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In the US, they warned that they could not pull the cost of F-35

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The cost of the American fighter of the fifth generation F-35 is too high, and in the future, these costs may become too heavy for the military budget, said Vice Admiral Mat Winter.


In the US, they warned that they could not pull the cost of F-35


Winter, who is responsible for implementing the F-35 armament program, which costs 400 billions of dollars, stressed that the work is continuing, but the excessive cost of the machine is disturbing.

The price is going down, but it’s not going down fast enough
- quotes the military newspaper The Washington Examiner.

The vice admiral warned that while maintaining the current dynamics of the F-35 price reduction and the planned increase in the number of these aircraft from 280 to more than 800 by the end of 2021, the aircraft would be "very heavy" for the existing program budget.

The F-35 Lightning II is the second serial fighter of the fifth generation after the F-22 Raptor. The aircraft were regularly criticized, including by President Donald Trump.

Repeatedly also reported various technical problems, reports RIA News.
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  1. The black
    The black 1 March 2018 19: 38
    +18
    In the US, they warned that they could not pull the cost of F-35
    Let the father take all the Sumerians into debt, ask him to hang another loan on his people ... wassat.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 1 March 2018 19: 43
      +10
      Quote: Black
      Let the father of all Sumerians borrow

      Did the star-striped printer break down?
      1. The black
        The black 1 March 2018 19: 45
        +5
        Quote: Piramidon
        Did the star-striped printer break down?

        It is possible .... do not forget about Russian hackers laughing
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 1 March 2018 21: 48
          +1
          The cost of the fifth-generation American fighter F-35 is too high

          Winter, responsible for the implementation of the F-35 weapons program, which costs up to $ 400 billion


          It is clear that the international program to create three versions of the F-35 aircraft costs decent money. But where does the price directly per unit? Depending on the modification, it costs $ 94-122 million, which is a reasonable price for a brand new 5th generation fighter. And given that next year the large-scale production of Lightning will begin to become cheaper.
          1. 1c-inform-city
            1c-inform-city 1 March 2018 22: 21
            +6
            This is a crafty price. In order not to annoy the people and the congress, the Pentagon has for some time been indicating prices for an airplane without the cost of an engine, which is plus 50%. Sleight of hand and no fraud! good
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 1 March 2018 22: 47
              +10
              Quote: 1c-inform-city
              plane prices without engine cost

              By the way, it’s a very real option. For all aircraft developers, the glider and propulsion system are considered separately. At first it was a blessing: flexibility in the selection of engines in the interests of the customer, then ...
              And for the vast majority, this is reflected in terminology. For us, this is reflected in the name of some specialties of IAS. For example, "CD" ("airplane and engine" - the concepts are interrelated, but not identical). In English, "frame" is not the same as "A / C assembly." :)

              plus 50%

              "... plus one hundred%." :) After all, a “frame” (including avionics) is only 50% of the cost of a fully assembled “H / C”, and an equal-cost engine adds these same “100% to the cost of a“ frame ”and becomes 50 percent in value complete aircraft. :)
              Yes, ample opportunities for verbal and numerical balancing. :)
            2. HAPA
              HAPA 2 March 2018 00: 03
              +2
              Quote: 1c-inform-city
              This is a crafty price. In order not to annoy the people and the congress, the Pentagon has for some time been indicating prices for an airplane without the cost of an engine, which is plus 50%. Sleight of hand and no fraud! good

              hmm ... lying is not good.
              Valuable F-35 including engine.
              Lot 10 9., including jet, engine and fee are as follows:
              F-35A: $ 94.6 million (7.3% reduction from Lot 9)
              engine price of 12-13 million. This is not 50%.
          2. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 2 March 2018 00: 57
            +1
            Quote: supertiger21
            The cost of the fifth-generation American fighter F-35 is too high

            Winter, responsible for the implementation of the F-35 weapons program, which costs up to $ 400 billion


            It is clear that the international program to create three versions of the F-35 aircraft costs decent money. But where does the price directly per unit? Depending on the modification, it costs $ 94-122 million, which is a reasonable price for a brand new 5th generation fighter. And given that next year the large-scale production of Lightning will begin to become cheaper.

            Who said that the number of machines in operation reduces their maintenance costs? If, after sticking to Trump, 20 million (apparently a piece of fat mortgaged for each) flew off the price of this device, the cost of the service almost proportionally increased. And remained at the same level of 480 million. This refers to the entire period of operation. Airplanes suddenly began to sell without dvigunov. After the FINAL, LAST, CAPITAL refinement of the software, and arming it with the finally promised mallet, the price can not only return, but also jump.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 2 March 2018 07: 30
              +6
              Quote: wkd dvk
              Who said that the number of machines in operation reduces their maintenance costs?

              A life. Actually, this is so axiomatic that there is even nothing to discuss and argue about.
              1. Vkd dvk
                Vkd dvk 2 March 2018 11: 56
                +1
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Quote: wkd dvk
                Who said that the number of machines in operation reduces their maintenance costs?

                A life. Actually, this is so axiomatic that there is even nothing to discuss and argue about.

                You do not know how to think.
                This would be true if all this armada was concentrated in one (or closely located places)
                Repair plant, a bunch of specialists working in three shifts, crowds of support staff, from watchmen to top managers.
                But how are the costs of escorting a couple of dozen of these pieces of iron in Israel reduced by the fact that three pieces were delivered to Bangla Desh? Modifications, and then different. That's the total cost of maintenance, around the world who bought them, is increasing. Everywhere you need managers, watchmen, engineers, and so on. Even if the number of them in this place are counted in units.
                Thoughtful references to life are permissible if one is familiar with it.
                .
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 2 March 2018 16: 56
                  +5
                  Quote: wkd dvk

                  You do not know how to think.
                  Thoughtful references to life are permissible if one is familiar with it.
                  .

                  Fine. They gave you a mirror. Now learn to use it.
                  Your second posting is just a bunch of words and it is useless to comment on it.
                  1. Vkd dvk
                    Vkd dvk 2 March 2018 23: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Avis-bis
                    Quote: wkd dvk

                    You do not know how to think.
                    Thoughtful references to life are permissible if one is familiar with it.
                    .

                    Fine. They gave you a mirror. Now learn to use it.
                    Your second posting is just a bunch of words and it is useless to comment on it.

                    Right. This requires quick wits.
                    And where to get?
                    1. Avis-bis
                      Avis-bis 3 March 2018 06: 17
                      +5
                      Quote: wkd dvk
                      quick wit.
                      And where to get?

                      I will not say. Break everything equal.
              2. Vkd dvk
                Vkd dvk 2 March 2018 12: 12
                0
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Quote: wkd dvk
                Who said that the number of machines in operation reduces their maintenance costs?

                A life. Actually, this is so axiomatic that there is even nothing to discuss and argue about.

                I will continue. Suppose contracts are signed with Israel, delivery has begun. And so, a new buyer has been found. In Bangla Desh. The series has increased. Cost has fallen. The price has become lower. So, will the contract and prices for the extra delivery of the last airplanes to Israel be revised, and will it be reduced in the course of the delivery? And will Norway be returned the amounts resulting from lower prices due to increased output? How is life whispering to you?
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 1 March 2018 20: 55
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Black
        Let the father of all Sumerians borrow

        Did the star-striped printer break down?

        exorbitant corruption is not covered by any printer !!! what request request laughing laughing laughing
      3. poquello
        poquello 1 March 2018 22: 02
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Black
        Let the father of all Sumerians borrow

        Did the star-striped printer break down?

        the speed of the printer is limited by the trust of partners, otherwise this “take it I’ll draw” may bring it to the resolution of the problem and conclude that “the beaver is dead”
      4. Tusv
        Tusv 1 March 2018 22: 05
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Did the star-striped printer break down?

        Do you think that from a good life they invented Bitcoin? Where to borrow, so as not to take. That is the question
      5. Kent0001
        Kent0001 1 March 2018 22: 18
        0
        Bolivar will not pull so much .....
      6. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 March 2018 23: 39
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        Did the star-striped printer break down?

        The most profitable production in the world is the production of American green paper with portraits of their presidents. Is it possible that the USA will refuse such a business ???? I think no.
        And then - if Australia buys them, DOES AMERICA really not have enough money for them? No wonder Trump canceled the limit on debt ???? 18 of trillions is far from the limit - the printing press in a private shop called the Fed is still working ...
      7. Lynx33
        Lynx33 2 March 2018 07: 43
        +2
        The productivity of the old printer is too small, the new time to put, the 5th generation :)
    2. Monos
      Monos 1 March 2018 19: 47
      +18
      The admiral simply does not understand why he should spend money on this. smile
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 1 March 2018 19: 57
        +10
        Quote: Monos
        The admiral simply does not understand why he should spend money on this. smile

        Victor hi or maybe not involved in the cut lol
        1. Ncplc
          Ncplc 1 March 2018 21: 39
          +4
          Yes, where are they to the super cool and super cheap SU 57. He’s worth a penny and he’s not a burden to Russia.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 March 2018 21: 47
            +7
            Quote: Ncplc
            Yes, where are they to the super cool and super cheap SU 57. He’s worth a penny and he’s not a burden to Russia.

            deserved
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 1 March 2018 22: 14
            +3
            Quote: Ncplc
            Yes, where are they to the super cool and super cheap SU 57

            Why are you jerking? The Su-27 began to enter the air defense forces with an awesome delay from the F-15 and on the move began to drive everything that flies and still drives
            1. Ncplc
              Ncplc 1 March 2018 23: 01
              +2
              Apparently I have sclerosis, remind me where SU 27 drove F15 or at least F16, honestly, I don’t remember))
          3. bobba94
            bobba94 1 March 2018 22: 20
            +5
            And what's so strange? The 4th generation Russian multipurpose nuclear submarine Yasen M costs 47 billion rubles. Its full counterpart, the 4th generation Sivulf American multipurpose nuclear submarine, costs $ 4,3 billion. Technical characteristics, parameters, crew size, armament, etc. they have 1 to 1, straight twin brothers. But here is the cost ....
          4. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 March 2018 23: 42
            +10
            Quote: Ncplc
            Yes, where are they to the super cool and super cheap SU 57. He’s worth a penny and he’s not a burden to Russia.

            Under the flag of Israel, run in something Russian - but nothing new here, in VO, no one heard ....
        2. Monos
          Monos 1 March 2018 21: 49
          +5
          My respect, Bob! hi
          Quote: Partyzan
          or maybe not involved in the cut

          That is unlikely. But Trump cut it to them. smile
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 March 2018 21: 54
            +5
            Quote: Monos
            But trump cut them trump.

            increasing your budget? recourse
            1. Monos
              Monos 1 March 2018 21: 59
              +3
              Quote: Partyzan
              increasing your budget?

              Reduced Lockheed's appetites.
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 02
                +4
                Quote: Monos
                Reduced Lockheed's appetites.

                but the generals are sawing and not for the dec, the 1 billion left the Pentagon and no one knows where, and this is only official
                1. Monos
                  Monos 1 March 2018 22: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Partyzan
                  but the generals are sawing and not for the dec, the 1 billion left the Pentagon and no one knows where, and this is only official

                  Everyone has different feeders. Judging by the position, Lockheed is pouring this into the trough. smile
                  1. Partyzan
                    Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 09
                    +5
                    Quote: Monos
                    Judging by the position, Lockheed is pouring this into the trough.

                    judging by the position - he tells the lohida how much he needs, and he tries to raise the price - and then we will not take direct blackmail - (like the classics - turn off the gas) lol
        3. Kent0001
          Kent0001 1 March 2018 22: 18
          +1
          ..that they got it.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 22
            +3
            Quote: Kent0001
            ..that they got it.

            you will throw such laughing it’s he who goes to kidalovo — don’t roll back — bully
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 March 2018 20: 08
        +11
        Monos hi
        The admiral just does not understand why spend money on this
        Little of! Lord Thank God that the Americans have such projects as this f 35 laughing What would we do if they began to spend their pieces of paper on really sensible technology recourse
        1. Monos
          Monos 1 March 2018 21: 46
          +4
          Greetings, Sergey! hi
          Quote: Observer2014
          What would we do if they began to spend their pieces of paper on really sensible technology

          Yes, the same thing. As GDP said, the main thing is people, not technology!
      3. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 20: 23
        +8
        Quote: Monos
        The admiral just does not understand why spend money on this

        Vitya, when you have a watch junk - what are you doing? That's right: you go to the watchmaker. But if such a breakdown is repeated at regular intervals? Such watches are thrown out or changed under warranty. soldier wink
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 1 March 2018 20: 37
          +5
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          or change under warranty.

          But is there a guarantee for the fu-35? belay
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 20: 40
            +7
            Quote: Partyzan
            But is there a guarantee for the fu-35?

            The question is not addressed: the manufacturer or warranty workshops should ask about this. wink
          2. Ncplc
            Ncplc 1 March 2018 21: 44
            +1
            Partizan. Here you like to tinker with everything "but is there a guarantee for the fu-35? »Maybe it’s time for us to call your plane СРУ 57 as you like that name?
            1. Monos
              Monos 1 March 2018 21: 53
              +16
              Quote: Ncplc
              maybe it’s time for us to call your aircraft the 57 as your name?

              Yes to us your "creativity" sideways. And what are you so offended by the overlord? Ahhh ... You also fly on this junk ... Write a will just in case. smile
              1. poquello
                poquello 1 March 2018 22: 13
                +4
                Quote: Monos
                You also fly on this junk ... Write a will just in case. smile

                or go to something more reliable
                1. Thirsty for wind
                  Thirsty for wind 1 March 2018 22: 27
                  0
                  how many hours did the bath fly? Do you know the fairy tale about porridge from an ax?
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 1 March 2018 22: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: Thirsty for the wind
                    how many hours did the bath fly? Do you know the fairy tale about porridge from an ax?

                    but already planning 800 pieces and a few to transfer to Israel?
            2. Partyzan
              Partyzan 1 March 2018 21: 57
              +5
              Quote: Ncplc
              maybe we

              really want more awards? you are welcome
              1. Ncplc
                Ncplc 1 March 2018 23: 06
                0
                Are you offering me something? That is not worth the tea you wear, it suits you)) And I took the only oath and this was in the Israeli army.
                1. Partyzan
                  Partyzan 1 March 2018 23: 15
                  +9
                  Quote: Ncplc
                  And I took the only oath, and that was in the Israeli army.

                  where were you born? Russian is wonderful
                  1. Lieutenant
                    Lieutenant 2 March 2018 13: 08
                    +2
                    Apparently they spawn in Russia.
            3. Lieutenant
              Lieutenant 2 March 2018 13: 07
              0
              How much are God's chosen trolls worth today?
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 1 March 2018 22: 23
            +6
            Quote: Partyzan
            But is there a guarantee for the fu-35?

            there is ... from the S-400, knocks down guaranteed
            1. Partyzan
              Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 38
              +4
              Quote: Ascetic
              there is ... from the S-400, it knocks down guaranteed

              no, well it's not a guarantee - it's
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 1 March 2018 21: 35
          +3
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Such watches are thrown out or changed under warranty.

          Here we recall a bike about Japanese watches and crazy Russian tourists who made a refund after a "guarantee" case. After their visit to the watch salon there was a sign "DO NOT BOIL THE HOURS !!!" wassat
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 21: 37
            +4
            Alexander hi I heard this story about a Swiss watch. drinks
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 1 March 2018 21: 53
              +3
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              about the Swiss watch.

              Paul hi Duc, then she and the bike. laughing It’s interesting, how shockproof and waterproof are the mattress expensive F-35 watches (for example, to what depth)? request
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 21: 57
                +2
                Quote: Paranoid50
                It’s interesting, how shockproof and waterproof are the mattress expensive F-35 watches (for example, to what depth)?

                And it is necessary to ask the final benefits. Only advertising is not taken into account. wink
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 1 March 2018 21: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Only advertising is not taken into account.

                  Well then, we definitely won’t get any information. laughing
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 22: 01
                    +3
                    Quote: Paranoid50
                    Well then, we definitely won’t get any information.

                    ABOUT ! This is what I had in mind! good
                2. Partyzan
                  Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  And it is necessary to ask the final benefits.

                  well, they’re useful, it’s not an iterator, they even managed to giggle the MiG-29, but it’s practically not killed, in the sense of exploitation
            2. Partyzan
              Partyzan 1 March 2018 21: 58
              +2
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              I heard this story about a Swiss watch.

              Well, it means they didn’t laughing
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 22: 03
                +2
                Different storytellers simply twisted this story to the best of their imagination, but I have no doubt that such a story took place. yes
                1. Partyzan
                  Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  but I have no doubt that such a story took place.

                  here I have no doubt, our doperli how to compress them laughing
        3. Monos
          Monos 1 March 2018 21: 43
          +2
          Great, Pasha! hi
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          when you have a watch junk - what are you doing?

          Does he still have a problem with the watch? Not otherwise, as Moscow always shows? laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 21: 45
            +3
            Vit hi It is not a matter of hours, but how their gears interact with teeth. wink
        4. Tusv
          Tusv 1 March 2018 22: 28
          +2
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Vitya, when you have a watch junk - what are you doing? Right: go to the watchmaker

          Come on, Pasha. They gave me a Vostok watch. Shockproof, with automatic lift and up to 10 meters under water. 10 years plowed and are now working, if you knock on the knee. To clean them, but the trouble is chagrin. Do not crack
          You have to periodically buy smartphones (thank the Chinese - the budget does not suffer)
          What am I talking about. So for a long time it’s necessary to untap production in China and not bother about the budget bully
        5. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 1 March 2018 23: 45
          +4
          Pasha! Very and very hi hi !
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Such watches are thrown out or changed under warranty.
          Only it is unlikely that anyone in Australia will change these “flying bank cards” under warranty. It seems to me.... request
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 2 March 2018 08: 38
            +2
            Alexey, categorically hi hi hi !
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Only it is unlikely that anyone in Australia will change these “flying bank cards” under warranty.

            The Australians themselves will mess with this Lego-go constructor. Well, or swash striped (which mattresses are clearly counting on). yes
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 2 March 2018 12: 00
              +4
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              The Australians themselves will mess with this Lego-go constructor

              So, our identities can earn money somewhere "... And they have a" technological map ", which replaces both GOSTs and SNIPs - and anything else - just to pay dollars ....
              Australia - a country of convicts and adventurers - is hardly capable of something "file" .....
              1. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis 3 March 2018 11: 33
                +5
                Quote: Zoldat_A

                Australia - a country of convicts and adventurers - is hardly capable of something "file" .....

                Just to finish with them it turned out well: they independently modified many British planes. Yes, and there are own developments. Mostly for light aviation.
      4. Slovak
        Slovak 1 March 2018 21: 07
        +3
        Quote: Monos
        The admiral simply does not understand why he should spend money on this. smile

        Well done mattresses, divorced allies! They spent tremendous funds on development, collected tribute from vassals, awarded contracts, received an advance payment, already delivered to someone, promised to someone, and as a result, all hemorrhoids except for them ...
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 1 March 2018 21: 59
          +2
          Quote: Slovak
          and in the end, solid hemorrhoids in all but them ...

          the main thing to jump on time
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 March 2018 12: 04
          +4
          Quote: Slovak
          Well done mattresses, divorced allies! They spent tremendous funds on development, collected tribute from vassals, awarded contracts, received an advance payment, already delivered to someone, promised to someone, and as a result, all hemorrhoids except for them ...

          Where can I put a hundred pluses?
      5. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 1 March 2018 22: 16
        +2
        Quote: Monos
        The admiral simply does not understand why he should spend money on this. smile

        He understands everything perfectly. Just in front of the 11 lot, the Pentagon begins to bargain with Lockheed and even hints at an administrative resource.

        Negotiations on Lot 11 started about 18 months ago, and although Winter previously said he hoped for a signed deal by the end of 2017, it has taken a while for the new Pentagon leadership to get fully up to speed on the program, he noted.
        Lockheed Martin “could be more cooperative” on the negotiations, he said. “They could be more collaborative ... they choose not to. It's a negotiating tactic. " It's far too early to think about imposing a “unilateral” deal, as happened on Lot 10, Winter said. That was and is “a last resort,” he added.
        Asked if President Trump should “get involved” in the F-35 negotiations, Winter said the civilian Pentagon leadership is kept fully updated on progress, and “how they choose to use that information is at their discretion.” (
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 26
          +6
          Aaron hi I'm sorry for my English, but translate, otherwise it’s not camille
          Negotiations on Lot 11 began about 18 months ago, and although Winter said he was hoping for a deal by the end of 2017, the new Pentagon leadership took some time to fully accelerate the program, he said.
          Lockheed Martin “could work more together,” in the negotiations, he said. “They could be more collaborative ... they decided not to. This is a negotiation tactic. “It is too early to think about imposing a“ one-sided ”deal, as happened in lot 10,” said Winter. This was and is “the last resort,” he added.
          Asked if President Trump should “participate” in the F-35 talks, Winter said the Pentagon’s civilian leadership is fully informed of the progress and “how they decide to use this information as they see fit.”
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 1 March 2018 23: 03
            +1
            Quote: Partyzan
            Aaron hi I'm sorry for my English, but translate, otherwise it’s not camille

            You have brilliant English. It would be better if I didn’t translate.
            1. Partyzan
              Partyzan 1 March 2018 23: 39
              +2
              hi thanks for the complement, but I know that it’s hard for me to translate - I think in RUSSIAN request
              1. KonoGon
                KonoGon 3 March 2018 13: 23
                0
                Quote: Partyzan
                I think in RUSSIAN
                You won’t think in Russian, you won’t translate correctly ...
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 2 March 2018 12: 08
              +6
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              You have brilliant English. It would be better if I didn’t translate.

              You haven’t heard “facing inglisi” performed by Russian soldiers ... you would have liked more than “Romeo and Juliet” in the original .....
        2. Monos
          Monos 1 March 2018 22: 43
          +3
          Aron, you have a holiday. Congratulations. hi drinks
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Just before the 11 lot, the Pentagon begins to bargain

          It's clear. But so frankly ... So we have fun. smile
    3. newcomer
      newcomer 1 March 2018 19: 50
      +7
      Nehai buy Ukrainian attack aircraft MIG29.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 1 March 2018 20: 28
        +1
        The trouble is not that the project is expensive, but that selling them is a problem. Not everyone can afford a toy.lol
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 March 2018 12: 11
          +4
          Oleg, hi hi !
          Quote: siberalt
          the trouble is not that the project is expensive, but that selling them is a problem.

          So sell same helmets of Australia at the price of our RD ..... Really comparable? I do not know.......
    4. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 1 March 2018 19: 57
      +6
      Quote: Black
      In the US, they warned that they could not pull the cost of F-35
      Let the father take all the Sumerians into debt, ask him to hang another loan on his people ... wassat.

      I’m afraid that the stock quote (or how is it right?) Of all the assets of Ukraine is equal to the cost of one F-35. Well, one squadron is the maximum assumption ...
      1. vadson
        vadson 1 March 2018 21: 03
        0
        Quote: Avis-bis
        Quote: Black
        In the US, they warned that they could not pull the cost of F-35
        Let the father take all the Sumerians into debt, ask him to hang another loan on his people ... wassat.

        I’m afraid that the stock quote (or how is it right?) Of all the assets of Ukraine is equal to the cost of one F-35. Well, one squadron is the maximum assumption ...

        Yes, no, they can take 10 pieces of gunpowder, they will scrape together for 100, I think, though they will remain without pants. there the service team will get out in a couple of planes, but it doesn’t matter
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 1 March 2018 21: 36
          +5
          Quote: vadson
          the truth will remain without pants

          I talked about this.
  2. Maz
    Maz 1 March 2018 19: 38
    +3
    Let partners vtyuhivayut.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 March 2018 20: 13
      +5
      Quote: Maz
      Let partners vtyuhivayut.

      That’s exactly what they’ll do, you Maz is an expert on all the ins and outs of world politics (as a former resident of the "promised" land)))
      You are always right! (It’s not for nothing that "comrades from Israel" do not like you so much.)))
      They scatter all their costs in NATO countries and do not have to too .. hehe
      And they will remain in profit! wink
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 1 March 2018 19: 40
    +5
    well, we at VO have already determined this for a long time. laughing laughing if it’s serious, then the Yankees warriors are in full swing from this 35th.
    1. Partyzan
      Partyzan 1 March 2018 19: 42
      +6
      Quote: newbie
      Yankee warriors with might and main unlocked from this 35th.

      let them buy - remember them the USSR
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 1 March 2018 19: 48
        +4
        a good option!
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 1 March 2018 19: 56
          +5
          Quote: newbie
          a good option!

          they need the same yes in the same place laughing
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 1 March 2018 19: 44
    +2
    "In the USA they warned that they could" not pull "the costs of the F-35" ... so everyone who can can get it ... will shift the burden of value to the allies.
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 1 March 2018 20: 00
      +10
      Quote: Strashila
      shift the burden of value on allies.

      For the first time or something ... That is how they, with the help of Lend-Lease and the "Marshall Plan", "leaked" their Great Depression abroad.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 20: 58
        +1
        Hi, hello! hi
        Quote: Avis-bis
        That is how they, with the help of Lend-Lease and the “Marshall Plan,” “leaked” their Great Depression abroad.

        Without words - just applaud! good
        1. vadson
          vadson 1 March 2018 21: 05
          +1
          they still pour it all over the world
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 21: 07
            +1
            As long as there is silence from the discontented, they will continue this.
        2. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 1 March 2018 21: 37
          +5
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Hi, hello!

          Hi Paul! :)
          drinks
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 21: 39
            +1
            Are you back I am sincerely glad! good drinks My friendship is strong. wink
          2. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 40
            +2
            Quote: Avis-bis
            My friendship is strong.

            and mine hi drinks
  5. izya top
    izya top 1 March 2018 19: 53
    +7
    come on? belay all the "allies" twisted their hands so that they not only invested in development, but also bought good
  6. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 1 March 2018 19: 56
    +1
    Trump lied ?! More than 700 yards of the military budget is a bluffff !!!?
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 March 2018 21: 52
      0
      Quote: Vlad Morozov
      Trump lied ?! More than 700 yards of the military budget is a bluffff !!!?

      Little, simple. It takes 9700 lard.
  7. RUS33
    RUS33 1 March 2018 19: 58
    +2
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Black
    Let the father of all Sumerians borrow

    Did the star-striped printer break down?

    The paint is over .... laughing
  8. Operator
    Operator 1 March 2018 20: 05
    +7
    Everything is much simpler - the tests of the Su-57 in a combat situation in Syria became the last nail in the coffin of the “Flying Pig” F-35.

    It is pleasant to recall how our Israeli "compatriots" - free owners of several copies of it - drowned for pigs at VO laughing
    1. BVS
      BVS 1 March 2018 20: 24
      +2
      Is the fact of the "test of the Su-57 in a combat situation in Syria" really become a nail? These tests have not given any positive or negative thoughts for the "nail". The meetings of the SU-57 and F-35 were neither training, nor fighting. While all the "fights" between them are outreach, the score is equal. Will watch. Somehow so far.
      1. Ncplc
        Ncplc 1 March 2018 21: 50
        0
        And what is it equal to? The fact that Sru 57 can fly a pancake or make a bell or a cobra? So for a rocket, this is a static target, nothing more, and he does it all at a speed close to stalling, the simultaneous WB resembles at speeds of 700-900 km / h, I would like to look at least with one eye what will happen to a flyer on a cobra at such a speed) )))
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 March 2018 22: 25
          +3
          Quote: Ncplc
          And what is it equal to? The fact that Sru 57 can fly a pancake or make a bell or a cobra? So for a rocket, this is a static target, nothing more, and he does it all at a speed close to stalling, the simultaneous WB resembles at speeds of 700-900 km / h, I would like to look at least with one eye what will happen to a flyer on a cobra at such a speed) )))

          I watched the hope about SM, there was an interview with our master of air duels, and as if all these elements have a combat continuation
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 44
            +3
            Quote: poquello
            and as if all these elements have a combat continuation

            and not only ours will continue, but a fat turkey will simply fall
          2. Ncplc
            Ncplc 1 March 2018 22: 51
            0
            And this “master" participated in what fights? With whom? When or you have a “master” for the number of flight hours given, then yes it’s definitely a “master”.
            1. Monos
              Monos 1 March 2018 23: 27
              +7
              What do you give for? For boarding and landing on a plane and flying around Lebanon? smile
            2. poquello
              poquello 2 March 2018 00: 02
              +2
              Quote: Ncplc
              And this “master" participated in what fights? With whom? When or you have a “master” for the number of flight hours given, then yes it’s definitely a “master”.

              ahem, Kharchevsky A.N., more than 50 international - not a single loss
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 2 March 2018 20: 42
          +4
          In the fact that when the Sru-57 is in the air, Israel will shave.
      2. Operator
        Operator 1 March 2018 23: 02
        0
        Quote: bvs
        The SU-57 and F-35 meetings were neither training, nor fighting

        How do you know this?
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 2 March 2018 01: 14
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          Quote: bvs
          The SU-57 and F-35 meetings were neither training, nor fighting

          How do you know this?

          With the advent of SUSHEK, the Americans removed their blindness. Hence the complete absence of presence.
  9. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 1 March 2018 20: 07
    +8
    C'mon guys! We got down to business - so finish it! How is this: the most important glavnyuki on the planet and no money ?! laughing
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 March 2018 20: 19
      +9
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      C'mon guys! We got down to business - so finish it! How is this: the most important glavnyuki on the planet and no money ?! laughing

      Yes, usually ..)))

      Only in dollars now ... And God forbid in RMB! wassat
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 1 March 2018 21: 20
        +9
        Meehan that's what photo you need laughing
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 1 March 2018 20: 25
      +5
      Vasya, hello! hi So again, funds are needed for sawing - who will pay for the new saws ??? wassat
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 1 March 2018 23: 37
        +1
        Evening, Pasha hi
        How is that? Another couple of countries such as Ukraine will lie down under democracy, you look and stretch out for another five years .. Well, if not, then they will increase the size of the allowed public debt, they will cut up cut paper ... Enough for the saws .. I’m all thinking - when this financial bubble will burst ....
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 2 March 2018 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: KOT BYUN
          I’m all thinking - when this financial bubble bursts ....

          You are not alone. When it bursts, the whole world slurps with its stinky stinks. negative
    3. Andrey Ivanov
      Andrey Ivanov 2 March 2018 01: 51
      +1
      Quote: KOT BYUN
      How is this: the most important glavnyuki on the planet and no money ?!

      After speaking at the GDP Meeting, now no printing press will pay the US defense for her phrase, well, I couldn’t.
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 1 March 2018 20: 20
    +9
    Well, or again, "the ceiling of the public debt will be raised" or limited to a couple - three hundred hundreds of letaks following the example of the Lizard, well, with a hundred allies shove. It is unlikely that it will be possible to reduce radically the cost.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 1 March 2018 22: 42
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      It is unlikely that it will be possible to reduce radically the cost.

      An hour of flight F-22 costs $ 20 thousand. F-35 will be equal to 24 thousand dollars. It is the highest in the world. operating cost fighter.
      1. Andrey Ivanov
        Andrey Ivanov 2 March 2018 01: 49
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        An hour of flight F-22 costs $ 20 thousand. F-35 will be equal to 24 thousand dollars. This is the highest cost of operating a fighter in the world.

        The flight hour of our 31st with the Dagger is much cheaper. wink
  11. Bronevick
    Bronevick 1 March 2018 20: 34
    +4
    Now the first Su-34 flew over Chelyaba, oh and beautiful. He is much quieter than the 24th.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 March 2018 21: 50
      0
      Quote: Bronevick
      Now the first Su-34 flew over Chelyaba, oh and beautiful. He is much quieter than the 24th.

      How was this considered at night?
      I, purely, to inquire. Without any back-harmful meanings. hi
      1. Bronevick
        Bronevick 1 March 2018 21: 55
        0
        Have you seen what moon? Everything was visible. The pilots even smiled as they liked the car.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 1 March 2018 22: 08
          0
          Oh how! Abalde!
    2. poquello
      poquello 1 March 2018 22: 28
      +2
      Quote: Bronevick
      ... Su-34, oh and beautiful. He is much quieter than the 24th.

      it still depends on the mode
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 47
        +2
        Quote: poquello
        it still depends on the mode

        we have - when after a repair they lift it up for inspection - they all howl like animals
    3. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 2 March 2018 01: 15
      0
      Quote: Bronevick
      Now the first Su-34 flew over Chelyaba, oh and beautiful. He is much quieter than the 24th.

      He flew in a whisper.
  12. Dormidont
    Dormidont 1 March 2018 20: 52
    +2
    A trifle, but nice
  13. Shahno
    Shahno 1 March 2018 21: 09
    0
    I didn’t understand ... They warned us. Well you give, Kushner ...
    1. Partyzan
      Partyzan 1 March 2018 22: 49
      +2
      Quote: Shahno
      This is something they warned us. Well you give, Kushner ...

      no, they stated more quickly - you will buy them request call me, nothing personal, just business hi
  14. Shahno
    Shahno 1 March 2018 21: 13
    0
    Yes, everything is fine. We are already two months in good shape. Negev groans. And I'm deaf ...
  15. Vadim851
    Vadim851 1 March 2018 21: 22
    +1
    About 90 million per unit is now the average price. The price of this aircraft also includes the high wages of workers engaged in its production. Rafal and Typhoon are much more expensive, F / A-18 E / F - not much cheaper, also the Su-57 is not a fact that is cheaper.
    So it’s quite pulled, and many. F15, 16 will retire, which will free up part of the funds
    1. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 1 March 2018 22: 32
      0
      Do not forget, the engine is not included in the price.
  16. Andrey Ivanov
    Andrey Ivanov 1 March 2018 21: 24
    +1
    The cost of the American fighter of the fifth generation F-35 is too high, and in the future, these costs may become too heavy for the military budget, said Vice Admiral Mat Winter.

    And change shoes right on the fly. However, the hint is thick to the European friends and it sounds like that, guys, and let's get off.
  17. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 March 2018 21: 34
    0
    Putin will be blamed again laughing
  18. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 March 2018 21: 42
    0
    Dengi, Dengi, come on!
  19. Falcond
    Falcond 1 March 2018 21: 50
    0
    After today's message from Putin, you can ask for more dough ... then maybe enough)
  20. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 1 March 2018 22: 09
    +1
    Hey vassals, open your wallets, take out the coppers !!! fellow wassat good laughing laughing laughing
  21. Operator
    Operator 1 March 2018 23: 03
    +1
    Quote: Ncplc
    Sru 57

    Freebie - She Corrupts bully

    Warm greetings from "Vanguard" and "Dagger", s.ki shameful!
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 2 March 2018 06: 31
      +2
      Abram! How much does a neutron bomb cost?
      Sarah! Yes, a billion 1,5-2 ...
      Eh Abram, how cool it would be if she fell into our garden!
    2. Ncplc
      Ncplc 2 March 2018 07: 48
      0
      How are you rushing, did you see enough cartoons yesterday? So Hollywood can also do such a lot))
      1. Operator
        Operator 2 March 2018 08: 35
        +1
        Danuda - photo of an air-launched ballistic missile “Dagger” (length 7,7 m, diameter 1,4 mm, launch weight 2400 kg, speed 1,8 km / s, range over 2000 km, active-passive RSGN Gran, KVO within 10 meters) aboard the MiG-31 (the complex was put on pilot combat duty in the South-Eastern Military District)



        The “Dagger” is a homing medium-range ballistic missile, it is anti-ship, it is not intercepted by any air defense / missile defense system, on a supermobile carrier, and it is not subject to the RMNS contract.

        "Good Morning, Israel" (C) bully
        1. KonoGon
          KonoGon 3 March 2018 13: 28
          0
          Quote: Operator
          "Dagger" (length 7,7 m, diameter 1,4 mm, starting weight 2400 kg, speed 1,8 km / s, range over 2000 km, active-passive RGSN "Gran", KVO within 10 meters)
          And who inflated?
  22. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 2 March 2018 02: 23
    +1
    A cross between a penguin and a pregnant cockroach "could become too heavy for the US military budget"?
    For some reason I’m not surprised.