"White Rose". Those whom Kohl from Urengoi did not tell about

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In November last year, the network “exploded” from the behavior of the high school student Kolya from Urengoi, who, speaking in the Bundestag, actually justified the fascist invaders. Of course, you can write off his passages about the "innocent victims" of Hitler's soldiers to some abstract humanism: "the boys were driven to slaughter." And yet - they say, it is inconvenient, being invited to Germany, to speak of the Germans as enemies.

But Kolya really had a decent way out: to talk not about fascist soldiers, but about heroic German anti-fascists. About those people who challenged Hitler, being in his lair. And paid for this choice of life.



They were quite a lot. Many fought. And many died for it. Recently, 22 February, was the 75-th anniversary of the execution of three of them - Sophie and Hans Scholley and Christoph Probst. These young people were members of an underground resistance group under the romantic name “White Rose”.

"White Rose". Those whom Kohl from Urengoi did not tell about


At the time of the execution of young Sophie Scholl, 22 was not even years old. She distributed anti-fascist leaflets with her brother, Hans, and several other such young people. Even from the point of view of the Hitler regime, this youth group didn’t deal with anything particularly “criminal”. The most "extremist" of all actions is writing slogans on the walls of the University. That is, by any standards they can be recognized as pure prisoners of conscience. But even the prisoners guys did not last long - they became martyrs too quickly. Because Hitlerism saw danger in any Word.

Sophie Scholl was born in Forchtenberg 9 in May 1921. It was the fourth child of five. Her father served as mayor of this city. But then the whole family moved to Ludwigsburg, and after a couple of years to Ulm. It would seem that it was quite “decent” by the standards of that time family. At 12, Sophie, under the influence of total propaganda, briefly became fascinated by Nazi ideas and joined the League of German Girls. Of course, beautiful and “correct” speeches were made there: that a woman should be courageous, virtuous, have the capacity for sacrifice - and at the same time not be too belligerent. All this attracted a dreamy girl there, at that time a very young child. However, politics was not part of Sophie's main interests, who was keen on music, dancing, painting.

In 1937, three children from this family — Hans, Werner, and Inge — were arrested by the Gestapo. They were accused of illegal political activities, but soon released. Perhaps it was this event that had a significant influence on the further views of Hans and Sophie, who were destined to become heroes of the Resistance. As for Werner, he will then be sent to the front, where he will disappear.

But it will be later. In the meantime ... In 1940, Sophie Scholl graduated from high school. By that time, her passion for that “beautiful candy”, under which the young people were presented with the ideas of Nazism, had already largely disappeared. To avoid labor service, the girl went to kindergarten teachers' courses. Then she had to work in the Imperial Labor Service - this was a prerequisite in order to enter a higher educational institution.

In May 1942, Sophie entered the Faculty of Philosophy of the University of Munich. In the same place, only at medical faculty, Hans studied.

In one of her then-letters, the girl actually predicted the future fate: "Sometimes I fear war and lose all hope. I didn’t want to think about it at all, but, most likely, there is nothing more than politics, and as long as it is tangled and nasty, it would be a coward to turn away from it».

The same thoughts originate with Hans and his friends. Young people begin to abhor the brutality of the Nazi regime, the mass executions in the Warsaw ghetto and other negative manifestations of Hitlerism.

In June 1942, the guys created the underground organization “White Rose”. Among the creators was Hans Scholl. The organization was mainly engaged in writing and distributing leaflets. At first they were sent to German intellectuals - the young people hoped to find like-minded people among them (and some of the highly educated people actually joined). Then the young anti-fascists began to distribute leaflets on the streets, in public places - wherever possible. The main idea of ​​the leaflets, whose circulation was several thousand, was that Hitler was leading the country into the abyss. Once Hans wrote on the walls of the University of Munich slogans "Down with Hitler" and "Freedom".

Until recently, Hans did not want to involve his sister in a dangerous underground activity. But in January of 1943, Sophie still joined the organization. But its activity did not last long.

18 February 1943, Hans and Sophie tried to make a bold and daring action - distributing leaflets at the University of Munich. Sophie threw a packet of proclamations from the balcony in the lobby. She, along with Hans, was noticed by a guard, who passed the guys into the paws of the Gestapo.

Hans was carrying a manuscript of a leaflet, written by another White Rose member, Christophe Probst. However, all his participation boiled down to this very leaflet and to being present at several gatherings. This man, the father of three children, preferred not to risk, as he feared for his family. But he was arrested. Several more underground workers were captured.

Sophie Scholl first denied her guilt, but there was too much evidence against her. Then she and her brother chose another tactic - they tried to take the whole blame on themselves and protect Probst and other comrades. Sophie said during interrogations that there was no underground organization, it was just her and Hans who, on personal initiative, produced leaflets.

At the same time, the girl did not repent of anything and once told her executioners: “If they ask me if I consider my actions right now, I will answer: yes. I believe that I did the best of what I could do for my people. I do not regret what I have done and accept the consequences of my actions. ”

The interrogations of the guys were painful, but did not last long. 22 February 1943 held a fascist fascist court. Sophie and Hans Scholly, as well as Christoph Probst, sentenced Judge Roland Freisler to death. For "high treason". There was no opportunity to appeal such a harsh sentence - the brave underground workers guillotined the same day. The execution took place in prison Stadelheim. History retained the last words of Sophie Scholl:

“How can virtue triumph when practically no one is willing to sacrifice himself for her? Such a beautiful sunny day, but I need to go. ”

Now the memory of these young anti-fascists in Germany is respected. The area where the main building of the University of Munich is located is named after Hans and Sophie Scholly. In the courtyard of the university there is a monument to the underground workers of the White Rose. Three films are dedicated to them, the most famous of which is The Last Days of Sophie Scholl. In the year 1980, the literary prize was also named after Hans and Sophie.

Many other anti-fascists are almost forgotten. Erudite high school student who is interested in history, could find information about them. And maybe next time the young delegates from Russia, even being in Germany, will be able to speak more adequately and talk about real people. About those who did not rot out ingloriously for the Fuhrer in the swamp, but challenged him. And, of course, elders should tell students about those who fought against fascism. Then, perhaps, shameful incidents, as in the Bundestag, will no longer exist.
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  1. +7
    2 March 2018 06: 42
    Kolya didn’t tell much
    But in general, this case was inflated, even Peskov was indignant
    1. +14
      2 March 2018 06: 48
      Kohl himself is to blame ... you need to think with your brains and not read the slipped piece of paper with some sort of schizo-liberoid.
      But Peskov is just a talking head and has no authority as an independent person.
      1. +4
        2 March 2018 07: 44
        Lech, always an adjutant and a press secretary, was and is a walking language, and the language of his authority does not have
      2. +2
        2 March 2018 08: 37
        Who thinks there in 13-15 years? Suppose you were invited to visit a birthday boy and asked to read a congratulation on the prepared text, is it unlikely that anyone will think much there?
        1. +2
          10 March 2018 07: 05
          13-15 years old is the most ambitious age. In it, you already know everything how it should be and how it should not be, and in almost any field, and you will never go against your words and your conscience. Any offense is washed off only by "blood". For beliefs at least for the chopping block. The boy was already raised like that. He sincerely believes that if Hitler had won, he would have driven a Mercedes.
    2. +10
      2 March 2018 06: 49
      Quote: Adjutant
      Kolya didn’t tell much
      But in general, this case was inflated, even Peskov was indignant

      The question is - who taught this "boy" Kolya to such stupidity? What grants are his "teachers" fed to?
      1. +3
        2 March 2018 08: 38
        And nothing that not only Kolya, but also all those invited in unison have reported?
    3. +18
      2 March 2018 07: 05
      Adjutant
      even Peskov was indignant

      yes, even the Kremlin advised leaving the boy alone
      Same lech
      Sands just a talking head and authority as an independent person does not have any.

      The main thing is Whose head he is. The fact of the matter is that he is an independent person, voicing the official position of whom.
      The official mouthpiece of the Kremlin
      1. +6
        2 March 2018 07: 13
        yes, even the Kremlin advised leaving the boy alone

        The Kremlin can advise anything ... to think to us as we want it will not forbid ... but it will try to put pressure on it so we will vote against it in the elections.
        You can’t agree with KREMLIN on everything ... it is fraught with turning into blanks.
        1. +18
          2 March 2018 07: 25
          Kremlin can advise anything

          he no longer advises but determines
          he will try to forcefully press so in the elections we vote against.

          laughing lol
          he is very afraid, the election result will be as it should - no matter who votes for
          it is fraught with turning into blanks.

          and propaganda has already turned people into pigs, which is clearly visible to the naked eye
          1. +2
            2 March 2018 07: 27
            he is very afraid, the election result will be as it should - no matter who votes for

            smile Maybe so ... while the interests of the bulk of the population and the Kremlin coincide.
            Do not forget how the USSR collapsed despite all its might.
      2. +2
        2 March 2018 07: 25
        Quote: squeeze
        . The fact of the matter is that he is an independent person, voicing the official position of whom.
        Official shout of the Kremlin

        Kohl-shout of the Kremlin ?! lol
        1. +16
          2 March 2018 07: 27
          You understand me perfectly
          Peskov - the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin, spokesperson for the first person
          Job title - talking head
          1. +3
            2 March 2018 07: 43
            Quote: squeeze
            You understand me perfectly
            Peskov - the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin, spokesperson for the first person
            Job title - talking head

            Sorry, I just didn’t understand, because did not read the phrase you answered hi .
      3. BAI
        +2
        2 March 2018 11: 00
        If the Kremlin considered it necessary to intervene, then it could not have done without it.
        1. +2
          2 March 2018 15: 31
          If the Kremlin considered it necessary to intervene, then it could not have done without it.

          Maybe the dog rummaged around here? hi
          1. Cat
            +3
            2 March 2018 20: 25
            Hmm, when the "dog" agrees with the "cat", for a couple they can dig a lot of things !!!?
            Particularly beautiful is the definition of the Kremlin as the last respected by me Ball. laughing
            And if you just look at it all from the side! I apologize for the harshness. "15-16 year-old Lopukh (Kolya) spoke out, even in fact it doesn’t matter if he thinks this or someone else’s" piece of paper "," insect "or hell knows who! Kolya poured a bucket of slop, and Yes, yes, according to statistics, since December last year Nikolai practically stopped giving names to newborns! Is it critical? Essentially yes, but is it fatal - the answer is obvious - no! And now the second aspect - Kohl, besides himself, smeared with mud the blessed memory of our veterans and all those who stood in the way of the “innocent killed.” Naturally, all who care about their homeland reared up, but objectively inflating the problem, we began to pour water on someone else’s mill! So Peskov’s statement was about place and time! Because from the point of law, Kolya is not tortuous and, in simple terms, is a jerk and does not have the right to be responsible for his actions and deeds.
            In fact, he is a child, so time will tell ..........
  2. +4
    2 March 2018 07: 27
    The guys, of course, are small-scale kids, but how many were there? Nothing ...
    And millions of their peers fiercely fought for the ideals of Nazism ...
    1. +8
      2 March 2018 08: 09
      Main thing that they were
      1. +1
        2 March 2018 09: 46
        Quote: Monarchist
        Main thing that they were

        No, the main thing is that there are practically Did not have.
        1. 0
          10 March 2018 11: 11
          good ripped off the tongue! The Germans, the descendants of Hitler’s “universal people”, dig the earth with their nose, looking for evidence of their imaginary distance from Hitler’s crimes, and these German anti-fascists had a gulkin nose, a miserable percentage of enthusiastically supporting all extremist “undertakings” of their adored Führer on “Drang nah Ost” and the conquest of the Lebensraum Führ Deutsche, with the associated "mopping up" of a large part of the local population and the scribbling of the German "euro-civilizations-governesses" left for service.
          But Kolyasurengoy was not like that, he was given those German anti-fascists for nothing (literally, after all, grants to gymnasium students were not for anti-fascists, but for the rehabilitation of the Nazi occupiers!) They didn’t get paid, he had emotional feelings for Hitler’s monsters and murderers who had not reached Urengoy.
          You see, the defenders of Stalingrad, their “innocent” murderers, were stopped and captured at the cost of their lives ... but this “boy” didn’t “repent” himself in the Bundestag for the fact that our fathers and grandfathers did not allow Hitler’s henchmen to completely fulfill their brutal plans on “drang” and “cleansing” of “living space for the German nation” throughout the territory of the Soviet Union, there, after all, other “boys-girls” and their “parents-teachers” “repented” - a whole, one might say, grant-eating organization "witnesses of the innocence of the Nazis"? What a hassle!
          So I understand that the appearance of repentance in the Bundestag is an annual service (or already a “tradition”) of the Urengoy “advanced” gymnasium, or not only Urengoy ?!
  3. +9
    2 March 2018 08: 08
    Quote: Bulls.
    Quote: Adjutant
    Kolya didn’t tell much
    But in general, this case was inflated, even Peskov was indignant

    The question is - who taught this "boy" Kolya to such stupidity? What grants are his "teachers" fed to?

    The right question is: who are his parents? Can his dad go out on fascism?
    In the documentary series: “I am a criminal journalist”, a case is told: in the mid-sixties in Belarus they found a hanged girl with a “partisan” poster. Then all ofigelia: twenty years after the war! It turned out: the girl’s father served in the police of the so-called “Lokot Republic” during the war, the punisher was still there, but he was not immediately exposed. He raised a gang of wolf cubs from his nephew and his friends, and the girl turned out to be an unnecessary witness + to bind with blood.
    Is it easier than saying “where does the school look” ?, it all starts in the family. Remember: "asked the baby son," what is good? "
    1. +1
      2 March 2018 08: 41
      Now Mayakovsky does not correspond to the trend of time urgently redo
  4. +5
    2 March 2018 08: 43
    Elena, thank you for the story of the young anti-fascists. They were few and they died, but THEY WERE. When GDR was in the late sixties and early seventies, series were shot: "Red Climbers" talked about a real group of young anti-fascists who distributed leaflets. "Front without mercy" there was already a collective image of the underground anti-fascists.
    Elena, allow me to correct and supplement you a little: 1) in the seventies I read, it seems from Molchanov, that in the Reich: men were hanged and women were chopped off in the Pleceensee prison. I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion the book was called: “An Island in a Sea of ​​Blood” (Plentensee can roughly be translated as a “sea island”) 2). Somewhere I met information that Freisler was considered by the Nazis: he was a “red” member of the Communist Party at one time and helped build the Soviet Union, but in reality he turned out to be not the most “bloodthirsty” lot of death sentences
    1. +2
      2 March 2018 13: 57
      The law on high treason was completely copied into the code of laws of Nazi Germany. From the code of laws of the German Empire. The punishment was only one death penalty by cutting off the head, regardless of the sex of the convict (s)
    2. 0
      3 March 2018 16: 56
      Quote: Monarchist
      Somewhere I met information that Freisler was considered by the Nazis: “red” he was at one time a member of the Communist Party and helped build the Soviet Union, but in reality it turned out that not the most “bloodthirsty” lot of death sentences

      Yes, even on Wikipedia is. Roland Freisler began his butchering career in Russia - as a civilian he was commissioner of the food detachment, and was a member of the RCP (b), and not the German Communist Party. But upon returning to Germany, he joined the NSDAP as early as 1925m - long before the Nazi came to power. Unfortunately, he avoided the loop - on January 3, 1945, he was killed by an American bomb during the next court session. Although death in a loop would probably be easier.
    3. 0
      4 March 2018 15: 02
      You can still recall von Stauffenberg and his group.
      He joined the Resistance in 1942 when the Wehrmacht
      still shone with victories.
      To organize and commit an almost successful attempt on the carefully guarded Fuhrer -
      not a joke.
      1. 0
        4 March 2018 15: 39
        Quote: voyaka uh
        He joined the Resistance in 1942 when the Wehrmacht
        still shone with victories.

        After the failure of the operation Typhoon, I think even Hitler realized that his song was sung. And to the professional military, and even more so.
        All that happened from the end of 1941 to the spring of 1945 in Europe was the agony of the Hitler regime and its constant search for the van der waffe. Vandervaffe was not found, so the Nazi regime collapsed. But purely from the outside. The Germans mainly supported him.
        1. 0
          4 March 2018 17: 17
          I can not agree with you. The battle of Moscow did not become a turning point
          in the war. And even Stalingrad did not. Only after the difficult victory of the Red Army near Kursk did Hitler irreversibly go on the defensive. And then, it took another 2 years to finally win.
          (It took the Red Army 3 years to get back to its western border).
          1. +1
            4 March 2018 19: 19
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The battle of Moscow did not become a turning point
            in the war. And even Stalingrad did not.

            The turning point in the war was only 2 factors:
            1. The failure of the German combatant generals from the plan of Barbaross 11.07.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX
            2. The creep of the USSR under the Anglo-Saxon roof 27.09.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX
            Theoretically, the Germans had the opportunity to cut this Gordian knot. What they tried to do with the operation Typhoon. But this operation failed for a number of reasons. If only because it had little chance of success. Which predetermined the fate of the Reich. Further, after the defeat near Moscow, it was just him obvious agony. And many high-ranking (because they were well-educated) German generals understood this very well.

            Actually, even item 2, it is very important, but secondary. German summer offensive was foiled THEIR SAME ("brilliant" Guderians, Boks and other Leebas) 11.07.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX And then, these were just events that logically stemmed from this fact. Kursk, Stalingrad and more, it is very interesting. But radically they didn’t define anything. A little earlier, a little later. That was their real meaning.
            Those. if the Germans even took Stalingrad and weren’t defeated there in the winter of 1943, this would ultimately not have changed anything fundamentally. Berlin would have been taken a little later. And there would have been more victims by Soviet soldiers.
            1. 0
              6 March 2018 15: 57
              So you can agree that
              The turning point in the war was 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX stop
              After all, the plan of Barbarossa was initially impossible.
              1. +1
                6 March 2018 16: 34
                Quote: voyaka uh
                After all, the plan of Barbarossa was initially impossible.

                Who told you that?
                Until 11.07.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Germans marched with a marked excess of those parameters that were indicated in the plan of Barbarossa. This was the reason for its cancellation later. Because all the way the German combatant generals hitler Hitler that the roof had left the staff and they do not chop nifiga in military affairs.
                I must say that in Germany, long ago, drill and staff services were divided. And all the way headquarters generals clawed with the drill. At the same time, staff officers also performed the same role that political officers performed in the Red Army. Those. banging up on their commanders. Taking advantage of the fact that they were considered seconded officers. And there were double subordination.
                For the first time, combatant and headquarters were gnawed heavily during the war in France in 1940. Then, combatants declared that the plans of the staff did not allow them to fight, fettered them, etc. Everything, as a little later in the USSR. Then Hitler sided with the staff and it came to the point that he personally called the commanders demanding the implementation of plans.
                The result of all this was two basic facts:
                1. The Germans defeated France.
                2. The British managed to remove almost all of their soldiers from the continent. But almost without weapons.
                After this, the drillmen drove Hitler to their brains for a whole year that they would have defeated France anyway. Yes, and the British would have been captured. If he didn’t interfere with them then.
                Therefore, when the situation repeated in the USSR, Hitler did not intervene. And he didn’t restrain combat generals.
                By September, the Germans realized that Kirdyk was approaching. And on September 11.09.41, XNUMX, they tried to return to the channel of some semblance of the Barbaross plan.
                Useless. They lost two months and these were two key months. The Germans no longer had any chance of victory, since it was impossible to defeat the industrial power of the Anglo-Saxons in an alloy with the human resources of the USSR. And this "alloy", I recall, occurred on September 24.09.1941, 2. It was on this day that the USSR entered WWXNUMX on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. Even if the Germans took Moscow during the Typhoon, it would not have decided anything.
                That is why Hitler was so interested in the van der Waffe all the way. This was the only chance to change the course of the war. Germany had no other chances.
                1. +1
                  6 March 2018 16: 41
                  Quote: wer2
                  Until 11.07.1941, the Germans marched with a marked excess of those parameters that were indicated in the plan of Barbarossa.

                  "Where is this street, where is this house?" wassat Where are the schedules, where is the business plan?
                  You stop smoking there all the nasty things that “refugees” from the Middle East bring to you. Alexey-Voyaka is not a two-core, what would the trolls feed ....
                  laughing
                  1. 0
                    6 March 2018 20: 27
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    "Where is this street, where is this house?" wassat Where are the schedules, where is the business plan?

                    Barbaross’s plan is freely available.
                    The advance of the Germans is known in detail.
                    Work
                2. 0
                  7 March 2018 00: 11
                  Quote: wer2
                  And this "alloy", I recall, occurred on September 24.09.1941, 2. It was on this day that the USSR entered WWXNUMX on the side of the Anglo-Saxons.

                  Yes, I almost forgot.
                  According to Barbaross’s plan, the war against the USSR was to end on September 29.09.1941, XNUMX. On the Astrakhan-Arkhangelsk line along the Volga and the North. Dvina.
                  1. +2
                    8 March 2018 12: 10
                    That is why the Barbarossa plan is considered impossible.
                    Going such distances for such a period is technically impossible.
                    But in practice, without any plan, the Wehrmacht managed a lot.
                    In the end, the growing skill of the Red Army, plus permanent reserves and those. lendlize
                    the extended communications of the Germans and the exhausted mobilization potential - did their job. Even the maximum training and maximum effort of the Wehrmacht and WaffenSS
                    near Kursk was not enough to win the battle. This was a turning point in the war.
                    1. 0
                      8 March 2018 15: 05
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      Going such distances for such a period is technically impossible.

                      This is an invention of runet. Moreover, you forget the fact that after the capture of Moscow no serious and organized resistance was planned at all.
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      about in practice, without any plan, the Wehrmacht managed a lot.

                      Much but the main task, the defeat of the Red Army.
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      After all, the growing skill of the Red Army

                      I would put it more clearly, in the end, by 08.05.1945 a relatively (not fully) combat-ready Red Army was created. The creation of which began on 22.06.1941/3/30 at XNUMX:XNUMX a.m.
                      Because after the post-Crimean military reform in Russia / the USSR in peacetime, the army (even relatively efficient) was not there.
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      the extended communications of the Germans and the exhausted mobilization potential - did their job.

                      I would also mention a completely insignificant, relative to the Anglo-Saxons, German industrial potential.
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      near Kursk was not enough to win the battle. This was a turning point in the war.

                      No. I insist on 11.07.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, as the date of the turning point in the war.
                      And near Kursk, the Germans, for the first time on the Eastern Front, the Germans failed in the summer offensive operation. This is not a turning point, it is the result of the increased combat capability of the Red Army (but still less than that of the Wehrmacht). Further she grew and grew. And the Germans switched to total defense. Which ended in Berlin.
                      At the same time, purely in my opinion, even on 08.05.1941/19/3,6, the combat effectiveness of the Red Army did not equal the fighting capacity of the Wehrmacht. And the most clear indicator here, the numbers of losses of military personnel. Just deadly for the Red Army. XNUMX million troops, this is beyond understanding. Against XNUMX million Germans (on the Eastern Front), including the so-called "imperial". Those. Austrians, etc.
    4. 0
      10 March 2018 11: 22
      The same story with the "red Latvian arrows" carrying out the bloody "red terror" in the territory of the former Russian Empire!
      These "kondovy Bolsheviks" returned to their home in Spratia and continued to engage in the same bloody craft, but already "worked" according to the "red", and there were no anti-Bolsheviks fiercer! request
  5. 0
    2 March 2018 08: 50
    each! everyone has the right to their opinion! even Kolya! and I understand him. the guy wanted the best! Trying between nations, turning a terrible page in history and other good ideas that common sense will prevail throughout the Earth and the world will never see wars again. But .....
    but I wonder if he could say his speech not in the Bundestag, but for example at the Khotyn memorial, or at the Piskaryovskoye cemetery?
    Since commentators are mostly writers, not readers, I draw your attention to the phrase that provoked the indignation:since I saw the graves of innocently dead people
    By the way, here’s Kolya’s speech:
    Hello. My name is Nikolai Desyatnichenko. I study in a gymnasium in the city of Novy Urengoy. I was invited to participate in a project dedicated to soldiers who died during the Second World War. This interested me very much, since I have been fond of the history of both my country and Germany since childhood.
    I immediately started looking for relevant information. First he visited the city archive and library, then he tried to find the stories of German soldiers on the Internet and other sources. However, later, in collaboration with the German People’s War Grave Care Alliance, I learned and studied in detail the biography of Georg Johan Rau.

    He was born on January 17, 1922 in a large family. George went to the front with the rank of corporal and fought as an air defense soldier in the Battle of Stalingrad in 1942-1943. Georg was one of the 250 thousand German soldiers who were surrounded by the Soviet army in the so-called Soviet cauldron. After the cessation of fighting, he ended up in a prisoner of war camp. Only 6 thousand of these prisoners of war returned home, and George was not among them.
    For a long time, the relatives of the German soldier considered him missing. Only last year, the Georg family received information from the German People’s Union for the Care of War Graves that a soldier died from harsh conditions of captivity on March 17, 1943 in a prison camp in Beketovka. Perhaps he was buried among 2006 soldiers near this camp.



    The story of Georg and the work on the project touched me and prompted me to visit the burial site near the city of Kopeisk. This extremely upset me, because I saw the graves of innocently dead people, among whom many wanted to live peacefully and did not want to fight. They experienced incredible difficulties during the war, which my great-grandfather, a participant in the war who was the commander of the rifle company, told me about. He fought not for long, as he was seriously wounded.
    Otto von Bismarck said: "Anyone who has looked into the glassy eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think well before starting a war." I sincerely hope that common sense will prevail throughout the Earth and the world will never see wars again. Thank you for the attention.


    1. BAI
      +2
      2 March 2018 11: 03
      So what? I have already cited this speech here. Just not a reprint, but a photo of the leaf itself (the text, of course, readable).
      1. +1
        2 March 2018 11: 09
        I also wanted to bring this leaflet here. but then I thought it’s so convenient!
        the answer to yours is so what: reading the comments of Koli’s critics, I have a strong feeling that many people haven’t read the text of Koli’s speech!
        1. +3
          2 March 2018 12: 19
          So many really did not read. Kolya was muzzled for "insufficient patriotism" without defining criteria of sufficiency. I do not think that reminding the Germans of the horrors of war would have been anyhow effective if Kolya had read it out as an example of a Soviet soldier. It would have been violet a priori to the Germans on our people — not for that they were going to enslave us. And the fact that I didn’t screw about our victims is an omission of course, and the question is to who on our side oversaw the guy’s performance.
        2. +1
          2 March 2018 15: 01
          This is the tradition of the Russians! "I have not read, but I condemn!", "All enemies!".
    2. +7
      2 March 2018 19: 00
      Quote: K.A.S.
      innocently dead people

      They are already guilty of having come as invaders. And it doesn’t matter how much this Fritz has fought. As soon as he illegally crossed the border line of the USSR, he immediately became guilty. Therefore, there are no graves of innocent victims. There are graves of enemies, i.e. guilty.
      1. Cat
        +2
        2 March 2018 20: 46
        The winners write the story !!!
        This is an axiom .......
        Losers rarely admit defeat and, in most cases, try to justify themselves simply. Just remember the memoirs of German generals!
        A great victory causes an irreversible desire to appeal to her.
        The question is how to do this?
        Everything to the ugliness obviously starting literally from the 50s of the last century, “our victory” will be denigrated! And the further the more. So, the “Koli” phenomenon is just one of many carnations, but intimate and desirable for them, and so intolerably sick for us.
        The answer to the "Koli" phenomenon is simple - "What did the murdered German Kopeyskiy do nonvino?
    3. +2
      2 March 2018 21: 50
      Quote: K.A.S.
      ... the work on the project touched me and prompted me to visit the burial place near the city of Kopeisk .... I saw the graves of innocently dead people, among whom many wanted to live peacefully and did not want to fight.

      What are again attached to a person? Well, he visited the grave Soviet soldiers at the Kopeyskoye cemetery. He speculated that the war took those who wanted to live peacefully and hardly wanted to fight ... if not for the war. I felt sorry for the dead ...
      Here it is, this is the burial place of soldiers who died in the hospitals of Kopeysk. Why this howl of “patriots” was raised is completely incomprehensible.
      1. +3
        2 March 2018 21: 57
        Quote: x917nt
        Why this howl of “patriots” was raised is completely incomprehensible.

        With the fact that they feel sorry for the poor fellow who came to trample our land with their boots. Also write Irina’s speech from Urengoy, how the poor pilot in captivity froze, and he poisoned himself with methyl alcohol, got a little bruised, thinking for three.
        1. +1
          2 March 2018 21: 59
          А
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          With the fact that they feel sorry for the poor fellow who came to trample our land with their boots.

          And Kolya has something to do with ?? He did not say a word of pity for the Germans.
          1. +2
            2 March 2018 22: 05
            "I saw the graves of innocently dead people, among whom many who wanted to live peacefully ....."
            Someone called them to the USSR? Why not tell this Hole about Hans about Lebensborn? About the diary of Tanya Savicheva?
            1. +1
              2 March 2018 22: 21
              Whom did they call? Soviet soldiers? What are you smoking there ??
              What is the fault of Private Baharev, Corporal Katina, ml. Sergeant Lebedev and dozens of soldiers who died in hospitals in Kopeysk and were buried in the cemetery?
              1. +3
                2 March 2018 22: 41
                Kolya said something about our soldiers? No, he was talking about fucking Rau.
                1. +1
                  2 March 2018 22: 58
                  Kolya quite clearly said that he had visited the graves of fallen soldiers, who had incredible difficulties and who his grandfather told him about. Is it really not clear that it was a question of Soviet soldiers? Why would my grandfather talk about the Nazis?
                  And where is there something about RAU or about the Germans ?? So where??
                  It’s better to read Kolya’s speech carefully again and stop fantasies.
                  1. +2
                    2 March 2018 23: 24
                    No, it’s not clear. By the way, you haven’t said about Ira’s speech yet. Stop spinning like a crucian in a pan.
    4. 0
      10 March 2018 12: 01
      Yes, they read on the Internet and listened to this idiotic insanity on YouTube, immediately after the fact of the “penitent” precedent in the Bundestag, do not think people are more stupid than yourself!
      Air defense soldiers from their anti-aircraft small-caliber automatic "firling" and large-caliber "aht-aht" not only destroyed Soviet aircraft, but successfully used them to capture Soviet cities and weights, anti-aircraft guns mowed out infantry, not only advancing, but also sitting in trenches, since 25-40 mm shells easily pierced the walls of log and brick houses (used for this in Stalingrad), parapets and bunkers, and 88 mm anti-aircraft guns, the only ones at the beginning of the war, destroyed the armor of “impenetrable HF” even from long distances and therefore actively used by the Nazi command to fight against Soviet tanks!
      So rightly so, an air defense soldier, corporal of the villainous Wehrmacht, who killed our compatriots, he fully deserved his punishment and, probably, did not consider himself a “sheep”, but was proud of his bloody “exploits”! It is a pity that these Nazi reptiles were not killed immediately, as soon as they began their "drang" to our homeland!
      Kolyasurengoy grew up far from the places where the paw of the Nazi invaders set foot, therefore did not see the traces of their villainous stay on our land! It was necessary to bring him at least to the western regions of Russia ...
  6. +6
    2 March 2018 12: 53
    But Kolya actually had a worthy way out: to speak not about fascist soldiers, but about heroic German anti-fascists.
    ... Talking about anti-fascists, this is not a format now ... unfortunately ...
  7. +5
    2 March 2018 13: 48
    “How can virtue triumph when virtually no one is willing to sacrifice themselves for it? Such a beautiful sunny day, but I need to leave. "Great words. But their girlfriend said, almost a child. !!!!!
  8. +2
    2 March 2018 14: 58
    [quote = Bykov.] What grants did his “teachers" feed on?
    Grants again? What do you know about them? You know how and for what and what they are given for, how they report on them. No need to repeat thoughtlessly every chatter of three-way journalists.
  9. +11
    2 March 2018 17: 23
    Kolya (I write with a small letter on purpose) is a geek worthy of the most powerful censure. An article on the Young Guard was recently published. So schoolchildren from Krasnoarmeysk (Gatchina) fought with the Nazis as in Krasnodon. The Nazis shot them. These were schoolchildren, such as Kolya. Among the executed was Ivan Maksimkov, the brother of my stepfather (Maksimkova A.A.). Did our soldiers shoot German children? True, I knew little stepfather. At the age of 15 he was already a cadet, and at 19 a lieutenant .. Sometimes he came home on leave. In a park in Berlin there is a monument where a German girl sits on the hands of our Red Army man. This fighter brought her out of fire. That's what the stake had to say.
    I often had to go to Berlin on duty. The first time I was there, the Minister of Defense of the GDR and the head of the Stasi brought me to this monument. That was in 1980. We stood in silence, then I laid flowers, bowed and went to work.
    That was what Kolya needed to learn at school and at home. I have the honor ..
    1. +2
      2 March 2018 17: 48
      Now the GDR does not exist, Stasi employees are forbidden to work in state institutions. It is in 2018. And there are many different monuments around the world. People of our generation will soon die out. And such as Kolya will be children and grandchildren. And the future belongs to them, whether we want it or not.
      1. +3
        2 March 2018 18: 35
        Quote: kalibr
        People of our generation will soon die out.

        There are no "people of our generation" in social science. There are "people of our worldview."
        Moreover, the composition of people of each particular worldview in society always changes. This means that society is developing. Or vice versa, it is degrading.
        Movements are possible in both directions.
        1. 0
          9 March 2018 13: 40
          There is a "theory of generations." So the term is appropriate. If you do not know something, this does not mean that this does not exist!
          1. +1
            9 March 2018 19: 31
            Quote: kalibr
            There is a "theory of generations."

            I also met the theory of flat earth, too. So what?
            Quote: kalibr
            If you do not know something, this does not mean that this does not exist!

            I agree with this.
            But with the "people of our generation", no.
    2. +1
      2 March 2018 18: 39
      Quote: midshipman
      I often had to go to Berlin on duty. The first time I was there, the Minister of Defense of the GDR and the head of the Stasi brought me to this monument. That was in 1980. We stood in silence, then I laid flowers, bowed and went to work.

      Yes, more than once we had to read from you that all the General Secretaries and other highest USSR bonzes made acquaintances with you. And sometimes you even let them hold on to your pen.
      And there are different "friends" there, they are understandable, you had parcels on the premises.
      PS. 1980 years have passed since 38. How many years did you lay flowers there if you were accompanied by the highest ranks of the GDR?
      Obviously young, but an early dreamer.
      1. +6
        2 March 2018 19: 18
        In vain you are so ironic, wer2.
        In 1980, I was 42 years old. Yes, the first order was handed to me by Romanov G.V. And in the first hostilities I participated in 1972 in Egypt. Remember or read how our MiG-25RB aircraft flew over Israel. Be more polite with the inhabitants of Russia. Live our life and try for the country to do what our generation has done. I have the honor. .
        1. +1
          2 March 2018 19: 44
          Quote: midshipman
          In 1980, I was 42 years old.

          Even if you were the head of the head of one of the defense ministries (not even a deputy minister, not even a defense ministry), then this is too small a figure for the GDR defense minister and the head of the Stasi (local KGB).
          In addition, you have been seen in "fantasies" before.
          Quote: midshipman
          Be more polite with the inhabitants of Russia.

          What do you have in mind? Silently "absorb" your sayings?
          Quote: midshipman
          Live our life and try for the country to do what our generation has done.

          I somehow do not remember any special achievements. You claim that you were born in 1938, as I understand it. On the contrary, in the years of your maturity, 54 years, there was a complete collapse of everything and everything. In your value system.
          However, you may have your own opinion on this. Perpendicular, as was customary in the USSR.
          1. +1
            2 March 2018 20: 02
            Quote: midshipman
            In vain you are so ironic, wer2.

            I do not think.
            I understand that you are claiming that you are Shatrakov Yuri Grigoryevich.
            But Shatrakov Yu.G. in 1980, he was not "the chief of the headquarters (GU) of one of the defense ministries", as you write about yourself in your profile. He was the chief engineer at the Ministry of Radio Industry. For the Minister of Defense and the head of the KGB of the GDR, Shatrakov Yu.G. there was nobody. And they called him, for them, "no way." Therefore, they did not drive him anywhere, not by rank. These are all your “fantasies”.
            1. +1
              2 March 2018 20: 05
              And here is the information from your profile:

              Shatrakov Yu.G. really born in 1938
              1965 ctn.
              1979 dtn.
              1. Cat
                +6
                2 March 2018 21: 11
                ? wer2 - I do not like to intervene in conflicts, but your (specially written with a small letter) pearls regarding Michman are stupid and thoughtless! What do you judge by the profile of "Nobody" and "Nothing" trying to prove? Yu.G. Shatrovsky is not equal to Michman? Or you just had a desire in my 10 comments to pour mud at someone!
                If you want to be heard, then open the cards about yourself, then we and the forum users will think to listen to you or not!
                Now, according to Yu.G. Shatrovsky, I give the tooth, tail and paw, in addition, that it is he and he. Why? A year ago, I sinful succumbed to doubts about ........ and just asked my friends to check. So my doubts were completely dispelled. Dear Yuri Georgievich, forgive me for this. But now “someone” - “something” N2 prepare your sneaker! The cat is going to take revenge !!!
                1. +1
                  2 March 2018 21: 27
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  ? wer2 - I do not like to intervene in conflicts

                  And I do not like. Where did you notice the conflict?
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  but yours (specially written with a small letter)

                  And you love to intervene. And create them, too.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  Earls against Michman, stupid and thoughtless!

                  Are you a great specialist in this matter?
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  What do you judge by the profile of "Nobody" and "Nothing" trying to prove?

                  If you do not understand, I will explain personally and once. The GDR, the Minister of Defense and the head of the KGB (Stasi), was not obligated to lead to the monuments of the chief engineer of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Radio and Electronics. Therefore, Michman's allegations in this regard look extremely doubtful.
                  In addition, there is no evidence that Michman is Shatrakov Yu.G.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  Or you just had a desire in my 10 comments to pour mud at someone!

                  Apparently you need to drink a sedative and stop hysteria without any reason.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  then we with forum users will think to listen to you or not!

                  I don’t care who you listen to and who you don’t.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  I give a tooth, a tail and a paw in addition

                  It does not cost anything. Soother.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  So my doubts were completely dispelled.

                  I am immensely happy for you. But the point was not whether Shatrakov or not.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  The cat is going to take revenge !!!

                  Yeah Apparently "critical days." Too many female hormones.
                2. 0
                  2 March 2018 21: 37
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  ? wer2

                  If you’re so meticulous, how do you like Michman’s phrase?
                  Quote: midshipman
                  Yes, the first order was handed to me by Romanov G.V. And in the first hostilities I participated in 1972 in Egypt.

                  A simple verbal connective seems to be vaguely hinting (perhaps it seemed to me?) That the first order was received for participating in the hostilities in Egypt in 1972.
                  But Shatrakov has 2 orders:
                  1. Order LABOR Red Banner.
                  2. Order of the Badge of Honor. Established for rewarding for high achievements in production, research, state, socio-cultural, sports and other socially useful activities, as well as for manifestations civil valor.
                  Shatrakov has no Fighting Orders.
                  Yes, and one more thing. I do not know who Midshipman is. But I completely agree that Shatrakov Yu.G. very worthy person. At least I can draw such a conclusion by reading about it on the Internet.
            2. +2
              5 March 2018 19: 01
              The Minister of Defense of the GDR and the head of the Stasi were normal people, and not snickering officials of the Russian Federation and priests of the Russian Orthodox Church, spoke Russian (the Minister of Defense of the GDR had his first wife, Russian) and, moreover, they were sincere friends of the USSR. Midshipman was cooler than the minister at that time. He was one of the gods of the then radio. was a useful person and the heads of defense departments met him and could, in an informal meeting, get into a car and lay wreaths at the monument.
              My friend was in the Transcaucasian republics (I don’t remember exactly - Dagestan or Ingushetia), traveled a savage. I went into the museum and at that time a delegation arrived with the head of the republic. So the head of the republic with all those present in the museum greeted his hand.
              1. 0
                5 March 2018 19: 21
                Quote: lesnik1978
                Midshipman was cooler than the minister at that time.

                You poorly know the power system in the USSR. And I know her very well. Therefore, I recommend that you do not write such nonsense.
                Quote: lesnik1978
                He was one of the gods of the then radio.

                Who told you that? Chief engineer of GU, this is certainly a considerable position. Very big. Not many on the shoulder.
                But about the "god of radio engineering" you are clearly bent. There were these GUs in the Ministry of Radio Industry, now I don’t remember exactly, but more than 10 for sure. Therefore, there were enough competitors for this title. After all, there were also chiefs of the GU. And the chiefs of GU with the status of a member of the board. And the deputy minister. And finally, the minister himself. What is not the "god of radio engineering"?
        2. +4
          2 March 2018 21: 14
          Midshipman, do not feed the troll. He only needs it.
          1. Cat
            +3
            2 March 2018 21: 23
            Dear Sergey - You are 100% right !!!
  10. +3
    3 March 2018 16: 48
    Sophie and Hans Scholly, as well as Christoph Probst, were sentenced to death by Judge Roland Frasler.

    Interestingly, Roland Freisler began his butchering career in Russia - even in the Civil War he was commissioner of the food detachment. And upon his return to Germany, he joined the NSDAP in 1925m — long before the Nazi came to power. Unfortunately, he avoided the loop - on January 3, 1945, he was killed by an American bomb during the next court session.
  11. +4
    4 March 2018 12: 36
    Quote: Adjutant
    But in general, this case was inflated, even Peskov was indignant

    -------------------------
    What inflated? This oversized idiot carried pseudo-humanistic nonsense from the rostrum of the parliament of another country, justifying Nazism and Hitlerism. He looked like a shameful collaborator. And in this touching story, the judge sent young people to the block only for throwing leaflets from the balcony. The judge apparently didn’t inflate anything, but simply sewn treason to young people.
  12. +4
    4 March 2018 12: 45
    Quote: K.A.S.
    but I wonder if he could say his speech not in the Bundestag, but for example at the Khotyn memorial, or at the Piskaryovskoye cemetery?
    Since commentators are mostly writers, not readers, I’m paying attention: a phrase that provoked indignation: since I saw the graves of innocent victims

    ----------------------------------
    I heard this speech on Youtube and read it. In general, it is ugly and not true. There were no "unwilling to fight." The Germans and other Europeans deliberately went east, to Russia, to become new white gentlemen. World capital deliberately enriched Germany in 1933-1939 and with the promise of new estates, the brutalized Teutons flooded into Russia. But to cover up with humanistic oil quite bestial intentions is useless.
  13. +3
    4 March 2018 20: 30
    And in Germany they study in schools the exploits of Soviet people committed in the fight against fascism? The feat of the Komsomol members of the "Young Guard", for example? Author, answer the question: Why in high school should our children study the history of Germany at such a level? Maybe someone again went to the Bundestag to "internship" in German money? They will be glad there, how glad the Germans were when the traitor General Vlasov came to them.
    Resistance in fascist Germany was broken by the work of the Gestapo, but for the most part, by the denunciation of the Germans themselves to dissident neighbors, friends, and colleagues. By about the 1936-1937 years, Hitler had become so popular that most Germans believed him unconditionally. Single resistance cells could not lead to the collapse of the Hitler regime. The collapse came under the cannonade of our artillery and thanks to the heroism of our people!
  14. +1
    5 March 2018 15: 12
    Quote: The same Lech
    yes, even the Kremlin advised leaving the boy alone

    The Kremlin can advise anything ... to think to us as we want it will not forbid ... but it will try to put pressure on it so we will vote against it in the elections.
    You can’t agree with KREMLIN on everything ... it is fraught with turning into blanks.

    But isn’t it obvious that some even here, at the VO forum, have turned into them? sad