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Croatian tanks M-84 receive Israeli combat modules

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Reports are coming from Croatia that the Ministry of Defense of this country is going to modernize the main combat Tanks M-84, remaining in service with the Croatian army from Yugoslav times. M-84 - the main battle tank of the Yugoslav army, in fact, one of the versions of the Soviet T-72 tank. To date, the Croatian Ministry of Defense has approximately 75 M-84 tanks. These are data from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS, London).


Among the 75 M-84 tanks, there are several upgraded versions of the M-84D and M-84A4. Thus, the M-84D upgrade is distinguished by a modern version of protection, including the IRD-4B attack warning system. Modernization at one time was carried out by the Croatian company Duro Dakovic.

Croatian tanks M-84 receive Israeli combat modules


Now the Croatian military command is going to improve all M-84, which are in service with the army. In particular, it is planned to equip all Croatian tanks with Samson RCWS combat modules from the Israeli manufacturer Rafael. The combat module has a remote control and allows the use of various means of destruction, including an automatic grenade launcher, machine gun or anti-tank systems. Croatian MO is inclined to use "Samson" with a machine gun caliber 12,7 mm.

Modernization starts this year.
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  1. assa67
    assa67 12 February 2018 15: 50
    +3
    but the meaning of this modernization? ... to install something there on the T-72 chassis ... does the master make you fork out?
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 12 February 2018 15: 56
      +1
      We congratulate Israel on the great metallurgy in the entire BV, as the Japanese did many years ago! Moses did not seem to be mistaken. winked And if hands are on the table, then where did they get the raw materials? belay
      1. assa67
        assa67 12 February 2018 16: 02
        +4
        lol ..really, he wasn’t mistaken - he drove people through the desert for 40 years and, as one of the satirists remarked, found the only place in the region where there is no oil .... and even the God-chosen ones will work on the glands
        1. Imh
          Imh 12 February 2018 21: 05
          +6
          Here I am always touched by this humor and condescension of Russians. Russia, a country drowning in oil, and the average salary is ~ $ 500, in Israel a minimum of $ 1500 ... Yes, Moses brought us to the only place in the region where there is no oil, and thank God that it is. We are not complaining, we are developing day by day.
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 12 February 2018 21: 29
            +2
            Quote: IMH
            Here I am always touched by this humor and condescension of Russians. Russia, a country drowning in oil, and the average salary is ~ $ 500, in Israel a minimum of $ 1500 ..

            Compared it is known what is known with what. And the size of the road network, say, doesn’t touch you? But the extent of borders does not touch? What about the climate? Try to build a lousy hut at minus 40. What about the nuclear triad, Israel has a lot of say missile carriers with nuclear missiles? A missile defense (not against flying water pipes). And space. How many spaceports do Israel have? Does Israel have GPS?
            Compare Israel with Russia like a fly with an elephant. They say that the elephant is so ineffective that it cannot flit and cannot crap on a light bulb.
            1. aws4
              aws4 13 February 2018 04: 00
              +3
              Are you by any chance not a Kremlin agitator ???? and the militiamen tossed trunks and a minkata to people and then extort money and the doctors have been studying for us for some time, and from the strength of 10-15% they are going to be doctors and the rest are butcher-komersants ... is this also due to the size of the country?
            2. Imh
              Imh 13 February 2018 12: 59
              +2
              Well then, compare Russia with the United States or Canada ... and again, not in favor of Russia ... There is still a non-neutral article of comparison, per capita GDP. In Israel, per capita GDP is FIVE times higher than in Russia, and this is considering that Moses brought us to the only place in the region where there is no oil. Joke on.
              1. aws4
                aws4 13 February 2018 23: 06
                +1
                Yes, to whom do you explain all this ???? in the 90s in Russia there was an external occupation government, now the occupational government is only internal which does not care about people and the country .. the main task is to maintain power and that’s what keeps Russia afloat but not for long .. just our people in most of them want to believe in good and in fact only one temporary worker has changed and rvachi just realized that the country needs to be kept in a living position and held in power since the feeder is good and they are hanging noodles ... well, if our authorities were really concerned about the future of the peoples living in Russia I think for all this time she has even undertaken something at least in education .. and yet, absolutely everyone knows that 9 out of 10 higher educational institutions graduate as complete ignoramuses and study there for money and bribes .. one thing that the government doesn’t give a damn about the education of the future generation already says that they do not care about the future of the country ...
          2. assa67
            assa67 14 February 2018 10: 41
            +3
            it was a statement of fact ... I’m happy for the MLW in your country, but I allow myself to note that such low salaries in our country are a consequence of the privatization of the very resources that you deigned to mention ... and among these same “privatizers” a significant part is precisely your fellow tribesmen .. also a fact hi
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 12 February 2018 16: 12
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        ... Congratulations to Israel on the great metallurgy of the whole BV ...

        Oleg, that’s what the Jews can’t take, it’s a commercial vein.
        The platforms themselves do not, but they are quiet glanders, they offer the modernization of the products of the military-industrial complex of the USSR and Russia.
        Before 08.08.08, Georgian tanks were modernized by the Israelis. Delivered new SLAs, communications. Another thing is that this did not help them, and having smeared their heels with fat, they threw everything that prevented them from draping ...
        They do the same in Azerbaijan.
        Now the Croats are offered. On a thin wallet - “pump” the available equipment.
        What can I say, well done Jews.
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 February 2018 16: 28
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        We congratulate Israel on the great metallurgy in the entire BV, as the Japanese did many years ago! Moses did not seem to be mistaken. winked And if hands are on the table, then where did they get the raw materials? belay

        Early. I did not understand the news, to be honest. "RAFAEL" will be one of the bidder and no one will guarantee him victory. Do not run ahead of the paravoz.
      4. tlauicol
        tlauicol 12 February 2018 16: 30
        +4
        And if hands are on the table, then where do we get the license for drones from? and to whom we have listed almost 2 billion. dollars for production?
        Quote: siberalt
        We congratulate Israel on the great metallurgy in the entire BV, as the Japanese did many years ago! Moses did not seem to be mistaken. winked And if hands are on the table, then where did they get the raw materials? belay
    2. seos
      seos 12 February 2018 19: 13
      0
      Yes, the machine gun with remote guidance to the tower will be screwed ... that's the whole upgrade ...
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 12 February 2018 19: 52
        +6
        Do you know that everyone can put together a DBM that meets modern requirements? In the Russian army, not a single armored vehicle has a DUBM, despite the experience of past wars and present, too, ceremonial and exhibition specimens do not count. Apparently it’s not such a simple task to make a modern DBM, whose LMS and drives will allow it to be used while driving in any terrain, at any time of the day and of course with minimal dispersion and use of BC.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 12 February 2018 21: 45
          0
          Quote: karabas-barabas
          In the Russian army, not a single armored vehicle has a DUBM, despite the experience of past wars and present, too, ceremonial and exhibition specimens do not count. Apparently it’s not such a simple task to make a modern DBM, whose SLA

          The task is probably not easy, but DUBMs are now sculpting everyone and sundry. The task is rather to find money for it.
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 25 February 2018 16: 00
            0
            Who is this "all and sundry"? We must look who buys what. Sometimes BMs are bought in one country, or they themselves make, and DBM in another, sometimes it happens that the barrel, or rather the weapon itself to DBM, is in the 3rd country, as this, in turn, is a different story. So, Israeli DUBMs with American small-caliber guns of 20, 25, 30, 35 mm are in great demand, but there is certainly competition. The Russian Federation does not offer anything in this segment, because neither the universal DUBM itself, nor modern small-caliber guns, because the 2A42 or 2A72 neither their BK range, either in accuracy or in mortality, reach their western counterparts. The turntables also have a long time to go with their own, light, low-impulse 30mm cannon, which weighs within 50kg and not 120kg 2A72.
  2. Graz
    Graz 12 February 2018 15: 50
    +1
    some nonsense, in North Korea, such crosses with a hedgehog are riveting, instead of making bmpt
    1. 210ox
      210ox 12 February 2018 15: 53
      +2
      Well, there they rivet, they know better. The main thing is that the fenders strain from this "riveting"
      Quote: Graz
      some nonsense, in North Korea, such crosses with a hedgehog are riveting, instead of making bmpt
  3. Maz
    Maz 12 February 2018 15: 50
    +1
    Well, yes, do not sell potatoes to the most peaceful country on the planet.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 12 February 2018 20: 19
      +2
      Quote: Maz
      Well, yes, do not sell potatoes to the most peaceful country on the planet.

      Taki sell))))
  4. 210ox
    210ox 12 February 2018 15: 51
    +2
    Georgians also installed something Israeli .. Well, and how? Helped?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 February 2018 15: 54
      +3
      Against the Russian Federation, no, But the tanks were an order of magnitude more modern than the 58th Army (the most combat-friendly in the Russian Federation then, after Chechnya), especially optics and communications ...
      1. assa67
        assa67 12 February 2018 16: 04
        +3
        well, now Ossetians are skating ... and something has been transferred to us for study, I think
        Quote: Zaurbek
        tanks were much more modern than the 58th army
    2. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 12 February 2018 20: 04
      +2
      In fact, it was just these Georgian T-72Ms (like they were called after Jewish tuning) that brought quite a few troubles to the advancing collons, destroyed quite a few various military and other vehicles. In my opinion, not a single T-72M1 was intact in the hands of the Russians, they either burned them all or left the Georgians, there were only a few of them, although I had plans for 100 pieces. But maybe something from the Israeli MSA has been preserved and got where it should, which later came in handy for upgrading the T-72B3, B3M and T-90M. Of course, even the Abrams would not help the Georgians, the whole army, including all about 30 thousand personnel, respectively, and the number of equipment.
    3. Imh
      Imh 12 February 2018 21: 07
      +3
      If you give out the regiment of the Papuans “Armata”, will it really help them against the company of the Special Forces Airborne Forces?
  5. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 February 2018 16: 01
    +5
    And what, it’s not a shame to stare at such a tank.
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 February 2018 17: 01
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      And what, it’s not a shame to stare at such a tank.

      Exactly what to pry ... a tank tower, it’s not a flat roof surface of a light combat vehicle, let's see how it takes root there
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 12 February 2018 17: 18
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: A. Privalov
        And what, it’s not a shame to stare at such a tank.

        Exactly what to pry ... a tank tower, it’s not a flat roof surface of a light combat vehicle, let's see how it takes root there

        Everything is simple. They put a mini version with a machine gun caliber 12,7 mm. This device is smaller and cheaper and better at the tower or even behind. This video has all the models including mini.
  6. Romka47
    Romka47 12 February 2018 16: 10
    +1
    If I remember correctly on the usual M 84 there is no DZ, the question is ripening: What is the point of Samson RCWS if this tank can be burned with the usual "border" about ATGM I am simply silent.
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 February 2018 17: 11
      0
      Quote: Romka47
      If I remember correctly on the usual M 84 there is no DZ

      They are going to equip the M-84D with this combat module.
  7. high
    high 12 February 2018 19: 58
    +7
    Quote: siberalt
    We congratulate Israel on the great metallurgy in the entire BV, as the Japanese did many years ago! Moses did not seem to be mistaken. winked And if hands are on the table, then where did they get the raw materials? belay

    During the war of 1967 Israel captured 820 tanks and self-propelled guns.
    200 tanks were on the move, some were repaired, and the rest went for remelting ... so metallurgy was born ....
    During the war of 1973, Israel captured about 1500 Arab tanks (including 200 T-62), of which 550 were serviceable, some were repaired, and the rest went for re-melting.
    Over the past 15 years, Israel has consistently smelted from 280 thousand to 300 thousand tons of steel per year .... Steel is smelted in electric arc furnaces (EAF).
    The Israeli steel industry supplies the Israeli defense industry with metal for the release of weapons.