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Antonov and Volga-Dnepr have submitted an application for participation in the NATO tender

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Antonov and Volga-Dnepr have submitted an application for participation in the NATO tender



The Antonov State Enterprise and the Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies submitted a joint application for participation in the NATO tender for strategic air transportation under the SALIS (Strategic Airlift Interim Solution) program. It is reported by the press service of the state enterprise "Antonov". The partners presented to the tender committee wide opportunities for the combined An-124-100 Ruslan heavy transport aircraft fleet and their modifications belonging to the Antonov Airlines air transport division of Antonov Airlines and the Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies. This is the official website of the State Company "Ukrspetsexport".

This Ukrainian-Russian alliance already has a long-term positive experience in SALIS. Since March 2006, under the SALIS program, Ruslan airplanes performed more than 2100 flights, delivered more than 120000 tons of military and civilian cargo to different countries of the world
The use of An-124-100 "Ruslan" in the SALIS program contributed to strengthening the position of Ukraine as a reliable partner in the field of international air transportation. Therefore, today resolving the issue of continued participation of the Antonov State Enterprise in this program is an important state task. “We will do everything possible to ensure effective work of Ruslans in the framework of the SALIS program received fruitful development,” said President-General Designer of Antonov State Enterprise Dmitry Kiva in this regard.
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  1. Igorboss16
    Igorboss16 April 22 2012 08: 23
    -6
    yes, I didn’t expect to hear that, apparently the wrong people are sitting in the Ukrainian government
    1. Sergh
      Sergh April 22 2012 09: 00
      +3
      If you bring weapons and ammunition, then you don’t have to go into the sky of Russia, amer I’ll swear a thread like an old, rusty vigorous bonba stuffed into an airplane corner, supposedly the hero N-sk will be knocked down over Russia by mujahideen. Let their pilot lay the route through Turkey.
      1. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen April 22 2012 16: 02
        +3
        Sergh you yourself believe in what you wrote .or humor :-)
    2. Kievan
      Kievan April 22 2012 09: 44
      34
      Quote: Igorboss16
      yes, I didn’t expect to hear that, apparently the wrong people are sitting in the Ukrainian government

      He also did not expect that so many people would not be able to read that VOLGA-DNEPR - Russian company from Ulyanovsk.
      In 2001, Volga-Dnepr was the only airline whose aircraft were used to transport goods to Afghanistan for an international alliance led by the United States. After the start of the military campaign to overthrow the Taliban, the airline took and is still actively involved in humanitarian operations in the country.

      I can also assume that the NATO weapons are produced using Russian gas and aluminum, and these weapons are driven by fuels made from Russian oil, and the IKEA furniture in the offices of NATO generals is made from Russian wood. Moreover, the money received from all this is stored in the currency and securities of NATO countries. I no longer remember the transit of goods through Russia together with the Ulyanovsk transshipment base.
      Stalin probably already wiped the coffin from turning over.
      So there is no need here about Ukraine and its government ...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 22 2012 14: 19
        +7
        For Kievite In general, I support you, but at the expense of Stalin, he at one time worked very fruitfully with America and had almost friendly relations with Roosevelt. So it is unlikely that the coffin will be wiped.
        And on the account of transportation, I wish good luck to Antonov State Enterprise and Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies in the tender.
        1. Kievan
          Kievan April 23 2012 01: 11
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          For the Kievite. In general, I support you, but at the expense of Stalin, he at one time worked very fruitfully with America and had almost friendly relations with Roosevelt. So it is unlikely that the coffin will be wiped.
          And on the account of transportation, I wish good luck to Antonov State Enterprise and Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies in the tender.


          Thank. About Stalin is humor. And everything else is ironic about the fact that the world has become much more complex and interconnected today than during the confrontation of the blocs when everyone was sitting at his fence. Even the United States and China, the number one rivals are the main trading partners and are interdependent on each other. I’m not sure that everyone who put the pluses understood my irony correctly and probably took her for the Communist Party’s end position. Otherwise, it is difficult to explain the number of pluses.
      2. Igorboss16
        Igorboss16 April 22 2012 16: 00
        -1
        Quote: Kievite
        The use of the An-124-100 Ruslan in the SALIS program contributed to strengthening the position of Ukraine as a reliable partner in the field of international air transportation. Therefore, today, resolving the issue of continuing the participation of the Antonov state enterprise in this program is an important state task. “We will do our best to ensure that the effective work of Ruslanov within the SALIS program is fruitfully developed,” said Dmitry Kiva, President and General Designer of Antonov State Enterprise, in connection with this.

        To avoid copyright infringement, post a hyperlink to the original article: http://topwar.ru/13697-antonov-i-volga-dnepr-podali-zayavku-na-uchastie-v-tender
        e-nato.html # comment-id-307363

        read carefully formally the Ulyanovsk branch blew, and there will be a lot of noise
        let NATO bring down his proposal to hell
      3. Sandov
        Sandov April 22 2012 18: 23
        -1
        It's time to close the sky for amers - or does the loot tax? All sold out.
      4. VAF
        VAF April 23 2012 00: 21
        +1
        Quote: Kievite
        I also did not expect that so many people would not be able to read that VOLGA-DNEPR was a Russian company from Ulyanovsk.


        And you always expect, because there are different people and a plane for someone is not at all what it really is!
        You +!

        Dear sirs, calm down and do not "drive" the wave in vain!

        People work, fly, do not engage in "gag"!

        And to cheer up, the latest news and photos! fellow

        April 21, 2012: photo arrival in Vietnam of the An-124 Ruslan military transport aircraft with Su-30MK2 fighters on board.
        Delivery is carried out under a contract in February 2010, according to which Vietnam should receive 12 Su-30MK2 aircraft manufactured by KnAAPO.
        In the picture, the Su-30MK2 has tail number 8573.

        Su-30MK2V aircraft of the first contract (4 aircraft) have tail numbers 8531, 8532, 8533 and 8534. Delivered in November-December 2004.

        The Su-30MK2 aircraft of the second contract (8 aircraft) were delivered in two batches of 4 aircraft in June 2011 (w / n 8535/8538) and December 2011 (w / n 8539/8542).
    3. Nymp
      Nymp April 22 2012 15: 34
      0
      They have been sitting there (in the sense of "not those") for 20 years !!!
    4. Nymp
      Nymp April 22 2012 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Igorboss16
      apparently the wrong people are sitting in the Ukrainian government
      They have been sitting there (in the sense of "not those") for 20 years !!!
      1. escobar
        escobar April 22 2012 22: 09
        -1
        Quote: Nymp
        They have been sitting there (in the sense of "not those") for 20 years !!!

        Or sit, but not there !!
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim April 22 2012 08: 25
    +3
    Your friendship with NATO will bring you trouble. And troubles will appear at the most unexpected moment! request
    1. YARY
      YARY April 22 2012 08: 31
      +6
      "Choose me, choose me!
      Bird of happiness
      Tomorrow! " laughing
      Shame on you!
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor April 22 2012 12: 52
        +5
        And so, slowly - little by little, they are embracing us from all sides.
        Although what can I say - if the Americans on our Protons fly into space!
        Our Urals and Helicopters - buy for Afghanistan !? belay belay
        And at the same time - we were, are and will be - Enemies No. 1 at each other! belay
        We dress many in Colambia, the equipment at home for many - Polaris - Everything is purely Amerian - assembled and made in America.so.sii - not in China.
        We all watch movies - Ameriko.so.sss.skie, drink - Pepsi and Cola, Sprite and Fantu. We eat - at McDonald's. Kurim - Winston. Marlboro -
        those. we pay Enemy No. 1 - we withdraw $ from the country, instead of buying domestic products and supporting our production - and in return we get Snikers and Mars. Although the same chocolate - Babaevsky - is very good, Alyonka, but how many of them are our products.
        How would it really turn out - that:
        Quote: PSih2097
        Business, business and nothing but business ... As they say money does not smell.

        wassat sad
        1. estonian
          estonian April 22 2012 13: 11
          +3
          Quote: Neighbor
          Neighbor (2) Today, 12:52 0 
          And so, slowly - little by little, they are embracing us from all sides.
          Although what can I say - if the Americans on our Protons fly into space!
          Our Urals and Helicopters - buy for Afghanistan !?
          And at the same time - we were, are and will be - Enemies No. 1 at each other!
          We dress many in Colambia, the equipment at home for many - Polaris - Everything is purely Amerian - assembled and made in America.so.sii - not in China.
          We all watch movies - Ameriko.so.sss.skie, drink - Pepsi and Cola, Sprite and Fantu. We eat - at McDonald's. Kurim - Winston. Marlboro -
          those. we pay Enemy No. 1 - we withdraw $ from the country, instead of buying domestic products and supporting our production - and in return we get Snikers and Mars. Although the same chocolate - Babaevsky - is very good, Alyonka, but how many of them are our products.
          How would it really turn out - that:
          Quote: PSih2097
          Business, business and nothing but business ... As they say money does not smell.
          For what they fought for it and ran as a spokesman .. If you want to get democracy and the current government is not to blame for this, imagine the government will remove makdaki and ban foreign cigarettes and foodstuffs because you can imagine the stench? it’s up to the pogrom that you’re pandering yourself now in the country of patriots, there’s practically no time left for everyone to think about themselves and shy away from passers-by ...
          1. Neighbor
            Neighbor April 22 2012 13: 24
            +6
            Quote: Estonian
            the current government is not to blame for this; well, imagine the government removes the mcducks, bans foreign cigarettes and food products, so how can you imagine the stink? it’s up to the pogrom that you’re pandering yourself now in the country of patriots, there’s practically no time left for everyone to think about themselves and shy away from passers-by ...

            That's right! wink The same applies not only to cigarettes, but also to vodka, beer and other rubbish. People with us - they themselves have the right to decide - what they need and what not! wassat So we have - what we have - every 4/5 - an alcoholic or drug addict.
            And then the people themselves are surprised - where the authorities look, why cruel children grow up, why maniacs and pedophiles around.
            And forbid all this ....... - alcohol, tobacco - the first to trample on the barricades.
            I personally think - for a vodyari bubble - the price should be - not lower than 500 rubles, for a pack of cigarettes - 200 rubles. I would only be for it. Beer is debatable. after all - the 2nd most popular drink in the world - after tea. Drink everywhere. Beer - you need it so - but it’s good enough, and not all Baltic 9 and Masters are strong.
            Cocktails have no place at all in stores - such as Blazer, Jaguar - terrible poison. He drank them many times - when he had been drinking for 3 years - there was a period like this in his life.
            God forbid - to anyone slipping periods, and even more so - our youth.
            1. Neighbor
              Neighbor April 22 2012 13: 45
              +3
              And here - she is the Price - of all these Amer.ico.sos.ski.x - good! Price - paid by completely foreign countries and their civilians! am
        2. Neighbor
          Neighbor April 22 2012 13: 37
          +4
          Here - it is happiness - according to Amer.ico.sos.ski !!! belay wassat
          Freedom and democracy ........! am
          The only thing missing is a syringe and a bubble with a condom!
          1. Neighbor
            Neighbor April 22 2012 13: 41
            +4
            But a look at the world - according to Ame.ri.ko.so.ss.ki !!!
            1. savelij
              savelij April 22 2012 14: 44
              +2
              And here is how Russians think of others!
              1. Nick
                Nick April 22 2012 15: 04
                +7
                Quote: savelij
                And here is how Russians think of others!

                Well, of course, some think, but not all, not all. In Zamkadia, people are more thoughtful than in the throne ...
              2. Sandov
                Sandov April 22 2012 18: 32
                +4
                Savely is wrong as always. This is what the tweeters and doggies think. People don’t think so.
          2. Kievan
            Kievan April 22 2012 14: 44
            +2
            Quote: Neighbor
            Here - it is happiness - according to Amer.ico.sos.ski !!! belay wassat
            Freedom and democracy ........! am


            Moreover, democracy and freedom to obesity are nonsense. Decades of wealth unprecedented on the planet + fast food = weight of the average American. About 10 years ago, a fat Chinese man was big, but now he is gone. And after forty years, the average Chinese woman will look like this.
        3. Sandov
          Sandov April 22 2012 18: 27
          +5
          Amer’s films can be watched only pre-war and post-war. The current action is out of shit. Amerskoy zhrachka - complete shit. From Pepsi, our children are fatty and impotent. Its necessary to produce and consume. Hey, you up there. Aw.
      2. party3AH
        party3AH April 22 2012 15: 41
        +2
        You can also understand if we do not have a job, they take work on the side because we need to maintain these planes and staff who have families who want to eat every day, if ours gave orders to such "carriers" then they would not look to the side.
  3. Liberal
    Liberal April 22 2012 08: 25
    0
    Do they really want, for dirty green papers, to help world imperialism realize their terrible goals? Indulge in the aggressive plans of the damned USA and their lackeys ?! laughing Comrade Stalin turns over in his grave ...
  4. PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 22 2012 08: 31
    +6
    Business, business and nothing but business ... As they say money does not smell.
    1. Satanail
      Satanail April 22 2012 12: 13
      +2
      Money doesn’t smell, it stinks and gives a sweet smell. In this case, treacherous.
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 22 2012 08: 45
    +2
    I feel that Yanukovych will "win" the elections.
    1. escobar
      escobar April 22 2012 22: 11
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I feel that Yanukovych will "win" the elections.

      And how does he feel !!!!
  6. taseka
    taseka April 22 2012 08: 52
    +6
    Private traders go deep into polites, they need dollars!
    1. April 22 2012 10: 21
      0
      taseka,
      Private traders do not solve these issues.
  7. Marmot
    Marmot April 22 2012 09: 21
    10
    Quote: Igorboss16
    yes, I didn’t expect to hear that, apparently the wrong people are sitting in the Ukrainian government

    Quote: Igorboss16
    yes, I didn’t expect to hear that, apparently the wrong people are sitting in the Ukrainian government

    Why did you attack Ukraine? You were born yesterday, by God!
    The management company Volga-Dnepr Moscow LLC, type in the Volga-Dnepr group of companies into the search and you will find out everything. It's just business, cargo for NATO in Afghanistan has been going through Russia for a long time, they say that not the military, but who knows recourse
    1. April 22 2012 10: 20
      +6
      Quote: Groundhog
      cargoes for NATO in Afghanistan have been going through Russia for a long time, they say that it’s not the military, but there who knows

      No, this is probably news for many. wassat
      Now, unfortunately, the tantrum will rise again ...

      Read:
      http://vz.ru/politics/2012/4/13/574348.html

      The one who spreads the "news" about the "NATO base in the Russian Federation" is either a provocateur, or simply a d & t. Consider this an official statement ... There is no NATO base in Ulyanovsk. No, it never was and never will be. Someone made a provocation and pushed naive people to stupidity. Shame, ”Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor April 22 2012 11: 07
        -3
        Quote: kos
        Someone made a provocation and pushed naive people to stupidity. Shame, ”Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.

        Orange hamsters !!! Here is who!
        The glory of Russia is a shame and disgrace to the orange hamsters !!!
      2. Karabin
        Karabin April 22 2012 13: 06
        +2
        Quote: kos
        The one who spreads the "news" about the "NATO base in the Russian Federation" is either a provocateur, or simply a d & t. Consider this an official statement ... There is no NATO base in Ulyanovsk. No, it never was and never will be. Someone made a provocation and pushed naive people to stupidity. Shame, ”Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.

        But Antonov and Volga-Dnepr where to carry the goods gathered for you?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 22 2012 16: 12
          +6
          Quote: Karabin
          But Antonov and Volga-Dnepr where to carry the goods gathered for you?


          Not only are they going but they have been transported for a long time.
          NATO Strategic Airlift Interim Solution (SALIS) Strategic Airlift Program

          Purpose of the program: ensuring the possibility of strategic airlift of military and non-military cargo using aircraft leased from third states
          NATO SALIS member countries: Belgium, United Kingdom, Hungary, Germany, Greece, Denmark, Canada, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Finland, France, Czech Republic, Sweden.
          Contractor: Ruslan SALIS GmbH (a joint venture of the Russian Volga-Dnepr group of companies and the Ukrainian company Antonova Airlines), headquarters in Leipzig.
          Terms of agreement: 2 An-124-100 aircraft are based on the agreement validity period at the military air base in Leipzig (Germany), 4 aircraft are available on request from the territory of Russia and Ukraine.

          The first contract was signed for a period of three years, then it was renewed: in 2008 - for two years and at the end of 2010 - for another two. In general, the SALIS project was planned to be completed at the latest by the end of 2012. By this time, NATO countries were going to get own strategic military transport aviation, in particular, A400M aircraft of the European aircraft concern EADS. But there was a delay with them, and the SALIS project over the past six years, according to the estimates of its participants, has proved its effectiveness and reliability.
          But, as reported by German media, the demand for Ruslan air transport services is predicted to continue in the foreseeable future. Ruslan SALIS GmbH is going to expand its fleet, including modified IL-76, and after 2013, the new Ukrainian An-70. According to expert estimates, the forecasted market demand is 90 of these machines, while Volga-Dnepr Airlines and Antonov Design Bureau currently have only 17 aircraft chartered for many weeks in advance. This gives reason to believe that in the current tender for the SALIS program, Ukrainian Antonov Airlines (and this company has only 7 An-124 Ruslan units at its disposal) will win without any problems.
          My webpage
          My webpage
    2. legleleg
      legleleg April 22 2012 10: 21
      +3
      I agree money is needed in the budget. only activity under the most careful control
  8. Varangian
    Varangian April 22 2012 10: 21
    0
    business is not business, but would they allow us to transit through their territory? crying
  9. denkastro
    denkastro April 22 2012 11: 31
    +5
    Ruslan is not an AK, and if NATA buys them, then this is oddly enough a plus for our defense. If you approach this issue wisely, you can always know what, how much and where NATO is being transported in these airplanes. "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" aphorism.
  10. suharev-52
    suharev-52 April 22 2012 13: 10
    +2
    The situation on this issue is most likely artificially escalated. We don't know a lot and certain forces are pushing the opinion they need to us. And thanks to this, the situation in Russia is shaken. It's time to really stop being carried on such wiring. Well, that the old senile ZYu plays on the side of Russia's "best friends", it says one thing, that he is becoming inadequate. And the Communist Party would have to think about changing the leader if they want to stay in the political system. I think this topic is a provocation and is not worthy of discussion. Sincerely.
    1. ozs
      ozs April 22 2012 14: 21
      +1
      Yes, it’s getting pumped. But were they planning to do the base in Ulyanovsk? Gathered.
      Is there a transit? There is. Does Russia serve US interests? It turns out serves.
    2. Bear52
      Bear52 April 22 2012 22: 58
      -1
      I support fully and on all counts! drinks
    3. April 23 2012 00: 19
      0
      Quote: suharev-52
      The situation on this issue is most likely artificially escalated. We don't know a lot and certain forces are pushing the opinion they need to us. And thanks to this, the situation in Russia is shaken. It's time to really stop being carried on such wiring. Well, that the old senile ZYu plays on the side of Russia's "best friends", it says one thing, that he is becoming inadequate. And the Communist Party would have to think about changing the leader if they want to stay in the political system. I think this topic is a provocation and is not worthy of discussion. Sincerely.

      It is not strange, but in this case I agree with each of your words.
  11. Karabin
    Karabin April 22 2012 13: 37
    +2
    There will be a NATO base in Ulyanovsk, just a base and nothing else, an agreement has already been reached. Foreign ministry officials made corresponding statements on this, shamefacedly calling this a "transit point." It is for air transportation to the Ulyanovsk base that a tender has been announced. Putin and Medvedev are silent about the base, which once again confirms its opening.
    The Ulyanovsk base is on a par with joining the WTO, reforming the army, education, health care, and pension reform. The question of creating a certain "Far East Siberian corporation" is being considered, whose activities in certain areas will not be regulated by the laws of the Russian Federation. I consider everything described above to be inconsistent with our national interests, but at the same time with the interests of a certain group of people who currently control the power in Russia. To put it bluntly, this is all BREACH.
    And more
    We are being led to a situation that has never happened under any Yeltsin. And who is to blame for this? Sobchak? Nemtsov? Other "swamp"? Not without them. But first of all, the so-called "patriots" who are for a "new Putin", for the stability of a churchyard the size of one-sixth of the land, who "won". It is they, like the blind Faust, who stopped the moment when the devils were digging his grave, for the last year they have been driving nails with passion into the coffin of what was once the great Russian Empire, for which they so stand up. These people consider themselves, of course, better than the "liberals." But no. All these skins and rams with the sovereign-Orthodox gloss are not one iota better than the Germans and the Venedict. They are even worse, because with their meanness and stupidity they smear much more holy concepts, devaluing them in vain ...(C)
    Words are not mine, but I will subscribe to every word.
    1. sahha
      sahha April 22 2012 13: 51
      +3
      If the supreme power betrays the people who voted for it, who believed in it (the leader), then something will happen ... it seems to me it will be better than anywhere else.
      God forbid Tokogo (including betrayal) angry am am angry
      1. ozs
        ozs April 22 2012 14: 44
        -3
        Do you still doubt it? But didn’t she betray over the past 25 years.
        I am amazed that a dwarf needs to do such a thing so that everyone is convinced of the game for the gates of others.
    2. ozs
      ozs April 22 2012 14: 38
      -4
      Temporary workers do their job well.

      Yes. what are these patriots. These are corruptible skins or stupid people. A normal person does not believe in promises, but in his own eyes.
      In my opinion, Russia has a maximum of 5-7 years and that's it. And then all the terms will be combined and the result will be the final dismantling of Russian civilization.
      1. Odinplys
        Odinplys April 24 2012 07: 02
        +1
        ozsWhere was your ZY ... when he practically refused to win the election ... why he refused ... it became frightening ... he realized that he would not stretch the country ...
        And how Putin ... Medvedev ... not afraid of failure ... corrected the situation ... everyone flocked to their laurels ... of course it’s good to become in power of a country that felt power at its feet ...
        Only this is not ZU ... merit ... and do not stick your nose now ...
        The people chose the President ... and we trust him ...
    3. April 23 2012 00: 22
      +2
      Quote: Karabin

      The NATO base in Ulyanovsk will be, namely the base and nothing else, an agreement has already been reached.

      Let's get the facts. And if you please explain what "base" is in your understanding.

      Quote: Karabin
      The Ulyanovsk base is on a par with the entry into the WTO, the reform of the army, education, health, pension reform.

      Stop the tantrum.
      1. ozs
        ozs April 23 2012 14: 49
        -1
        Wait a bit and there will be a fact in the form of a base.
        What is the difference, how to call the base or point of material support, the essence of this will not change. The dwarf once again complied with the instructions of his overseas masters.
        1. Odinplys
          Odinplys April 24 2012 06: 54
          +2
          ozs,
          Bullshit ... and the worst ... conscious ...
  12. Pablomc
    Pablomc April 22 2012 15: 19
    -3
    Dear forum users ....!

    But do not you think that you are inadequate members of society (id ..... you are in the common people)?
    At least another year? :) :) :)


    If commercial carriers are harnessed to the project, then the state authorities have nothing against such transportation.
    The country's leadership has smart people and since they made such a decision, it does not contradict the interests of the country.
    Rogozin is already tired of explaining this to your likes on Facebook :)
    And you again for your ....

    Even Dmitry Olegovich’s daragoi, your brother, already begins to perceive an idiot ....
    1. Nymp
      Nymp April 22 2012 15: 42
      +9
      Quote: PabloMC
      But do not you think that you are inadequate members of society (id ..... you are in the common people)?
      At least another year? :) :) :)
      When a person perceives others as idiots, and in himself feels superior to society, then one of the three; 1) He is in a psycho hospital, 2) He is an academician, 3) This is a diagnosis of his mental illness! I think the third option is more real! After all, you are not an academician?
      1. VAF
        VAF April 23 2012 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Nymp
        When a person perceives others as idiots,


        Just BRAVISSIMO !!! ++++++++ !!! drinks
    2. Odinplys
      Odinplys April 24 2012 06: 36
      +1
      Pablomc,

      But how President Medvedev turned out to be worthless .... it is unpleasant to realize this.
      This person should not have been the face of the state.
      The face of the state should be a bright and charismatic person.
      Personality!

      This is your comment on the previous article ...
      Quote: PabloMC
      The country's leadership has smart people and since they made such a decision, it does not contradict the interests of the country

      here you have the opposite ... so still ... where do you have the truth ...
  13. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha April 22 2012 17: 39
    -4
    There should be no transit !!! If the authorities, against the will of the overwhelming majority, all the same take this step, it will be another act in the action "Humiliation of the national pride of Great Russians".
    1. Pablomc
      Pablomc April 22 2012 21: 52
      +1
      prophet Alyosha,

      Would you walk Alesha forest :)
      The authorities are somewhat smarter than the vast majority :)
      Though it pleases.
    2. April 23 2012 00: 29
      +4
      Quote: Prophet Alyosha
      against the will of the overwhelming majority, all the same they will take this step, it will be the next act in the action "Humiliation of the national pride of Great Russians".

      There are many things that the "vast majority" don't understand at all. That is why popular referendums are a stupid thing. populist and dangerous (Zyuganov loves such methods).

      What would have happened if the Greek government held a referendum with the question: "Accept the EU conditions or not?" (And the conditions are a strong reduction in the budgetary expenditure side. I think there is no need to explain what this means for citizens).

      Therefore, the United States has never held a referendum.

      We elected the leadership, we delegated power to them, which means we gave them the right to make decisions for us. So let them take it, but we'll see. In the end, they have much more input to make a decision than ours.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 23 2012 11: 11
        +2
        Very competently and correctly! to all your comments on +! good
      2. ozs
        ozs April 23 2012 18: 19
        -1
        Yes, all this is an empty chatter.
        Firstly, it is not necessary to say that most support the gnome. The turnout in the elections, it proved.
        Secondly, do not think that people do not notice obvious things.
        Thirdly, you have already delegated ebn twice, you can’t look without tears and a mat.

        Please tell me why Russia makes NATO concessions? What for? What is the benefit?
        1. Odinplys
          Odinplys April 24 2012 06: 51
          +2
          ozs,
          And in Syria ... and in Iran ... and in missile defense ... Russia has clearly stated its position ... without any concessions ...
          And what kind of concessions in transportation ... you still need to win a tender for transportation ... Russia does not make any concessions in this case ... Russia should proceed from personal interests ... or we’ll replenish the country's budget here ...
          Can civil flights to NATO countries be canceled ... we also serve the interests of NATO ...
          1. ozs
            ozs April 24 2012 22: 51
            -1
            Yes, in Syria, the position is balanced.
            If you care about the budget, you should not earn and lose markets on transit, the situation with Libya is indicative.

            On missile defense in general, a slurring moo, what is the clarity of the position on missile defense?

            What is Russia's personal interest in building a base for NATO support on its territory?