatomical-abusive sense of the word. So your nickname may be misunderstood.

[Pingo]

Was the rest clear?

[Piramidon]

Everything, except for the familiar appeal to me, about which you "modestly" kept silent.

[Pingo]

was familiarity with the materiel from ignorance or malice?

[pavelty]

How are these markets not intersecting? Aircraft of the same class, another Korean T-50 can be added, several times participated in some tenders ...

[san4es]

Since the first half of the 1990s, the Italian company Aermacchi and the Russian Design Bureau named after A.S. Yakovleva worked together on a project to create a new Yak / AEM-130 training aircraft, however, in the end, cooperation was terminated, and the companies continued to work on such an aircraft on their own. The Russian Yak-130 aircraft made its first flight in 1996, and in 2009 was adopted by the Russian Air Force. The Italian company "Alenia Aermacchi" continued to create its own training aircraft, structurally similar in many respects to the Yak-130, but fully equipped with Western systems, avionics and weapons.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Gray Brother

Markets, in principle, do not overlap.

Already suppressed. Az-en is mainly focused on the Russian (Soviet) arms market.
But he acquired 10 units of the Italian and ordered 15 units.
It is clear that the Russian Federation refused to sell (most likely), but why Az-well Italian?
Really retrain on the western counterparts of the pilots? Who will sell?
Az-na has the highest turnover with Italy, second Turkey, Russia, China, Germany.
Maybe they’ll sell something written off for the sake of the economy? Moreover, gas is laid in Italy.

[Zaurbek]

Russia has never refused to sell weapons to Azerbaijan. Especially in TCB aircraft. I think the Italian is better suited for combat use and has a larger arsenal of guided weapons. And they want to use it both in the educational and combat plan. Yak130 and the Chinese have combat versions in the projections only.

[Pingo]

Then it is not UTS but UBS.
Hang gliding can also be done if there is no more choice.

[Zaurbek]

Look at the choice of weapons (standard) for M and for Yak and compare.

[Pingo]

it is suspended

[Zaurbek]

Of course, but aiming and pointing systems are installed in the aircraft (as well as navigation, communications, etc.)

[Pingo]

all this is in containers + EW

[Zaurbek]

Next year, the Italian company Leonardo will begin production of a light fighter based on the M-346 training aircraft. The management of the company announced its plans at the IDEX 2017 exhibition, held last week in Abu Dhabi.

“A new modification is being developed to expand the combat capabilities of the aircraft. Thanks to the use of the Grifo-346 radar, the M-346 will become a full-fledged light fighter and will be able to effectively use air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons. The fighter / attack aircraft version will be ready by the end of 2018, ”said Eduardo Munoz De Campos, Head of Marketing at Leonardo.
The M-346 will be able to carry weapons at five suspension points, refuel in the air and effectively hit air targets with air-to-air missiles, as well as use smart bombs and guided missiles to hit ground targets.

The Grifo-346 radar station will subsequently allow the installation of an active phased array antenna on the M-346, which will significantly expand the capabilities for target detection. In addition, the light fighter can be equipped with electronic warfare systems, as well as false thermal targets to protect against enemy missiles.
M-346 in the modification of the fighter will be relatively inexpensive and may be of potential interest to countries that can not afford to buy full-fledged fighters or attack aircraft.

[Pingo]

Quote: Zaurbek

will become a full-fledged light fighter

or

Quote: Zaurbek

may be of interest to countries that cannot afford full fighters

?

Quote: Zaurbek

Grifo-346

this is closer to the radio range finder for controlling weapons, with such a section of the plate it is not surprising. let them make her still.

[Zaurbek]

The main thing is advanced shock functions. Where he will compete with the old and new F-16, etc.

[Pingo]

either a fighter or a drummer, he will not make it
at least because it flies twice as slow

[Zaurbek]

Why fly fast?

[Pingo]

to run away from someone or catch up with someone.

[Zaurbek]

So you won’t get anywhere

[Pingo]

MiG-31 hits

[Zaurbek]

In the ship, yes .... a rocket for 2 million ... dollars.

[Pingo]

to a cruise missile, from a cannon, for 1,87

[Zaurbek]

It is important for Azerbaijan archi to be able to bring down the KR ... And will the MiG-31 get into the tank? At least from what?

[Pingo]

in M-346 everything you want will get.

[Zaurbek]

I agree. And in the Kyrgyz Republic, also, do you think whether the MiG31 is needed in Azerbaijan, like the Su-27/30/35?

[Pingo]

American democracy and Iranian F-4 / F-14 definitely not needed

[Zaurbek]

The modernized one will completely cope with the Phantom.

[Pingo]

M-346 will not cope.
MiG-25 was punished all in a row even in the Iran-Iraq war, and almost without loss.

[Zaurbek]

And to Israel with losses ...

[Pingo]

in Israel, too, almost without loss, from 1970 to 1982 completely lossless.

[Zaurbek]

MiG-31/21 F-14 aircraft are niche specialized aircraft with difficult operation ....
1. Where should they fly in Azerbaijan?
2. How much does such an airplane cost?

For the money you can buy a Su-30/35.
For small countries, you need a universal aircraft both on land and by air. Even the new Sukhoi aircraft are redundant for them, and the MiG-35 is expensive.

[Pingo]

miser pays twice
in air, it cannot even work comparable comparable, in land it is better than OLS than this Leonardo

[Zaurbek]

Not a mean, but a state that earns itself and buys weapons for itself - Azerbaijan. They count money and purchase weapons quite efficiently. Unlike Armenia, which receives the MiG-29 for free and teaches pilots the same way and repairs planes in the same way ... So you can put your eyes on the Su-35C. The real thing for them is Grippen. But Grippen prices are now expensive.

[Pingo]

which earns less on oil than, like the Armenians, on trade in Russia
they consider kickbacks, because the M-346 and even with under-radar is a stupid expensive Italian product for a show

[Zaurbek]

They previously considered the FT-17 ....

[Zaurbek]

Azerbaijan earns more on everything than Armenians and Georgians put together ... So it was under the USSR.

[Pingo]

Sino-Pakistani JF-17 maybe? you don’t really train on it.

[Zaurbek]

Military Parity, January 13, 2016
Azerbaijan and Nigeria are interested in acquiring Pakistani-made JF-17 Thunder fighters, dawn.com reports January 9.

Pakistani President Mamnoon Hussain, speaking during a meeting with a delegation of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said that "Azerbaijan and Nigeria will soon become buyers of Pakistani products" (as practice shows, such media reports are sometimes premature - approx. Military Parity).

JF-17. India explained to Sri Lanka why not
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id
= 3741

[Pingo]

this "ferocious dragon" JF-17 with its M = 1,6 (like that of the lightning fast F-35) compared to the MiG-29, is completely nonexistent, you can’t really even fight it,
and to teach pilots on (more than conditionally) combat and therefore expensive M-346 (which you won’t fight too) is a great Italian moron,
but for the sake of self-promotion, they called the Yak-130 "mitten" (a mittens for simple), and their puffed pepelats M-346, which they poked from it, "Master"

[Zaurbek]

Not all countries can contain medium-sized MiG-29 fighters ... tm more the Italian works better on ground targets, while the Chinese are trite cheaper and China already offers upgrades with an AFAR installation, and the Russian Federation RD-93 (possibly OVT)

[Pingo]

the “Italian” cannot work better on ground targets, the Chinese are trite worse. this AFAR can be put into existing MiG-29, as well as OB
for ground targets a laser rangefinder on a pylon is better

[Zaurbek]

The Italian has banally accessible all the western weapons of air - land. AFAR is not even on the MiG-35 yet and will appear on the 20th car ... no one will put it on the 29th. And on the Master and the Chinese it will appear in the near future. Sighting containers have long been serial, with optics, a thermal imager and a range finder ...

[Pingo]

it’s all possible and on the MiG-29 to make affordable, but do not want to because it’s cheap.
on the expensive subsonic M-346 with its low thrust-weight ratio, putting something in the nose is not comme il faut, even optics.

[Zaurbek]

The Russian Federation does not do this for its MiG-29s ... why should it be done for the air forces of other countries. Most advantageous is the purchase of a used F-16 or Mirage 2000 in the latest variations from countries that are switching to F-35.

[Pingo]

and under it in the Russian Federation often hang western weapons? It’s most advantageous to put it in your MiG-29, which none of these aircraft can resist, only then the% of the contract will be small, and the Azerbaijani stakeholders need money. this is not the whole plane changing, but only a small part of its avionics.

[Zaurbek]

Write a letter to RAC MiG ... with a rat proposal and enclose an Azerbaijani contract.

[Pingo]

meaning, if the other side needs to be worse but more expensive? and so that% remains in the EU and not in the Russian Federation?

[shuravi]

Quote: supertiger21

Yakovlev’s design bureau was previously seen in roughly unpatriotic actions. When they sold the documentation for the Yak-41 to people from Lockheed Martin, with the help of which the vertical take-off mechanisms for the F-35B were subsequently designed.

To someone who sold the documentation for the Yak-141 and the US move to create the F-35, it’s time to give a hero.

[Pingo]

Which country? To the one who the United States handed over the documentation to the RD-180 and delivers them, still write a premium.
His Americans could not repeat it at all, probably because there was no stealth in it.