The myth of the "wretched" Tsarevich Alexei

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The myth of the "wretched" Tsarevich Alexei

300 years ago, 14 February 1718, Tsar Peter I deprived his son Alexei of the rights of the heir to the throne. 5 July 1718, the supreme court, consisting of generals, senators and the Holy Synod, sentenced the prince to death. Two days later, the prince died, apparently due to torture.

Later, the myth was created about the miserable, cowardly, and silly prince who was tried to take advantage of external and internal enemies of Peter's reforms and the creation of the great Russian power. And his disgrace, condemnation and murder were shown as fair and justified actions necessary for the modernization of Peter the Great of Russia, which made her a great European power.



For example, in the article by critic V. Stasov, this is the image of a prince: “The picture of Mr. Ge (“ Peter I interrogates Tsarevich Alexei in Peterhof. ”N.N. Ge, 1871) presents a scene from the life of Peter: he interrogates in Peterhof, in the small palace of his Monplaisir, his son, Tsarevich Alexei, turned from his escape to Austria and Naples. The terrible tsar, already beginning to turn gray, sits by the table on which are letters incriminating the prince in his intrigues and treasonous intercourse. Before him stands his son, falsely or sincerely repenting, - a long and skinny, real figure of a dull, narrow-headed deacon ... what drama is here being performed! Similarly, the two extreme opposites of people came together from different parts of the world. One is the energy itself, uncompromising and mighty will, a handsome giant in a Transfiguration caftan and high military boots — all excited and turned his wonderful, burning head to this son, this unreasonable, this enemy, who has taken it into his head to become on the road. Anger, reproach, contempt - everything here burns in his eyes, and under this look the colorless head of a young criminal, who does not dare to look directly at the terrible judge, fell and fell. He is insignificant, he is despicable, he is disgusting in his pallor and Old Believer cowardice. " Thus, the character and appearance of the prince - a stupid coward, miserable and insignificant, and is treated to the present time.

The fact that Peter the Great was great historical personality, no one doubts. But the question is why he pursued his son and eventually allowed him to be killed. Perhaps he himself took part in this terrible crime. After all, the "contemptible" Alexei did not have the opportunity to confront him. He was declared a miserable insignificance! But Peter, instigated by Catherine (Marta Skavronskaya) and Menshikov, continued to pursue him, forced him to flee Russia with his restrictions, then returned him with a promise to have mercy, but did not fulfill it. As a result, one of the worst pages in the history of the Romanov dynasty happened. The father persecuted his son to death.

Since Tsarevich Alexei is a man devoted to the old order and poor, he could simply be removed from the road without killing. Alexey refused the throne, even swore voluntarily to the new heir to his stepbrother (son of Catherine I). It seemed that everything was simple, you can drive him into exile, into a monastery, or put him in a hole. But Peter and his inner circle were afraid of something. What - the “prince-idiot”? Why kill Alexis? After all, physically eliminate only strong and smart competitors.

However, everything becomes clear if you get acquainted with the personality of Tsarevich Alexei. A. Pushkin, who was not only a great poet, but also an excellent historian, reads: "The prince was adored by the people (Peter, however, was hated by most of the people, considered “the antichrist.” - Author.), Who saw him as a future restorer of antiquity. The entire opposition (even the Prince. Yakov Dolgoruky himself) was on his side. The clergy, persecuted by the Protestant king, put all their hopes on him. Peter hated his son as an obstacle to the present and the future destroyer of his creation. ”

The prince was not physically and mentally "miserable." His teacher, Güissen, in a report to the sovereign, noted that Aleksey "is intelligent far above his age." The prince made a favorable impression on others. The English envoy to Russia Vitvort, in a letter sent from Moscow 28 February 1705, noted: "... I had the honor to greet the son and heir to the Tsar, Alexei Petrovich, a tall, handsome prince of sixteen, who speaks Dutch perfectly ...". Tsarevich Alexei knew Latin, Dutch, French and German. He was a great lover of books and reading. In addition to theology, he seriously studied history, philology, bought books on military science, mathematics. Had a large library at that time. Tsarevich supplemented his education abroad, improving his knowledge in the field of foreign languages, studied geometry, fortification and other sciences. I also studied various sights abroad; I bought books in large numbers, both religious and secular.

Thus, the Russian prince was one of the most educated people of that time in Russia. Obviously, someone had to expose Alexei Petrovich as a kind of idiot, whom one should not regret. Later, the Russian emperor Pavel Petrovich, who challenged the British lion, was blackened by the same method.

Alexey Petrovich was born on 18 (28) in February of 1690, in Transfiguration. In the first years he lived in the care of his grandmother Natalia Kirillovna and mother Evdokia Fyodorovna, nee Lopukhina. His first teacher was Nikifor Vyazma, a weak and worthless man.

The first crack between father and son was the attitude to Evdokia. Peter and Evdokia loved each other at first. But Peter quickly became addicted to military and maritime affairs, and very early on became acquainted with the rampant life and all its pleasures, in the circle of young (most often) merry comrades. Among them were many foreigners, often adventurers who want to earn and make a career in Russia. Obviously, among them were the "agents of influence" of the West. Peter was constantly on the move, in Pereslavl, Voronezh, Arkhangelsk, near Azov. With brief meetings, the queen, who hated everything foreign, could not restore the mood in their relationship.

The decision to divorce Evdokia was taken during the journey of Peter abroad. From abroad, the young king ordered his people to persuade the queen to get a haircut as a nun. The queen strongly opposed. Returning to Russia 1698 year, Peter broke her resistance. Evdokia was sent to the Suzdal Pokrovsky Monastery. There she was shorn. For what? No information. If Evdokia was to blame, this was reported in the famous condemnation of 1718. It was written there only by the hand of the king himself, that she was removed "for some of her oppositions and suspicions." The act of the king was very immoral and cruel - he imprisoned a young woman in a monastery, after several years of marriage, the mother of two sons, without guilt, to please her whims or political considerations. At the same time, the king and his buddies led a very dissolute way of life, contrary to the patriarchal Russian mores. And foreigners were laying under it girls, like Anna Mons's sweetheart.

“With all respect,” writes the historian M. M. Shcherbatov, “which I have for my greatness in monarchs and great in people in my heart I retain, with all my feeling that the state’s greatest benefit required him to have, in addition to Tsarevich Alexei Petrovich children, the successors of his throne, I can’t help myself not to cheat on his divorce from his first spouse, born Lopukhina, and his second marriage, after his first wife, to prisoner Catherine Alexeyevna ... Let the monarch have strong reasons for that, which however Well I do not see kro ie its inclination to Monsovym resistance of his wife was newly installed. "

Apparently, the main reason for the rupture of a marriage and the tonsure of a queen as a nun is dislike for everything foreign. Alexander Gordon, in her “History of Peter,” writes that she had alienated her spouse from herself by “unconnected jealousy and reproaches for his attachment to foreigners.” The ancient genus Lopukhins hated foreigners who curled around the king. It came to a fight one of the brothers Evdokii Lefort. And Lefort was the famous seducer of the king - the organizer of his feasts and merriments, for which he was beaten by the brother of the queen, who stood up for her part and the honor of the clan. "Germans" fiercely hated Patriarch Joachim. This firm and principled man pleaded with Peter not to believe the “damned heretics”, not to entrust them with command of the troops (the failure of the first period of the Northern War was entirely on foreign command). He urged Peter not to give foreigners and non-believers positions in the state, saw in this the destruction of Russia. This hatred took over the courtyard of the mother and wife of Peter.

Thus, Peter, who had fallen under the influence of foreigners, Russian “European nobles,” who had easily accepted all foreign, and who had embarked on the westernization of Russia, had torn off “with antiquity” in the most abrupt manner. The wife, who harbored hostility towards foreigners, was an obstacle, she was eliminated. And Peter was soon shoved by the "cook" Martha, indifferent to "Russianness."

To be continued ...
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  1. +5
    14 February 2018 06: 12
    Petra - "replaced" by foreign "friends." wink The people whispered about it then, rumors were worn and later and did not cease even now. That is why Lopukhina was removed to the monastery. By the way, there was recently a film from the series "Evidence from the Past", there, the question of "substitution" was just investigated, but too superficially and primitively. By the way, the handwriting examination turned out to be slurred — the type of handwriting is not his, but it can change with age, etc. Yes, okay, the handwriting changes, letters can become clumsy, etc., but the handwriting style does not change.
    1. +3
      14 February 2018 08: 45
      a sharp transition from Russian culture to German culture, says one thing, it was a different person, because overnight their homeland and its traditions are not neglected. Hence the whole confusion in the history of the archers, with Stepan Razin, with this bad marriage to a woman of easy virtue and many other inconsistencies and absurdities of the Petrine period and, supposedly, to the Petrine one.
      1. +30
        14 February 2018 09: 54
        Artek Today, 08:45 ↑ New
        a sharp transition from Russian culture to German culture, says one thing, it was a different person, because overnight their homeland and its traditions are not neglected

        I look here with some, like Samsonov fool another pre-spring exacerbation of sluggish schizophrenia ... laughing laughing laughing

        Dear transmission, on Saturday, almost crying,
        All Kanatchikova dacha to the TV was torn,
        Instead of eating, washing, pricking and forgetting,
        The whole insane hospital at the screen gathered.
        *******
        Well, tomorrow the children will ask, visiting us in the morning:
        "Dad, what did these doctor candidates say?"
        We will reveal the truth to our children, they care
        We will say: "The amazing is near, but it is forbidden!" (V.S. Vysotsky)

        But the tsar doesn’t say it is real ... (Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession)
        What other conspiracy theories come to the mind of modern "historians"? I’ll tell you a secret, for some, the voices in my head say that they also changed Nikolai No. 2, to an English relative, painfully the parasites resembled each other ... (well, how much does it look like our Bunshu ... laughing )
        1. +9
          14 February 2018 12: 28
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          What other conspiracy theories come to the mind of modern "historians"? I’ll tell you a secret, some people have voices in their heads saying that they changed Nicholas No. 2, to an English relative, painfully the parasites were alike ...

          It’s funny to you, but after a few hundred years, on the basis of portrait similarity, individual historians will definitely conclude that Nicholas II and George V are the same person. And the pipe discussion will start ...
          1. +1
            14 February 2018 15: 44
            and by the way, the twins are similar, only Nikolai’s chin is sharper, although it may be due to the shape of his beard.
            1. +6
              14 February 2018 16: 09

              - So you will begin to study family portraits and believe in the relocation of souls. ©
            2. +2
              14 February 2018 16: 10
              Quote: Glum
              and by the way, the twins are similar, only Nikolai’s chin is sharper, although it may be due to the shape of his beard.

              Well, then grandmother is Victoria alone.
        2. +5
          14 February 2018 13: 03
          Well, tomorrow the children will ask, visiting us in the morning:
          "Dad, what did these doctor candidates say?"
          We will reveal the truth to our children, they care
          We will say: "The amazing is near, but it is forbidden!"
          good
          general topic! drinks
          Everyone's almost crazy crazy
          Even who was insane
          And then the head doctor Margulis
          TV banned. laughing drinks
        3. +3
          14 February 2018 14: 50
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Dear transmission, on Saturday, almost crying,

          For the knowledge of "literature" -4 +; and for ёrnichestvo-bad ... tongue
        4. +2
          14 February 2018 19: 21
          Komrad Varyag, thank you very much: the diagnosis is correct, but "Ivan Vasilievich is changing his profession.", And indeed all of Gaidai’s paintings can be watched 1000 times and will not get tired
        5. +2
          14 February 2018 19: 25
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          The whole crazy hospital gathered at the screen

          God forbid we go crazy
          Better staff and sou
          In the old days, we personally went crazy.
          And now the service has information crazy
          Calling progress is indecent ...
          A.S. Pushkin
          The great genius found only the very beginning of the rampant newspeople and journalists, he himself at first took part in it. But he is a genius to immediately understand their terrible destructive power. And the Internet is even worse. Whether still will be, oh, oh, oh.
        6. +2
          14 February 2018 20: 09
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          I look here for some, like Samsonov’s yet another spring exacerbation of sluggish schizophrenia


          it’s time for you leader to be treated with electricity
    2. +8
      14 February 2018 09: 53
      Why kill Alexei? After all, only strong and smart competitors are physically eliminated.
      This is not true. Any aspirant to the throne can become a "banner" in the struggle for the throne. What was the imperial family shot for? Indeed, from all sides it is heard that Nicholas II was worthless, and for what children? Because they could unite around themselves, even against their own desire, power. who were against the Soviet government. The same is with Tsarevich Alexei, he did not share his father’s reforms, he had his own Russia.
      1. +5
        14 February 2018 13: 22
        In the history of the Russian state, there was another interesting character - Tsar Ivan VI (aka John Antonovich). They removed him from power in childhood, then kept him in exile and in prison, and in the end they killed him anyway.
        1. +6
          14 February 2018 14: 00
          deposed kings (kings, khans) in general, as a rule, do not live long .. the law of the genre! request For leaving such an applicant is simply dangerous. hi
        2. +1
          17 February 2018 22: 57
          Quote: Alexey RA
          They removed him from power in childhood, then kept him in exile and in prison, and in the end they killed him anyway.

          killed in the conspiracy in his favor, although the king would not have left him, because from infancy in prison, you will not be ready for anything. Yes, and the coups did the coups in the capital, and not as in this case
      2. +6
        14 February 2018 19: 00
        These are the times and customs of the beginning of the 18th century. On formal grounds, Alexei Petrovich committed a state crime, for the escape abroad of the heir to the throne was considered such. Another thing is that Peter was short-sighted and the fate of the throne, which remained 10 years later without male heirs, rests entirely with his conscience.
        P.S. Nikolai Alexandrovich, of course, was not a worthless person. He possessed many positive features, but his whole misfortune lies in the fact that he ended up on the throne at a bad time, when the contradictions that had been accumulating for about 200 years turned into an explosive mixture. He had no chance due to a number of circumstances. But his father, he lived a dozen more years, with his unbending will and tenacity were ...
    3. +4
      14 February 2018 19: 14
      I was also replaced: as I wrote at the age of 18-20 and now it is heaven and earth
  2. +2
    14 February 2018 06: 15
    Well, this picture is like a still frame from the Petrov film - Peter the First!
  3. +4
    14 February 2018 06: 34
    Mysterious pages. It is no coincidence that in his trilogy Merezhkovsky chose Peter and Alexei as the third book.

    The price is great for Peter's reforms. It is unlikely that we will judge - just try to understand the causes and effects.
    1. +1
      14 February 2018 14: 55
      Quote from Korsar4
      just trying to understand the cause and effect

      And what? This "concept" will not change the past of Russia. And in the present conditions, it is unlikely to affect the present and future of Russia. No.
  4. +6
    14 February 2018 07: 35
    The exposed traitor and traitor got a well-deserved punishment. It was his choice.
    1. +2
      14 February 2018 15: 00
      Quote: Olgovich
      The exposed traitor and traitor got a well-deserved punishment. It was his choice

      Do not judge. You will not be judged! I have long been familiar with the "rehabilitation" of Tsarevich Alexei .... I am also familiar with such information. That I did not "fit" into this article ....
  5. +5
    14 February 2018 07: 52
    So, the character and appearance of the prince - a stupid coward, miserable and insignificant, and is interpreted to this day.
    ... I wonder who ... The interpreted image is presented in the film "Peter the First" shot at the Lenfilm film studio by director Vladimir Petrov in 1937-1938.
    1. avt
      +4
      14 February 2018 09: 28
      Quote: parusnik
      ... I wonder who ... The interpreted image is presented in the film "Peter the First" shot at the Lenfilm film studio by director Vladimir Petrov in 1937-1938.

      bully
      You ... this ... You are that ... That "that"? Come on ... Come on ... Don't mess out ...
      He admitted to the investigation? well in
      Quote: parusnik
      at the film studio "Lenfilm" directed by Vladimir Petrov in 1937-1938

      Sal be
      Quote: Olgovich
      Revealed Traitor and Traitor

      Every royal monarchist knows - ,, Recognition is the queen of evidence " bully
      Quote: Streletskos
      But God punished the father too - deprived his only son. And this is a disaster.
      fool
      Especially when the son teaches gistoria from feature films. Another quote from Prince A. Nevsky, well, his direct speech recorded by documentary filmmaker Eishentshtein, bring us to the prince after the Battle of the Ice, well, about the ball and those who come with him with us. It will be very important in anticipation of the World Cup in Russia. bully
      1. +4
        14 February 2018 13: 09
        Quote: avt
        Every monarchist-tsarebozhik knows - ,,Recognition is the queen of evidence "

        This is the prayer of the Stalinists Yes
        And the investigation investigated the TsAREVICH'S LOSE to Austria and his anti-state activities therewassat
        1. +5
          14 February 2018 15: 03
          Quote: Olgovich
          The investigation investigated the TsAREVICH'S LIFE to Austria and his anti-state activities there

          But what .... Lenin was possible .... and Lexia - Nizya?
          1. +3
            14 February 2018 15: 13
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            But what .... Lenin was possible .... and Lexia - Nizya?

            Who is ... Lenin? belay
            And who is Aleksey!
            1. +5
              14 February 2018 15: 30
              Quote: Olgovich
              Who is ... Lenin?
              And who is Aleksey!

              I won’t answer this question right away .... I need to take another 50 gram ... what
    2. +12
      14 February 2018 10: 17
      This firm and principled man begged Peter not to believe the “damned heretics”, not to entrust them with command of the troops (the failure of the first period of the Northern War was entirely on the foreign command) ..................

      failure of the first part of the Northern War entirely on the lack of experience of the western image of wars, proper preparation! am Years had to pass for the Russian army to become the “machine” that broke the ridge to the invincible “caroliners”! angry Yes, and Sweden from the "Baltic monster" has become a quiet regional power.
      Thus, Peter, who fell under the influence of foreigners, Russian “European nobles,” who easily accepted everything foreign, and who headed for the Westernization of Russia, most abruptly broke “with antiquity”.

      The Great Peter created first-class army and navy, built Petersburg, than radically changed the history of Russia! Otherwise, we even fought with varying degrees of success.
      I'm an indian, ches word, stunned, gentlemen ... what And someone else dared to scold me for the previous articlelaughing drinks
      1. +4
        14 February 2018 16: 32
        Near Narva, not everything is so simple, military experts, led by the Duke de Croa, surrendered at the beginning of the battle. What is it like?
        1. +6
          14 February 2018 16: 44
          I explain:
          Russian troops stood in one line with a length of almost 6 kilometers, and despite the multiple advantage, the line of defense was very weak. After half an hour, the breakthrough was in three places. The grenadiers threw ditches with fascines and climbed the shaft. Thanks to speed, onslaught and coherence, the Swedes broke into the Russian camp. Panic began in the Russian regiments. The scream “Germans are traitors!” Intensified the panic, as a result of which the soldiers rushed to beat the foreign officers.
          I will translate: an unprepared and poorly trained army that does not have combat experience could not stand the blow of superior infantry to a weak spot. The panic began. And they began to beat foreign officers .. Yes, who ran to surrender, fleeing from their own soldiers.
          To summarize: the defeat near Narva was due to the complex problems of the Russian army - in the first place, the lack of experience of war. I do not know how competent foreign officers were, but blaming them for the defeat is one-sided, albeit very conveniently. The problem was much wider. Do not forget that after the 41st year, we learned to fight for two years, coordinating the structure of units, management, supply, gaining experience! hi
          1. +3
            14 February 2018 17: 18
            Nikolay, we read the definition, panic, Greek. panikon, in the name of the ancient Greek god Pan, inspiring an unaccountable fear with his terrible appearance) - an irresistible, "wild", "animal" fear, horror, suddenly encompassing a person or at the same time many people. What, we see in your source: “The screams“ Germans are traitors! ”Intensified the panic, resulting in soldiers rushed to beat foreign officers". In specialized literature, there is another name for it, an acute reaction to stress: https: //vocabulary.ru/termin/ostraja-reakc
            ija-na-stress.html In short, anything happens when you panic, but not targeted action. Agree, in order to kill another soldier (an officer!) With cold steel, you need to be friends with your musculoskeletal system and preferably have a cold head. So that the source is lying or repeating lies. Treason was also very unpleasant for the autocracy of the autocrat.
            1. +6
              14 February 2018 19: 29
              Colleague! It is very doubtful that betrayal had a place to be. Let us recall the growth of anti-German sentiments in our army, and indeed in society in 1914-1915. What ridiculous rumors then circulated about Russian Germans? Although there was no reason for them, the reasons for the failures lay in the field of an individual far from ethnicity of a general and, moreover, an officer. Even the empress was accused of treason simply because. that she is German, and yet she fiercely hated William. So that everything is simple. Units that have not completed the full course of combat training, without combat coordination, without roughly speaking the grinding of personnel to their command, are themselves unstable. Hence the sad result. After all, later, the presence of foreign military experts did not stop beating the Swedes, Turks, and Prussians.
              1. +4
                14 February 2018 21: 02
                Hence the sad result. After all, later, the presence of foreign military experts did not stop beating the Swedes, Turks, and Prussians.

                absolutely true, I will support.
              2. +1
                14 February 2018 21: 23
                By the way, yes! The Volga Germans began to be pressed precisely then, and not under Stalin.
              3. +2
                15 February 2018 02: 32
                Yes, I do not deny the lack of experience of our troops. The reason was, including this one. But there was treason, and she painfully hit the king’s pride. For him, in general, it was probably a fad. Recall the reaction to Mazepa. And they cast a special medal, and much more. Was he worth such attention? Damage that brought, no. And, on the bill, "later, the presence of foreign military experts did not stop beating the Swedes, and Turks, and Prussians," most likely Beria had his own laughing?
          2. 0
            17 February 2018 23: 05
            Quote: Mikado
            I don’t know how competent foreign officers were, but blaming them for the defeat is one-sided, albeit very convenient.

            not really. Then Peter got a command staff that was supposed to teach in a Western manner, but it didn’t work out very well. For drill, the rank and file did not like the junior command staff (foreigners most often or the same local noblemen). So the first bullet was intended specifically for the "tormentor"
            But, it should be noted that the duke was appointed suddenly. Command almost completely Russian. Weide and his division (despite the occurrence and composition) didn’t give up - they fought a stubborn battle and this, together with the guards, saved the army from complete disgrace (the guards left with the banners and weapons, Weide’s division had to give up weapons, he was wounded and was captured as hostage)
            The entire higher command went hostage ... there were few foreigners there. Mostly engineers, commander .. and so all the Russians .. Trubetskoy and others ..
            The blame for Narva is entirely on Peter. What he realized before the battle. Therefore, he left for a new army ... for it had to be done completely different.
            Although 50 thousand in the fortifications were to overcome less than 10 thousand tired Swedes ... But the courage of the city takes.
        2. +4
          14 February 2018 16: 57
          So, over our army the Swedes got Victoria, which is indisputable. But it must be understood over which army they received it. For there was only one old Lefortovo regiment, and only Azov had two regiments of guards, and they never saw field battles, more often than with regular troops: the other regiments, except for some colonels, both officers and privates, were recruits themselves. Moreover, they couldn’t deliver provisions for the late times and for the great dirt, and in a single word, it seemed that the whole thing was like infantile play, and art was below sight. What wonder is it that such an old, trained and practiced army can find Victoria over such artless ones?
          Tsar Peter, later called the Great.
      2. +2
        14 February 2018 21: 14
        I still terribly apologize, Nikolai, but Sweden has not been considered a "quiet regional power" for a long time. Capital stone construction on the Petrograd side was allowed only in the middle of the 19th century, when Sweden was excluded from the list of strategic "partners". Prior to this, only wooden buildings, so that in the event of a relapse of aggression, burn everything up and thereby give operational scope to the Kronverk artillery.
        1. +2
          14 February 2018 21: 34
          You know better than me the history of the city, Anton, in which I bow to you! hi I put it wrong. As a result of the Russian-Swedish wars of the 18th and early 19th centuries, Sweden was relegated to the state of a regional power. Perhaps in some ways we should even be grateful to the arrival of the Bernadotte dynasty, and this crowned the end of the wars with Sweden (it was just the time, but there were no more wars). That, in principle, did not stop the Swedes from delivering ore to Hitler, and our submariners from sinking Swedish ships during the Second World War. soldier
          1. +1
            14 February 2018 22: 00
            No, not better. So, it’s episodic ... It’s just that, being "come here a lot", at one time a lot came out with my feet. And Petrogradka ... I love her! This is a symbol of my youth! Having lived a bit in the Eixample district of Barcelona, ​​after some time, I understood why it was so good there for me, well, damn it, Petrograd! Moreover, and built up at the same time.
            1. +4
              14 February 2018 23: 09
              You just hit me now to see the story. good it means, it is indicated in many places that the Swedish corps of Meidel went to Petersburg in 1705, but everywhere everything is limited to one phrase - "was broken." Even Shirokorad does not give details. That is, there was a case - and there is no case. Miracles are in the sieve. There is hardly any mention of this in textbooks, and Razdolgin and Skorikov in the monumental work "Kronstadt Fortress" repeat only a phrase about the defeat. Often there is a verdict: "was driven away by fire from the Peter and Paul Fortress and the fire of ships." But then he found an interesting article that the corps reached the Kamenny Island, so it turned out that he couldn’t reach Petropavlovka! http://www.reenactor.ru/ARH/PDF/Slavnitskiy_06.pd
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              But the evolutions there were complicated, part of the corps reached the former Nyenschanz, and even crossed the river, but it is not said what happened to those who crossed. Smashed, that's all!
              The Swedes tried to capture the city in 1708! Nowhere in textbooks or popular literature about this is not! belay
              In August 1708, Naum Senyavin was instructed to guard the crossing of the Neva with two brigantines. When the Swedish general Lübecker approached the crossing, Senyavin met him with strong cannon fire, so that he "brought the enemy into embarrassment." The Swedes recovered and fired from a battery of 12 guns in two places pierced one of the brigantines, breaking the mast on it. Then Senyavin went ashore and, together with Major Grekov, took possession of the Swedish tranche. In October of that year, commanding a grenadier company for the captain, he distinguished himself in a bloody battle at the Soikina Manor, which ended in the defeat of the Swedes, and in this case was wounded in the leg.
              Again, a detachment of them (Swedes) crossed the Neva, and reached the modern Lomonosov!
              http://www.korvet2.ru/razgrom-shvedov.html
              Where is the truth here, where is the fiction - God knows him. I can say one thing - there is very little information about this. Although the events, in principle, were the most important! hi it remains .. to search for pre-revolutionary historians! And in any case, it was to repel such attacks that Kronverk was built, which eventually became the Artillery Museum.
              1. +1
                17 February 2018 23: 08
                Quote: Mikado
                Maidel’s corps went to Petersburg in 1705, but everywhere everything is limited to one phrase - “was broken”

                he and Lübecker did not seem to be able to withstand standing in Ingria and even hunger, disease .. sorties of Russians, hostility of the locals ...
                1. 0
                  17 February 2018 23: 12
                  need to look for sources. In modern (since the 80s) there is no information at all! hi drinks
  6. +20
    14 February 2018 08: 50
    Not at all wretched
    Just a traitor to the motherland
    He fled abroad, the troops asked the Austrian Caesar against his father.
    But God punished the father too - deprived his only son. And this is a disaster.
  7. +1
    14 February 2018 09: 36
    The article is interesting. It is really incomprehensible what was the need for physical reprisal against Tsarevich Alexei - if there were letters confirming guilt, then why torture? We can suggest that the prince had accomplices surrounded by Peter or among the boyars, and was tortured to find out the names of accomplices. But this, of course, is speculation, although they are not without foundation. I look forward to continuing with interest.
    The version of the substitution of Peter, to put it mildly, does not deserve serious attention. Obviously, Peter having been abroad has changed internally, this is normal.
    1. 0
      14 February 2018 10: 22
      http://www.km.ru/science-tech/2014/02/12/istoriya
      -rusi / 732117-podmena-petra-i-vymysel-ili-istorich
      eskii fact wink
  8. +3
    14 February 2018 10: 49
    Opposition to the sovereign's plans, the search for help abroad - in those days (and not only), the reason for reprisal even against the prince was more than sufficient. Be he even seven spans in the forehead. Yes, Peter the Great did not treat his wife well (I do not condone, but again, the mores were like that), but this guilt would have kept him from anger at his son for not supporting his statist plans. If not for open treason ...
  9. +5
    14 February 2018 11: 00
    There are various versions of the conflict between Peter I and his eldest son, Tsarevich Alexei. None can be called final.
    If anyone is interested in a calm presentation of these versions, and not just another snuff, take the first issue of the journal “Bulletin of the Archivist” for 2013, it contains the article “FIRST TRAGEDY IN THE HOUSE OF THE ROMANOVS: THE CASE OF TSAREVICH ALEXEY PETROVICH. 1718.”
    1. avt
      +3
      14 February 2018 11: 21
      Quote: Curious
      l different versions of the conflict between Peter I and his eldest son Tsarevich Alexei.

      There is a conflict in one thing - the succession to the throne. Actually, as Aleksashka called according to Tolstom’s novel, Peter Shert had no rights to the throne - he circumvented brother Vanya at the moment of butt-off with regent - sister Sophia Well, and who is surrounded by the king’s retinue , blew into the ears against his son, these are already details. Actually, the mess was not stopped even after the death of Petsi # 1, when the “thin” ones organized by Menshikov under the guards drumming to the kingdom of Martha Samuilovna Skavronskaya, better known by the nickname Ekaterina No. 1 Alekseevna. The final apotheosis, enshrined in the new manian succession legislation of the city of Pezi No. 1 This should be the first time that the noble monarchists from the noble assembly of the Proletarsky district, who threw off their bast shoes in 1991, should not be peremptory
      Quote: Olgovich
      The exposed traitor and traitor got a well-deserved punishment. It was his choice.

      Based on a feature film from the time of Comrade Stalin. Well and about
      “Bulletin of the Archivist” for 2013, it contains the article “FIRST TRAGEDY IN THE“ HOUSE OF THE ROMANOVS ”: THE CASE OF TSAREVICH ALEXEY PETROVICH. 1718.”
      Are there links to the archive and the search case? If there is, it is worth reading.
      1. +3
        14 February 2018 11: 37
        The author is the director of the Russian State Archive of Ancient Acts (RGADA), sources - archive, RGADA.
      2. +1
        14 February 2018 13: 32
        Quote: avt
        min herts Peter did not have the right to the throne - he went around the corner of his brother Vanya


        After the death of Ivan, only he had, at 100%.
        And the flight of Alexei is a fact.
  10. +5
    14 February 2018 11: 17
    After the author’s statement, “The clergy persecuted by the Tsar’s Protestant turned their hopes on him,” all that remains is to ask, what will be your evidence of the Tsar’s transition to Protestantism? This is a pretty serious statement even for such a luminary of pseudo-historical science as Samsonov. Aw, author, evidence to the people !!!! If we become like the author, we can say we can put forward the version that, at the instigation of reptilians, he is trying to replace our true history with some kind of fairy-tale delirium, thereby depriving us of our past and our intellect at the same time. Very likely it is.
    1. +4
      14 February 2018 11: 39
      If we become like the author, then we say we can put forward the version that he is at the instigation reptiloid trying to replace our true story with some kind of fairy-tale delirium, thereby depriving us of our past and reason at the same time.

      You guess ... what that Dmitry Reptiloid ... "in the subject" ???! belay I always suspected something! laughing drinks
      1. +5
        14 February 2018 16: 06
        Quote: Mikado
        If we become like the author, then we say we can put forward the version that he is at the instigation reptiloid trying to replace our true story with some kind of fairy-tale delirium, thereby depriving us of our past and reason at the same time.

        You guess ... what that Dmitry Reptiloid ... "in the subject" ???! belay I always suspected something! laughing drinks

        And bloody reptilians in the eyes! Horror!
        1. +2
          14 February 2018 16: 19
          And bloody reptilians in the eyes! Horror!

          AAAAAA !!! belay Chur me, chur! belay AAAAA !!!!!! Reptilians exist !!!
          Joke! hi Hello Dmitry! drinks why then bloody? your, family, forum! Annunaki, our brothers! drinks Well, I say, I read a brief article, hair in some places stood on end fellow "Bronze Reptiloid" can be awarded! good
          1. +4
            14 February 2018 17: 18
            Hi Nikolay! . The painting shows the palace, Monplaisir in Peterhof (Petrodvorets). Was there last year. And you could write !!!!!
            1. +1
              14 February 2018 17: 24
              Dmitry, that's how many did not go around, but was not inside it! Shame on me... recourse I suspect everything has already been written and rewritten there ... sales I don’t know! what but thanks for the tip! Yes
    2. avt
      +2
      14 February 2018 12: 05
      Quote: Dimmih
      After the author’s statement, “The clergy persecuted by the Tsar’s Protestant turned their hopes on him,” all that remains is to ask, what will be your evidence of the Tsar’s transition to Protestantism?

      bully Study, study and study again. Even if you put aside about the fact that in Britia Petsya served in the Anglican rite, well, whoever doesn’t happen - he wasn’t trained in politics. In fact, you will recognize them by their deeds. The abolition of the patriarchate, as an institution altogether altogether, the appointment of the head of the church directly in Britain. Few ? The order without his approval of the temples do not build. The architecture of the temples of Pecius built to look reluctance? If the pope - the “Silent” somehow built a church for himself while respecting the decency of the Orthodox hierarchy — wrote for the legitimacy of the new priests of the Patriarch of Antioch Makarii twice from Suria. Then Petya didn’t bother with such subtleties. But you can turn on the laughter too
      Quote: Dimmih
      reptiloid

      и
      Quote: Dimmih
      to replace our true history with some kind of fabulous nonsense, thereby depriving us of our past and our mind at the same time.
      1. +10
        14 February 2018 12: 34
        You would be most kind, to begin with, clear your speech of slang words such as Petsya, Britain, so that you could understand. It is not appropriate for an educated lad to say such things. Further, you would like to read how Protestantism is doctrinally different from Orthodoxy, so as not to fornicate in three pines. They invented some kind of suria ... Is it not near Westeros? As for the architecture of the temples, well, did you anneal it, Orthodox churches, or not? As for the abolition of the patriarchate .... You read about the conflict between Nikon and Alexei Mikhailovich and about the title of Nikon. There cannot be two sovereigns in one state. Reforms were difficult but necessary, and during the reforms, in order to avoid distemper, all nuts should be tightened tightly, as, for example, in China. So that no one would dare to utter a word, but everyone worked. Sovereign was sinful, but powerful, statesman of which few.
        1. avt
          +2
          14 February 2018 15: 29
          Quote: Dimmih
          They invented some kind of suria ... Is it not near Westeros?

          Before you turn on the smart one, take an interest in what you will giggle, how .... Syrians call YOUR country YOURSELF, then smoothly move on to the fact that there is Antioch and the role of its patriarchy in Orthodoxy in general and the influence on the Russian Orthodox Church in particular. And more specifically
          Quote: avt
          Antioch Macarius d

          At the same time, you will find out how .. The quietest “with him at the service in Nikon Zvenigorod,“ we love the son ”was called.
          1. +4
            14 February 2018 17: 50
            Dear interlocutor, paying tribute to your deepest knowledge in pseudo-history, let me still remind you what you write on the Russian site and deign, if possible, to follow the rules of the Russian language and call Syria as is customary in Russia.
      2. +1
        14 February 2018 13: 44
        Quote: avt
        Study, study and study again.

        That's it. For example, learn a term such as "Caesaropapism" and for which country and period it was originally introduced.

        Quote: avt
        Few ?


        Yes, not enough. Protestantism is different. By the way, you can find out for yourself the differences between Protestantism and Orthodoxy.

        Quote: avt
        Order without its approval of the temples do not build


        It’s all about nothing.

        Quote: avt
        The architecture of the temples of Pecius built to look reluctance?


        The dogmas of the Church do not say anything about architecture, saying "Baroque is from the evil one and sin."

        In fairness, in Russia ALWAYS there was a much more loyal attitude towards Protestantism than towards Catholicism, long before Peter and much after him.
        1. avt
          +3
          14 February 2018 14: 43
          Quote: Gopnik
          In fairness, in Russia ALWAYS there was a much more loyal attitude towards Protestantism than towards Catholicism, long before Peter and much after him.
          Truly Lavrov is great with his - ,, DB. " bully Before your glitches are paired with
          Quote: Dimmih
          You should read how Protestantism is doctrinally different from Orthodoxy,

          They would read the notes to themselves completely EVIDENT, and even an Arab, and an Orthodox priest. Which noted that after going to the Poles, Petsi - “Silent” made a decision - what to do with captives of other faiths, necessary for farming in Moscow. So they decided - PROTESTANT Lutherans to baptize, and Catholics not.
          1. +2
            14 February 2018 15: 10
            you are little stupid, so also hamlo, that’s exactly what
            Quote: avt
            ,, DB. "


            Quote: avt
            So they decided - PROTESTANTS, Lutherans to baptize, and Catholics, no.


            Get lost and what? You take an interest in when the first Catholic church appeared in Moscow, and when the Protestant one. Under Mikhail Fedorovich, when hiring foreigners to march on Smolensk, it was expressly forbidden to recruit Catholics, and Protestants - please. In general, the pain in the service of foreigners in Russia in the 17th century is Protestants. And later, all the wives of the Russian emperors are Protestants. The only Catholic on the throne is Maria Mnishek, but her hubby ended badly, just because of suspicions of "papism"
            1. +1
              14 February 2018 15: 31
              The only Catholic on the throne is Maria Mnishek, but her hubby ended badly, just because of suspicions of "papism"

              she only had two False Dmitrys. fellow The latter, they say, after death in the junk Talmud found ... wink
              1. +1
                16 February 2018 02: 03
                “What is Boris like,” they said secretly about him. - Borukh, not Boris. Boris Godun or, rather, Boruch Godin. We know these Borisov ...
                Many claimed that they had heard with their own ears how Boris spoke with Gurlyand and Guriev in Hebrew when he was still prime minister.
                “It was only audible that gyr-gyr-gyr,” the boyars told. - Then all three went to the synagogue.
            2. avt
              +3
              14 February 2018 15: 33
              Quote: Gopnik
              Get lost and what?

              For you? NOTHING. bully Get stuck in your alternate universe further.
              Quote: Gopnik
              And later, all the wives of the Russian emperors are Protestants.
              The campaign is yes. This is hopeless and a specialized practitioner is needed here, well, as long as the information that they were baptized before
              bully
              1. +4
                14 February 2018 16: 25
                Where does the world go? USE, infection! Catholic for the Orthodox enemy, Orthodox for the Catholic, schismatic. In short, they can blaspheme each other as they want. But. A protestant, for some, for others, a heretic without options. We take the dictionary, read what the word ento means.
                1. +3
                  14 February 2018 16: 33
                  Now I can be calm for the health of the debaters. The good Doctor has come, he will cure everyone! Yes enema for ten liters .. fellow against desire ..stop laughing Good afternoon, Alexander! hi
                  1. +3
                    14 February 2018 17: 33
                    Good afternoon, Nikolai! I think, under this article, an enema is not required. Anyway, it’s time to give out fasteners for some so-called people on the site. One here, for example, will soon flood everything. Mamalyga, or something fresh?
                    1. +1
                      14 February 2018 18: 31
                      well, it’s up to you, as a Good Doctor, to determine. wink I'm not strong in medicine! request
              2. +2
                14 February 2018 16: 36
                My favorite article is Samsonova STALIN FALCONS IN CHINA. I'm reading now
                I’ve been dreaming about this big book
                The author, of course, is an interesting person, writes on various topics, but sometimes I think that under this name is a group of authors. There are too dissimilar articles, as, indeed, on other sites. Well and humor these authors have.
                There are books ---- Samsonov AM, Soviet historian, academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences on the history of the Second World War. I know that here, on the site, many read them.
              3. +1
                14 February 2018 16: 50
                This is with your brain byyad, porridge. Of course, they were previously baptized, but they did not even take ex-Catholics as a wife. In Russia, from the Middle Ages, from the capture of Constantinople, the Florentine and Brest Unions, Catholicism was not favored, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, therefore, they were loyal to Protestants. Therefore, there were Protestant churches, and the Catholic one appeared only at the very end of the 17th century. But you, of course, do not understand this, it is painfully difficult.
    3. 0
      14 February 2018 19: 56
      Was Peter a Protestant? Yes and no. Yes, because he was a strong supporter of the ideas of Caesarapapism. No, because I sincerely considered myself an Orthodox Tsar, who knows better that there is a blessing for the Church and the Orthodox state. It is impossible to assert unequivocally that he was a heretic, since he was theologically well educated, knew all the intricacies of Orthodox worship no worse than any bishop. Another thing is that he laid the foundation of the Church, and the state, such a mine that when it exploded in 1917, little seemed to anyone ...
      1. +1
        15 February 2018 04: 50
        Quote: romey
        Another thing is that he laid the foundation of the Church, and the state, such a mine that when it exploded in 1917, little seemed to anyone ...

        Peter Romanov, a member of the CPSU (b) since 1672, a freemason, swindler and agent of Lucifer, as well as a supporter of cuming out and other sins. Dear interlocutor, you can either be a Protestant, or not be-a third is not given.
  11. +2
    14 February 2018 11: 20
    Yes, the article is not a single fact alone emotions. Yes, and there is not a single proof that Peter executed Alexei so slightly heeled on the heels to identify the fifth kalona, ​​his gray hair might not have survived than not the version. In general, in my opinion, the article is worthless
    1. +2
      14 February 2018 11: 40
      And who are the calons? Historians like an author?
      1. +1
        14 February 2018 15: 18
        And that Peter did not have an internal opposition? Sophia alone arranged two riots for him, and he felt sorry for her, lived in a monastery in contentment. And someone was obviously invading Alexei, in Russia at that time there was strong resistance to the boyars against the new orders
        1. +2
          14 February 2018 17: 45
          Yeah, that’s what you wanted to say - “the fifth column” - or “opposition.” Clear.
          1. 0
            15 February 2018 10: 25
            What do you cling to the words, it’s clear that with an absolute monarchy there can be no law of opposition in the modern sense of the word, if you would like to call them conspirators recent in the existing order and wanting to illegally come to power, than you are not the fifth column
        2. +3
          14 February 2018 20: 02
          Quote: Warrior-80
          And that Peter did not have an internal opposition? Sophia alone arranged two riots for him, and he felt sorry for her, lived in a monastery in contentment. And someone was obviously invading Alexei, in Russia at that time there was strong resistance to the boyars against the new orders

          Here again, for the opposition ... Literally 7 years after the execution of Alexei, de facto the very notorious opposition, the Supreme Privy Council headed by Dolgoruky and Golitsyn, came to power. Once the world did not turn upside down again, everything continued to take its course. So, that probably do not exaggerate its conservatism.
          1. 0
            15 February 2018 10: 39
            Well, the Privy Council included Menshikov, Apraksin, Tolstoy, Peter's adherents which they are conservatives. Well, if you dream up and imagine that Alexey came to power on the bayonets of foreigners, as he intended, I think that Russia would lose some of its sovereignty and history would take a different path
  12. 0
    14 February 2018 11: 29
    Andrey Burovsky. Peter the First - the damned emperor. Recommend...
    http://knigosite.org/library/read/22342
  13. +2
    14 February 2018 12: 41
    And GDP has only a daughter. An accident, some will say. I don’t think so ...
    1. +3
      14 February 2018 13: 27
      But is Medvedev not his son? Both in appearance (ears and knees), and surnames are similar. Any relatives ....
      1. +2
        14 February 2018 13: 30
        Quote: Dimmih
        But is Medvedev not his son? Both in appearance (ears and knees), and surnames are similar. Any relatives ....


        Shhh, well, not on the website of the State Department’s self-exposed agents to write about this ...
    2. +2
      14 February 2018 17: 38
      Shaw belaylike in "In the legend of Narayama"?
  14. +1
    14 February 2018 15: 42
    The army rebelled, they say the king is not real ... (Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession)
    this is closer to Nicholas 2 than to Peter
  15. +4
    14 February 2018 18: 21
    Why kill Alexei? After all, only strong and smart competitors are physically eliminated.
    -------
    Oh oh
    Here Edward 2 and Henry 6 spanked, but obviously not geniuses were
    1. +2
      14 February 2018 18: 32
      Here Edward 2 and Henry 6 spanked

      yeah, especially the first one ... spanked .. poker in the ass .. belay drinks
  16. +1
    14 February 2018 19: 42
    Peter is a reptiloid from Nibiru, sent by the English freemasons to destroy Russia.
  17. +2
    14 February 2018 20: 17
    I recently read a book: Neduzhkin "Fiscals of Peter the Great" and there by the way there is about the "Case of Tsarevich Alexei" (the book actually consists of documents).
    Peter and his epoch is a period of great achievements and naturally there will be mixed assessments.
    Mr. author, your article reminded me of Merezhkov (a very ambiguous uncle), he also made Tsarevich Aleksey "the Lamb of God", but he is a writer, not a HISTORIAN, and that means he could fantasize about anything.
    Here, some of the patriarch Joachim make a sort of fighter for Russia on the grounds that he was against foreigners, but ALL Russian historians and Soviet also did not see the sin that Peter communicated with foreigners. This is amusing to me: some of our comrades are sure that everything connected with religion is a big byak!
    Natalya Kirillovna Naryshkina was, to put it mildly, not the most moral woman, (see: "Peter 1" Tolstoy, "Peter the Great and his time"), she spread wild corruption and do not try to formalize it as positive .. Limousine and divorce. Guys, honestly, who does not want to divorce his wife with a cold? In addition, she and her mother-in-law oh how they "loved", and her mother was closer to Peter. And answer this question: will the wife love her rival and everything connected with her?
    The opinion of ALL THE BEST HISTORIANS of Russia is closer to me, and let the opinion of individuals remain their opinion.
    P.S With Shrovetide of all! Tell me at least one who has not seen or heard of lengths in Russia
  18. +1
    14 February 2018 20: 21
    Another remark to the conversation. Peter himself was an architect of Orthodox churches.

    I am not a big fan of Peter. For colossal losses in people, so much so that the country was greatly devastated. But every year you can meet traces of a seething nature. And a lot - lively and interesting. This is almost certain.

    It is no coincidence that the lines appeared:

    "Either an academician or a hero.
    Either the navigator, then the carpenter. "

    There was no need to pretend to be Pushkin.
  19. 0
    14 February 2018 21: 46
    Quote: avt
    Peter had no right to the throne

    Your roof went off - Peter began to single-handedly rule after the death of his half-brother and co-ruler Ivan (he was just a co-ruler due to dementia).
  20. +2
    15 February 2018 21: 05
    Maybe EBN in 200 years will also remember as Peter? They polish a bit over 2 centuries ...
    Previously, it was written that the priest Mitrofaniy (Voronezh) during the construction of the Navy in the city of Voronezh almost betrayed him anathema, called him the Antichrist, and now they write that he blessed him for the construction of the fleet and was his spiritual mentor at that time ... History, she’s such an aunt ...
    1. 0
      17 February 2018 23: 25
      Quote: Separ
      .A story she’s such an aunt ...

      so they write it for themselves (countries, emperors, kings and others)
      Tsar Peter Alekseevich was clearly a choleric. As for his love for Evdokia ... yes, they were not familiar before the wedding. His mother married in order to strengthen his position in front of Sophia and Lopukhina, a kind of poor but numerous. WE do not forget the role of the Naryshkins (Natalia and Cyril)
      Therefore, sure, he did not like Evdokia. Moreover, the description is not its type. Was he hooked on the western type of girls? Here he liked Anhen and all. He loved her for sure. And for a long time. But young was stupid and hot.
      He patched up the children with the legal queen. But as soon as the mother died, the king’s suffering, burdened with an imposed marriage, ended, he threw her completely in Russian, sending him to a monastery. There were no executions in English / divorce ... she was tonsured and mustache.
      It’s hard to tell a child whether he loved or not. The education of princes is usually always done by others. The Tsar is on the move and the devil knows where (by the way, he was the most active monarch of Russia, and did not hesitate to go to Voronezh and plan the ships himself, and then to Arkhangelsk to the merchants, he traveled the European part of Russia well)
      Therefore, the prince grew up without a father. In the future, his mistake was taken into account, and yet the princes usually prepared from time to time in the army. Although after Peter there was such a situation, women / crooks and others ruled the people .. Until their daughter got it ..
      I would not idealize the prince. Is it somehow according to the Russian Orthodox Church or something - to justify everyone, innocent ... Nikolay 2, Tsarevich ...
      A legend can always be invented. And believe in her. Peter was imperfect and controversial personality. And his son, if he inherited his genes, could be worse ..