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Kuchma: Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state

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Ex-President Leonid Kuchma said that Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state, and the people of the country are in a terrible situation today. His words leads "Ukraina.ru".


Kuchma: Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state


Ukraine has never been a state in the full sense of the word, and the current situation of Ukrainians is terrible. Seventy-five percent of the gross product is our debt. That's horrible. And who will pay for them? If now does not give the International Monetary Fund, what, to declare a default?
- he asks.

The politician is sure that the deputies of the Rada and the ruling elite led the country to such a state of affairs. At the same time, Kuchma noted that today politicians are preparing for the upcoming presidential and parliamentary elections, forgetting about the living conditions of the population and the state of the national economy.

We all looked forward to the Munich Conference. However, Ukraine was generally on the outskirts. Supposedly we do not exist there. If the president had not gone there and did not remind us that we are on the European map, so surely we would have forgotten. That's what scary. And we need to think about it
- declared Kuchma.

We will remind, earlier Kuchma expressed disagreement with the new law “on reintegration of Donbass”. In particular, the ex-president was unhappy that there was no mention of the Minsk agreements. In general, he considers this document to be political.
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  1. Ravik
    Ravik 24 February 2018 09: 45
    +14
    And never will be ...
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 24 February 2018 09: 49
      +60
      But Kuchma started this whole Sabbath with you .. We all remember! Are you trying to make excuses? Oh well..
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 24 February 2018 09: 54
        +24
        Quote: MIKHAN
        But Kuchma started this whole Sabbath with you .. We all remember! Are you trying to make excuses? Oh well..

        Withdrew from the tongue .. As soon as people lose power, they acquire a brain ..
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 24 February 2018 13: 08
          +9
          Quote: Svarog
          As soon as people lose power, they acquire a brain ..

          In addition to "our" Gorbach ... He still considers himself, well, you know who .. negative
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 24 February 2018 15: 05
            +9
            Repentance from this should not be expected .. Boris pretended to repent, but his wife Naina, the 90s considers saints .. Everyone needs to be judged .. But as long as there is continuity in power, this will never happen .. Everyone covers each other .. And this creates the irresponsibility of senior management .. Which we all observe ..
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 24 February 2018 10: 03
        +13
        Well, by the way, he successfully maneuvered himself between Russia and the West, even the official course of political Ukraine was called "multi-vector." Here the truth is not only his personal merit, but perhaps, first of all, the world situation allows this to be done.
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          1. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 24 February 2018 10: 33
            +19
            Kuchma: Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state
            - Honored, finally! Kuchma was not a bad manager, but a politician ... "Ukraine is not Russia!" - the first (!) blinked, and rolled ... And now, he softened, a la Gorbachev ... And how they were overlooked in the USSR, nedodumkov!
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 24 February 2018 12: 24
              +6
              Yes, I also manager, Yuzhmash say ditched. But the politician was just the same difficult. To begin with, he was the only one who relatively quietly spent 2 terms in his chair (I would like to give special greetings to people who are talking about the need for a power shift, look at Ukraine for a prime, everything with change is okay, with everything else like- it’s not very). They laughed at Ukraine-non-Russia, but didn’t this statement become obvious to everyone now? Well and still he managed to at least not quarrel either with Russia or with the back of the West, or with big things or with any East European trifle. That's what and why he threw out at the end of his term - it is not entirely clear.
              1. oldseaman1957
                oldseaman1957 24 February 2018 12: 32
                +10
                Quote: alexmach
                They laughed at Ukraine-non-Russia,
                - Ukrainians laughed at us, counting for free nerds feeding them. gas was almost two times cheaper than ours. "TU-160" did not allow the amers to cut everything, since Russia just gave them for gas, and not pay it was FAVORABLE! And here "smart Kuchma writes:" Russians live more “according to concepts," while Ukrainians mostly prefer law and order. (Especially now!) "" If Khmelnitsky is a symbol of the continuity of Ukrainian statehood from Kievan Rus to the present, then Mazepa represents for us an Alternative (!!!) "And now this tricky singing miracle teaches us to pick a finger in our nose!
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 24 February 2018 15: 57
                  +3
                  gas was almost two times cheaper than ours

                  This has never happened before.
                  And here "smart Kuchma writes:" Russians live more "according to concepts"

                  And damn it, really. Yes, a national trait.
                  while the majority of Ukrainians prefer law and order. (Especially now!) "

                  Well this is pulling an owl on a globe. Judging by this indicator, the Ukrainians are still more Russian than the Russians themselves ...

                  But in general I will see you a great connoisseur of his writings? So, what you need to understand is that he didn’t write it personally, and not quite on his own behalf. This book was written primarily by Ukrainian elites and yes, this is their main message.
                  1. ecologer
                    ecologer 24 February 2018 19: 45
                    0
                    Under Yanukovych, gas was subsidized for the population and was cheaper for the population in Ukraine than in Russia, the budget suffered real losses. Now Lafa is over.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 24 February 2018 19: 52
                      +1
                      Yeah, you only forget whose budget is the budget of Ukraine. Gas was dated at the expense of own production and revenues from transit and loans from state banks and direct injections from the budget. As a result, gas prices were real, maybe even cheap for Ukraine and not beyond space.
                      1. Graz
                        Graz 26 February 2018 00: 44
                        +1
                        Well, what do you say to me when gas for foreigners was somewhere around $ 160 for 1000 cubic meters for Ukraine, it was sold for 50 bucks, I remember all that very well
          2. Axon
            Axon 24 February 2018 18: 38
            0
            looking from the couch, that's how it happens)))
        2. Gato
          Gato 24 February 2018 12: 21
          0
          That is yes. Then Ukraine was a more or less but normal country.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 24 February 2018 10: 09
        +11
        MIKHAN hi
        But Kuchma started this whole Sabbath with you
        Not from him. Before. Kravchuk. That's where the practical beginning is. Although if you philosophize about this, you can go much deeper in time.
        1. kpd
          kpd 24 February 2018 12: 56
          +2
          The Sabbath began precisely with the connivance of Kuchma - they would have dispersed the first Maidan in 2004, maybe it would not have reached the current situation.
      4. Turkestan
        Turkestan 24 February 2018 10: 19
        +18
        Let me disagree. It started much earlier. When the leaders of the USSR decided not to stir up the past, for the sake of the friendship of peoples and to release the Nazi accomplices. And as a result, now they are being repressed and no one is telling what they did during the years of the Second World War.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 24 February 2018 11: 09
          +16
          Quote: Turkestan
          It started much earlier. When the leaders of the USSR decided not to stir up the past, for the sake of the friendship of peoples and to release the Nazi accomplices. And as a result, now they are being repressed and no one is telling what they did during the years of the Second World War.

          And it began when the Ukrainian Khrushchev came to the supreme party power in the USSR and, according to his populist political initiative, opposed himself to Stalin!
          1. Antares
            Antares 24 February 2018 11: 46
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            Ukrainian Khrushchev

            Kursk region tse Ukraine? laughing
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 February 2018 12: 11
              +9
              Quote: Antares
              Kursk region tse Ukraine?

              First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine
              Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR
              Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR
              The first secretary of the Kiev regional committee of the CPSU (b)
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 24 February 2018 12: 11
              +6
              And where is the Kursk region with the execution of hopak Khrushchev at Stalin's parties?
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 24 February 2018 12: 31
                +5
                Quote: Tatiana
                And where is the Kursk region with the execution of hopak Khrushchev at Stalin's parties?

                According to this logic, if I was born in Kazakhstan, it means Kazakh ...
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 24 February 2018 13: 11
                  0
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  According to this logic, if I was born in Kazakhstan, it means Kazakh ...

                  If you destroyed thousands of Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, and then to whitewash yourself, you would also become a Kazakh wink
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 February 2018 15: 57
                    +2
                    and he only destroyed the Ukrainians there?
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 24 February 2018 16: 35
                      0
                      Of course not only, I figuratively wrote hi
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 February 2018 17: 02
                        +2
                        then select images more precisely
      5. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 24 February 2018 10: 31
        +8
        Kuchma: "Ukraine has never been a state in the full sense of the word, .."
        “Ukraine is not Russia” is a book of the second President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, published in 2003.
      6. loginovich
        loginovich 24 February 2018 11: 09
        +1
        It all started with Kravchuk.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 24 February 2018 12: 12
          +5
          Quote: loginovich
          It all started with Kravchuk.

          it all started with the XX Congress of the CPSU
      7. Gato
        Gato 24 February 2018 12: 19
        +4
        Remember and do not forget. And we also remember Yeltsin. And hunchback
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      9. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 24 February 2018 12: 56
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        But Kuchma started this whole Sabbath with you .. We all remember! Are you trying to make excuses? Oh well..

        Before him there was still a "faithful Leninist" who headed the ideology in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, "cunning fox". Kravchuk. And then the party organizer of the Kuchma missile plant came to power, promising the people to "be friends with Russia." He quickly turned the professor-professor, and then the billionaire, his son-in-law, Jew Pinchuk. Then there was the book "Russia is not Ukraine" and other treason .
      10. sergevonsohrn
        sergevonsohrn 24 February 2018 13: 14
        +2
        exactly! if Kuchma showed firmness and did not allow the illegal transfer of power to Nazi Yushchenko’s “orange svre”, then the history of Ukraine could have gone quite differently .... and so, he “washed his hands” like Pontius Pontius! and now he "has seen" ....
        1. vasya.pupkin
          vasya.pupkin 25 February 2018 13: 24
          +1
          Quote: sergevonsohrn
          exactly! if Kuchma showed firmness and did not allow the illegal transfer of power to Nazi Yushchenko’s “orange svre”, then the history of Ukraine could have gone quite differently .... and so, he “washed his hands” like Pontius Pontius! and now he "has seen" ....

          the "heap" could not "show firmness," because Already then he was on the hook of the CIA, and Yushchenko was brought to power by “faithful Leninists” Simonenko, who added the missing voice to orange for canceling the 2nd round of elections due to “numerous violations” and this gave rise to the 3rd round
          which is not foreseen. the constitution.
      11. Fox
        Fox 24 February 2018 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        But Kuchma started this whole Sabbath with you

        he’s like Gorbachev, now he’s “laying straw” so that the devils wouldn’t fry so ...
      12. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 February 2018 21: 37
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        But Kuchma started this whole Sabbath with you .. We all remember! Trying to make excuses? Oh well.

        Right. And ask him what now Ukraine is not Russia ? Once again, the air decided to change hands, the marketmaker.
      13. amr
        amr 25 February 2018 11: 40
        0
        Under Kuchma, Ukraine had a frantic growth rate, about 14-16%, it was called the Ukrainian economic miracle, steeper than China and Japan ....
        ..... but the truth came the year 2004 and Yushchenko came, and then the tragedian began!
        By the way, I went to this election and voted for Yushchenko ((((after that I don’t go to the polls and probably will never go to this circus!
        We are called there only to have the legitimacy of power, but the elections themselves do not solve anything!
    2. Titsen
      Titsen 24 February 2018 09: 51
      +1
      Quote: Ravik
      And never will be ...


      And he came to his senses only now, after so many years as he himself had ruined everything!

      Kosyachnik how dill will be? Tell me!
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 February 2018 09: 52
        +5
        Quote: Titsen
        Kosyachnik how dill will be?

        Zradnik
    3. svp67
      svp67 24 February 2018 09: 58
      +1
      Quote: Ravik
      And never will be ...

      And here is a lot of interesting things ... it seems that the West decided to divide Ukraine and surrender its eastern part to us. Otherwise, the information that I learned yesterday I can not understand. According to recent reports, the main thing is that the overwhelming destruction of enterprises is taking place precisely in the eastern half of Ukraine, but new industries are being created, most of them in the Western ...
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 24 February 2018 12: 03
        +2
        svp67
        It seems the West decided to divide Ukraine and surrender its eastern part to us.
        No, it is not!
        According to recent reports, the main thing is that the overwhelming destruction of enterprises is happening in the eastern half of Ukraine, but new enterprises are being created, most of them in the Western ...
        There is a reason for this, which was already written in the article on VO from 26 of June 2014 of the year "What problem does America solve?" - https://topwar.ru/52987-kakuyu-zadachu-reshaet-am
        erika.html
        The whole thing MUCH rests on the presence in the South-East of Ukraine of the Yuzovskoye gas field, which is located under Slavyansk itself, under the cities of the DPR and LPR and in shale projects for its production by US-European firms.
        On the one hand, in places where shale gas was extracted - in the USA, as well as in Ukraine already - water becomes completely unsuitable for drinking and watering. In it, harmful impurities exceed biological norms in 50 and more than once. Drinking water from the tap flashes if you bring a match to it. The territory is becoming disastrously ecologically unsuitable for people to live and farm. It completely falls out of circulation for the reproduction of people, animals, plants. The question is how many years? It is believed that 100 years after the cessation of gas production, and maybe more, will not be enough to restore the environment naturally.
        Therefore, in the production of shale gas work in shifts. Local residents are not allowed to mining because of the fear of the owners of the sabotage production by the local population.
        And on the other hand, the article made an analytical conclusion-forecast for Ukraine from 7 points. I will try out of them only the first 3.
        And you yourself can see how accurate this forecast was.
        1. The ethnic conflict in Ukraine was provoked by the USA and the EU countries for the physical destruction of people in the areas of production by the Americans and the Poles of shale gas. The Russian population has nothing to do with it. People of other nationalities would live here, find fault with people of other nationalities. The peoples of Ukraine would be divided, if not by language, then by eyes, ears, etc.
        2. Paying Ukraine and the Ukrainians any compensation for the fact that part of their territory as a result of the parasitism of Americans and other foreigners in Ukraine falls into an environmental disaster and in fact simply falls out of the places where people live, no one is going to and will not.
        3. In order to reduce the degree of future social problems in Ukraine and to “observe” the future in the future, in the eyes of the world community, Americans, who own the lion's share of the shale business in Ukraine, are interested in completely destroying the entire population in Slavyansk and its surrounding areas. settlements. And it will be completely destroyed by military means, including women and children according to the principle “There is no person - and there are no problems!”
        Therefore, for the sake of the prosperity of American business in Ukraine, the city of Slavyansk, as well as all cities and towns above the Yuzovsky gas field and near it, according to the plans of the Americans, should be wiped off the face of the Earth by the National Army of Ukraine. What is being done. Any political negotiations on how to stop the bloodshed will be futile. And the agreement on them from the United States and the like is just a bluff.

        See - https://topwar.ru/52987-kakuyu-zadachu-reshaet-am
        erika.html
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 February 2018 12: 09
          0
          Quote: Tatiana
          The whole thing is REPAIRED by the presence in the Southeast of Ukraine of the Yuzovsky gas field,
          Even if you take your version as a basis, then why are factories in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye destroyed? From them to Yuzovka far enough
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 24 February 2018 12: 41
            +1
            svp67
            Why are factories in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye destroyed? From them to Yuzovka far enough
            FIRST. Well, At first, the colonialist scheme has so far remained the same as always. Colonies are needed by the capitalist invaders: 1) to expand their markets for the sale of their products; 2) to capture new territories with their natural wealth from sovereign peoples and states, 3) to obtain cheap - slave - labor.
            SECOND. Need to know which new industries are being built there? What is their strategic purpose7
            However now - this is secondly humanity enters the post-capitalist (i.e., after classical capitalism) era - the so-called "digital era" with its robotics and robotics.
            Therefore, in post-capitalism, the first two points remain relevant for those in power, but the labor force becomes too big for them in the form of the so-called "extra people", which, in their opinion, should be disposed of by those in power.
            In this regard, the Ukrainian Zionist Igor Berkut spoke very openly. By the way, his statement applies to the Russians.

            5 of millions of inhabitants will be enough for Ukraine, the rest will be utilized by Igor Berkut. Published: 1 Oct. 2014
            1. karish
              karish 24 February 2018 12: 55
              0
              Quote: Tatiana
              In this regard, the Ukrainian Zionist Igor Berkut spoke very openly. By the way, his statement applies to the Russians.
              5 of millions of inhabitants will be enough for Ukraine, the rest will be utilized by Igor Berkut. Published: 1 Oct. 2014

              It’s a pity, up to 5 million will have to wait a long time
              angry
              42 million people, natural decline - 0.39%
              So we will not build our new Kaganate. angry
              Although in the global governance of the world by us, Ukraine is a small screw, but even as little things as possible are scattered about trifles - a shekel penny is saved.
              wink
              What are we talking about Russia there?
              Is there anything new?
              1. svp67
                svp67 25 February 2018 05: 04
                +1
                Quote: karish
                42 million people

                What kind of 42 million are you talking about. There is such a “bread index” when, based on the consumption of bread, we can conclude about the number of people living in a given area, without making calculations. So, according to this index, the population of Ukraine ranges from 26 to 35 million, in different periods, but does not exceed 35 million. And this is starting in 2014.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 24 February 2018 10: 22
      0
      Kuchma himself knows what he built. Here he will not lie. winked
      1. Gato
        Gato 24 February 2018 12: 23
        0
        There is an impression that right now he is tearing his hair in all inaccessible places
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 February 2018 11: 29
      +2
      this is when it’s not fate ..... a vivid illustration of under-state. they have been told about this for a long time in VO, current horses did not believe us, so their crest told them the same thing.
    6. Vend
      Vend 26 February 2018 09: 21
      0
      Quote: Ravik
      And never will be ...

      With such a first president laying the foundations of Ukrainian statehood, of course not.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 24 February 2018 09: 45
    +3
    And is he still alive !? And not even in the Peacemaker?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 24 February 2018 09: 51
      +3
      It reached Kuchma at last. Well, better sooner rather than later ... He is not just alive - he heads the delegation at the talks in Minsk. Apparently everything was explained there. hi
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 24 February 2018 10: 22
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      And not even in Peacemaker?

      Dmitry with the fortune of 1,5 billion Baku presidents in the Peacemaker club is not accepted!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 February 2018 11: 02
        0
        It’s a pity. The site would fix its financial affairs .. lol
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: 210ox
        And not even in Peacemaker?

        Dmitry with the fortune of 1,5 billion Baku presidents in the Peacemaker club is not accepted!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 February 2018 11: 27
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          The site would fix its financial affairs

          laughing My friend, yes ktozh it will allow him ????
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 24 February 2018 12: 53
        +5
        Sergey, hi , count more family grandmothers - the son-in-law of his cunning Jew Pinchuk should also be counted. So there will be more.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 February 2018 13: 19
          +1
          hi Hi Lesh!
          laughing Lesh, the most interesting thing is that the Ukrainian Kuchma turned out to be trickier than the “Ukrainian” Kolomoisky! And he stayed with grandmas and doesn’t run on the run! bully
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 24 February 2018 14: 57
            +9
            And because in the assistants of Kuchma "a real broad Ukrainian Pinchuk." Reminds of “real Russians” Aven, Friedman, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Abramovich.
  3. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 24 February 2018 09: 48
    +8
    We all looked forward to the Munich Conference. However, Ukraine was generally on the outskirts. Supposedly we do not exist there. If the president had not gone there and did not remind us that we are on the European map, so surely we would have forgotten. That's what scary. And we need to think about it
    What is his high opinion of Ukraine - in the backyards, but in fact - in a latrine, and which of the cultural people recalls this place during an intelligent conversation?
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 24 February 2018 09: 49
    +11
    For the hundredth time, a political prostitute changes her mind as a weather vane spins! Forgot that being in power grabbed well, and lived off the blackmail of Europe and Russia with threats to block the pipe?
  5. Alex ..
    Alex .. 24 February 2018 09: 54
    +14
    The sad fate of those peoples, where freaks are honored as heroes ...
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 February 2018 11: 30
      +2
      We must remember, I liked it. Direct about Ukrainians better and can not be said.
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 24 February 2018 09: 56
    +3
    This professional beggar has always sought to “milk” his neighbors. You can recall his contented “face” when the Russian president painfully reprimanded the “restructuring” of Ukrainian gas debts. ...
    “If the president hadn’t gone there and reminded that we are on the European map, we probably would have forgotten. That's what’s scary.”
    And in relation to Donbass and Russia, this person is no less "evil" than the site "Peacemaker" itself.
    "We need not to do what we were doing - we were trying to persuade the other side (Russia), but there had to be tough, clear measures and that side would understand perfectly well that the games were over."
  7. maxxavto
    maxxavto 24 February 2018 09: 57
    +2
    It took over 20 years to understand this !!! Now we are waiting for understanding that in Ukraine the rampant Nazism-a hangover will be tough !!!
  8. Troll
    Troll 24 February 2018 10: 02
    +6
    And the source of the collapse of Ukraine was personally Comrade. Kuchma. After all, it was he who received in administration one of the fattest fragments of the empire ..
    I’d apologize, you shit.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 24 February 2018 10: 04
    +18
    I remember this leader when he was the secretary of the party committee of one of the enterprises. Then he tried to entertain me during lunch with the Minister when I arrived with the Minister. I asked the Minister: "Who is this man." Pyotr Stepanovich answered very colorfully.
    In Ukraine, 9 enterprises and research institutes were subordinate to me; more than 90 thousand specialists worked there. There are no such enterprises, only one managed to escape to Russia. And how we trained the Ukrainians! How to create new production (micro and nano technology, automatic. Workshops, sections and GAPy). Everything went to dust. What the Russian Federation invested in this republic was lost. I am sorry Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov. But I do not regret Khmelnytsky and Lviv, these two regions were hostile to Russia even then. Admire labeled and drunk with your labors. I have the honor.
    1. Antares
      Antares 24 February 2018 11: 49
      0
      Quote: midshipman
      What the Russian Federation invested in this republic was lost.

      RF or RFSR? Or the USSR?
      They began to invest in these lands under the king. It was beneficial (well, when the order, and not the "victory of democracy over reason" A good combination of climate, geolocation
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 24 February 2018 12: 56
        +5
        What climate, ignoramus? And in the Urals, a lot of enterprises and research institutes are depressed? They tried to develop you, to replace selyukostvo. Due to the welfare of the population of Russia, the RSFSR if you want.
      2. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 25 February 2018 13: 33
        +1
        Antares: was the pan-sumer sumer worried about the “climate”? You go to the Carpathians and see what your brothers turned the relict forests into. Why don't you notice the whole compounds with black soil that has been created for centuries. "Pot calls the kettle black..."
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  11. Vard
    Vard 24 February 2018 10: 05
    +3
    It seems that it has begun ... A decision has been made to divide Ukraine and liquidate it as a state ... Well, what kind of dust is it ... again, a crowd of parasites on our heads ... and you won’t send ... "Brothers Slavs"
    1. zivXP
      zivXP 24 February 2018 10: 21
      +1
      You can help, but only fishing rods. For rent. Do not give fish.
      1. just exp
        just exp 24 February 2018 12: 07
        0
        so they will be the first to ask the business of the fish, for as long as they say something for fishing, half of the population will glue fins from hunger.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 February 2018 10: 18
    +9
    The unsuccessful Bolshevik project "Ukraine" must be CLOSED. In the framework of decommunization.
    The only question is when ...
  13. andrson
    andrson 24 February 2018 10: 22
    0
    These guys know how to arrange problems for themselves ..
  14. New Year day
    New Year day 24 February 2018 10: 26
    +4
    and Kuchma is the main culprit. With his submission, "Ukraine is not Russia," the creep of nationalism into the world began. With his participation, nationalists began to appear on television. Now he sprinkles ashes on his head.
  15. taiga2018
    taiga2018 24 February 2018 10: 30
    +2
    artificially created cannot be full-fledged ... this time! and a people who cannot figure out their origin and find roots even in Sumerians cannot create a full-fledged state ... these are two!
  16. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 24 February 2018 10: 35
    +1
    Kuchma is one of the founders of the current disagreement and the actual collapse of statehood and the loss of controllability. Kuchma, one of the first guides to secede from Russia, even wrote a book, a fool, in substantiating the independence of the ukrocheloveka.
  17. Turkestan
    Turkestan 24 February 2018 10: 42
    +2
    In the entire history of the tragedy of today's Ukraine, this terry nationalism. And the reason for this is the criminally poor cadre work of the leaders of the Communist Party of the USSR who made the notorious nationalists who hate the Soviet regime and the Soviet state to control the republics. DO YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR STATES? DO NOT USE MONONATIONAL IDEOLOGY IN STATE MANAGEMENT, this always leads to ethnic conflicts. Confirmation of my words is this current situation of the once flourishing Ukraine.
  18. Victor_B
    Victor_B 24 February 2018 10: 47
    +2
    Started to suspect something?
    Soon, very soon, the Vigilant Falcon will finally see that there is no outer wall in his cell.
  19. - = ANTRAX = -
    - = ANTRAX = - 24 February 2018 10: 50
    0
    there is the same opinion about all the former republics. they were parasites.
  20. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 February 2018 10: 59
    0
    "the deputies of the Rada and the power elite have led the country to this state of affairs," as it is. But let's be honest: always the people and the elite live in parallel worlds
  21. Michael_Zverev
    Michael_Zverev 24 February 2018 11: 00
    +1
    She was not an inferior state either.
  22. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 24 February 2018 11: 06
    0
    Captain obvious laughing
  23. soldier
    soldier 24 February 2018 11: 22
    +16
    Just like Kuchma was not a full president
  24. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 24 February 2018 11: 25
    0
    So a hedgehog is clear - Ukraine is not Russia ©
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  26. Dormidont
    Dormidont 24 February 2018 11: 33
    +1
    How to suddenly hear this from this bunch of shit
  27. jovanni
    jovanni 24 February 2018 11: 38
    0
    The politician is sure that the deputies of the Rada and the ruling elite led the country to such a state of affairs. At the same time, Kuchma noted that today politicians are preparing for the upcoming presidential and parliamentary elections, forgetting about the living conditions of the population and the state of the national economy.

    And what is it? I forgot how I spread rot, how I sold the wealth created in the Soviet era, how I torn it from meat from Russia? And now, on their own fosterlings, the arrows translate ...
  28. demo
    demo 24 February 2018 11: 44
    +1
    We all looked forward to the Munich Conference. However, Ukraine was generally on the outskirts. Supposedly we do not exist there. If the president had not gone there and did not remind us that we are on the European map, so surely we would have forgotten. That's what scary. And we need to think about it
    - declared Kuchma.

    It was necessary to think earlier.
    And now it’s necessary either to seek funds for a ticket to the “safe haven” or to look for a place in the nearest cemetery.
  29. Antares
    Antares 24 February 2018 11: 53
    0
    On the one hand, Kuchma is one of the “successors” with whom it all began.
    On the other hand, it was under him that the largest growth of the Ukrainian economy was recorded. He laid the foundation for the tradition of "Maidan in the center of Kiev." How to get rid of this tradition now is hard to say.
    As a politician, the man is ambiguous, but better than Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Kravchuk, etc.
  30. Wolka
    Wolka 24 February 2018 12: 05
    +1
    and who did not allow Kuchma to build a bright future for his country when he was the president of Ukraine, and now, it’s too late to drink Borjomi when the liver has already disappeared ...
  31. Fidel
    Fidel 24 February 2018 12: 17
    +3
    Old sly-assed party organizer YuMZ change shoes in the air?))
  32. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 24 February 2018 12: 20
    +1
    Kuchma, download further! Heroam - fat! Fat to Ukraine! In general, your education has NEVER long lived. This is HISTORY, Mr. Kuchma! Former communist (allegedly), and now an ardent nationalist! laughing tongue wassat
  33. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 24 February 2018 12: 25
    0
    It’s as if Munich were distributing buns ...
  34. Lesorub
    Lesorub 24 February 2018 12: 30
    +1
    Former President Leonid Kuchma said that Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state, and the people of the country today are in a terrible situation.

    It’s good to sit and reason with good capital in a jar and with bread spread with red caviar - how ordinary Ukrainians live there, I don’t remember that Ukraine would flourish under Kuchma!
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 24 February 2018 13: 15
      +1
      And they live as they wanted. Check out the street polls. Why was the Maidan? "People wanted to live differently .." Here they live. Someone supported, someone did not care. And absolutely everything is simple. And difficult ones are, in your opinion, which ones? With gold threads in the ass. And there they have them.
      Absolutely all the republics screamed that the country was being fed. And they won the war on Baku oil. All were offended, not gouged. And they wanted to live differently. And Khokhlohstadt and in a completely and generally different way. What jumped, then they have. Now let the pots with colander in scrap metal be handed over and galloped, galloped, galloped (mice when they freeze, tremble) - the movement warms and soothes the nerves.
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 24 February 2018 15: 21
        +1
        Quote: Siberian
        And they live as they wanted. View street polls

        Do you really believe in "street polls" that is, what the zombies show?
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 24 February 2018 16: 34
          +1
          I believe what is dropped on the Internet. Do you see something else? I saw financial and other bare-headed Maidans under the walls of ZRada, but the reaction to the cancellation on May 9, to mockery of the Russian language, for example, is very languid, tending to zero.
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 25 February 2018 17: 53
            +1
            Quote: Siberian
            I believe what is dropped on the Internet. Do you see something else? I saw financial and other bare-headed Maidans under the walls of ZRada, but the reaction to the cancellation on May 9, to mockery of the Russian language, for example, is very languid, tending to zero.

            Soon, the Chinese will hold a referendum in the Far East (on independence) - I think your reaction will be the same - they will cancel the same on May 9 and remove the Russian language, they will write well, the rest will not protest there))))))
            1. Siberian
              Siberian 26 February 2018 07: 53
              +1
              She lived in the Far East (Russian), there are many ethnic groups. Ukrainians (judging by the names), but the Chinese live in China and can host referendums about anything, I don’t mind
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 26 February 2018 09: 52
                +1
                Quote: Siberian
                but the Chinese live in China

                Are you serious! )) Now there are more Chinese in the Khabarovsk region - probably more than Russians, and no one forbids them to go there to live and work), and even the Chinese renting a part of the territory will obviously not end well.
                So are Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. once considered one country, but over time, the Russian Federation recognized their independence!
  35. EvilLion
    EvilLion 24 February 2018 12: 36
    0
    And when he directed him, did he not know this?
  36. Proton
    Proton 24 February 2018 13: 06
    +2
    How to grab money, soviet to eat yes with pots on your head to jump, so the state of ancient ukrov, and how long it is time to pay debts, so immediately they were never a state wassat right now a little later the creep crawl help.
  37. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 February 2018 13: 24
    +2
    deputies of the Rada and the power elite led the country to this state of affairs.

    And Kuchma did such a white and fluffy for the benefit of this "country", but drove the devils away, did not give help to the "country" lol
  38. Ivan.A
    Ivan.A 24 February 2018 14: 01
    +1
    The politician is sure that the deputies of the Rada and the power elite led the country to this state of affairs.

    All this is very strange and suspicious. Hey, you don’t confuse Kuchma, Putin is always to blame, but here .....
  39. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 February 2018 14: 40
    +1
    Kuchma has a business, in Ukraine ... He senses what everything is going to and tries to save it! Are you trying to secure Kuchma’s sons and granddaughters ..? bully Let Australia run to Canada .. I don’t advise to Israel! (Only quietly ..)))
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  41. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 February 2018 18: 11
    0
    Kuchma: Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state

    Ah, well done. While taxied, Ruin is a state, and then the situation ...
    Who are you moving, Kuchma?
  42. APASUS
    APASUS 24 February 2018 18: 33
    +1
    Why pull out this mold covered with mold and serve this material as a sensational insight? After all, everyone who was at the helm of Ukraine, everyone contributed to the destruction of the state, to the destruction of national principles and the confrontation between Russians and Ukrainians. They are all worthy of a scaffold and they are once again promoted as experts !!
    Remind me where it started:

  43. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 24 February 2018 18: 40
    +1
    Danilych already entered on the site "Peacemaker"?
  44. Domestic cat
    Domestic cat 24 February 2018 19: 45
    +1
    Quote: Fidel
    Old sly-assed party organizer YuMZ change shoes in the air?))

    He changed his shoes so many times that he began to wear shoes from different pairs.
  45. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 24 February 2018 20: 31
    +1
    Quote: Antares
    On the one hand, Kuchma is one of the “successors” with whom it all began.
    On the other hand, it was under him that the largest growth of the Ukrainian economy was recorded. He laid the foundation for the tradition of "Maidan in the center of Kiev." How to get rid of this tradition now is hard to say.
    As a politician, the man is ambiguous, but better than Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Kravchuk, etc.
    Kuchma is no better than Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Kravchuk. The fact that during his growth was a merit in the first place Borki-drunk who steered Russia
  46. faterdom
    faterdom 24 February 2018 20: 50
    +2
    Progress, however ... Slow, but progress.
    "Ukraine is not Russia" - 2003.
    Ukraine is not a state - 2018.
    Ukraine la la la - what year? Neither Kuchma nor Ukraine can stand another 15 years, so let them realize it faster.
  47. weddu
    weddu 24 February 2018 22: 11
    +1
    For Ukraine to become like Germany, it is necessary that Ukrainians leave Ukraine, and the Germans come there, using the remnants of both maids and plumbers. What is actually happening now, without war.
    Relocate all the people of Ukraine to Germany, and all the people of Germany to Ukraine, and in 5 years Ukraine will become Germany, and Germany Ukraine. Because the Germans are not Sumerian horses, the Germans are a breed.
  48. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 February 2018 04: 07
    +1
    This is the dude who wrote "Ukraine is not Russia"?
    Well, let him now clearly see this.
    As time has shown, Ukraine is not a country at all.
  49. loha
    loha 25 February 2018 14: 55
    +1
    Conclusions ..... Leonid Kuchma said he was never a full president
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 25 February 2018 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: loha
      Conclusions ..... Leonid Kuchma said he was never a full president

      Yes, they are all there of the same field of berries ...
  50. alexmach
    alexmach 26 February 2018 09: 44
    +1
    Graz,
    This is you talking some nonsense
    gas was almost two times cheaper than ours

    Under Yanukovych, gas was subsidized for the population and was cheaper for the population in Ukraine than in Russia

    What are you saying? is it cheaper than the Rosiyan, or is it cheaper than the Europeans?

    And the fact that this gas was once imposed by force instead of an even cheaper Turkmen gas simply by "crouching" on the pipe?