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Abbas at a meeting with Putin: Palestine refuses US mediation

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Russian President Vladimir Putin conducted telephone conversations with his American counterpart Donald Trump. The main topic of the talks concerned the issues of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the search for solutions to it. On the conversation between Putin and Trump said the head of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas. Information was confirmed by the press service of the President of the Russian Federation.


It is noted that Trump expressed condolences in connection with the death of people during the crash of the An-148 aircraft in the Moscow region.
The United States White House noted that among other things, the presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States discussed the issue of "the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

In the course of Vladimir Putin’s talks with Mahmoud Abbas, the problem of de-escalation in the Middle East was raised.
Press office The Kremlin leads the Palestinian leader’s statement:

From the moment Donald Trump was elected President of the United States until September of last year, I met him four times. And he always told me about the deal that he could work out in order to put an end to the Arab-Israeli confrontation.
All this time we have been waiting to see this decision, to see and hear about how it will be implemented. However, then for us a huge surprise was the decision of the US government a few months ago to close the representative office of the Palestine Liberation Organization in Washington.

There were our own reasons for this, which we consider strange, I will tell about them, I mean the reasons for the Congress to support such a step. The reason is that the US Congress considers us, that is, the Palestinian National Authority, and the PLO since 1987, to be terrorist organizations. And accordingly, this decision affects our relationship with the US government. However, the US government, every 6 months made exceptions for us.

And therefore, it was very surprising for me to hear how the US Congress could take such a view, given that we have long-term relations with the United States, exchanged visits, and they provided us with help, and we constantly had contacts. And then suddenly they call us terrorists.


Abbas at a meeting with Putin: Palestine refuses US mediation


Further, Mahmoud Abbas said that Palestine after the last steps of the United States decides to refuse to cooperate with Washington as a mediator in relations with Israel.

Abbas:
And in a similar atmosphere, which was created by the actions of the United States, we declare that, starting now, we have refused to cooperate in any way with the Americans in their status as an intermediary, since we are opposed to their actions.


Apparently, in a telephone conversation with Trump, Vladimir Putin announced the decision of the head of Palestine.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 February 2018 05: 44
    +8
    Trump must have gotten sobbed under the table from such a decision, and sobs? belay The Palestinians still could already cadres themselves, following the UN decision on the recognition of the Palestinian state, create it on their lands! With the help of fellow countrymen from all over the world, and sympathetic Arab countries, they would have long had their own state.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 13 February 2018 06: 23
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Trump must have gotten sobbed under the table from such a decision, and sobs?
      - Trump is not sobbing, Trump DOESN'T DOE: "Why, why does everyone not love me so much ???"
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 February 2018 06: 30
        +2
        Apparently, in a telephone conversation with Tampom Vladimir Putin informed the decision of the Palestinian leader.
        grammatical error ... 2 letters in the word "TAMPON" is missing ...)))))))
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 13 February 2018 12: 31
          0
          grammatical error ... 2 letters in the word "TAMPON" is missing ...)))))))

          I immediately remembered Dr. Freud))))
          Abbas at a meeting with Putin: Palestine refuses US mediation

          In negotiations with the Palestinians, the Vedmedevskoye: "There is no money, but you hold on!" - It would be very helpful, because the Karabbass-drumbasses and other nasrallis are still those “spinnogryz” and freeloaders. It is not without reason that all over the world negotiations are under the INTERMEDIARY, and on the "promised land" - under the SPONSORSHIP.
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 13 February 2018 06: 32
      +4
      Of course, I apologize, but tell me how much land remains with the Palestinians after the annexation of Israel and in1948 and 1967 the entire territory of Palestine?
      1. karish
        karish 13 February 2018 06: 49
        +2
        Quote: andrewkor
        Of course, I apologize, but tell me how much land remains with the Palestinians after the annexation of Israel and in1948 and 1967 the entire territory of Palestine?

        You’d better not apologize, but read - that would be in the subject
        The state of Palestine never existed, they themselves abandoned it in 1948, without adopting a plan to divide the mandated territories.
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 13 February 2018 08: 08
          +5
          So you would have taken your own, according to a UN resolution, but they would have sorted out the stranger (Palestinian) good over time. But no, you grabbed that it’s been bad and made problems for decades. I’m not against Israel and there are friends from yours agree that you are, after all, an aggressor, and the attitude towards the aggressor is appropriate at the genetic level since 1941!
          1. KonoGon
            KonoGon 13 February 2018 08: 53
            0
            Quote: andrewkor
            So you would take your
            So they took their toll, but the Arabs wanted to fight. And you did not know? As a result, Israel has what it has. Arabs would learn a lesson, but they do not understand.
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    3. Professor
      Professor 13 February 2018 08: 03
      +3
      Quote: Herkulesich
      With the help of fellow countrymen from all over the world, and sympathetic Arab countries, they would have long had their own state.

      Are you kidding me? Then you will have to live at your own expense, feed your own hollowers themselves. For several decades now, the Fylystyns have been threatening to issue their currency, but ... the shekel is sweeter for them.
      1. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 13 February 2018 10: 49
        +2
        Are you kidding me? Then you will have to live at your own expense, feed your own hollowers themselves.

        Ha ha ha !!!! Look who's Talking !!! Israel is a subsidized state itself. Every year, it plunders Germany under the mockery of the Lochocosta, constantly feeding the United States.
        The only thing I can admit is the greatest invention of the Jewish people - HUCPA.
  2. HEATHER
    HEATHER 13 February 2018 06: 42
    0
    Oh-boy ... Something big will be. I just don’t understand-troubles or concessions. Although, if Palestine kicked back, there might be such a mess ... We won’t be enough for everyone.
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 07: 45
      +1
      Quote: VERESK
      .Although, if Palestine rebelled, there might be such a mess

      Palestine will make a mess laughing
      Brain break laughing
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 February 2018 06: 44
    +3
    there were visits exchanges and they provided us with help, contacts were constantly coming. And then suddenly they call us terrorists
    It is strange that Abbas is surprised at this. Why is it so late that many receive insight that the United States cannot be trusted, much less hope for their help. But a possible, though small, but freebie beckons.
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 06: 52
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is strange that Abbas is surprised at this. Why is it so late that many receive insight that the United States cannot be trusted, much less hope for their help

      Of course you can’t.
      The palaces are used to the fact that everyone knocks them grandmas, and they do what they want.
      Abbas must have forgotten - whoever pays the money is dancing the young lady.
      laughing
      He refuses - laughing --- Yes, everyone in general on the drum.
      laughing
    2. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 06: 57
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      . But possible, albeit small, but a freebie so mani

      The United States paid them 800 million dollars a year.
      Do you want to be intermediaries wink - you will have to pay for the pleasure. (I think something like this he told Putin)
      I think that GDP said something like the following
      To hell - this is there laughing
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 13 February 2018 07: 05
        +6
        Alexander from Israel, are you happy that you crushed foreign lands? They didn’t try to come to an agreement with the Palestinians under cover of empty-handed statements saying that Palestine is a hotbed of terrorism, which means all the possibilities of negotiations with them are on the side! Only the power of arms will bring Israeli truth there!
        1. Strips
          Strips 13 February 2018 07: 26
          +1
          Quote: Herkulesich
          that crushed foreign lands for themselves?


          Israel did not crush foreign lands. The Arabs went to war against Israel and lost. What was taken in battle is holy.


          Quote: Herkulesich
          They didn’t try to come to an agreement with the Palestinians, hiding behind empty-handed statements that they say


          You would not go into topics in which you understand nothing and know nothing.

          At least a little study the question before you get into the topic and write another nonsense.
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 13 February 2018 07: 36
            +6
            Victor - I like this "collective unconscious" from site Israelis! wassat I write to one, I receive an answer from another, and naturally, with the accusation of a heap of all sins, up to denying the fact of the existence of Israel! fool You know how to turn someone else’s comments in the direction favorable to you! !!!!!!!!
            1. Strips
              Strips 13 February 2018 07: 44
              0
              Quote: Herkulesich
              naturally accusing me of a heap of all sins


              I can not pass by delusional statements.

              You can be accused of only one thing - complete lack of knowledge of what is happening between the Palestinians and the Jews, hence the result - all you write about this topic is just rubbish that has nothing to do with reality.

              Did not try to agree?
              Read about the Oslo Accords, read about the proposal to Abbas by Israeli Prime Ministers Ehud Olmert and Ehud Barak.
              Read how Abbas frustrated the negotiations the very last time they started.

              Learn at least a little history of the issue or do not meddle in the topic negative
            2. Dimmih
              Dimmih 13 February 2018 09: 56
              0
              Herculesych, pull up literacy to begin with: 1) deny it is written through I, 2) deceit is also written through I. This is what I mean — people who have not mastered even their native language are taken to judge the tremors of world foundations! Horrified, as the ancient chronicler wrote. Verily, now is the time of the militant ignoramus !!!! Soviet school, come back to us !!!
        2. karish
          karish 13 February 2018 07: 44
          +1
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Alexander from Israel, are you happy that you crushed foreign lands?

          a stranger - his own, some kind of not quite clear statement of the question.
          Is your Crimea or someone else's?
          Otozh.
          Quote: Herkulesich
          They didn’t try to come to an agreement with the Palestinians under cover of empty-handed statements saying that Palestine is a hotbed of terrorism, which means all the possibilities of negotiations with them are on the side!

          Read a little literature. and then try to say something.
          The point of arguing with a person who does not have basic knowledge?
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Only the power of arms will bring Israeli truth there!

          We would like, from palaces the spirit would not remain on the whole territory, and we have enough strength and capabilities for this.
      2. HEATHER
        HEATHER 13 February 2018 08: 24
        0
        To hell - that's laughing there Great guess! hi
  4. apro
    apro 13 February 2018 06: 59
    +1
    Today, Russia does not shine on the BV. It would have retained influence in Syria. The Palestinians are clearly already going through that influence and power as in the Soviet Union will no longer be in the foreseeable future. So why should there still be problems for yourself? Moreover, it will be extremely resolved in their favor problematic.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 13 February 2018 07: 08
      +2
      Right? Honest pioneer? Or maybe the authorities need to act differently in defending their interests in the region? Maybe enough to appease and promise? And if they promised something, do it not after many years, but right away?
      1. apro
        apro 13 February 2018 07: 26
        0
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Or maybe the authorities need to act differently in defending their interests in the region?

        On what basis?
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 13 February 2018 07: 37
          +1
          Yes, on any, if only the interests of our country would not be affected!
          1. karish
            karish 13 February 2018 07: 47
            0
            Quote: Herkulesich
            Yes, on any, if only the interests of our country would not be affected!

            So, just, I wonder - what are your interests in Palestine?
          2. apro
            apro 13 February 2018 08: 14
            0
            And what are the interests of the USSR? Is it clear that there is a confrontation between the imperialists and the Russian capitalists?
  5. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 13 February 2018 07: 05
    0
    Palestine refuses US mediation

    If this does not remain mere words, then the role of intermediary passes to us. Maybe now it will be possible to lower the temperature in relations between Israel and Palestine, and along with Iran.
    1. Strips
      Strips 13 February 2018 07: 34
      0
      Alas, Russia does not have the same authority and political power as the USSR.

      Therefore, Russia may be willing to be a mediator, maybe Abbas wants Russia to be a mediator, but without the United States there will be no advancement of the world.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 13 February 2018 08: 13
        +1
        Quote: Tiras
        but without the USA there will be no progress in the world

        And it seems to me that it is without the USA that there will be progress towards peace, because they regularly add oil to the fire. Unless, of course, Israel is interested in this world. And how is Israel going to negotiate with Iran, or rather, through whom? Through n-owls, or what? Or through the Turks? If it’s not going to be at all, then this, to put it mildly, is unreasonable. If the principle of “a bad world is better than a good quarrel” will save the life of at least one Israeli soldier, then he already has the right to implementation. And about:
        Quote: Tiras
        Alas, Russia does not have the same authority and political power as the USSR.

        I am even somewhat glad of this. I’m glad that we don’t go to every monastery with our own charter and don’t buy allies for a period until the money runs out, and purposefully engage in sensitive and critical areas for us in foreign policy, without the need to prove our political strength to everyone and cost communism all over the world at the cost of empty shelves in stores.
        1. Strips
          Strips 13 February 2018 08: 30
          0
          Quote: Polite Elk
          If, of course, Israel is interested in this world


          He is interested, which is why Israel has peace with Egypt and Jordan.


          Quote: Polite Elk
          And it seems to me that it is without the USA that there will be progress towards peace, because butter on the fire they regularly


          This is not oil, but an otrezhivanie snickering Palestinians.

          As correctly written below, Abbas has not been elected for many years, he is legally an illegitimate representative of the Palestinians, he has no power over the Gaza Strip, he cannot establish peace for more than 10 years, even between himself and Hamas, who rules in the Gaza Strip. With whom to sign an agreement, if half of its future state is not under its control?
          But everything is rushing with Abbas, and he pays money to terrorists killing Jews, escapes negotiations and refuses to accept reality.




          Quote: Polite Elk
          And how is Israel going to negotiate with Iran, or rather, through whom?


          Probably through Russia, which saved Assad. But this is not the level of the contract. There will be no talk of peace, etc.
          It's about Iran stopping helping terrorists around Israel. At least regarding the terrorists and their infrastructure in Syria.

          Russia is also beneficial, and not just Israel. Strong Iranian influence in Syria, Russia not really needed
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 13 February 2018 09: 30
            0
            Quote: Tiras
            Probably through Russia, which saved Assad. But this is not the level of the contract. There will be no talk of peace, etc.

            And what then should we agree on?
            Quote: Tiras
            It's about Iran stopping helping terrorists around Israel. At least regarding the terrorists and their infrastructure in Syria.

            And here let's summarize a little:
            1. Russia supports Syria in the fight against world evil - IS, which is the feeding up of the n-owls.
            2. Iran is actively involved in this process, both at the government level, and with all sorts of Hamas and Hezbollahs, whose assistance Iran is unlikely to stop, but it can even redirect their activity entirely to IS terrorists. But for this, Iran must have some kind of interest, which itself will not appear without negotiations.
            3. Russia and Syria do not touch the militants of Hamas and Hezbollah, because we are fighting on the same side. Therefore, they negatively relate to those who offend temporary fellow travelers. Hence the S-300 in Iran and the sluggish (for now) modernization of the Syrian air defense system.
            4. About too strong Iranian influence in Syria, you can not worry. In Syria, everyone knows that without our support of Syria, as a state, there would have been no more. And Iran would be next. And in Iran they also know this.
            So, everything depends on the negotiability of the parties. Or in the ambition of their leaders.
            1. Strips
              Strips 13 February 2018 12: 21
              0
              Quote: Polite Elk
              And what then should we agree on?


              About silence on the border.
              Until Iran climbed with its desire to spoil Israel in Syria - the Syrian border was relatively quiet.


              Quote: Polite Elk
              1. Russia supports Syria in the fight against world evil - IS, which is the feeding up of the n-owls.


              I don’t consider ISIS to be a feeding place for the USA, but the USA, through its actions, for example, in Iraq weakened the country and there appeared an opportunity for terrorists to develop.



              Quote: Polite Elk
              Iran is actively involved in this process, both at the government level, and all sorts of Hamas and Hezbollah, whose assistance Iran is unlikely to stop


              Then there’s nothing to talk about. There will be hassles.


              Quote: Polite Elk
              but it can even redirect their activity entirely to IS terrorists. But for this, Iran should have some kind of interest, which itself will not appear without negotiations


              It will not work out because in the first igles they are more or less pressed, in the second Iran began attempts to expand the influence of Hezbollah terrorists even before the igles.
              Hezbollah’s terrorists are the brainchild of Iran, which he needs in many ways precisely to destabilize relations between Lebanon and Israel.
              From a UN perspective, the territorial issue between Israel and Lebanon has been resolved. Hezbollah does not recognize this.

              That is, all of Israel’s problems with Lebanon and Syria right now because of Iran and its terrorists.

              Iran does this on purpose, and therefore it has only one interest - destabilization around Israel.

              Russia, which saved Assad, can besiege Iran if desired.



              Quote: Polite Elk
              Russia and Syria do not touch the militants of Hamas and Hezbollah, because we are fighting on the same side. Therefore, they negatively relate to those who offend temporary fellow travelers. Hence the S-300 in Iran and the sluggish (for now) modernization of the Syrian air defense system.


              Hamas in your scheme is superfluous. Hamas easily helped the Isis against Egypt, for which Egypt has already accused Hamas and it is not for nothing that Egypt destroys all the tunnels that dig Hamas and very rarely opens the passage between the Gaza Strip and Egypt.


              Russia does not touch Hezbollah, but also does not prevent Israel from touching it. This is part of the agreement between Israel and Russia.

              Quote: Polite Elk
              Hence the S-300 in Iran and the sluggish (for now) modernization of the Syrian air defense system.




              It does not make sense to modernize air defense in Syria as it is pointless and very expensive for Russia to make such gifts (not the fact that Russia will still receive everything from Syria for this), but Israel will quickly destroy it.

              I do not think that Russia needs Iran in Syria. On owls, it may be necessary, in fact, not. Russia also knows very well that Iran’s actions can lead to a war in Lebanon and a little in Syria, and that ultimately these actions are useless and will only make Syria and Lebanon worse.
              If Iran is removed from Syria, and even more so from Lebanon, the Lebanese government will also breathe a sigh of relief, as will Assad, who will no longer see Israeli attacks.




              Quote: Polite Elk
              About too strong Iranian influence in Syria, you can not worry. In Syria, everyone knows that without our support of Syria, as a state, there would have been no more. And Iran would be next. And in Iran they also know this.


              Israel sees this in fact - Hezbollah’s terrorists are trying to entrench themselves near the borders, factories are being built for them, weapons are being stored for them, etc.

              Russia does not prevent this, but does not prevent Israel from striking at all this.
              Therefore, there is a problem with influence and it is visible.

              If Russia does not calm Iran in Syria, Assad will have problems in Syria.


              Quote: Polite Elk
              So, everything depends on the negotiability of the parties. Or in the ambition of their leaders.


              If you still do not understand that there is nothing to say to Israel and Iran, then this is sad.
              Israel said - take away your terrorists and the problem is solved. Iran does not want to.
              If Russia does not help, there will be clashes.
              Israel has no ambition for Lebanon or Syria, just as it does for Egypt and Jordan.
              Israel helps Jordan and Egypt fight the igles since they do not support terrorists against Israel, as Assad does.
              Israel needs silence on the border, even if countries remain at war. There will be silence and there will be a change in Assad’s policy, which could only rely on Russia, excluding Iran — there will be silence and maybe even help from Israel in the fight against terrorism in Syria.

              The ambitions of Iran and Russia could moderate them.
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 13 February 2018 14: 24
                0
                Quote: Tiras
                Israel needs silence on the border

                Quote: Tiras
                there will be silence and may even help Israel in the fight against terrorism in Syria.

                Our goals are the same, but the culprits of all troubles and allies are different. I will not argue with you, taking into account the fact that we have different sources of information. You have the media color the news in one color, ours in another. And the source is far from accessible to everyone.
      2. vlad66
        vlad66 13 February 2018 08: 13
        +7
        Quote: Tiras
        but without the US there will be no advancement of the world

        laughing tongue Well licked. Trump personally shakes hands. good
        1. Strips
          Strips 13 February 2018 08: 21
          +1
          Quote: vlad66
          Well licked. Trump personally shakes hands.
          Reply


          This is a reality that you may not like, but this is your problem.

          Without the US as an intermediary between Jews and Palestinians, there will be no agreement.
          1. karish
            karish 13 February 2018 08: 23
            +1
            Quote: Tiras
            This is a reality that you may not like, but this is your problem.
            Without the US as an intermediary between Jews and Palestinians, there will be no agreement.

            I'm just curious . and what agreement do Russian site visitors see? I'm interested. why break the spears of comrades? laughing
            1. HEATHER
              HEATHER 13 February 2018 08: 27
              +2
              The problems of the Sheriff's Indians are not interested.
            2. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 13 February 2018 08: 44
              +2
              Quote: karish
              I'm just curious . and what agreement do Russian site visitors see

              Sofa-utopian version:
              1. Israel sits at the negotiating table with the Palestinians and goes to some kind of observance of their interests in exchange for an end to terrorist activities. After reaching a truce, all irreconcilable are strangled on both sides.
              2. On economic grounds, Israel is drawing closer to Iran in exchange for curbing Hezbollah.
              3. Israel removes the cap of the executioner and the bloodsucker from Assad and helps with the armament or humanitarian aid to the Syrian government to eradicate the Islamic State.
              4. Israel is actively involved (for appropriate, so to speak, remuneration) in rebuilding the region after hostilities.
              But, I see so from the sofa ...
              1. karish
                karish 13 February 2018 09: 50
                0
                Quote: Polite Moose
                Quote: karish
                I'm just curious . and what agreement do Russian site visitors see

                Sofa-utopian version:
                1. Israel sits at the negotiating table with the Palestinians and goes to some kind of observance of their interests in exchange for an end to terrorist activities. After reaching a truce, all irreconcilable are strangled on both sides.
                2. On economic grounds, Israel is drawing closer to Iran in exchange for curbing Hezbollah.
                3. Israel removes the cap of the executioner and the bloodsucker from Assad and helps with the armament or humanitarian aid to the Syrian government to eradicate the Islamic State.
                4. Israel is actively involved (for appropriate, so to speak, remuneration) in rebuilding the region after hostilities.
                But, I see so from the sofa ...

                when the Abbot will be able to control the Gaza Strip - then maybe we’ll talk (by the way, we’ll cut their terror ourselves perfectly) - so when he has power, then we’ll talk - and now what's the point?
                2 and what do we need from Iran in terms of economy? belay
                3. let all this garbage take you and your laurels - and we will stand aside
                4recover?
                and here we have to do with it
                And lastly, what is the connection of all these points with the Palestinians?
                like it's all about Syria
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 13 February 2018 10: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: karish
                  when the Abbot can control the Gaza Strip - then maybe we'll talk

                  And if you support him? Can and there will be full control, huh?
                  Quote: karish
                  By the way, their terror, we ourselves perfectly chop m

                  What is the price of the question? And the delayed likelihood that with a combination of circumstances the terrorists will strike very painfully.
                  Quote: karish
                  let's take all this garbage and your laurels - and we will stand aside

                  Long stand aside will not work. Iran will get stronger (I do not exclude that with our help) and it will be much more difficult to make friends with it. It doesn’t care for you until people die.
                  Quote: karish
                  But what do we need from Iran in terms of economy?

                  Money. After a long period of sanctions, they will be glad to exchange any goods for oil there. And oil is money.
                  Quote: karish
                  restore? and then what do we have to do with it

                  Money. The region is destroyed by the war. The construction of infrastructure and industrial facilities is money, and considerable. Bonus loyalty of the local population.
                  Quote: karish
                  And lastly, what is the connection of all these points with the Palestinians?

                  There will be a reconciliation of Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah in Palestine - on the other borders will also subside.
                  1. karish
                    karish 13 February 2018 16: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    And if you support him? Can and there will be full control, huh?

                    Should we climb into the Gaza Strip and calm down Hamas?
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    What is the price of the question? And the delayed likelihood that with a combination of circumstances the terrorists will strike very painfully.

                    Price? There is a price for everything. Why did you climb into Syria? Assad to save or prevent terrorists from entering Russia?
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    It’s impossible to stand aside. Iran will get stronger (I do not exclude that with our help) and it will be much more difficult to make friends with it.

                    Let it grow stronger.
                    And we are not standing still.
                    And in the peace with Iran, under the ayatollahs, only the naive can believe.
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    Money. After a long period of sanctions, they will be glad to exchange any goods for oil there. And oil is money.

                    do we need money from Iran? Or oil?
                    And that we have no money? or 6neft in the world only in Iran?
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    Money. The region is destroyed by the war. The construction of infrastructure and industrial facilities is money, and considerable. Bonus loyalty of the local population.

                    and who will pay for this banquet?
                    Assad? He has no money.
                    So who will pay for the restoration of Syria?
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    There will be a reconciliation of Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah in Palestine - on the other borders will also subside.

                    It never happens that the existence of these organizations does not make sense - if there is peace with Israel.
                    You think that their leadership and thousands of militants will allow this. and the next day they themselves will go to plow the factory?
          2. vlad66
            vlad66 13 February 2018 08: 25
            +8
            Quote: Tiras
            This is a reality that you may not like, but this is your problem.

            Absolutely spit on your relationship with Palestine laughing this is your problem. But licked well striped. They will be pleased. yes
            Quote: Tiras
            Without the US as an intermediary between Jews and Palestinians, there will be no agreement.

            Yes your problems.
            1. Strips
              Strips 13 February 2018 08: 43
              0
              Quote: vlad66
              But licked well striped. They will be pleased.


              If for you a description of reality, it’s licking striped then okay request

              Quote: vlad66
              Yes your problems.


              Who love to discuss on a Russian-language site what
      3. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 13 February 2018 21: 02
        +4
        No, there is an effective trump card for assuming the role of mediator by Israel - deployment of air defense systems (consideration of the possibility of deployment) south of Damascus.
    2. Dimmih
      Dimmih 13 February 2018 09: 57
      0
      Rather, the loot will be sucked from us, as in the USSR. Do we need it?
  6. Strips
    Strips 13 February 2018 07: 20
    0
    Abbas was offended that the Americans stopped giving money for the fact that he continues to pay terrorists who killed Jews and does not want to negotiate.
    If the terrorist died, Abbas pays the terrorist’s allowance to his family.
    If a terrorist is in an Israeli prison, then he has huge money by Palestinian standards for his family.

    In fact, Abbas is a terrorist entity that not only pays money to terrorists and their families, calls streets, schools, terrorist propaganda, but also creates good ground for terror when terrorists know that after their death or after as they are caught and imprisoned, Abbas will pay a lot of money to them and their families for the rest of his life.
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 07: 49
      +1
      Quote: Tiras
      If the terrorist died, Abbas pays the terrorist’s allowance to his family.
      If a terrorist is in an Israeli prison, then he has huge money by Palestinian standards for his family

      I think for such grandmas. not a few Russians would have been in prison laughing
      1 bucks -3.4 shekels
      Palestinian terrorists detained in Israeli prisons receive monthly benefits from the Palestinian Authority. The amount depends on the time prescribed by the court, that is, in fact, on the gravity of the crime committed. The more serious the crime, the higher the amount. Benefits are also paid to the families of the murdered terrorists.

      The price list is as follows:
      3-5 years in prison - 2000 shekels a month
      5-10 years in prison - 4000 shekels a month
      10-15 years in prison - 6000 shekels a month
      15-20 years in prison - 7000 shekels a month
      20-25 years in prison - 8000 shekels a month
      25-30 years in prison - 10.000 shekels a month
      30 years in prison and above - 12.000 shekels a month
      1. Crane operator Nahamkinson
        Crane operator Nahamkinson 13 February 2018 07: 57
        +3
        Look in the mirror.
        Your distant ancestor
        for 30 shekels of the teacher sold.
        And you're talking about the Russians ...
        Although, given that you and the like still have Russian passports.
        That you (like the Russians, with 3 passports) would not refuse,
        in prison to sit for grandmas. laughing tongue
        1. karish
          karish 13 February 2018 08: 26
          +1
          Quote: Crane operator Nahamkinson
          Look in the mirror.
          Your distant ancestor
          for 30 shekels of the teacher sold.

          My distant ancestor (according to my grandfather) was a teacher, and from my grandmother's side, all the apostles laughing
          Quote: Crane operator Nahamkinson
          That you (like the Russians, with 3 passports) would not refuse,
          in prison sit for grandmas

          I have a salary, how to sit 2 times for 30 (and this is not the best month) laughing tongue
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 13 February 2018 10: 10
            0
            Quote: karish
            I have a salary, how to sit 2 times for 30 (and this is not the best month)

            Are you working at Hevrat Hashmal?
            1. karish
              karish 13 February 2018 10: 24
              0
              Quote: Dym71
              Quote: karish
              I have a salary, how to sit 2 times for 30 (and this is not the best month)

              Are you working at Hevrat Hashmal?

              wink
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 13 February 2018 10: 49
                0
                If so, you should know that the sex of Israel hates your office. love
                1. karish
                  karish 13 February 2018 15: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Dym71
                  If so, you should know that the sex of Israel hates your office. love

                  Well, the second half loves laughing
                  However, in general, the love of some and not the love of others - in no way affects my salary request
                  1. Dym71
                    Dym71 13 February 2018 16: 05
                    0
                    Quote: karish
                    Well, the second half loves

                    The second spits wassat
                    Quote: karish
                    However, in general, the love of some and not the love of others - in no way affects my salary

                    So for that and all kipish, sho you all on the drum! wink
                    Chubais wards also live in fat. yes
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                      1. Dym71
                        Dym71 13 February 2018 16: 16
                        0
                        Quote: karish
                        on the first?

                        Ken, Ken, Ken! smile
                        Quote: karish
                        happy for them.

                        Well that's ok good
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  7. shans2
    shans2 13 February 2018 07: 56
    +4
    Jews will be, as usual recently, in shock)))
    Trained Jews - a new dish)
    1. Strips
      Strips 13 February 2018 08: 36
      +2
      Jews shocked by stupid comments from sofa trolls laughing

      After the Israeli strike on Syria, including on Iranian targets, the Syrians and Iranians could not give out anything but verbal diarrhea.

      Apparently they are still shocked by the fact that Israel walked so easily over Syria, Iranian targets and air defense.

      And regarding this topic, why should Israel be shocked? lol
  8. Professor
    Professor 13 February 2018 08: 00
    +3
    Further, Mahmoud Abbas said that Palestine after the last steps of the United States decides to refuse to cooperate with Washington as a mediator in relations with Israel.

    The Philistines will never miss the opportunity to miss the opportunity. Well, there is no alternative to American intermediaries. Simply no. There is no one other than the United States or the means or leverage to influence the parties to this conflict.

    In general, Abas (AKA Abu Mazen) is a funny dude. For 13 years it has already forgotten to bring the elections to Judea and Samaria, it does not control Gaza, but it represents "the opinion of the Philistine people" around the world. By the way, he said just recently that in fact the Arabs of Samaria and Judea were not at all descendants of the Philistines, but the descendants of the Knaans who were on this earth before the Jews. Soon he will declare that he came directly from the monkey. laughing
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 13 February 2018 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      Soon he will declare that he came directly from the monkey.

      We all descended from different monkeys and only polygonal from alien monkeys? But apparently decent people, they have hats.
  9. Baloo
    Baloo 13 February 2018 08: 04
    +2
    Abbas at a meeting with Putin: Palestine refuses US mediation

    For a long time? I do not believe. Now you understand why the President of the Russian Federation should be a person professionally trained for this and competent, and not some kind of media chicken professionally leading corporate parties, a pseudo-lawyer-thief and other rubbish balabol.
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 13 February 2018 09: 01
      +2
      Quote: Balu
      For a long time?
      Well, while it will give money. He won’t give money and they will refuse Russia. And at the moment.
  10. Dormidont
    Dormidont 13 February 2018 09: 47
    +1
    For an accomplice cannot mediate
  11. Dimmih
    Dimmih 13 February 2018 09: 49
    +1
    The question is whether the Palestinian Arabs, mistakenly called the Palestinians (you can call the Tuareg and Zulu the same as Africans, meanwhile, they are not much alike), their own state? To see somewhere the statistics of financial injections per 1 Arab in Palestine. This is to whether it would be better for them in their state or is it more profitable to economically take a look at the intifada and live on financial assistance? Will anyone dare to consider the financial side of the PA at VO, alas, alas, do not have such opportunities. I feel that financial interest is the core of this drilling. As soon as they stop giving money, they will run in line for an Israeli passport.
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 February 2018 09: 57
    +3
    I have already talked about this once, but if here some people are still not in the know, I repeat that more than anything else, Palestinian Arabs are afraid of creating their own state.
    The current status is much more profitable for them - a lot of money can be extracted from it, which will immediately disappear when the state is created. Victim status is incredibly beneficial: no one will blame you for anything. “Unfortunate” and “destitute” can do whatever they want, including the most bloody crimes, but no one will blame them for violence. After all, they submit themselves to the world as a victim of violence!
    Having convinced most countries of the world that the Palestinians are the object of monstrous persecution and humiliation in the Holy Land, they brought this idea to full perfection. And since then they are not tired of making unprecedented profits. They became the darlings of the UN and European elites: in the West Bank, young idealists who arrived from abroad are ready to lie under Israeli tanks in order to cancel the construction of a barrier structure in the area of ​​Naalin and Bilyin. Foreign non-profit organizations and charitable foundations are pouring millions of dollars into the bottomless pockets of Palestinians, trying to heal the physical, psychological and financial wounds of the tormented people. Official injections last year alone are approaching three billion.
    This is with its own GDP of 8 (!) Billion.
    At one time, the Marshall Plan for several years lifted the countries of Europe destroyed by the 2MB from ruins. Since the 1993 of the year, world sponsors have thrown almost 4 (four, Max!) Of the Marshall Plan into Palestinian pockets.
    However, under the conditions of their own statehood, the Palestinians will immediately lose the special charisma of the universal sacrifice, suffering from a brutal “occupation”. And then - sorry, goodbye, cash assistance.
    The wise Palestinians, who still remember Arafat and the gang of his predators, have good reasons for quiet resistance to statehood. They understand that if they get their own state, the Israeli rules imposed on them from the outside will be replaced inside by the ruthless oppression of corrupt Fatah officials or Hamas religious fanatics who will stop at nothing - just to save power and money. They do not want the power of Hamas, which seeks to establish Sharia law, and do not want to be ruled by Fatah officials who shamelessly rob them.
    If Russia undertakes to replace Trump, it will have to feed the entire "fraternal Palestinian people."
  13. Mentat
    Mentat 13 February 2018 19: 22
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    At one time, the Marshall Plan for several years raised from ruins the destroyed 2MB countries of Europe.

    One hint only: after that, the right of the United States to monitor all private correspondence and communications is fixed at the level of the constitution in Germany. Isn't it bold for the “Marshall Plan”?

    Since 1993, world sponsors have thrown almost 4 (four, Max!) Marshal's plans into Palestinian pockets.

    You didn’t forget to count the dollar there for an hour?
  14. Dym71
    Dym71 14 February 2018 00: 42
    0
    karish,
    Theatricality in Jewish life
    living as spirit nature
    and even black reality
    stubbornly paints buffoonery.
    drinks