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Where are the allegations of the alleged death of “Wagnerites” in the SAR from US air strikes?

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That day after the strike of the American coalition’s airplanes against pro-government ATS troops in the Euphrates Valley, rumors were spread that the attacks were allegedly inflicted on representatives of Wagner’s Russian private military company and allegedly killed “hundreds of Wagner’s men”. Actively this kind of information began to spread and some of our readers in the comments to news from the Syrian direction.


Where are the allegations of the alleged death of “Wagnerites” in the SAR from US air strikes?


The Military Review conducted its own verification of the information disseminated and found that the information actually has a possible fake subtext and is not based on accurate evidence from anyone who has a direct relationship to Wagner’s people. Initially, Ukrainian media outlets became its active distributors. Moreover, it is important to note that these media misinformation refer to the publication of Igor Strelkov (Girkin) in one of the social networks. In turn, in social networks refer to sources in the same Ukrainian media - a sort of "carousel".

Girkin writes that Syria received some reports about “215-217 killed”, while he immediately adds that the information may be misinformation, but he “is confident in them at 100%”.

From the publication Girkina VKontakte from February 10, which (publication) indicates that all the information is built primarily on the author's conjectures:
Reports of losses during the defeat of the combat group "Wagner" come very different. But there is one tendency - they are constantly changing upwards. At the moment, it is precisely clear that there are really hundreds dead and wounded. A few hundred. (...)Perhaps - this is "disinformation" (although it came exactly from Syria) (...) and it is also impossible to exclude the possibility of such losses (...)


Further Girkin writes aboutpossible casualties among special operations forces. ”

The Ukrainian media vividly seized upon the publication of Strelkov (Girkin), while removing the words “possible” and “disinformation” from it, and starting to issue material as the ultimate truth. Further, the relay baton was intercepted by some domestic mass media, citing “sources” like VK pages. Thus, the informational (and, rather, disinformation com) began to grow in volumes and roll through various kinds of media with links to "unnamed sources."
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 12 February 2018 06: 23
    +27
    Why not publish reliable information at all, and trust Ukrainian media sources at all? Perhaps Girkin is just a short-sighted person once relies on some speculation, because we are talking about human lives.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 12 February 2018 06: 26
      +6
      To stop unnecessary rumors and gossip about this!
      1. Negro
        Negro 12 February 2018 09: 51
        +58
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Why not publish reliable information at all

        Well, since we have such a booze, let's stop it. What can be learned from the discussions of "our individual readers."
        1. On the night of February 7-8, on the left bank of the Euphrates, near the city of Deir ez-Zor, Kurds (SDS) and obscure Asadites were slaughtered. The Americans entered the battle in full force (aircraft, ganship, turntables of the Army, artillery of the KMP), and carried, of course, into the trash.
        Pentagon Officer

        Fox

        It's funny that if the Pentagon speaks of “pro-regime” forces, then Fox immediately talks about “pro-Russian” forces.
        2. On the 8th there are reports that there were, including Russian mercenaries.
        Washington Post with reference to barmaleya
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisa
        n / wp / 2018/02/09 / in-syria-russian-bad-faith-turns-
        fatal /
        CBS channel with reference to the Pentagon rat.
        http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4942731
        Barmaley discusses separately the homosexual behavior of a Russian liaison officer who was supposed to prevent conflict
        We told them there is some movement, and we don't like to ... attack on this movement. They [the Russians] don't accept our offer and denied, said there's nothing happening, ”Hassan said through an interpreter.

        Hassan said that as the carnage spread, the Russian liaison officer contacted him again, asking for a pause to collect the dead and wounded - from an attack he had earlier denied was coming. The Kurdish commander saw this as a breach of faith.


        “We don't trust Russia anymore,”

        going through Barmaley. Lost faith in the Word of the Russian Officer, such a disaster.
        3. Standard messages of Russian officials appear.
        Peskov: I don’t know anything.
        https://vz.ru/news/2018/2/8/907344.html
        Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: "The eternems have long gone; mattresses are unlimited"
        Our Masha (Zakharova): "Get out of your mind."
        https://ria.ru/syria/20180208/1514248296.html
        4. On the 8th, Strelkov writes that the pro-Assad forces are almost entirely the Wagnerites who were traveling to squeeze out a gas station (more precisely, an oil refinery and a field). 20-30 200. Sending to acquaintances in New Russia. A similar topic appears in thematic public and television channels.
        5. February 9-10 went hype. Russophobia liberals are fomenting (their ntamnets finally seized upon the Americans, and that’s not just Michael Bohm) on the one hand, and the patriots of the Novorossiysk spill on the other (they betrayed us again).
        Personally, I followed at the same time Malgin
        https://avmalgin.livejournal.com/7513480.html
        and el muridou
        https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3666035.html
        6. February 11th, the bombing hype. Strelkov writes about 600+ 200, including regulars from the MTR, but not exactly and without details.
        7. On February 12, the editorial board of the VO considers it necessary to indicate that pravoseki (banned on the territory of the Russian Federation) will jump again (not yet, this is their sweet dream from the time of Ilovaisk), in connection with which all of the above stuffing, provocation and information war. Girkin betrayed.

        Summary.
        1. The blow of the Americans was for sure, absolutely everyone confirms this.
        2. The Cheka, most likely there were. This is confirmed by Barmaley, the Pentagon informal and Girkin’s acquaintances. Only Barmaley is named, the rest are anonymous. Officially, the Pentagon has not yet confirmed, MO denies. On the other hand, the Ministry of Defense spoke exclusively about military personnel, and traditionally it does not know anything about tourists, this is in the Ministry of Tourism.
        3. How many 200 and whether there are regulars - is still unknown. We are waiting for the Pentagon or American journalists.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 12 February 2018 10: 18
          +6
          Informatively)
        2. Genry
          Genry 12 February 2018 11: 34
          +12
          There is such a thing as a “shift of consciousness." When a set of small distortions try to create the impression of reliability or validity .... trying to convince a person of an unreal "vision".
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          1. ship mechanic
            ship mechanic 12 February 2018 17: 57
            +4
            Quote: vlad-ns
            Killed almost the entire l / s of the 5th company. one t-72 and one brdm survived ... Strelkov a la Girkin can write anything and any number until the tows are dry, but the death of the company is 100% reliable infa, and from those who survived. I want to note that the PMCs are not only for the dough. Anyone who has ever taken part in a database will understand that money there, of course, plays a role, but not the most important one. The adrenaline you get is like a drug. Someone gets off him, and someone sits down. And PMCs - just for such adrenaline. Someone worries about the fallen, someone cynically spits on the dead, like - they wanted to "cut the dough" - well, it didn’t work out. What can you do ... There are fighters, they carried out the order of HIS command, and the PMC command does nothing without the order of the General Staff of the MO, I repeat: Nothing! He never takes any initiative. Everything is tough there: the order to "feel" was received - they advanced and carried out. and the fact that gentlemen oligarchs made an order to seize refineries and other facilities in the SAR is a common thing! Malofeev also made an order for Girkin to spin some business in Slavyansk. The result is on the face! Putin that on TV announced to the world, back in April 2014? "God forbid that at least one shell or one bullet fires at women or children of Donbass - our soldiers will be behind them!" AND? Dill 4 years kherachat in the civilian population of Donbass! Therefore, the conclusion is simple: where Pu ... - they betray and sell everyone and everything! Such is the nature of traitors-traders. He, at the time, was asked, directly asked, live: "Do you have a conscience?" He answered briefly: "No!"
            1. ship mechanic
              ship mechanic 12 February 2018 18: 09
              +6
              "Almost the entire squadron of the 5th company was killed. One t-72 and one brdm survived ..". killed 215-217, I apologize for the strength of the company? if almost the entire l / s turns out to be about 230 fighters. I don’t know how the companies are formed at the Wagner, but you don’t find too much for one company? and the total strength of about 1000 people, if only five companies.
              1. 412
                412 12 February 2018 19: 52
                0

                SDK Wagner
              2. Serzh
                Serzh 16 February 2018 15: 44
                +1
                Our company had 4 groups of 12 soldiers + 2 officers. This is an SPN company. PMCs, in my comprehension - specialists are required to be super-efficient, otherwise the meaning is at least greatly eroded by PMCs. This is to say that their company is unlikely to outnumber the composition of the official special forces. In the region of 50-60 people.
                And further. Due to circumstances, the Wagner group works in a certain info space created around it. And, I’m sure, this is taken into account. And the multiplicity here certainly does not play into their hands.
                My IMHO.
            2. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 13 February 2018 19: 06
              -1
              Rude, but true. The first always cleanse the betrayal in their ranks, but when it is at the very top, then things are more serious. Then the cry: "Homeland is in danger", therefore, everything for the presidential election from the patriotic forces of Russia, - P. Grudinin ...
            3. Yars
              Yars 14 February 2018 00: 02
              +1
              Quote: ship mechanic
              Quote: vlad-ns
              Malofeev Girkin also made an order for pressing some business in Slavyansk. The result on the face! Putin announced on TV all over the world, back in April 2014? "What, God forbid, at least one shell or one bullet will shoot at women or children of Donbass - our soldiers will stand behind them!" AND? Dill 4, herachat on the peaceful population of Donbass! Therefore, the conclusion is simple: where Pu ... - there betray and sell everyone and everything! Such is the nature of traitors-traffickers. He was asked at the time, directly asked, on the air: "Do you have a conscience?" He replied briefly: "No!"


              the fact that Girkin’s order from the Oligarchs has long been clear, as well as the fact that vlad-ns is a regular liberal who understands little but earnestly loves to throw mud at the president, I don’t understand and I don’t know what Putin is facing and what is the situation in the world in general!
            4. tikhonov66
              tikhonov66 16 February 2018 13: 27
              +1
              "... where Pu .."
              .
              - and where "vlad-ns" - there is only a sonorous p-xs of the propagandist of the Phasington State Department.
              No more, but no less.
          2. evgenii67
            evgenii67 13 February 2018 10: 14
            0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1tS0VlqdZo apparently the death of the Wagner fighters is true
            1. Zheleznostop
              Zheleznostop 13 February 2018 11: 33
              +11
              True from the centurion.? It even hung over. It is necessary for him to donate to the boyar, otherwise the sick one will die.
            2. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 13 February 2018 19: 24
              +2
              Propaganda is by all means with a lie, shots of executions by turntables, - a hodgepodge from all Syrian and Iraqi fights. And enemy propaganda on the sane always acts the opposite. A video of enemy propaganda and only .. We specifically understand what happened, why it happened and the conclusions punishing all those responsible for the death, especially from the enemy side ...
          3. Sasha71
            Sasha71 13 February 2018 15: 09
            +3
            What a miserable libel! A typical liberal Svidomo product. Neither accurate data nor evidence. but tons of bile and emotions on the topic of “putinsatan.” Understandably, there is no work in the Svidomostan, crowds of stupid people are sitting at the clave and broadcasting in RuNet, and the Podpinsk resources like VO are their tribune.
        4. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 12 February 2018 13: 09
          +13
          Negro,
          Skillfully and intelligibly. Thank!
          I read the article “on behalf of Girkin-Strelkov” the other day on the “Military Materials” - yes, the article is panicky and unpleasant. This is all that is in Runet, unless you particularly strain. Well, if Fontanka also fountains soon.
          And so ..... PMCs are a special status. And the Russian Ministry of Defense is not a defendant for them (and about them). Like Peskov, like Zakharov.
          The stump is clear that Wagner & Co. does not carry out their operations by themselves in an airless space. The command of the MTR of the Russian Federation in Syria knows everything for certain. And if there were irrecoverable losses received as a result of "friendly fire", the answer will follow. This has already happened in Syria. And will be.
          1. Negro
            Negro 12 February 2018 14: 38
            +16
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And the Russian Ministry of Defense for them (and about them) is not a defendant. Like Peskov, like Zakharov.

            Girkin writes that 200+ Russian citizens died. If true, no one is the defendant? Like, as if an avalanche of climbers were overwhelmed, extreme tourism, that's all?
            If the truth is what they write, the boys with tanks and riflemen were driven to the SDS headquarters, knowing that the Americans were there, it’s not “in war as in war, it happens”, this is a concrete betrayal in the style of the first Chechen.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            irretrievable losses resulting from the "friendly fire", the answer will follow.

            To whom is the answer? To the Americans? Once again, weakly check? Do you understand what is the balance of forces on this particular theater?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 12 February 2018 14: 42
              +12
              Quote: Negro
              To whom is the answer? To the Americans? Once again, weakly check? Do you understand what is the balance of forces on this particular theater?

              For the execution of two captured "volunteers", the militants of the MTR "settled" ...
              Quote: Negro
              If the truth is what they write, the boys with tanks and riflemen were driven to the SDS headquarters, knowing that the Americans were there, it’s not “in war as in war, it happens”, this is a concrete betrayal in the style of the first Chechen.

              Further, I recommend reading “Military Materials”, the article “Hysteria about Wagner: the nation has the right to know how the battalion lay down in the desert.”
              Quote: Negro
              Girkin writes that 200 + Russian citizens died. If true, no one is the defendant? Like, as if an avalanche of climbers were overwhelmed, extreme tourism, then-sho ?.

              I somehow thought you were smarter .... Or did you just tear up the post above?
              1. Negro
                Negro 12 February 2018 15: 48
                +1
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Or a post above you just tore up?

                In a post in the morning, facts that are hard to argue with. This is an assessment of events, in which we, apparently, disagree.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Further, I recommend reading "Military materials

                I read it. The author in his life is nothing heavier than a glass and did not hold <WARNING, MAT> in his hands. Already unsubscribed below.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                For the execution of two captured "volunteers", the militants of the MTR "settled" ...

                With whom?
              2. 412
                412 12 February 2018 19: 58
                +2
                "For the execution of two captured" volunteers ", the SSO fighters" settled ... "
                Do you finally have an idea of ​​war?
                Who will pay with whom and for what? Some kind of kindergarten.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 12 February 2018 21: 51
                  +9
                  Quote: 412
                  Do you finally have an idea of ​​war?

                  Are we playing tanks?
                  lol
                2. insular
                  insular 13 February 2018 00: 15
                  +5
                  Quote: 412
                  Do you finally have an idea of ​​war? Who will pay with whom and for what? Some kind of kindergarten.

                  Is the school already on vacation? Go do your homework! Alive! Until the father saw what you would spend it on.
        5. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat 12 February 2018 13: 46
          +19
          I watched the video, the cut (similar to the teachings) and the host’s hysteria, striving to say the word “Russians” as often as possible, apparently they pay him separately for each time. lol
          In general, the situation is ideal for stuffing: the United States from all the dope and it seems quite prepared (!) To intervene in the dismantling of the "tribes" for the plant. One of the "tribes" was designated as "proAsadovskie", although there are many rushing and situational allies, today they are with you against ISIS, tomorrow they are against you with al-Nusra ..... further, an "unnamed source" claims hundreds of crushed Russians (preferably from PMCs, since the losses of the Ministry of Defense are officially confirmed, and whether anyone from the PMC was still to be established with the tribe) and the HYSTERIA is inflated. They betrayed us, WHERE our answer is, we will again keep silent ... while the calm of the Defense Ministry looks like a betrayal, and the Defense Ministry has no reason to answer and start a real war ...
          Here is such an INFORMATION WAR.
          1. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 16 February 2018 13: 34
            0
            Here is such an INFORMATION WAR.
            .
            - SHAME on the police state - USA - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional LIAR and SCAM!
            - shame-rr! 8-((.
        6. Muvka
          Muvka 12 February 2018 20: 15
          +8
          Isn’t that a fake video? And very often they catch Murida on fakes?
        7. the monastery
          the monastery 12 February 2018 21: 06
          0
          point 4 I CONFIRM!
        8. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 18 February 2018 14: 42
          0
          not weak you are confused), thanks, it was interesting
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    3. 210ox
      210ox 12 February 2018 06: 29
      +17
      Well, so many here demand ... "We must know!" What are we obliged to? Get noodles on the ears or all the same information that is not intended for them, but for specialists? Why?
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Why not publish reliable information at all, and trust Ukrainian media sources at all?
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 12 February 2018 10: 21
        +12
        Quote: 210ox

        Well, so many here demand ... "We must know!" What are we obliged to? Get noodles on the ears or all the same information that is not intended for them, but for specialists? Why?

        We seem to be obliged to know something, but here is the exact Old Russian Defense Ministry information, but we can only trust her, we are not even obliged to give us. The Ministry of Defense should not even give where, in what quantity, with what weapons, with what task the Wagner PMC is. There is an information war. Therefore, for lack of reliable information, there is nothing to discuss here. Only one fact is alarming - the practical simultaneity of delivering strikes by Israeli and American aircraft. An accident?
        One thing I don’t understand is what are we doing there? Consider the options.
        1. Destroy the terrorists (igil, etc.) And do not interfere in anything else.
        2. We strengthen Assad’s throne so that it does not crumble beneath it. Those. strengthen its defenses. In return, we get the opportunity to build two bases.
        This is kind of positive. But Assad's external enemies strike at his troops. What should be the reaction of Russia? If internal enemies strike at Assad, then Russia punishes the adversary with all the might of its VKS. And if external (USA, Israel) then ...?
        Forgive me for my denseness, but I cannot understand this, alas and ah.
        For simplicity's sake, I would have made a statement to the UN - Any attacks on the SAA will be regarded as delivering attacks on the Russian army. With all the ensuing consequences.
        You must demonstrate your strength in practice, not in words. Nobody believes in words today. Otherwise, we will never have allies. Even those who are supposedly considered allies today will depart. Hint at the CSTO
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            1. Negro
              Negro 13 February 2018 09: 11
              0
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              When Iraq and Yugoslavia had all the holes, what power was in Russia? Today?

              Well, in the 97th it’s slightly different, and in the 03th this one was the same. What’s the question?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2018 10: 02
                +3
                Quote: Negro
                Well, in the 97th it’s slightly different, and in the 03th this one was the same. What’s the question?

                Well, if for you Russia 2003 = Russia 2018, then our conversation does not make sense.
                1. Negro
                  Negro 14 February 2018 00: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Well, if for you Russia 2003 = Russia 2018, then our conversation does not make sense.

                  Well, if in 2003 your mother didn’t allow you to watch TV (in 2003 it wasn’t a curtain yet) - then yes, perhaps you are right.
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 16 February 2018 13: 38
        0
        "...
        “We must know!” What we must? Get noodles on the ears
        ..."
        - and the friendly choir of the Phishington Internet bots together echoes:
        - Noodles, noodles, noodles are still noodles !!!
        More, more, more, more of the Nashington's Noodle - yes, thicker, thicker ...
        8-))
        .
        - SHAME on the police state - FSA - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional LIAR and FRAUD!
    4. Finches
      Finches 12 February 2018 06: 33
      +67
      There will be no shortage of such fakes until March 18 - "384 shock army perished in Syria on" Iskander "! Infa 100%! "," Why are we spending hundreds of billions to help Assad! ", and so on ... Then calm down a bit! In general, if all the media existing today suddenly stop reprinting from each other and posting all kinds of nonsense, then they will have to close their shops to the majority! More often than not, the one who knows the truth will never really tell about it, and the one who knows nothing can hardly shut his mouth ... laughing
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 12 February 2018 07: 26
        +12
        and nobody saw the submarines in the desert, didn’t they?
        1. Abel
          Abel 12 February 2018 19: 32
          +2
          Are they also from MANPADS?
          1. free_flier
            free_flier 13 February 2018 01: 49
            +4
            on anti-tank were killed ...
      2. 555222ССА
        555222ССА 12 February 2018 12: 48
        +3
        Well done to the very point
      3. shoemaker
        shoemaker 12 February 2018 20: 28
        0
        if the battlefield is left behind by the Kurds (read - by the Americans), then the dead soldiers can be identified by tokens.
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2018 08: 48
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        More often than not, the one who knows the truth will never really tell about it, and the one who knows nothing can hardly shut his mouth ... laughing

        And it would be necessary. And this can be done by adopting the law on lies in the media. In the kitchen, on fishing, on the hunt - yes, for God's sake, there would be free ears. But in the media .. Lied? Come here! Taking off his pants and becoming in a pose. This is a joke of course. But seriously, then - a fine. Moreover - solid. So that it wasn’t bad. Can you imagine how many newspapers would be closed, how many “political scientists”, “historians” dragged languages ​​in the ass.
        How much less to read any trash would have to. After all, until you read it, you don’t understand whether this is rubbish or solid material. And this is where you have to waste time.
        1. ganjin
          ganjin 14 February 2018 05: 55
          +1
          It is pointless. How will the lies be determined? Will someone control the media? That is censorship? “Human rights activists” will peck for freedom of speech and will do it right, because certainly will be for what. Then the info war and propaganda (good) is when there is no lies and you can’t catch it, when it is it is base propaganda of the level of “cheap”, “yellow” media.
      5. ganjin
        ganjin 14 February 2018 05: 56
        +1
        About the elections you rightly noticed. There is nothing to be surprised at and without them, everyone is enough.
      6. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 18 February 2018 14: 48
        +1
        probably the most faithful comment
    5. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 06: 59
      +10
      who will you believe more - eyewitnesses or officials?
      1. Finches
        Finches 12 February 2018 07: 31
        +43
        "On May 4, 1925, the Earth will fly ... on the axis of heaven! I tell you the truth!"laughing
        1. dima9990
          dima9990 12 February 2018 08: 22
          +5
          Tongue removed laughing Recently, it is this passage from the classic that is often quoted.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 46
        +23
        Quote: antiamerikan
        who will you believe more - eyewitnesses or officials

        Look at an eyewitness, at least from around the corner?
        1. Abel
          Abel 12 February 2018 19: 33
          +3
          No one is lying like a witness. -Who is the witness? -I am a witness. What happened?
      3. You Vlad
        You Vlad 12 February 2018 17: 57
        +6
        Quote: antiamerikan
        who will you believe more - eyewitnesses or officials?

        Oh, an eyewitness was found! Well tell me what you saw? Guys, well, these are not the guys to drain the Old! So Girkin worked, that’s why you think for yourself! I’m pretty sure.
      4. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 19: 25
        +4
        Quote: antiamerikan
        who will you believe more - eyewitnesses or officials?

        let me know how you determine who was an eyewitness ??? recourse recourse recourse also from his combat couch !!! what wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    6. karish
      karish 12 February 2018 07: 01
      +20
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Why not publish reliable information at all, and you shouldn’t trust Ukrainian media sources at all

      Well, actually the messages appeared in the Western media, but the Ukrainians just picked them up.
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Perhaps Girkin is just a short-sighted person once relies on some speculation, because we are talking about human lives.

      Actually, according to the official version of the Moscow Region, PMCs are not there, therefore, there are no losses among them, and civilians die during bombing only from Yusov bombs.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 12 February 2018 09: 11
        +14
        Military Review conducted its own verification of the disseminated information and established that in fact the information has possible the fake subtext is not based on exact confirmations from anyone directly related to the Wagnerites. ... ... these media misinformation refer to the publication of Igor Strelkov (Girkin)

        That is, all that VO has established, that the disseminated information has a POSSIBLE fake subtext? And how really happened knows nothing! It turns out - maybe a fake, but maybe not.
        It is further argued that information about Wagnerians is not based on the evidence of people who are related to Wagnerians. And then they write that the info comes from Strelkova. But, excuse me, Igor Strelkov personally knows many Wangnerites! Already he, first-hand has the opportunity to get reliable information from the participants themselves. So what did VO actually investigate?
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 12 February 2018 09: 26
          +10
          Girkin is an interested person and has long been compromising himself.
          Quote: Stas157
          So what did VO actually investigate?

          Sources - where it all came from, it is written after all. Understand that no one will give you information on the military in Syria, and those who willingly give are likely to lie.
          I exclude the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. But it also gives and will give information in dosage. And it is right. Therefore, calm down and go about your business.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 12 February 2018 09: 32
            +13
            Quote: Foxmara
            self-compromised for a long time.

            In what?
            Quote: Foxmara
            Understand that no one will give you information on the military in Syria, and those who willingly give are likely to lie.

            What, then, can be investigated? And what is this investigation worth?
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 12 February 2018 14: 37
              +5
              Quote: Stas157
              In what?

              In the Internet.
              Statement by Strelkov himself: "I do not know what they write on my behalf. I did not write this."
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 12 February 2018 18: 03
                +3
                Quote: sogdy
                In the Internet.
                Statement by Strelkov himself: "I do not know what they write on my behalf. I did not write this."

                Lime page, CIA handwriting.
            2. Andrey Zavarzin
              Andrey Zavarzin 12 February 2018 18: 23
              +10
              Girkin, at least connected with the SBU.
              Bend your fingers
              1) It fit into the story with the Boeing MN-17, of all the evidence the words are only of Girkin himself, about the involvement of militias or even Russia, although all other facts directly indicate a clear provocation of Ukraine.
              2) Passed Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, practically without a fight. Bezler kept Gorlovka completely surrounded for months and never gave up.
              3) In August 2014, he tried to surrender Donetsk, in the midst of the fighting, as the commander in chief gave the order to surrender Donetsk ("to preserve forces and means" (c) Girkin), left his position and was caught by other commanders near Donetsk.
              Later he justified himself with a “nervous breakdown” (More Girkin’s interview “Who are you Shooter?” Newspaper “Tomorrow”).

              Girkin is a very entertaining figure, he will prove himself more than once.
              Not about what happened in Syria.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 12 February 2018 21: 52
                +8
                Quote: Andrey Zavarzin

                1) Fits the story with the Boeing MN-17

                That is, he proved that Boeing militias shot down? What are you carrying?
                Quote: Andrey Zavarzin
                2) Passed Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, practically without a fight.

                Who are you telling this to? Have you served in the army? Slavyansk was surrounded by the whole army of Ukraine. Was doomed. Shooters brought 2 thousand people with equipment from a hopeless situation!
                Quote: Andrey Zavarzin
                3) In August 2014, he tried to surrender Donetsk, in the midst of the fighting, as the commander in chief gave the order to surrender Donetsk ("to preserve forces and means" (c) Girkin), left his position and was caught by other commanders near Donetsk.

                Andrey, write it on the Censor, they will appreciate you there.
                1. Zheleznostop
                  Zheleznostop 13 February 2018 11: 37
                  0
                  On the censor of the girkind quote wake up.
          2. slontusid
            slontusid 12 February 2018 11: 49
            +13
            Quote: Foxmara
            Girkin is an interested person and has long been compromising himself.

            and who are you to say such a thing about him? ... show up hero ...
            Quote: Foxmara
            so calm down and do your own thing.

            calm your mom, Dudaev troll
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 19: 27
              +1
              Quote: slontusid
              and who are you to say such a thing about him? ... show up hero ...

              nuuu ... along the way, the hero is no worse than girkin !! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
              1. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 12 February 2018 23: 45
                +4
                Nikolay! hi Good evening!
                Probably you know, Semen Pegov, a military commissar from the Telegram channel WarGonzo, an authoritative person ....

                His "extreme" infa on what happened .....
                On February 10, WarGonzo publishes an audio recording and transcript of the negotiations of several interlocutors about the events of that battle. We are trying to restore the picture, which one of the interlocutors described as "fierce hell!"

                The column consisting of several companies of Wagner PMC was moving towards the object, which was planned to be "squeezed out". Before reaching the goal of several hundred meters, the convoy stopped and the reconnaissance platoon advanced.
                Suddenly, at the positions occupied by the militants, American flags are raised and the shooting of our guys, whom, apparently, were waiting, begins. The artillery, which was supposed to support the advancing units, was suppressed for a short period of time as a result of a coordinated attack by American drone drones. At the same time, American artillery and MLRS struck the convoy, four AH-64 Apache attack helicopters sent the rest.
                four turntables were launched into the carousel from heavy machine guns, shorter than all x ..., ours except the machine guns had nothing at all ... we clearly and clearly knew ... what we were going, Russians ...
                The bearded men and their American patrons went to the cleanup. One tank and one BRDM survived from the equipment, the rest of the “armor” was destroyed in the first minutes of the battle. So correctly guided artillery attacks could only specially trained spotters from the US Special Operations Forces.
                losses among our guys amounted to more than 215 people and a lot of missing people. The personnel of PMCs in Syria are demoralized, people do not understand how and why they were thrown to death if the fact that the American side informed their Russian counterparts from the Ministry of Defense about their readiness to strike at the convoy was officially confirmed. Ours simply could not know about the ethnicity of the fighters who were already at gunpoint. The official release reads: ... An airstrike of coalition forces in Deir ez-Zor province against militia units has once again demonstrated that the true goal of continuing the illegal presence of US forces in Syria is not the fight against ISIS, but the seizure and control of economic assets belonging to them Syrian Arab Republic.
                . Revenge "for the boys" will not take long ... Wagner knows how to take revenge!
                "Thumb" up - support our guys.
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 13 February 2018 00: 04
                  +6
                  Quote: Solomon Kane
                  Nikolay! Good evening!
                  Probably you know, Semen Pegov, a military commissar from the Telegram channel WarGonzo, an authoritative person ....

                  drinks drinks hi and how is he with such an “investigation” different from a half-cunning “military” blogger who started getting along about a bunch of our destroyed aircraft under NG ??? !!! fool fool fool I believe that a respected person will not disseminate such things ... especially when no one has the exact information, and liberalists and other evil spirits produce fakes with figures about hundreds of ours killed !!!negative negative negative it seems, it's time for our special services to deal with dubious info and its distributors !!! am am request request lol lol
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 13 February 2018 00: 46
                  +6
                  Quote: Solomon Kane
                  Probably you know, Semen Pegov, a military commissar from the Telegram channel WarGonzo, an authoritative person ....

                  I came across Ostashko's reasoning !!! request request good good

                  For reference, regardless of what was or was not there, to spread enemy propaganda is, at the very least, mean and unpatriotic. In addition, private military companies even exist in Russia, in China, in America. They exist in order to do those things in those places where the appearance of official armed forces is undesirable. And if someone thinks that such behavior is unworthy of a great power, then this couch expert considers himself smarter than the leaders of the USA, China, Great Britain and Russia combined. And that's not it. Even the USSR at the zenith of its glory sent military advisers to Korea, who were officially listed as correspondents of the newspaper Pravda, and not as the Soviet military. And what, the USSR was not a great power or was it led by fools? Not. It’s just that there is a visible part of any war, but there is an invisible one that goes by its own laws. And there’s nothing to climb there with their dirty paws, and scream about the fact that someone was leaked there. The only correct claim that can and should be presented to the Russian leadership in this situation is that there is still no normal legislative regulation of the creation and legal activity of private military companies in Russia. The Duma is aware of the problem and the PMC law will be adopted soon. And if something really happened there in Syria, then the accounts will be settled in the working order. Will definitely be.
                  https://aftershock.news/?q=node/616124&utm_re
                  ferrer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com

                  and no verbal bravado is needed in the form of "... Revenge" for the boys "will not keep you waiting ... Wagner knows how to take revenge!
                  "Thumb up" - support our guys .... "
                  am am am negative negative negative
                  1. Nosgoth
                    Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 29
                    +4
                    You are not sitting on the salary of the MO? And then it’s folding in one direction, drown directly, according to the “instruction manual”, translating the arrows. And then everyone is accustomed to stigmatize the United States in their duplicity, but among themselves it rolls over no less.

                    If you can refute what is written, then proofs to the studio. Otherwise, your feud tirade is itself a feck. And then your version (sofa version) looks too one-sided. Like, "I don’t believe anything, they (MO and rulers) are so impeccable, they always know better, they are infallible and unshakable, this is the 100500th most cunning plan, alleluha!". It’s sick of such “patriotists” (namely, “patriotists”, not patriots, because a patriot is soul for the people and country, and not for the bright mind of rulers and generals).

                    If everything is as described (that no one took away ours knowing about the ambush and didn’t cover up), then they really merged our people there, merged spineless people in the leadership of Moscow Region and the country, who can only tell fairy tales how polite they are ... probably polite to their friends and families living abroad.

                    And to say that if it is PMCs, then they can be easily expended on consumption - this is the height of cynicism and hypocrisy (the Liberists would envy you). These are the same citizens of the Russian Federation, former military men, officers (many of them have more experience than you and others who are here), they are not on their own, they act strictly on orders from above (if they were not supervised by the Russian Defense Ministry, they would be 25 would be ironed for a long time) and act where there are interests of our country, but there is no desire to shine personally. Therefore, if the situation is as it is, then this is simply spineless betrayal, which has no justification. And I doubt that there will be at least some kind of answer ... these are our highest figures of slugs.
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 13 February 2018 03: 42
                      +5
                      Quote: Nosgoth
                      You are not sitting on the salary of the MO?

                      who are you talking to ??? what what wassat wassat
                      Quote: Nosgoth
                      If you can refute what is written, then proofs to the studio. Otherwise, your feud tirade is itself a feck.

                      who taught you a primitive technique to close up a fake first and demand a rebuttal to your fake ??? what laughing laughing laughing
                    2. Negro
                      Negro 13 February 2018 07: 28
                      +2
                      Quote: Nosgoth
                      merged spineless in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the country

                      Not a supporter of retelling of telegram channels, but they write that everything is worse. Stupidly decided to fuck Wagner, because his grandmothers in St. Petersburg did not share grandmothers. Pure Boris Abramych 1994 model.
                      Quote: Nosgoth
                      Liberians would envy you

                      I am a liberalist. Why envy?
                      Quote: Nosgoth
                      that there will be at least some kind of answer ...

                      Another. The answer to whom?
                  2. Negro
                    Negro 13 February 2018 07: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    They exist in order to do those things in those places where the appearance of official armed forces is undesirable

                    This is a lie. PMCs exist to solve a million private issues to which the Army does not reach. Clearing the rear, protecting facilities, etc. In essence, military private security companies. Under no circumstances can they be cut with regulars, if it is not about the APU.
                    For meat there are local ones. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are so bad at this matter that they use their own citizens instead of local ones.
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    he sent military advisers to Korea, who were officially listed as correspondents of the newspaper Pravda, and not as the Soviet military.

                    They there with Kalash stormed the headquarters of the Americans?
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    Duma knows about the problem

                    Jokes, b,
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    https://aftershock.news

                    A freak by reference says that the shelling of F16, which led to the total removal of Syrian air defense, is Shoigin’s revenge for Prigogine’s.
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    Wagner knows how to take revenge!

                    Wagner would now have to speak with those who had not reached the Americans. Personally, I hope that he will not succeed. Let's see if they know how to avenge or do not know how. Unfortunately, they can hardly.
        2. Mic1969
          Mic1969 12 February 2018 12: 45
          +8
          Quote: Stas157
          But, excuse me, Igor Strelkov personally knows many Wangnerites!

          Excuse me, who is this Strelkov? Is this not the same colonel of the GUGSHVRN MVD FSB RAS Girkind?
          1. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 32
            +3
            Excuse me, who are you? Can your merits be in the studio? And then too many critics divan divorced.
        3. You Vlad
          You Vlad 12 February 2018 18: 02
          +7
          Quote: Stas157
          But, excuse me, Igor Strelkov personally knows many Wangnerites! Already he, first-hand has the opportunity to get reliable information from the participants themselves.

          That is, Stas, you say that one of them leaked him knowing or not knowing about his incontinence? And why? They gave a subscription, but he framed them like that? I wouldn’t open my mouth on this topic until the dust settles (it's me about you)
          1. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 35
            0
            When your colleagues / comrades are knocked down like pigs, and the command of the poh, and they brought you to this slaughterhouse ... then there is a desire not only to Amer and Barmelya to roll their necks, but also to those who are poh ... And then there are already poh for subscriptions, because those who accepted them from you assured that they would not leave, everything was authorized and you won’t be left without support.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 13 February 2018 14: 57
              +3
              Quote: Nosgoth
              When your colleagues / comrades are knocked down like pigs, and the command of FSUs, and they brought you to this slaughterhouse ..

              Pusik, read the Charter, everything is said there about the capacity of command. And do not carry nonsense in the Hollywood style.
              This is a specialized site, the presence of people who are not familiar with the realities and order in the army is not supposed.
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        4. Abel
          Abel 12 February 2018 19: 34
          +5
          Does Strelkov know Wagnerites, or does he say he knows?
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 13 February 2018 15: 00
            0
            Between them generation. At best, a real Shooter might know their parents.
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 16 February 2018 13: 50
        +2
        "... well, actually the messages appeared in the Western media ..."
        .
        Yeah! - In 2008, “ALL (!) Western media” - THE WHOLE MONTH (!) - at all corners in GOOD (!) TRUUUUBIIIIILI !!! - as "a bloody Russian mettome tormenting young Georgian democracy"
        - and then (a month later) - on the last of their pages spelled out in small print - shah, well, yes, they frowned ... the demon got it wrong ... - Since in REAL it is Sssaakashvileeva Georgia, trained and laced by the phishington - killed Russian peacekeepers and shot peaceful Tskhinval from hail and tank guns ...
        .
        - not, but you’ll figure it out - after all, the “Western media” have been holding FOR THE WHOLE MONTH (!)!
        And moreover, as one !!
        .
        That means the mighty power of the Fashigton regional committee ...
        .
        - SHAME on the police state - FSA - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional LIAR and FRAUD!
    7. starogil
      starogil 12 February 2018 07: 16
      +11
      There is a statement: Justified - it means to blame.
      About the same and "Where are they coming from ...", whether Girkin, didn’t Girkin launch information - to refute
      it can only be true, eyewitness accounts, participants in the events, honesty,
      openness of those who give orders. In the meantime, we see that PR
      Russian air defense and electronic warfare, as a result of collusion behind Assad with Netonyakha, Trump,
      Erdogan, in conditions of open raids and shelling by the coalition and Israel, are inactive.
      The Russian contingent in Syria is in a dual position from here and this is
      information and speculation by it.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 12 February 2018 08: 52
        +6
        Quote: starogil
        There is a statement: Justified - it means to blame.
        About the same and "Where are they coming from ...", whether Girkin, didn’t Girkin launch information - to refute
        it can only be true, eyewitness accounts, participants in the events, honesty,
        openness of those who give orders. In the meantime, we see that PR
        Russian air defense and electronic warfare, as a result of collusion behind Assad with Netonyakha, Trump,
        Erdogan, in conditions of open raids and shelling by the coalition and Israel, are inactive.
        The Russian contingent in Syria is in a dual position from here and this is
        information and speculation by it.

        Those. only eyewitnesses can refute, but there is no evidence of eyewitnesses that this is a fact. Generally no evidence.
        1. The Sparkle
          The Sparkle 12 February 2018 20: 50
          +4
          They have run out of batteries on smartphones and the film lit up on development.))
          1. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 45
            0
            In the desert, just WiFi is badly caught, especially on a combat mission and with the group almost completely destroyed. To whom to send pictures and through what? Indirectly know what happened can those who hear the radio and knew that the group is heading to the point (those who stayed at the base) but they will not have a photo, only indirect evidence. Yesterday, the boys beat and left on a mission, but today they are not there and there is no connection with them, and tomorrow too, and their Defense Ministry is being pressured -
            "be silent", otherwise, according to the article, the FSB will pack it as a member of an illegal armed formation.
            1. Negro
              Negro 13 February 2018 07: 32
              0
              Quote: Nosgoth
              To whom to send pictures and through what?

              They write
              a) it was night during the battle, and the lights do not shine there.
              b) the battlefield remained behind the enemy, so no photos appeared in the morning.
              c) since the adversary is Americans, with discipline there is sharply better than usual in these parts. This explains the lack of self on the background of burning equipment. There are no little girls regardless of whether Wagner was covered there or whom, although it is known for sure that someone was covered.
        2. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 42
          0
          But there are so-called "means of objective control" that the Russian Defense Ministry has, let them show whose forces it was, and how they got water in their mouths. They are the ones who possess information (and actively merge) about all the small skirmishes, but here they’re “knowing us”.

          If the situation is as it is, then most of the witnesses simply died, the rest xs (whether they survive) and the data can come up more from the side of amers and barmaleys in the form of a selfie against the background of the bodies of our dead and their personal belongings, unless our rulers want to hide this fact and they will make another deal with the amers behind everyone’s back so that they don’t spread, and ours will again be “blind” when they raid government troops.
        3. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 16 February 2018 13: 54
          0
          "... In general, no evidence ...."
          .
          and WHY the Phashington Regional Committee some kind of "evidence" there !!!
          .
          This is not a fascinton affair ... all kinds of evidence.
          Jihnim SHAWKAM - "world media" - MUST BELIEVE ON THE WORD.
          - for this they are paid and bucks.
          .
          - SHAME on the police state - FSA - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional LIAR and FRAUD!
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 12 February 2018 11: 25
        +4
        Quote: starogil
        just the truth, eyewitness accounts,

        Quote: starogil
        honesty,
        openness

        What reality do you live in ??? What honesty and openness in war? Only information war and misinformation !!!
        Quote: starogil
        as a result of collusion behind Assad

        Assaddavno is no longer a subject, but an object of geopolitics. As it is beneficial to us, so we will act!
        1. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 48
          0
          What are the benefits besides impotent bases, which can only protect themselves, and shame in front of their own? Ours are fighting, while others are already starting to divide Syria, and China is there too.
          1. ruslann004
            ruslann004 13 February 2018 07: 07
            +4
            "What are the benefits besides impotent bases" - I see you are a specialist in geo-politics?
            Didn’t it come to your head that our country had to intervene because of geo-politics?
            All info from all over the world flocks to the center, only a small circle of people knows this info.
            With which x..v the Kremlin should share the info with you? With each cook that the Kremlin should share info? But ON K..X not to send?
            I personally have heard while one version of why we are in Syria, like they want to carry a pipe from Qatar to Europe.
            1. Negro
              Negro 13 February 2018 07: 46
              0
              Quote: ruslann004
              want to pipe from qatar to europe.

              It's hard to see a map, right? From Qatar to Europe, there is no Syria. And there are only and exclusively allies of the Americans.
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 13 February 2018 08: 52
                +2
                Quote: Negro
                It's hard to see a map, right? From Qatar to Europe, there is no Syria. And there are only and exclusively allies of the Americans.

                What kind of cards are you looking at? Globe of Ukraine ???





                You can of course through the north of Iraq and the south of Turkey ...

                But firstly Kurds, secondly mountains ...
                1. Negro
                  Negro 13 February 2018 09: 17
                  0
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  You can of course through the north of Iraq and the south of Turkey ...

                  Not possible, but without options.
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  But firstly the Kurds

                  And who do they go under?
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  secondly mountains ...

                  And how are you going to get around the mountains? If to the sea, then these are exactly the same tankers as in Qatar itself.
                  1. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 13 February 2018 10: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Negro
                    Not possible, but without options.


                    request
                    Quote: Negro
                    And who do they go under?

                    When how ... Therefore, the gas pipeline will not go.
                    Quote: Negro
                    If to the sea, then these are exactly the same tankers as in Qatar itself.

                    Those are not the same ...


                    By the way, oil, too ...

                    And why is option B better?
                    1. Negro
                      Negro 14 February 2018 00: 05
                      0
                      Quote: AllXVahhaB
                      And why is option B better?

                      First, why is the pipeline better than tankers?
                      Secondly, the dudes who drew a pipeline along the SA to the sea in Syria, bypassing Israel. Are they definitely adequate? Maybe felt-tip pens should be taken away?
                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 February 2018 13: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Negro
                        Secondly, the dudes who drew a pipeline along the SA to the sea in Syria, bypassing Israel.

                        And what is the principle of the pipeline through Israel?
    8. Foxmara
      Foxmara 12 February 2018 09: 18
      +8
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Perhaps Girkin is just a dim-witted person

      No, he has his own goals, that’s all. His number one goal was the war with Ukraine. To his great disappointment, and despite the fact that he was constantly hiding behind the name of the supreme commander, the latter did not send the army of the Russian Federation to the war. Since then, Girkin has been shitting where possible to Putin (or thinking he is shitting). IMHO, it turns out the agent of the fifth column, disguised as a patriot.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 12 February 2018 14: 45
        +4
        Quote: Foxmara
        Since then, Girkin has been shitting where possible to Putin

        Girkin is engaged in teaching (the word is, I did not come up with), has no accounts, no site. Like anyone on a subscription.

        Well, really, be adults.
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 12 February 2018 18: 15
        +2
        Quote: Foxmara
        His number one goal was the war with Ukraine. To his great disappointment, and despite the fact that he was constantly hiding behind the name of the supreme commander,

        He participated in Amer’s plans to divide Ukraine into two (Amer’s technology)! We didn’t need this!
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 14 February 2018 15: 50
          0
          In fact, according to the conclusion of the Military Prosecutor's Office, he was protecting relatives and acquaintances. He was NOT charged with participation in hostilities in another country.
      3. Nosgoth
        Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 48
        0
        Have you been spoiling Girkin since then, and so what? What are you better at?
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    10. tomket
      tomket 12 February 2018 09: 48
      +6
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Why not publish reliable information at all, and you shouldn’t trust Ukrainian media sources at all

      Why such an investigation is carried out, in order to ultimately say that Ukrainians are to blame for everything - it is not clear. In general, already on the second day, Strelkova was no longer referenced in public. So the "Soldier of Fortune" confirmed, saying that it has its sources in no way connected with Strelkov. Another thing is interesting that on the third day no photos or more substantial evidence appeared, except for links to their sources, but a message appeared from the Syrians describing the incident.
  2. zzdimk
    zzdimk 12 February 2018 06: 24
    +4
    Normally so inflated. Five points!
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 12 February 2018 06: 24
    +18
    Someone really wants to beat our hundreds!
    Even the fake itself is a joy to them. What follows is the expression of Lavrov!
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 12 February 2018 10: 28
      +4
      Striped ears stick out strongly. According to their training manuals (maybe ours too), the enemy’s losses are 10 times higher, their losses are underestimated 10 times. Since Girkin has personal contacts in PMCs, he could really give out info without speculation (perhaps he is afraid or warned). The situation is very similar to the defeat of the Buryat equestrian armored divisions. There is an information war, those who know know, and, as mentioned above, do not blurt out. So you can continue to share your observations with colleagues.
  4. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 12 February 2018 06: 25
    +17
    Girkin’s tongue is like a broom. After his resignation, he became a whiner. He should not know that every word of such authoritative people is watched and used for their own purposes.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 12 February 2018 07: 32
      +10
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Girkin’s tongue is like a broom.

      And he began to howl, iksperd Elmurid.
      1. Omskgasmyas
        Omskgasmyas 12 February 2018 08: 37
        +11
        They are from the same trash: Dyrkin and El-Durid
        1. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 50
          +1
          Wow ... straightforward website Peacemaker recalled. Such a friendly censure and bullying, objectionable to the emperor ... Bravo !!!
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 12 February 2018 09: 25
      +22
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Girkin’s tongue is like a broom. After his resignation, he became a whiner. He should not know that every word of such authoritative people is watched and used for their own purposes.

      A broom ... a whiner ... Can you write something more intelligible? What did Strelkov deceive you specifically? The fact that Putin did not speak?
      Here the crowd is again raging, the hero is being poured with mud, and what’s completely groundless! I still can’t understand what a terrible crime Strelkov committed so that so many slops poured on him? How all the same it is easy to make an outcast from a hero if he suddenly spoke out against the Kremlin!
      With Grudinin, by the way, the same thing happens. Pour from all buckets!
      1. SOF
        SOF 12 February 2018 09: 43
        +9
        Quote: Stas157
        With Grudinin, by the way, the same thing happens. Pour from all buckets

        lol ... it was necessary to begin with this - "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
        your little one Strelkov.
        There was a hero and the whole thing came out - it’s enough to quickly look at what he, in 2014, offended his disgraced, heaped up. So many slops poured that the Urakayans started to refer to him and .... which is very remarkable ... instead of the contemptuous "Girkin" they began to call him "Strelkov (Girkin)" - they respected him, however.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 12 February 2018 10: 00
          +8
          Quote: SOF
          what he, offended by his disgraced, from 2014 he did. So many slops poured

          So I didn’t understand what exactly did you mean?
      2. Senior manager
        Senior manager 12 February 2018 10: 31
        +4
        About Grudinin if possible in more detail. Relate examples of dirt pzhlst.
      3. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 12 February 2018 10: 49
        +4
        Did I really say that he cheated? Read more carefully. A person of his level needs to choose words more carefully so that they are not used against us and himself. And the fact that he turned into a whiner (a pessimist in another way) is already visible. The future of Russia , and Novorossia sees everything in black. Why is he saying everything? I don’t like hearing from him, an authoritative, albeit former commander of the army of New Russia
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 12 February 2018 11: 56
          +7
          And, dear, do you see our future in bright colors, tones and midtones? The big one is just around the corner if the guarantor continues to play in the liberal and make friends with the aligarhat.
          1. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 12 February 2018 12: 10
            +3
            Yes, imagine, I see! Otherwise, why live?
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 12 February 2018 14: 05
              +4
              Not without a prospect, it’s not how. I’m already wondering how I will survive when the plundered, thrice or four times, the huckster’s pension fund will be added for five years and tens of millions of people will find themselves in a very interesting position - no job, no pension.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 12 February 2018 14: 21
          +11
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          The future of Russia and Novorossia sees everything in black. What does he say everything for? I don’t like hearing from him, an authoritative, albeit former commander of the Novorossiya army

          Yes, because there is no longer any New Russia. How do you like this future: There are no other alternatives to the Minsk agreements. Can you tell me who is always telling us this? Recall what the results will be? It is written in black and white! And this document was promoted by no less authoritative people sitting in the Kremlin. ... From such optimism hands fall. Well, it must be underdeveloped in order to see optimism there.
          Nevertheless, the hero of New Russia, its first commander, has his own opinion, which does not coincide with the Kremlin, for obvious reasons. Why pour mud on a person for this ?? I am sure that if Strelkova had the same opinion as the Nightingale TV, the very same people would carry him in their arms! Cried with emotion!
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 20: 10
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            Nevertheless, the hero of New Russia, its first commander, has his own opinion, which does not coincide with the Kremlin, for obvious reasons. Why pour mud on a person for this ?? I am sure that if Strelkova had the same opinion as the Nightingale TV, the very same people would carry him in their arms! Cried with emotion!


            It is worth recalling that Strelkov left his post under not the best circumstances. Former colleagues and subordinates still remember this man as a traitor and a coward who surrendered Slavyansk. The US militia Russell Bentley, known under the pseudonym Texas, speaks very eloquently about him:

            “This traitor, the only commander of the armed forces of New Russia, who retreated. Only. His call sign should not be “Shooters”, because he didn’t shoot so much. A more suitable name for him would be “The Fugitive,” because he is the only one who escaped from Slavyansk and returned to Moscow. And so far it has been causing problems. ”

            The "problems" that Bentley talks about and that the Old Men mention are constantly arising. Igor Strelkov takes every opportunity to voice his anti-Russian position and share with the journalists “revelations” about the war in the Donbass. Based on this, it can be assumed that Strelkov is probably a participant in the information war against Russia, supplying the Ukrainian media with news feeds. Or it is corny trying to remind itself with the help of loud, but unfounded accusations. request request wassat wassat wassat
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 12 February 2018 21: 41
              +7
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              who considered him a hero ??? can tell about his heroic exploits of recent years ???

              Here, literally everything! Right on this forum. And even there were no questions - for what?
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              The US militia Russell Bentley, known under the pseudonym Texas, speaks very eloquently about him

              Who is Texas? Another daughter of an officer?
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              This traitor

              Only a very unintelligent person can consider Igor Strelkov a coward and a traitor! After all, nobody dragged him into the hell with force on the lasso ... You can be considered a coward rather those who are sitting on a warm couch like heroes and pouring mud on mud, and not those who, at the behest of their souls, went to risk their lives in the name of a lofty goal.
              1. Absurdidat
                Absurdidat 12 February 2018 22: 32
                +4
                If you don’t know who Texas is, then you don’t know who such a girkin is.
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 23: 30
                +2
                Quote: Stas157
                Who is Texas? Another daughter of an officer?

                a man who fights in the Donbass ... unlike the rifle-balabol !!! wink request wassat wassat wassat
                Quote: Stas157
                Here, literally everything! Right on this forum. And even there were no questions - for what?

                so in the end where is the list of girkin's exploits lately ??? what what
                Quote: Stas157
                Only a very unintelligent person can consider Igor Strelkov a coward and a traitor! After all, nobody dragged him by force on the lasso into the hell ...

                Yes, he wasn’t really in hell !!! recourse recourse tongue tongue tongue
        3. shoemaker
          shoemaker 12 February 2018 21: 04
          +4
          And other commanders of Novorossia will unfortunately not say anything, since they were eliminated by unknown DRGs. What reduced the idea of ​​Novorossia is the activity of Plotnitsky and his team in the LPR. Of the famous remained Strelkov, Bezler and Petrovsky (aka Gloomy). Surkov put his people in their place, and there is no way out of the Minsk agreements. Meanwhile, without legally recognizing the DPR and LPR, Russia finances the entire social network, state apparatus, pensioners and the army of unrecognized republics. How long it will be going on? Of the two reserve funds of the Russian Federation, one has already ended. Russia has already got off oil and gas dependence? Money back from state corporations and oligarchs from offshore? Has Russia Secured Financial and Food Independence? So why blaspheme those people who claim that the President of Russia is leading Russia to disaster (whose team includes Chubais, Gref, Kudrin and Serdyukov not mentioned by night). Probably in 1913, few could have suggested that Russia was 4 years later.
          1. ruslann004
            ruslann004 13 February 2018 07: 13
            +3
            "that the President of the Russian Federation is leading Russia to disaster (whose team includes Chubais, Gref, Kudrin and Serdyukov not mentioned by night"
            But you don’t have to lie, if there was his team, then we would again have the 90s. But Serdyukov generally set Medvedev.
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 17 February 2018 13: 33
              0
              And who Medvedev put and holds for ten years this “iPhone” and his team with the Serdyukov and other Nabbiulins in the supreme power ... The GDP brought A. Chubais to Crimea, he is a chicken, and his GDP is a laid egg, and the robbery of Russia continues, for cover and Rosguard created ..
      4. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        make a rogue out of a hero,

        who considered him a hero ??? recourse recourse can tell about his heroic exploits of recent years ??? what what wassat wassat wassat
      5. Nosgoth
        Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 53
        0
        If a person is objectionable to the emperor, then millions of patriotists will immediately overthrow him, and they will repaint themselves ... on the fly :-)) Yesterday - "well done", today - "scoundrel", and most importantly, everyone is so clean and white.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 13 February 2018 03: 44
          +2
          Quote: Nosgoth
          If a person is objectionable to the emperor, then millions of patriotists will immediately overthrow him, and they will repaint themselves ... on the fly :-)) Yesterday - "well done", today - "scoundrel", and most importantly, everyone is so clean and white.

          for you, maybe there was a fine fellow !! request for normal people in the Donbass, he did not become famous for anything ... he also dipped himself in the trash after the exile !! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
  5. romandostalo
    romandostalo 12 February 2018 06: 25
    +6
    Well, as usual, "OBS" - one grandmother said .....
    1. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 13 February 2018 02: 54
      0
      Other grandmothers refuted without getting up off the couch, right?
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 12 February 2018 06: 25
    +10
    Thanks to the site for stopping the rumors! hi Although, the topic needed to be expanded. But Strelkov, before sowing panic, should have thought that his unverified information would hit the remnants of his image! Declaring this, he tramples his name in the mud!
    1. midivan
      midivan 12 February 2018 06: 31
      +6
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Thanks to the site for stopping the rumors!

      Here I join! Only it would be a bit more hasty, the nerves then they do not increase every day, and so that not a day ....., at least do not include anything.
    2. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 07: 01
      +9
      to believe that these are just “rumors” can only be for personal psychological hygiene
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 12 February 2018 08: 13
      +13
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Declaring this, he tramples his name in the mud!

      He trampled his name for a long time in the waste of human life. In Donetsk, when he appears, hell will be beaten up as the last enemy, how many times he was caught on the distribution of false fakes, the mind is incomprehensible, now this body marks the FSB if Grudinin wins. whatIt will be possible to say goodbye to the FSB of Russia. hi
    4. Muvka
      Muvka 12 February 2018 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Thanks to the site for stopping the rumors! hi Although, the topic needed to be expanded. But Strelkov, before sowing panic, should have thought that his unverified information would hit the remnants of his image! Declaring this, he tramples his name in the mud!

      Here is an interesting analysis: https://cont.ws/@aleksanderzapolskis/850183
      1. Negro
        Negro 12 February 2018 13: 25
        +3
        Quote: Muvka
        https://cont.ws/@aleksanderzapolskis/850183

        Nothing interesting, the sofa expert writes. Some laughter about the 5th company number of what they are worth (Wagner doesn’t have a company, this is not an army. There are assault groups that are close in number to a reinforced company, about 200 people + reinforcement. Accordingly, they are called companies. They’re not collected into regiments, the regiment is not the level of PMC. Specifically, the 5th and second groups / companies were writing at that time).
        It could not be, kindergarten.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 12 February 2018 20: 52
          +1
          Quote: Negro
          Quote: Muvka
          https://cont.ws/@aleksanderzapolskis/850183

          Nothing interesting, the sofa expert writes. Some laughter about the 5th company number of what they are worth (Wagner doesn’t have a company, this is not an army. There are assault groups that are close in number to a reinforced company, about 200 people + reinforcement. Accordingly, they are called companies. They’re not collected into regiments, the regiment is not the level of PMC. Specifically, the 5th and second groups / companies were writing at that time).
          It could not be, kindergarten.

          In fact, companies were mentioned in the recordings of conversations from which it all began. And the shooters wrote that the 5th company was allegedly destroyed.
          1. Negro
            Negro 12 February 2018 21: 34
            0
            Quote: Muvka
            In fact, companies were mentioned in the recordings of conversations from which it all began. And the shooters wrote that the 5th company was allegedly destroyed.

            Again. The above is the Wagner organizational structure some time ago. Assault groups of 200-300 people, there they are depicted 4. L / s calls them companies. But these are not companies in the army sense; battalions are not assembled from them. There are no units above the group. The 5th company is not the 5th company of the regiment, but simply the N5 group.
            The author, by reference, meanwhile, is guessing how a regiment with 5 companies looks like and how long its column is, after which, based on these estimates, it estimates losses. Not knowing anything at all about the situation.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 12 February 2018 21: 40
              +3
              You start sewing with white thread. Imagine. There is no confirmation of your words. And your video is a fake from 2012, see below. And the Pentagon claimed 100 killed in total. Like it or not, I trust them more than your words and the words of the jaundice.
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 12 February 2018 21: 56
                +3
                Judging by that infographic, Wagner has 4 assault squads. WHY THEN SOUND 5 IN THE RECORDING !!! company? Where does the fifth come from?
              2. Negro
                Negro 12 February 2018 23: 23
                0
                Quote: Muvka
                Fantasize

                What is this about?
                Quote: Muvka
                fake from 2012, see below

                What is there to watch? That a certain Alexander Romanov does not distinguish Fox from CBS, but distinguishes Syria from Libya?
                Quote: Muvka
                And the Pentagon claimed 100 killed in total.

                And where did I write that this is not so?
                Quote: Muvka
                Judging by that infographic, Wagner has 4 assault squads. WHY THEN SOUND 5 IN THE RECORDING !!! company? Where does the fifth come from?

                What in the phrase “Wagner’s organizational structure was given some time ago” did not reach your understanding?
    5. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 12 February 2018 10: 54
      +10
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Although, the topic needed to be expanded.

      Yes please. Alignment based on available data:
      Regarding the strike of the US Air Force on the positions of pro-government forces under DeZor


      1.1. What is documented:
      - the funeral of 30 fighters of the ISIS Hunters detachment (ISIS - an organization banned in Russia - ed.);
      - a list of 40 people (including 14 children, it’s quite possible that there are 15-16 years old, you can keep a machine gun - everyone, a fighter) who died from a blow along tribal units (mainly the Baccarat or Bagggar tribe);
      - the fact of a strike by the US Air Force;
      - the shock was preceded by an exchange of calls between Khmeimim and the US headquarters in Jordan;
      - the blow was carried on the left bank of the Euphrates;
      Everything else is fiction and speculation of varying degrees of probability. 1.2. Which, it seems to me, could be (I do not exclude that I’m wrong).

      The United States must in any way disrupt the entrance of the SAA to Afrin, even if it gets to the Turks, the United States is on the “drum”. If only for CAA. SAA passes a column of Kurds in Afrin. In exchange expect some nishtyakov. There were agreements or not - x / z. With this sauce, local tribes solve their local problems in the DeZ area. I do not exclude that specific boys from the Baccarat tribe (or some other) decided against the background of the expectation of the nishtyaks to rise a little and be the first to enter the oil fields of Zaevfraty. They will have control - they will sell oil to the government, and a sickly money will suit them. War is war, but business first (business comes first) is the East.

      Most likely, this jerk was not agreed with Khmeimim (if the boys burned out from the tribe, the winners would not be judged). Apparently, they still bent the SDF in that area, and it was pretty robust. And if you recall the reports of ISIS attacks (an organization banned in Russia - ed.) On Kusham and At-Tiiybiya, then they were somewhere about three days before this strike, that is, the tribes fought for three days and advanced. CAA / Khmeimim officially did not give such an order, but did not particularly object.


      The United States got seriously excited. We called Khimki, back and forth, “let's clarify the situation” ... “we’ll call you back now” ... in short, it is very likely that the conversation went on for about two or three hours. Was there a connection with the tribes, did you manage to persuade the local commander who had already squeezed the Kurds to get away from the prey? Hardly...

      After making sure that ours were not there, but we couldn’t persuade the locals, alas, ours ceased to mind.

      1.3. What follows from this.

      Idiots who believe that PMCs (Wagner, Schubert or Tchaikovsky) run around Syria wherever and whenever they want, I want to wish to continue to be in a happy delusion. And also to those who believe that the command of the PMC assault companies has no connection with an adviser or curator from the RF Armed Forces in the area.

      Would they be there - why are they needed there at DeZora now, this is the second question - would get an order to leave. And they would have gone quickly and to the side, for order is order.

      Lovers of Girkin and Murid - you can believe them further, out, Ukrainians believe that they arrived from Venus ... nothing ..

      And the last - something needs to be done with the Kurds. I understand that the collapse from the inside is a long work and I hope that it is being done.
      Source: Global Adventure
      Link: http://www.iarex.ru/articles/55603.html

      Just logic. And then here for several days (and today already) either hohloboty appear, or "friends of acquaintances whose classmates only from there are without arms, without legs, without a head," yeah. The case where both stupidity and betrayal in one bottle.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 12 February 2018 15: 04
        +4
        For those who are especially literate, I repeat: Strelkov / Girkin does not have accounts on social networks and a site, like any one on a subscription. There is participation in writing sites, within the scope of writing. From all "analysts" on his behalf disowned in 2016

        Therefore, ALL information on behalf of Strelkov / Girkin deliberately pursues goals hostile to our country.
        I personally noticed 5 different styles. Tse negroes who do not even know who they work for.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 20: 13
        +2
        Quote: Paranoid50
        1.1. What is documented:

        and who sent these documents ??? what what laughing laughing laughing
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 14 February 2018 15: 54
          0
          Documents received and confirmed by the consular service. As it should be.
  7. vonWolfenstein
    vonWolfenstein 12 February 2018 06: 28
    +5
    Where is the pride of Svidomo media? How is it, to take information from the "separatist" and the heap of Ukraine?
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  9. MadCat
    MadCat 12 February 2018 06: 37
    +10
    when I read his tape on VK, maybe there weren’t any, now they are already leaning on maybe a circus with horses. But maybe they put pressure on Girkin so that maybe he added. But I trust his opinion and agree with him in many ways.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 12 February 2018 19: 07
      +6
      I also trust Strelkov. And the most important thing in this story is that neither Assad nor our Defense Ministry have provided any reliable facts to refute his opinion and a few more people. But it's so simple --- to provide iron facts indicating that the losses were from the side of the Syrians. No secrecy would have suffered from this (the Americans and their local wards are already quite aware). And Strelkov would have been exposed, but there’s nothing to be mentioned. But he really knows many fighters fighting now in Syria.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        did not provide any reliable facts disproving him and several other people the opinion

        and you are in the courses that according to this technique of yours Ganapol hangs out in lingerie !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 12 February 2018 20: 16
          +1
          ________________________And who is it?
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 20: 44
            0
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            ________________________And who is it?

            Anatoly Shary told and showed how Ganapolsky "works with sources on the Internet."
            The bottom line is that the ex-Russian journalist made a statement based on fake information, moreover, he issued the January stuffing for today's news. When he was told on the air that he was wrong to say the least, Ganapolsky was not at all at a loss and said that if any news is duplicated by many sources, and the main character does not refute it during the day, then the news is true and there is nothing to challenge it.
            Based on this, Anatoly Shary made an official statement: “Matvey Ganapolsky walks in lingerie,” and gave Ganapolsky a day to refute. “If he does not give a refutation, then Ganapolsky really walks in his underwear,” Shariy summed up.
            Matvey Yurievich Ganapolsky (by birth - Margolis, Ganapolsky - the name of his wife) was born on December 14, 1953 in Lviv - formerly the host of Echo of Moscow, the Georgian television channel PIK, the Crimean Tatar television channel ATR, the Ukrainian Radio Vesti, the columnist MK, Member of the Presidium of the Russian Jewish Congress.

            https://www.ridus.ru/news/186015

            your "methodology" exactly matches the area highlighted in the test !! wink laughing laughing laughing
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 12 February 2018 20: 58
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              your "methodology" exactly matches the area highlighted in the test !!

              It’s just that way in information wars. If a blow is struck on one side, then they reflect it (by publishing reliable information about the event and thereby exposing the enemy). Who can you not say such Shari --- now I'll go and see.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 21: 04
                0
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                It’s just that way in information wars.

                Nope !!! it’s just someone imposed such an interpretation on you !!! request wink wassat wassat
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                Who is Shary, you can not talk --- now I’ll go see for myself.

                look, he has a lot of interesting material ... though, mostly about hohland ... there’s a bit about Russia too !!
                1. Nosgoth
                  Nosgoth 13 February 2018 03: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  Nope !!! it’s just someone imposed such an interpretation on you !!!


                  In my opinion, you are imposing your own interpretation on everyone here.
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 13 February 2018 03: 46
                    0
                    Quote: Nosgoth
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    Nope !!! it’s just someone imposed such an interpretation on you !!!


                    In my opinion, you are imposing your own interpretation on everyone here.

                    Nooooo ... not everyone ... judging by your sudden crawl out and riveting comments, it’s you who’s on the security !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
  10. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 12 February 2018 06: 38
    +4
    that the information may be misinformation, but he "is 100% sure of it."
    Everything immediately became clear! And so you need to check this info, and then the numbers are some horrible
    1. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 12 February 2018 07: 38
      +3
      Klitschko immediately remembered laughing
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 February 2018 06: 40
    +12
    the information may be misinformation, but he "is 100% sure of it"
    Strange - maybe desa, but 100% sure. Girkin has said so much over the past couple of years that there is absolutely no faith in his “confidence”. But what is playing along with the Ukrainian media is 100%.
  12. Mikhail Anokhin_2
    Mikhail Anokhin_2 12 February 2018 06: 42
    +3
    That is why it is so important to have your own information center in PMCs! Or at least the Russian Ministry of Defense mumbled something on this subject.
    There must be an authoritative source. And so, how do regular Internet regulars know?
    So the "informational com" is growing.
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  14. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 12 February 2018 06: 51
    +3
    And who is Girkin? Does he work at the General Staff? Where did he get this information? And what can he even know about ours in Syria? Deza all this lohlyatskaya! laughing
  15. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 06: 55
    +10
    But what about publications in foreign media? "CBS, citing sources in the US Department of Defense, reported that" Russian mercenaries "suffered as a result of US air strikes on the day before a US air strike against forces fighting on the side of Damascus in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor." In my opinion, the Washington Post published information referring to the US Department of Defense.
    "Military Review conducted its own verification of the disseminated information and established that in fact the information has a possible fake subtext" the keyword is possible, but it does not know whether it was or was not. It’s hard to say about Girkin where he got the info from, either he had fake information or he really got information from his friends from Wagner PMC, he still had acquaintances with many militias in the Donbass anyway. There are 50 to 50. Well, as for official sources, what should be? Do you think the media of our government will miss such information, given what censorship we have, before Donbass was constantly shown and then again and there is no more Donbass on federal channels.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 12 February 2018 07: 09
      +7
      So you fell into the network of information war, which no one has canceled, and which will end, on the day of the death of mankind!
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 07: 14
        +10
        Quote: Herkulesich
        So you fell into the network of information war, which no one has canceled, and which will end, on the day of the death of mankind!


        Anything is possible, but I wouldn’t exclude anything. Of course, I would like to believe the official lines of the Ministry of Defense, but given the recent events and how the information gets into the media, there is really no faith. We still do not have photos / videos in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry will not even move, remember how they fired at our air base with mortars? And how did the information arrive? From the sources in the merchant, and while this media did not pass through all the media, ours did not even think about mentioning it, and so on.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 12 February 2018 07: 42
          +6
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          Remember how they fired at our air base with mortars? And how did the information arrive? From the sources in the merchant, and while this media did not pass through all the media, ours did not even think about mentioning it, and so on.

          Damn, honestly guys .....
          If a crime has occurred and the investigators are on the heels ..... are they supposed to blow it?
          Ours worked and then these "mortar bombers" were covered ...... they worked and aircraft models were covered.
          No one is obligated to you, to us, to report to me first of all.
          The journalist who climbed to the scene of the disaster, generally a little ogreb, a lover of fried .... you can not lose dignity.
          PS.
          If there were hundreds of victims, then compassionate "friends" of the family would have been noted on social networks.
          So it's 99.99% fake.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 07: 53
            +2
            Quote: Scoun

            Damn, honestly guys .....
            If a crime has occurred and the investigators are on the heels ..... are they supposed to blow it?
            Ours worked and then these "mortar bombers" were covered ...... they worked and aircraft models were covered.
            No one is obligated to you, to us, to report to me first of all.
            The journalist who climbed to the scene of the disaster, generally a little ogreb, a lover of fried .... you can not lose dignity.
            PS.
            If there were hundreds of victims, then compassionate "friends" of the family would have been noted on social networks.
            So it's 99.99% fake.


            Here the only question is how the information arrives, but it arrives when it is very difficult to hide something and you have to give comments. And the law, as you correctly put it, "No one is obligated to you, to me, to report to me first." on the side of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Well, as for Wagner, it’s not a fact, the most interesting thing is when all the heroes took Palmira so well done, but as there are no losses, there are no losses (c) in the war, it is still unknown what real losses there are among PMCs and among the RF Armed Forces for the entire Syrian company (hello to the law on classified losses). Well, one should not forget about the mercenary article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and until the legislation is finalized in this area, PMCs that work in our interests do not shine better, especially in individuals.
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 12 February 2018 08: 56
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          Quote: Herkulesich
          So you fell into the network of information war, which no one has canceled, and which will end, on the day of the death of mankind!


          Anything is possible, but I wouldn’t exclude anything. Of course, I would like to believe the official lines of the Ministry of Defense, but given the recent events and how the information gets into the media, there is really no faith. We still do not have photos / videos in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry will not even move, remember how they fired at our air base with mortars? And how did the information arrive? From the sources in the merchant, and while this media did not pass through all the media, ours did not even think about mentioning it, and so on.

          Here's an analysis - https://cont.ws/@aleksanderzapolskis/850183
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 09: 17
            +2
            Quote: Muvka

            Here's an analysis - https://cont.ws/@aleksanderzapolskis/850183


            Thanks for the link, interesting analysis. But there, the author also comes to the conclusion that the incident had a place to be, only with the number of those killed that Girkin posted, of course, the search is obvious.

            ".... In addition to the SAA servicemen themselves, the Iranian Fatimiun Brigades and representatives of the Russian PMC took part in the attack. Fierce debate broke out over the latter as to exactly how many Russians were killed. Some call numbers (from 15 to 50 only those killed ), others measure “Kamaz.” According to the leader of the pro-Syrian group “Liva al-Iman” Zayn al-Abadin, fighters of many formations, for example: “National Defense Forces”, “Local Self-Defense Forces” and “Bakr” group, fell under the US air strike , as well as a large number of fighters of the ISIS Hunter division.

            The death of the ISIS Hunter fighters may serve as indirect evidence that the Russians from the Wagner PMC took part in the attack, for which the detachment is both a base and cover. "

            Here everything is in its place. And in scale, and in character, and in essence. Moreover, the fact is confirmed by a statement by the command of the American forces, the Syrian press service, and numerous statements by commanders who came under attack from the units.

            What remains in the dry residue? The incident really had a place to be. The United States is trying to prevent the squeezing of Kurdish troops from the strategically (and economically) important oil-bearing regions of Syria during the "race for the title of winner of ISIS". That's just the meaning, essence and scale of what happened is completely different. Including in terms of the amount of losses, the number of which is only about a hundred people. This, of course, is also bad, but here you really have to understand that there is a war going on, losses on it are inevitable. That's just about any global defeat of "our boys" speech is not even close. "
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 12 February 2018 20: 56
              0
              I do not deny that ours could have died there. I do not believe that hundreds died there.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 07: 45
      +22
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      But what about publications in foreign media? "CBS Channel, citing sources in the US Department of Defense, said that as a result of an airstrike on the eve of the United States

      100 years I did not write anything, but now I will unsubscribe. What kind of publication in the ass goat ?? These are from the super truthful source of CBS. Here they posted a video about the alleged destruction of our military. One problem, video from April 29 to 2012 of the year. Libya. Here is a photo of Ukrainians walking from Ukrainians, Here on the landscape of the planet Mars, their own burnt equipment is superimposed. . As for the sources of the Pentagon to which you refer, we read what they say officially, and not who the fuck. I, too, can refer to a source in the Kremlin and carry any blizzard. 2000 American soldiers destroyed in Raqqa. Refute 2012 bullshit of the year from CBS / And a picture from Ukrainians
      And this is Mars from NASA Saita
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 08: 10
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        I haven’t written anything for 100 years, but now I’ll write it off. What kind of publication in the ass of a goat ?? These are from the super truthful source of CBS. So they posted a video about the alleged destruction of our military. One problem, video dated April 29, 2012. Livia. Here is a photo of Ukrainians walking from the Ukrainians, Here on the landscape of the planet Mars, their own burnt equipment is superimposed. . As for the sources of the Pentagon to which you refer, we read what they say officially, and not who the fuck. I, too, can refer to a source in the Kremlin and carry any snowstorm. In Raqqah, 2000 American soldiers were destroyed. Refute ...


        Of course, you excuse me, but "Refute" why I owe you something? About fakes is a separate conversation, our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has also noticed this, about fakes with screenshots from a computer game, recall? Well, the fact that the American channels are not known for this news, but since they had information from the US Department of Defense, it means someone gave them such a comment. And the fact that you have attached the video and the screen, do you think the US Department of Defense fitted it to the American channels, or is it the initiative of the channels with a beautiful picture?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 30
          +11
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          but since they had information from the US Department of Defense, it means someone gave them such a comment.

          Here is information from the Pentagon. The US-led international coalition notified the Russian military in advance of an attack on pro-government forces in Syria. This was stated at a briefing by Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White.
          According to her, during the week the coalition observed a slow buildup of forces supporting the regime.

          “Coalition officials warned Russian officials of the presence of SDF forces through conflict prevention channels before the attack. These channels have completed their task, ”White said.
          https://russian.rt.com/world/news/478575-pentagon
          -rossiya-udar-siriya
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          why do i owe you something?

          Wordless
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 08: 37
            +1
            US forces alerted the Russian side during a strike near the village of Hashsham in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor, during which mercenaries of the Russian private military company Wagner were killed

            This was stated by the head of the Pentagon, James Mattis, quotes his words TASS.

            "The Russians told us that from the very beginning their forces were not there. I think it is, but we don’t have full clarity about what the regime’s forces are doing there. But at least now it’s calm." - he said.

            Mattis added that lines of communication designed to prevent various incidents between the Russian and American armed forces in Syria are "constantly used."

            "We inform each other. The Russians said that they didn’t know anything when we called them about the forces that crossed (the dividing line. - Ed.) And approached," the US Secretary of Defense said.

            “They (the Russian side. - Ed.) Were notified when the shelling started. Then we were informed that there were no Russians. And, as you know, we are doing our best to not endanger the Russians. You saw that the pro-government forces, for some reason, apparently without informing the Russians, without coordination with anyone, crossed the river and attacked us, "concluded Mattis.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 48
              +4
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              US forces alerted the Russian side during a strike near the village of Hashsham in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor, during which mercenaries of the Russian private military company Wagner were killed

              Where is it written that ours died ?? Where???????????????
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 08: 50
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov

                Where is it written that ours died ?? Where???????????????


                There is no such comment in the official comment.

                PS There was a note of the editorial staff, journalists themselves apparently added)
          2. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 08: 48
            +1
            Alexander Romanov, the official comments made by Pentagon officials relate to informing our military about the attack in Deir ez-Zor, but the point is different, namely the forces that crossed the demarcation line, were there only pro-government forces or were there still our PMCs hit, that’s the question. Yesterday, on the net, I listened to the recording “Those who survived from Wagner PMC shared their impressions,” is this a fake or not a fake, and one can only guess if it really was or wasn’t.
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 12 February 2018 08: 33
        +6
        [quote = Alexander romanov] [quote = Aleksandr21] But what about publications in foreign media? "CBS Channel, citing sources in the US Department of Defense, said that as a result of an airstrike on the eve of the United States [/ quote]
        I haven’t written anything for 100 years, but now I’ll write it off. What kind of publication in the ass of a goat ?? Zdarova Sanya drinks hi Lost soul laughing Your business trip dragged on for a long time. What do you want by March 18 to destroy the entire army of the Russian Federation? One is not weak to throw a photo of the rout of OWN group in the Izvarinsky cauldron in 2014, it is shameless for other hamsters to open their mouth and drool, to throw further, All weekend from these "truth-cutters" hamsters suffered. laughing drinks
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 55
          +10
          Quote: vovanpain
          Lost soul

          Hi Vladimir drinks 100 drops for your health with Karish on Saturday. The latest info from Girkin 644 is only the killed Wagnerite. The number of wounded went to thousands.
          And by the way, Girkin himself was killed as a result of this blow, but then he resurrected and raced
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 12 February 2018 09: 26
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            100 drops for your health with Karish on Saturday.

            This is Alexander holy, I’ll have to drop 200 drops for yours with Karish. soldier
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And by the way, Girkin himself was killed as a result of this blow, but then he resurrected and raced

            And he is not the first magician and wizard damn yes He was already killed at the Donetsk airport in 2015 when he put 5000 militias on paper. drinks drinks Do not be lost. drinks
      3. Negro
        Negro 13 February 2018 07: 11
        +2
        Alexander Romanov

        Why are you writing this to me in PM?
        Why should I be looking for something for you? Post a link to CBS, post a link to the same video dated earlier than February 7, then we'll talk.
    3. serg999
      serg999 12 February 2018 14: 15
      +1
      Well, tell us in more detail about what terrible "censorship" we have? Well, to me, purely neighing ....
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 12 February 2018 18: 03
        +3
        Quote: serg999
        Well, tell us in more detail about what terrible "censorship" we have? Well, to me, purely neighing ....


        Remember the events of 2014, how actively the population was pumping with the idea of ​​restoring the Russian world, how Crimea returned home and many were sure that Donbass would follow the same path. And as the topic of the APU attack on the Donbass was later covered, all federal channels, all Internet publications controlled by the government closely monitored this topic, and when the Minsk agreements appeared, the Donbass topic almost completely disappeared from the agenda, although there were very sharp shelling and there were very sharp exacerbations This topic on federal channels has become not interesting. Here's an example of censorship.
  16. stargigant
    stargigant 12 February 2018 06: 55
    +1
    In addition to Ukrainians, the Americans confirmed. From the information from the cart program: the front-end and Directorate 4 which directly infa comes from the battle. fake or not. But sooner or later, everything will become clear.
  17. Mwg
    Mwg 12 February 2018 06: 57
    +1
    "The reports of losses during the defeat of the Wagner combat group come in a variety of ways. But there is one tendency - they are constantly changing in the direction of increase. At the moment, it is clear that there are actually hundreds of dead and wounded. Several hundred." - it seems that the Wagner group is not a group at all, but, at least (according to Girkin-Strelkov), a battalion.
  18. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 12 February 2018 06: 58
    +4
    mattresses killed 200 musicians on the east bank - but nonetheless "partners"

    in so
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  20. eugraphus
    eugraphus 12 February 2018 07: 01
    +1
    So the situation in the information field. Firstly, there are very few of our journalists in Syria, they cover freely, only humanitarian issues. Much has not yet come to tell. And about such things as private military companies, which we do not have under the law, all the more so.
    There are practically no Russian correspondents in Ukraine, the news comes from the re-shooting of Ukrainian reports from their news channels. Therefore, everything is used and a repost of fakes, and a discussion of all sorts of ideas in the sick heads of the broad non-warriors, their grandiose plans, their sweet dreams. All this, in fact, is not news, but on the Internet and on the TV show there are excellent topics for discussion, brilliance of eloquence. Meal'n'Real!
  21. eaz
    eaz 12 February 2018 07: 07
    +6
    hit was a 200th a lot. mine are there in another company
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 12 February 2018 08: 36
      +7
      Quote: eaz
      hit was a 200th a lot. mine are there in another company

      Crimean woman?
      Mine in another, the blow was mine were near 40 km.


      Why am I worse? wassat
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  22. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 February 2018 07: 10
    +6
    The refutation goes to all resources and bloggers just with army discipline ....
    1. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 07: 40
      +4
      so after all
    2. Burbon
      Burbon 12 February 2018 08: 35
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The refutation goes to all resources and bloggers just with army discipline ....

      and that says counter-propaganda? !! ... that explains a lot
  23. Black joe
    Black joe 12 February 2018 07: 11
    0
    And where did they come from, hundreds?
    Do we have so many good luck soldiers now?
    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 13
      +2
      Yes. guys stop the plague. beardobarmaleysky
      1. Black joe
        Black joe 12 February 2018 07: 15
        0
        It's good
        Amount struck
    2. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 15
      +2
      after the wounds are restored. and again they go. those who are younger. someone has already moved out. they buried someone.
      1. Black joe
        Black joe 12 February 2018 07: 17
        +1
        God grant everyone to return home
    3. Burbon
      Burbon 12 February 2018 08: 36
      0
      Quote: Black Joe
      And where did they come from, hundreds?

      laughing ... there are a couple of thousand ..... No.
  24. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 12 February 2018 07: 16
    +2
    In assessing such information, the interests of the parties involved must be taken into account in the future. Why put PMCs on the likely site of an Israeli strike if we are not interested in waging war with it? Why should Israel go into direct control with Russia if it had previously reasonably avoided such exacerbations? If we assume that ours were stuck in this hornet’s nest, why didn’t this region be covered by more modern air defense systems? It is clear that our Defense Ministry will not be accountable for PMCs, and the official press is not very inclined to whistle about our PMCs. So we will receive information along with a teaspoonful desa.
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      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 12 February 2018 07: 47
        +1
        A fair remark, in the morning bustle I did not carefully read the news. Israel beguiled with the Amer coalition. But the essence remains the same. Just instead of Israel, you can read the United States.
      2. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 12 February 2018 07: 58
        +1
        If the info about PMC losses is correct, then someone will scoop up for negligence. This could not do without betrayal. In this case, the “coalition” will receive an asymmetric response that they will not like. In place of Moscow Region, I would have been working on an otvetka, but without the participation of the Syrians, otherwise they would surrender how hello.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 12 February 2018 08: 16
          +1
          If the info about PMC losses is correct, then someone will scoop up for negligence. This could not do without betrayal. In this case, the “coalition” will receive an asymmetric response that they will not like. In place of Moscow Region, I would have been working on an otvetka, but without the participation of the Syrians, otherwise they would surrender how hello.

          Shut up 100%
          1. Alex-a832
            Alex-a832 12 February 2018 08: 59
            +2
            Rake in quiet. Someone "with honor" will be sent a soft kick to retirement or "to raise virgin soil" in some high-frequency near Zadrischenskoye. This happens regularly. And here the reason is extremely serious.
        2. Nix1986
          Nix1986 12 February 2018 08: 38
          +5
          Nobody will grab anything, the topic has already been completely silenced, and if so, it has already been decided not to escalate this issue. There are several reasons, firstly PMCs, it was not the army that suffered, and therefore there should be no state reaction, secondly PMCs are not officially allowed in our country, and thirdly, they understand that the situation has escalated taking into account the current world situation with respect to Russia will lead to grave consequences for us.
          1. eaz
            eaz 12 February 2018 14: 04
            0
            fierce fuss is planned it seems
            1. Nix1986
              Nix1986 12 February 2018 14: 19
              +2
              nothing will happen, just the next time they will know that it’s not worth taking those who are left with the United States for a fee.
  25. Alexander War
    Alexander War 12 February 2018 07: 19
    +10
    Infa went from the states
    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 37
      +4
      to the words of Sladkov add nothing
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 12 February 2018 07: 49
        +3
        I also agree with Sladkov, especially since all major states have PMCs, here are the Germans and Iraq http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3830439.html
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 07: 58
        +4
        Quote: eaz
        to the words of Sladkov add nothing

        And you can screen from the page Sladkova, here with this text. I really want to see.
        1. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 08: 28
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And you can screen from the page Sladkova, here with this text. I really want to see.

          I’ll drop you the twitter link of those who are in the know. There you will find confirmation of the death of Russians in Syria. https://twitter.com/bnr_war_2014
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 58
            +8
            Quote: Viktor.12.71
            I’ll drop you the twitter link of those who are in the know. There you will find confirmation of the death of Russians in Syria. https://twitter.com/bnr_war_2014

            Nooo, I don’t need on Twitter, where anyone can post any picture. I want it from Sladkov’s page. But I’m a meticulous bastard, I want to see the original of what Sladkov wrote in reality, and not to hell with anyone under his name.
        2. Burbon
          Burbon 12 February 2018 08: 41
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And you can screen from the page Sladkova, here with this text.

          can ... Yandex help
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 59
            +8
            Quote: Burbon
            can ... Yandex help

            Google won't even help you
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 12 February 2018 09: 06
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Google won't even help you

              not for you, but for you ... clearly Sasha? and not boorish - and you’ll not be boorish .... 200 cargo from Syria goes all the time and this is the Cheka .... and go propaganda go under the wing of the Kremlin and a hedgehog with them .....
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 09: 10
                +6
                Quote: Burbon
                200 cargo from Syria goes constantly and this is the Cheka

                You yourself. As 200 cargo from Point. By the way, do not forget to bark your horse. You will have a wife
                1. Burbon
                  Burbon 12 February 2018 09: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You yourself. As 200 cargo from Point. By the way, do not forget to bark your horse. You will have a wife

                  why are you exposing your betrothed here for all to see? .... do you think we will envy you? ..... if you are a troll fan, then this is one thing, but if you are just from a burning love for the power of thieves, then I feel sorry for you
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 12 February 2018 08: 43
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: eaz
          to the words of Sladkov add nothing

          And you can screen from the page Sladkova, here with this text. I really want to see.

          And it doesn’t matter to them that Sladkov could write this when the terrorists took our two prisoners and the Moscow Region “checked” the information and they don’t remember that the “compassionate family friends” immediately suffered information on the network .... probably there are hundreds of likes! But the compassionate is not visible.
          They will take someone’s phrase in isolation from the context and let's spam, the truth-seekers are figs.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 09: 00
            +7
            Quote: Scoun
            They will take someone’s phrase in isolation from the context and let's spam, the truth-seekers are figs.

            The level of commentators struck another DNO. I thought below nowhere
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              1. sogdy
                sogdy 12 February 2018 15: 30
                0
                The boy, there is a Charter, there are Orders of the Ministry of Defense on the procedure for disseminating information, since Gromyko the order has not changed.
                Do not you understand that from the point of view of the military you are talking nonsense?
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 12 February 2018 11: 30
        0
        Quote: eaz
        to the words of Sladkov add nothing

        In addition to amending the law!
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    2. Peter Tsar
      Peter Tsar 12 February 2018 11: 43
      +6
      I consider it a fake. There have been no posts on Sladkov’s page since the 17th year.
  26. nemec55
    nemec55 12 February 2018 07: 21
    +1
    Wagner

    From the 1st grade, Soviet teachers hammered everyone. GERMAN Surnames DO NOT BEND. Letter A hurts the eye at the end of the German surname
    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 24
      0
      Why are you doing this ??? Example: Hitler troops
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 12 February 2018 07: 35
        0
        why are you doing this ???

        Is it not clear what is written?
        1. eaz
          eaz 12 February 2018 07: 38
          0
          Well, you read an example?
          1. nemec55
            nemec55 12 February 2018 07: 43
            0
            Well, you read an example?

            German Surnames are not troops and SURNAMES are not inclined
            look at the screen above posted by Sladkov as written by Wagner
            1. eaz
              eaz 12 February 2018 07: 45
              0
              damn. bunker hitler chtoli ??
              1. eaz
                eaz 12 February 2018 07: 46
                0
                hitler's bunker wagner company. now what
                1. nemec55
                  nemec55 12 February 2018 07: 53
                  0
                  No, I'm specifically about PMC WAGNER and not WAGNER
                  1. eaz
                    eaz 12 February 2018 08: 08
                    0
                    finally I understand you. ie fighters PMC Wagner?
                    1. nemec55
                      nemec55 12 February 2018 08: 11
                      0
                      Yes, it’s absolutely true (I do not exclude that I am not right under the new spelling rules), but I am an ethnic German with a German surname and I was taught in Soviet times to write like this
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    2. Urs
      Urs 12 February 2018 14: 39
      0
      This is not a surname, but in common people "klikon" or call sign as you like.
      Over time, sometimes your name is understood only by those closest and more and more by callsign request
    3. sogdy
      sogdy 12 February 2018 15: 32
      0
      Do not lean in the feminine. Read the textbook, ### !!!
    4. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 13 February 2018 08: 58
      +1
      Quote: nemec55
      From the 1st grade, Soviet teachers hammered everyone. GERMAN Surnames DO NOT BEND. Letter A hurts the eye at the end of the German surname

      Quote: nemec55
      From the 1st grade, Soviet teachers hammered everyone. GERMAN Surnames DO NOT BEND. Letter A hurts the eye at the end of the German surname

      request
      I personally was not hammered, so the Bach symphoniesаHaydnа or mozartа... sound normal to me ...
  27. Nix1986
    Nix1986 12 February 2018 07: 23
    +4
    And which sources in this case are considered official? MO, since PMCs are not its structure and it does not matter to him, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - everything is even worse here, officially PMCs in our country cannot be and recognition of the opposite is a fiasco, despite the existence of a Wagner, sbs groups and others - they were denied by puzans from the State Duma existence, or they were called chop. The group of mercenaries in VK confirmed the fact of large losses https://m.vk.com/soldiers_of_fortune. So it remains to wait extra. Old.
    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 28
      +3
      totally agree with you
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 February 2018 09: 56
      +4
      I agree too. Since we do not officially have PMCs, any news about them can be declared fake - what is the article then, it’s not clear
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    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 30
      +1
      I heard that about 180-190. There is no way to check.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 01
        +11
        Quote: eaz
        I heard that about 180-190.

        2500 dead, more than 7000 wounded. I congratulate you, now you have heard new numbers and you can safely write on any site - I heard that the loss of 2500 dead and 7000 wounded.

        Although judging by the comments of many commentators, there are not a few wounded in the head here.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 12 February 2018 08: 08
          +5
          [quoteAlthough judging by the comments of many commentators, there are not a few wounded in the head. And they didn’t seem to be at war] [/ quote]
          You know, Alexander, you know there is no smoke without fire, as a proof, we all were shown a screen from Sladkov, and yet they would not have betrayed Strelkov, but you can trust him, especially since such people have 100% more information because these people are tied together like all the others in their professions
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 35
            +11
            Quote: nemec55
            We were all shown the screen above from Sladkova d

            Once again I ask, go to Sladkov’s page and take a screen of what he wrote. Together we will see, discuss.
            Quote: nemec55
            no matter how they cheated Strelkova

            Girkin is a man who has long struck the bottom and already by this time, judging by his statements and publications .... Far from one thousand Wagner troops, special forces and paratroopers.
            1. nemec55
              nemec55 12 February 2018 09: 20
              +4
              Once again I ask, go to Sladkov’s page and take a screen of what he wrote. Together we will see, discuss.

              Not found , hi
              I need it like that angry get on
        2. eaz
          eaz 12 February 2018 08: 10
          0
          Why did you freak out Sasha?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 February 2018 08: 43
            +9
            Quote: eaz
            Why did you freak out Sasha?

            I'm not freaking out. This is a normal reaction to fake text. Give a direct link to Sladkov’s page with this text. I may have been looking badly. This picture has been walking on the Internet for three days
            Quote: eaz
            and the losses shock me too. end March everything will be known firsthand

            Now, someone is bothering someone. I rummaged through the entire Internet. Strelkov has already finished writing or has finished that the number in 600 of the killed Wagnerites is pounding. In the modern world there are things that cannot be hidden. Including the funeral of Wagnerites in Russia. This swoops on the internet from relatives and friends. Therefore, the words "I swear by my mother everything was like that" are not fooled.
            1. Alexander War
              Alexander War 12 February 2018 08: 56
              +4
              Here Alexander Romanov is right that even such Fontanka was blowing not even 600 but 100 or 200 killed Wagnerites
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            3. Burbon
              Burbon 12 February 2018 09: 09
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I'm not freaking out. This is a normal reaction to fake tex

              fake here only Sasha Romanova posts .....
        3. eaz
          eaz 12 February 2018 08: 13
          +2
          Sorry, but it just so happened that they fought. that's why I say that MY is there.
          1. eaz
            eaz 12 February 2018 08: 14
            +2
            and the losses shock me too. end March everything will be known firsthand
            1. Alexander War
              Alexander War 12 February 2018 08: 31
              +1
              The losses are shocking, as if a crowd of 120 people were going one after another
              1. eaz
                eaz 12 February 2018 08: 34
                +2
                in addition to point strikes, there are also carpet ...
                1. Alexander War
                  Alexander War 12 February 2018 08: 40
                  0
                  There are generally a lot of misunderstandings, then artillery and mortars, then turntables and the AC-130 Specter. According to the technique on which PMC Wagner moved too, three tanks and several BRDM
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                  2. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 12 February 2018 09: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander War
                    There are generally a lot of misunderstandings, then artillery and mortars, then turntables and the AC-130 Specter. According to the technique on which PMC Wagner moved too, three tanks and several BRDM

                    first art, then from the air finished off. I admit big losses, because they were traveling in an open area with a column, even without a man-portable air defense system, because no one expected the Yankees to hit
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 12 February 2018 10: 09
                      +3
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      first art, then from the air finished off. I admit big losses, because they were traveling in an open area with a column, even without a man-portable air defense system, because no one expected the Yankees to hit



                      Well, yes. We hoped for a fun camping trip with folding and squeezing a gas station from the Kurds ... who knew that this was a war and shoot at a war ...
                    2. Alexander War
                      Alexander War 12 February 2018 10: 27
                      +1
                      What kind of commander was such that they rode in a convoy? Especially where the Yankees and their equipment, PMCs Wagner, could receive via commercial satellites
                  3. tomket
                    tomket 12 February 2018 10: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander War
                    According to the technique on which PMC Wagner moved too, three tanks and several BRDM

                    And what, 200 people on three tanks and BRDM fit?
                    1. Alexander War
                      Alexander War 12 February 2018 10: 52
                      0
                      I say no understanding!
        4. Burbon
          Burbon 12 February 2018 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Although judging by the comments of many commentators, there are not a few wounded in the head here.

          you started a record about a fake about PMCs ...... and you yourself have this fake, since you can’t refute it, but pour water .... and completely without evidence .... what’s it called? - right propaganda!
          1. Alexander War
            Alexander War 12 February 2018 08: 51
            +2
            Military Review conducted its own verification of the information disseminated and established that in fact the information has a possible fake subtext and is not based on accurate confirmations by anyone directly related to the Wagnerites. Quote possible fake subtext!
            1. Nix1986
              Nix1986 12 February 2018 09: 09
              +1
              There will be no official information from any source, so it only remains to watch the information in your opinion. According to the comments of a number of people, I would also strongly doubt it, but there was confirmation from many groups of mercenaries in different social networks, these pages are not fake, they arose long ago. Therefore, here everyone only with his own opinion, believe them or not.
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            1. eaz
              eaz 12 February 2018 09: 37
              +1
              Sanya, what are you really ??? They killed ours
    2. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 07: 41
      +5
      mattresses - "partners"
      and wagner - ichtamnet
  29. bane's jacket
    bane's jacket 12 February 2018 07: 36
    +3
    Quote: Alexander War
    Igor Gunmen
    Feb 10 at 22:28
    Actions
    For losses in Syria.

    Messages about losses during the defeat of the battle group "Wagner" come in very different. But there is one tendency - they are constantly changing upward.

    Mettis, stated that there are no losses from Russia in this blow. The coalition warned the Russian side in advance and I can’t even imagine how much it is necessary not to be friends with one’s head in order to send PMCs there. So, I strongly doubt the losses of the Wagnerites.
    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 07: 40
      +2
      I’m not going to prove anything. I will repeat MY THERE. but information for obvious reasons is very small. but it is.
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors 12 February 2018 08: 38
        +4
        Ez. And mine too. And they also write about the losses
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          1. nemec55
            nemec55 12 February 2018 09: 44
            0
            in Krasnodar on bags from yesterday pack ... it hurts

            The case when you want a person to be wrong
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                1. nemec55
                  nemec55 12 February 2018 16: 17
                  0
                  if you scratch a little under the skull’s box, then you’ll understand everything, Mr. Biohazard, a German

                  What do I have to do with it? I repeat
                  THIS IS THE CASE WHEN YOU WANT THAT A PERSON (in this case YOU) WAS NOT RIGHT (MISTAKED)
          3. Urs
            Urs 12 February 2018 14: 47
            +1
            Well, this is not very so.
            Everyone arrives in Rostov and not in bags and sends them to relatives as expected in zinc.
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 12 February 2018 08: 29
      0
      God grant that it would be so
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 12 February 2018 09: 36
        0
        God grant that it would be so

        I mean it

        Mettis, stated that there are no losses from Russia in this blow. The coalition warned the Russian side in advance and I can’t even imagine how much it is necessary not to be friends with one’s head in order to send PMCs there. So, I strongly doubt the losses of the Wagnerites.
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  31. milling machine
    milling machine 12 February 2018 07: 59
    +1
    In fairness, the rumors did not appear from scratch, because the Americans on that day someone outfitted. Even on the news they said that, they say, the coalition dealt a blow to the pro-Assad forces.
  32. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 February 2018 08: 06
    +9
    Stupid discussion. None have evidence for or against. But everyone accepted a certain point of view. Let's just say that I’m not inclined to trust the Russian Defense Ministry, if only because of the death of the pilot Filipov, we all learned from social networks, and only after a day the Defense Ministry stirred.
    We will wait for evidence.
    1. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 08: 16
      +1
      But what about the Russian PMC ??????
      1. eaz
        eaz 12 February 2018 08: 18
        +1
        read Sladkov one more time
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 February 2018 10: 01
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Let's just say that Russian MO is not inclined to trust

      our VO denies the presence of PMCs there, therefore, nothing will be confirmed regarding this topic hi
  33. pvv113
    pvv113 12 February 2018 08: 35
    +2
    Ukrainian media grabbed hold of

    Lying - they don't get used to it
  34. huntsman650
    huntsman650 12 February 2018 08: 40
    +2
    Always and everywhere, all parties underestimate losses. A rebuttal is a kind of advertising; Girkin has always been a trolley to the Composer for a long time. Breathing unevenly.
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  36. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 12 February 2018 09: 11
    +3
    Girkin will play enough of field games then gives out drunken dreams for reality, He would have sat better in the office of history
  37. Foxmara
    Foxmara 12 February 2018 09: 29
    +1
    Quote: Muvka
    Those. only eyewitnesses can refute, but there is no evidence of eyewitnesses that this is a fact. Generally no evidence.

    Exactly! Therefore, it is easier to disseminate desu, which is unclear what to refute. Display information about the composition of Wagner is a gift to all intelligence agencies. Do not output - these are scum, framed such guys and did not protect. And most importantly - the elections are close, the "main bastard" is immediately visible. Well, a simple two-finger diagram, a plug. But the people are underway.
  38. bogart047
    bogart047 12 February 2018 09: 33
    +1
    Ukrosmi refer to the US Department of Defense and its head.
  39. mihey
    mihey 12 February 2018 09: 43
    +5
    Che get along here discussing military people? request
    Nevertheless, they know very well the number of platoons, companies, battalions ... Everyone knows very well that they do not take stupid things at PMCs - all with combat experience, including commanders ... So where does this shit come from for a fan? And if you turn on the brains? I'm already funny from the fact that "column" of specialists (!!!) stupidly and only with guns (!!!) ran into enemy territory and actually lost 2/3 of the PDB (!!!). And there were 5 battalions (!!!). Well, are there 1000+ people that were from Wagner PMCs? Let's add here local Syrians and proxies from Iran. Yes, it’s just incomprehensible to the mind, how can one buy this?
    PS: Notice, I’m not saying that our losses were not there, but not more than 200 with more than 200. Even if one died, it was bad.
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      1. mihey
        mihey 12 February 2018 10: 06
        +4
        One more time. Question: "Are our guys there in the regiment going to attack?"
        In general, I would have checked the cell phone where your comrade is ... Sorry, nothing personal, but for me it's not a business.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 12 February 2018 19: 10
          +1
          Yes, this is another "daughter of an officer."
      2. Fudo
        Fudo 12 February 2018 12: 05
        0
        you can believe anyone, but no one believes you, troll
    2. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 12 February 2018 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: mihey
      So where the hell is that shit on the fan? And if you turn on the brains? It’s already amusing to me that the “column” of specialists (!!!) is stupid and only with machine guns (!!!) ran into the territory of the enemy and actually lost 2/3 of the PDB (!!!). And there were 5 battalions (!!!). Well, are there 1000+ people that were from Wagner PMCs? Let's add here local Syrians and proxies from Iran. Yes, it’s just incomprehensible to the mind, how can one buy such a thing? PS: Notice, I’m not saying that our losses were not there, but not more than 200 more than “200”. Even if one died, it was bad.

      I also thought about it. How can one go to squeeze something from the Kurds if they are patronized by the Americans? If there was a mass death of our guys, then the circumstances of the incident in the public domain will not appear soon. We wait.
  40. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 12 February 2018 09: 53
    0
    and who is this girkin? iksperd for ukrosmi? or a forgotten bottom that decided to remind itself of itself?
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 12 February 2018 10: 01
      +5
      and who is this girkin? iksperd for ukrosmi? or a forgotten bottom that decided to remind itself of itself?

      This is the man who at one time did a good job of defending the interests of the Russians in the Russian territory and due to the fact that the conflict with our country was unwanted by our authorities, his tops, with the help of the media and nervous people, Kurginyans were spread to the smithereens
      1. IGOR GORDEEV
        IGOR GORDEEV 12 February 2018 10: 26
        +3
        Quote: nemec55
        This is the man who at one time did a good job of defending the interests of the Russians in the Russian territory and due to the fact that the conflict with our country was unwanted by our authorities, his tops, with the help of the media and nervous people, Kurginyans were spread to the smithereens

        My opinion is that the Americans really wanted us to get involved in the war in Ukraine. If I am not mistaken, Girkin called for active military intervention of the Russian Federation in Ukraine.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 12 February 2018 10: 49
          +1
          My opinion is that the Americans really wanted us to get involved in the war in Ukraine. If I am not mistaken, Girkin called for active military intervention of the Russian Federation in Ukraine.

          I am sure the Americans will have enough nasty things for each of us 100 times, where the Russian people (we are all residents of Russia) think about how to be in each specific situation. The Americans stupidly get a couple more nasty things from their bottomless bag of troubles and dump them for us.
          We didn’t have time to clear one, but a surprise from ten others was already prepared for us
          And not the fact that having squeezed Donbas in due time, we would now reap the fruits of lawlessness all over the east of Ukraine
  41. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 12 February 2018 09: 57
    +2
    This is the information war. And she has certain goals — shattering society. I don’t know how, but the state must fight such things.
  42. Wolverine
    Wolverine 12 February 2018 10: 01
    +4
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Girkin’s tongue is like a broom. After his resignation, he became a whiner. He should not know that every word of such authoritative people is watched and used for their own purposes.

    A broom ... a whiner ... Can you write something more intelligible? What did Strelkov deceive you specifically? The fact that Putin did not speak?
    Here the crowd is again raging, the hero is being poured with mud, and what’s completely groundless! I still can’t understand what a terrible crime Strelkov committed so that so many slops poured on him? How all the same it is easy to make an outcast from a hero if he suddenly spoke out against the Kremlin!
    With Grudinin, by the way, the same thing happens. Pour from all buckets!

    I agree to all 100 percent, it is impossible to water with mud is not justified, no one knows who and how would behave in that situation ...
  43. skeptic31
    skeptic31 12 February 2018 10: 09
    +4
    A fake is not a fake, but it cannot be denied that the Defense Ministry speaks exclusively about military personnel and is very accurate. And this is very suspicious. Moreover, when the rumors started, they generally shut up. And such silence, as a rule, says a lot.
  44. Kapitan1967
    Kapitan1967 12 February 2018 10: 24
    +3
    I called to find out if there are losses, I won’t say anything, there are no facts, there is a video that allegedly shot columns of trucks (5 KAMAZ vehicles) with infantry from a Hercules-type airplane, a considerable height, the fire was fired through a night lamp. It is a question of the 5th detachment.
    1. mihey
      mihey 12 February 2018 10: 47
      0
      Five KAMAZ trucks - approximately 100 people. Well ... more or less like the truth in terms of the total number of l / s. "Hercules" - a turboprop engine - it can be heard for 100 km (i.e. far) in the conditions of Syria, if upgraded to a percussion machine it could work from 6-7 thousand meters, but with guns, which will not differ in accuracy ... Here unlikely.
      1. Kapitan1967
        Kapitan1967 12 February 2018 12: 47
        +1
        Watch the video for sure you will find it posted. Obviously the helicopter was illuminated with a night light, perhaps the turntable worked, but it was painfully tearing decent, it seemed to me that it was stronger than our 30 ki.
    2. eaz
      eaz 12 February 2018 14: 21
      +2
      yes the 5th company there are less than 10 of them left ... remember .. I already ...
      1. Absurdidat
        Absurdidat 12 February 2018 22: 50
        +2
        Officer's daughter ...
  45. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 February 2018 10: 34
    0
    By the way, today the Amenrikans themselves stated that the Russians were definitely not there. And Girkin, apparently, remained a showman and reenactor with a claim to the darkest place. The methods are the same as for Sobchachka.
    1. Negro
      Negro 12 February 2018 13: 40
      +2
      Quote: Berkut24
      stated that the Russians were definitely not there.

      Link if possible. I saw only the option "we called Khimki, we were told etoneme"
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 12 February 2018 15: 14
        +1
        I will not give a link. already have one warning. The interview was given by James Mattis, broadcast by TASS. Another thing is that different sources have different nuances of translation.

        "We coordinate [in the area] even ground operations on each side," Mattis said. According to the information he presented, the Russian military was not among the Syrian forces, who were bombarded by a coalition near Hasham. "The Russians at that time told us that their forces were not there," said the head of the US Department of Defense.
        He also suggested that Hashsham did not have contractors or employees of Russian private military companies. “I think the Russians would have told us [about this],” Mattis said.

        Those. in the worst case, ours did not know that there some private gouges on the sly decided to cut a coin. And the Americans bombed on the basis that ours counted their own and said that everything was in place, if you want to bomb, bomb if the agreement is violated.
        We generally have a lot of noise around Wagner. Most of the mercenary units from the countries of the former USSR have nothing to do with Utkin at all. And in these detachments, besides the citizens of Russia, there are enough citizens from other states. These mercenaries are subordinate to their customers and who actually covered there and how these people got there and who they are, no one can ever recognize.
        I do not think that the Americans had the task of covering some mercenaries from Russia. If something happened there, then this is a personal responsibility. Anarchy on the battlefield is always punishable. Therefore, our people believe that ours were not there and the Americans also think so. Consensus.
        1. Negro
          Negro 12 February 2018 15: 36
          +1
          Quote: Berkut24
          At that time, the Russians told us that their forces were not there, "said the head of the US Department of Defense.
          He also suggested that Hashsham did not have contractors or employees of Russian private military companies. “I think the Russians would have told us [about this],” Mattis said.

          Yes, I saw it.
          Only it is not
          Quote: Berkut24
          Amenrikants declared that Russians were definitely not there

          This is "we called, and we are told that no one is home."
          Please try to convey as accurately as possible the contents of the application in such cases.
          Mattis, if anything, gets a record of the conversation with Khimki and says now, I don’t know anything, the Russians themselves told me that. He does not accept responsibility, but, on the contrary, takes it off.
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 12 February 2018 18: 34
            +1
            You know, I have a seventh feeling inside that says that in a situation where no one knows for sure, the news comes out of nowhere, the facts are brought about by fakeomes like Strelkov and El-Murid, there are no photos or videos attached to the place and time , all this looks like an informational wave tied to the upcoming elections. They offend our type, but Putin is silent and the Defense Ministry, led by the most popular minister, ignore the suffering of their own citizens. And if this is so, then it turns out that neither our nor the Americans really have anything to say. This is my personal opinion. And it is possible that until March 18 we will hear more strange news.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 12 February 2018 19: 18
              0
              Golden eagle, please, out of respect for the real person, referring to the Internet information indicate "Shooters" in quotation marks.
              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 12 February 2018 20: 52
                +1
                I will try, but for a long time I have no respect for this person.
  46. Cjiobo
    Cjiobo 12 February 2018 10: 35
    +1
    Amazing nearby. For several years, the Amerokos made raids and then destroyed two or three militants with metal. Big losses were if they struck congestions such as weddings of churches, etc. And here 200 cc. specially gathered in a heap and began to calmly watch how they work on them.
  47. anjey
    anjey 12 February 2018 10: 38
    +1
    The Ukrainian media vividly seized upon the publication of Strelkov (Girkin), while removing the words “maybe” and “disa” from it,
    educated in the spirit of Bandera Ukraine, everything just does what pisses with boiling water for joy, although it is possible that this fake was prepared on the territory of Bandera, the same audio recording that is available on the Internet, I want to believe that it bared the information war, but the mass of joy in Bander is disgusting from this abomination - deceased in spirit and history, admirers of Bandera ideas, and indeed ideas, ordinary betrayal and terrorism ....
  48. Bronevick
    Bronevick 12 February 2018 10: 42
    +2
    From where does Girkin know that? Is he the general of all troops of All Russia?
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 12 February 2018 13: 54
      +1
      From where does Girkin know that? Is he the general of all troops of All Russia?

      People of this profession already wrote, they communicate with each other, and maybe Strelkov has in this unit not just acquaintances but friends POSSIBLE !!!
  49. Old military officer
    Old military officer 12 February 2018 10: 44
    0
    I went to write the province and the sources are exhaustively reliable. What does it mean to have a good crop of durum wheat, there is plenty to make spaghetti from, and there are always ears.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 12 February 2018 13: 56
      0
      I went to write the province and the sources are exhaustively reliable. What does it mean to have a good crop of durum wheat, there is plenty to make spaghetti from, and there are always ears.

      Again we are collective farmers to blame
  50. Ural resident
    Ural resident 12 February 2018 10: 55
    0
    As a result, it became clear that nothing was clear.
    Someone in the comments writes that this is not, because it cannot be.
    Or because Girkin said it. Girkin is a well-known person who has recently been offended by our actions in Syria, and he will naturally embellish and inflate all the negative that happens there. Most likely, Girkin has information on the 2-3 dead, and he “guesses” that he doesn’t know everything, it means about 100. Then, very strangely, he says that he is surprised by the number of deaths over 600, although there are about 500 people in PMCs.
    From all the snippets, it becomes clear that PMCs were all there = -so present.
    The only thing is that, as I understand it, not only Russians, but also Syrians, are fighting with Wagner in PMCs. Regarding the death of such an amount, most likely - a fake.