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Indonesian media reported some details of the Su-35 supply contract

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The Indonesian newspaper Kompas reported some details of the contract for the acquisition by Indonesia of 11 Russian Su-35 fighters, the signing of which was recently confirmed to the country's defense ministry. Reports about it bmpd.




The contract for the supply of X-NUMX fighter jets to Indonesia, Su-11, was signed on February 35, its cost was $ 14 billion.

According to the newspaper, part of this amount will be covered by "counter deliveries of Indonesian goods." What part in question is not specified.

In addition, the agreement allegedly provides for the transfer to Indonesia of Su-35 repair technology, “so that the fighters no longer need to be taken to Russia for repairs.”

The first two fighters are to be delivered to Indonesia in August 2019. The entire contract must be executed in July 2020.

It is reported that “Su-35 fighters are being purchased to replace the fleet of obsolete American-made Northrop F-5E / F Tiger II fighter jets, which are in service with the 14 squadron of the Indonesian Air Force at Iswahyudi air base (Madiun, Java)”.

Indonesia became the second foreign customer for the Su-35 fighter aircraft after China, which ordered the 24 aircraft (deliveries commenced in December 2016 of the year).
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K 19 February 2018 14: 01
    +12
    ... Indonesian media reported some details of the contract for the supply of Su-35 ...

    If the local media got the "go-ahead", then the contract is really "settled".
    Congratulations to our specialists from Rosoboronexport.
    We loaded our industry with orders, clicked on the nose of geldings that feel at ease in the arms market of the countries of the Asia-Pacific region good
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 19 February 2018 14: 06
      +9
      According to the newspaper, part of this amount will be covered by “counter deliveries of Indonesian goods”.
      - That's just not for palm oil!
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 19 February 2018 14: 09
        +4
        And the bananas! Also give them repair technology. For papaya chtol?
      2. Thrall
        Thrall 19 February 2018 14: 10
        +4
        Indonesia will get the right to supply coffee, rubber, palm oil and other goods traditional for this country to Russia
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 19 February 2018 14: 31
          +3
          supply coffee, rubber, palm oil and others to Russia... Let's live! All done! wassat
          1. askort154
            askort154 19 February 2018 14: 57
            +2
            HEATHER....to deliver coffee, rubber, palm oil and others to Russia ... Let's live! All done! wassat

            In Soviet times, trade with the countries of the "social camp" was carried out only by barter. Especially when the Druzhba pipeline was built. We gave them oil, and they gave us consumer goods, eventually destroyed their light industry. It was a deal. yes
            1. HEATHER
              HEATHER 19 February 2018 15: 26
              +1
              There was a case. I don’t want to revive the past. Money. Only money! It is desirable in gold. Although, I do not rummage about it. drinks No.
              1. seti
                seti 19 February 2018 21: 33
                +1
                What will you do with the money? Wacky question right? All alone we need these goods from Indonesia. And palm oil and rubber and everything else. And more. So it can be easier to take it directly - it’s probably more profitable for both parties, isn’t it?
                1. HEATHER
                  HEATHER 20 February 2018 14: 26
                  0

                  What will you do with the money?
                  Nothing. They’re missing me. Probably, you're right.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 19 February 2018 15: 04
            +2
            Quote: VERESK
            supply coffee, rubber, palm oil and others to Russia... Let's live! All done! wassat

            But it would be interesting to see this little scheme. Rosoboronexport will open in Russia a chain of stores selling coffee and palm oil, or will they directly settle natural products with workers at aircraft plants, as in the 90s? request fool
            1. HEATHER
              HEATHER 19 February 2018 15: 28
              +1
              Rosoboronexport to open a chain of coffee and palm oil stores in Russia Will they open? They seem to be friends with brains there. I don’t know to what extent, well, not to the same extent. am
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 19 February 2018 16: 05
                +9
                Gentlemen, stop joking lol Most countries concluding arms deals endorse an offset deal: you have weapons, and we have ... as you agree, a bunch of options. You can partly with money, some goods, some with technologies ... In vain do the Poles produce doors for Boeing s, as an example. The Swedes generally practice 100% offset, business and market places mother her witch
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 19 February 2018 19: 13
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Will Rosoboronexport open a chain of coffee and palm oil stores in Russia, or will they directly settle natural products with workers at aircraft plants, as in the 90s?

              Do you think such a problem to sell the goods received on the market ??? request fool wassat wassat wassat
            3. seti
              seti 19 February 2018 21: 34
              +1
              He realizes all this as an exporter in the Russian Federation and will make money on it. That is, all one will receive money. Only a foreign reseller will remain without fat.
            4. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint 19 February 2018 21: 57
              +1
              there are no schemes there. the state will give money, for example, with interest-free credit, and it will take the goods. then if rude. taking into account the fact that barter transactions always go with a slight underestimation of the price, then if barter goods are needed, it is always more profitable.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 19 February 2018 22: 17
                +1
                Thank. Now this procedure is clear. hi
      3. 210ox
        210ox 19 February 2018 14: 16
        +3
        But he doesn’t want more expensive? Also with a palm one .. Manufacturers are absolutely awesome. And the fact that the buyer pays for high-tech equipment with monkey fat does not paint those who conclude these contracts.
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        According to the newspaper, part of this amount will be covered by “counter deliveries of Indonesian goods”.
        - That's just not for palm oil!
      4. Lexus
        Lexus 19 February 2018 14: 16
        +4
        - That's just not for palm oil!

        The “greatest” achievement of the Russian arms business is the natural exchange of the XNUMXst century. If, at another time, ours suddenly sells something to Thailand, Thais can safely offer payment in kind (spiers-forks).
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 19 February 2018 14: 28
          +8
          Quote: lexus
          The “greatest” achievement of the Russian arms business is the natural exchange of the XNUMXst century.

          It is foolish and criminal to conclude contracts in US dollars or euros, thereby supporting the economies of states that are far from friendly to us. But if you can count, then it turns out that the cost of one fighter for Indonesia is more than $ 100 million. With almost 300% interest, any barter was nailed.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 19 February 2018 14: 37
            +3
            It is foolish and criminal to conclude contracts in US dollars or euros, thereby supporting the economies of states that are far from friendly to us.

            Wow! Are we selling natural resources for rubles and bananas?
            But if you can count, then it turns out that the cost of one fighter for Indonesia is more than $ 100 million

            There, far from all “dopniks” are voiced. So the cost, in fact, of aircraft is unknown.
            1. Vita vko
              Vita vko 19 February 2018 14: 53
              +1
              Quote: lexus
              Are we selling natural resources for rubles and bananas?

              That's exactly what you need to sell in rubles, your own resources should serve the economic interests of Russia, and not the interests of countries that are conducting an economic war against us.
          2. Rostislav
            Rostislav 19 February 2018 15: 17
            0
            And the cost of repair technology, transferring which Russia loses the opportunity to earn subsequently on maintenance?
        2. Andrey K
          Andrey K 19 February 2018 14: 33
          +6
          Quote: lexus
          ... The "greatest" achievement of the Russian arms business is the natural exchange of the XNUMXst century. If, at another time, ours suddenly sells something to Thailand, Thais can safely offer payment in kind (spiers-forks) ...

          The contract value is $ 1,14 billion, часть of which is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods.
      5. Andrey K
        Andrey K 19 February 2018 14: 27
        +10
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        ... But not for palm oil! ...

        I was not too lazy I climbed on "tyrnet":
        ... The cost of the contract is 1,14 billion dollars, some of which is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods, but this part of the contract is not detailed by Indonesian sources ...

        It is not said about palm oil, yes, about money - the amount of the contract has been announced and it is agreed that part of the amount, the Indonesians will pay off with the supply of goods.
        What's wrong. The Indonesians also secured their interests a small "profit" organized.
        This is the market.
        I have no doubt in the professional suitability of specialists from Rosoboronexport - they did not give a reason.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 February 2018 14: 49
          0
          "that part of the amount, the Indonesians will pay off the supply of goods." ////

          Part of the amount may be 90%. It is suspicious that they do not say, WHICH part?
          And what goods? And how many years of delivery?
        2. bane's jacket
          bane's jacket 19 February 2018 14: 52
          0
          Quote: Andrey K
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          ... But not for palm oil! ...

          I was not too lazy I climbed on "tyrnet":
          ... The cost of the contract is 1,14 billion dollars, some of which is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods, but this part of the contract is not detailed by Indonesian sources ...

          Palm oil doesn't say about money yes - the amount of the contract has been announced and agreed that part of the amount Indonesians will pay off the supply of goods.
          .

          I don’t know where you climbed the “tyrnet” and I don’t know what goods the Indonesians will pay off the supply (probably thought that they were high-precision machines), but the whole “tyrnet” is clogged with similar messages
          Jakarta will pay almost half of the contract with raw materials, the rest of the amount will be paid in cash. What raw materials and to what extent will be delivered to Russia is “under discussion”. It is only known that goods worth $ 570 million will be exported. Earlier, Lukita said that deliveries could include palm oil, tea and coffee.
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/2017/08/22
          / 730549-su-35

          the contract is highly likely to be signed before the end of the year and partially paid by palm oil, rubber and other Indonesian goods. The representative of Rosoboronexport declined to comment.
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/0
          8/07/728196-indoneziya-istrebiteli

          On health.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 19 February 2018 15: 04
            +8
            bane's jacket
            ... I don’t know where you climbed the “tyrnet” and I don’t know what goods the Indonesians will pay off the supply (probably thought that they were high-precision machine tools), but the whole “tyrnet” is jammed with similar messages ...
            ... a contract with a high degree of probability will be signed before the end of the year and partially paid by palm oil, rubber and other Indonesian goods ...
            ... to your health ...

            Do not worry about health, do not complain, thank God.
            What did you want to tell me? What money will not see? So we will see, we ourselves also copy-paste the digital from “tyrnet”.
            About palm oil, rubber, etc. - Would you be more pleased to hear about the loan to the Indonesians and their subsequent write-off?
            I personally don’t like it.
            1. bane's jacket
              bane's jacket 19 February 2018 15: 16
              0
              Quote: Andrey K

              Do not worry about health, do not complain, thank God.

              Happy for you. But with so much palm oil, Chinese and Korean fruits and vegetables, fake and counterfeit food and liquor, I'm afraid it won't last long. Don’t be offended.
              What did you want to tell me? What money will not see? So we will see, we ourselves also copy-paste the digital from “tyrnet”.

              Be sure to see. Only when and how much is a big secret. No wonder Rosoboronexport refrains from commenting.
              About palm oil, rubber, etc. - Would you be more pleased to hear about the loan to the Indonesians and their subsequent write-off?

              This is your money. I do not care.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 19 February 2018 15: 24
                +8
                bane's jacket
                ...Happy for you. But with so much palm oil, Chinese and Korean fruits and vegetables, fake and counterfeit food and liquor, I'm afraid it won't last long. Don’t be offended ...

                Are you definitely talking to me? belay
                Something was written of some letters, and even seasoned with alcohol ...
                Are you dohtur?
                Buddy - All that you have listed is more likely inherent in European and American supermarkets. We are not forced to eat this scary menu from your list.
                ... This is your money. I do not care...

                If you do not care - why are you taking my time?
                Good luck hi
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                    1. bane's jacket
                      bane's jacket 19 February 2018 15: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      bane's jacket
                      ... you are absolutely not interesting to me, like any ignoramus and liar ...

                      Classic troll lol
                      Begged, threw manure on the fan and slammed the door laughing
                      Good riddance, go down in insults to your level - do not respect yourself negative

                      Quote: Andrey K

                      American business. We didn’t boil our way, we instructed competitors. Nothing personal...

                      Quote: bane jacket

                      And what did the Americans want to "match theirs" with Egypt?

                      Quote: Andrey K

                      Tyrnet to help you. To health hi

                      An adult is like a man ...
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 19 February 2018 19: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey K
                  If you do not care - why are you taking my time?

                  troll this jacket !!! wink laughing laughing laughing
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 19 February 2018 19: 31
                    +8
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    ... troll this jacket !!! ...

                    Nicholas hi
                    It was clear initially laughing laughing laughing
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 19 February 2018 20: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      Quote: Nikolai Grek
                      ... troll this jacket !!! ...

                      Nicholas hi
                      It was clear initially laughing laughing laughing

                      drinks drinks drinks hi smile in a different topic, he hung noodles on my ears about the immaculate digitalized West, where they fight deadly with corruption, and officials with expensive watches and using official vehicles for personal purposes just all packs voluntarily resign !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing this jacket is so naive !!! request lol lol lol
                      1. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 20 February 2018 00: 09
                        +8
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        ... he told me in a different thread about naughty immaculate digitalized West, where they fight the corruption smugly, and officials with expensive watches and using official vehicles for personal purposes direct all the packs voluntarily resign !!!

                        Nikolay, you most importantly believe and assent, otherwise it will declare you a liar, send curses and talk will not laughing laughing laughing
                    2. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 20 February 2018 03: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      you most importantly believe and assent

                      recourse recourse then he will understand that we are trolling him !!! what wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      6. Berkut24
        Berkut24 19 February 2018 14: 56
        +3
        - That's just not for palm oil!

        But this does not care. As long as our agriculture uses grandfather technologies and there will be a shortage of milk in the country (and high prices for it), producers will buy palm oil. Regardless of whether it is Indonesian or not. And they will spend dollars on it. Then what difference does it make for us - for dollars or for oil we give out airplanes? The oil in our country has an internal consumer, the producer will not be left without money. And our aircraft plants need orders like air.
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 19 February 2018 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: Andrey K
      Congratulations to our specialists from Rosoboronexport.

      I join in the congratulations good Well done, now we will worry about the Mig-35, but for me in vain, he will also find his customers!
  2. DenZ
    DenZ 19 February 2018 14: 16
    0
    After the F-5E / F Tiger II, landing on the Su-35 is probably like after Launch of World War I on any La-7
  3. Kent0001
    Kent0001 19 February 2018 14: 17
    0
    Are they not afraid of the United States and its sanctions?
  4. Simon
    Simon 19 February 2018 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    According to the newspaper, part of this amount will be covered by “counter deliveries of Indonesian goods”.
    - That's just not for palm oil!

    Of course! And how, so that there was allocated a place for the Russian military base! wink
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 February 2018 16: 02
      0
      Indonesia is not going to provide anyone with a place for foreign bases. Regional power, people are 115 million more than in Russia.
  5. nivander
    nivander 19 February 2018 14: 22
    +1
    from F-5 to SU-35 it’s like from PO-2 to Yak-3
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 February 2018 14: 31
    +1
    So why are the Americans so "aroused"?
  7. andrewkor
    andrewkor 19 February 2018 14: 36
    0
    Oh, I remember how the Chinese piled up TAPOiCh with goods at the expense of paying for IL-76 in the 90s. I then had the first color TV set, Samsung, by the way. And how various sticks were welded in during the era of deficit!
  8. thinker
    thinker 19 February 2018 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: VERESK
    supply coffee, rubber, palm oil and others to Russia... Let's live! All done! wassat

    The soul rushed over the bumps ... and to delve into laziness.
    Payment with oil and other goods does not mean that they will be physically brought to Russia, explains Konstantin Makienko, an expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. We are talking, as a rule, about commodities that are easy to sell in the markets of the region.
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 February 2018 14: 46
    0
    It turns out - 100 million dollars a piece.
    Even a little more than the "golden" F-35
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 19 February 2018 19: 22
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It turns out - 100 million dollars a piece.

      not all the same they pay with money ... here are the costs of the Indonesian "vagaries" !!! wink tongue tongue wassat wassat wassat
  10. Prutkov
    Prutkov 19 February 2018 15: 11
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It turns out - 100 million dollars a piece.
    Even a little more than the "golden" F-35

    Not only Jews can bargain.
  11. Tests
    Tests 19 February 2018 18: 46
    +1
    It’s a normal contract. Let's fantasize a little
  12. Tests
    Tests 19 February 2018 18: 54
    +3
    Something my computer got sick, it seems. Nobody read the full text of the contract. Is there anything about continuing cooperation if the first 11 planes will appeal to Indonesian pilots? And about training pilots and technicians for the first 11 cars? And about TK, MZ, APA, UPG and other equipment for servicing 11 aircraft? And about the continuation of Tu-95 flights, at least once a quarter or half a year? And what about the calls of ships and vessels of the auxiliary fleet of the Russian Navy to the ports of the sovereign state of Indonesia? ... Only assumptions and fortune-telling on coffee grounds when delivering Indonesian coffee ... Our aircraft manufacturers will be busy with work - and this is good news.
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 19 February 2018 21: 59
    0
    Indonesian newspaper Kompas reported some details of the contract for Indonesia to acquire 11 Russian Su-35 fighters
    But it’s curious - how many Su-35s are in our VKS ?! And you just hear - they bought, these signed a contract ...! sad