Dimitri Klensky: Estonian Russophobia Lessons: Chauvinism, Territorial Claims and Traitors

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Dimitri Klensky: Estonian Russophobia Lessons: Chauvinism, Territorial Claims and TraitorsEstonia, which considers itself a European country and a democratic, legal state, is hopelessly plunging into Russophobia. Every day brings proof of this. But this is also taught. For school students held special seminars.

One of them has just been held by the pro-government, well-funded organization of Russian-speaking students, the Open Republic, in Estonia. She is known for Russophobia and anti-Russian, and therefore she is entitled to hold her own events even in the building of the Estonian Parliament of the Riigikogu. A regular seminar of the "Open Republic" was recently held in its conference hall. The event was facilitated by the Ministry of Education and Science. The topic was declared - "Estonian-Russian relations". This time there was no simultaneous translation from Estonian into Russian and vice versa, since two-thirds of the hall was filled with pupils of gymnasiums with Estonian as the language of instruction. Mentors were represented solidly - the chairman of the parliamentary commission on foreign affairs, a member of the IRL nationalist party Marko Mihkelson (Marko Mihkelson), a member of the same commission, Social Democrat Jevgeni Ossinovski, head of the Estonian Institute of Human Rights Mart Nutt and researcher at the International Center for Defense Studies Kadri Liik. It is noteworthy that they did not invite a representative of the accused in Estonia to sympathize with Russia and the local Russian residents of the largest opposition party, the Center Party, at the seminar with such an agenda. Not to mention the fact that the presence of a Russian diplomat from the Russian embassy in the Republic of Estonia would also be appropriate. But as it turned out very quickly, there was no need for them. Because at the event that lasted for almost two hours (read: a briefing), I barely touched ... directly the relations between Estonia and Russia.

"Unwashed" Russia is no match for Estonia

Representatives of the Foreign Affairs Committee - Marko Mihkelson and Yevgeny Osinovsky, and Mart Nutt and Kadri Liyk, did not say anything that needs to be done or can be done to improve these relations. After all, the absence of a border treaty between the two countries cannot be considered natural. But the activity, and Kadri Liyk demonstrated even aggressiveness, all four expressed criticism of Russia. Needless to say, all these leaders of the workshop-instruction recalled the "Soviet occupation". The moderator also tried - student Ivan Lavrentiev, who played the role of a tuning fork - this is his typical question to youth mentors: "Are relations with a state in which human rights are not observed, and is the Stalin power attitude of society to society?" Kadri Liik surpassed everyone here! Here are her delights: "Russia cannot live without the image of the enemy, and this shows the vitality of Stalinism in Russia", "For Estonia, policies like" the parquet general, the opportunist Dmitry Rogozin, are dangerous, "Putin has less legitimacy, he is different in his own" anti-Americanism. "The last one is especially touching. After all, US specialist Nikolai Zlobin asserts on Russian TV channels that Vladimir Putin’s rhetoric not only has no hint of US condemnation, moreover, Russia’s relations with America under Putin can be considered quite acceptable Aznoglasii. That is, Kadri Liyk confuses the rhetoric of Russian politicians and the media with the official position of the Kremlin.

Mart Nutt talked about how for many years Russia did not agree with any of the compromises that were proposed by the Estonian side. And on the contrary, Estonia de did everything to normalize relations with Russia. On the question of visa-free travel from Russia to the European Union and in the opposite direction, the human rights activist noted that Russia is not able to control migration. The visa-free regime in Russia does not comply with the norms and specifications of Brussels. For example, it is mandatory and unacceptable for the European Union to register visitors, and, in contrast to the European Union, freedom of movement is restricted in Russia. As a result, students — participants of the seminar instead of a story about Russian-Estonian relations were hammered into simple Estonian “truth” —the eastern neighbor, although great, is not capable, by virtue of its civilizational backwardness and imperial thinking, to establish normal relations not only with the West, but also with its neighbors. The seminar also vividly discussed the issue of the initiative of a number of Estonian politicians (among them Marco Mihkelson), business people of culture and science, who offered to perpetuate the memory of Russian President Boris Yeltsin in Tallinn. In this regard, it was stated that Ronald Reagan deserves more of this, since he contributed to the collapse of the USSR - the "evil empire," on a global scale. The same, but within the Soviet Union, was contributed by Boris Yeltsin, opposing supporter of the preservation of the Union, Mikhail Gorbachev. That is, Reagan and Yeltsin played into the hands of the supporters of the independence of Estonia. And so, despite Yeltsin’s flaws - the shooting of the White House, the unleashing of the Chechen war, the appointment of Putin as his successor, the monopolization of power, in general, the advantages outweighed the disadvantages - Boris Nikolayevich did not meet European standards, but worked in the interests of Estonia. The principle worked: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

What Russia does not please Estonia?

Researcher Kadri Liyk believes that the constant threats of Russia (?!) To its neighbors and the creation of an image of the enemy stems from its internal policy - the need to mobilize the electorate and distract people from real problems. It is amazing, but such a policy, and widely, is practiced by Estonia, the entire Baltic, and others. But in Russia, all this comes from the fact that the Russian authorities are not able to legitimize themselves in the traditional way - by fair elections. And again behind the bracket it is worth noting: who would talk about their fraud in Russia? In Estonia, the public has long considered "their" (especially electronic) elections not credible. In short, Kadri Liik believes, the Russian authorities are satisfied with the pseudo-legitimization, which is ensured by rallying against the enemy. Most often it is the United States, NATO, the West. And the neighbors are convenient, as enemies, because they do not have to be particularly considered, there is enough emotion. And yet, the scholarly expert is glad: the current Putin anti-Western rhetoric has already discredited the anti-western itself, it has the opposite effect. For example, "if Putin says that Estonia is bad, then some young progressive intellectual thinks that Estonia is alright."

Further, Kadri Liik believes that the modern administration of Russia is permeated with the legacy of Stalinism. As proof, she refers to the outstanding Russian sociologist Yuri Levada. He believed that the liberation from this "atavism" is possible when the government and society really work for the benefit of the people, provide income growth for the population, do not resort to "emergency" and find a place in the world that eliminates the constant threats to neighbors. Do not understand what prevents Kadri Liik to see the same flaws in the management of just the Estonian state? But this is a separate topic. Her concern is touching and how long the Putin-Medvedev power will last? First: “Much depends on oil prices. If oil prices fall, Russia will be very difficult, because it has very large expenditure items of the budget, and many sociologists believe that then political and social protest can coincide, which will lead to major shocks. " And secondly: “All current politicians and political parties in Russia serve“ managed democracy ”, and the fragmented opposition can only make noise on the Internet, that is, create a serious political movement, and are not yet in a position to nominate a leader. But is it really so "Revolutions in North Africa have done without leaders. It will be interesting to follow developments in Russia." But it is interesting to observe the hypocrisy of the Estonian policy, which actively, constantly and purposefully, sets up the Russian and Estonian population of Estonia against Russia and at the same time seems to be an “objective” observer (but, alas, a layman).

And yet, territorial claims

Politician and human rights activist Mart Nutt continued to present bills to Russia. He sees two flaws in Russia's attitude to Estonia, both torpedoes any initiatives of Tallinn. Either the Kremlin insists that Estonia's joining the USSR in 1940 was voluntary, and rejects the Estonian side's assertion that Estonia's joining the USSR was the occupation of Estonia. Or he leaves under far-fetched pretexts from signing a border treaty with Estonia. But according to international law, there was no occupation, there was annexation (incorporation) - the incorporation of Estonia into the USSR. This does not give political and historical preferences to Tallinn. Hence the stranglehold when it comes to occupation.

Well, as for the Treaty on the Basics of Interstate Relations between the RSFSR and the Republic of Estonia signed between Estonia and Russia, which rushed to Tallinn on 12 January 1991, was signed on behalf of Russia by drunk Boris Yeltsin, this is an example of Estonia’s hypocrisy and deceit on the most important item differences of positions of Russia and Estonia. Article 3 of this treaty promises Estonian citizenship to all citizens of the USSR living in Estonia. But in the other, it is stated that citizenship is granted on the basis of the country's domestic legislation. As a result, even today we have massless statelessness in Estonia and the highest percentage of Russian citizens in the world among residents of a single country. This is annoying and the European Union. Behind this bundle - albeit well-powdered with formal democratic attributes, but banal segregation. And racism, in the modern, that is, expansive understanding of how the UN interprets it.

March Nutt skillfully throws a shadow on the fence, explaining why Russia withdrew the signature on the border treaty concluded in 2005 year, by the way, long ago ratified by the Estonian parliament. The problem is that Estonia backdating, already after the negotiations on the border treaty, entered into the preamble of the law on ratification (not the treaty itself) mention of the Tartu (Yuryev) peace treaty. They did it, ostensibly, because Russia in the same year 2005 made a statement in which it again denied the succession of the Estonian state. But the background was completely different, fascinated by Mart Nutt at the seminar, saying that "the contradictions in concluding the border treaty were due to the border" that Moscow established after World War II, pushing it westwards, in favor of the RSFSR. And she did it unilaterally, having received the consent of the Estonian SSR retroactively. That is why Mart Nutt broke, stating: "The question can be put like this: if the Tartu peace is in place, then there is a border treaty." This is the recognition of pre-war borders, that is, territorial claims. Until 1940, the territory of Estonia extended almost to the city of Kingisepp (Yamburg), and after the war it was returned to the Narova River (Ivangorod). That is, Narva remained in the structure of the Estonian SSR, although in tsarist times this city was within the borders of the Petersburg province.

How Estonia loves to argue with Russia

That is, the meaning of the preamble in the border treaty is not to uphold the continuity of Estonian statehood, but to preserve intrigue with the return in the future of a part of the territory that the Bolsheviks donated to Estonia in 1920 year. They made this gift to Estonia for the legitimacy of the formation of Soviet Russia, which turned out to be in international isolation. But recognition of the Republic of Estonia took place! By the way, the restoration of its full independence in 1991, Russia recognized the second, after Iceland. So it's not about bad and capricious Russia, but about the territorial claims of ambitious Estonia, which more and more often resembles an old woman from the Tale of a Goldfish. In order to hush up the true positions of the parties, Marco Mihkelson began to clarify how much Estonia is right and Russia is not right when it comes to the notorious preamble. He also rebuked the Estonian media, which do not understand that this reference does not apply to the border treaty itself, but is written into the law, which ratified this border treaty itself. And this is a purely internal matter of Estonia, its sovereign right!

To begin with, at the border negotiations, Moscow was not even notified about this. And, if the Estonian side insists that the preamble in the law on ratification has nothing to do with the treaty itself, then why concern it at all? Therefore, Estonia should be blamed for double-dealing - if she really wanted a border treaty, she would not cling to the preamble. But she is quite satisfied with the stalemate: “I don’t want to say that the border treaty isn’t needed at all, I just want to emphasize that you shouldn’t overestimate its influence on Estonian-Russian relations,” Mart Nutt concluded and gave an example of the absence, already 67 Year, the post-war peace treaty between Russia and Japan. And that is characteristic again, drawing parallels between Zanarov and Pechora with the Kuriles, he noted that this issue remains the subject of many years of disputes, which does not interfere with the cooperation of countries. He haughtily added that let Russia have a headache on this issue: "Estonia has nothing more to do with it, it ratified it, and there is no reason to start new negotiations, but for Russia it is a matter of honor: you don’t understand how to return the already withdrawn signature" .

Otherwise ... everything is good, everything is good

They killed half an hour at the seminar to review the history of the border treaty. And Marco Mihkelson, instead of rejecting the accusations of the Russian side and critically approaching the position of the Estonian side, and better suggesting how to normalize Estonian-Russian relations, also began to argue that there is nothing wrong with the absence of a border treaty. And he drew a parallel with the European Constitutional Treaty, the entry into force of which stalled referendums in France and the Netherlands.

Marko Mihkelson: “But today Europe does not have a Constitutional Treaty, an analogue of this document exists under a different name - the Lisbon Treaty, in which several commas are changed. Here you can see a similarity with the situation around the Estonian-Russian border treaty, which does not exclude the continuation of dialogue in the diplomatic and parliamentary levels that gradually happens. " As proof of the tolerance of interstate relations, extensive “landing” of Russian artists to Estonia, a powerful growth of tourism and even commodity circulation were brought. And this, despite the remembering "Bronze Soldier" Russian politicians and the "anti-Estonian" propaganda of the Russian media. Marko Mihkelson also noted that, on his initiative, the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Riigikogu and the State Duma of the Russian Federation would resume cooperation, which had been interrupted as early as 2006.

Therefore, it is arrogant and humiliating for Russians in Estonia, for those who do not close their eyes to the plight of the population of the “Russian” north-east of Estonia (Ida-Virumaa county) and the discrimination of non-Estonians about the lack of a border treaty: “I think that those Narvites who cross the border do not have any problems due to the lack of a contract, they can do it completely freely. It would be even better if more cigarettes could be carried across the border. " It is unlikely that the politician does not know that ordinary Russian residents have to stand for several hours in lines at checkpoints under the open sky, in cold and rain, and all in order to make ends meet. And if not in the course, then what is he worth, as a parliamentarian - protecting the interests of his Russian voter?

Evgeny Osinovsky also touched upon the topic “with a beard” - the abolition of the allegedly discriminatory double taxation of goods by Russia. But it is also true that this is not about punishing Estonia, but about refusing to reduce ordinary tariffs by half, which is done to favor trade with countries that have friendly and normal relations with Russia. In the opinion of Yevgeny Osinovsky, Moscow does not accept such a decision due to the same reluctance of Estonia to begin new negotiations on signing a border treaty. But the parliamentarian elected from the "Russian" northeast of the country, although he rebuked both countries in this, was granted one fair remark - Estonia itself should, as less substituted, not give Moscow reasons to freeze Russian-Estonian relations.

Osinovsky gives advice to Putin

Yevgeny Osinovsky called the scandal with the desecration of the ashes of the Soviet soldiers, when transferring the monument he erected ("The Bronze Soldier") to 2007, as the most impressive base. But the trouble is that the socialist party Evgeny Osinovsky, whose party is in parliament in opposition, shortly before this, demonstrating the loyalty of the ethnocratic power that dominates Estonia, spoke in his article “What would I show to Putin in Estonia?” (newspaper "North Coast"), showing astonishing arrogance and swagger in relation to the Prime Minister of Russia, elected President of the Russian Federation. The Estonian parliamentarian, who sincerely advocates for improving relations with Russia (his father is known for transit business between Estonia and Russia), calls Vladimir Putin’s electoral articles “writings,” calls his point of view “primitive,” as does the Estonian government. " a person who is not yet thirty! Is this being taught in the UK, where he received two higher educations?

At the same time, he constantly contradicts himself. For example, reports that "Russia for years ... speaks about discrimination of national minorities in Estonia ... But the people of Estonia, in general, are able to adequately assess the accuracy of such statements, which, however, cannot be said of the inhabitants of Russia." But, without embarrassment, he continues: "Although we, undoubtedly, have serious problems with the integration of the Russian-speaking population." Or such a passage: “Putin announced that he would decisively demand protection of the rights of the Russian minority in Estonia. Russian rhetoric didn’t change in the 12 years of Putin’s tenure, but our society has undergone several important changes during this time. First, in 2000, there were 170000 stateless persons in Estonia ... By last year, that figure had dropped to the 100000 mark. " And right there: “The political opportunities of non-citizens are really limited in our country ... they cannot participate in the elections of the Riigikogu and influence the broader policy formation.”

A remark is appropriate here: the decrease in the number of non-citizens is not due to the adoption of Estonian citizenship, but due to the natural decline in the population, as well as an increase in the number, including young people, who choose the citizenship of the Russian Federation, and those who leave Estonia for good. Finally, such a pearl: “Conversations about social and economic discrimination are completely incompetent” and right there he writes: “This is the situation when residents of the Russian native language have, regardless of citizenship, the right to equal salary and education, in which they but in reality they are inferior to Estonians. " It is worth adding the Social Democrat Yevgeny Osinovsky - unemployment among Russians and Russian speakers today is several times higher than among Estonians, especially among young people. According to the level of higher education of young people, Estonians have a twofold advantage, while 20 years ago did not differ in this indicator.

The apotheosis of Yevgeny Osinovsky’s article is his charming instructions: “I can’t condemn Putin’s anxiety about Russians, but I advise him to come to Estonia and get acquainted with the facts before making statements. And I also advise our Russian-speaking residents instead to see Putin as a savior, to participate more actively in Estonian politics and thereby change the government. "

PS Is it possible, after such lessons of Russophobia, to believe in the sincerity of those who declare in Estonia the desire to normalize relations with Russia?
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  1. +11
    April 20 2012 08: 00
    A brief retelling of the Estonian policy towards Russia ... Woof ... Woof ... Woof ... Woof ... the elephant went away on business ... the pug with a sense of accomplishment went to rest ...
    1. +25
      April 20 2012 08: 10
      Thanks to Russia alone, many nations did not cease to exist. Without Russia, Poles would now be Germans, Finns as Swedes, and Estonians either Germans or Swedes.
      1. +9
        April 20 2012 08: 20
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Thanks to Russia alone, many nations did not cease to exist. Without Russia, Poles would now be Germans, Finns as Swedes, and Estonians either Germans or Swedes.

        Greetings, Dmitry! Cool said. Plus, using the example of the Balts once again (just less veiled, not covered up), you are convinced that the nationalist will speak loudest about defending democracy and blame other people and other countries for his troubles. This is its breeding ground. Although everyone knows how it ends, but, with persistence of fucking ... and do not stop stepping on this rake. What's most cynical is that they invite us to learn about their "best practices" and teach us how to live fool ---------: "I cannot in any way condemn Putin's anxiety about the Russians, but I advise him to come to Estonia and get acquainted with the facts before making statements. And I also advise our Russian-speaking residents instead of to see Putin as a savior, to participate more actively in Estonian politics and thereby change the government ----------- fool
      2. +12
        April 20 2012 08: 53
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Without Russia, the Poles would now be Germans,

        By the beginning of the twentieth century, the Polish language and culture were preserved only in that part of Polly, which after the breakup of the Commonwealth passed to Russia. Indicative historical fact.
      3. +7
        April 20 2012 10: 52
        Quote: Dmitriy69
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        Dmitriy69 RU Today, 08: 10 new
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        Thanks to Russia alone, many nations did not cease to exist. Without Russia, Poles would now be Germans, Finns as Swedes, and Estonians either Germans or Swedes.
        Well done! I would have gone further .. No matter how much the rope is wound, the end will still be .. Estonia is now bewildering because they have begun to forget it .. Outskirts, the wild side of Europe ... They were people in the USSR, in the EU savages ...
        And such an attitude leads to the rejection of investments .. And they cannot earn their money ...
        1. +2
          April 20 2012 11: 18
          Quote: domokl
          And this attitude leads to the rejection of investments
          When you want to eat, and people scatter like cockroaches in different countries, the easiest way is to come up with an external enemy, who is to blame for everything laughing There is simply no one to Estonians to blame for their nonsense .. And Russia shouldn’t even notice another bite ... Like Krylov-A, the elephant goes on its way, goes ... And it doesn’t recognize your barking .....
      4. 755962
        +2
        April 20 2012 17: 28
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Without Russia, Poles would now be Germans, Finns as Swedes, and Estonians either Germans or Swedes.

        And now, under the Anglo-Saxons, the Nazis are damned. Everything collapsed after the collapse of the Union .. Factories, factories, production ... Now here is consciousness .. although when in a coma what kind of consciousness can we talk about?
    2. vadimus
      +7
      April 20 2012 08: 41
      Mal bug, yes smelly.
      1. +4
        April 20 2012 10: 39
        Well, how of them rushing inferiority complex!
        Estonians cannot boast of real achievements, so they are trying to compensate for this with Russophobic squeals. Pitiful and unsightly picture.
      2. +3
        April 20 2012 15: 54
        There, Rogozin said that if Moldova declares itself a part of Romania, Transnistria will become part of Russia. And this is no longer khukh-mukhra.
  2. Sarus
    +8
    April 20 2012 08: 07
    Such disrespect will not end in good ...
    The Baltic was and will be a bargaining chip ..
    I’m never going to rest here .. So to defile the memory of soldiers is simply ignorance ..
    Western mongrels ...
    1. +9
      April 20 2012 09: 03
      Rude! laughing Where is your tolerance ?!
      Apparently in the same place as mine. drinks
    2. +2
      April 20 2012 10: 55
      Quote: Sarus
      The Baltic was and will be a bargaining chip ..
      I agree ... We just forget what Estonia is like a microbial state .. And politically and economically and in the human sense ... Europeans needed a coast (in other matters, as always) .. They tried to hammer a window that Peter cut through ..And it didn’t work out ...
  3. +8
    April 20 2012 08: 11
    "unwashed russia" is the same as Estonia, - yes, where do we go. Here's how to lick the ass of the West-Baltic countries has no equal. Always first and out of line
    1. DYMITRY
      +7
      April 20 2012 08: 58
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      "unwashed russia" is the identity of estonia

      It always amazes me - do all these geyropeyskie dwarfs seriously consider themselves great powers, with the opinion of which they should seriously listen to the whole world?
      1. lotus04
        0
        April 21 2012 06: 23
        The smaller the pug, the louder it barks.
  4. Liberal
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    April 20 2012 08: 18
    I wonder why from the Russophobic, anti-Russian Estonia on which SS veterans roam marching, the Russians are not in a hurry to leave and from some regions of the Russian Federation they tumble down so that the heels sparkle?

    Dear Russians undergoing torment of oppression and discrimination in a damned Estonian region, return to Russia. You will find places, for example, in the Muslim republics of the North Caucasus laughing and then there something of late, their Russians have fallen into the wrong, unconsciously dumped leaving the region without specialists ... Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia are waiting for you! You will live among native Caucasian Russians and not among the xenophobes of the Baltic states laughing
    1. +11
      April 20 2012 09: 46
      Quote: Liberal
      not in a hurry to leave and from some regions of the Russian Federation

      You repeat this postulate as a Buddhist mantra.
      "as well as an increase in the number, including young people, who choose Russian citizenship and those who leave Estonia forever."
      Where were your little eyes? Or forgot how to read.
      Quote: Liberal
      and from some regions of the Russian Federation they knock so that the heels sparkle?

      Until the phenomenon of "liberal" appeared on the political Olympus of Russia, people went there in droves. This is a FACT. Now we still have 30 years to rake up what others like you have done.
      1. Liberal
        -15
        April 20 2012 09: 59
        Quote: Ziksura
        "as well as an increase in the number, including young people, who choose Russian citizenship and those who leave Estonia forever."
        Where were your little eyes? Or forgot how to read.


        my eyes are waiting for specific numbers of trustworthy and not empty words ... There are regular news, figures and statements by officials about 300 thousand Russians who fled from Chechnya, about the ongoing outflow of Russians from other republics of the TFR.


        Quote: Ziksura
        Until the phenomenon of "liberal" appeared on the political Olympus of Russia, people went there in droves. This is a FACT. Now we still have 30 years to rake up what others like you have done.


        They were sent there in droves by the totalitarian Soviet regime. Hundreds of thousands of Russian specialists with their families were sent voluntarily and compulsorily, according to distribution, to raise the national districts of the Soviet under-empire. And the "liberals" are not to blame for the fact that after the collapse of the union, their liberated natives were put on knives, raped and kicked out of their apartments ... this is a natural process of decolonization ...
        1. Vadim555
          +3
          April 20 2012 11: 20
          Quote: Liberal.
          Liberal


          "Liberasts" and "renegades" of all stripes, dedicated.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do7b4Bd3zsQ&context=C44e125bADvjVQa1PpcFNUdC1enCD
          A8J_sRyMnCc5nNwCc8CYMgVQ =
          1. Liberal
            -3
            April 20 2012 13: 35
            This must be shown to those unconscious Russians who are flowing out of the North Caucasus Federal District! laughing
        2. +5
          April 20 2012 12: 41
          Something on the liberals website has divorced. And the skull-bearer is you, and minus the foreman is also you.
          How many times have you specially registered so that there is more stink?
          1. Liberal
            0
            April 20 2012 13: 34
            You are a Jew - answer a question (not related to the topic) to the question.
            I specially repeat: Why are Russians not fleeing from the phooshistic Estonia but are swiftly draining from some regions of the Russian Federation ??
            1. +5
              April 20 2012 14: 02
              There are many liberal reasons.
              Of those that are in sight, relatively law-abiding citizens, cleanliness and comfort. It's much easier to steer a small country than 1/6 of a ball. He himself lived in the Caucasus and the Baltic states. Lithuania, Latvia - in the 90s, of course, only in civilian clothes, I only wore uniforms in part, but it was the same in Kazan. In the Caucasus, the stronger and wilder survive. The law of the jungle, the cult of power, now there is also religious pseudo-hysteria, the "jihad" of the forest, universal corruption and clannishness. Tukhums, teips, etc. It is more difficult there, although the nature is magnificent. Just where the Baltic states keep silent or run to the police, the dag will take out the barrel and bang head-on. But there are still a lot of Russians. Only these are either very strong personalities and specialists, or Russian wives of Caucasians.
              In general terms, one cannot blame the Russians for the outflow from the Caucasus, as well as for the lack of an outflow from Estonia. Everyone wants to live comfortably with a choice. Chechnya or Dagestan - for extreme sports (for now).
              1. Liberal
                -5
                April 20 2012 14: 33
                The authorities of Russia should first of all deal with the Caucasus and not present to Estonia where, despite the abandoned warehouses with weapons of Russian genocide, there was no difference from some regions of the Russian Federation itself ... Are there many Russians? 1-2% in Ingushetia with the Czech Republic, 5% in Dagestan is a lot?
                1. 0
                  April 20 2012 17: 21
                  Nu po aulam ya ne perestcitival, av gorodah est i nemalo. Skataisya - postcitai.
        3. +5
          April 20 2012 15: 50
          Quote: Liberal.
          my little eyes are waiting for specific digits trustworthy and not empty words ...

          He who has eyes, let them see: “At the moment there are about 1,3 million people living in Estonia, 84 percent of them have citizenship. 120 thousand people have Russian citizenship, another 98 thousand people are considered persons with undetermined citizenship. "
          "More than half (56%) of Russian students in basic school would prefer to leave Estonia. According to a study conducted by Tallinn University, more than half of students in Russian schools want to leave Estonia after graduation."
          "Now the naturalization process has stalled, the only ones who are still gradually acquiring citizenship are those underage children of seropaths who can get it in a simplified manner."
          “More and more Estonian residents are showing interest in the program for the return of compatriots to Russia. During 10 months of this year, 230 people turned to the Russian embassy for consultations,” MK-Estonia reports with reference to “News of Estonia”.
          To help deal with the growing heap of problems at the embassy, ​​representatives of the Russian Department of Social Security will be sent to Estonia. "
          "According to the website of the Estonian Consulate in Moscow, about 40 Estonians live in Russia. There are a little more than 000 million Estonians in the world. Thus, every 1th Estonian currently lives in Russia."

          More examples needed? Or enough?



          Quote: Liberal.
          They were sent there in droves by totalitarian Soviet power. Voluntarily Forced

          Yeah? Directly forced. 2-3 years in distribution and free. And already with experience in the specialty, and then only for graduates. Parents in the 60s returned from Kazakhstan and did not meet the barbed wire children in blue riding breeches anywhere on the way. Brother so forcibly came to Moscow in the 80s. Still not complaining. I forcibly received apartment 3.
          In the summer of 94, he himself was looking for an apartment for his friends from Grozny to move, but only they did not want to move from exile then (then they had to flee, but here, excuse me, it was war). I have many friends from those places. You should have seen with what nostalgic longing they recall life in exile in the "pre-biological era." I live in the south of Russia, where you got it.
          1. Arc76
            0
            April 20 2012 20: 36
            It's funny that those who write about Estonia have never been there. you know how much a dinner for two in the center of the old city in "Old Hansa" costs 36 euros. In St. Petersburg in the center you will not even be allowed outside the restaurant with such an amount. I have been to Tallinn several times this winter and spring and have spoken to young Russian non-citizens. Nobody wants to go to the Russian Federation. The status of a non-citizen of Estonia gives the rights of a resident of the EU, which means that you can take a train and go to work in Berlin as a plumber. Also, according to European quotas, you can enter the universities of Germany, Sweden and England, but of course you need to pass tests in English than most of my interlocutors did. An apartment in Tallinn is two times cheaper than in St. Petersburg. The salary of a teacher in Estonia is 600 euros. There is no queue near the embassy. Well, what else or that's enough. I strongly recommend that you go to Tallinn to study the issue on the spot, describe what you saw, and not engage in verbal self-satisfaction.
            1. +3
              April 20 2012 23: 10
              Quote: arc76
              how much is a dinner for two in the center of the old town in "Old Hansa" - 36 euros.

              In Dushanbe for this money you can feel like an oriental sheikh, not an indicator.
              Quote: arc76
              The queue near the embassy is not worth it.

              And this is not necessary. Especially if you are already a citizen of Russia.
              Quote: arc76
              The status of an Estonian non-citizen gives EU resident rights, which means that you can

              Formally, yes, but ... "Initially, the status of a permanent resident was conceived so that those with this status could easily move across Europe and work anywhere, but in practice there is no such thing. During the practical implementation of the directive, such a status" did not take root. " you can get a residence permit in another EU country in order to live there for more than 3 months, but you need to go through the procedure from scratch - you need to justify the reasons (for example, economic activity). " A friend of mine in Paris published a book dedicated to how people really get a residence permit and citizenship in "free" Europe, all based on real facts, incl. and on the basis of personal experience (now I am happy with everything, but I started by wandering around). There is a friend who returned from France to live in Russia. Life gives people many different chances, many plans can be made - to make a dream come true is the problem.

              Quote: arc76
              to universities in Germany, Sweden and England

              Unemployment statistics among graduates from indigenous universities their press itself came up with laughing . People are trying to seize their chance, good luck to them. But they are not going to stay in Estonia - agree.
              Quote: arc76
              to Tallinn to study the issue on the spot

              Clean, Akuratninsky town, I believe. So what? Nothing. Except for ...
              Quote: arc76
              rather than doing verbal self-gratification

              It is possible and non-verbal, not in terms of the language of poses and gestures, but simply carnally with a lovely woman, not listening to calls to do this while looking at a spectacular picture.
            2. Valmar
              +2
              April 21 2012 01: 30
              nu tu zagnul, sovsem laughing ohrenel, what ti gonish? merin? idi gavno pinay
              sam s Pitera, etim letom s zhenoy tam bili Ispanka sama tak ohrenela ot kachestva zhizni, eda v Lubom restorane prosto super, prichem iz desheviy blud do samih dorogih, vsyo prosto zamechatelno, ni s Madridom ni s Barselonoy chota nerav kogda vsya europa, na samom to deleting takoe gavno, nichego ne stoyashee, pustishki, vse bukvalno, razocharovanie polnoe, ubludki kaki eto ploho obrazovannie, skoro v Piter s zhenoy navsegda, vot kuda seychut vseiiyov Rossi .
              horosh tut mut navodit, seychas tolko o Rossii i govoryat vo vsey evrope, da vo vsyom mire
              1. Arc76
                -1
                April 21 2012 14: 59
                So hard for you there, of course, if you went selling yourself. Go to Europe at the corner with Konyushennaya and compare the prices with Tallinn if you were there. To compare the price of a one-room apartment in St. Petersburg starts at 50000 euros. The price of an apartment in Lap is from 30000. Nearest neighbors.
                1. 0
                  April 21 2012 18: 25
                  Quote: arc76
                  So hard for you, of course, if

                  Well, "if" the words of a person living in Europe are not your authority laughing laughing laughing T about ....

                  If you are convinced
                  There is such a world somewhere
                  Why aren't you in it
                  Why else here?

                  Preaching ideas that you yourself don’t follow is mixed, least. Since you yourself live in St. Petersburg, and not in Tallinn, then St. Petersburg is better. Are they not allowed to go to Europe? Not true. They don't welcome me with bread and salt, but everyone who wanted to leave has left. Tourist visa, then meals on "freebies", overnight on subway cars, work "non-legal", then a residence permit but also citizenship after many years. Here I worked in the district department, there a truck driver - a career worthy of admiration (I cite a specific case as an example).
                  Go ahead. And if you still feel better here, do not engage in demagogy. Funny right laughing bully laughing
                  1. Arc76
                    -1
                    April 21 2012 20: 54
                    So respected, if you are unemployed like this comrade, he will die of hunger here too. And I, unlike you, do not preach, I simply state facts on the basis of personal impressions, as opposed to the opinions of losers like this, and the horrors of worms that have read on the Internet like you But unlike the likes of you, I don’t live in captivity of my own illusions and opinions of marginals like Valmar who fell out of society. However, it’s also good in St. Petersburg, but our prices are objectively higher. My brother lives in Imatra, he works as a taxi driver, so those are the horrors what you describe here is just ridiculous to read.
  5. +6
    April 20 2012 08: 44
    Well, kurats, as usual, are nothing new in their repertoire, but renegades with Russian surnames are enraged! In the sweat of their brow they work out their 30 pieces of silver. For me, the words "social democrat", "human rights activist" are already associated with swearing and betrayal (Kovalev alone is worth something). Although, of course, there are enough normal, adequate people among Estonians. I have relatives living in Tallinn, and in Soviet times I very often came there. So, according to their stories, as soon as relations between Russians and Estonians begin to improve more or less, the authorities instantly arrange some kind of provocation, such as the transfer of a monument. The nationalists in power do not need civil consent in the country, otherwise they will be left out of work and without complementary foods from overseas.
    1. +3
      April 20 2012 14: 02
      lewerlin53rus,
      Greetings Eugene! I personally don’t think that the surname Osinovsky is Russian! Just like Berezovsky. Doesn’t it look like it! And Mikhelson is obviously not an Estonian!
  6. Alef
    +9
    April 20 2012 09: 31
    Estonia has an inferiority complex of a small, unremarkable state)) with a people in the form of a gray mass, whose cereals are mainly in the brain because of bloated conceit and envy of strong neighbors.
  7. +8
    April 20 2012 09: 41
    Small stature - big ego. It's just agony ...
  8. USNik
    +5
    April 20 2012 09: 44
    What are you attached to the essay marches? Estonians simply do not know that WW2 has ended, and they are still marching smile .
  9. Sniper 1968
    +12
    April 20 2012 09: 53
    I live 20km from the border with Estonia. Often I go there, as a rule, to enter Europe. Nobody, looking into my eyes, called me an invader, or something else. They can only bump into the RF like this knowing that they won’t be anything for it. There were Nazi tongue henchmen, but became American tongue "friends. They have no ridge, they always lie under" someone ". The fate of a port whore ...
  10. +9
    April 20 2012 09: 56
    For a long time, even in childhood, I read an art book about Dr. Rome It was remembered from there:
    There is no master ruthless, merciless and inhumane than the former slave, and who remained in the soul as a slave.
  11. Ohrim
    +5
    April 20 2012 11: 51
    And Switzerland introduced quotas for entry of slave forces from 8 EU countries, incl. Estonia. Outraged !!!!
  12. +1
    April 20 2012 12: 07
    Mass psychosis dragged on. Wait - cure ...
  13. +5
    April 20 2012 14: 28
    As an experiment in the USSR
    decided to provide Estonia
    independence for 12 hours. Those.
    at 6 in the morning, at 6 in the evening
    ending and immediately
    curfew.
    At 7.00 Estonia declared war
    Of Finland.
    At 8.00 the Finns entered
    Tallinn
    At 9.00:XNUMX, Estonia signed
    full and
    unconditional surrender.
    At 9.01, Estonians rushed to
    Finland for earnings and for
    shopping.
    At 10.00, Finland announced
    war of Russia.
    At 11.00 she signed an act on
    unconditional surrender with
    request to lose territory
    Estonia and consent to
    reparation and
    indemnities of Russia.
  14. +2
    April 20 2012 14: 49
    The swineherds were raging, along the way, indeed, Estonian agriculture fell into decay.
  15. BAT
    +2
    April 20 2012 14: 52
    Colleagues, maybe it’s not worth paying attention to the comments of all kinds of liberalists and other trolls. Just ignore ... Povyakit-povyakat, and then calm down. After all, a fool to teach that heal the dead.
    Do not waste your precious time on some kind of trickster. Too much honor for him.
    And on the topic --- all these microcountries, to be honest, are already fed up with their exorbitant ambitions. They just all want to be paid attention to, taken seriously ... Well, who will take into account the opinion of some kind of Estonia or Moldova. So they try to bark all these pugs at the elephant ... You look, someone will notice and pay attention to them.
    Normal, civilized, developed countries are trying to build normal and adequate relations with Russia (Germany, France, Sweden, Finland ...). But these still can not calm down. It’s just getting ridiculous from their statements.
    1. Liberal
      -2
      April 20 2012 15: 00
      I recall that recently Tajikistan smartly wiped its feet about this country in the matter of exchanging pilots for drug dealers .. Was it returned to the Russian Federation? Well, who will reckon with the opinion of some raw materials appendage ... laughing
  16. +1
    April 20 2012 15: 59
    Words of the unforgettable fabulist S. Krylov:
    - Ay pug! She is strong to know, since she barks at an elephant!
    But in general, of course, such a chatter of Estonian officials (and all Baltic satellites) is already tired of the order!
  17. Bat1stuta
    +3
    April 20 2012 16: 11
    sinfully laugh at sick people ... what

    they will not have the meaning of life without it! lol
  18. Goga
    +4
    April 20 2012 16: 52
    Colleagues, what's the difference between Estonia and the old hammer? The correct answer is NO! Where is the old hammer? And hell knows .... Estonia? Where is it ? wassat
  19. vladimir64ss
    +1
    April 20 2012 18: 39
    For 20 years, even rhetoric has not changed. Simply, these conversations from the farms moved to the Riigikogu. But arrogance is a sign of stupidity, do not be offended.
  20. +2
    April 21 2012 01: 38
    Such rhetoric in relation to Russia is characteristic only of the so-called "elite" and the population, which does not have a sufficient breadth of views due to its own limitations. But life is not very sweet for them there, so they are looking for enemies on the sides ... And so, the usual rancor.
  21. Artist
    +1
    April 21 2012 02: 33
    So I want to say beat the curates. Who are the curates? these are estonian devils.
    The word kurat is translated into Russian as hell. The people matter how we have a bastard, a bitch, a traitor.
    The people (among Estonians) already have good conversations that it is time to beat the kurats.
  22. 0
    28 October 2021 01: 40
    Estonians are shit!