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Russian army will be deprived of smartphones

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is considering the option of restricting the operation of modern cellular communications with cameras and satellite navigation systems in the central office, command and control bodies and troops (down to the subunits). The Kommersant writes about the plans of the Ministry of Defense, citing sources close to the Russian General Staff.


Instead of smartphones, all military personnel were asked to use the simplest models of push-button telephones with the function of sending SMS and equipped with a built-in flashlight. The General Staff compiled a list of devices that can be used by the military. These are simple push-button telephones worth up to two thousand rubles: Nokia, TeXet, Alcatel and Samsung.

Russian army will be deprived of smartphones


Thus, the army intends to deal with information leaks. As the newspaper notes, the military department at least since 2014 has been experiencing "many problems" because of this: for example, during the annexation of the Crimea to Russia, the military took photographs of objects belonging to the Ukrainian army. These images hit the Internet and then “were used in the West to assert" Russian aggression "," Kommersant explains.

Also, according to the newspaper, the Ministry of Defense was unhappy with the photos from the Khmeimim base in Syria, which were taken after the mortar attack: they were visible serious damage to equipment. Comments from the military about a possible ban on smartphones has not yet been reported.

However, the publication adds, such a ban can be easily circumvented.

Buy a simple "dialer", which you always carry with you and, if necessary, you can show your superiors. A normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket.
- the officer of one of the units of the Ministry of Defense told the newspaper. According to the source of "Kommersant", "no one is going to refuse" in the army.
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  1. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 February 2018 16: 57
    +41
    It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head. Any other devices surrender at the entrance to the military unit. And who will determine the degree of "simplicity" of an imported push-button telephone?
    1. Logall
      Logall 15 February 2018 16: 59
      +36
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head. But who will determine the degree of "simplicity"?

      It’s possible with the old "crackers" ... They can be killed by them if something happens!
      It’s time to take away the smartphone, it’s full of fools - they’re fooling too much, and then they spread it on the network.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 15 February 2018 17: 03
        +26
        During my service, the Sirius radio was in the platoon. With four ranges Two of them were HF, they were sealed. Nothing, they survived. And they ran to call only when at the post office.
        Quote: Logall
        Quote: x.andvlad
        It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head. But who will determine the degree of "simplicity"?

        It’s possible with the old "crackers" ... They can be killed by them if something happens!
        It’s time to take away the smartphone, it’s full of fools - they’re fooling too much, and then they spread it on the network.
        1. Geterosigma
          Geterosigma 15 February 2018 17: 32
          +10
          before ancient people did not brush their teeth and lived in caves and also survived.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 15 February 2018 17: 38
            +20
            And today's people will survive. Don’t worry. Some of the stubborn ones will have to be taught to live.
            Quote: Heterosigma
            before ancient people did not brush their teeth and lived in caves and also survived.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 15 February 2018 20: 21
              +4
              Today's youth is mentally ill. Punish the ruble and plant.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 15 February 2018 22: 07
                +9
                But why on the army phone buttons?
          2. avt
            avt 15 February 2018 18: 18
            +21
            Quote: Heterosigma
            before ancient people did not brush their teeth and lived in caves and also survived.

            bully Mitrofanushek’s you, it’s not like going to the forest - to the park without the “gadget” and leaving it in the clearing. So what? Who, “Okay googul, where are you going to scream south and Mac Donalds here?” bully
            1. Geterosigma
              Geterosigma 16 February 2018 10: 09
              0
              what mitrofanushki what is it? I don’t even have social networks. What kind of Google. I only need the Internet to download books and mail.
        2. Falcond
          Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 18
          +5
          So live in the times of your service, give up everything progressive
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 February 2018 19: 03
            +17
            Quote: FalconD
            So live in the times of your service, give up everything progressive

            Although it is possible to reproduce in the old fashioned way, or will you also come up with a progressive method? wink
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 00
              +2
              So everything has already been invented (in vitro fertilization, for example, for special cases), you are hopelessly behind the times! Although I am glad that in your years you still think about reproduction ... I hope that you are not limited to thoughts!) Good health to you! Your experience is very important, thanks to it you can evaluate what was missing, what needs to be done and where to move on!)
            2. avt
              avt 15 February 2018 23: 26
              +6
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Although it is possible to reproduce in the old fashioned way, or will you also come up with a progressive method?

              They breed by Pokemon.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 15 February 2018 19: 06
            +23
            I live in a modern way, but people who defend their homeland obey orders. And they should be prepared to restrict some freedoms. Yes, and it’s possible to put their lives at stake. This is an ARMY, not a party of hipsters in the gateway!
            Quote: FalconD
            So live in the times of your service, give up everything progressive
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 05
              +4
              Be calm: obey orders, endure restrictions (more precisely, hardships and deprivations ...), they give their lives when the Motherland demands it (see the news), hipsters do not hang out ..!
              So everything is fine
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 21: 00
            +9
            Quote: FalconD
            So live in the times of your service

            and what does it have to do with it? !!!!
            it’s quite logical that they’ve banned them, as they’re minors .... only that they don’t cover the toilet on the air, the same thing happens with the movement of military equipment, it’s better to take a toy away from them than to judge by their article on espionage
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 21
              +2
              Study articles 275, 276 and 283 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and do not say nonsense anymore! And then, by your logic, the owner of a smartphone is a spy!))
              1. Felix99
                Felix99 16 February 2018 11: 49
                +4
                The owner of the smartphone is the owner of a GPS beacon that works in the background. Even simple push-button telephones allow you to track the location of the subscriber at base stations. And the location of the unit in which IMEI is known and the telephone numbers of several military personnel are known is generally very valuable information.
                Jammers in each unit will put the code - a matter of time.
              2. ZVO
                ZVO 16 February 2018 13: 28
                0
                Quote: FalconD
                Study articles 275, 276 and 283 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and do not say nonsense anymore! And then, by your logic, the owner of a smartphone is a spy!))


                The philistine look at the smartphone in the Army and comments on it.
                I recommend to read.
                https://topwar.ru/103520-foto-s-boevoy-sluzhby-i-
                ih-posledstviya.html
          4. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 16 February 2018 06: 01
            +3
            Falcond But what about a smartphone in the army is progress, a way to increase combat training? Sometimes the price for this can be equal to life and not only the user of this device, especially in a combat situation., But also those who are close to him. Moreover, I always want to share what I saw with friends in civilian life and how de facto with those who are interested, but far from friends. In the best case, if such a photo section is simply accused of working for Zanzibar’s intelligence, as it was not in such distant times. But real terms were received.
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 16 February 2018 07: 37
              0
              It's not about smartphones in the army ... life is not limited to the army
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 15 February 2018 17: 13
        +34
        Quote: Logall
        It’s time to take away the smartphone, it’s full of fools - they’re fooling too much, and then they spread it on the network.

        Yes, I think it's time to ban any! Not the Army, but solid classmates, etc. Ugh damn ..
        The connection should be only protected in the Army, to the fullest. Divorced you understand shit democracy, fathers-commanders almost wipe the snot out of the soldiers and report to the mothers ..
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 15 February 2018 17: 23
          +27
          Vitaliy, categorically hi !
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Yes, I think it's time to ban any!

          Quote: MIKHAN
          You’ve divorced crap, you almost wiped the snot out of the soldiers by the fathers-commanders and report to their mothers ..

          According to the stories of their students - now colonels-lieutenant colonels - I would also propose to ban the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers as an organization detrimental to the country's defense. Without sarcasm and irony. And draftees whom mothers are not allowed into the army should put the stamp "Mama-Nyan-Kiselsky" in the passport. And let his whole life, CENZORED, live with this stamp. She doesn’t know how to defend her Motherland - and a mother with an old father cannot protect her, a rag ...
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 15 February 2018 17: 43
            +9
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            She doesn’t know how to defend her Motherland - and a mother with an old father cannot protect her, a rag ...

            not to be admitted to universities, and if graduated, not to be appointed to managerial positions. construction site, ceiling
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 15 February 2018 17: 50
            +10
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            I would also propose to ban, as an organization detrimental to the country's defense, the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers. Without sarcasm and irony.

            There is an opinion that this "committee" from abroad is financing and collecting intelligence with the help of these so-called "mothers" ..
            But alas, you can’t forbid it for now, such a howl will even raise your ears to useless plugging .. NVP needs to be introduced in schools and for teachers to be retired officers (with a good salary and authority on a par with the school principal, where the women are usually supervised now) URGENTLY! Otherwise, the men will lose the army .. Already believe me .. soldier
            1. Cadet
              Cadet 15 February 2018 18: 43
              +2
              Believe the woman, the woman is different, especially the school director, because most of them, sometimes a sergeant or regular conscript who participated in the military base, could successfully replace what you say a retiring officer with a good salary and a warm place they’ll immediately put their own or blat and grief for children from such educators.
              1. Vitaly Anisimov
                Vitaly Anisimov 15 February 2018 19: 09
                +5
                Quote: Cadet
                Sometimes a sergeant or an ordinary conscript who participated in a military base could successfully replace, as YOU say, a retiring officer, with a good salary and a warm place they would immediately shove their children or those from the caretakers and grief.

                In schools, there are no men left at all, they come and go without withstanding all these snot and arrogance (the current advanced generation) I remember I left, escaping from prison, feeling that my nerves were at the limit (looking into the eyes of these arrogant and sissy sons who captured everything and rocked squealing rights and hysteria about human rights, defiantly smiling in the eyes ..) .. Straight heart was stabbed .. men, as I recall .. angry
                Now it seems to be leveling out a little, but you need to take this matter into hard hands ..
                1. Cadet
                  Cadet 15 February 2018 19: 56
                  +5
                  You are not the first of the men who could not stand it; my friend, after working for two years as a physical education teacher, left school.
                2. Falcond
                  Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 45
                  +3
                  And aren’t you the same as you raised this generation ??? Weren't you the economically active population of the country when these children were born ??? You have such an inheritance now to look for the guilty .. mummies and so on ... It is dumb in your case to blame the problems of upbringing on modern women .. and it should be a shame !!! You are so convinced of the correctness of your past, maybe outstanding past, that you don’t notice that, including these, “sissy sons” they are now fulfilling tasks in Syria ... and quite successfully .. and sometimes at the cost of life!
                  So take care of your heart, and stop hysteria ... read "Fathers and Sons" .. history is as old as the world ... Accept the realities and bring rational grain into them, and do not spit in the direction of young guys ..
                  I ask no offense, it’s just boiling up when I read "grandfather stories" here!
            2. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 30
              +3
              It is necessary for the Citizen to grow up, and not a soldafon ... otherwise. By your methods, we will slide down to some countries in Africa, where a child named Kalash runs around with a gun in his hands from the age of 7!
              Patriots in factories, on collective farms and business, too, are ..
            3. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 15 February 2018 23: 36
              +10
              Quote: MIKHAN
              There is an opinion that this "committee" from abroad is financing and collecting intelligence with the help of these so-called "mothers" ..

              I have not heard anything about this, but judging by the results - it seems ...
              Quote: MIKHAN
              NVP needs to be introduced in schools and for retired officers to be teachers

              As I remember my military commander - Vasily Emelyanovich. Half-deaf, one-armed gunner who took Prague. They laughed at him, of course. By stupidity, something ... They did not pay much attention to his everyday tunic with pads. But they knew what he was like in a ceremonial tunic with all orders-medals. He, of course, was not “to blame” for giving the best third of the army’s life and the film “Officers” was still far away ... But there’s definitely five kopecks in my life ... The lieutenant came on vacation - Vasily Emelyanych died. The coffin was brought to school. Thousand 10-12 people came to say goodbye - the entire male population of the neighborhood ....
              This would be now in every school ....
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 21: 01
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Committee of Soldiers' Mothers

            provided that there are no Soldier Mothers on the committee
          4. Falcond
            Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 26
            0
            That's about KSM I agree ... they make a negative contribution
        2. Logall
          Logall 15 February 2018 17: 24
          +12
          Quote: MIKHAN
          fathers are commanders and report to mummies ..

          This is also a problem! These parent committees want a lot ... The child grew up, has become an adult, it's time to answer for yourself! I would be ashamed if my Mother demanded something for me ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 February 2018 17: 36
            +17
            Quote: Logall
            I would be ashamed if my Mother demanded something for me ...

            You may be ashamed ... But my friend and student told me that a soldier from the guard with weapons (!) Escaped, spent a month sitting at some larva, then he went to the military registration and enlistment office with his mother and complained about the "non-regular". Part was turned through the priest with fur inside, and he was transferred from Penza to Krasnodar. To earn ....
            Damn yourself, vacation ....
            That's what the "Soldier Mothers" life-giving do ....
            1. Cadet
              Cadet 15 February 2018 18: 38
              +4
              The parents of one of the units wrote a complaint that their sons had been whole for two weeks, in the morning they were fed buckwheat, that they had a trauma, etc., the unit commander was raped as it should. Poor kids.
              1. insular
                insular 16 February 2018 02: 31
                +4
                Quote: Cadet
                The parents of one of the units wrote a complaint that their sons had been whole for two weeks, in the morning they were fed buckwheat, that they had a trauma, etc., the unit commander was raped as it should. Poor kids.

                So, they correctly raped it, if for two weeks it was really nothing but buckwheat .. Here, also, the fact of inappropriate use should be looked up, and you should have passed by, and even the sky is in a cage.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 08: 42
                  +5
                  Quote: insular
                  Quote: Cadet
                  The parents of one of the units wrote a complaint that their sons had been whole for two weeks, in the morning they were fed buckwheat, that they had a trauma, etc., the unit commander was raped as it should. Poor kids.

                  So, after all, correctly raped if really two weeks or anything other than buckwheat .. Here also the fact of non-intended use should be searched and fucked by, also the sky is in a cage.
                  You will complain to your mother that she will not feed you with anything but buckwheat. And then on condition that you earn on something else but buckwheat. But soldier's work, if it is correctly carried out, does not imply classrooms. There was a time, we have a kid died for a can of deaf. His friends commemorated him with this deaf - half a teaspoon to the entire platoon. He carried it to the boys, he wanted to please friends. And what value and joy is one cigarette for four - you did not have to know? And the fact that the potato is not only Dofiné with parmesan, but also baked at the stake, in which the main fuel is a piece of barbecue - did you not know? I came home on vacation as a lieutenant - my mother wanted to please my son - I made buckwheat with homemade stew in a frying pan. And I just from field training - for three weeks, except for dry food, I did not eat anything. Did I need this mom to throw this buckwheat in my face? He ate and told her that it was very tasty ....
                  He doesn’t like buckwheat ... Without truffles ....
                  negative
                  In 41, my father, near Moscow, as an officer in rations, relied on rice with meat, and soldiers - buckwheat. He changed with the soldiers - and they’re nishtyat exotic - to grab the officers ’ration - and he is pleased - not to squeeze some strange rice, but his native, familiar buckwheat .....
                  Buckwheat to you, you see, has become bad. Fathers-commanders are bad .... The commander of the regiment is a scoundrel - he personally did not go around every ordinary in the apron and did not accept the order for hamburgers .... negative negative
                  1. ghby
                    ghby 18 February 2018 10: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    He doesn’t like buckwheat ...

                    My youngest 4,5 as the hours begin at 10 pm I want buckwheat with milk. And so it can be all week, so there is always a strategic supply of buckwheat at home)))
            2. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 48
              +3
              Well, let's now judge by the actions of individual marginals about entire generations !!! 99% of the guys are people with whom you can work in the troops
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 15 February 2018 17: 45
            +4
            Quote: Logall
            These parent committees want a lot ...

            The motherland gives the latest weapons to the hands, and the mother runs to the barracks to wipe his snot
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 24
              +3
              So tell your mom not to run anymore !!! Or do not say nonsense!
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 15 February 2018 18: 34
                +6
                Quote: FalconD
                So tell your mom not to run anymore !!!

                she walks with difficulty. she is 83 years old
                Or do not say nonsense!

                and what is the stupidity?
                1. Falcond
                  Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 59
                  +3
                  You stigmatize the whole generation of young people ... The generation that performs tasks from Tskhinvali to Latakia while, as you say, the mother runs the snot off of them !!! It’s impossible to talk about all the languid soldiers like this ... thereby you level their contribution to the annexation of Crimea and to work in Syria !!! Your generation, as far as I appreciate your age, except for the useless Afghanistan, the collapse of the Union, the failure of the first Chechen ... there was not much more contribution ...
                  I ask you not to be offended, the claims are not for you personally .., but for your mother of Good health and many years, you are a worthy son!
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 21: 03
                +2
                Quote: FalconD
                Or do not say nonsense!

                do you communicate with a mirror?
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 15 February 2018 22: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  do you communicate with a mirror?

                  belay and where does such a conclusion come from? belay
            2. powermic
              powermic 15 February 2018 19: 54
              +3
              The reality is that in most parts these ordinary weapons are an ordinary shovel. And yes, what are we trying to hide, and from whom?
            3. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 49
              +3
              I don’t see the connection between the novelty of weapons and snot ... and I didn’t see any mothers in the barracks
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 15 February 2018 23: 01
                +2
                Quote: FalconD
                I do not see the connection between the novelty of weapons and snot.

                direct connection. once a weapon is entrusted, it means an adult and he can wipe his own snot.
                Yes and mothers in the barracks did not meet

                and the committee is not mamkin?
            4. insular
              insular 16 February 2018 02: 34
              +2
              Quote: LSA57
              The motherland gives the latest weapons to the hands, and the mother runs to the barracks to wipe his snot

              Hold the oath and three cartridges at the shooting range for the entire service ?!
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 08: 54
                +4
                Quote: insular
                Quote: LSA57
                The motherland gives the latest weapons to the hands, and the mother runs to the barracks to wipe his snot

                Hold the oath and three cartridges at the shooting range for the entire service?!
                If it’s a pure time to calculate how much I held the machine in my hands for the service, then it turns out that for about 10-12 I didn’t let it out of my hands around the clock. And he slept, slipping it under his side. And the shot cartridges must probably be considered cars. And to collect the wreckage personally destroyed from four continents - it will completely pull in a rural cemetery ..
                Three cartridges .... negative
            5. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 08: 48
              +5
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: Logall
              These parent committees want a lot ...

              Homeland gives the latest weapons in the hands, and Mom runs to the barracks to wipe his snot

              And sends diapers in a package.
              And my mother sent me gingerbread cookies in the package and cherry jam ..... That was a joy to the whole platoon! Since then, few things in life have so pleased me as those gingerbread cookies and jam ....
        3. Falcond
          Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 20
          0
          What years did you serve?
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 15 February 2018 18: 33
            +4
            Quote: FalconD
            What years did you serve?

            76-78
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 15 February 2018 23: 51
              +3
              So where did the older generation have such a belief that, like yours, was it right ??? How are you - there weren’t much at all!
        4. sgazeev
          sgazeev 15 February 2018 18: 40
          +6
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: Logall
          It’s time to take away the smartphone, it’s full of fools - they’re fooling too much, and then they spread it on the network.

          Yes, I think it's time to ban any! Not the Army, but solid classmates, etc. Ugh damn ..
          The connection should be only protected in the Army, to the fullest. Divorced you understand shit democracy, fathers-commanders almost wipe the snot out of the soldiers and report to the mothers ..

          In my years I served for three years, there’s no place to call, forest. Around Bendery Reserve. When I was on a business trip in the division, fellow countrymen of one call from the communication center helped, they called on my behalf, reported that everything was fine with me.
        5. Korax71
          Korax71 15 February 2018 21: 42
          +2
          And you probably have Stalin hanging in the red corner of the house instead of an icon. And pray for him three times a day?
          1. Falcond
            Falcond 15 February 2018 23: 50
            +4
            And Maxim machine gun with a Mauser in the barn
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 09: 01
              +5
              Quote: FalconD
              And Maxim machine gun with a Mauser in the barn

              I don’t have a Maxim machine gun with a Mauser in the barn, but I have a registered premium melee and firearm. As well as the award-winning gilded "Beretta" from the government of one of the countries friendly to the Soviet Union. As well as six hunting trunks in the safe. Excuse me ... request Mausers in my time did not reward ....
        6. Falcond
          Falcond 15 February 2018 22: 24
          +2
          It is necessary to prohibit the ban so that the ban is banned! Are you by any chance not Vitalki Milonova a passionate fan ??
      3. Skay
        Skay 15 February 2018 17: 15
        +16
        It's time to take away the smartphone, full of fools

        laughing
      4. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 15 February 2018 18: 08
        +11
        Quote: Logall
        It’s time to take away the smartphone, it’s full of fools - they’re fooling too much, and then they spread it on the network.

        when we could get fucked up for a photo in a demobilization album, but here ..... your God’s wonderful things, geosteering - and look where this soldier walks, or he’ll still catch Pokemon laughing
    2. 210ox
      210ox 15 February 2018 16: 59
      +2
      Yeah .. And with a dozen lards to satisfy the need to fuss ..
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head. And who will determine the degree of "simplicity" of a push-button telephone?
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 15 February 2018 18: 16
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        Yeah .. And with a dozen lards to satisfy the need to fuss ..

        so you can buy from us
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 February 2018 17: 02
      +20
      Or sign a contract with the same texet. Waterproof and shockproof.
      PS
      Buy a simple "dialer", which you always carry with you and, if necessary, you can show your superiors. A normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket.
      Easily determined by modern means. And when the fighter finds the "left" phone, he goes automatically to the "lip". And all the short life.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 15 February 2018 17: 22
        +13
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Buy a simple "dialer", which you always carry with you and, if necessary, you can show your superiors. A normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket.
        Easily determined by modern means. And when the fighter finds the "left" phone, he goes automatically to the "lip". And all the short life.

        On the lips of a fighter ... and a contractor, an officer on a civilian ... and all the problems. The order is the order. Now the information war is no less important, well, and disclosure is not even discussed ...
        Americans sneezed even with running trackers.
        Well, social networks would also be nice to control. How many already popped up through them.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 15 February 2018 17: 36
          +5
          Quote: Barkhan
          On the lips of a fighter ... and a contractor, an officer on a civilian ... and all the problems. The order is the order. Now the information war is no less important, well, and disclosure is not even discussed ...
          At the same time, Kommersant’s depth of knowledge of army relations is striking - “According to a Kommersant’s source,“ nobody is going to abandon gadgets in the army. Add nothing ... “Kommersant” lol
        2. Falcond
          Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 27
          +1
          We’ll have to fire everyone ... and those who write the order, and those who sign it
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 15 February 2018 17: 46
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And when the fighter finds the "left" phone, he goes automatically to the "lip". And all the short life.

        and prescribe it in the charter
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 15 February 2018 19: 58
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Or sign a contract with the same texet. Waterproof and shockproof.
        PS
        Buy a simple "dialer", which you always carry with you and, if necessary, you can show your superiors. A normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket.
        Easily determined by modern means. And when the fighter finds the "left" phone, he goes automatically to the "lip". And all the short life.

        I have such a good thing, but I don’t have any memory at all, I have only one melody and one melody, but it suits me, I specially chose this one, and I have a tablet for mobile Internet, it’s more convenient to pick it from a smartphone.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 February 2018 20: 47
          0
          Quote: lis-ik
          I have such a good thing, only there is no memory at all,

          A flash drive is not fate to insert? There is a slot there. wink And the same melodies can be set from a flash drive. request Fell on the floor 50 times, kept under dispute in the water. Only then the speaker must be purged from the water, otherwise it does not ring, but gurgles. laughing
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 16 February 2018 06: 25
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: lis-ik
            I have such a good thing, only there is no memory at all,

            A flash drive is not fate to insert? There is a slot there. wink And the same melodies can be set from a flash drive. request Fell on the floor 50 times, kept under dispute in the water. Only then the speaker must be purged from the water, otherwise it does not ring, but gurgles. laughing

            I'm happy with that anyway, anyway, the photo from the phone is not at all what it is.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 16 February 2018 06: 59
              +1
              Quote: lis-ik
              anyway, the photo from the phone is not at all what it is.

              That is yes. And with a flash drive you can use it as a player, the battery allows. Really indestructible battery.
      4. Berkut154
        Berkut154 15 February 2018 23: 06
        +1
        It has a camera and two SIM cards))))
        1. SEER
          SEER 15 February 2018 23: 45
          0
          Quote: Berkut154
          It has a camera and two SIM cards))))

          what kind of model? :-)
          1. AVGUST
            AVGUST 16 February 2018 09: 00
            +1
            I’ll have to add a couple of phrases, otherwise the “Administration” of the site believes that my comment is “I don’t carry useful information”, but if on the subject, the phone is called TEXET 511
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 15 February 2018 17: 08
      +32
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head.

      "How many times have they told the world ..." That the most delusional and crazy operations of the Pentagon broke on a stupid Instagram of some American private Ryan .....
      Do we want the same? I think and hope not. I called my wife from Africa to the center of Russia, and the MO telephone operator told her: “Taymyr is calling you” .... I called from Havana - she was told that she was from Krasnodar ....
      In my time, there weren’t any cell phones, but if there were - I would personally arrange sparring for a battalion for him before the formation and would make full contact and beat him half to death.
      I am not against progress, I am not against the communication of soldiers with my mother - for this in my time there was free field mail and a number in \ h ..... I am against the disclosure of information containing operational secrets ... Not to mention the strategic ....
      Something like that ....
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 15 February 2018 17: 20
        +3
        Dear Soldier. I agree with you. But all that you said is not a question of a soldier’s conversation with mom and not even a question of the central office of Moscow Region. First of all, it is a question of consciousness and responsibility of the average officer staff. The easiest way to ensure the restriction of the use of any cellular communication is that of an ordinary soldier, and there are standards here. But they are not fulfilled.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 15 February 2018 17: 50
          +12
          Quote: Hagalaz
          all that you said is not a question of a soldier’s conversation with mom and not even a question of the central office of Moscow Region. First of all, it is a question of consciousness and responsibility of the average officer staff.

          I, as a senior officer who has been both a middle officer, a junior, a cadet, and even just an ordinary soldier, I can tell you, dear, with all responsibility that it’s IMPOSSIBLE to explain something about two thousand secrets to one or two 18-20-year-old boys , securing the operational-tactical plan, and more. Much easier to order. On that stood and stands the army ON THE UNEXPECTED AND MANDATORY PERFORMANCE OF THE ORDER. In the text of the Oath, by the way, it is written about it. And when the task was set for me, I’m not sleeping with my officers for three days, we think how to complete the task - and everything goes to the anus because of two lines and “Classmates” or a photo on Instagram? This is normal?
          How happy I am that in my time there were no cell phones !!!! For a stupid call, he would hit the snout before the formation, and for the failure of the operation due to a photo on Instagram, he would shoot and write to the PSU before the formation. Let Malaya Dendyurevka meet zinc with her "hero" ... Still a street and a school in Big Lapotniki to name him .....
          angry
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            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 09: 07
              +4
              Quote: Hagalaz
              P.S. : How is Kizlyar with the stars?)) And I prefer my own production ...)))

              drinks
      2. Falcond
        Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 28
        +1
        Do not disclose
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 21: 07
          +2
          Are you really fooling around or is it like that in life?
        2. avt
          avt 15 February 2018 23: 23
          +3
          Quote: FalconD
          Do not disclose

          wassat
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Are you really fooling around or is it like that in life?

          Such. One well fool Mitrofanushki, they sacredly believe that if he says to Google that he agrees that Google does not disclose his secrets, then everything will remain between him and Google. I personally saw such an individual, and really, “advanced” in “gadgets” at the level of a programmer who sincerely believed that from the “Cloud” it’s really possible to fuck up on him about anything, but in general it is immense. bully To the question, Does he know what kind of storage for the NSA is building the NSA, and indeed, what the Internet is and who, and most importantly for what it came up with, only got his eyes shut. bully Patients on the head with the psychology of sectarians. fool YouTube is clogged with rollers for connecting to outdoor surveillance cameras, but such people are in complete confidence - they will open their favorite smartphone, hen, who will open it. bullyAs I even remembered on this subject the film USovsky - ,, Three days of condor. "But for them it’s an old man
          Quote: FalconD
          You are hopelessly behind the times!

          Quote: FalconD
          It is necessary for the Citizen to grow up, and not a soldafon ... otherwise. With your methods, we will slide to some countries in Africa,

          And the fact that they are already almost characters of an even more ancient film - “Brazil", will completely dare - they are such, “advanced users". bully
          1. Falcond
            Falcond 16 February 2018 00: 26
            +2
            Judging by experience, you communicate with idiots
            1. avt
              avt 16 February 2018 09: 29
              +2
              Quote: FalconD
              Judging by experience, you communicate with idiots

              Even often here on the site I read their comments. bully
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2018 19: 21
                0
                removed from the language
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2018 19: 22
              0
              Quote: FalconD
              Judging by experience, you communicate with idiots
              accounts
      3. karakol
        karakol 15 February 2018 18: 33
        +4
        Uncle, you are deeply wrong. First of all, all these cool gadgets are used by command personnel and the higher the steeper. including copies that issue orders to ban them
      4. Stanislas
        Stanislas 16 February 2018 12: 30
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        I am against the disclosure of information containing operational secrets
        The drug certainly listens to lectures on how the adversary uses their smartphones and conventional push-button telephones in conjunction with satellite, intelligence and other intelligence, and who doesn’t get through the ears, the ear plugs need to be punched.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 15 February 2018 17: 08
      +4
      It is high time. The smartphone completely disables the function of its brain, as well as the GPS navigator of the driver. belay
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 15 February 2018 17: 20
        +6
        ... A normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket ...
        - So far, the rooster has not pecked ... And until a couple of preoccupied gadgets go to grow palm trees in the "sultry" Magadan, with full media coverage, army aliens are still making a noise ...
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 February 2018 17: 29
        +6
        Oleg, from the heart hi !
        Quote: siberalt
        The smartphone completely disables the function of its brain, as does the GPS navigator on the driver.

        And how did we poor fight without them? And I won’t understand how they won. request Maybe if Stalin on June 22 of 1941 th rang on his cell phone at Aloizych at 5 in the morning and asked: "What are you doing ???" - maybe Stalingrad wouldn’t exist ???
        I was incredibly drawn to sarcasm from Kizlyar 5 stars ... I don’t even write correctly, I look around - there are pig snouts around ... And then siij smartphones with instagrams ....
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 15 February 2018 21: 56
          +2
          If Comrade Stalin had a smartphone, like his generals and even ordinary soldiers, you don’t think that everything would have ended at 41. You would have been better informed and orders would have reached faster. It’s not in smartphones. But in the culture of use. but the same secret information is strictly limited for people, and when making an admission, it’s as if documents are signed, that he is aware of responsibility in the event of disclosure. Well, and as a deterrent, a smartphone is a pretty good thing. happens, and our Russian Federation is special in silencing and cooking fakes.
          .
          1. avt
            avt 15 February 2018 23: 37
            +5
            Quote: Korax71
            If comrade Stalin had a smartphone, like his generals, and even to the rank and file,

            bully Well I say - Mitrofanushki
            Quote: x.andvlad
            It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head.
            bully So it was invented ... in the USSR in 60, and the author went to the corresponding technical department of the KGB along with the development. And the first Internet was again for the members of the collegium of the same KGB with updating information every half hour. bully And your DzhiPiS, without which like blind kittens, Chertok still suggested that Gorbatom be done in the same USSR. BUT that needed to stamp pans in the military-industrial complex. Kids! You are so limp that you cannot even find the information you are interested in! Although you poke buttons without rest and go on a hike only with Gugel bully
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 09: 10
              +4
              Quote: avt
              Quote: Korax71
              If comrade Stalin had a smartphone, like his generals, and even to the rank and file,

              bully Well I say - Mitrofanushki
              Quote: x.andvlad
              It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head.
              bully So it was invented ... in the USSR in 60, and the author went to the corresponding technical department of the KGB along with the development. And the first Internet was again for the members of the collegium of the same KGB with updating information every half hour. bully And your DzhiPiS, without which like blind kittens, Chertok still suggested that Gorbatom be done in the same USSR. BUT that needed to stamp pans in the military-industrial complex. Kids! You are so limp that you cannot even find the information you are interested in! Although you poke buttons without rest and go on a hike only with Gugel bully

              I sign with a fountain pen under each word. good
      3. Falcond
        Falcond 16 February 2018 00: 29
        +2
        So GLONAS then removed from modern military equipment, even if they are guided by the sun ..., but the brain will turn on ...
        And in general, why the military need technology? Let them fight with sticks ...

        Think over my suggestion
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 16 February 2018 06: 51
          +1
          What do you think, Glonas or GPS will be long in case of military operations? And to determine the coordinates of the sun and the Polar it is also necessary to be able to. As for military equipment, now this is more of a commercial topic than its supplies to the Russian army, unfortunately. Further along Lavrov, DB.
          1. avt
            avt 16 February 2018 09: 32
            +2
            Quote: Evgeniy667b
            Glonas or GPS for a long time in the event of hostilities?

            That you sho-o-o-o-o-o !!! ??? GLONAS and JP PI ETERNAL! bully This is the creed of the Pokemon sect!
            Quote: FalconD
            Think over my suggestion

            bully
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 February 2018 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head.

      For such a simple question, there is no need to strain the whole MIC. At the call, select all sorts of iPhones and give out something like "Nokia-3310". By the way, an indestructible machine. I am still in working condition. I can sell MO, but only as a museum exhibit (the price is appropriate) smile
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 February 2018 17: 44
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        For such a simple question, there is no need to strain the whole MIC.

        And I have to ...
        The same gunners have a lot of programs for smartphones. Why? Yes, because the artillery we have from the Soviet era in this regard on self-sufficiency. Even Soviet officers swelled a quarter of a day. benefits in programmable calculators.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 15 February 2018 17: 59
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          The same gunners have a lot of programs for smartphones.

          Thank you, but I didn’t know that our army is tied to smartphones and without them in any way. And what, do each ordinary have to have these devices or all the same, at least to the battery commander? Now, let it be known to you, for this purpose TABLETS of Russian production have already been developed and are being supplied to the troops.
          The military tablet is already used by the Russian land paratroopers and paratroopers
          https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141020/1029063615
          .html
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 February 2018 19: 02
            +2
            Quote: Piramidon
            Thank you, but I didn’t know that our army is tied to smartphones and without them in any way.

            In fact, yes. Available in contrast to specialized engineering microcomputers, a bunch of programs written for them. Moreover, this is pure initiative, the state has not invested a dime in it.

            Quote: Piramidon
            Now, let it be known to you, for this purpose TABLETS of Russian production have already been developed and are being supplied to the troops.

            8))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
            You have a smartphone with ready-made programs. You are given a super-duper tablet. Four times the size, and without programs. What will happen? Correctly, pour it into a safe so that it does not break, and continue to use your smartphone.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 09: 16
            +4
            Quote: Piramidon
            Thank you, but I didn’t know that our army is tied to smartphones and without them in any way. And what, do each ordinary have to have these devices or all the same, at least to the battery commander?

            I once saw the artillerymen have some special calculation tables there. A book with numbers half a finger thick - such as the Bradis table at school. But they, the "gods of war", said that a normal artilleryman should remember this book by heart, so as not to rustle the pages in a book in battle ....
      2. vlad66
        vlad66 15 February 2018 18: 17
        +6
        Quote: Piramidon
        At the call, select all sorts of iPhones and give out something like "Nokia-3310". By the way, an indestructible machine. I am still in working condition. I can sell MO, but only as a museum exhibit

        You are late Colleague. request
        The Russian brand Caviar has created a collection of telephones for the military personnel of the Russian army and special services, writes “Lenta.ru” with reference to the press service of the manufacturer. The phone is presented in gold and silver colors, the price of it will be from 99 to 110 thousand rubles. The Invincible collection includes telephones for the military of the Navy with the motto “God is with us and St. Andrew’s flag”, of the Armed Forces with the motto “Serve Russia”, the Airborne Troops with the motto “Nobody but us”, the Air Force with a quote from the Soviet aviation march "Higher and Higher and Higher ..." and FSB officers. The phone is based on Nokia 3310. The device in a titanium case will cost the buyer 99 thousand rubles, and in gold - 110 thousand. Http: //rupor73.ru/lenta-novostej/12917-nepobe
        dimye-rossijskij-brend-sozdal-telefony-dlya-voenn
        ykh

        Here is one of those. laughing hi
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 15 February 2018 18: 45
          +2
          Quote: vlad66
          Here is one of those.


          Phone rather for gifts. For example, an expensive company (sometimes without quotation marks) will be sent for an honorable break and the personnel will decide on 1t.r. Reset for a gift, then just on such a phone and enough + name engraving. Cobat wires of motorized rifles with a similar gift will be generally small expenses for personnel laughing
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 09: 28
            +7
            Quote: Alex-a832
            Quote: vlad66
            Here is one of those.


            Phone rather for gifts. For example, an expensive company (sometimes without quotation marks) will be sent for an honorable break and the personnel will decide on 1t.r. Reset for a gift, then just on such a phone and enough + name engraving. Cobat wires of motorized rifles with a similar gift will be generally small expenses for personnel laughing

            We escorted the division commander - not only the officers took off - soldiers carried 30-50 kopecks. They cried when the division was built for official farewell .... He, as they say now, had enough for a “cool car” - a VAZ 2101 ... And I also remember one regiment commander. They brought home empty zinc with sand and personal items inside - it was torn to dust, there was nothing to collect. With the money of officers-colleagues at the grave, a marble monument - a field sculpture with a machine gun on his shoulder at full height - was put ... After his death for three days, even the day-to-day "Company, Rise!" they shouted in a whisper .... COMMANDERS from Capital Letter were ...
      3. Falcond
        Falcond 16 February 2018 00: 31
        0
        And who will issue what?
    7. Falcond
      Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 16
      +1
      And charge it to Chubais ??? A crazy idea ... it's like with tablets for schools - an e-book at the price of the most expensive tablet! ... Grandmas are state and they are sawing quite well!
      1. Black_Vatnik
        Black_Vatnik 15 February 2018 18: 23
        +5
        How much does this tablet cost?
        I just recently went to a bookstore, looked at prices - left the store and peered at the price of the reader. Not the cheapest reader pays off for 2-3 of the month, if its owner certainly likes to read.
        On this topic. The telephone in the modern army is needed not only as a means of "talking to mom and girl." In our company, every commander of the platoon did not just allow, but insisted that each sergeant have a telephone at hand 24 hours a day.
        They surrendered to safes just before the checks, of course.
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 15 February 2018 19: 39
          +1
          In a good way, we need a special development for the army to support two gprs data transfer formats and an additional one for communication within the town and unit, and encryption is also possible.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 09: 40
          +6
          Quote: Black_Jacket
          I just recently went to a bookstore, looked at prices - left the store and peered at the price of the reader. Not the cheapest reader pays off for 2-3 of the month, if its owner certainly likes to read.

          I have already had 6 or 7 EFFIRE e-book, bought for a couple of thousand rubles. Here it is ..

          Thousands of two or three books (imagine such a volume in a paper version !!! And then on the calculator calculate how much it costs to buy these books - you will faint!). Plus a memory card on 16GB - a nice bonus in the form of a pocket cinema. If you do not consider the benefits in terms of the size of the invested funds - then one of the most useful things that I have bought over the past 20 years.
          1. Black_Vatnik
            Black_Vatnik 17 February 2018 17: 03
            +1
            And what about charging, holds for a long time? If you constantly use it, at least 3 has enough days?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 19: 03
              +5
              Quote: Black_Jacket
              And what about charging, holds for a long time? If you constantly use it, at least 3 has enough days?

              It’s bad with charging - it takes 2-3 hours to read the book. Cinema - an hour and a half. But I'm somehow used to it. In the car, a cigarette lighter is nearby, near the sofa there is a socket. In the gazebo in the courtyard of a chair in the garage with sockets is also not a problem. I almost do not use it on the battery - always to the outlet immediately ....
              1. Black_Vatnik
                Black_Vatnik 17 February 2018 20: 29
                0
                This is extremely small. There are readers that keep charging for a week.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 18 February 2018 15: 14
                  +6
                  Quote: Black_Jacket
                  This is extremely small. There are readers that keep charging for a week.

                  You just didn’t have time to probably read it — I made an addition about it a little lower — I didn’t have time to finish my comment immediately .. The price and availability of the video in my gadget outweigh the disadvantages of a weak battery. I read somewhere that they are made from what remains unclaimed from the production of budget tablets - I don’t know how true it is. Black and white, which hold the charge for a week thanks to another technology, some of my friends have, very, I would say, not bad for someone who does not have round-the-clock access to the outlet - public transport, hunting, fishing, etc. Although I, for example, do not go hunting by train - again, by car. And there’s no time to read especially on hunting and fishing ...
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 19: 21
              +5
              Quote: Black_Jacket
              And what about charging, holds for a long time? If you constantly use it, at least 3 has enough days?

              There are other black and white lcd books. The technology there is different, there is enough reading for a week from time to time. But the movie doesn’t show there, and the price is 4-7 times higher .... Yes, I’m used to it, it doesn’t bother me - it’s not a phone, I don’t take it anywhere with me. So, if only in the clinic to sit in line ... Duc and then - left the car, an hour later he got back into the car. He came to work - also sockets around, both at home and in the country ... In general, for me a weak battery is not critical ...
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2018 18: 32
            0
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            how much it costs to buy these books - you will faint!

            Do you really think that buying electronic versions is much cheaper?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 February 2018 19: 09
              +8
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              how much it costs to buy these books - you will faint!

              and you really Do you think that buying electronic versions is much cheaper?

              And you really Do you think that books in fb2 format can be obtained only by paying for them on Litmir.ru? Are you anything really Have you heard about trackers or electronic libraries on the Internet ?.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2018 13: 19
                0
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Do you really think that books in fb2 format can be obtained only by paying for them at Litmir.ru?

                wow be surprised but the paper version can be stolen the same, I'm writing about legal acquisition
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Have you really heard anything about trackers or electronic libraries on the Internet ?.

                don’t get smart, I have an electronic library of about 3000 publications
    8. ivanec
      ivanec 15 February 2018 18: 42
      +2
      Armenians made their smartphone, but what's the point? It is necessary to make your own operating system, and then hardware ...
    9. INTER
      INTER 15 February 2018 23: 21
      0
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head.

      + you can make this smartphone without a camera, but with many smartphone features.
    10. Ber
      Ber 16 February 2018 08: 06
      0
      It’s time to already come up with a domestic military model of a cell phone, and do not fool your head. Any other devices surrender at the entrance to the military unit. And who will determine the degree of "simplicity" of an imported push-button telephone?


      For the phone, the main thing is that it should be kalo-urine-dustproof. laughing

      But in fact, ordering Zelenograd will not hurt, a simple phone is waterproof, on the Russian element base, that is, all microcircuits are domestic.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 15 February 2018 16: 57
    +7
    A person serving the Motherland must understand his responsibility. And for her and for himself personally. That's all right.
    1. Sergeant71
      Sergeant71 15 February 2018 17: 03
      +8
      People serving their homeland (s) come not from the moon, but from a citizen, where every day social networks, selfies, likes, etc. And one can only learn from it by strict prohibition and sanctions. It’s not the generation now, to call for responsibility. Most (absolute) is all in one place, unfortunately.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 15 February 2018 17: 16
        +1
        Amya, I don’t call. I’m just saying FACT. And so yes, it’s all possible to control especially the slow-witted ones along with .. Or the same military police ..
        Quote: Sergeant71
        People serving their homeland (s) come not from the moon, but from a citizen, where every day social networks, selfies, likes, etc. And one can only learn from it by strict prohibition and sanctions. It’s not the generation now, to call for responsibility. Most (absolute) is all in one place, unfortunately.
  3. Galaxy
    Galaxy 15 February 2018 16: 58
    +3
    Around the enemies, be vigilant, "the talker is a godsend for the spy!" wink
    1. Bosch
      Bosch 15 February 2018 17: 45
      +2
      It really is.
  4. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 15 February 2018 17: 03
    +6
    When I served, 84-86, in the order of things was a team (during inspections) pockets for inspection. But in our days, anyway, loopholes will be found and smartphones will be. In the location of any cell communication should be prohibited.
    It is necessary to solve the issue of personnel communication within the location for economic needs. For the military personnel of any level solve internal issues on the same cellular communications. Send messengers for a long time)).
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 15 February 2018 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: Hagalaz
      But in our days, anyway, loopholes will be found and smartphones will be. In the location of any cell communication should be prohibited.

      Actually, solving the issue is not a problem. It is possible to duplicate through telecom operators ...
      If all of a sudden gloomy guys show up on their terrible faces and nifiga are not kind inside ... Will they refuse?
      Motivation? Clear business is purely democratic ... a question of national security.
  5. dauria
    dauria 15 February 2018 17: 06
    +4
    Buy a simple "dialer", which you always carry with you and, if necessary, you can show your superiors. A normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket.


    Then a humble captain arrives, puts down a piece of paper and asks to write "How, why, and why he had a" normal "phone." The captain leaves the phone and the sheet, and the comrade thinks for a very long time, he takes all the gadgets from the whole relatives and drowns them in the nearest outhouse (sometimes with his relatives). It’s more difficult with soldiers, but if you want, there are enough levers.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 February 2018 18: 33
      +2
      Quote: dauria
      Then a humble captain arrives, puts down a piece of paper and asks to write "How, why, and why he had a" normal "phone"

      “Ahhh, you have bad deeds, comrade serviceman.”
      - And who are they good now?
      “Your business is not just bad, but worse.”
      © DMB
  6. Des10
    Des10 15 February 2018 17: 12
    +3
    “A simple“ dialer ”is being bought, which you always carry with you and, if necessary, you can present it to your superiors. Normal phone in silent mode remains in your pocket
    - the officer of one of the units of the Ministry of Defense told the newspaper. According to the source of "Kommersant", "no one is going to refuse" in the army.
    Yeah, they just didn’t inspect him, so maybe not scared and not smart. Of course, you can snoop, but if you want, even flash drives and punishment are found - before dismissal. There - where they really want to ensure safety.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 15 February 2018 17: 17
    +1
    but it’s weak for us to develop a domestic military-industrial
  8. bald
    bald 15 February 2018 17: 20
    +3
    Yes, the right decision, determine the permitted place and time of calls and skype. And then some sort of sieve turns out, and then they sort it out, how the enemy found out and delivered an air strike (approx.).
  9. dedusik
    dedusik 15 February 2018 17: 24
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    During my service, the Sirius radio was in the platoon. With four bands Two of them were HF, they were sealed. Nothing, they survived. And they ran to call only when at the post office

    In our club, the radio only stood in the club, with bitten coils of HF, and only DV and NE were left. Well, cameras were forbidden - if you want to take a photo, go to dismissal in a photo studio.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 15 February 2018 17: 36
    +2
    But three, four years ago, it was already impossible to start working in the army more closely on this issue? Who are we waiting for?
  11. Bosch
    Bosch 15 February 2018 17: 43
    +2
    This had to be done a long time ago.
  12. savage1976
    savage1976 15 February 2018 17: 50
    +6
    It’s right, to ban a million people in the army, to ban another 2-3 million people in police and law enforcement agencies in schools and educational institutions, to ban another 20 million people. Everyone who works, well, so as not to be distracted, forbid, total VO delete, all social networks are closed well, just as unnecessary. And also to prohibit buying cars, walking on all, to maintain physical fitness, suddenly tomorrow is a war.
    I strongly doubt that in Syria the conscripts for the demobilization album did, that in the Crimea the conscripts took pictures at dill objects. The ban, as always, affects conscripts and junior staff, while the elders, as they scambled, will scamper, they should be shown no one, not the same time.
    Now in the 20th century and the USSR where parents let their children go alone for the whole day to school and kindergarten, now there is much more time and danger, especially for the children. Let’s also prohibit the military from acquiring children, so as not to be distracted from the service.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 February 2018 18: 01
    0
    These are simple push-button phones costing up to two thousand rubles: Nokia, TeXet, Alcatel and Samsung.
    But what about getting up from your knees, what about import substitution? That did not learn how to produce simple phones in Russia.
  14. Freeman
    Freeman 15 February 2018 18: 16
    +5
    LSA57 Today, 17:43
    and prescribe it in the charter

    Well, again, rewrite the charters and instructions. That just brought them to modern realities

    wassat
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 15 February 2018 18: 48
      +3
      Quote: Freeman
      That just brought them to modern realities

      Step number 3. take away your mobile phone .. laughing
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 15 February 2018 20: 28
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Step number 3. take away your mobile phone ..

        After stabbing in the neck. wassat
        1. AntiFREEZ
          AntiFREEZ 15 February 2018 23: 59
          +3
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Step number 3. pick up the mobile phone

          Step number 4. Use this phone to take a selfie against the background of the defeated enemy and send to your Instagram page
  15. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 15 February 2018 18: 28
    0
    The right decision. And only specialized, own production, without any possibility of monitoring the movement of personnel by foreigners on gps tags.
  16. bsk_una
    bsk_una 15 February 2018 18: 29
    +1
    Medvedev, as president, "threatened" to introduce his own digital technology in Russia. And besides verbiage what else is there ?! How much can you rivet different phones, iPhones, sartphones and other equipment. Especially for special agencies that are transferred only for official use. Communication is done. And it could be done. But ... After all, it was necessary to deal with this, but "hands do not reach" and the review is apparently small for reasons. So we still use microsoft, microcircuit assemblies of our enemies. That's why rockets and planes fall. And this, I think, is not the limit; strategists at the right moment may not take off for a retaliatory strike. Zapadentsy know about this, but we do not. Where are the warranties? State husbands have a good justification for the purchase of enemy products (this applies to microtechnology, and food, and pharmaceuticals, etc.) the whole world buys products from each other, therefore we do not need to develop everything. Strange explanation! All over the world there are state red lines where state security should be indicated. But, on the other hand, there is no trust in modern liberal rulers at all. And is it possible to trust Putin, who plays with the oligarchs on their side, and not the people. All his promises usually go to the oligarchs under the tail.
  17. Prutkov
    Prutkov 15 February 2018 18: 30
    +2
    A few years ago I read an interesting interview with Syrian mobile workers. It turns out that on the eve of this mess in the country, the country experienced an explosive growth in mobile and Internet users. Where people came from, all of a sudden, money is not clear. Mobile stations as well as oil rigs were not touched by either SA, Nusra, or ISIS. Mobile workers could move to serve towers throughout the territory occupied by different gangs. Of course, they stopped, checked, but then released. The Ishilov’s pipe was curious and Sims constantly changed with the local population, so that it was impossible to “tie” the number and track the movement.
  18. Cadet
    Cadet 15 February 2018 18: 31
    +2
    But what about the selfie in beautiful berets against the background of a nightstand.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 15 February 2018 18: 44
      0
      Quote: Cadet
      But what about the selfie in beautiful berets against the background of a nightstand.

      Yes, please (in Lenin’s rooms, etc. ..) Soon the position of Politruk in the Army will be introduced, so let him take a picture of the soldier, where he is allowed with his personal “smartphone” and “talk with mom” in his presence at a certain time) )) Then there will be order in the tank troops! soldier
      We have been working in this direction in our country for a long time, but so far it’s not possible sharply .. hehe .. Oh Russia!
      1. Cadet
        Cadet 15 February 2018 18: 54
        +2
        This topic has already been wiped, how many times, the problem seems to have been solved in the early 2000s, there is a phone, hand it to your company or platoon, on the weekend I picked up and phoned my dads and moms and friends, and there’s no problem, the platoon more often in divisions to be and be interested in personnel, where they do so, then there are no problems with mobile phones and never have been. So it was with us in the neighboring parts.
  19. cedar
    cedar 15 February 2018 18: 46
    +2
    It is high time that this personal spy of every soldier was arrested and destroyed ...
    But the majority of young people have already formed a psychological dependence, they can’t live without a gadget ... It doesn’t matter to everyone that he follows and records every step and every word, and passes it on. "Echelon" plows and writes around the clock. The NSA knows more about us than we know about ourselves.
    You bastard smartphone ...
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 15 February 2018 18: 50
    +2
    In Soviet times, they didn’t even give letters before entering the guard, and now everyone has a mobile. Select and issue on weekends. People are busy with military duty, all restrictions are spelled out in the Charter of the Armed Forces
    1. Falcond
      Falcond 16 February 2018 00: 38
      +2
      Do you all live in Soviet times? Wake up and look at the calendar of your smartphone!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 16 February 2018 15: 45
        0
        Quote: FalconD
        Do you all live in Soviet times? Wake up and look at the calendar of your smartphone!

        The rules in life change much less often than smartphone models: that now the soldier will receive a bad SMS before the guard, that he previously received a letter with bad news from home and the choice is not great - on the run or self-shooting.
  21. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 15 February 2018 18: 53
    0
    What is a normal phone? ALWAYS found even more normal than before! Is that normal for a phone?
  22. Falcond
    Falcond 15 February 2018 19: 00
    +10
    Here I read the comments of respected veterans of the military service and am amazed! "Now in our time ... we lived without telephones, without radio ... etc. etc.!" And as a conclusion to all this nostalgia: "We lived and will live now .. we must ban everything ..." What nonsense do you offer ??? Do you really think that prohibitive measures can solve the problem ??? Once upon a time, we lived without hot water .. can also be banned, so that they are tempered and not sick ???
    You will be surprised, but in normal parts the phones are handed over at the entrance to the sensitive rooms, and during the meetings there are jammers ... and no one opposes this ...
    In general, the army system itself creates a problem !! Permanent photo and video reports, without which a meeting is not a meeting ... And how do you think these materials are sent from the field ?? First you need to deal with the vicious practice of slide show-window .. But it reaches the point of absurdity - not shooting is important, but a timely photo report on their conduct with staged shots! That's where the root of evil is!
    Let's forbid navigation, DVRs and bluetooth in the personal vehicles of military personnel .. and all electronic assistants, you can also eavesdrop and track them! We are obliged to ride all the military in the Lada with carburetor engines in the configuration "4 wheels and steering wheel" !!! Remove computers from the troops and return typewriters! And return the entire army to the Stone Age! Well, nonsense!
    Thanks to the youth “with smartphones”, a generation has come to the army that can easily master sophisticated modern technology! And it’s scary to admit you, grandfathers, grandfathers, a good half to a simple computer .. you won’t be able to turn it on, and not just to work on it !!!
    By a simple ban without suggesting alternatives and a systematic approach, DO NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM !!! And then you as adherents of Viti Milonov: “It is necessary to prohibit the ban, so that the ban is forbidden, and the forbidden ban itself was under the strictest ban!”
    Do not be offended, not from evil ... ready to read all your anger !!))
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 15 February 2018 19: 32
      +1
      Solving the problem, their own dialers for the army, data transfer only through the centers of Moscow Region. You can also flash all smarts, by the way it will be cheaper and easier. True, the soldier will not give up an iPhone of the last generation for 100.000 rubles for such a thing, he will gladly put it on the shelf, and he will overwrite the push-button, free ..... laughing hi
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 16 February 2018 00: 42
        +2
        "Your dialer for the army" will cost more than an iPhone ...
        A desk phone with buttons with a special check icon costs 40 ... so don’t make our economy laugh!)
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 16 February 2018 09: 30
          +1
          Quote: FalconD
          "Your dialer for the army" will cost more than an iPhone ...
          A desk phone with buttons with a special check icon costs 40 ... so don’t make our economy laugh!)
          Well, yes, for free it's something I got excited about laughing .... Until gold is covered with a push-button dialer, there will be nothing ..... hi
    2. Seraphimamur
      Seraphimamur 16 February 2018 02: 59
      +1
      Yes, in fact, there is no problem: if you joined the army, you will be kind enough to obey discipline (orders), you can’t - you will be civilian. And the regime of secrecy in the troops has not yet been canceled.
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 16 February 2018 13: 23
        +2
        Five more years will pass and the military will wake up again ... it turns out to be a toy helicopter for 2000r. from the Children's World you can run over a military unit and watch what happens there ... but with toys more expensive and even easier!
        Only they will think about it when it is too late ...)
  23. Arabfun
    Arabfun 15 February 2018 19: 06
    +3
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    I would also propose to ban, as an organization detrimental to the country's defense, the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers. Without sarcasm and irony.
    let it be, but at the same time create a Committee of Soldiers' Fathers and cooperate only with them.
  24. Piramidon
    Piramidon 15 February 2018 19: 08
    0
    Quote: Spade
    You have a smartphone with ready-made programs. You are given a super-duper tablet. Four times the size, and without programs. What will happen? Correctly, pour it into a safe so that it does not break, and continue to use your smartphone.

    Well, that doesn’t mean that every fighter needs a smartphone. But we are not talking about taking them from the commanders.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 February 2018 21: 13
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      Well, that doesn’t mean that every fighter needs a smartphone.

      Does not mean. However, it will be difficult for the commander to demand the execution of an order from subordinates. if he is forced to spit on this order.
  25. Arabfun
    Arabfun 15 February 2018 19: 13
    0
    even in prison there are smartphones and telephones ... the regular army is now completely out of business, they will never fight, the aircraft will fly in or the private traders will do all the dirty work
  26. bmv04636
    bmv04636 15 February 2018 19: 13
    +4
    At the Votkinsk plant, smartphones are forbidden to be handed over at the entrance to workplaces, and military service is not workplaces. And if you get caught, you’re gonna write explanatory letters to people from the office, or maybe ask them out the door
    1. SEER
      SEER 16 February 2018 00: 09
      0
      Quote: bmv04636
      At the Votkinsk plant, smartphones are forbidden to be handed over at the entrance to workplaces, and military service is not workplaces. And if you get caught, you’re gonna write explanatory letters to people from the office, or maybe ask them out the door

      at ONPP "Technology" the presence of the general director and the general designer and the whole retinue did not solve the issue with his phone in any way - no way !!
      at the lepot meeting !!! doesn’t call or distract anything from anyone!
  27. Nitarius
    Nitarius 15 February 2018 19: 19
    0
    Yes, make special phones for the military, etc.! without internet and so on!
    anyway .. FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD! it is necessary that the authorities comply with these RULES and then demand from subordinates!
  28. pexotinec
    pexotinec 15 February 2018 20: 20
    0
    Is it after that American event? With bracelets? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    1. Cetron
      Cetron 15 February 2018 20: 45
      +1
      I took a selfie, put it on the Internet, and the GPS position received a controlled munition directly in my pocket with a smartphone laughing . Tin!
  29. Zebus
    Zebus 15 February 2018 20: 34
    +6
    This is done in an elementary way:
    1. A mobile operator is selected, up to the point that a special one is organized and service SIM cards are issued, on which all extraneous functions are blocked.
    2. Centrally purchased telephones, previously hardware-checked in the appropriate services ... There is experience with office computers.
    3. A wiretap is established, in the flesh, to the point of addressing on other operators, etc.
    4. For unauthorized use with another phone, punish until dismissal ...
    PS And you will be happy! ...
  30. afrikanez
    afrikanez 15 February 2018 20: 37
    0
    Give the buttons to the army! laughing
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 15 February 2018 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: afrikanez
      Give the buttons to the army!

      I can provide an old motorola))) And you can also revive the pigeon mail.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 February 2018 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: afrikanez
      Give the buttons to the army! laughing

      My device will turn 13 in June. Not killed. It will survive the atomic bombing. And no extra features. Call mom - that’s it.
  31. armourer
    armourer 15 February 2018 20: 40
    +1
    Quote: Alex-a832
    In a good way, we need a special development for the army to support two gprs data transfer formats and an additional one for communication within the town and unit, and encryption is also possible.

    Withdrew from the language))) the use of simple phones, and special SIM cards are made for the military. This is the most optimal and safe solution in my opinion
    1. Beltasir matyagu
      Beltasir matyagu 15 February 2018 20: 50
      0
      Simka and her own tower with her channel
  32. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 15 February 2018 20: 48
    0
    Is not a high frequency object? What the hell are more smartphones?
  33. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 15 February 2018 23: 08
    +1
    Finally. My sons are studying at the cadet school. Only push-button telephones are allowed. The phone is stored in the safe at the officer of the teacher and is given out on certain days for an hour. And then the army and just now reached.
  34. would
    would 16 February 2018 01: 21
    +1
    Do you know how to find out if the law is being implemented? Check how often it is published. Here is the very thing, phones in the army are impossible, but in reality there are many places where everyone goes with smartphones and they don’t think of life without it. And why?

    1. Do not personally run and look for a person if he has gone somewhere. A very common problem was when a person is needed yesterday, you don’t know where he is, but you cannot call him. Now you can call him from your mobile.
    2. The camera allows you to photograph what you need, for example, a flaw that needs to be fixed or, on the contrary, the work done and presented to the direct boss and you don’t need to drag him directly to the scene.
    3. Vatsap to put it mildly more convenient even SMS messages and much cheaper.

    So once again, everything will be as it was: With the exception of the hyper-articulated parts, all continue to use prohibited smartphones and no button buttons will solve this, they have too little functionality that does not meet the needs of the personnel. Therefore, the ban did not work and will not work, you can forbid anything, but needs remain and do not disappear. And it so happened that all the personnel have it, then the commander of the unit to the sergeant and it is at these levels that everyone uses smartphones. And if the bosses use it, then they will also unofficially allow contractors and conscripts, including at the level of "You look most importantly so that the elder does not see." What to do with it?

    To develop their smartphones without “bookmarks”, to increase computer literacy due to the lack of which a lot of leaks occurred, to prohibit smartphones only in areas.
  35. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 16 February 2018 02: 52
    0
    At home, a soldier has the right to use any means of communication that does not contradict the law. And in the service to use what is prescribed. During my service, the unit was not allowed to wear an engagement ring, ostensibly for security reasons. So what?
  36. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 16 February 2018 02: 52
    0
    Who needs that one mounts the camera or something. With but you need a budget army service phone. With the shutdown function from the central command post. Or being part of the ammunition.
    1. MaksoMelan
      MaksoMelan 16 February 2018 03: 01
      0
      All publication in the world :) goes through the superior authorities. To post a photo you need to kill the boss and convince him that there are no secrets in the photo :). He answers if something wrong comes up. Let them talk. All pictures to see nafig who needs it. A couple of pictures for relatives will be allowed to send.
  37. EvilLion
    EvilLion 16 February 2018 08: 55
    0
    The Ministry of Defense was dissatisfied with the photos from the Khmeimim base in Syria that got into the social network


    Excuse me, did the soldiers take pictures, or are they all kinds of correspondents who hang around there all the time?

    I admit that there may be a lot of fools among l / s, and even among pilots who personally risk their heads and are most interested in minimizing information. Maybe many have smartphones, although it is not difficult to check several thousand people before sending, and if they can’t do this when sending to the database zone, then with hundreds of thousands of people in parts throughout Russia this will not work out. Here is the access to the Internet from the base staff from where? They have a lot of personal computers, they obviously suppress cellular communications (including with the aim of protecting against sabotage), only the press has all this.

    Phones are updated frequently, almost everyone has cameras who will carry out those. examination?
  38. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 17 February 2018 22: 37
    0
    In general, right. Phones themselves are needed, and it’s good that they are left, and clinging to smartphones and other glamor are pure show-offs.