The court overturned a strange penalty for publishing photos from the Victory Parade 1945 of the year

In the State Duma will consider a bill that the publication of Nazi symbols not for propaganda purposes can not be considered as a reason for criminal or administrative prosecution. Such a bill appeared after the incident in the Arkhangelsk region, where a local resident was fined by the Isakogorsky District Court, who published a photo of the Victory Parade 1945 of the year on his page on the social network. In the well-known photograph, the Soviet victorious warriors are preparing to throw banners and standards of defeated Nazi formations to the Mausoleum.

A little more than a month ago, a resident of Arkhangelsk, Mikhail Listov, was fined under the article 20.3 of the CAO "Propaganda or public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia". The court found that the photo from the 1945 Victory Parade of the Year is exactly this kind of propaganda.

Local blogs passed information about the fact that M. Listov was fined allegedly for being active during A.Navalny’s protests. However, in the end it turned out that the fine was imposed precisely for publishing photos from the parade in Moscow.

The Arkhangelsk court after a resonance in the media and social networks overturned the decision of the Isakogorsky district court on alleged propaganda of Nazi symbols. ” Mikhail Listov himself commented on the final decision to the portal «29.ru».

I am very pleased with this decision, 90% of people were for me. There were, of course, all sorts of scumbags, but people have common sense. Many supported me, thanks everyone. If there was no such resonance, we could not win.

The very fact that the courts at the moment, in fact, can attract any Russian for what he will publish on social networks, for example, historical the photo with the defeated Wehrmacht soldiers (since Nazi symbols are on their uniforms) already looks, to put it mildly, strange. It turns out that even the TV channels that put on the air the film “Seventeen Moments of Spring”, the courts are currently ready to fine for “demonstrating Nazi symbols” by the letter of the law.

Comments

[210ox]

Tell the fool, he’ll hurt his forehead too. Also, "Wait a minute," you must forbid .. There the wolf smokes ..

[Logall]

All questions to the legislators! So in a hurry to come up with a useful law that they forget about its "flip side". Although, why be surprised? - Half Duma athletes and artists ...
Dmitry, good morning!

[cariperpaint]

here it is not the legislators but the performers. For example, my mother is engaged in antiques. a lot of different edged weapons. but since it is with documents and is recognized as a historical value and not a weapon, there can be no complaints. but as soon as they announce some kind of operation in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they make a purchase from her and then a month she pulls it out of them. idiotic examinations and so on and so on, if all the papers are available. they don’t check how normal people need the seizure. stupidly chop sticks. comes to the ridiculous that the last time the purchase was carried out by transporters))) we always have all the troubles because of the performers. always and everywhere

[Logall]

Performers are performers, and when creating a law, you need to consider all the consequences! And in the Duma they are only now thinking about amendments ...

[cariperpaint]

1. Propaganda or public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols, or paraphernalia or symbols similar to Nazi paraphernalia or symbols to the point of confusion, or paraphernalia or symbols of extremist organizations, or other paraphernalia or symbols, the propaganda or public display of which is prohibited by federal laws, -
shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of from one thousand to two thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense or administrative arrest for up to fifteen days with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for officials - from one thousand to four thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for legal entities - from ten thousand to fifty thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense.
2. The manufacture or sale for propaganda purposes or the acquisition for sale or propaganda of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols, or paraphernalia or symbols similar to Nazi paraphernalia or symbols to the point of confusion, or paraphernalia or symbols of extremist organizations, or other paraphernalia or symbols, propaganda or public demonstration which are prohibited by federal laws, -
shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of from one thousand to two thousand five hundred rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for officials - from two thousand to five thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for legal entities - from twenty thousand to one hundred thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense.
and what's wrong with that?)))

[Shurik70]

I am very pleased with this decision, 90% of people were for me

I think he is wrong. For him, 99,9% were, just in letters to him the remaining 0,1% was 100 times more active.

[udincev]

Quote: cariperpaint

and what's wrong with that?)))

Everything is correct. "17 Moments of Spring" - 100% passes: a film with drafts and criticism removed, Mosfilm and distributors to fine, the rest - 15 days.

[cariperpaint]

exactly. only you again forgot about the performers. it’s stupid to make exceptions to such a law, but you need to execute it wisely. I fully admit that sooner or later such a figure will be found. Well, just for this, the courts exist.

[AnpeL]

On m ... lo of these judges - really did not understand what they were doing. In this case, the meaning of such a photograph is precisely that Nazism was defeated, defeated. But it turns out, since the court sentenced him for such a photo, then he (the court, the judge) does not like this situation.

[faridg7]

Quote: cariperpaint

exactly. only you again forgot about the performers. it’s stupid to make exceptions to such a law, but you need to execute it wisely. I fully admit that sooner or later such a figure will be found. Well, just for this, the courts exist.

They’re not there, they’ve already been found. Here the court decision was canceled, and what punishment does the judge bear when his decision is canceled? Although what am I - they are untouchable, now almost completely

[mole]

Quote: faridg7

Here the court decision was canceled, and what punishment does the judge bear when his decision is canceled

Mlyn ruined the statistics of the District Court!
Normal private companies (with a name) value their reputation oh, and the clerk from the government does not care about reputation costs, the main instruction is to be followed. The reputation of the authorities is only watched before the elections!

[LSA57]

Quote: udincev

Mosfilm and distributors are fined, the rest - 15 days.

In 1976 he was awarded the State Prize of the RSFSR named after the Vasilyev brothers, and in 1978 - the prize of the KGB of the USSR. Premiums to select.

[Logall]

Quote: cariperpaint

public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols

Here ... There are no reservations in which cases this is permissible! And since they are not there, then you can punish everyone legally ...

[cariperpaint]

in my opinion, reservations to such a law are unacceptable. Well, let’s say they’ll allow in a historical movie. I already present a couple of films which after this reservation cannot be prohibited and my children will watch them. reservations are double-edged sword.

[Logall]

Quote: cariperpaint

reservations are double-edged sword.

Then do not be surprised if you begin to be pressed because of photos from the 45s placed somewhere ... Or the burning of the Bandera flag ...

[cariperpaint]

about the Bandera flag did not understand something ...

[Logall]

You will (for example) burn the Bandera flag, and they will tell you that they showed fascist symbols ... And prove after that that you are not ...

[cariperpaint]

Well, why should I burn it, and even to the public? Is this a fetish? I don’t understand people who do something for a selfie. I want to burn, I’ll go to the wasteland and burn. although I doubt that I will need such a thing.

[Senior manager]

This whole story speaks about the quality of the judicial system, practice shows that the judge is not independent - with all that it implies. No one has canceled the vertebral right, no matter how much they seek, there is no such law.

[Alexanast]

Quote: cariperpaint

and what's wrong with that?)))

It depends on what is considered propaganda and public demonstration ...

[andj61]

Quote: cariperpaint

and what's wrong with that?)))

Advocacy is understandable! A public demonstration?
Any film about the war contains signs of "public demonstration of Nazi symbols." How else to show enemies, designate them, etc. And what - instead of the official flag of Germany - red, with a white circle in the center and a black swastika inside, which was in 1933-1945, to demonstrate something else? Or write - directly on the flag - is prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation? You don’t have to get insanity either! After the words “public demonstration” add “in order to promote or create a positive image” - or something like that. Then everything will be fine. And we often have enough senility. At the time, a bunch of people were fined for using the state flag of Russia - hung over the house, taken to a demonstration or rally - guilty! The law was tweaked. But the state emblem, in my opinion, can still be shown exclusively by the state.

[Dedall]

andj61, I support your comment and want to add that, for example, in the current flight simulators, drawing on the tail of Hitler planes with all kinds of cubes and squares instead of a swastika annoys me. DCS is particularly aggressive in this regard, which every time overwrites the output of the correct identification marks. And I was always pleased to shoot right at him.
But with these icons you can safely walk somewhere in Lithuania or Estonia. So there is a legal conflict when the law is in the EU and the USA, but no one thinks to implement it in order to prevent rebirth. What is interesting in connection is whether our unfortunate lawyers (like Medvedev) tried to sue these countries somewhere in court?

[Eule]

Quote: andj61

fined for using the national flag of Russia

Since it ".... or symbols similar to Nazi paraphernalia or symbols to the point of confusion, ...." is similar to the symbols of the auxiliary units of the Wehrmacht, namely the "Vlasov army".
Probably for this

[Serg koma]

Quote: cariperpaint

and what's wrong with that?)))

They didn’t start from those times, it is necessary to start with KuKryNikSov, since 1941 they “propagated” Hitler himself and fascist symbols

[mole]

Quote: cariperpaint

and what's wrong with that?)))

Correctly spelling, and WELLNESS?

[Alex 2016]

You are mistaken, they still think how to raise their salaries and, for what else, to withdraw money from people. For snow, air, etc.

[mole]

Quote: Alex 2016

You are mistaken, they still think how to raise their salaries and, for what else, to withdraw money from people. For snow, air, etc.

Judges, as special entities, were expelled from medical by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. surveys with suspicion of driving while intoxicated. Equating to the prosecutor. All other "special subjects", and even more so "mere mortals" - STO does not apply!

[LSA57]

Quote: Logall

Performers are performers, and when creating a law, you need to consider all the consequences!

I will answer you with folk wisdom. When asked by a sage, 100 fools will answer sooner or later. to the question that asks, 100 wise men will never answer. so here, how to apply it locally is not quite smart, but helpful performers, it is impossible to foresee

[Vanek]

Quote: Logall

in the Duma they are only now thinking

So he answered himself ...

[Rostislav]

It's like that. There is never enough time to do well, but there is always time to redo it.

[Monos]

In this area, it is impossible to rigidly formalize everything. And to avoid excesses of performers is also impossible. Common sense should be present, but common sense and legislation are not compatible. Alas.
Oh, forgot to say hello. Good morning Alexander

[Svarog51]

Victor, good morning

Common sense should be present, but common sense and legislation are not compatible. Alas.

For some reason, I thought about the reenactors. What are they? According to the "letter of the law" all polls in jail? And those in the Patriot Park Reichstag defended, too?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Svarog51

For some reason, I thought about the reenactors.

That's it, and so are they. I’m already silent about our model brother. It turns out that I have potentially a whole article on the shelves. And, if you conduct a raid on model shops, then hoo ... you can close everyone.

[Svarog51]

Alexander, welcome Well, isn’t you insanity? But what about the monument to the Soldier-Liberator, where he tramples on the swastika? Well, at least he is in Germany, otherwise he would have flown in.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Svarog51

Well, at least he is in Germany, otherwise he would have flown in.

Good afternoon. And here they could be perverted - to begin to “blur” the swastika on the images of the monument (postcards, posters). Yes, proactive and not-so-hellish mixture.

[Svarog51]

Yes, proactive and not-so-hellish mixture.

Let's hope that the mind will win.

[Monos]

Good day, Sergey

Quote: Svarog51

For some reason, I thought about the reenactors.

But what about them too! Lawyers and deputies defeat common sense. Although, I always had suspicions that their written letters had long won over common sense.

[Svarog51]

Lawyers and deputies defeat common sense.

So it was necessary to identify someone in the defenders of the Reichstag, right now they would comb the turnips.

[Monos]

In general, the topic was raised correctly and on time. When the West decided to deprive us of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, building a competent and active defense was an urgent issue. And such jambs are not good for the cause, but rather harm. In general, who would have thought that after 73 years after the Victory, we will again have to defend the then conquered world and our Victory!

[Svarog51]

Victor, the fact of the matter is that “their own” shit sometimes more foreign. Someone thoughtlessly, and someone intentionally, knowing that they would not be anything for it. Look down at the branch, as Serg65 attacked Seryoga.

[tasha]

stupidly chop sticks

The issue of motivation of workers, especially civil servants, has not been resolved since primitive times ... And the planning and stick system, with all its imperfections, is, alas, at the moment the only way to somehow control and influence employees ...

[cariperpaint]

Well, here I do not agree) there are many ways to motivate employees. they just don’t take root as we don’t try) especially in structures like the Ministry of Internal Affairs)))

[tasha]

Of course, there are many ways to motivate, but as you correctly noted, they simply will not take root.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: cariperpaint

here it is not the legislators but the performers. For example, my mother is engaged in antiques. a lot of different edged weapons. but since it is with documents and is recognized as a historical value and not a weapon, there can be no complaints. but as soon as they announce some kind of operation in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they make a purchase from her and then a month she pulls it out of them. idiotic examinations and so on and so on, if all the papers are available. they don’t check how normal people need the seizure. stupidly chop sticks. comes to the ridiculous that the last time the purchase was carried out by transporters))) we always have all the troubles because of the performers. always and everywhere

They hope to bring money from your mom.

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

They hope to bring money from your mom.

With an antique dealer to bring down money?
They make a plan until they get it in the teeth - they won't leave.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

Quote: Krasnodar

They hope to bring money from your mom.

With an antique dealer to bring down money?
They make a plan until they get it in the teeth - they won't leave.

And what amuses you so much - from my rather poor acquaintances, the owners of a clothing store, grandmothers tried to bring down the same makar. What is new? ))))

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

And what amuses you so much - from my rather poor acquaintances, the owners of a clothing store

- That gasoline, and then - the children! (c) film "Gentlemen of Fortune"

Quote: Krasnodar

grandmas tried to bring down the same macar.

also seized historical values? Che something new!
ps Antiquarian is always dating, communication, money.

[Lexa-149]

Laws are laws, but our executive officials (judges, prosecutors, investigators and others) in their initiatives, often simply having lost their common sense, do not know how to withhold! So they row everyone under one comb without hesitation!

[vlad66]

Quote: Logall

So in a hurry to come up with a useful law that they forget about its "flip side".

Sanya here rather the performers overdid in an effort to break his forehead. but this judge is felts Toli order fulfilled.

[Warrior with machine gun]

good day, it’s not even the legislators, but the performers, the professionalism of the Russian court is at its full height, magnificent, brainless, but convenient and useful people are critical, and when things are missing in their karma, they begin to engage in professional idiocy like in this case, because not capable of more.

[Skif83]

Nothing changes in the Russian State.
Fools and expensive are our priority ...
Only fools are much more dangerous! This already borders on the machinations of enemy agents, to equate the shots of the Victory Parade with agitation - we can regard it as an attempt to ban everything connected with the memory of the heroic Victory. of our people ... A normal “Helmsman” would simply disperse this court with a wolf ticket!

[ICT]

Quote: 210ox

Also, "Wait a minute" must be prohibited .. There the wolf smokes ..

you can’t shoot new episodes wherever he smokes, and before films about the war it’s constantly mentioned that there are scenes promoting tobacco smoking,
and the article about the banner simply doesn’t mention one nuance, the person who posted the photo is the positioner, and was under the control of a certain FSB officer (the last name can be clarified) And the first mistake was made to him and this is not the first case, there was still a woman who suffered for a photo of her yard in Smolensk during the occupation (but there, it seems, without politics it’s just some kind of a goat that’s a plus for itself; it’s earned a private matter), at the very height of the kukryniksy’s palms, they stuck it with sticks
and the photo for this article would be changed by admins, otherwise it’s a bit cowardly

[andj61]

[quote = TIT] [quote = 210qu]
and the photo for this article would be changed by admins, otherwise it’s a bit cowardly
[/ Quote]
So you have violated the legislation of the Russian Federation ...

[AntiFREEZ]

Interestingly, do psychologists check judges for adequacy? Well, it’s kind of like the policemen are now on duty.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AntiFREEZ

Interestingly, do psychologists check judges for adequacy?

Come on, they’re allowed to drive drunk while driving, and you’re talking about the adequacy of ....

[tasha]

Come on, they’re allowed to drive drunk while driving, and you’re talking about the adequacy of ....

Well, I didn’t expect from you anyone. Nobody allowed anyone to ride drunk .. The discussion on this subject already was.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

Nobody allowed anyone to ride drunk.

Traffic cops were forbidden to draw up drunken judges and send them for a medical examination. HOW DO YOU GOING TO PROVE THAT HE WAS DRINKED AT DRIVING? This means - allowed!

[tasha]

Similarly, traffic police officers do not, for example, issue drunken diplomats. Can diplomats drive drunk?
Of course not.
Now, having stopped the vehicle on the road with, as it may seem to him, a drunken judge, the traffic police officer immediately notifies the duty officer, and he himself waits until the cavalry arrives ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

and he waits until the cavalry arrives ...

No, he can ONLY make a report.

According to the previous version of the regulation, the inspector could draw up a report on the offender, send him for a medical examination or remove him from driving.
New amendments prohibit this. Now, the inspector must act as before: in the case of a violation committed by the prosecutor, draw up a report, describe the essence of the violation and send it to the head. The relevant order is published on the Internet portal of legal information.

RIA News.
P.S. Himself is not a fool to swell, but that would be drunk behind the wheel - no, no!

[tasha]

Read the order, not its interpretation ...
Notifies the attendant.
And besides,
“If there is sufficient reason to believe that the judge or prosecutor, while driving, is intoxicated, the employee, in order to ensure the safety of others, takes measures to stop the further movement of the vehicle until the conditions that impede the further movement of the vehicle are eliminated.”
For example, it blocks the passage.
Well yoshkin cat ...

[AUL]

But I wonder, HOW did our legislators motivate this provision? After all, they had to justify it somehow! It would be interesting to read these justifications. Well, clean neighing ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: AntiFREEZ

Interestingly, do psychologists check judges for adequacy?

Come on, they’re allowed to drive drunk while driving, and you’re talking about the adequacy of ....

They, as a rule, are not checked by cops when they see xivy.

[Mar.Tirah]

After all, the proverbial right among the guards is that there would be a saying: “If there was a man, there would be an article.” This looks especially sophisticated against the background of the adoption of the law about the impunity of drunken judges. It seems to us that we will never get rid of it.

[tasha]

the law of not implicating drunk court

No one has passed such a law. Have you watched the movie "Pinocchio"?

[sabakina]

Quote: tasha

the law of not implicating drunk court

No one has passed such a law. Have you watched the movie "Pinocchio"?

This is not a law, this is the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs No. 948

The order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs came into force, clarifying the rights of traffic police inspectors when communicating with participants in the movement. The road patrol service now has no right to remove from driving a car and send them for examination for intoxicated judges. Inspectors are also not entitled to seek administrative arrest in court of drivers who refused to provide a car at the request of a police officer.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3541826

[tasha]

I do not want to repeat myself. Read the order in its entirety, and not its dishonest interpretations ... And also watch the movie "Pinocchio" ...

[Serg65]

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he will break his forehead

Oh. Dmitry! Not so simple in the Danish kingdom !!!
Listov was tried not for the photo, but for the text written under the photo ...

“I found on the network photos of grandfathers who really fought. Wadded, stupid people, find at least ONE St. George ribbon on them! Botox-soaked nonsense trained you like Pavlov’s dog. You begin an idiotic shambles at the sight of a striped rag, for which in 1945 you would be shot on the spot ... .. ".

https://cont.ws/@redpower/846654
The well-planned provocation to Navalny was a success!

[AntiFREEZ]

Quote: Serg65

Listov was tried not for the photo, but for the text written under the photo ...

Hmm ... then the title of the article itself

The court abolished a strange fine for publishing photos from the Victory Parade 1945 of the year

raises questions.

[Serg65]

Quote: AntiFREEZ

Hmm ... then the title of the article itself
The court abolished a strange fine for publishing photos from the Victory Parade 1945 of the year
raises questions

This is a question for the VO administration What did they want to achieve?

[forty-eighth]

I didn’t want to write, but for some reason you are actively trying to misinform the people, so I will answer. That comrade was tried for a public demonstration of the symbolism of Nazism, that is, for the PHOTO, and not for the text, no matter how rotten it was. Therefore, stop misleading the people.

[Serg65]

Quote: forty-eighth

. Togo comrade tried for a public demonstration of the symbols of Nazism, that is, for the PHOTO, and not for the text

I apologize for your comrade, but do you have an initial court order?

[forty-eighth]

Apologize to him personally. Look on the court website. Seeker let him find it.

[Serg65]

Quote: forty-eighth

Look on the court website

Those. protection, in your person, can not provide justification on the merits of the issue?

[forty-eighth]

The defense represented by the Arkhangelsk court has already done this for me. Now justify your misinformation that my phrase “that comrade” from under your false fingers has transformed into “my comrade”.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Serg65

Listov was tried not for the photo, but for the text written under the photo ...

“I found on the network photos of grandfathers who really fought. Wadded, stupid people, find at least ONE St. George ribbon on them! Botox-soaked nonsense trained you like Pavlov’s dog. You begin an idiotic shambles at the sight of a striped rag, for which in 1945 you would be shot on the spot ... .. ".

Mwa ha ha ... I wonder if Listov is generally aware of the existence of the Order of Glory?

[Serg65]

Hello Alexey

Quote: Alexey RA

Sheets generally aware of the existence of the Order of Glory?

Is Listov interested in this?

[Proud.]

Quote: Alexey RA

Mwa ha ha ... I wonder if Listov is generally aware of the existence of the Order of Glory?

It means that this is not in the know-Medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."

[saltickov.]

already banned.

[LSA57]

Quote: 210ox

Also, "Wait a minute" must be prohibited .. There the wolf smokes ..

forbade

[RUSS]

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he’ll hurt his forehead too. Also, "Wait a minute," you must forbid .. There the wolf smokes ..

Recently, a criminal case was opened against a guy who is engaged in historical reconstruction, allegedly he made food from which to shoot, in other words, he made firearms, and one of the historical museums in Russia took historical guns away from sight, squeaked and muskets .... .

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he’ll hurt his forehead too. Also, "Wait a minute," you must forbid .. There the wolf smokes ..

"There is nothing worse than an executive fool ak. Assign this seedlings in the garden to plant, so from zeal he breaks the ten apple trees that give the fruit around him" - (the phrase ascribed to Peter-1)

[Piramidon]

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he’ll hurt his forehead too. Also, "Wait a minute," you must forbid .. There the wolf smokes ..

"17 Moments of Spring" is the first candidate to ban trial. There is a swastika in almost every frame.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The court abolished a strange fine for publishing photos from the Victory Parade 1945 of the year

[Yegorchik]

They crush active people, let's not lie to ourselves, the judge was not an idiot, he saw what the photo was in front of him and fined the person not for the photo, but for actively participating in the protests, and the photo was just a clue for the punitive system.

[kipage]

We have a lot of absurdity
Whatever you say
But we criticize others very actively

[Herculesic]

Full of country idiots, s! These are the authorities who will overturn the laws and decrees as they understand them, to the benefit of their corman! ! It was necessary to oblige them to publicly apologize! !!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Herkulesich

It was necessary to oblige them to publicly apologize! !!

big money ... - they don’t understand another.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

big money ... - they don’t understand another.

Right. They have everything measured by money

[Serg65]

Quote: Herkulesich

Full of country idiots, s!

You first understand the essence of the issue, and then knock yourself on the head!
https://cont.ws/@redpower/846654

[Herculesic]

Serg65-and what is not the glory of God?

[Serg65]

Quote: Herkulesich

Serg65-and what is not the glory of God?

Have you read carefully? Or with a swoop?
I focus your attention ...

Navalny laid out the act of inspecting the Listov page, compiled by Y. N. Arkhireysky. A yellow felt-tip pen emphasizes the phrase: “5 photographs are attached to the record, one of which depicts soldiers holding banners holding Nazi symbols.” But it is not difficult for an attentive viewer to read the phrase higher from the same paragraph: “Text entry„I found on the network photos of grandfathers who really fought. Wadded, stupid people, find at least ONE St. George ribbon on them! Botox-soaked nonsense trained you like Pavlov’s dog. You start an idiotic shambles at the sight of a striped rag, for which you would be shot on the spot in 1945... .. ".

Highlighted is the signature of Listov under the photos! And it was precisely for these words that the court tried to fine this, so to speak, man!
Do you personally support Listov in his words ????

[ICT]

Quote: Serg65

Do you personally support Listov in his words ????

you can go and scream at him at a meeting, but these words should not distract employees and courts from their professional activities to protect their people, including all who are in bulk from criminals of all stripes

[Serg65]

Quote: TIT

these words should not distract employees

That is, Emelya, your week? In this case, I can safely, without fear of the consequences, walk through your relatives ????

[ICT]

Quote: Serg65

walk through your relatives ????

Yes, there’s no problem while we don’t sit in one swami, only I won’t call for trash and I’ll inflict tinsel on my own, and under certain circumstances mentoring may come on if one of us wakes up in the hospital, but not earlier

[Moore]

This pale slime in the style of Navalny’s idiots, and indeed for those who lack the brains, looked at other photos from the same Victory Parade.


A provocation, yes, failed

[elenagromova]

Navalista not sorry. But the penalty is wrong - this picture propagates not Nazism, but struggle against it.

[ICT]

Quote: elenagromova

But the fine is wrong - this picture does not propagate Nazism, but the fight against it

well, there are still a lot of ships from above, as they say, it will be so, but you would have to sort out your opposition, otherwise the house of the “teachers” goes on

[Yegorchik]

Quote: elenagromova

Navalnist is not sorry.

People go to the bulk because the real opposition is crushed, all who really opposed Putin in prisons, from Kvachkov to Kirill Barabash and only the bulk hangs on the info floor. From that people become his supporters. So there is no reason for everyone who participates in protests organized by bulk revenge under one comb.

[Shurale]

The sentence is not strange but scary!
This case is a vivid proof that our state is a police state. Draw your own conclusions. If we do not change this, it will be worse further, as in the most terrible American books about totalitarianism.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Shurale

The sentence is not strange but scary!
This case is a vivid proof that our state is a police state. Draw your own conclusions. If we do not change this, it will be worse further, as in the most terrible American books about totalitarianism.

English is no worse ... George Orwell and his immortal works “Animal Farm” (“Animal Farm”) and “1984” are real monuments of totalitarianism. still shudder ...

[Mussasi]

Great works, nothing more.

[Altona]

Quote: squeeze

We have a lot of absurdity

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It seems to me that this absurdity is being imposed on us on purpose. On such an "absurdity," everyone can be blamed. As for the opposition and other things, the opposition should be sound and reasonable in the country, and not caricatured and tame. It is even more strange if one liberal fights with another liberal. Liberals Navalny, Yavlinsky and Sobchak are fighting the liberal Putin, that’s really a mega-absurdity. And about Nazi symbols and other things. Here we have one mundep already canceled Victory Day in the Lomonosov district of Moscow. For some reason, Nazi soldiers on Nazi tanks or pilots in Henschel’s cockpit flashed on Victory Day cards for some reason. But this does not bother anyone from the prosecutor's office and other law enforcement agencies. Under Yeltsin, even military caps were sewn with high tops like the Wehrmacht or the SS. And nothing. A photo is posted on the website of the Ministry of Defense where girls wear a field uniform (soldier’s cap) or pin a jaeger edelweiss (well, it’s kind of like a sign of love in Bavaria). Here we have such an absurdity.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Altona, sorry "plus" once you can ...

[savage1976]

Alas, our lawmakers do not shine very well and the courts are not particularly independent in order to be guided by common sense in determining sentences.

[Firework]

Quote: TIT

and the photo for this article would be changed by admins, otherwise it’s a bit cowardly

you are a brave man, the zeal of officials is blind and absurd, even scary somehow from this

[ICT]

Quote: Salute

you are a brave man

I'm just a scumbag, Skomorokhov can confirm

[AVGUST]

Stop the panic, I agree that the court made the wrong decision, which was later challenged, because this also has a plus, the fact is that this will be a prerequisite for the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation to issue a resolution of the Plenum of the RF Armed Forces, the approximate name would be: "On some issues of the application of the legislation of the Russian Federation on cases against Nazi propaganda", where all the delicate points of the law will be chewed ....... and this will become mandatory for lower courts, i.e. for ALL federal courts and judges

[DPN]

Do not tell tales.

[AVGUST]

I’m not even trying, I just know the practice, because I’m a practicing lawyer, so if there is a precedent, let alone an appeal, then the court will then make this decision of the Plenum

[CooL_SnipeR]

We have good judges who need to chew on everything ... maybe even put it in your mouth? How to take bribes, but in a sauna with girls - not a nada to teach

[AVGUST]

Everyone himself is a pride of his own happiness, I don’t dare to judge for each person, but if from practice, in most cases, girls (women) become judges, because, studying at a law school, they first do all the dirty and low-paying work for the judge, such as writing a descriptive and motivating part of decisions, all kinds of requests and the like (I won’t load it), and then, when the university has already been finished a long time ago, there are already children when the place becomes available (allocated already for years to come), then she becomes a judge, and men simply simply can’t wait so much, because you want to invite a girl somewhere (restaurant, cinema), and then you need to feed your family something, and they are paid 15 tr. ........., sadly however.

[jovanni]

Still to pass some kind of law against judicial idiocy and impunity. They don’t like photos from the Victory Parade, they don’t strive to send the defenders of Donbass to be torn to pieces by Bandera ... How can Griboyedov not be remembered - "... who are the judges ???

[Tatanka Yotanka]

judges, we have a branch of power, one of the rotten heads, Khakhalev, Sochi frauds for 100 million dollars with the participation of an incredible number of judges, or the sentence to Leonid Khabarov- “in an unspecified place of the investigation, at an unspecified time came into contact with unidentified persons”

[Stas157]

A little more than 100 years ago, the famous lawyer Koni said exactly about this incident (from memory): “Between two points, the shortest distance is a straight line. But, in life, we get from one point to another not by the shortest way, in a straight line, and going around mountains and ravines. Any law, not seasoned with common sense, but executed straightforwardly, can become lawlessness. "
The Arkhangelsk judge is clearly not familiar with the works of an outstanding Russian lawyer in pre-revolutionary Russia.

[Vard]

According to the provision, the judge makes a decision, guided by the “internal convictions” as well ... and here, unfortunately, there is a phenomenon that the qualifications of the judge are simply not enough to judge .... moreover, the issue of attracting experts is also left to the discretion of the judge ...

[Serg65]

Well what can I say, my friends, .... the next match of Navalny against the state ended with 1-0 in favor of Navalny! The Internet people, as the boy Lesha suggested, will eat this fake and will not even think about it. what he swallowed!

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he will break his forehead too.

Quote: TIT

and the article about the banner simply doesn’t mention one nuance, the person who uploaded the photo is the positioner, and was under the control of a certain FSB officer (the name can be clarified). And in the first oversight an order was issued for him and this is not the first case

Quote: AntiFREEZ

Interestingly, do psychologists check judges for adequacy?

Quote: Mar. Tira

After all, the saying goes among the right of the guards is, “If there were a man, there would be an article.”

Quote: Herkulesich

Full of country idiots, s!

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

big money ... - they don’t understand another.

Quote: BecmepH

Right. They have everything measured by money

And here are the words "a good man whose 2 grandfather died in the war"

“I found on the network photos of grandfathers who really fought. Wadded, stupid people, find at least ONE St. George ribbon on them! Botox-soaked nonsense trained you like Pavlov’s dog. You begin an idiotic shambles at the sight of a striped rag, for which in 1945 you would be shot on the spot ... .. ".

“Do not believe your eyes. For only shackles restricting our freedom are visible to our eyes. To consider the main thing, you need to use understanding. ”

[ICT]

Quote: Serg65

And here are the words "a good man whose 2 grandfather died in the war"

Polina Danilevich: “There are a lot of such photos on the Internet. I found this on one of the Smolensk forums and, recognizing in the photo my yard and my house, I decided to share the photo with my friends. ”

Polina has not yet deleted the photo from the social network, noting that she was not told in court whether she should do this, reports TASS.

and where does Navalny


(and, in general, my opinion is the BEST project of the Kremlin to eliminate any other sound opposition)

[Serg65]

Mr. TTT, do not wag your tail! She didn’t say a word saying nothing about what he wrote under the photo! Can you provide the initial post Danilevich?

Quote: TIT

Yes, and in general, my opinion is the BEST project of the Kremlin to eliminate any other sound opposition

And who is the sound opposition?

[Yegorchik]

Quote: Serg65

And who is the sound opposition?

Sokolov, Barabash, Kvachkov, only for some reason they all are in prison, and bulk Lech says he wants to be free.

[ICT]

Quote: Serg65

original post Danilevich

if you try to shovel my comments at the time of the conflict between the stars in the children's world, but as soon as the pictures are removed there when the site was updated, at the time of publicity they shone with all the requests, now you need to rummage for a couple of hours

And who is the sound opposition?

it is not only crooks and thieves, moreover, they were grown by the pancreas with us swamis, when they came from the very top to the basements of power

[DPN]

It seems that people thanks to EG have greatly retrained if they cannot distinguish the swastika advertisement from the defeated banners thrown to the foot of the Lenin Mausoleum. Surely the Russian bourgeoisie does not like the Mausoleum on this and clung to photography. They forget that the people of Russia are now united only by the VICTORY of 1945 and nothing more.

[Stas157]

Quote: DPN

It seems that people thanks to EG have greatly retrained if they cannot distinguish the swastika advertisement from the defeated banners thrown to the foot of the Lenin Mausoleum. Surely the Russian bourgeoisie does not like the Mausoleum on this and clung to photography. They forget that the people of Russia are now united only by the VICTORY of 1945 and nothing more.

So children will soon cease to know what the Mausoleum on Red Square is! No wonder that the Kremlin carefully studded it with plywood for significant holidays.

[sib.ataman]

But no one had the idea that the oakiness and unambiguity in the formulation of the law itself and the same approach in judicial practice to comply with it is such Jesuitly vile subversive activity on the part of the fifth column, disguised as very patriotic.

[asv96]

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he’ll hurt his forehead too. Also, "Wait a minute," you must forbid .. There the wolf smokes ..

I'm late. It has long been banned.

[sgapich]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he will break his forehead

Oh. Dmitry! Not so simple in the Danish kingdom !!!
Listov was tried not for the photo, but for the text written under the photo ...

“I found on the network photos of grandfathers who really fought. Wadded, stupid people, find at least ONE St. George ribbon on them! Botox-soaked nonsense trained you like Pavlov’s dog. You begin an idiotic shambles at the sight of a striped rag, for which in 1945 you would be shot on the spot ... .. ".

https://cont.ws/@redpower/846654
The well-planned provocation to Navalny was a success!

That is, Listov is trying to prove that among the participants of the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945, there was not one awarded the Order of Glory or the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945"? Or that the people awarded the Order of Glory were not part of a group that threw fascist flags at the foot of the mausoleum?

[Serg65]

Quote: sgapich

That is, Listov is trying to prove

She is trying to prove that everyone who remembers and honors their grandfathers is just the winners !!!!!

[mihey]

I am writing under your last post, having read all the previous ones.
It is somehow strange that our people, indeed, rush to comment without knowing the essence of the whole thing. You are right that the court was in charge of the signature to the photo, but turned everything over to the photo. And here, few people paid attention to this, continuing to drive the wave, threatening to sweep everything and everything ... That's how we live in a world turned upside down. Sadly ...

[Serg65]

Quote: mihey

It is somehow strange that the people here really rush to comment without knowing the essence of the whole thing

You're right. someone mentioning the photo hurt a living, blood to the head and away we go !!! And I understand such people, I initially grabbed a dagger, but when I saw the name of Navalny, I decided to check ...
And someone is trying to earn points on this fake, and once again kick the power for one thing, especially now it is a very fashionable act!

[mihey]

Quote: Serg65

on this fake

Unfortunately, this is not a fake, there was a fact with a photo and a signature, the court also was, there was a decision. Then the decision was canceled, taking into account only the photo, but not the signature. In general, they perverted everything. This sheet comments rubbed. The wording of the court verdict "For the propaganda of Nazi symbols ..." - that’s stupid. There is no propaganda there, and it was necessary to judge precisely for the comment, but we have such legislation that it cannot be summed up under the article. It's a pity.

[Altona]

Quote: Stas157

A little more than 100 years ago, the famous lawyer Koni said exactly about this incident (from memory): “Between two points, the shortest distance is a straight line. But, in life, we get from one point to another not by the shortest way, in a straight line, and going around mountains and ravines. Any law, not seasoned with common sense, but executed straightforwardly, can become lawlessness. "

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Formally, everything seems to be correct, but essentially a mockery. The spirit of the law was utterly distorted.

[Million]

Fools in Russia for 100 years in stock.

[andrej-shironov]

Yes, fools in all three branches of the current Russian government are not few! Clone them there or something, or only such take root?

[Servisinzhener]

I wonder how long such a judge would remain at large after Comrade Stalin was informed that the newsreel was banned by the decision of that judge because of the demonstration of Nazi symbols on her?

[BAI]

Fools in power are a terrible force!

[pafegosoff]

Our courts .... there are thousands of examples. Remember how, somewhere in the south, a group of security forces held in bondage and killed the inhabitants. So, everything taken away the judges awarded the family of killers. Why? And here is a high-profile case with a judge-mom at a billionth wedding. And, it turned out, she bought a diploma. Here, it seems like the case when it was necessary to show the principle of the court and recoup on the "collective farmer", thereby covering several "thieves" cases with the justification of real criminals. This is when for a bag of hay or a bucket of potatoes they give four years of reinforced (in tsarist times - rods at a shameful pillar), and a pedophile-rapist or serial killer is released (if he has - a cover in the form of power and money (before - penal servitude or public shame when the perpetrator shoots before the trial - remember “Vass Zheleznova”? And remember the numerous cases of pedestrians killed by major motorists ...
Legislators? N-yes ... Well ... wait for another war. She will clear twenty years of space and society. But the war will be. The world is going crazy. Earth's population is zombified. Something similar was observed in Eurasia, starting from 1904 and from 1936. Moreover, the population shows a lack of logical thinking, a “clip” memory (most forget that it was a week ago), the lack of real education is replaced by pedology, the substitution of some real human values ​​in society for some “tolerant”, conditional (this incident with the Victory Parade is a real example of liberal-perverted values ​​that consume the Western world, like cancer, and, as you can see, infect Russia with some order, remember the Yeltsin Center). These people openly laugh on the feat of a pilot who blew himself up with a grenade or a special forces officer who caused fire on himself in Palmyra. Dr. Myasnikov was stunned to see how many such people are in Russia (Thursday, Myasnikov on Vesti FM radio).

[demo]

Here are interesting people gathered on the site.
Do you read each other's comments?
Some blame the judge and carry nonsense about the police state.
Others dump a lot of emotions and inconsequential data.

But the judge fined some watchdog on a formal basis - demonstration and propaganda of Nazi symbols.
But in reality, he crushed the bastard for the fact that he attributed all of you and me to the “quilted jackets,” pointed to our zombies with the “botex shorty,” and suggested not to shy at the sight of the “St. George's rag”.
The judge had no other option to attract non-humans.

And laws are always written with us so that it can be applied “universally”.

It is what it is.

[ICT]

Quote: demo

"botex shorty,"

and what now

[CooL_SnipeR]

Court list to dismiss ... parasites ... what now tanks, ships, all sorts of watunders to block? There are a lot of symbols! Block the site, then at least swastikas on tanks, etc. I just can’t understand how ??? There were people like people and suddenly became diby ... paradox (c) Brother 2

[urman]

Quote: 210ox

Tell the fool, he’ll hurt his forehead too. Also, "Wait a minute," you must forbid .. There the wolf smokes ..

And who is currently working in the law enforcement system?
Undergraduates
Remember, the criminal case brought against the headmaster,
for the fact that some kind of sponsor equipped the computer class with left vindos.
AND THAT YOUNG SOLDIER WHICH, with an impenetrable view,
argued that she was fighting counter-piracy
That's how everywhere, allegedly, law enforcement agencies are fighting a violation of the law.
They don’t dig deeper, they are afraid of laziness, and the mind is not enough. .

[Bypassed]

This is called the manipulation of consciousness - the substitution of concepts. There is no Nazi symbolism as such - there is Aryan symbolism, elements of which the Nazis used to:
1. Confirmation of one's God's chosenness (and what can ideas do - but Teutons can't?)
2. Erasure of a whole layer of historical memory among the Slavic peoples (take in a search engine - Aryan symbols among the Slavs)
In India, for example, for such manipulations, you will say inadequate - they have this symbolism in high esteem and by the Nazi, they do not consider it - at the very house there are statues of Indian gods with elements of this so-called "Nazi" symbolism.

[vanavatny]

an animal, by the frivolity called a judge, can’t even be checked on a breathalyzer ... my country is terminally ill, again, instead of laws, statistics, a goal, instead of garbage paper heaps, and the accuracy of the written nonsense is monitored by crowds of judges and officials who are stubborn and stinking with prosperity , prosecutors ... they say that the Soviet Union was a colossus with feet of clay, and now who are we? all this vertical of power, which one very good person is very proud of, strongly resembles a puff oozing pus, covered with innumerable worthless paper and empty slogans, and we all rush on this pillar, as in Japanese fun, down from the mountain, although the helmsmen certainly have worthless piece of paper that we ride this scooter uphill ... and I'm not talking about this particular example of idiocy, I'm talking about impunity, irresponsibility, stupidity, who killed the country twice in a hundred years

[bane's jacket]

Quote: vanavate

an animal, by the frivolity called a judge, can’t even be checked on a breathalyzer ... my country is terminally ill, again, instead of laws, statistics, a goal, instead of garbage paper heaps, and the accuracy of the written nonsense is monitored by crowds of judges and officials who are stubborn and stinking with prosperity , prosecutors ... they say that the Soviet Union was a colossus with feet of clay, and now who are we? all this vertical of power, which one very good person is very proud of, strongly resembles a puff oozing pus, covered with innumerable worthless paper and empty slogans, and we all rush on this pillar, as in Japanese fun, down from the mountain, although the helmsmen certainly have worthless piece of paper that we ride this scooter uphill ... and I'm not talking about this particular example of idiocy, I'm talking about impunity, irresponsibility, stupidity, who killed the country twice in a hundred years

I will add from myself

https://twitter.com/VRSoloviev/status/96410364839
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[Loess]

And so it turns out that law and justice are essentially different things ... They wanted the best, but it turned out as always ...

[Gormenghast]

The judge, if guilty, is only partially. And then, because I could interpret it as the appeal wrote.

But those stupid people who accept moronic laws for wild money are to blame.
But most of all the one to blame is the one who drew up the administrative protocol. Judge - bonded, he has a case in production. But no one forced a fighter against fascism to draw up a protocol in this case. He perfectly understood what he was doing. This is clearly a national traitor.

[Bulrumeb]

Judge - Bonded

Yes, well, what’s the reason for this frightened judge? who forced to make such a decision?

[zivXP]

I propose that such judges immediately deprive them of the opportunity to continue to hold state posts. Only in this way is there any chance of further stagnation of the state.

[uskrabut]

The court is one of the three branches of government. Only for some reason, the people do not elect judges, hence the swagger, ignorance, and frank non-observance of laws by such appointed pseudo-judges. Not all of them are, I know many very worthy, but too often dishonesty began to occur, it is dangerous for the country.

[uskrabut]

It’s a huge misfortune when frank dumbasses are in responsible posts. And there have been more and more of these recently, this is alarming.

[vanavatny]

Yeah, Stirlitz (Standartenfuhrer with a swastika) walked with Kat down the street, a shot rang out, Kat fell,. Shtirlits was wary ... from this caste, nepotism and lawlessness it’s time to panic already, and not to be alarmed when the guarantor says aloud: I sometimes don’t know what to do with this, bearing in mind the kodla in uniform, then it’s too late to guard act, although the politota says that he waited 20 years and now kaaak will give everyone their foreheads ...

[Bulrumeb]

The very fact that the courts at the moment, in fact, can attract any Russian for posting on the social network, for example, a historical photo with the defeated Wehrmacht soldiers (since Nazi symbols are on their uniform), already looks soft saying weird.

We’ve gotten completely sick already, we are laughing at the gay people with their tolerance, but what are we doing?

[PValery53]

If judges “cannot” (do not want to) distinguish “demonstration of Nazi symbols” from anti-fascist actions and works of art (x. From n.), Then they MUST be removed from their work for professional unsuitability.

[grandfather_Kostya]

Another confirmation, according to the "laws" you can’t live! You can only deal with criminals.

[Hort]

The court considered that the photo from the 1945 Victory Parade was precisely this kind of propaganda.

There is still a question to raise about the suitability and qualifications of a judge. Laws by laws (stupid and incomplete), but common sense and logic must be included

[Simple russian]

It is known that in Russia there are two troubles: fools and roads. In the Duma of fools at least a dime a dozen.

[fa2998]

Quote: cariperpaint

1. Propaganda or public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia or symbolism,

Prohibit Stirlitz to hell !! There, he is all hung with Nazi symbols from sleeve to cap, and he throws up his hand in a Nazi salute!

[Mentat]

The very meaning of the law implies use for propaganda purposes.
If someone places a photo from the Victory Parade and writes a comment below such as “what a pity that Nazism was defeated, great ideas” - it is obvious that he used the image for propaganda purposes.
First, it’s worth clarifying what kind of fruit it is, and what he commented on in the social networks under these photos. networks. But it would not have happened, as in that story with a schoolboy who drew some kind of symbolism on his hands, and his “teachers spread rot for the bulk icon”.

[Mentat]

Quote: bypassed

This is called the manipulation of consciousness - the substitution of concepts. There is no Nazi symbolism as such - there is Aryan symbolism, elements of which the Nazis used to:
1. Confirmation of one's God's chosenness (and what can ideas do - but Teutons can't?)
2. Erasure of a whole layer of historical memory among the Slavic peoples (take in a search engine - Aryan symbols among the Slavs)
In India, for example, for such manipulations, you will say inadequate - they have this symbolism in high esteem and by the Nazi, they do not consider it - at the very house there are statues of Indian gods with elements of this so-called "Nazi" symbolism.

Nazi symbolism is - a swastika of a square shape, rotated to the right by 45 degrees, usually black in a white circle on a red background.
It’s you who are doing it here unclear for what purpose the substitution of concepts. You will bring your consciousness there to an adequate level, so that one day you don’t explain to the court that you didn’t mean Nazi symbols at all, dragging a red ribbon with a swastika in a white circle on your jacket.
In India, educated people are well acquainted with the history of who you are scribbling these scribbles here for, it’s not clear.
It is historical memory that provides immunity against neocultures, one of which, it seems, you had the chance to plunge into.

[VeteranVSSSR]

,, ... the mind can not understand Russia ... '', well, stupid

[Ros 56]

As they say, make a fool pray to God, he will break his whole forehead.