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Communist Party proposed to return to the Criminal Code "full norm" on confiscation

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The deputies of the Communist Party faction, headed by Gennady Zyuganov, submitted to the State Duma a bill that proposes to return the use of confiscation of property in criminal law as an additional punishment, as was the case under Soviet rule.


Communists propose the use of confiscation of property as an additional penalty for serious and especially serious crimes.

Communist Party proposed to return to the Criminal Code "full norm" on confiscation


In the explanatory note, they indicate that the possibility of using the confiscation of property as an additional form of criminal punishment operated in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and in the modern Criminal Code until December 2003 of the year.

In 2006, confiscation of property was returned to the Criminal Code, not as a form of additional punishment, but as “another criminal law measure”, which can be applied to a limited extent, mainly only in relation to property received by a convicted person as a result of a crime, as well as tools and means of committing a crime.

It is proposed to return the possibility of seizure of personal property of the perpetrator, including that which does not relate to a specific crime.

Simultaneously, the Communists propose to maintain the current rules on the confiscation of property obtained as a result of the commission of crimes.

They propose to apply the current confiscation rules only if for a specific crime the Criminal Code does not provide for confiscation as a measure of criminal punishment, Interfax reports
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  1. Anarchist
    Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 25
    +40
    It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!
    The only question that interests you is how will this law be applied? I would not want the "chips flying" yes, "forelocks cracked" ...
    1. Lieutenant Captain
      Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 16: 29
      +38
      Quote: Anarchist
      It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!

      Everything is correct, only such a law will never be accepted by the bucket, never.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 31
        +47
        Quote: Lieutenant Captain
        only in the bucket will such a law never be accepted, never.

        yeah, problem
        1. kit88
          kit88 21 February 2018 16: 58
          +22
          Yes you people!
          Elections! The usual PR-stuffing that people want to hear. Everyone understands that they will never accept such amendments. What is there to discuss and be on it.
          Bees against honey.
          1. Esoteric
            Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 08
            +11
            Quote: kit88
            Bees against honey.

            Yes, yes ... it’s against honey. There is a candidate in the program - to accept article 20 of the International Convention for the Suppression of Corruption, which echoes this proposal ... yes
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 21 February 2018 17: 09
            +6
            Quote: kit88
            Yes you people!

            so at least keep warm!
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 22 February 2018 09: 45
          0
          I have a problem too !!!! Under capitalism, this is the norm. Why are you complaining ?! Why scold the authorities ?! This is just capitalism. With him, there is no other way. Or are you a victim of liberal ignorance of the basics ?! Then I feel sorry for you, improve your education. At least read the idol of the liberals, Adam Smith and Dunning, everything is described there clearly, what capitalism is. There’s nothing to say about Marx and Lenin, but I’m afraid not to overpower with your shum.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2018 10: 09
            0
            Quote: AKuzenka
            I have a problem too !!!! Under capitalism, this is the norm. Why are you complaining ?! Why scold the authorities ?! This is just capitalism. With him, there is no other way. Or are you a victim of liberal ignorance of the basics ?! Then I feel sorry for you, improve your education. At least read the idol of the liberals, Adam Smith and Dunning, everything is described there clearly, what capitalism is. There’s nothing to say about Marx and Lenin, but I’m afraid not to overpower with your shum.

            Well, have you mastered the works of the classics and? It is clear that your "tyam" is larger and deeper than our "tyam" and? What's next? Possessing such a (!) “Chum” you should, in theory, offer something concrete. AND? Where are the offers overloaded with "cham"?
      2. Looking Petrovich
        Looking Petrovich 21 February 2018 16: 32
        +26
        Quote: Captain of the Lieutenants
        Quote: Anarchist
        It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!

        Everything is correct, only such a law will never be accepted by the bucket, never.

        Right Although there are all thieves: as you know, parliament in any country is a bunch of villains, idiots, thieves and perverts.
      3. maxim947
        maxim947 21 February 2018 16: 33
        +24
        Confiscate and give everything to orphans.

        K.K. Rokossovsky - Marshal of the Soviet Union and Twice Hero was a man of a wide soul, a lover of women. Immediately after the war, he built himself a good summer cottage. And he invited all the Politburo and the General Staff to a housewarming party ... Stalin also arrived. We walked all night, remembered the war, sang songs. In the morning, when parting, Stalin said to him:
        - Thank you so much, good Orphanage you built comrade Rokossovsky.
        The house was transferred to the children ...

        1. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 21 February 2018 20: 06
          +3
          K.K. Rokossovsky - Marshal of the Soviet Union and Twice Hero was a man of a wide soul, a lover of women. Immediately after the war, he built himself a good summer cottage. And he invited all the Politburo and the General Staff to a housewarming party ... Stalin also arrived. We walked all night, remembered the war, sang songs. In the morning, when parting, Stalin said to him:
          - Thank you very much, you built a good orphanage. Rokossovsky.
          The house was transferred to the children ...


          Proof is possible, otherwise it smacks of a fan. Such stories with Stalin’s participation can be read in abundance on the Memoirist’s govresource, so proofs are not accepted from there.
          1. Tochilka
            Tochilka 21 February 2018 20: 19
            +3
            stuffing is. just turn on the logic. The dacha is the place where one family will live (maximum 10 people), and the orphanage is an institution of a completely different type and another providing the same toilets and showers ... it's easy to figure it out.
          2. maxim947
            maxim947 21 February 2018 20: 21
            +2
            If necessary, look for it yourself, I don’t pretend to a historical fact with Rokosovsky, just a good idea. But the real cases of the transfer of "such" houses to children in the postwar period - a lot.
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 21 February 2018 21: 56
              +1
              Quote: maxim947
              just a good idea.

              The idea is stupid. And I as a person related to the design of buildings fully confirm the above -
              Quote: Tochilka
              The dacha is the place where one family will live (maximum 10 people), and the orphanage is an institution of a completely different type and another providing the same toilets and showers ...

              And not only toilets and showers but also a lot more than that.
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 22 February 2018 06: 58
                0
                It’s not about the fact that everything is transferred specifically to orphanages, it’s about the campaign itself. And there are many options, you can sell, there are still large families, etc. The bottom line is that someone has stolen and fattened, but there are still socially vulnerable citizens.
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 22 February 2018 09: 48
          0
          The bike goes about various figures of the USSR. So lies.
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2018 10: 19
          0
          Quote: maxim947
          Confiscate and give everything to orphans.

          K.K. Rokossovsky - Marshal of the Soviet Union and Twice Hero was a man of a wide soul, a lover of women. Immediately after the war, he built himself a good summer cottage. And he invited all the Politburo and the General Staff to a housewarming party ... Stalin also arrived. We walked all night, remembered the war, sang songs. In the morning, when parting, Stalin said to him:
          - Thank you so much, good Orphanage you built comrade Rokossovsky.
          The house was transferred to the children ...

          A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows.
      4. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 21 February 2018 16: 39
        +14
        dead number, but at least an attempt, when a ride, the main thing is that they should not be forgotten about “talented” wives and other relatives repeat
      5. dorz
        dorz 21 February 2018 16: 43
        0
        Quote: Anarchist
        It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!
        The only question that interests you is how will this law be applied? I would not want the "chips flying" yes, "forelocks cracked" ...

        Corruption is a crime of moderate severity, calm down, thieves will not suffer.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 45
          +19
          Quote: dorz
          Corruption is a crime of moderate severity, calm down, thieves will not suffer.

          it's a pity. When the Union stole 50 thousand HSE and no problems!
      6. maxim947
        maxim947 21 February 2018 16: 53
        +10
        Everything is correct, only such a law will never be accepted by the bucket, never.

        The Communist Party itself will not accept such a law, a bunch of crooks and thieves)) populists h.enovy.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2018 10: 43
          0
          Quote: maxim947
          Everything is correct, only such a law will never be accepted by the bucket, never.

          The Communist Party itself will not accept such a law, a bunch of crooks and thieves)) populists h.enovy.

          You are right, no legislative body will adopt such a law. Whatever deputies you choose there. All honest candidates, being elected to any: city, regional, state. "DUMA", grouped in flocks (factions) and adopted by the laws themselves, protect their clan interests.
          There is only one way out. To achieve the right of the people to legislative initiative The law adopted by the people at the referendum is binding on all branches of government. The only restriction in the legislative activity of the people is the foreign policy of the state.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 21 February 2018 16: 31
      +20
      Quote: Anarchist
      It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back!

      Hello Sanya drinks hi Once upon a time repeat but again two but
      1. Why this has not been done before, and not before the election, as it is now, only for the sake of PR.
      2. Do you think this law will be passed in the Duma, where more than 300 votes by the bucket. what
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 36
        +10
        Hi, man! hi
        Now most likely - no, they won’t! But you need to prepare for the next election. And then so "naked" to go and we will! And the bellies in furs ...
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 21 February 2018 16: 50
          +18
          Quote: Anarchist
          But you need to prepare for the next election.

          Sanya hi that’s how it is, and what prevented you from tearing your ass off the couch and September 20, 2016, going to vote for the same Communist Party 60% of the population of our country, I understand my wife and mother went, you went, but this is a drop in the bucket, a protest ass fucking, well? A bucket of funerals for these protests and now blaming the mirror. And until the next election it’s far away. drinks
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 21 February 2018 17: 00
            +8
            Brother, I'm not talking about "voting", but about "for whom"! You need to move your people, it’s time to change the fiddling top, until the revolution comes. And then we won’t collect Russia, we don’t need anarchy!
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 21 February 2018 17: 12
              +8
              Quote: Anarchist
              You need to move your people

              Sanya, where can I get them? what Grudinin what you don’t know my style of campaigning or trolling candidates, but still I can’t understand how the communist Zyuganov and the monarchist Girkin put forward the oligarch belay With her, Stalin and Lenin would have been horrified by such a symbiosis, and the next day these gentlemen of the Belomorkanal would have been digging with might and main. yes Of course, there are those who are talented and able to work, who think about the country, and not about their stomach and pocket, but whoever gives them the move. request drinks
              1. Anarchist
                Anarchist 21 February 2018 17: 28
                +6
                I'm not talking about those who are! They are already those whom
                Quote: Anarchist
                it's time to change

                It's time to count on your own strength!
                1. 79807420129
                  79807420129 21 February 2018 18: 35
                  +5
                  Quote: Anarchist
                  It's time to count on your own strength

                  Here Brother, I am only FOR all arms and legs. good drinks As the song sang: -Nobody will bring us deliverance neither the king, nor the president and nor the hero, and so on. drinks
            2. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 21 February 2018 17: 38
              +3
              strange to hear it from the Anarchist (joke) laughing
            3. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 22 February 2018 09: 50
              0
              Have fun !!! Considerably.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 21 February 2018 17: 00
            +10
            Quote: 79807420129
            Quote: Anarchist
            But you need to prepare for the next election.

            Sanya hi that’s how it is, and what prevented you from tearing your ass off the couch and September 20, 2016, going to vote for the same Communist Party 60% of the population of our country, I understand my wife and mother went, you went, but this is a drop in the bucket, a protest ass fucking, well? A bucket of funerals for these protests and now blaming the mirror. And until the next election it’s far away. drinks

            Of course, why wait another 6 years .. We need to vote now for the Communists!
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 38
        +8
        Quote: 79807420129
        Do you think this law will be passed in the Duma, where more than 300 votes by the bucket


        these don't
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 21 February 2018 16: 36
      +22
      Quote: Anarchist
      It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!

      Who else would have moved the initiative to return the death penalty ... Well, I understand that they caved in before Europe - at first a moratorium, then completely canceled. But now what stump to curry favor? Moreover, according to various surveys, from 60 to 75% of the population support ... Yes, and the "most democratic country in the world" is poisoning and injecting ... We are barbarians, we are simpler - for thieves from the budget, pedophiles, maniacs, traitors to the motherland, the sentence should be one -
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 39
        +11
        It (the death penalty) does not need to be returned, but only a maratorium cannot be extended! And there will be “happiness” for them ...
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 February 2018 16: 48
          +11
          Quote: Anarchist
          It (the death penalty) does not need to be returned, but only a maratorium cannot be extended! And there will be “happiness” for them ...

          We HAD a moratorium, and canceled the GDP several years ago by its decree. The difference is that during a moratorium you can take out a tower - you can’t carry out. And now it’s impossible to endure - there is no such punishment from the word AT ALL .....
          I watched a big documentary about "Dolphin" and "Swan". Almost without exception, all “life-long” ones without hesitation say that they would choose to be shot if they could choose. We must be humane - even though they are not humans, but we are people. They ask - why not satisfy in such smallness .....
          And it’s unpleasant for me, as an honest taxpayer, to feed-contain all his remaining rotten life of some cannibal ...
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 54
            +7
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            feed-contain ... some cannibal

            They need to be placed in one cell, let each other contain! yes
      2. Lieutenant Captain
        Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 16: 45
        +5
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        for thieves from the budget, pedophiles, maniacs, traitors to the motherland, the sentence should be one -

        I bet in the methodology, like that in public
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 February 2018 16: 52
          +11
          Quote: Lieutenant Captain
          I bet in the methodology, like that in public

          We approve and support ... good Liberals and human rights activists may turn their backs, or they may turn into forests. And then, it’s not an hour, they will stand next to a stool - from them there will be as much harm to the country of harm as people from some kind of pedophile ...
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 21 February 2018 17: 06
        +10
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Who else would have taken the initiative to return the death penalty ..

        First you need an honest and not corrupt court .. Otherwise, they will impose the death penalty, but with judges like under the current capitalism, they will only shoot those who are not guilty .. and anyone with money will pay off ..
      4. Hey
        Hey 21 February 2018 17: 28
        +5
        Who else would have taken the initiative to return the death penalty ...

        Just Grudinin and supports the adoption of the norm of punishment as the death penalty. For serious crimes.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 February 2018 17: 39
          +8
          Quote: MUD
          Just Grudinin and supports the adoption of the norm of punishment as the death penalty. For serious crimes.

          here it turns out what a hitch!
          Grudinin - for the death penalty for serious crimes, Putin - for the amnesty of Vasilyeva, who grabbed so much that her mother did not grieve, and returned the same amount to her!
          Who to vote for?
          1. Hey
            Hey 21 February 2018 17: 54
            +9
            Who to vote for?

            I have already made a choice.
            The approach was simple.
            The death penalty
            Grudinin - for Putin against - I am for Grudinin
            Confiscation
            Communist Party and therefore Grudinin-for Putin against
            I'm for Grudinin
            20 tbsp. international corruption
            Grudinin - Putin is against, I am for Grudinin.
            Cancellation of coefficient 0.54 for military pensioners
            Grudinin - Putin is against, I am for Grudinin.
            DNR and LC
            Grudinin for joining, Putin against, I for Grudinin
            Nationalization of commodity and state-forming industries
            Grudinin - for, Putin against, I for Grudinin
            and so on and so forth.
            The choice is obvious.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 21 February 2018 18: 07
              +5
              Quote: MUD
              The choice is obvious.

              everything is logical!
            2. Metallurg_2
              Metallurg_2 21 February 2018 20: 15
              +2
              3,14 they’re all about the election. Realities generally show that word and deed are not the same thing.
              1. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 22 February 2018 02: 46
                0
                And who are you talking about? Who is in power now or who is just about to
                1. Metallurg_2
                  Metallurg_2 22 February 2018 11: 04
                  0
                  And who are you talking about? Who is in power now or who is just about to

                  But is this not the same person?
      5. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 22 February 2018 09: 51
        0
        There are such initiators, they even have it clearly stated in the party program.
    4. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 21 February 2018 16: 38
      +7
      Moreover, the confiscation of all the closest relatives of wives, children, father-in-law, mother-in-law, brothers, sisters ..... and be sure to "shoot" especially for treason, including embezzlement on an especially large scale, there is nothing to feed and contain parasites. You know how much the state costs the maintenance of life-sentenced prisoners ... more than 1 million rubles a year.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 22 February 2018 02: 50
        0
        Well then, we’ll remain completely without an elite. Although what for do we need such an elite?
    5. 210ox
      210ox 21 February 2018 16: 38
      +9
      Alexander hi The article is absolutely necessary. It just won’t go through. Property relations are different. Yes and EdRo will be against it ... It may concern them.
      Quote: Anarchist
      It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!
      The only question that interests you is how will this law be applied? I would not want the "chips flying" yes, "forelocks cracked" ...
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 42
        +13
        Quote: 210ox
        EdRo will be against .. It may touch them.

        It cannot, but it must! All governors and other officials accused of corruption are members of United (Corrupt) Russia. yes
    6. mari.inet
      mari.inet 21 February 2018 16: 42
      +8
      And chips will fly, and forelocks will begin to crack. If the Communist Party of the Russian Federation comes to power now, then a real revolution will break out, maybe not a hot, but ugly, predatory, thoughtless one. Indeed - in essence - we are facing a complete redistribution of power and capital. By simple resignations, peaceful nationalization, and orderly removal, the Communists will not be able to achieve their goals, they will not be able to get what they want.
      Well, the United States and the West will actively help them, in all seriousness. Silently wrecking the country from the inside. The West does not get used to deal with the Communists. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is predictable, as the CPSU used to be. But Zyuganov-Grudinin-this is not Putin. Wimps with bad Ponte.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 15
        +8
        I was interested in one continuation of the user - to limit the term of deputies to two terms. Although, there are other options. For example, that the lower house is not needed at all and it is time for the Council of Federations to reform. yes Officials - even a dime a dozen, and touch something, not one is responsible for anything. Even for the laws passed ... wassat
      2. Jack
        Jack 21 February 2018 17: 25
        +3
        For mari.inet. To yours: "... Well, the United States and the West will actively help them, in all seriousness. Quietly ruining the country from the inside ..." ******************* ***
        In the meantime, they help ruin the country to Putin and K.
    7. captain
      captain 21 February 2018 17: 05
      +1
      Quote: Anarchist
      It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!
      The only question that interests you is how will this law be applied? I would not want the "chips flying" yes, "forelocks cracked" ...

      Read the article carefully.
      "In 2006, the confiscation of property was returned to the Criminal Code, but not as a form of additional punishment, but as a" different measure of a criminal law nature ", which can be applied in a limited way, mainly only with respect to property obtained by the convicted person as a result of a crime, and also tools and means of crime. "
      T, e everything that is acquired by criminal means is confiscated.
      And the Communists, in addition, offer; "It is proposed to return the possibility of seizing the personal property of the perpetrator, including one that does not apply to a specific crime." That is, you can confiscate everything, including the house (apartment) and potatoes and your underpants. Even if some crime (for example, as a result of a traffic accident of your wife, several people died, God forbid, of course)) it was not you who committed the property, but your joint property. The proposals of the Communists talk about confiscation of property, as a measure of punishment, FOR ANY CRIME. That is, I am a judge and I am punishing your wife for an accident, for example, 7 years in prison, and also confiscation of all property, including joint property. Are you in favor of such an offer?
      1. Icarus
        Icarus 22 February 2018 00: 33
        +1
        In 2006, the confiscation of property was returned to the Criminal Code, but not as a form of additional punishment, but as a “different measure of a criminal law nature”, which can be applied in a limited way, mainly only with respect to property obtained by a convicted person as a result of a crime, as well as tools and means of crime. "
        T, e everything that is acquired by criminal means is confiscated.
        You are not right. Confiscation under the Criminal Code is not subject to "all that is acquired by criminal means", but only that property for which it was proved by the authorities that it was obtained as a result of a specific crime. For example, it was proved that the bribe taker received several bribes in the amount of 2 million, this amount should be confiscated, and for unproven bribes of 100 million it is impossible to touch. Whereas the proposed changes will allow confiscating everything that the accused will not prove that he received this property (assets) legally, that is, he must prove the source of income and the conformity of his income to the property (assets) he has.
    8. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 21 February 2018 17: 45
      +6
      Quote: Anarchist
      And it turns out that I robbed, served a little

      Khodorkovsky, for example, sat for 3 million a day ... I would also sit this weekend. I don’t need it anymore.
    9. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 21 February 2018 21: 27
      0
      Quote: Anarchist
      It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!
      The only question that interests you is how will this law be applied? I would not want the "chips flying" yes, "forelocks cracked" ...


      I suggest starting with you.
  2. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 30
    +10
    May I vote? I am “FOR” with both hands and both legs!
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 32
      +14
      Quote: Silvestr
      with both hands and both legs

      Oh yes, how upset you are! lol But if that helps, then I will accept a similar pose. If for the good ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 35
        +4
        Quote: Anarchist
        Oh yes, how upset you are!

        so the idea what!
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 21 February 2018 16: 47
          +5
          Prepares for the next election in the State Duma. If I have enough strength, I must ...
          1. Esoteric
            Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 19
            +1
            Quote: Anarchist
            Prepares for the next election in the State Duma.

            What is this for? There is 81% confidence in victory? Oh well... hi
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 21 February 2018 17: 41
              +4
              Quote: Esoteric
              There is 81% confidence in victory?

              everything is perishable in this world. We do not know what will happen to our worldview in 6 years. Can these 81.3% become a load on their feet?
              1. Anarchist
                Anarchist 21 February 2018 18: 03
                +6
                Quote: Silvestr
                Can these 81.3% become a load on their feet?

                If only not in the form of a basin with cement near some reservoir!
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 21 February 2018 18: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Anarchist
                  If only not in the form of a basin with cement near some reservoir!

                  God forbid!
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 21 February 2018 21: 27
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      May I vote? I am “FOR” with both hands and both legs!


      Vote in Holland ...
  3. Radikal
    Radikal 21 February 2018 16: 32
    +3
    Quote: Captain of the Lieutenants
    Quote: Anarchist
    It is high time! I have gained dishonest labor - give it back! And it turns out that I looted, served a little (if I did) and returned to the mansions ... I paid the minimum fine and is free, get high!

    Everything is correct, only such a law will never be accepted by the bucket, never.

    That's right! yes
  4. mari.inet
    mari.inet 21 February 2018 16: 35
    +7
    Posers from the Communist Party! And then, having seized upon the authorities, they will begin to encourage denunciations of relatives, neighbors, co-workers .. And fierce: confiscate, exile to Siberia, camp work, etc. Without such drastic measures, it would be difficult for them to stay in power. It’s known from history.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 21 February 2018 16: 39
      +15
      Oh how! For the first time I see a person who speaks out against confiscation, with such a saying.
      This is how you managed to warm with soft identify?
      And, the fact that at one time they “confiscated” the PEOPLE'S STATE good by the method of privatization, does this not bother you now?
      It's about punishment.
      For impunity and permissiveness got everyone!
      And, you are not at all surprised by such opposition from the pseudo-elitists of confiscation ?!
      1. mari.inet
        mari.inet 21 February 2018 17: 30
        +4
        Punishment in the form of confiscation of the loot is available at present. The intervention of the Communist Party with its populist project-is part of the election campaign, no more.
        If in general, then I like the late Brezhnev socialism. Relaxing, not annoying in anything, lazy and calm, even some unsophisticated. Modern life is more collected, informative, constantly keeps in good shape. And everything would be fine if there were more jobs. I hope that with the construction of new industrial enterprises (of which more than 2000 are planned), jobs will appear. Gradually, salaries will grow. Russia does not need revolutionary nostalgic impulses. We need a calm forward line of development. Without sudden movements.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 26
      +4
      Quote: mari.inet
      Posers from the Communist Party! And then, having seized upon the authorities, they will begin to encourage denunciations of relatives, neighbors, co-workers .. And fierce: confiscate, exile to Siberia, camp work, etc. Without such drastic measures, it would be difficult for them to stay in power.


      wassat But it’s trouble-free to take power by declaring himself the head of the Russian Federation, signing an agreement on the dissolution of the Union, adopting a constitution drawn up by the State Department with a quarter of votes and shooting from tanks at the parliament. Then carry out privatization in the State Department, on presidential decrees - decrees of a drunkard, filling the streets and reception areas with blood of those who disagree, preferring thieves' concepts to the rule of law. There is such a state - shock. yes He passes. The "bright capitalist future" will collapse just as the tsarist rotten system fell ...
    3. Jack
      Jack 21 February 2018 17: 27
      +3
      And a lot under Brezhnev "exiled to Siberia"?
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 21 February 2018 16: 37
    +4
    And even shorter - "Return 37y year" Do not ride? Not?
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 21 February 2018 16: 43
      +4
      would not hurt
    2. zivXP
      zivXP 21 February 2018 16: 44
      0
      Not all at once.
    3. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 21 February 2018 20: 20
      0
      To hell with the 37th!
      Give "Word and deed"!
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 21 February 2018 16: 42
    +5
    confiscation without execution is like a bezsex marriage
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 30
      +4
      Quote: Dormidont
      confiscation without execution is like a bezsex marriage

      In particularly significant cases, you can find the best option:
  7. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 21 February 2018 16: 43
    +7
    And now let's see which party in the State Duma refuses to vote for this norm, it is advisable to publish it before the election.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 33
      +2
      Sometimes such organizations should be reduced to 3 people. In this case (in the absence of abstentions) either a positive or negative decision is always taken. And quickly ...
    2. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 21 February 2018 20: 22
      +1
      In the country, 404 have been trying for 4 years to call deputies to account. Well, and how are they doing?
  8. Odysseus
    Odysseus 21 February 2018 16: 46
    +4
    The offer is correct. But it will not work.
  9. taiga2018
    taiga2018 21 February 2018 16: 47
    +1
    they can pass the law, but as if the current presidential candidate from the Communist Party, the collective farmer-billionaire Grudinin, would not be the first to suffer from this law ...
    1. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 21 February 2018 16: 53
      +3
      They are completely for you, here I am not his supporter, but comparing the real affairs and his salary, I consider everything to be the case. Give a list of millionaires-billionaires of the ruling party? By the way, do not tell me Pekhtin proved that the house in Miami is not his? Otherwise he left the State Duma meeting with the words “we will still fight” and did not return.
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 21 February 2018 17: 03
        +3
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        comparing real affairs and his salary,

        I don’t know, maybe he really is such a super leader, or he’s lucky that the collective farm is located in the suburbs, but I personally know several heads of successful agricultural enterprises and I know for sure that their children studied in local schools, received Russian higher education, live and work in Russia ...
        1. ancestors from Don
          ancestors from Don 21 February 2018 17: 15
          +3
          I am talking about people who work and feed the country. If someone from the published photo of the sporting deputies of the State Duma doesn’t come to the meeting, no one will notice, but get with all the bonuses more than Grudinin, that’s all arithmetic.
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 21 February 2018 19: 04
            +1
            Quote: ancestors from the Don
            I am talking about people who work and feed the country

            then it is necessary to take not deputies and not a collective farmer-billionaire, but a simple peasant farmer who has several hundred hectares of land and 50-100 heads of cows and who himself carries milk of own production for sale ...
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    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 38
      +5
      Quote: taiga2018
      the current presidential candidate from the Communist Party, the collective farmer billionaire Grudinin ...

      And the incumbent president is a billionaire, a member of the Lake cooperative, who was taking assets abroad during the time of Sobchak wassat Having friends (associates) of millionaires and billionaires, he lives on one salary, which he is transferred to the Rossiya Bank - he is his "nest egg". Not? wassat Where did you get information about the billions of Grudinin? Billionaire Zhirinovsky said?
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 21 February 2018 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: Esoteric
        Billionaire Zhirinovsky said?

        no, not him, but the collective farmer’s foreign accounts, about which he "did not know ..."
    4. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 21 February 2018 20: 25
      +1
      Well, everything is logical:
      The millionaire collective farm is the billionaire chairman.
  10. senima56
    senima56 21 February 2018 16: 52
    +1
    While the oligarchs (or their representatives) are sitting in the State Duma and pass laws "for themselves" - nothing will change!
  11. mavrus
    mavrus 21 February 2018 16: 54
    +5
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: 79807420129
    Do you think this law will be passed in the Duma, where more than 300 votes by the bucket


    these don't

    Landing photo ... Maybe the MPs really need to arrange a subbotnik for unloading the wagons, so that at least they have an idea what it is - a real job, and not sitting out of pants.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 February 2018 17: 41
      +2
      Quote: mavrus
      Maybe the MPs really need to arrange a subbotnik for unloading the wagons, so that they even have an idea what it is - real work, and not sitting out of pants.

      After 60 years, the State Duma has nothing to do at all. And deputies who do not live among the people (among them) cannot pass laws for those who work hard for "food."
  12. Ascetic
    Ascetic 21 February 2018 17: 08
    +5
    If you carefully read article 104 of the Criminal Code, there is an adequate list of crimes that entails the confiscation of property obtained by criminal means.
    The Criminal Code contains a list of 74 crimes for which confiscation is provided. Confiscation is provided for terrorism, the call for terrorist activities (including using the Internet), money laundering, involvement / coercion to prostitution, drug trafficking, bribery, kidnapping, human trafficking. Slavery, crimes against life and health, infringement of voting rights, non-payment of salaries and pensions, violations against copyright, for crimes against children, production of fake goods, organization of gambling, agreements in sports competitions. bribery of judges, money laundering, for financial crimes. bribery, smuggling, For "Gangs. All art. 208. Organization of or participation in an illegal armed group; all art. 209. Banditry; all art. 210. Organization of a criminal community (or criminal organization) or participation in it (her); all art. 212. Mass riots; all art. 222. Illegal trafficking or carrying of weapons, their main parts, ammunition; all art. 227. Piracy (in relation to sea vessels). Drug articles, Article 258.1. Illegal mining, as well as trafficking of objects listed in the Red Book. Art. 275. High treason, a number of state crimes. Article 290. Receiving a bribe and others
    In general, you can find in this article.
    Communists offer to return confiscation as additional sentencein the current legislation this is not a punishment. It is more a measure that helps restore justice., protect society from dangerous illegal acts and the consequences of its commission.
    For example, as a result of robbery, the criminal Vanya took possession of Mani's gold chain. After that, he presented this chain to his wife Tanya. The property was obtained by criminal means, this jewelry was confiscated from Tanya and transferred to Mane (rightful owner). If it is not possible to return the decoration “in kind”, then Vanya will have to return to Irina the monetary value of the gold chain.
    If confiscation is returned to the law as an additional measure of punishment. What the Communists offer, then Van can confiscate not only the chain, but also other property that the court considers necessary.
    Here, behind populist slogans in the spirit, everything needs to be taken away and divided, you need to think carefully about what this will lead to in our capitalist society, such schemes will appear that any unwanted powerful world can be deprived not only of freedom but also of all property. As if in a patriotic frenzy, a child would not splash out with water.
    1. tasha
      tasha 22 February 2018 04: 45
      0
      Thank you for the detailed and detailed comment. Only they hardly read it winked
      Because the "communists" of the "USSR" "return" "confiscation" .... wink
  13. bald
    bald 21 February 2018 17: 36
    +1
    And who is against ?! Here it is necessary to start with them.
  14. Lars971a
    Lars971a 21 February 2018 17: 53
    +2
    It’s right, but whether the United Russia party will adopt this law in the State Duma is the question .......................
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 21 February 2018 18: 16
    +1
    a serious argument on the eve of the presidential election, did the ice break ...
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 21 February 2018 20: 19
      0
      this is a mirage .... it seems like you can hear it but in fact zilch
  16. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 February 2018 18: 33
    0
    Communist Party proposed to return to the Criminal Code "full norm" on confiscation

    It has long been noticed, the Communist Party begins to fuss under the client at the most inopportune moment.
    And if we are exclusive for you only?
    And the client’s desire is the law for us. This month is free. You will pay for your whole life.
    And here is the question. How many times has the Communist Party, in the overwhelming struggle for justice, repeatedly raised this “Skli question”?
    It was boring to go to INTER, they poured similar questions. angry
  17. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 18: 50
    +1
    Again, the election steam, which, as always, is a hoot. The Communist Party is truly nothing to do.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 21 February 2018 19: 19
    +2
    That's what the choices do!
    The Communist Party began to offer confiscation for stealing officials.
    LDPR offers everyone to solve housing problems.
    The authorities noticed poverty among Russians.
    So I would have lived in a country with eternal elections ...............................
  19. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 21 February 2018 20: 17
    +2
    which only before the election they will not offer ... yes, EdRo horseradish will give confiscation to the Criminal Code
  20. not main
    not main 21 February 2018 21: 07
    +2
    Damn is not a site, but some kind of garbage is getting! The censor is resting!
  21. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 21 February 2018 21: 26
    0
    for 70 years have not yet plundered ...
  22. Lexus
    Lexus 22 February 2018 00: 19
    +1
    In my opinion, the Communists early on began to share the "skin and not killed Vedmede". First you need to win the election, but the authorities are already "farting", "podlyany" will not take long to wait. PedRo (Pu and EdRo) will immediately be banned from such an initiative. What, otherwise, will they live? And after the victory in the elections, it’s necessary to act: return the Law to the service of the people, and not the “heaps”, if the “under-Duma” will sabotage, play “World of Tanks” (it was possible to patron the “pale moth”), but people for that only say thanks. By the way, about the Duma elections, I went to vote closer to the closure of the polling station (work did not allow it), and so out of my 63-apartment building only fifteen people voted, all ardent communists. This is the question of the "popular election" and the legitimacy of the State Duma.
  23. asiat_61
    asiat_61 22 February 2018 02: 52
    0
    Quote: kit88
    Yes you people!
    Elections! The usual PR-stuffing that people want to hear. Everyone understands that they will never accept such amendments. What is there to discuss and be on it.
    Bees against honey.

    Give elections every year !!!!
  24. solovald
    solovald 22 February 2018 05: 44
    0
    Well, ml, what is there to chew, chew !? What could be the if? Only the principle of "an eye for an eye" - the complete confiscation of all acquired by "honest-honest" work + rejection of the organs and business for the rest of their lives.
  25. Bosch
    Bosch 22 February 2018 06: 12
    0
    None of the current legislators will dig a hole for themselves and companies of their own kind.
  26. bycharashkO
    bycharashkO 22 February 2018 09: 55
    0
    Introduce the concepts of "confiscation", "family", "inner circle" and "far circle" into the code. in case of proven theft - confiscation in the amount stolen from the offender, if not enough - confiscation "from the family." again it wasn’t enough - confiscation from the "neighbor" and then from the "distant" circles. for it’s not figs to record the stolen on relatives, but such a “naked” one.
    1. M. Michelson
      M. Michelson 24 February 2018 01: 58
      0
      Definitely a plus.
      When Yezhov had such a formulation of PS - suspected espionage. And for this they closed for 10 years. And now enter a similar one - PC, suspicion of corruption. They caught a bribe-taker, and he, it turns out, gave something to someone in a box - and this person quickly wrote off part of his property ...
  27. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 24 February 2018 01: 54
    0
    "For grave and especially grave." But is it really that robbers and robbers care about confiscation?
    The property must be seized first for economic crimes! After all, a reasonable step was taken: I got caught on a bribe - if you please, compensate in 10 times the amount. And ... they immediately abolished confiscation as an additional measure. (This, you see, will undermine ownership in the young "capitalist" state!)
    And it should be so. Caught on a bribe, fraud or the like - link, compensate for the damage in a multiple amount, Berufsverboten - well, and confiscation for completeness. Moreover, it makes sense to allow confiscation from unauthorized persons according to operational data (primarily from relatives). And the villain was torn off like sticky, sent "to places with an unhealthy climate" (al-kit.), Broke his career, and even his friends would shy away from him (so as not to get confiscated). Then the thieves will think whether the game is worth the candle.