President of Kazakhstan approved a new alphabet based on Latin

President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a decree approving a new version of the Kazakh alphabet based on Latin script, reports RIA News message of the press service of the head of state.

The phased translation of the alphabet into Latin graphics should be completed in Kazakhstan before 2025. In October, the first version of such an alphabet was already approved by 2017, but apostrophes were widely used in it, which, according to many experts and ordinary citizens, made reading and writing difficult.

The updated alphabet, like the earlier version, contains 32 letters, but it lacks apostrophes and introduced new accents and digraphs (sh, ch).

Earlier, Nazarbayev emphasized that the transition of the Kazakh language to the Latin alphabet "in no way affects the rights of Russian-speaking, Russian and other languages."

Recall, until 1920, the Kazakh language was used in Arabic, which changed the alphabet based on the Latin alphabet. It existed until 1940, when the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet was adopted. Currently, the Kazakh alphabet based on the Cyrillic alphabet consists of 42 letters.

In 2021-2023, it is assumed that they will start issuing passports, identification cards and other documents in the state language based on the Latin script.

A phased translation of the office work of local authorities, state media and state print media on the Latin script should be carried out in 2024-2025.

Comments

[Loess]

Kazakhstan is a rich country ... Switching to Latin is not a cheap pleasure ... I think so.

[Thrall]

Now Nursultan Aebishuly NAZARBAEV will drink instead of koumiss - kumis?

[Loess]

and vodka instead of vodka) ce Europe, fir-trees

[Crowe]

Quote: Less

CE Europe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

[ochakow703]

“CE Europe” is not a geographical, psychiatric concept. I’ve seen a banner with the advertisement “I’ll sell Eurowood”, the usual “European-style repair” sounds, there is still a “European standard”. So this is a psychiatrist, not a geographer. You can also go to an intelligent philologist to explain purely in Russian that sas ...., excuse me, it’s not beautiful to clog your native language. (And harmful !!!)

[Stas157]

. Recall that until the 1920s, the Kazakh language used the Arabic script, which replaced the alphabet based on the Latin alphabet

Recall that until the 1920s there was no state of Kazakhstan at all. ... Why is Nazarbayev Latin? Has Nazarbayev been tormented all his life, using the Cyrillic alphabet?
Recently, Nursultan Abishevich went to bow to Trump, to rescue 40% of the arrested sovereign fund by the Americans. And relations between Kazakhstan and the USA, after that they reached a new level of strategic partnership (he promised to buy $ 7,5 billion worth of American products, and something else ...). Although we know that Nursultan, threatened to go to the Latin alphabet, has threatened for a long time, but maybe it was the new partnership that helped put an end to this issue?

[AnpeL]

Nursul Borat is pleased with himself

[Shurik70]

And the USA will collapse, you look, "to the roots", in Arabic will return

[Hort]

Now the Indians were upset right now

[Sirocco]

Quote: Stas157

..Why is Nazarbayev Latin?

Probably having traveled to the United States, they made an offer that he couldn’t refuse, all the more the uncle is sick, his competitors are rubbing his hands behind him, and having bent in front of the west, he hopes to get bonuses for the Family, see how it all ends, Maybe like Gaddafi finish, the United States does not abandon its own, this is a fact that does not require confirmation)))))
In general, all these are political moves, as well as the transfer of the capital of Kazakhstan.
According to Andrey Kibrik, a leading researcher at the Institute of Linguistics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Astana's decision has no practical meaning, since the language functions quite effectively within the Cyrillic alphabet.
“This decision is in no way linguistically justified. There are no a priori advantages of the Latin script compared to the Cyrillic alphabet. This is an absolutely political question, there is no scientific subtext here, ”he explained.

[g1v2]

This would have happened without the Americans. All the former Soviet republics are building their independent countries. In order to exclude the return to Russia as much as possible, national elites need to separate their countries as far as possible. They’re unlikely to live better than in the USSR. Plus, a significant number of Russian and Russian-speaking residents. This means that the people will have a question - the fig is such independence. Therefore, the local elites need to drive their population that the Russians are completely different and always oppressed this local population. And now, of course, it has become poorer, but on the other hand, freedom from the bloody Russian state.
Some elites are smart enough and understand that without friendship with the Russian Federation, their economy will be bad and people will feel it. So it will be dissatisfied. Therefore, they are either neatly friends with the Russian Federation or trying to play multi-vector, simultaneously looking for a new sponsor.
Of course, it is not the Americans, but the natural desires of local elites to isolate their specific principality from the common civilizational Russian space. Kazakhstan is no exception.

[Sirocco]

There is no doubt about the so-called Elite. The question is, who pulls the strings of this elite? Both Kazakhs and ours? Where do they keep the Elite)))) stock? Right abroad. Who is primarily interested in the situation of the separation of the former republics? Divide and rule, who is acting like that now? The answer suggests itself. Now, there is no doubt that there are literate people about the elite of the East and its mental abilities, but as life showed, in the person of Telman Ismailov, he could not competently conduct business, he worked undercover, so to speak, he robbed as soon as he separated from the feeder, everything the businessman was blown away because he had nothing to do with entrepreneurship. And we have a lot of them.
So the elite is not our rear, but our first selling skins that will sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver from the US Federal Reserve. In the hope that they will pass the cup of anger from the Rabotodalel Zaluzhny)))))
In the future, look at the negative scenario, then the republics of Central Asia, in the event of the collapse of Russia, expects a poor existence, as in Africa. They will throw grub and beads for the resources and heads of their fellow tribesmen. Something like this.
Especially if you look at the situation in Afghanistan and what the USA is up to. So this is a deflection, in the hope that they will be carried, but no, there will be a robbery, and the Sharia courts (((((

[g1v2]

Elites always think that they are the smartest. And seek their own benefit. And the task of the state and its hands is to explain to her that the interests of the state are the interests of the elite too. That only a strong state can provide the elite with its capital and influence. What Putin does by consistently explaining to business and officials that only within the country will they be protected provided that they follow the interests of the state. And abroad, they stupidly take away everything in any case.
Hysteria regarding the elite is also stupid, since these are representatives of all sectors of society that have risen to a certain level. That is, the colonel of any department is already an elite. PhD, too. The owner of a medium-sized business, too. Mid-level official too. Without them, there is no state. But if there is no state, there will be no people. He is simply assimilated by stronger neighbors and will be appropriated by everything that belongs to him. This is a normal historical process.
The elite is needed, but the state is obliged to educate, direct and control it. It was the Soviet elites that destroyed the country when the state lost control of them. Tagged was only the Golden Calf Vice Chairman. The dismantling of the country and the building was carried out by hundreds of people. But these same elites at one time, under the leadership of Stalin, carried out industrialization and won the war.
Dialectics, however.

[igor1981]

Quote: Crowe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

Kazakhs are certainly not Europeans, judging by the ethnic group. But if you look at it geographically, then Kazakhstan has a little European territory, the right bank of the Ural (Yaik) river, which they gave them, either Lenin, or Stalin. Some other northerly and northeast were also given. territory of present Kazakhstan.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: igor1981

Kazakhstan has a little European territory, the right bank of the Ural (Yaik) river, which they gave them, either Lenin, or Stalin.

- Yes, Stalin gave them ALL of Kazakhstan. And there was nothing at all. Well, no one thought that in our country the Gorbachev would come to power!

[figwam]

And now on their land there is a military biological laboratory of the United States, not controlled by Kazakhstan. Now they are under the United States.

[Loess]

Quote: Crowe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

I can also teach you geography, but if you have problems with humor, then this, of course, is not for me.

[dorz]

Quote: Less

Quote: Crowe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

I can also teach you geography, but if you have problems with humor, then this, of course, is not for me.

Geographically, 5% of Kazakhstan is located in Europe.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Crowe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

Based on the generally accepted concepts of "Europeanness", Kazakhs are more Europeans than the neighboring Svidomo misunderstanding.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Crowe

Quote: Less

CE Europe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

and here the question is perhaps in geography ?? sense to switch from Cyrillic to Latin? would switch to hieroglyphs right away ... otherwise this desire to enter “civilized” Europe directly reaches senility. Letters prevented something?

During the awarding of the winners of the presidential prize “Altyn Sapa” (“Golden Quality”) [December 8, 2016], the Kazakh leader said: “During the time of tsarist Russia, all the wealth from the land was taken out, but we just had to dig up the ground and forced us to swallow dust. We even had no roads inside the country. And now you saw which railway was launched? And before this was not, because we were a colony. "

At the same time, he emphasized that, unlike in the past, Astana now owns oil, gas, gold and silver. “This is our wealth, which is in our pocket; no one will take it. We should not swallow dust behind foreign countries, this is not our way, ”Nazarbayev said.

The question is what happened on the territory of Kazakhstan during the imperial era of Russia and was there such a country?
here is the help

In 1718, the Kazakh Khanate, under the blows of the Dzungars, was divided into three Zhuz (Hordes), which were ruled by their khans: the Elder Zhuz (southern), the Middle Zhuz (northeast) and the Junior Zhuz (western).

In 1710, 1728 and 1729, the militias of the Kazakh tribes defeated the Dzungarian armies, but raids from the east continued, turning into a "great calamity." In these conditions, the rulers began to seek support from Russia. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the Russian administration began to introduce a direct management system in Kazakhstan.

After the death of the khans of the Middle Zhuz Bukei (1815) and Vali (1819), the tsarist government liquidated the khan's power. In 1822, the Speransky Charter on Siberian Kirghiz was introduced (as the Kazakhs were called in Russia), which provided for the creation of eight "outer districts" divided into volosts, and these, in turn, consisted of auls. In 1824, the liquidation of the khan’s power in the Younger Zhuz followed, divided into three parts, headed by the sultans-rulers. Thus, the rights of the feudal nobility and tribal elders were limited.

Since the 1860s, the territory of modern Kazakhstan has been divided between several administrative units of the Russian Empire. The northwestern regions were part of the Turgai and Ural regions (formed in 1868), the southwest regions were part of the Transcaspian region (1882), the north-eastern regions were part of the Steppe Governor General, which consisted of Semipalatinsk (1854) and Akmola ( 1868) areas.

During the Great Patriotic War, over 400 plants and factories from the center of Russia were evacuated to Kazakhstan, on the basis of which local industry grew. New cities and villages, roads and bridges were built.

In 1960-1980, a powerful industrialization was carried out in the republic, as a result of which large enterprises were built in Almaty, Pavlodar, Karaganda, Ekibastuz and other cities. During these years, construction detachments were sent to Kazakhstan from all universities of the Soviet Union.

RIA News https://ria.ru/world/20081216/157322848.html

good dust remained in Kazakhstan ...

[Brother Fox]

Quote: Yuyuka

otherwise this desire to enter “civilizational” Europe directly reaches senility. Letters prevented something?

It's not just letters and Europe. In this way, ethnic hatred is incited. Like: Kazakhstan a la Europe, now you can keep your head taller.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Brother Fox

Quote: Yuyuka

otherwise this desire to enter “civilizational” Europe directly reaches senility. Letters prevented something?

It's not just letters and Europe. In this way, ethnic hatred is incited. Like: Kazakhstan a la Europe, now you can keep your head taller.

here the dog just rummaged and burrowed ... slowly, without sudden movements ... in the Eastern wise, like the Chinese, they silently do their job. At first they squeezed out the majority of Russians, now they will raise the national self-awareness. The next step (like the great ukrov) is the Golden Horde and its influence on the emergence of the Russian Empire. As a result of a great journey, for example - flights into space. And there is nothing to argue with - who rents Baikonur from whom? While this is only nonsense ... although ... looking at Ukraine, you begin to fear a lot - history is such a thing ... depending on the writer, it changes along with the line of power

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Yuyuka

the next step (like the great ukrov) the Golden Horde and its influence on the emergence of the Russian Empire

Why do we consider Shyngyskhan a Kazakh. Undeniable evidence

[already a Muscovite]

Genghis Khan was an Indian, and his name was Genghis Kachkuk .... It's just that Russian historians distorted everything to evil ...

[EvilLion]

And poverty with the "toilet" in the yurt. I love it. Only in this way should the nationality be crushed, let it be bent.

[avt]

Quote: Crowe

Kazakhs are Europeans?

To the captain, mana. To ,, the last sea "is preparing to lead his people. So it’s getting ready so that his batyrs are not afraid of new letters. But seriously, he’ll fall in love with his education. But this is their completely independent business.

[jovanni]

Quote: Crowe

Quote: Less

CE Europe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

It’s with geography that ...

[Berkut24]

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

I must remind you of the many sayings of some Western politicians that, unlike Russia, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Chechnya are Europe. So Europe is where it has interests.

[RUSS]

Quote: Crowe

Quote: Less

CE Europe

What do you have with geography? Kazakhs are Europeans? Mdya, dvoechnik!

Part of the country in Europe part in Asia.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Crowe

Kazakhs are Europeans?

Duc, they think so. At least for the past few years, the Kazakh national football team has been playing in Europe (European Championship, World Cup), and clubs have played in the EURO Cups. Apparently, Europe is rubber.

[spiriolla-45]

Quote: Less

and vodka instead of vodka) ce Europe, fir-trees

I do not know what kind of geyropa there is, but the Kazakhs hurried with the Latin alphabet. It was necessary to immediately switch to Chinese characters, cheaper and hassle, with retraining, less.

[Looking Petrovich]

K'ymyz is pronounced in Kazakh. All Turks sooner or later go to the Latin alphabet: Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan have already moved in the 90s. This is an inevitable historical process.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

This is an inevitable historical process.

And you can in more detail - why the inevitable?

[Alf]

Quote: Pushkar

Quote: Looking Petrovich

This is an inevitable historical process.

And you can in more detail - why the inevitable?

And what does it give?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

All Turks sooner or later go to Latin: This is an inevitable historical process

So, the next step is the transition to Catholicism, under the wing of the Vatican. "The world was turning into glass, the world was becoming different ..." (c)

[Dedall]

Looking Petrovich, like this koumiss, whatever you call it - it's all the same disgusting. When he served, he always treated the diarrhea that soldiers earned from using it. As for the Latin alphabet, there were already posts about signs about the experience of Uzbekistan at the HE.
And in general, drawing a trend line for the next 5-7 years, I will say that writing will not be needed at all in these republics because of a decrease in the literacy of the population. I am writing this because, during my studies in Moscow in 2015, I worked in a polyclinic for admission to work. The main contingent there is Asians. They hardly sign now.

[dorz]

Quote: Less

Kazakhstan is a rich country ... Switching to Latin is not a cheap pleasure ... I think so.

No more expensive than building a new capital in the steppe.

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: dorz

No more expensive than building a new capital in the steppe.

If only in the steppe ... In the salt marshes! There’s not even a metro to build ...

[RUSS]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Quote: dorz

No more expensive than building a new capital in the steppe.

If only in the steppe ... In the salt marshes! There’s not even a metro to build ...

Do they need it? Metro?

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: RUSS

Do they need it? Metro?

They’re building a monorail - my office did geological surveys for it in Astana ... And the metro would be built, if possible - prestige ...

[Zogak]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

They’re building a monorail - my office did geological surveys for it in Astana ... And the metro would be built, if possible - prestige ...

Not a monorail, but LRT

[Alf]

Quote: RUSS

Do they need it? Metro?

Listen, darago! Why do we need the metro, the ass hook is full.

[Dr_engie]

Did you go to school at all? What other steppe?
There is a desert-semi-desert zone. The steppe is in Ukraine, in the steppe is fertile land, chernozems.
Fuck you guys.

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Dr_Engie

Did you go to school at all? What other steppe?
There is a desert-semi-desert zone. The steppe is in Ukraine, in the steppe is fertile land, chernozems.
Fuck you guys.

Went: Tselinograd - the capital of Tselin in the desert !!!

[mkop]

But for how long they will remember him after that. To speak all kinds of words about him ... But he would not have approved it, then an ordinary president, of whom there are hundreds.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Thrall

Now Nursultan Aebishuly NAZARBAEV will drink instead of koumiss - kumis?

In one word you have to be able to swear twice ...

[Slovak]

Quote: Thrall

Now Nursultan Aebishuly NAZARBAEV will drink instead of koumiss - kumis?

Could make it easier - 10 icons. And koumiss - draw a mare over a bucket and next to a circle with a bracket (smiling Kazakh)

[Victor N]

This is an aggressive act against Russian culture. So - ENEMY.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Less

Kazakhstan is a rich country ... Switching to Latin is not a cheap pleasure ... I think so.

still say that it is difficult !!! the Uzbeks have already experienced and howl now from the chaos with letters !!!

[silverwolf88]

The creeping struggle with Russia and Russia continues ... the fruits of Europeanization will not take long ... I think about 10 years ... and there will be a complete separation of cultures ... a new generation will be brought up ... far from the cultural perception of us as allies ...

[ochakow703]

Lord, what do we care about them! We ourselves cannot cope with our own insanity. So what the hell did you need to rename the police to the police, did they start working better, or we have more money than in Kazakhstan, and bring a bunch of all sorts of stupid Anglicisms into our circulation. In the words of the unforgettable Mikhail Zadornov - "The mayor of Uryupinsk - sounds proud!" I’ll get off right away, write two outstanding letters of Comrade Lavrov, and they will ban me forever. And just bursting! Or maybe go to the Latin alphabet, the moderators will not immediately catch ...

[Nitochkin]

The police is something popular, and the police - well, what can I say, policemen, they are policemen in Africa too.

[co-creator]

Quote: ochakow703

So what the hell did you need to rename the police to the police, did they start working better, or we have more money than in Kazakhstan, and bring a bunch of all sorts of stupid Anglicisms into our circulation.

Is the police a type of Russian word?
When viewed from the point of view of common sense, it was renamed correctly. The police are city guards. The militia is an armed people, you can say the militia.

[k174oun7]

The police are people's armed formations to protect the people, and the police are part of the state machine to maintain the power of the oppressive elite. So, DAM brought the names of the repressive body in accordance with its purpose.

[ochakow703]

But I did not go into the origin of these words. For me, the most important thing is that it was terribly expensive, and most importantly, pointless in terms of the effectiveness of their work.

[Alf]

Quotation: blooded man

Is the police a type of Russian word?

And the police were originally pronounced as a city policy in Greek.
The word "cop" is in English.
Even more "Russian" word.

[co-creator]

Quote: Alf

And the police were originally pronounced as a city policy in Greek.

Yes, I know . Therefore, the police is a more accurate word than the police for the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Quote: Alf

The word "cop" is in English.
Even more "Russian" word.

Well, thank God nobody in the Russian Federation calls police cops cops either. They don’t even call policemen, although there were such concerns.

[raw174]

Quote: ochakow703

Lord, what do we care about them!

I have a business, I have a border with Kazakhstan, 100 km from my house, and believe me, it’s blowing cool from there, oh how it’s blowing ... Maidan is just around the corner or how will it be in Kazakh? ..

Quote: ochakow703

Well, why the hell did you need to rename the police to the police

Since it would be more correct ... the police are a paramilitary education, and the police are city guards. But the essence of the renaming is not only the change of sign, in these bodies a big shake-up has passed ... Now there is a rare exception to the booze in the departments and the bugging traffic cops, it’s become stricter there and expelled for the slightest flight. In general, there are more orders of law and order inside the police than in the police.

[already a Muscovite]

The usual lesson of the Russian language, the teacher explains to children the rule "Zhi-Shi write with the letter and", all would be fine, but her name is Shyntasova Shynar Shyngysovna from the city of Shymkent, Zhylybay district.
ps
If Kazakh names and surnames may violate the rules of the Russian language, then the Mongolian also censorship.
Thought: So this is what they intended to switch to the Latin alphabet. They are tired of the ji-shi rule!

[electrooleg]

But it happens. Themselves stick in the wheels stick to drive slower.

[Vita vko]

Quote: elektroleg

Themselves stick in the wheels stick to slower ride

The transition to the Latin alphabet is associated with a high level of digitalization in Kazakhstan. It is humiliating and inconvenient to make stickers on the keyboard, and font translators are not cheap.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vita VKO

It's humiliating and inconvenient to make keyboard stickers

Oh how! Have you seen how some sounds of the Kazakh language are written in Latin? A bunch of superscripts and letter combinations. Write in Latin letters (without stickers) the word K'ymyz (koumiss). For many years (and you, judging by the post, too) have been using the clave with Cyrillic stickers, and I have never felt any humiliation and discomfort.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vita VKO

It is vile and inconvenient to make stickers on the keyboard, and font translators are not cheap.

I especially liked about translators

[Alf]

Quote: elektroleg

Themselves stick in the wheels stick to drive slower.

Putin will be to blame.

[Teberii]

Kazakhs’s personal file, how to write, Nazarbayev’s independence will not suffer.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Teberii

Kazakhs’s personal file, how to write, Nazarbayev’s independence will not suffer.

Right We even read in Cyrillic, even in Latin, all the same one, as they say, HR___! We don’t understand anything. Kazakhs need, even if they are struggling with this transition. From the change of these letters they are no closer, they will not get farther from anyone. It seems to me, as always, the principle will prevail - a good person would be.

[co-creator]

Quote: AlexVas44

It seems to me, as always, the principle will prevail - a good person would be.

We do not care Russians, but Russian citizens of Kazakhstan have a difference. If now they are learning Kazakh in Cyrillic they can read the correct pronunciation of sounds, words, but now this will not work. That is, the gap between the Russians and the Kazakhs will widen. In fact, this is a hidden squeezing of the Russian-speaking population from the country, specifically youth. Well. and when there is no Russian, the principle "if there were a good man" would be an ordinary meme.

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

If now they are learning Kazakh in Cyrillic they can read the correct pronunciation of sounds, words, but now this will not work.

why it won’t work out ?? Russians both in Russia and abroad know the Latin alphabet no worse than the Cyrillic alphabet.
The absolute majority do not know the language.
So why will it get worse if they, knowing the Latin alphabet, can’t learn Kazakh, and knowing the Cyrillic alphabet they don’t know Kazakh))) This is really funny.
In the same Azerbaijan, the Russians quickly learned Azerbaijani in both Cyrillic and Latin, and in contrast to the Kazakh Russians, who are not Azerbaijani, the Russians work mainly in the field of accounting and paperwork i.e. people have a high level of knowledge of Azerbaijan. Although Russians basically speak Russian both among themselves and with Azerbaijanis.
The approach of Kazakhstan was initially wrong, it was just necessary to create an environment in which without knowledge of the state language NOWHERE and even there the hieroglyphs enter quickly learn to speak. And the Russians were created the conditions of existence in the state without knowledge of the language of the state. Of course, no one will learn this language, especially the peoples of the imperial type, like Russians. These are Armenians, Northern Azerbaijanis and others, even without the need to learn the language of a neighbor. This will not last with the imperial peoples.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

In addition, most Russians hate Kazakhs

you lured with your nonsense about hatred, if you communicate with Russians in real life as well as here, then why they hate PERSONALLY YOU understand, but do not project this onto all Kazakhs

Quote: Zogak

Apparently you can not do without Gaster, so nothing will change for you.

you will be surprised but we can, the problem is different, Uzbeks and Tajiks cannot do without Russia

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you lured with your nonsense about hatred, if you communicate with Russians in real life as well as here, then why they hate PERSONALLY YOU understand, but do not project this onto all Kazakhs

Personally, no one hates me. You lured with your hypocrisy.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you got into your head and rush about it like a victim

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

So for this you need an incentive this time. How many Russians are there in Azerbaijan?

150 thousand. By the way, it is also necessary to take into account Ukrainians, Tatars and others who knew only the Russian language. In percentage terms, this is the same as Azerbaijanis in Russia.

Quotation: blooded man

Kazakhs, by their mentality, remained nomads, but you are Europeans and your approach is European.

So, in our country, Russian, too, will not be able to take a high state debt. But bookkeeping and paperwork are not in this series.

Quotation: blooded man

How can you fundamentally speak Russian in Azerbaijan. with azerbaijan Well, no need to compose fairy tales.

These are not fairy tales, but reality. Russians only in Baku and in the village of Ivanovo. In Baku, EVERYONE almost knows Russian. And for example, in Azale, and this is an analogue of Aeroflot, mainly Russians work and the head of this is Azerbaijanian, who speaks his native language worse than Russians .And there is Russian clanism. Aunt Lyuba leaves, granddaughter Vera comes, etc. And Russians mostly speak Russian with Azerbaijanis. By the way, the same topic comes with the Turks. The Turk comes, and they begin to speak in their dialect))) And it makes the Turks a little richer, since it’s hard for them to master the more book Azerbaijani, so to speak, and they complain that they cannot learn Azerbaijan at a higher level, and the Azerbaijanis living in Azerbaijan speak Turkish better than the Turks themselves in Turkey)))) we are a tolerant people))

Quotation: blooded man

If you Eraz in the Russian Federation blocked the opportunity to occupy leadership positions in state. organs, then you would not learn Russian. I don’t speak about science because it is all in Russian.

Nooooo. We are already forbidden to occupy certain positions in law enforcement agencies, plus local nationalism. Everything is not so beautiful. But after all, private activity is all in Russian. And in Kazakhstan you can bypass in the private sphere without a state language. Try without Russian in Russia fully exist. It won’t work. And it won’t work in Azerbaijan. And Russians, like other nations in the USA, like the Ghetto, can exist separately within the state. In Russia, this won’t work.

Quotation: blooded man

.Russian perfectly learn languages ​​in different countries starting from the USA and ending with Azerbaijan (you said that), but in Kazakhstan all of a sudden all became imperials and refuse to learn the local language. Are the Russians despised by the Kazakhs?

The point is not in the charity of the Kazakhs, but in the people themselves. The Russians also do not know the language in the Baltic states, also do not know it in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and even in the same Ukraine and still resisted it. Although the Slavic language should have been at the highest level, but the process was the opposite. Therefore, apart from Azerbaijan, it’s everywhere. The mentality plays a role. In Russia, even in my school, where there were all Russian nations, they knew more words in Azerbaijani than in other languages.

Quotation: blooded man

Come on, lying, in Georgia, Armenians and Azerbaijan. Mostly do not know Georgian in places of compact residence. Saakashvili also raised this issue.

Yes, but it was not the fault of Azerbaijanis and Armenians. In Tbilisi, for example, Georgian and Armenians and Azerbaijanis knew. But how to know Georgian, when starting from the border of Azerbaijan to Tbilisi in the ONE Azerbaijanis district, there were no physical Georgians TUPO, there were no teachers in Georgian either. As a result, only Azerbaijanis knew the language in Tbilisi, in regions neighboring Tbilisi, where the population was 50-50. People knew there. Saakashvili began to send teachers to these regions and the veil was already enough for the younger generation to speak the state vein.
The same with the Armenians, the Armenians in Karabakh and Baku knew Azerbaijan very well.
And here Azerbaijanis in Armenia in a scanty amount. Since they lived in the village in the mountains mainly, Armenians in the cities. Those who studied with the Armenians or there was a neighboring Armenian village knew, by the way, in this case, the Armenians themselves in Armenia knew Azerbaijan.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

150 thousands

And there is a minimum of 3,5 million. Do you understand the difference?

Quote: Yeraz

So, in our country, Russian, too, will not be able to take a high state debt. But bookkeeping and paperwork are not in this series.

So the Russians in the Azerbaijan SSR also never held high positions. Russians were like specialists. In Kazakhstan, Russians have always been in leadership positions since there were up to 40% of the population, millions of them.
Russian may be the chief accountant in a state company?

Quote: Yeraz

These are not fairy tales, but reality.

That's bullshit Do you understand the meaning of the word "fundamentally"? This means when I speak to you in Russian and you know him, you will still answer me fundamentally in your own language. So normal, adequate people will not do. If the Russians still live with you. then they are normal and adequate.

Quote: Yeraz

Nah. We are already forbidden to take certain positions in the power structures, plus local nationalism. Everything is not so beautiful.

Well, you are not an indigenous people, this must be taken into account. But for example, Azerbaijanis occupy the head of the police department, the commander of the ship, company, regiment. This is very incentive to learn Russian even better than local ones. For example, the Tatars and Bashkirs are indigenous people (like the Russians in Kazakhstan), so they occupy posts right up to ministerial posts.

Quote: Yeraz

.And in Kazakhstan, you can bypass in the private sphere without the state language. Try without Russian in Russia to fully exist. It will not work.

So non-Kazakhs in 89 was 60%, and now 40%. In the Russian Federation, 80% of Russians, BUT FOR EXAMPLE in Chechnya, Tuva, can do without Russian freely. Moreover, in Bashkiria and Tatarstan there is a village where they still speak exclusively their native language.

Quote: Yeraz

And Russians, like other nations in the USA, like the Ghetto, can exist separately within the state

In the ghetto, of course they can. Only this is existence, not life. History shows that it was impossible to create Russian ghettos anywhere. The same Brighton has long been "Russian" only in name.

Quote: Yeraz

The point is not in the charity of the Kazakhs, but in the people themselves. The Russians also do not know the language in the Baltic states, nor do they know it in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and even the same

Where do you get this nonsense? In the Baltic countries, all young people and the middle generation know local languages ​​very well.
In Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan the same system as in Kazakhstan, Russians are not allowed in state. structure, and the Russian language is enough to live with interest. There is no incentive. Minimal knowledge of local languages ​​Russians have.

Quote: Yeraz

even in the same Ukraine they still resisted this. Although the Slavic language should have been at the highest level, the process was the other way around.

It’s funny. Even laziness to answer this stupidity. There are no problems with understanding and knowledge of the Ukrainian language among Russians, just a mov in Ukraine is not needed by anyone. In everyday life, 80% of Ukrainians speak Russian.

Quote: Yeraz

Here, mentality plays a role.

In short, Russians in Asian countries have a different mentality. Everywhere they learn languages, but here the mentality does not allow.

Quote: Yeraz

Yes, but it was not the fault of Azerbaijanis and Armenians. In Tbilisi, for example, Georgian and Armenians and Azerbaijanis knew. But how to know Georgian, when starting from the border of Azerbaijan to Tbilisi in the ONE Azerbaijanis district, there were no physical Georgians TUPO, there were no teachers in Georgian either.

That is, here you are not to blame, but the Russians in Kazakhstan are to blame. Russophobia, no?

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

That is, here you are not to blame, but the Russians in Kazakhstan are to blame. Russophobia, no?

I couldn’t get it right. First of all, the Kazakhs themselves were to blame, the wines of the Russians a second time. Would create the necessary conditions, would learn.

Quotation: blooded man

Well, you are not an indigenous people, this must be taken into account.

not quite. In Dagestan, Azerbaijanis are indigenous people and even in the constitution of Dagestan, Azerbaijan is 1 out of 14 ethnic peoples of Dagestan and takes 7th place.
But others yes.

Quotation: blooded man

For example Tatars and Bashkirs indigenous people

but personally, I don’t know the Tatar Bashkir Muslim in this area at the top. Either a Christian or a Russian wife, and more often both together. Maybe you know.
But in the FSB, there are Azerbaijanis and Chechens at high posts, there are more of them than Armenians, for example, or Georgians. But they are all with Russian names and surnames. Not Christians, but you can call them Muslims. Typical Soviet generation of my parents, in words Muslims in fact have never even passed a mosque in their life)))

Quotation: blooded man

Do you understand the meaning of the word "fundamentally"? This means when I speak to you in Russian and you know him, you will still answer me fundamentally in your language

And this is happening. But until the second time. But for the most part, Russian will respond to your Azerbaijani in Russian and the Azerbaijani will speak Russian. But not with the Russian-speaking people or after the first time speaking Azerbaijani, the Russian will speak Azerbaijani clearly.
The Russians not only adapted in the language, but also in their behavior, plus this is the Baku accent I hate))))) Yes, people speak grammatically better than in Russia itself, but the Baku accent .... It cuts ears.


there even Bakinets who left for television in Russia, understands, but speaks Russian)))
Emin Agalarov is exactly the same in terms of Azerbaijanis, who, knowing their native language, speak Russian stubbornly anyway. Sometimes it happens funny Russian or Russian-speaking speaks Russian, Azerbaijani speaks his own and there is such a dialogue))) perverts, each with 50% each. They say in the former Baku, in general, a proposal for 30% from Azeri is 30% Russian, 20% Armenian and the rest could happen)))

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

I couldn’t get it right. First of all, the Kazakhs themselves were to blame, the wines of the Russians a second time. Would create the necessary conditions, would learn.

That's right. For 3 million people of the indigenous population to want to learn the Kazakh language and speak it, they must be admitted to the state. service. If this does not happen, then the Kazakh language is not needed from the word at all. There is no literature on it, there are no films, science is also all either Russian or Western. Private business is easier to conduct in Russian since a lot of it is tied to the Russian market. Educated Kazakhs themselves know Russian very well and prefer to speak it.

Quote: Yeraz

.In Dagestan, Azerbaijanis are indigenous people, and even in the constitution of Dagestan, Azerbaijan is 1 out of 14 teaching peoples of Dagestan and takes 7th place.

Quote: Yeraz

but personally, I don’t know the Tatar Bashkir Muslim in this area at the top. Either a Christian or a Russian wife, and more often both together. Maybe you know.

Most recently, the Minister of the Interior of Bashkirs was. Now in the government of Nabiulin, a Tatar and one more.
And what is religion here?

Quote: Yeraz

But in the FSB, there are Azerbaijanis and Chechens at high posts, there are more of them than Armenians, for example, or Georgians.

You see, and above they wrote that they did not let me in, they did not give me. Why are you lying?

Quote: Yeraz

. All of them with Russian names and surnames. Not Christians, but you’ll call them Muslims. Typical Soviet generation of my parents, in words, Muslims in fact have never even passed a mosque in their life)))

Something I didn’t hear that the Armenians would change their surnames. For the rest I don’t know, but due to the change of surname the nationality does not change.
And why do we need in the army, the FSB, etc. faithful Muslims? We have a secular state. Such comrades should not be allowed into power at all. Here you either perform prayers or are engaged in the state and nothing else. In the same way, with Christians, either you bow and observe posts or you build a state.
We have one region where religion is merged with the state and honestly this will not end in anything good. Another 10-15 years of such a policy and Grozny will again have to be erased from the face of the earth.

Quote: Yeraz

But not with a Russian-speaking person or a person who speaks Azerbaijani for the first time, of course, Russian will speak Azerbaijani.

That is, the Russians have no "principled" position not to speak Azerbaijani. People respect each other and speak the language that is more convenient for them and that the interlocutor knows.

Quote: Yeraz

Sometimes it happens amusingly Russian or Russian-speaking speaks Russian, Azerbaijani is his own and here is such a dialogue)))

This is a normal occurrence. At home it is always easier to convey your thought.

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

Most recently, the Minister of the Interior of Bashkirs was. Now in the government of Nabiulin, a Tatar and one more.
And what is religion here?

What kind of minister is Bashkir ?? Nuprgaliyev was, he is a Christian. Shoigu is the same.
You may be a passive Muslim, but that will be a restriction at such a high level.

Quotation: blooded man

You see, and above they wrote that they did not let me in, they did not give me. Why are you lying?

Well, yes, Azerbaijani Ahmed Ahmed Akhmedov will not be allowed, but if in the documents he says that he is Ivan Ivanov and the Russians by nation, then he will rise.

Quotation: blooded man

Something I didn’t hear that the Armenians would change their surnames. For the rest I don’t know, but due to the change of surname the nationality does not change.

even how the Baghdasarovs changed, etc. And if the owner of the magnet Sergey Galitsky, if I’m not mistaken, he has a surname Arutunyan, and he took his wife’s surname. It’s just that Armenians have higher access than the Muslims of the Caucasians.

Quotation: blooded man

And why do we need in the army, the FSB, etc. faithful Muslims?

but what does the faithful have to do with it? Am I faithful? The only difference from my father, I don’t drink, I don’t pronounce the name of Allah with vodka in my hand and I know the difference between Shiite, Sunni and Sufi and the meaning of Muslim rites. These all components can be like an atheist , so the Christian. But for me, because of my de facto Islam, access is denied to certain structures, but if I change my name and surname and religion, the more doors.
But all this will be more embittered. Since the Russian population is stupidly decreasing, Azerbaijanis are mingling with Russians, i.e. my relative will take Russian as my wife from me already Ruus relatives, plus Russians from the university and from school, who will pull you up, but with a reservation. This is in fact now, but there will be more. Unless, of course, Patrushev is not removed. He opened the doors for Azerbaijanis to the FSB and there are many Azerbaijanis among his proxies. The person from the Kolokoltsev series will deteriorate. With his arrival, Azerbaijanis were severely limited in admission to the university of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and in the structure itself.

Quotation: blooded man

This is a normal occurrence. At home it is always easier to convey your thought.

what thought and to whom depends.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

What kind of minister is Bashkir ?? Nuprgaliyev was, he is a Christian. Shoigu is the same.

I have never seen that he would bow down to the earth and call to believe in Jesus Christ. Do you have such a video, please show me. In fact, he is a Bashkir who became Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Seeing this Bashkirs, normal Bashkirs themselves strive to study, and various Muslim Natsiks go to ISIS.

Quote: Yeraz

You may be a passive Muslim, but that will be a restriction at such a high level.

Are you a Muslim fanatic or what? I write to you again - we have a secular state. All fans of Allah and Jesus to the mosque and temple, and not in the state. management.

Quote: Yeraz

even how the Baghdasarovs changed, etc. And if the owner of the magnet Sergey Galitsky, if I’m not mistaken, he has a surname Arutunyan, and he took his wife’s surname. It’s just that Armenians have higher access than the Muslims of the Caucasians.

Well, personally ask why the Baghdasarovs changed their name, for example Baghramyan did not change.
Have you seen Galitsky on your face? Ordinary European. Apparently for this he changed his last name.
Well, if for you religion is first of all, then of course you will always have less access to the top.

Quote: Yeraz

Well, yes, Azerbaijani Ahmed Ahmed Akhmedov will not be allowed, but if in the documents he says that he is Ivan Ivanov and the Russians by nation, then he will rise.

Stupidity. Akhmed Akhmedov can freely reach the middle management level and even to the general in the army, for example. For the rest, of course, in a country where 80% of Russians Akhmedovs cannot officially hold the highest posts, otherwise this can lead to very bad consequences. This is normal.
The thing is different, the Akhmedovs do not seek to serve. they want to live well.

Quote: Yeraz

and what have the faithful to do with it? Am I a true believer?

So I ask, you raise a question of religion.

Quote: Yeraz

But because of my de facto Islam, access to certain structures is closed for me, but if I change my name and surname and religion, the more doors.

Specifically, where you were denied access? Where did you go around the service?

Quote: Yeraz

Unless of course Patrushev is removed. He opened the door for Azerbaijanis to the FSB and there are many Azerbaijanis among his proxies. The person from the Kolokoltsev series will deteriorate. With his arrival, Azerbaijanis were severely limited both in entering the Ministry of Internal Affairs University and in the structure itself.

Well, I hope that Patrushev will be removed. If he pulls up people like you in the FSB, then the country will end.
Honestly, you write nonsense that I write off to your Turkic nationalism.

Quote: Yeraz

As the Russian population is stupidly decreasing,

Well, this is a long wait for you.

Quote: Yeraz

Azerbaijanis mix with Russians, i.e. my relative will take Russian as my wife, I already have Ruus relatives, plus Russians from the university and from school, who will pull you up, but with a reservation.

Well, your grandchildren will have little to do with Azerbaijan. Is it good for you or not? I honestly don’t know. This is not reflected at all in the Russian Federation and Russians.

Quote: Yeraz

what thought and to whom depends.

Anyone and everyone.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Zogak

Firstly, the Russians from Azerbaijan probably do not hate the indigenous ones like our Russians

probably.

Quote: Zogak

secondly you always had less of them

Well, compared to you, yes. And they said so about Baku in Azerbaijan. Baku is the capital of Azerbaijan, but not Azerbaijanis.

Quote: Zogak

thirdly, they always understood that they are newcomers in your country and we will directly speak - invaders.

you would have this too, but the problem is in a single border. That is, the Russian sees the Russian border there and also Russians on the other side. We had them in Baku, that is, they did not live in the bordering region, and even more so on the other side. Azerbaijanis and other Muslim peoples lived again, the Russians were already in large numbers in the western part of the Caucasus. That is, the unity of space that you have was not felt. We had this enclave divorced from the main one, so the thinking was appropriate.
Plus, the Azerbaijanis in the 90s, when the Slavic tanks got up and were moved (there were not a single Muslim), the Russians saw the determination of the Azerbaijanis and were shocked by the horror that their brothers with the civilian population did, since the Russians were killed in the time of these suppressions.
And Russians are actively assimilating in us, which you don’t have. If you are Russian, then the child will already be Azerbaijanian. And even if the husband, although this is very rare. But even in these marriages the child will be Azerbaijani.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

probably.

That is, do you think the Russians living in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan hate Uzbeks and Kazakhs? Why did they answer me directly to this question. Not good.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

SW Yeraz. There is a difference. Firstly, the Russians from Azerbaijan probably do not hate the indigenous ones like our Russians

Yes, you have a persecution mania, your face was filled in due time, or something, or a woman was taken away ?!

Quote: Zogak

but we couldn’t do this - the “brothers” would become indignant.

it’s just that everyone except the Kazakhs knew this language and spoke it and you yourself don’t know it in most cases, everyone speaks it except the Kazakhs, excuse me, but for modern Kazakhstan, Russians are the same state as a nation, like Kazakhs, if not more

[Piramidon]

Let at least go to hieroglyphs or cuneiform writing. Why should we raise? These are their sovereign problems. Let them now think how to draw up our interstate documents. The fact that they are going to write some sounds of the Kazakh language in Latin, not one of our officials will read.

[Teberii]

President - Mutko will send an ambassador.

[raw174]

Quote: Teberii

Kazakhs’s personal file, how to write, Nazarbayev’s independence will not suffer.

The personal is personal ... it’s not calm either, and not far from NATO and EU standards ...

[Teberii]

I understand your concern, but how much you can babysit with them. They wanted independence, let them now disentangle it. All of Russia fell apart and gathered, will happen again.

[raw174]

Quote: Teberii

how much can you babysit with them

With all the successes of the foreign policy of GDP, the events in Ukraine are a flaw in our foreign affairs agency, special services and other competent bodies. I do not want to get another Russophobian-pro-NATO center near by ...
Kazakhs are increasingly attracting alliance observers to military exercises, there was even talk of rebuilding their forces to NATO standards ... This cannot be allowed.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Teberii

Kazakhs personal file how to write

And the fact that there is a third of the Russian-speaking population does not bother you?

[Urantian]

Yes, even in Aramaic ... to us, to a light bulb, what is the Kazakhs alphabet ....

[Letun]

Quote: Urantian

Yes, even in Aramaic ... to us, to a light bulb, what is the Kazakhs alphabet ....

Here are the same "dolpochnochniki" slept in due time Ukraine. Fucking trend then. Do not you understand?

[ioan-e]

It's time to return to healthy imperial ambitions! Psheks are not embarrassed about restoring the Commonwealth's speech squealing, but are we worse?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It's time to return to healthy imperial ambitions! Psheks are not embarrassed about restoring the Commonwealth's speech squealing, but are we worse?

Russia has no imperial ambitions and there was no time ... Poland itself is to blame, how many times have they climbed to us ?! So they got it ... And then Stalin gave them 25% of the industrialized territory of Germany, although the Poles themselves at the initial stage were allies of Germany and in 1938 tore Czechoslovakia by launching a simultaneous attack on it along with the Germans and Hungarians ...

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Letun

Here are the same "dolpochnochniki" slept in due time Ukraine. Fucking trend then. Do not you understand?

And not only Ukraine, slept the whole country!

[AlexVas44]

Here are the same "dolpochnochniki" slept in due time Ukraine. Fucking trend then. Do not you understand? [/ Quote]
And what? And Ukraine in Latin?

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Letun

Here are the same "dolpochnochniki" slept in due time Ukraine. Fucking trend then. Do not you understand?

What? And Ukraine in Latin?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Letun

Here are the same "dolpochnochniki" slept in due time Ukraine. Fucking trend then. Do not you understand?

Do you have any specific suggestions? What now, to chop off Nazarbayev’s hands so that the decree would not be signed?

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Urantian

Yes, even in Aramaic ... to us, to a light bulb, what is the Kazakhs alphabet ....

That's because as you were, in life, to a light bulb, 40% of the population of Kazakhstan (Russians) have gone somewhere ... I now also live in Yekaterinburg ...

[Yuyuka]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Quote: Urantian

Yes, even in Aramaic ... to us, to a light bulb, what is the Kazakhs alphabet ....

That's because as you were, in life, to a light bulb, 40% of the population of Kazakhstan (Russians) have gone somewhere ... I now also live in Yekaterinburg ...

it is the ostrich policy "to the bulb" of Gorbachev and Yeltsin led to the fact that there are no allies left around us. If a fire in a multi-storey building - "to the bulb" is this how? It hardly matters what is happening behind the wall ...
They talk a lot about Ukraine, about Poland - about "de-communization." But he looked at the map of Shymkent - and there all the streets have Kazakh names. It is clear that their own country, they want to rename it, but nobody is raising a “wave” of something. And about the Russian speakers - in Shymkent in the first half of the 20th century there were half of Russians, according to the beginning of 2015 - about 11%.

[Antares]

Quote: Yuyuka

about Ukraine, about

Conclusion Ukraine is sacred.
In fact, no country is like the Russian Federation, like Ukraine. Differences are not very easy to understand all the same processes. Therefore, it is easy to distract attention with similar problems abroad.

[Yuyuka]

Conclusion Ukraine is sacred.

And Kazakhstan is a taboo! Tama Baikonur ...

[co-creator]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

40% of the population of Kazakhstan (Russians) have gone somewhere ...

First of all, this is the misfortune of the Russians, that is, you and I. 40% instead of uniting and protecting their homes, they simply screwed up. Only in Transnistria did the Russians protect themselves because Moldovan-Romanians are Europeans apparently.

[Yuyuka]

Quotation: blooded man

Quote: AllXVahhaB

40% of the population of Kazakhstan (Russians) have gone somewhere ...

First of all, this is the misfortune of the Russians, that is, you and I. 40% instead of uniting and protecting their homes, they simply screwed up. Only in Transnistria did the Russians protect themselves because Moldovan-Romanians are Europeans apparently.

Well, yes, in Transnistria they "defended themselves" ... especially when you consider that the Moldovan Europeans demand the withdrawal of peacekeepers I don’t remember that the peacekeepers were in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan ... and, as you say, people “screwed up” because there was no protection from Russia and how they could defend themselves from ordinary bandits secretly supported by the authorities or silently watching it ?? Russia, in the person of the president in the 90s, withdrew from the protection and support of the former allies, and even more so just abandoned their Russian speakers ... For them, even having citizenship was a problem out of problems! Moreover, it is Russian-speaking, not Russian-I know the Armenians who suffered and left there. All "non-native" according to their concepts were squeezed out ...

[co-creator]

Quote: Yuyuka

Well, yes, in Transnistria they "defended themselves" ... especially when you consider that the Moldovan Europeans demand the withdrawal of peacekeepers

Peacekeepers stopped the war there, and did not first introduce peacekeepers and then the war began. In Transnistria, it all started with an attack on civilians in "Russian" cities. People had two choices - to collect the dummies and to leave or to unite. They didn’t fight all over Transnistria by the way.

Quote: Yuyuka

than they were to defend themselves from ordinary bandits secretly supported by the authorities or silently watching this

Create fraternity as other nations do. Instead, they simply fled for 10 years.

Quote: Yuyuka

Russia in the person of the president in the 90s withdrew from the protection and support of the former allies, and even more so just abandoned their Russian speakers ..

Chechens both lived in Kazakhstan and still live, and no one could survive because they have fraternity.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quotation: blooded man

Create fraternity as other nations do. Instead, they simply fled for 10 years.

smart huh?

Quotation: blooded man

Chechens both lived in Kazakhstan and still live, and no one could survive because they have fraternity.

when a person begins to write on a topic of meaning which he does not understand it is annoying

[co-creator]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

smart huh?

Not .

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

when a person begins to write on a topic of meaning which he does not understand it is annoying

I spoke with Chechens on this subject and I know what I am writing about.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

about what???
Before writing, study the topic and the reasons for the formation of community groups.

[co-creator]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Before writing, study the topic and the reasons for the formation of community groups.

Why did you write this? I’m just curious why people give such answers to such a comment “I spoke on this topic with the Chechens and I know what I'm writing about”? Do you have something in your head or just can't understand the meaning of my answer?
If you know more, then write do not be shy.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

first we did not drink broodershaft
second, study the motivating causes to unite in fraternity, you will understand that they froze stupidity

[co-creator]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

second, study the motivating causes to unite in fraternity, you will understand that they froze stupidity

The reason to unite in fraternity is a lot, from oppression to tribal clan society.
For example, gypsies settle near the village and begin to bum on drugs. In some villages, people endure and whine, while in others, men gather and give 24 hours to leave the village.
When there were riots in Kyrgyzstan, Russian villages (villages) put up posts and were on duty themselves. No one was offended. At the same time, in the same Russian Federation, several Caucasian families, having settled in the towns and cities, begin to restore order and, in most cases, the Russians, instead of breaking the jugs, obey and suffer.

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

when a person begins to write on a topic of meaning which he does not understand it is annoying

Gentile stupid schoolboy.

[Brother Fox]

Quote: Urantian

Yes, even in Aramaic ... to us, to a light bulb, what is the Kazakhs alphabet ....

In Kazakhstan, not only Kazakhs live.

[Victor N]

It is important for yourself to understand: Kazakhstan is not our friend and not ally.

[Brother Fox]

And who is the friend? Why is Kazakhstan so bad?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Brother Fox

And who is the friend?

"and not a friend, and not an enemy, but ..."

[Babur_Imperat]

This gives a strong impetus to the transition to the Latin alphabet to the countries of Central Asia, in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, deputies in parliament proposed switching to the Latin alphabet, today Russia has little use for the elite of the Central Asian countries studying in Turkish lyceums in English and in universities in America, Europe and China, only one in China the region invests 70-80 billion dollars a year builds factories opens factories builds thermal power plants and gives loans for the purchase of machines for industry from Europe Korea and Japan also do not lag behind and they receive cheap uranium in return
Central Asia began to change the policy vector in the direction of China, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, the Russians themselves are to blame 70 years, millions of people have been deceiving you now no one in the world believes

[Same lech]

I don’t understand why he needs it ... and whether the Kazakh people really need it.
I don’t like Nazarbayev lately ... beautifully stealing about the rights of Russian-speaking people ... I probably didn’t ask the Russians if they needed this Latin ... she imposes everything on her own will ... and maybe not her own.

[Baloo]

And what, will the Latin help fight off frozen accounts in the US?

[Same lech]

And what, will the Latin help fight off frozen accounts in the US?

Perhaps for this he went to bow to TRUMP.

[Lopatov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I don’t understand why he needs it ..

And why did they build the capital from scratch?
I want something so outstanding ...


" ... sat at home and, as usual, did not know what to do with himself. I wanted something: either the constitution, or the stellar sturgeon with horseradish, or I would take it and strip someone ..."(c) Saltykov-Shchedrin

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Spade

And why did they build the capital from scratch?

This is understandable - he transferred the Capital to the lands of his jazz ...

[BVS]

Do not guess, just the opposite.

[Zogak]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Quote: Spade

And why did they build the capital from scratch?

This is understandable - he transferred the Capital to the lands of his jazz ...

Nazarbayev Southerner. The capital was moved mainly so that North Kazakhstan did not fall off.

[ioan-e]

And why did they build the capital from scratch?
I want something so outstanding ...

Well, the sea can start to dig, like some.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

I want something so outstanding ...

The glory of Peter I and Stalin does not give rest. Years go by and such a glorious fame to stay in history - no.

[masterovoy]

Nazarbayev needs to maintain the power of his clan, the likelihood of another color revolution in Kazakhstan is gradually growing, so he maneuvers, trying to prove his loyalty to Western "partners". This may delay the growing crisis for some time, but how much is the question?

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: masterovoy

Nazarbayev needs to maintain the power of his clan, the likelihood of another color revolution in Kazakhstan is gradually growing, so he maneuvers, trying to prove his loyalty to Western "partners". This may delay the growing crisis for some time, but how much is the question?

No question - Nazarbayev is not eternal, there is no continuity of power! As soon as it is gone (for any reason) - Ukraine will seem like flowers ...

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I probably didn’t ask the Russians if they needed this Latin ...

Kazakhs do not need it either. All Kazakh literature is in Cyrillic. Who will reprint it? No one!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Who will reprint it? No one!

it’s in vain that you will also fight for the right to reissue, there is such a loot

[EvilLion]

For the state account, only what nobody voluntarily reads will be republished.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: EvilLion

no one will read voluntarily.

and this is not necessary, the main thing is to reissue and get grandmas

[Victor N]

According to them, there is no book trade left. Like writers.
Because readers have disappeared

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Victor N

According to them, there is no book trade left.

but here the goal is different - to master the state loot

[avt]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Who will reprint it?

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Complaint

I would like to see how they will publish in Latin

Leningrad, my children!
The people of Leningrad, my pride!
To me in the stream of a steppe stream
The reflection of the Neva jet is visible.
If along the snow ridges
With a senile gaze, I glide
I see the vaults of your bridges,
The light of the Baltic blue,
Lanterns of evening swarms,
The gilded roofs of the point ...
Leningrad, my children!
The people of Leningrad, my pride!

Not then I lived,
That the robber smell stink;
It was not you, brothers, who served,
To climb a creeping reptile

[Humpty]

Quote: avt

I would like to see how they will publish in Latin

If necessary, Swahili
Complex sound and syllable plentiful
Rachel's grandchildren will learn purely
And folklore is composed by Swahili.

Quote: avt

To me in the stream of a steppe stream
The reflection of the Neva jet is visible.

Who is the author of these lines? Konstantin Simonov? Alexander Zhovtis?
However, we probably will never know for sure. But Dmitry Shostakovich nevertheless opened the veil of this secret. http://russianinterest.livejournal.com/1641138.ht
ml

[avt]

Quote: Humpty

Who is the author of these lines? Konstantin Simonov? Alexander Zhovtis?

Who translated? Who wrote down the Kazakh version before the translation? Really

Quote: Humpty

However, we probably will never know for sure.

As well as composing something about it or not, for memory. The whole poem is attributed to Homer, while he is blind, well, they also say.

Quote: Humpty

But Dmitry Shostakovich still slightly opened

Well, they are creators ..... authorities No human passions are alien to them and

If necessary, Swahili
Complex sound and syllable plentiful
Rachel's grandchildren will learn purely
And folklore is composed by Swahili.

They are notable mockingbirds and the last ones their Bakhtin’s theory is notably used in practice. In any case, I have not seen or heard documentary evidence .... from authoritative people. AND

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avt

Who wrote down the Kazakh version before the translation? Really

By the way, where can I find the KAZAKH original?

[avt]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

By the way, where can I find the KAZAKH original?

We pasavetovatsya with comrades and .. decided to hand over to a comrade .. Vasilenko will say for Kazakh Kazakh comrades in Latin in Kazakh such words - a rocket, a steam locomotive, a steamer and ... deer are better.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

obey comrade Marshall, allow me to

[avt]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

obey comrade Marshall, allow me to

This is ... harasho, when ... sovereigns are in success. Bring to execution.

[Yeraz]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Who will reprint it? No one!

There will be someone to republish. Both at the state and private levels, various Turkish and Azerbaijani structures, both private and public, will be connected. It will be easier for Kazakhstan in this respect. this way.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: The same Lech

I don’t understand why he needs it ... and whether the Kazakh people really need it.
I don’t like Nazarbayev lately ... beautifully stealing about the rights of Russian-speaking people ... I probably didn’t ask the Russians if they needed this Latin ... she imposes everything on her own will ... and maybe not her own.

The reason is clear; it lies on the surface. A clan sitting in power will be humane and kind-hearted to its neighbors, its own people, as long as it is overwhelmingly strong.
As soon as a competitor appears, threatening to take away power, the growth of nationalism and the crowding out of aliens immediately begin, and this tool works everywhere. At least take the United Arab Emirates.
We remember Uzbekistan in 90 years, relatively calm, when there was war in neighboring Tajikistan. We remember calm Kyrgyzstan, until a gang appeared there, which was going to take power away. The result is a military base for the Americans, and the replacement of the alphabet, and the withdrawal from agreements with Russia.

[Dormidont]

It’s necessary to think over the moves at least one step forward, and immediately switch to hieroglyphs

[Sands Careers General]

Apparently, the Kazakhs have nothing to do.

[Mountain shooter]

Deep in them is fear and reverence for everything Russian. They even try to get rid of "Russianness." And where will they go to those 6 million Russian-speaking people who are there? Out of 18 million?

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Deep in them is fear and reverence for everything Russian. They even try to get rid of "Russianness." And where will they go to those 6 million Russian-speaking people who are there? Out of 18 million?

1926 1939 1959 1970 1979 1989 1999 2009 2016
Kazakhs 58,52% 37,84% 30,02% 32,39% 36,02% 39,69% 53,40% 63,07% 66,48%
Russians 20,57% 39,97% 42,69% 42,42% 40,80% 37,82% 29,96% 23,70% 20,61%
And where did they go before?
The trend is on the face ...

[Naughty]

Where in Kazakhstan are 18 million? Given their pathological show-offs and the lies of milleins, I think 12 no more, and of these Russians 2-3 million

[Yeraz]

Quote: Vzdrincher

I think 12 no more And from them Russian 2-3 million

it’s harmful for you to think. There are official statistics of Kazakhstan, the United Nations and other structures. And the population of Kazakhstan is almost 18 million, 6 million cannot be a statistical error to move it here.

[Naughty]

Absolutely not! What stat..data? which UN? After the last census, Nazarbayev transplanted half of the census takers Including the most important (main) For theft So imagine how the census went. It's like under Stalin Nazarbayev told us 18 million. So 18 million. There are 12 million. There aren’t. Do they print them on a 3D printer? In the 90s, Russians from Kazakhstan left 4 million no less than I, including. How many Germans left? Almost all but there were a lot of them. Like this

[Yeraz]

Quote: Vzdrincher

There are 12 million there. They don’t print them on a 3D printer? In the 90s, 4 million not less Russians left Kazakhstan from Kazakhstan, including me. And how many Germans left? Almost all but there were a lot of them. Like this

Imagine not in a printer, but in a good old fashion. The Kazakhs were busy with the fact that the Russian birth rate was lower even in Soviet times, and then it collapsed completely and does not say the same for others. For example, in Azerbaijan it was 7.4 million, right now 10 million, an increase by 50%. And among neighbors of Armenians and Georgians, the percentage of Georgians from 5.5 fell to 3.7 (and if we subtract Azerbaijanis, who are 500 thousand in the population of Georgia and the highest growth among them, the situation is even worse)
Armenians from 4 fell to 3.
In Kazakhstan, the birth rate is even higher than in Azerbaijan + the oralmans, who were also brought in by the assimilation of Uzbeks and Uyghurs. Therefore, everything is normal with the data and the numbers are real.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

For example, in Azerbaijan it was 7.4 million, right now 10 million, an increase of 50%.

This could happen in only one way - come in large numbers.

Quote: Yeraz

In Kazakhstan, the birth rate is even higher than in Azerbaijan + the oralmans, who were also brought in by the assimilation of Uzbeks and Uyghurs. Therefore, everything is normal with the data and the numbers are real.

That is, in 89, there were 5 million Kazakhs, and now it is 11 -12? And is that for 25 years? Well, you need to give birth very much, or again come in large numbers.

[Naughty]

Even if we assume that "come in large numbers" Well, not millions of oralmans were delivered by Kazakhs from Mongolia. There will not be 100 thousand. The doctors are all Kazakh. Moreover, they got a great deal of skill in this matter. They distort the Old in such matters that the world around them do not care. Well, tell me, what do we care about how many Kazakhs really live in Kazakhstan? Yes, do not care how much. So talk and forget. All of these show-offs are primarily for internal Kazakh use. That's where Krasava learned to hang noodles on the ears of loyal Nazarbayev!

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

This could happen in only one way - come in large numbers.

and who came to Azerbaijan ??? 7.4 was in 1993.
Why don’t you take the option of giving birth ?? Every year, a hundred thousand. The truth is that the birth rate has fallen, not like in the Christian countries of the USSR, but still.

Quotation: blooded man

Well, you need to give birth very much, or again come in large numbers.

Well, yes, they had a high birth rate, see their birth rate statistics. Well, others went. And a lot of assimilation. Also, Uzbeks, Uighurs and Koreans.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

and who came to Azerbaijan ??? 7.4 was in 1993.

From Iran, Armenia, CA.

Quote: Yeraz

Why don’t you take the option of giving birth ?? Every year, a hundred thousand. The truth is that the birth rate has fallen, not like in the Christian countries of the USSR, but still.

In this case, no one should die and immigration should be zero.
I very much doubt that the city azri in Azerbaijan give birth more than the Azeri living in the Russian Federation.

Quote: Yeraz

Well, yes, they had a high birth rate, see their birth rate statistics. Well, others went. And a lot of assimilation. Also, Uzbeks, Uighurs and Koreans.

Such an explosion of the population does not work, at least rewrite all the Kazakhs.
So the practice of overstating the population exists in many countries of the world, for example, in China.

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

From Iran, Armenia, CA.

No, you are not mistaken. They do not go to live from Iran. They drove us out of Armenia in 1987-1989. So we already went to the statistics of 1991. And I brought you the statistics of 1993. And we were 200 thousand. CA? What is this?

Quotation: blooded man

I very much doubt that the city azri in Azerbaijan give birth more than the Azeri living in the Russian Federation.

Well, now there are urban Azeris in Russia. That in Azerbaijan they give birth to stable 2 babies. Then they gave birth even more. Since there were more rural people and the city psychologists also had different ones.
http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b11_13/isswww.exe/stg/
d1 / 04-06.htm
https://knoema.ru/atlas/%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%
D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD/%D0%9A%
D0%BE%D1%8D%D1%84%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B5%D
0%BD%D1%82-%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B5%D
0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8
see these 2 links. for Russia and Azerbaijan. The gap is very large.
For example, in 2010, 18.3 births were made in Azerbaijan, while in Russian regions 10. the difference was 2 times. Only a little bit are Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia ahead of different periods. And in those republics where the share of the Russian population is higher than Karachay-Cherkessia and Kabardino-Balkaria, there and fertility is higher.
The most paradoxical recession was not in Azerbaijan in the 90s, where there was war, devastation, but in 2000-2003 it was 14.5-15.3, and then up. In the case of Azerbaijan, the material benefit affects the number of children, in the case of Russia it retention of at least 2 children.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Yeraz

Imagine not in a printer, but in a good old fashion. The Kazakhs were engaged in business, the fact that the Russian birth rate was lower even in Soviet times,

the difference in numbers was so great that the birth rate is difficult to explain

[KVU-NSVD]

The updated alphabet, like the earlier version, contains 32 letters, but it lacks apostrophes and introduced new accents and digraphs (sh, ch).

The impossibility or difficulty of conveying the features of sound in writing leads to a simplification and even loss of uniqueness of the language. Although the Kazakhs know better.

[rotmistr60]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

This is an inevitable historical process.

If there was a “inevitable historical process,” then they would have switched over to the Arabic script, which was originally. 78 years quietly existed with the Cyrillic alphabet, and now it impatient. In Europe, they still don’t understand what is written in Cyrillic, what is written in Latin.

[maxim1987]

Quote: Letun

Quote: Urantian

Yes, even in Aramaic ... to us, to a light bulb, what is the Kazakhs alphabet ....

Here are the same "dolpochnochniki" slept in due time Ukraine. Fucking trend then. Do not you understand?

and what's wrong? Created the prerequisites for the return of New Russia, returned the Crimea. I am also not against the Southern Urals, the Northern Caspian Sea and Southern Altai

[Antares]

Quote: maximNNX

and what's wrong? Created the prerequisites for the return of New Russia, returned the Crimea. I am also not against the Southern Urals, the Northern Caspian Sea and Southern Altai

led to a confrontation of the 2 largest Russian-speaking countries, ruined relations / sanctions / financial losses, image-building, etc.
to 2 wars, another third?

[ioan-e]

Quote: The same Lech

And what, will the Latin help fight off frozen accounts in the US?

Perhaps for this he went to bow to TRUMP.

Regional-regional-regional-regional

[major147]

Yes, even on the basis of the Sumerian cuneiform.

[Egoza]

Senile senility sometimes begins very early and manifests itself in the most unexpected way.

[nemec55]

Kazakhstan will become European strange
Well now you need to go further
Present to Russia the bill for the occupation of Kazakhstan, the destruction of the elite in the 20s and the liberation of the northern territories to the flesh to the Gulf of Ob

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: nemec55

Present to Russia the bill for the occupation of Kazakhstan, the destruction of the elite in the 20s and the liberation of the northern territories to the flesh to the Gulf of Ob

you are more careful with ideas, there are enough "smart" ones even without you

In Kazakhstan, national patriots celebrate the 100th anniversary of the 1916 uprising. In connection with this event, the doctor of historical sciences, Azimbay Gali, put forward in his article on the Abai.kz website claims to Russia on financial compensation for the death of the participants in the uprising. He also demanded to oblige Russia to recognize the genocide of the Kazakhs in 1930-1932.

[Geronimo73]

Kazakhs chose orientation to related Turkic countries long ago switched to Latin. and what's the problem? Someone from the commentators is fluent in Kazakh, but does not know the Latin letters and now will not be able to read Kazakh?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

But what is the connection with orientation ?!

[Piramidon]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

That's because as you were, in life, to a light bulb, 40% of the population of Kazakhstan (Russians) have gone somewhere ... I now also live in Yekaterinburg ...

I often visit my historical Motherland (Kurgan). Kazakhstan is a neighbor, the border is more than transparent. There are many acquaintances on the other side. Often we are “abroad” - great fishing, some Kazakh products we buy (by the way, I really like the quality). Their representatives come to Kurgan on the day, by train and sell their products on the station market (arrived in the morning - bargained - left in the evening). So, neither in North Kazakhstan, nor from visitors from there, I have never heard that Russians are being oppressed there. As they lived before, they live and have not "gone anywhere".

[naidas]

So in Ukraine it was until 2014.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Piramidon

I often visit my historical Motherland (Kurgan) ... I have not heard that Russians are oppressed there. As they lived before, they live and have not "gone anywhere".

in Shymkent hit the road

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Piramidon

I often visit my historical Motherland (Kurgan) ... I have not heard that Russians are oppressed there. As they lived before, they live and have not "gone anywhere".

in Shymkent hit the road

I don’t know how now, I myself was there the last time in December 1991. And before that, I had been at the factory several times a year for months. So already then there was a bias towards the growth of "national identity". Kazakhs were shoved to leadership and elected posts. And about 5 years ago, acquaintances from Alma-Ata told how communication goes with Russian speakers ... Moreover, even the Kyrgyz - they moved to live there - consider it their duty to remind once again that this is their land and they are more right

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Yuyuka

Moreover, even the Kyrgyz - they moved to live there - consider it their duty to remind once again that this is their land and they are more right

I’ll tell a story from my own life, in 2008, summer, under the window of my apartment, a Kazakh woman planted her offspring, forgive me for shitting on a large scale, I open the window, I say that this should not be done, in response - this is my land where I want there and wed ....

[Yuyuka]

So, neither in North Kazakhstan, nor from visitors from there, I have never heard that Russians are being oppressed there. As they lived before, they live and haven’t "gone anywhere"

it's like the Donbass in Ukraine - the closer to the border, the more common. After all, we have lived in one country for more than 70 years! But in the south it is more complicated ... everything was problematic there in Soviet times. Even the unrest, if you recall, was suppressed ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Yuyuka

Even the unrest, if you recall, was suppressed ...

in alma-ata

[Dimmih]

Quote: Earlier, Nazarbayev emphasized that the transition of the Kazakh language to the Latin alphabet “in no way affects the rights of Russian-speaking, Russian, and other languages.” What's the difference to us? He who does not know Kazakh with Cyrillic will lose nothing. Worst of all, the Kazakhs themselves will have to — then what sadness is this? They want to bite themselves for the ass, in a good way! From the point of view of historicity, for the sake of truth, I must say that the transition to the ancient Turkic runic script would have looked more logical. In order to return to the roots and origins. Well and in parallel to the nomadic way of life to return to look stylish in general.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dimmih

What's the difference to us?

when banderlogs in ukraine tail lifted us the same thing there was nothing.

[Dimmih]

Ukraine is capitalized, like the beginning of a sentence, this is the grammar of an elementary school. Start by learning spelling and gradually comprehend the rest. Militant ignoramuses are the scourge of our time worse than Isil and Bandera taken together.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Dimmih

Ukraine is capitalized, like the beginning of a sentence, this is the grammar of an elementary school. Start by learning spelling and gradually comprehend the rest. Militant ignoramuses are the scourge of our time worse than Isil and Bandera taken together.

Maybe, for such monuments you propose to put more? And to call with a capital letter and patronymic?

[Dimmih]

I propose not to fall into hysteria, men are not to face. Ukraine is a country where Ukrainians live, including, and according to the rules of the Russian language, the names of countries are capitalized, refute. Marches are conducted by Bandera and other trash, and you, in a hysterical fuse, equate all Ukrainians with Bandera. It is shameful for an adult to not understand this. I dare to remind you that Ukrainians are one of the largest peoples of the Russian Federation and if people like you begin to write the word Ukraine with a small letter and rage about it, then how are you different from those who shout “Moskalyaku on a dumbass!”? Yes, demonism is a diagnosis and it doesn’t matter what the demoniac screams, it must be in honey. institution with bars on the windows. I repeat, the militant ignoramuses and the possessed are the scourge of our time. If you want to help the LPR and the DPR, then all the ways are open for this: you can make money donations or follow the example of Motorola, and anyone can scare the sofa with thunderous rumbles, paper sons of the Fatherland we probably even have too much.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Dimmih

I propose not to fall into hysteria, men are not to face. Ukraine is a country where Ukrainians live, including, and according to the rules of the Russian language, the names of countries are capitalized, refute. Marches are conducted by Bandera and other trash, and you, in a hysterical fuse, equate all Ukrainians with Bandera. It is shameful for an adult to not understand this. I dare to remind you that Ukrainians are one of the largest peoples of the Russian Federation and if people like you begin to write the word Ukraine with a small letter and rage about it, then how are you different from those who shout “Moskalyaku on a dumbass!”? Yes, demonism is a diagnosis and it doesn’t matter what the demoniac screams, it must be in honey. institution with bars on the windows. I repeat, the militant ignoramuses and the possessed are the scourge of our time. If you want to help the LPR and the DPR, then all the ways are open for this: you can make money donations or follow the example of Motorola, and anyone can scare the sofa with thunderous rumbles, paper sons of the Fatherland we probably even have too much.

Don’t freak out. I differ from this trash in that I do not kill anyone. And I don’t go with torches in the streets. To disassemble one from another TAM is not my business. Let them understand themselves. And since there is no end to this, it means that the Ukrainian body is sick, the current chronic disease is sluggish, with which the body does not fight. This always leads to death. You will still be talking here about proletarian solidarity, which the sweep from the RSDLP-VKPB intruded on. Which cost us a lot in 1941. SHOULD BE UNDERSTANDED BY YOURSELF. And do not hide with us in warm burrows. Not we made this porridge. Our intervention will make us enemies.
How do you not understand this?

[Dimmih]

Dear interlocutor, not being closely acquainted with a person, poking him is impolite. But, making a discount on your mental immaturity, I forgive you for this. At one time, talking on the Censor with stubborn people from that side, I had seen enough of them. I can say that between you and them it is quite possible to put an equal sign. What are those paper warriors that you. And yes, you are right, having correctly noticed that you differ from that trash only in that you do not kill anyone. I grieve that VO is gradually turning, alas, into a complete likeness of the same Censor ........

[co-creator]

Quote: Dimmih

Ukraine is capitalized

Ukraine is not only the name of the country, but also the designation of the territory. Teacher pancake.

[Dimmih]

Young man, I am no longer young and studied at the time in a Soviet school. Even lazy people like me got knowledge there. So, leave that nonsense that you wrote to me ignoramuses. And I comradely, sincerely wishing you good, I advise you to read about Ukraine here: http://bse.sci-lib.com/article113859.html Being ignorant and proud of it is shameful for a thinking person! Which undoubtedly do not include the descendants of the Russoarii and other novochronolozhets ...... Truly I tell you, study, study and study!

[Altona]

Quote: Thrall

Now Nursultan Aebishuly NAZARBAEV will drink instead of koumiss - kumis?

----------------------------
So! And ce garno! Europe from us! Nursultan Abishevich wants a different cultural matrix, though he does not know that there will be no patriots of Kazakhstan in another cultural matrix. There will be adherents of either the United States or the Great Turan. For some reason, the former Soviet communist bosses have a very poor understanding of cause and effect relationships. Apparently Gorbachevism is a very contagious disease.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Their business, of course, but I don’t understand what it gives them ?! What will they become closer to the EU? So the words are all the same Kazakh, not English))) I would understand if they switched to some kind of historical Kazakh alphabet, they used to write Arabic in Kazakhstan, but the fact is the transition to Latin except as a function of the strongest distance from Russia no longer has a function ...

But the US think it approved ...

[Square]

And Enti there too

[ver_]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Quote: igor1981

Kazakhstan has a little European territory, the right bank of the Ural (Yaik) river, which they gave them, either Lenin, or Stalin.

- Yes, Stalin gave them ALL of Kazakhstan. And there was nothing at all. Well, no one thought that in our country the Gorbachev would come to power!

..Ulyanov = Blank knew what he was doing ..., very much hated the Russian Empire .., not in vain created national entities ..

[Moskovit]

It is strange why Ukraine has not yet switched to the Latin alphabet. After all, this immediately gives a great economic growth, as in Kazakhstan.

[naidas]

You do not joke like that, otherwise they will switch to hieroglyphs in spite of the Muscovites.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Moskovit

It is strange why Ukraine has not yet switched to the Latin alphabet. After all, this immediately gives a great economic growth, as in Kazakhstan.

He will take them to the EU, where, quite possibly, they will accept them. Moses for 40 years dragged compatriots through the desert. Generations living in the sin of nationalism and Bandera will die, you see, and ......

[Chilean Abalon]

The most interesting thing is that most of the indignant have nicknames in Latin!

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Locos

The most interesting thing is that most of the indignant have nicknames in Latin!

Do you have in Latin, apparently so that with it (usually we all use the same ones) in sites that do not accept the Cyrillic alphabet? Then what is the joy of? Are you the only one so wise?

[K-50]

President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a decree approving a new version of the Kazakh alphabet based on Latin graphics

And with one stroke of the pen he made everyone not literate.
As long as people get used to the new initial letter, the spelling rules, they will constantly make mistakes. The most misunderstood: WHAT ???? What are such super important reasons to throw a ton of money into a completely unnecessary action, in principle? After all, Kazakhstan did not have its own written language, as did the Mongols. The Mongols generally used the Chinese for writing, because apart from the score they no longer knew anything. And now, after hundreds of years of being part of Russia / the USSR and an independent country, change the alphabet? Senile senility and show off !!!
But pin dosniki will not count the deflection anyway.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: K-50

What are such super important reasons to throw a ton of money into a completely unnecessary action, in principle?

the reason, do not throw it away and transfer money from the state pocket to your own
reason two, throw a bone to your own natsik
reason three, Russians in Kazakhstan will be even more afraid of regime change

[Prutkov]

Quote: Victor N

This is an aggressive act against Russian culture. So - ENEMY.

Do not get so excited. The Kazakh and Russian languages ​​are too far apart from each other, so that a change in the design of certain letters will affect mutual understanding between Russians and Kazakhs. Yes, at least cuneiform! It is unlikely that you would understand the meaning of a text written in German or Hungarian, even if these texts were written in Cyrillic. The fact that the printing industry will suffer is a fact. Old people, accustomed to the Cyrillic alphabet, will not buy new books and magazines in Latin. And young people are all online. People either want to hear and understand each other, or they don’t want to. And then no font will help.

[EvilLion]

It’s just that young people will lose their ability to read Russian and scotch.

[Prutkov]

Have you tried to read Kazakh literature printed in Cyrillic? Is everything written clearly? I doubt it. Young people will learn the language in which it is advantageous to speak or in which the scientific literature is written in which they receive a profession.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Rods

Have you tried to read Kazakh literature printed in Cyrillic? Is everything written clearly? I doubt it. Young people will learn the language in which it is advantageous to speak or in which the scientific literature is written in which they receive a profession.

List authors and titles. Which are written in Kazakh and incorrectly translated into Russian.
List the names and authors who wrote in Kazakhstan in Russian. And not correctly translated into Kazakh. List the names of the technical literature that you HAVE to translate into the new Kazakh language. Can you imagine the whole volume of such? Billions of sheets of descriptions, drawings, instructions, standards, procedures and other things already available in the future? Can not list the PRICE of this stupid work, terms and army of translators?



Tajiks managed to abandon this idiocy.

[Prutkov]

You hardly understand Russian. Where do you still Kazakh language. A person is asked whether he read literature in the Kazakh language. And you about translations ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Rods

You hardly understand Russian. Where do you still Kazakh language. A person is asked whether he read literature in the Kazakh language. And you about translations ...

So why didn’t you, who understand Russian well, give the name of the work in the Kazakh language, if only as an example?
In your highly educated place, I would write in Russian through a hyphen.

[EvilLion]

It is Russian and English. The second is harder.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Rods

Quote: Victor N

This is an aggressive act against Russian culture. So - ENEMY.

Do not get so excited. The Kazakh and Russian languages ​​are too far apart from each other, so that a change in the design of certain letters will affect mutual understanding between Russians and Kazakhs. Yes, at least cuneiform! It is unlikely that you would understand the meaning of a text written in German or Hungarian, even if these texts were written in Cyrillic. The fact that the printing industry will suffer is a fact. Old people, accustomed to the Cyrillic alphabet, will not buy new books and magazines in Latin. And young people are all online. People either want to hear and understand each other, or they don’t want to. And then no font will help.

It’s impossible to come up with more idiocy than you write here. Language is the nature of the people. Breaking the tongue, nature breaks. Brains not polished by education do not understand such a simple thing.
A small example - in the Russian language there were letters i - There was a novel by L. Tolstoy. "War and Peace" That is, not war and NOT WAR, but WAR AND THE UNIVERSE. For the word world meant the universe. Now we are surprised at tautologies, reading on posters - WORLD-WORLD. One letter. The philosophy of this colossal work is lost. Ђ and E have the same pronunciation. Where to put it correctly, knowledge of the Ukrainian language helped.
The word svat. if in the Ukrainian version there will be the letter i, therefore, in Russian you need to write Ђ.
Now you do not need to know this melodic and surprisingly native brotherly language.

[EvilLion]

Apparently, the whole philosophy was in the title. However, Levushka Tolstoy is a classic absolutely undeservedly listed.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: EvilLion

Apparently, the whole philosophy was in the title. However, Levushka Tolstoy is a classic absolutely undeservedly listed.

After your sentence, everything fell into place.
You are like someone (a mat is unacceptable) being in a village toilet, trying to move him aside. And at the same time you fall into the point.
Not at ease chopping. This is not your level.

[Humpty]

Quote: Geronimo73

chose orientation to related Turkic countries

N-dya. And how did it happen that some now call it the Turkic country And in general, it is not clear to me why no one is laughing at this initiative.
Not a letter, say, colors a person. We have emergency hot water tanks at the CHP. They abbreviated ABGV. The deputy commission somehow roamed the territory with a check. The deputy stared at the inscription and gave out, why are these letters not written alphabetically ?!

[thinker]

I recalled the phrase - "through thorns to the stars," in a good way.

How to enter characters with diacritics on the keyboard?
Windows: Use Alt-codes to enter the keyboard of a personal computer. The indicator on the Num Lock key should light up, hold down Alt and enter the combination of numbers on the Numpad - on the part of the keyboard with the numbers on the right. Also, dialectic characters can be copied from the table and pasted into the text.
Á á, Ǵ ǵ, ı, Ń ń, Ó ó, Ú ú, Ý ý

[mavrus]

Quote: Less

Kazakhstan is a rich country ... Switching to Latin is not a cheap pleasure ... I think so.

And what difference does it cost, the main thing is to annoy the Russians. Compared to the skakuas, these siblings seem to be white and fluffy, but only when compared with tribals and xoxls ... And so the creeping squeezing out of Russians from Kazakhstan is much more effective for them than for frank Russophobes.

[zombirusrev]

Bullshit of course. Nazarbayev is a grave digger of Kazakh culture. But in my opinion this will strengthen the position of the Russian language in the country of Kazakhstan :)

[EvilLion]

Well, what to do, they are more pleased to read the orders of the "white master."

Kazakhstan will soon be on a par with Tajikistan, etc.

[Naughty]

It will be curious to observe how the Kazakhs once again fail

[EvilLion]

In general, through 30 years, Russians, as it should be white, will go to Kazakhstan to hunt Nousers.

[PValery53]

What, Nursultan? - "Goodbye, Washed Russia"? - Oh well. I would not have missed my "strategy".

[Vkd dvk]

Congratulations to the brotherly Kazakh people with a rollback to 1940. With complete illiteracy of the population, overcoming it, and separation from the roots of world civilization, the link of which was the real Russian language.

[Geisenberg]

I wonder how the Kazakh keyboard will look)))

[koshmarik]

At one time, Lenin called Trotsky a political prostitute. God forbid, I don’t hint at anything, I just remembered that there was such a fact. As for the Kazakh Latin alphabet, if you want, then they will hold the flag in their hands. How is it? First, letters, then the US military base in Baikonur, and there ... Dashing trouble began.

[pvv113]

President Nursultan Nazarbayev Signs Decree

And then the defense of Kazakhstan jumped to an unattainable height

[Naughty]

The fighting capacity of course did not jump! But! with the decline in education that is currently taking place in Kazakhstan, the transition to the Latin alphabet is very timely from the point of view of Nazarbayev as the sovereign master of the country. Why would he need smart, educated subjects? Why would he think and think about what is happening in the state? An ignorant and uneducated people can be easier to manage, they can always put some ideas of their own into the head. For this, everything is being done. He has one task now. Transfer power to the family. How to do this? Yes, it’s very simple to implement a project (Latinization). And while the people will chew it all up, calmly transfer power to the next member of their family. Will it work out or not? Now no one knows. We will see as they say. Russia in any case do not care. The main thing is that Maidan there does not start everything else a second time

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

in the meantime
In Aktyubinsk scandal erupted over Shrovetide in schools
http://ratel.kz/raw/v_aktobe_razrazilsja_skandal_
iz_za_maslenitsy_v_shkolah

[Humpty]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

carnival scandal

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I open the window, I say that this is not necessary,

I don’t say anything, but in my kitchen there is a hose, about 4 meters, behind the refrigerator. And in this case it’s violet to me what gender, age and time of year.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

when I got out (without a hose) it started, they drove in, we’ll write to the police, etc.

[Andrey KZ]

Meanwhile, in Shymkent

[Andrey KZ]

Have a fun walk

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I do not argue, but after all, what I wrote has a place to be, or not?

[Andrey KZ]

Well, there the leadership has already answered

And the head of the regional education department Lyazzat Urazbaeva said today that "no one wrote any explanations to anyone." In addition, Urazbaeva said that they would not ban Shrovetide at schools. Then, according to her, Nauryz will have to be banned. And in general, shawls and Shrovetide are two different things, and there is no need to confuse them, the official asked.

. In general, not smart enough everywhere. We saw what was in Dagestan on Maslenitsa. Condolences to the families of the dead.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and Natsik gave their

[Zogak]

Here the fact is that there was a canoe with a ban on hijabs. Then you understand yourself that you considered the fight against hijabs to be unfair, with a benevolent attitude towards Shrovetide.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

with a favorable attitude to Shrovetide.

and Nauryz, Shrovetide full Slavic analogue
By the way, if so, then ban the OI as a pagan rite

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and Nauryz, Shrovetide full Slavic analogue
By the way, if so, then ban the OI as a pagan rite

I am against such prohibitions.

[Prutkov]

Quote: wkd dvk

Quote: Rods

You hardly understand Russian. Where do you still Kazakh language. A person is asked whether he read literature in the Kazakh language. And you about translations ...

So why didn’t you, who understand Russian well, give the name of the work in the Kazakh language, if only as an example?
In your highly educated place, I would write in Russian through a hyphen.

And only on the fifth day Chingachkuk saw that there was one wall in the prison cell. If it took you 2,5 hours to find a spelling mistake, how long will it take to understand the meaning of what is written? I will try to ask a question differently. Have you read the novel "War and Peace" in Kazakh? If yes, did you understand everything? If not, then why did you write your comment off topic in my comment?

[Zogak]

Here, many people think that Russian is translated into Latin in Kazakhstan. Yes, I know that it even sounds like nonsense, but many seem to think so.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

Here, many people think that Russian is translated into Latin in Kazakhstan

Who?!

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Who?! belay

Dumb.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

an example in the studio?

[Zogak]

Read the posts above. I’m already tired of poking you in every post three times. As is the case with nationalism and insults from the Russians against the Kazakhs and about slavery.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

I’m already tired of poking you in every post three times.

Listen Hamlo, calm down, bring at least one post from this thread that says what you write

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

with slavery, you just liquidated yourself and couldn’t prove anything. IT WASN’T HERE, LEGISLATIVE WASN’T

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

with slavery, you just liquidated yourself and couldn’t prove anything. IT WASN’T HERE, LEGISLATIVE WASN’T

Have you read the article on legal slavery in Western Siberia and the Orenburg region?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

there is slavery in RK today, I understand correctly that this is normal and permissible? !!!
SLAVE IN RI WAS NOT ALLOWED BY LAW

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

there is slavery in RK today, I understand correctly that this is normal and permissible? !!!

And in the Russian Federation there. However, there are no facts of the mass purchase of slaves at the Russian or Kazakh borders, with their subsequent sale on. But in RI - it was.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

SLAVE IN RI WAS NOT ALLOWED BY LAW

Pay attention to the words "was signed by the empress on November 19, 1756",
"baptize into captivity," "the right to own slaves," "slaves must remain enslaved to their recipients, both noblemen and noblemen until death."

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

keyword BELIEVED
slavery as such was not in RI, there was serfdom, these are two essence of different things

[co-creator]

Quote: Zogak

Here, many people think that Russian is translated into Latin in Kazakhstan. Yes, I know that it even sounds like nonsense, but many seem to think so.

No, many people think that you need to change your job.

[Zogak]

Quotation: blooded man

Quote: Zogak

Here, many people think that Russian is translated into Latin in Kazakhstan. Yes, I know that it even sounds like nonsense, but many seem to think so.

No, many people think that you need to change your job.

Zdarov, schoolboy!

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Zogak

Here, many people think that Russian is translated into Latin in Kazakhstan. Yes, I know that it even sounds like nonsense, but many seem to think so.

In my opinion, you blame what seems to you. At least in the beginning.
Of course, the conversation is not about the Russian language with any graphics, but about the Kazakh language.
I hope you will not mind that a whole generation of Kazakhstanis falls out of the country's history. Until a generation that reads freely in Russian and Cyrillic Kazakhs dies out, and a society that does not read Russian and wander in Latinized Kazakhs grows up, the country will be in the abyss. I do not know if there is anyone here who will argue that the transition will ensure rapid development, since the Turkic-speaking and Arab-speaking countries are by no means at the forefront of progress. Maybe it's my fault that I don’t know the scientists, writers, artists who write in the artificial Latin Turkic language. The basis of this ancient language is Arabic script. Then, did you have to move there? Kohl, breaking, so to the end.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Rods

Quote: wkd dvk

Quote: Rods

You hardly understand Russian. Where do you still Kazakh language. A person is asked whether he read literature in the Kazakh language. And you about translations ...

So why didn’t you, who understand Russian well, give the name of the work in the Kazakh language, if only as an example?
In your highly educated place, I would write in Russian through a hyphen.

And only on the fifth day Chingachkuk saw that there was one wall in the prison cell. If it took you 2,5 hours to find a spelling mistake, how long will it take to understand the meaning of what is written? I will try to ask a question differently. Have you read the novel "War and Peace" in Kazakh? If yes, did you understand everything? If not, then why did you write your comment off topic in my comment?

You think very well of yourself. Too. Not deservedly so. As if crowds of admirers catch your every word every second .... Any stupidity is also noticeable from the deep past.

[Zogak]

Vasilenko Vladimir,

The word "believed" does not refer to whether there was slavery or not, but whether or not there was another decree regulating slavery, but that there was slavery - so there is no doubt about it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

slavery was - so there is no doubt about it.

in Kazakhstan slavery IS the topic is closed

[Zogak]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

in Kazakhstan slavery IS the topic is closed

In the Russian Federation, too, there were in the Republic of Ingushetia. Now the topic is closed.

[aleks.29ru]

the rats flee from the ship, they smell something.

[M. Michelson]

Forced transfer of Kazakhs to Cyrillic is a shameful episode in Soviet history. Well, they recognized the latinization as erroneous, well, don’t translate anyone else, but Kazakhs (and Azerbaijanis) who have a whole generation (!) Of schoolchildren learned that spelling, why bother again ?!
In light of this, raising a buchu over the Latinization of the Kazakh language is very ugly. On the contrary, I have to say thanks to Nazarbayev that he endured for so long and did everything tactfully.

[co-creator]

Quote: M. Michelson

but Kazakhs (and Azerbaijanis), for whom a whole generation (!) of schoolchildren learned from that spelling, why break again?

You are drunk? What is the next generation? At that time, the maximum of what this generation taught was how to count and read. Real universal education appeared only with industrialization, and it was for its implementation that Cyrillic was introduced throughout the country.

Quote: M. Michelson

In light of this, raising a buchu over the Latinization of the Kazakh language is very ugly. On the contrary, I have to say thanks to Nazarbayev that he endured for so long and did everything tactfully.

It’s ugly for you liberals to lie and hate everything Russian. It’s how one can be Russian and despise essentially one’s own self, I still don’t understand. Although you are most likely a Jew.

[Vkd dvk]

Quotation: blooded man

Quote: M. Michelson

but Kazakhs (and Azerbaijanis), for whom a whole generation (!) of schoolchildren learned from that spelling, why break again?

You are drunk? What is the next generation? At that time, the maximum of what this generation taught was how to count and read. Real universal education appeared only with industrialization, and it was for its implementation that Cyrillic was introduced throughout the country.

Quote: M. Michelson

In light of this, raising a buchu over the Latinization of the Kazakh language is very ugly. On the contrary, I have to say thanks to Nazarbayev that he endured for so long and did everything tactfully.

It’s ugly for you liberals to lie and hate everything Russian. It’s how one can be Russian and despise essentially one’s own self, I still don’t understand. Although you are most likely a Jew.

You are mistaken. He is not drunk. He is one of those who do EVERYTHING to destroy Orthodoxy, Russians, cutting Orthodox Icons in full view of everyone in the pavilion, calling this vandalism performance. He is one of those who defended the prostitutes dancing in the Orthodox Church. Do the names of the passengers of the Leninist sealed car brought through a warring country to Russia to foment a revolution tell you nothing?

[co-creator]

Yes, I first wrote a comment, and then I realized who it was

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: M. Michelson

Forced transfer of Kazakhs to Cyrillic is a shameful episode in Soviet history.

What is shameful ?! from the point of view of the state, everything was done right

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

Very funny. When you write that Kazakhs hate Russians it’s okay

dear you or panties dress or cross take off

Quote: Zogak

bold again call yourself and do not hide behind a nickname and a monitor
He called it.

what did you call ?!
do not make people laugh, once again, called it when he said who you are and where you live, and not the "series" from the "chimkent"

Quote: Zogak

Anyway, close the borders, enter the visa regime. Why not do it?

the problem is that people like you will recoup on the Russian population in this case, if it weren’t for one drunk geek who exchanged 20 million Russians for a soft chair under his ass, Natsik would now either cut down the forest or were afraid to open his mouth

[Zogak]

By the way, about Russians in Kazakhstan’s business, one can recall the owner of the Meloman network, Deriglazov, and from even larger Alexander Klebanov, Vasily Rozinov, etc.

[co-creator]

For Kazakhstan, big business is oil and other natural resources. There are no Russians, and never will be. And all these "music lovers" as in the Russian Federation belong to several owners.

[co-creator]

You're stupid again I give you the task, my fan, go for a walk, air your head.
General Director Russian is normal, chief engineer is normal. Someone must develop production.
Rozinov is the exception that is incomprehensible.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zogak

Do not think that Kazakhstani Russians are schnicks and terpils

no, they didn’t wait, but as soon as the company is gaining momentum people come from the pope and another representative appears in the co-founders