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Bulk crap or cunning plan Grudinina?

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I was pleased with the next reaction to the next political show. LJ and our other backwaters have become like a summer village bathroom, into which the villains have thrown yeast.




Whatever is, flooded from all cracks.

“Who there wanted to vote for Grudinina? Have not changed your mind yet? ”Well, and other“ ko-ko-ko ”in this spirit.

Right away, I will say this, not only did he not change his mind, this uncle seems to me to be even more original and thoughtful.

What is the joke of the day?

Grudinin was interviewed by Vudya.

A question was asked to Grudinin about Navalny. And Grudinin banged in response, such that many jumped.

Actually, nothing like that Grudinin, in cooperation with Navalny, does not see. He does not mind cooperating with people who can do something, and not talkers-populists. And Navalny at the premiere of Grudinina could be, for example, the head of the Accounting Chamber.

Badabum ... Well, a bird troika rushed on the Internet. Another flurry of indignations on the topic "against whom Grudinin is friends."

But I tore off the chassis from the chair and went to the headquarters to our navalnyat, about which I already wrote more than once.

Everything is pretty happy for me. The directive from above has not yet arrived, but everyone knows that their Lesha is in Grudinin's favor.

It personally seemed to me that Grudinin, in an interview, frankly scoffed about Navalny. But the result is very.

Actually, with Navalny everything is clear. He is nothing more than a political corpse. There is no progress for the president, and there will not be, no less than where else. The main thing for Lehi is not to be sent to the logging company.

But judging by the way the goddaughter jumps around him, while there seems to be nothing to worry about. Should not be planted. In the West, they will not understand.

The question of heritage. Those who went for Lesha, for Ksenia, I'm sorry, will not go. Lichikom not out. Well, her speech is not Fuehrer.

Meanwhile, really Navalny associates have done a fair amount of work. And, as it were, a certain number of supporters is taking place.

And, most importantly, these are young supporters. In two years, Navalny did what Putin could not and could never do: he had attracted young people to his side. That Putin will not go.

Yes, Putin did the main thing - Navalny sawed out from the competitors legally, and did not plant. Although with what, and with the landing we have order. If there was a man, they would find the article. And often it is not necessary to look for, examples of the shaft.

So the wolves are fed, the sheep are whole. Bulk can still be an awl in the ass in power, but no more. Criticize, but not steer.

But electoratrat pick worth. There is nothing to scatter them. All the more so. Promising in the time span.

It is clear that no gingerbread Navalovskih in the camp of Putin did not lure. It is obvious. Opposition…

And such a passage by Pavel Nikolaevich personally applauds me. And if they really agree with Leshka ... Wow, what comedy will begin, it will be nice to watch.

Well, by the way. Flop all the same will need to be subjected to political rehabilitation. Especially those who are well brains filled with sauce "navalnodemokratii".

It is actually better to let the non-communists like Grudinin do it, than the rebeliberals like Surkov.

For the country will be more useful, right.

So, oddly enough, but after what was heard and read, Grudinin stopped looking like a simple simpleton-chairman. This is a more interesting phenomenon on our political scene.

It will be necessary to take a closer look and listen.

And yes, the desire to vote is not lost. Strange, yes?
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 10 February 2018 06: 36
    +61
    “Who wanted to vote for Grudinin there?” Have not changed your mind yet? ”
    I did not change my mind.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 10 February 2018 08: 26
      +27
      Yes, Grudinin has no plan, much less cunning. The presidential election in Russia has become boring in terms of the predictability of the same result. If in 2012 the turnout was revived by events in the swamp and bow, then the current ones, in this regard, promised a decrease in interest of the electorate and a significant reduction in those wishing to put a ballot in the ballot box. United Russia, in a single rush, used the administrative resource to the glory of its creator, which ultimately cast doubt on the results of our "democratic" squiggles. If earlier Putin won against his rivals with a kindrmat, which everyone is already tired of, now he has decided to play the game with a staging middlegame. He rejected United Russia (removed a couple of rooks from the board, giving odds to the enemy) and allowed him to play white, going for self-nomination. And what about Grudinin? Just a false passed pawn in the middle of the game. The queen will not pass, but the defense will ruffle and cause intrigue among the audience. If you get a second round of voting, then the task will be completed in full hi
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 February 2018 11: 26
        +42
        Quote: siberalt
        Yes, there is no plan for Grudinin, let alone cunning

        Well, yes, the Kremlin dodger bought the rights to cunning plans.
        You colleague write nonsense, not knowing either the essence or the history of the issue.
        Grudini is a team, he is one of FIVE candidates who was approved by the Congress of the PDS of the NDSR and only then the Communist Party and pulled from his presentation as a candidate to make a “surprise” for the adm.pres. then AUTHORITY began to PUN Grudinin for loyalty, and he rebelled. Then all the pro-Kremlin media began to wet him.
        And yet, at the congress of the PDS NPSR, Grudinin signed the Oath.

        Skomorokhov again +!
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 10 February 2018 12: 26
          +53
          Far from our media to American and Ukrainian. There is no light. The goal is the same for everyone - the destruction of the reputation of an objectionable person. But the execution ... Well, what kind of dirt is this - Bulk? Well, what are these article titles?
          - “Grudinin deprived minor children of housing”
          - “Zhirinovsky brought Grudinin to clean water”
          - “Open your eyes - Grudinin is deceiving you”
          What kind of kindergarten? Where is the horror that a reading audience should hold down? Where are the glaring facts depriving speechless of righteous anger?
          That is why there are still no articles on the rape by Grudinin of all the hotel maids? Where is the revealed truth about the storage of Syrian chemical weapons at state-owned warehouses? Why hasn’t there yet been a journalist who grabbed Pavel Nikolayevich’s hand in transmitting classified materials about the country's military potential to American spies? How long will the truth about Grudinin's involvement in the disaster of the Polish side near Smolensk and in the destruction of the Boeing in Ukraine be hidden? Why, finally, is still hushed up the chilling secret of the birth of Grudinin that he is a descendant of the leader of the cannibal Aboriginal tribe who ate Cook? What are we waiting for, gentlemen, journalists?
          No guys, that won’t do. You still have not justified the high trust you have shown. And the time before the election is less and less.
          1. dauria
            dauria 10 February 2018 17: 01
            +7
            That is why there are still no articles on the rape by Grudinin of all the hotel maids? Where is the revealed truth about the storage of Syrian chemical weapons at state-owned warehouses?


            Well, our people can forgive this trifle. And even what he mowed from the army. But accounts abroad - here figushki. It was necessary to hide well.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 10 February 2018 17: 07
              +18
              Quote: dauria
              And even what he mowed from the army.

              In those years, students were not drafted into the army, there were military departments.
              Quote: dauria
              But accounts abroad - here figushki. It was necessary to hide well.

              There are no accounts, no! hi
              1. dauria
                dauria 10 February 2018 17: 43
                +7
                In those years, students were not drafted into the army


                Yeah, I remember ... wassat A third of techies in any part are lieutenants two-year-old students. Sensible guys came across at times, but you won’t be tempted to stay. There were those with two children who fell under the limit of 28 years. No tales needed. Well, okay - he slanted and slanted. Well I said this people will forgive.
                No accounts laughing There is a slurred muttering about "funds for treatment." Live.
                1. Vladimir 5
                  Vladimir 5 10 February 2018 19: 10
                  +12
                  dauria. for that persistence to write a lie the ears of the Kremlin bots bulge. And then no more than 10-15% of graduates called from civilian universities. To be the head of a large state farm and not have accounts abroad, And there they buy equipment and stuff, this does not happen, only Zhirinovsky was richer than P, Grudinin, see the candidate’s declaration ...
                  1. gaura
                    gaura 12 February 2018 09: 35
                    +1
                    The question is not in wealth, but in what he did not even show initially. And then he just mumbled about treatment, etc. Well, if you need bills to buy equipment, and he has nothing to hide, why invent it?
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 10 February 2018 21: 33
              +10
              Grudinin did not participate in privatizations, Soviet property, he is an honest businessman, compared to oligarchs, privatizers and his money, he can keep it anywhere.
              But accounts abroad - here figushki

              It is not a matter of storage, it is stolen, they or earned.
              Most owners of factories, spending money on equipment, production and personnel counts as a loss, and losses must be reduced. In contrast, Grudinin spends money on equipment, production, and personnel, which is not typical of the Russian Federation, for which he is respected, honored, and voted.
          2. gurzuf
            gurzuf 12 February 2018 14: 11
            0
            Not expected! I did not expect to think so narrowly! Why articles about raped maids and other nonsense? Road reaction to this "mochilovo"! No reaction - it means it recognizes! There is a reaction, in the form of lawsuits about the “defense of honor and dignity”, not the same as “Grudinin deprived the housing of minor children” unearthed! Or are there doubts that they will not dig out?
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 12 February 2018 14: 26
              +3
              On narrow thinking, please accept my compliment, gurzuf. Apparently, the language of allegory is not familiar to you. By the way, regarding “recognizes - does not recognize” I strongly advise you to read Mark Twain’s story “How I ran for governor”. One to one the same story.
        2. Ber
          Ber 10 February 2018 14: 10
          +9
          Skomorokhov again +!


          Yeah especially for that ..

          But judging by the way the goddaughter jumps around him, while there seems to be nothing to worry about. Should not be planted. In the West, they will not understand.


          The goddaughter, sickly snitch's notebook (complaint book) if GDP needs someone to break through to the barricades they throw a not yet completely driven horse with specials. team.

          For, as a personal trustee of Kresnets, the GDP will remain so with him, Madame too re-plays.
        3. Oden280
          Oden280 10 February 2018 18: 46
          +9
          Your Grudinin is an ordinary land scam. And how he throws seasonal workers can read their reviews. If the oligarchs are so dear to you, and this figure is one of them, then call Khodorkovsky right away.
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 10 February 2018 21: 36
            +7
            Where have you been for so long? Was he ill?
            Come up with a newer one, these button accordions have already been exposed.
            1. Oden280
              Oden280 10 February 2018 22: 17
              +1
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              And this is about workers
              https://pikabu.ru/story/rassledovanie_fan_kak_kan
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          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 February 2018 21: 45
            +3
            Quote: Oden280
            And how he throws seasonal workers can read their reviews.

            Where are the reviews? Read Hotz.
            1. Oden280
              Oden280 10 February 2018 22: 00
              +1
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              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 10 February 2018 22: 04
                +4
                I did not see reviews. I saw the fields. With strawberries, or not, did not make out. request
                1. Oden280
                  Oden280 11 February 2018 19: 30
                  0
                  It was necessary to click on the fields, there the side will display a description of the object and comments
        4. raw174
          raw174 12 February 2018 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          Grudini is a team, he is one of the FIVE candidates who was approved by the Congress of the PDS of the NDSR and only then by the Communist Party and pulled from his presentation as a candidate

          No, they won’t choose ... The time of the Communists has passed.
          I already wrote here, I am proud of our common Soviet past, achievements in many fields. But the final record of their reign is the collapse of the country. This happened within the life of one person, in just 70 years. The first half of the 70th anniversary was built, the second half was destroyed ... The same raw material economy, which the current Communists brand. In the 80s, the price of oil fell, external debt soared, a powerful crisis inside. Where was the praised agriculture? There were no products! Coupons introduced.
          There are no friends, the Communists had a chance, they used it, the system did not justify itself, it fell apart.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 12 February 2018 17: 14
            +2
            raw174 Today, 14:47
            Where was the praised agriculture? There were no products! Coupons introduced.

            Instead of a thousand words ... A documentary chronicle of one city.
            Attention! Before watching the video, stock up on validol, valerian and the like!

            PS Who then was part of the Sobchak team, I hope you know.
          2. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte 13 February 2018 11: 58
            0
            Opinion about 70 years is wrong. The building of communism ended in 1962, with the adoption of the Third Program of the CPSU. Which verbally declared the further construction of communism, but really turned the CPSU into a new aristocracy and its seizure of power from the Soviets (i.e., the people).
            That's when the collapse of agriculture, the raw materials economy, blind copying of foreign technologies, etc. began.
            1. raw174
              raw174 13 February 2018 13: 02
              +1
              Quote: Snakebyte
              Opinion about 70 years is wrong.

              Therefore, I said:
              The first half of the 70th anniversary was built, the second half was destroyed ...

              This does not change the essence, the system could not stand it, did not justify itself, fell apart ...
              1. Snakebyte
                Snakebyte 13 February 2018 13: 07
                0
                Quote: raw174
                This does not change the essence, the system could not stand it, did not justify itself, fell apart ...

                The system did not fall apart. A hidden coup d'etat took place. Instead of "All Power to the Soviets," became the "Leading and Guiding Role of the Party."
                1. raw174
                  raw174 13 February 2018 13: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Snakebyte
                  The system did not fall apart. A hidden coup d'etat took place. Instead of "All Power to the Soviets," became the "Leading and Guiding Role of the Party."

                  But the result is one ... Well, it didn’t fall apart, could not withstand the blow, could not defend itself, you can call it anything, but it acted as the Kursk nuclear submarine, and as you know, it’s drowned ...
                  The power of the councils, in my personal conviction, can be built in Liechtenstein, the Vatican, Monaco ... Do you understand what I mean? In a big country, it’s a utopia, anyway the outcome will be sad for the system, the authorities will take a certain circle of people and will command the parade.
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      3. papas-57
        papas-57 10 February 2018 21: 28
        +4
        "If Putin used to beat his rivals with a kindrmat, which everyone is already tired of, now he has decided to play the game with a staging middlegame." Does he need this? Fight clowns - disgrace yourself.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 08: 28
      +15
      I did not change my mind.
      So do I. Although on some issues Grudinin lost. In response to the question of Dude about who was building under Stalin, I would answer - "And now they don’t work in our zones? And in the USA they don’t work in the zones? Or in the 30s Great Britain did not use labor of convicts in Australia?"
      P.S. We must look after the elections at the bald Dude. laughing
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 10 February 2018 12: 31
        +23
        Background, say? GDP understands that liberal policy is at an impasse. We are circling around. The economy is stagnant, the industry is stagnating, medium-sized businesses are breathing fine, the speculative is completely gone into the gray zone, the bobs are blowing out of the country at the same speed, medicine, education and culture have left the countryside under the guise of optimization. Livestock on imported feed, fish has become inaccessible to most of the population due to the high cost, etc., etc. On a box advertising interspersed with vulgarity. The constitution is anti-people, designed as it were for a transitional period, but it is well settled in by the system and suits it. Revenue stratification is unprecedented in world history. Few? This is where Grudinin is needed as a “soft referendum”, a vote for which will determine the attitude to the current domestic policy of our government. It will not be possible to demolish it, for which the Russian Guard has been created. But to change something from above will be a weighty argument for GDP. Therefore, in the first round, the authorities will not “water” Grudinin, such is the task - to reveal the level of protest in society. And why not vote for him in this case? I'm all for it".
        1. Ber
          Ber 10 February 2018 14: 18
          +6
          sibiralt. I share your every word.
          Especially accurately said.
          This is where Grudinin is needed as a “soft referendum”, a vote for which will determine the attitude to the current domestic policy of our government.


          + 100 good

          Therefore, in the first round, the authorities will not “water” Grudinin, such is the task - to reveal the level of protest in society. And why not vote for him in this case? I'm all for it".


          Although the government, the candidate from the Communist Party will not miss (there is a 1996 experience), but you need to vote, these are my first elections, I have never gone to the vote before.
        2. seos
          seos 10 February 2018 14: 58
          +5
          The Russian Guard is not created for this, its purpose is protection from the Maidan, because Putin has reason to doubt the allegiance of the oath of the Russian security forces ....
          1. Giants
            Giants 10 February 2018 15: 34
            +20
            Quote: seos
            The Russian Guard is not created for this, its purpose is protection from the Maidan, because Putin has reason to doubt the allegiance of the oath of the Russian security forces ....

            If Putin has reason to doubt the fidelity of the oath of the Russian security forces, it means that Putin is well aware that he is pursuing an anti-people’s policy and one day you can have a booty on the stake. After all, the Russian rebellion, he is blind and merciless.
            1. seos
              seos 10 February 2018 15: 42
              +4
              No one was ever afraid of a bully ... all revolutions and coups d'etat were carried out with the help of the betrayal of the security forces.
              In 1917, the cruiser Aurora and the storming of the Winter Palace by sailors ...
              1991 storm of the white house
              Independence Square in Ukraine ... do you think it downs with pots on his head arranged?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 10 February 2018 21: 49
                +3
                Quote: seos
                1991 storm of the white house

                What? recourse
              2. Shaitan_by
                Shaitan_by 12 February 2018 13: 37
                0
                Quote: seos
                1991 storm of the white house

                Is not it in 1993?
          2. the most important
            the most important 10 February 2018 17: 41
            +5
            Quote: seos
            The Russian Guard is not created for this, its purpose is protection from the Maidan, because Putin has reason to doubt the allegiance of the oath of the Russian security forces ....

            The development of the country and improving the living standards of the people - this is the basis of the lack of Maidan. A bayonet is not possible to sit.
        3. dauria
          dauria 10 February 2018 18: 31
          +3
          But to change something from above will be a weighty argument for GDP.


          Are you out of your mind? This is then not just “Putin’s cunning plan,” but the most cunning. To help the people and conduct a revolution from above, he decided to show the oligarchs Grudinin. laughing And then they didn’t see the “Grudinins” and they don’t know the mood of the people. The task is one - to get you out of the couch to the polls. And then it’s “not comme il faut”, and Volfovich and Zyu ceased to cope with the role.
        4. nickname7
          nickname7 10 February 2018 21: 47
          +7
          GDP understands that liberal policy is at an impasse.

          This is Khazin back in '12, he was sounding the alarm that a drop in GDP growth had begun, that there would be only 2.5% growth, this is scary for the economy and ...
          Now on TV, they said that an increase of TOTAL 2.5% should be proud of. According to the reports, everything is fine for the government and GDP.
      2. freddyk
        freddyk 10 February 2018 13: 01
        +9
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        In response to a question by Dude about who was building under Stalin, I would answer: “Now they don’t work in our zones? And in the USA they don’t work in zones? Or in the 30s Great Britain did not use labor of convicts in Australia?”

        Yes. here Grudinin "did not twist" what is called. After all, he correctly said, built the Soviet people. ZK were also the Soviet people and were built on a par with everyone, with Komsomol volunteers and simply hired workers. And the proportion of ZK in this case was no more than 30%. So, Grudinin said everything correctly and it would be necessary now to return this experience when restoring the national economy, there is nothing for them to sit on the neck of taxpayers.
      3. Geterosigma
        Geterosigma 13 February 2018 09: 52
        0
        in general, there’s a difference: to sew a robe or to work in the workshop as warm and wagging at minus 50 degrees without power. Labor and hard labor have all the same a small difference
    3. populist
      populist 10 February 2018 08: 35
      +19
      Andrey Yuryevich
      I did not change my mind.

      I also did not change my mind to vote for Grudinin. Regarding the interview in Dudu, I rely on the opinions of Roman and Andrey. But you must see for yourself to know how to explain to people.
      1. avt
        avt 10 February 2018 10: 54
        +8
        Quote: populist
        But you must see for yourself to know how to explain to people.

        bully Oh, here!
        Personally, it seemed to me that Grudinin in an interview frankly ridiculed about Navalny.
        Roman already stretched a straw - the leader was joking! bully Well, I’ve joked, you laughed, what can’t you say in a joking conversation? " bully It is difficult of course to drown further with such speeches of the person involved, but it is necessary. Right ? And now the more detailed justification of the direct needs of a large, anal
        In two years, Navalny did what Putin could not and will never be able to do: he attracted the young ones to his side. Which will not go after Putin .... But it’s worth picking up an electrorake. They have nothing to scatter. Moreover, such. Promising in the time span.
        It is clear that no gingerbread in the camp of Putin can be lured into Putin’s camp. It is obvious. Opposition….
        bully ,, It’s necessary Fedya .... it’s necessary "and no matter what
        Quote: Finches
        Grudinin is an ordinary unprincipled opportunist,

        By the way! Novel! I will throw up another misl - his spiritual ates - Zu Gano Pen, also spoke very flattering about a companion in the Swamp anal. Well, the very one who, on the Pushkinskaya cinema opposite Russia, climbed up a concrete vase and pissed in front of the curators from the US Embassy. Well Tyutyukin-Udaltsov. bully Although of course with such public runs on the camera Grudinin, it’s difficult to drown for him. I wouldn’t take it for any money. Campaign is an untrained and simply insane client. With this, then you will spend the medication fee, well, if you seriously take up the work. bully
        1. populist
          populist 11 February 2018 13: 56
          +1
          avt
          Yes here

          "Yes, here it is" already looked. Grudinin is just fine. good I will advise everyone to see, especially young.
          Roman already stretched a straw

          Roman set all the accents in his article correctly yes
          ,,You must Fedya, you must"

          Of course, and not otherwise. tongue
    4. Finches
      Finches 10 February 2018 08: 36
      +38
      Grudinin is an ordinary unprincipled opportunist who, for the sake of victory, will conspire at least with a bald bald man, not like the State Department or Navalny, but I’m curious that people who are wise by everyday experience believe him - all the same, human naivety and wet fantasies about a bright future are ineradicable, only you just need to play skillfully on time on their fond memories of youth, about life in the USSR .... Apparently, the brains are completely turned off! laughing The man was a member of three political parties and talked about joining the Liberal Democratic Party, but apparently Zhirinovsky, he said, we have enough clowns here without you, and now basically became a communist! Vote, it’s for me ... It's funny and a little sad ...!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 08: 44
        +29
        Quote: Finches
        Grudinin ordinary unprincipled opportunist

        At least 90% of the state farm employees will confidently argue with you.
        I repeat - at least one of the presidential candidates did at least something for people AT YOUR ACCOUNT, as Grudinin did?
        And Grudinin is not for the restoration of socialism, he is for the construction of the social model of capitalism, like Norway and Sweden. I, the monarchist in my views, is completely satisfied with this. hi
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 10 February 2018 08: 49
          +27
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          At least 90% of the state farm employees will confidently argue with you.

          I apologize for interrupting, but these 90% of the employees are just about to argue with Grudinin in court over the land shares and shares of the company taken away from them.
          1. populist
            populist 10 February 2018 09: 01
            +26
            SRC P-15
            but these 90% of employees are just about to argue with Grudinin in court over the land shares and shares of the company taken away from them.

            I saw these muddy personalities. About 15 people gathered. Apparently not one on the farm is working. And the only voiced claim for 1995 is for chickens to laugh. It's been 22 years. And where have they been all this time? what
            Funny wiring for suckers. There have already been many such distributions. But the inexperienced people act. How - on television showed. laughing laughing laughing
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 10 February 2018 09: 08
              +4
              Quote: populist
              I saw these muddy personalities.

              "What I saw, what I saw!
              -Kumanek, what did you see?
              "I saw a siskin,
              The whole city of Paris,
              Put it in the bag!
              - Oh, you're lying kumanek! smile
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 February 2018 11: 32
            +25
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            I apologize for interrupting, but these 90% of employees are just about to argue with Grudinin in court over the land taken from them shares and shares of CJSC.

            Before repeating the nonsense litter -t, ask that there are no shares in a joint stock company, but there are shares
            That is, if you are a shareholder of Gazprom, then this does not give you the right to part of the Gazprom pipe !!!
            So come up with something new, but this garbage has already been flushed to the toilet. laughing
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 10 February 2018 12: 03
              +13
              Quote: Stroporez
              Before repeating the bullshit litter -tv, take an interest in the fact that there are no shares in the joint-stock company, but there are shares

              I repeat for the slow-witted: Grudinin forced all the workers of the state farm to hand over their land shares to the state farm, and instead gave them the shares of the newly formed CJSC. And then, for nothing, he forced them to sell to a state farm - i.e. him!. Otherwise, where does he now have a 40% stake in the company? In this way, workers lost both land and shares.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 10 February 2018 12: 32
                +21
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                I repeat for the slow-witted: Grudinin forced all the workers of the state farm to hand over their land shares to the state farm, and instead gave them the shares of the newly formed CJSC.

                Do you think that the more often you repeat nonsense, then normal people will believe in it?
                The reorganization of collective farms and state farms in AO and CJSC took place by decree of the ebna!
                Do you understand that now you look like a liar?
                Here Grudini answered all your nonsense with 20.25
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 10 February 2018 17: 14
                  +9
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  The reorganization of collective farms and state farms in AO and CJSC took place by decree of the ebna!
                  Do you understand that now you look like a liar?

                  You want to say that it was Yeltsin who ordered the land shares to be taken away, that is, shares from workers on collective-farm and state farms? Do you want to shift the blame of Grudinin in your household, to Yeltsin? Who are you holding us here for? Better tell me, how does the State Department pay you, hourly or for the number of comments? Today is Saturday, and I don’t have enough time to sit at the computer - I have to go to work and there are a lot of things to do around the house. But you, as soon as an article about Grudinin is published, flies in droves and scribbles your libel all day - it seems that paying you is really not bad. Otherwise, they would work, rather than scribble their comments!
                  And yes, I don’t look at all these videos raising your protege! Lies in our country and without this abound!
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 10 February 2018 17: 35
                    +11
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    You want to say that it was Yeltsin who ordered the land shares to be taken away, that is, shares from workers on collective-farm and state farms? Do you want to shift the blame of Grudinin in your household, to Yeltsin?

                    I want to say that I do not hold you for anyone, because it is difficult to talk with a person who has a TV instead of his head, with the statements of shapiro (nightingales).
                    For those in a zombie tank, I explain.
                    Those people-shareholders (such as dissatisfied) that you are talking about have 4,5% of the shares of Lenin Sovkhoz CJSC, at the general meeting of shareholders of which it was decided "not to pay dividends to shareholders, but to direct funds for the development of the enterprise" They are offered to sell CJSC shares (although according to the charter they can simply be taken away), but they require shares. For further, see the example about Gazprom.
                    So colleague, you write what you "one grandmother said," without real facts. So you're a liar or just an incompetent person.
                    Threat. I leave your burp about the State Department on your conscience, if it is of course. wink hi
                    1. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 10 February 2018 17: 58
                      +4
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Those people-shareholders (such as dissatisfied) that you are talking about have 4,5% of the shares of Lenin Sovkhoz CJSC,

                      Again, you are twisting everything! I do not mean those ordinary shareholders who have 4,5% of the shares, but those who do not already have these shares! Do you understand the difference between stockholders and a donut hole? So: instead of stocks, most of the former shareholders have this donut hole in their hands! It was them that I had in mind when I said that they were going to file claims against Grudinin. And they decided to do this after your favorite unveiled his capital abroad. People just realized: here is the money that should have belonged to them, and not to your Grudinin! Get ready, stirring has gone! Soon the courts will be littered with claims from former shareholders!
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Threat. I leave your burp about the State Department on your conscience, if it is of course.

                      "Ugh on you!"
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 10 February 2018 18: 13
                        +10
                        Quote: СРЦ П-15
                        "Ugh on you!"

                        foolTrolls are now aggressive and stupid went wassat More careful, there may be a headwind! angry
                        Svanidze over there, too, pouted ..., pouted ... and .... laughing
          3. Midshipman
            Midshipman 11 February 2018 20: 32
            +1
            In a closed joint stock company, there can be no shares by definition !!!!
        2. Finches
          Finches 10 February 2018 08: 53
          +18
          hi And 10% is apparently deceived by him! Which remained without share and without land ... God be with him! Already recalled Ostap Ibrahimovic and Honore de Balzac with their rhetorical phrase that all wealth is earned dishonestly, but the communist oligarch is from the field of psychiatry. And there is enough naivety in me, but so far I have not fallen into insanity and understand perfectly well that the oligarch Grudinin uses the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as a tool to achieve his goal, and the losing Communist Party uses Grudinin playing on good memories of the USSR ordinary people who are far from political intrigues! But nothing will change - there will be no progress, it will only be worse for everyone, except for Grudinin himself! He will rise in the Forbes lists, as the oligarch Poroshenko did in Ukraine when he came to the polls under the slogan of the fight against ... oligarchs ... laughing
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 26
            +26
            how did the oligarch Poroshenko do it n
            Tell us about people who have become billionaires close to the current president.
            communist oligarch
            you forgot the chairman, but that’s better than a librarian and a suitcase carrier.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 February 2018 11: 44
            +24
            Quote: Finches
            that all wealth is earned dishonestly, but the oligarch-communist, this is from the field of psychiatry

            uhhhhhh, Kamrad! Where did you see the oligarch in Grudinin? this time
            And the second one! Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party.
            Quote: Finches
            but while I’m still not into insanity,

            And I affirm that yes, Potamushta, you are campaigning to vote for Putin’s citizen and his team, which includes such “wonderful” people as Kiriyenko (kinder-surprise), Naibulin, Gref, Kudrin, Siluanov, Medvedev, Surkov, Dvorkovich, Shuvalov and their ilk Rotenbergs, Michelsons, Friedmans, Kovalchuk, Potanins, etc., etc. the command of the offshore "cellists".
            Forward.
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 12 February 2018 14: 30
              0
              It seems you are right about Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party, this is the Communist Party is Grudinin am
          3. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 13: 56
            +13
            Quote: Finches
            But nothing will change - there will be no progress, it will only be worse for everyone, except for Grudinin himself! He will rise in the Forbes lists, as the oligarch Poroshenko did in Ukraine when he came to the polls under the slogan of the fight against ... oligarchs

            Vanguet? Or maybe a bet? Your word is against the word of Grudinin. What are we arguing about?
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 10 February 2018 10: 33
          +14
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And Grudinin is not for the restoration of socialism, he is for the construction of the social model of capitalism, like Norway and Sweden. I, the monarchist in views, is completely satisfied

          Dear Ingvar, if Grudinin wins and begins to implement his “program”, then the first thing he will say is: “Now we have to CARE! To fix what has been heaped up before ...” And you will have to endure ten, twenty and etc. years old. With all related "perestroika" affairs. And without guarantee of result.
          Do people have a spare life — wait?
          1. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 14: 01
            +13
            When they perform surgery with local anesthesia, they always say “it will hurt now” and give an injection. But then it becomes easier for the patient. I am ready to tolerate, and many agree with me.
          2. free
            free 10 February 2018 19: 01
            +9
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And Grudinin is not for the restoration of socialism, he is for the construction of the social model of capitalism, like Norway and Sweden. I, the monarchist in views, is completely satisfied

            Dear Ingvar, if Grudinin wins and begins to implement his “program”, then the first thing he will say is: “Now we have to CARE! To fix what has been heaped up before ...” And you will have to endure ten, twenty and etc. years old. With all related "perestroika" affairs. And without guarantee of result.
            Do people have a spare life — wait?

            And now they don’t offer you to endure? "There is no money, but you hold on!" Do you have a spare life? You can and should tolerate, the question is for what?
        4. avt
          avt 10 February 2018 11: 30
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I repeat - at least one of the presidential candidates has done at least something for the people at their own expense, how did Grudinin do it?

          bully
          “People have always been and always will be stupid victims of fraud and self-deception in politics, until they learn to seek the interests of particular classes for any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises.”
          ―Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 11: 51
            +5
            Shark - before looking for interested classes according to the precepts of Ilyich, answer at least one of the conditionally interested did the same?
            1. avt
              avt 10 February 2018 12: 03
              +8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Shark - before looking for interested classes according to the precepts of Ilyich, answer at least one of the conditionally interested did the same?

              bully And think about it? In accordance with the above quote. Well, at least over why Ulyanov / Lenin proposed to participate in the elections to the bourgeois PARLIAMENT. Here's a theme like, Who is your last king? Nobody? Then I was the first. "COMMUNISTS did not bother. That is, in fact, the current ,, bloc of communists and non-partisans" led by Grudinin and his spiritual mentor Zu Gano Pin. The banal petty bourgeois who sell everything from strawberries to nostalgia for the USSR in the hope of breaking out into the big ones. Well,
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              did one of the conditionally interested do the same?

              So read the program from Grudinin and Zyu Gano Pin. There these statements are promises of a wagon and a small cart. Or you will wait, well, when Roman on V.O. lay out? wassat
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 10 February 2018 12: 44
                +7
                Quote: avt
                There these statements are promises of a wagon and a small cart. Or you will wait, well, when Roman on V.O. lay out?

                Duc, the other day laid out his program, however, some "We" (well, they were called that).laughing Well, everything is simple: Apparently, the “dear editorial office” decided to use its own resource. Normal, nothing out of the ordinary. yes As in the rabid Topilov "initiative group". Yes, with bread, like, order, circuses - in bulk fellow and the soul-darling asks everything for something ... yes, at least smoked (albeit with a sweetheart) brisket in strawberry syrup. Apparently, they were already fed up with these "terrible, hungry eighteen years." Typical consumerism, all for the sake of their own Wishlist.
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 11 February 2018 13: 34
                +2
                Quote: avt
                There these statements are promises of a wagon and a small cart.

                Shark - pretending you didn’t understand the essence of the matter? wink I'm not talking about promises, but about what has already been done. At least once answer directly - which of the candidates built at least something on their own money?
                1. avt
                  avt 12 February 2018 19: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Shark - pretending you didn’t understand the essence of the matter?

                  bully Pretending not to read Ilyich?
                  Quote: avt
                  for any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises to seek out the interests of particular classes.

                  Where is Ulyanov / Lenin here
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  but about already done

                  bully
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  At least once answer directly - which of the candidates built at least something on their own money?

                  bully Straight
                  Apolitical reasoning, I swear, honestly. Do not understand the political situation.
                  bully What can you say
                  And do not confuse your personal wool with the state!
                  Straight, everything is collective farm, everything is mine " bully He sold his land .... his ... and rebuilt everything ... already on ,, his " bully
          2. free
            free 10 February 2018 19: 03
            +3
            Quote: avt
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I repeat - at least one of the presidential candidates has done at least something for the people at their own expense, how did Grudinin do it?

            bully
            “People have always been and always will be stupid victims of fraud and self-deception in politics, until they learn to seek the interests of particular classes for any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises.”
            ―Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

            Ilyich said golden words, you just need to address them directly to you.
        5. Sergeant71
          Sergeant71 10 February 2018 12: 17
          +6
          And can you imagine the presidential candidates in Norway and Sweden, oligarchs who have accounts abroad and occasionally come for them? And rushing from party to party? I’m somehow not. But in our country, naive people continue to think up "priests-kings" who are sitting and dreaming of planting the whole Russian girl with strawberries in the name of national happiness.
          1. free
            free 10 February 2018 19: 04
            +7
            Quote: Sergeant71
            And can you imagine the presidential candidates in Norway and Sweden, oligarchs who have accounts abroad and occasionally come for them? And rushing from party to party? I’m somehow not. But in our country, naive people continue to think up "priests-kings" who are sitting and dreaming of planting the whole Russian girl with strawberries in the name of national happiness.

            So maybe explain what it is friends of the gdp abroad denyuzhki keep in offshore and family there?
      2. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 10 February 2018 08: 52
        +12
        Quote: Finches
        Vote, it’s for me ... It's funny and a little sad ...!
        It’s funny and sad not from the fact that many will vote for Grudinin, but from the fact that all the same, in the end, they will count the votes as they should.
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 February 2018 08: 58
          +15
          Personally, I really hope so! hi But if I go to vote, I will vote for GDP, my family will vote for GDP, at my department 90% will vote for GDP, surrounded by my friends, comrades, colleagues, somewhere around 80 will vote for GDP! So it is unlikely that your phrase hinting at forgery has a place to be in fact!
          1. Sofa General
            Sofa General 10 February 2018 09: 12
            +29
            As usual, Finches in his statements, half pregnant, half not ...
            Grudinin was nominated by the Communist Party and not only - he is, in fact, a united candidate from the "left". And if you look at things realistically, then Grudinin looks much prettier as a prime minister than a president. Alas, as if I didn’t want to change Putin, no one would allow him to leave this post, otherwise all his friends who would not be able to get down from “this country” would end all.
            So you have nothing to worry about.
            After March 18th, everything will remain the same, well, maybe 1-2 pawns will be removed from edra and that’s all ...
            But the fact that edro and the Putinists have lost the young "electorate" is good. So not all of us have “light from Ivanovo” here ...
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 February 2018 09: 54
              +11
              Who will finish whom? Sofa General .... laughing Navalny, even a miserable bunch of oligophrenics in the country’s area, displays, and modern communists can’t even assemble a normal demonstration even on May Day! Stop waving cardboard sabers on the Internet, this is how you will be determined to go to the barricades so you will see and people will catch up with you! Anika-war for a brighter future, then themselves from its "menacing" is not sick ??
          2. free
            free 10 February 2018 19: 05
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            Personally, I really hope so! hi But if I go to vote, I will vote for GDP, my family will vote for GDP, at my department 90% will vote for GDP, surrounded by my friends, comrades, colleagues, somewhere around 80 will vote for GDP! So it is unlikely that your phrase hinting at forgery has a place to be in fact!

            Do not wishful thinking!
          3. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 10 February 2018 20: 18
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            So it is unlikely that your phrase hinting at forgery has a place to be in fact!

            Do not be cunning, it was in the previous elections, but none of the former PEC members admit this. I will be very glad if this does not happen in these elections.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 February 2018 11: 53
          +15
          Quote: Tatar 174
          It’s funny and sad not from the fact that many will vote for Grudinin, but from the fact that all the same, in the end, they will count the votes as they should.

          then let them wait for festivities.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 21
        +19
        collusion with the State Department
        This is for your idol. He lists money in America.
      4. basmach
        basmach 10 February 2018 09: 52
        +20
        Well, you are here with us, the "Marshal-haste" experience is not just wise, but over-wise. True, they forgot that everything that your life gives you now is laid in the USSR and, most importantly, it is being exploited by you intensively. And you would have returned your diploma. He was received in the USSR. And who are you then?
        There is such a phrase- "Ivan, who does not remember kinship" So you are from this category. You are a mercenary, not an officer.
        By the way, including brains is for you. And then you, as a zombie, believe only one talking head. And by the way, and in what THREE political parties was Grudinin. He was not and is not a member of the Communist Party to this day. He was a member of EP and even a confidant of Putin (and there, unlike you, they understand more who, who not), but he understood the essence of this party and its "leaders" and left on time. Well, people tend to make mistakes in their hopes. The main thing is to realize and take the necessary step in time .. Indeed, as it is written in the Gospel, one repentant sinner is more expensive than two new believers.
        And of course, what you need. There are no arguments, so, a stream of runny emotions. You really don't care like a weather vane (which you are). Always turn in the right direction and bend, if necessary.
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 February 2018 10: 48
          +9
          Another Anika is a warrior! And here the USSR and Grudinin, who under the Union would have been sawing a forest in the Kolyma with a jigsaw for speculation and currency fraud laughing
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 10 February 2018 11: 36
            +22
            And here the USSR
            While Grudinin started as a mechanic and career in the USSR was also to become chairman.
            And here are your Chubais Shuvalov, Dvorkovich ... as if they didn’t fit into the USSR
          2. free
            free 10 February 2018 19: 06
            +8
            Quote: Finches
            Another Anika is a warrior! And here the USSR and Grudinin, who under the Union would have been sawing a forest in the Kolyma with a jigsaw for speculation and currency fraud laughing

            Where would the gdp and others like it be in the Union? And would it be at all?
        2. dSK
          dSK 10 February 2018 11: 51
          +3
          Hello Konstantin!
          Quote: basmach
          left on time.

          If the chameleon Grudinin is offered a post in the government, he will again “repent”.
      5. Evdokim
        Evdokim 10 February 2018 10: 19
        +8
        The current commercial office under the brand of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or Zyuganov and the company, from the beginning traded in the Duma deputy mandates, and now sold the place of the presidential candidate, so for me that these traders are pseudo-communists, that this pseudo-sponsor Grudinin, who bought himself an actual place, causes only one thing disgust, as some scammers for money sing praises to another scammer. hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 11: 55
          +21
          And EP is not a commercial office?
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 10 February 2018 13: 37
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And EP is not a commercial office?

            With a system of voting on "party lists," any party becomes a "commercial office."
      6. Greenwood
        Greenwood 10 February 2018 13: 32
        +14
        Quote: Finches
        and now basically became a communist!
        Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party. From elected from a coalition of left-wing patriotic forces and the Communist Party.
        1. Romey
          Romey 10 February 2018 16: 20
          +7
          Quote: Greenwood
          Quote: Finches
          and now basically became a communist!
          Grudinin is not a member of the Communist Party. From elected from a coalition of left-wing patriotic forces and the Communist Party.

          And right too, colleague! Kvachkov for Grudinin!
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 February 2018 16: 28
            +14
            Quote: romey
            And right too, colleague! Kvachkov for Grudinin!

            Comrade, you are right. hi
            and by first decree, Grudinin promises a pardon of Kvachkov and Barabash with subsequent rehabilitation.
      7. BastaKarapuzik And
        BastaKarapuzik And 10 February 2018 14: 42
        +9
        He may not be a complete unprincipled opportunist, but still you need to carefully look with whom, in what circle his supporters are (may be).
        Zyuganov, in commemorative events, entered into an agreement with Udaltsov, who, I recall, stirred up Bolotnaya with bulkers. Now here is Grudinin, links of one chain however.
        Maybe the Communists will come to the “Maidan” tomorrow along with others ?!
        Uncle Sam will have some joy.
        But the real rally was at Poklonnaya .... Something Zyuganov was not visible there ...
        You need to think about it. Victory is good, but where are the principles?
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 10 February 2018 16: 44
          +7
          BastaKarapuzik And today, 14:42
          But the real rally was at Poklonnaya .... Something Zyuganov was not visible there ...

          He is a pensioner and he is not entitled to pay “workday”, so he didn’t go. laughing
          I have already posted photos of extras on the Puting.
          Here on the "day of national unity"
        2. Sofa General
          Sofa General 10 February 2018 22: 35
          +5
          but still you need to carefully look with whom, in what circle his supporters ended up (may be)

          Will we list the shoals of the "Medvedev government" that Putin's supporters or not?
      8. Giants
        Giants 10 February 2018 15: 46
        +19
        Quote: Finches
        Grudinin ordinary unprincipled opportunist

        Hello, Zyablitsov. I will not enter into a dispute with you - each of us has the right to his point of view, but the truth is that your phrase is ideally suited specifically to Putin. To the lieutenant colonel of the KGB of the USSR, who magically surfaced in Sobchak’s team. It was an unprincipled device on his part. IHMO
    5. vlad66
      vlad66 10 February 2018 10: 13
      +14
      And yes, the desire to vote is not lost. Strange, yes?

      It’s disappeared and has long disappeared, and if the comrade oligarch strawberry crosses with the bulkers and respect for him disappears, just like Zyuganov.
      Personally, it seemed to me that Grudinin in an interview frankly ridiculed about Navalny.

      Well, yes, yes, yes, of course, he’s been a shame. But the electorate, those who are over 18 must still be picked up. bully
      Quote: Sofa General
      Grudinin nominated by the Communist Party and not only - he is, in fact, a united candidate from the "left"

      Exactly George., Exactly, they themselves answered the question — in fact, he is only a united candidate. yes I agree to all 200%, united. So in case of victory, a good fight for the power of Russia is provided yes Yes, and shocks too. Well and most importantly, why Grudinin will not receive the votes of my family, unbridled agitation and advertising yes GOOD PRODUCT does not need advertising. No offense, dear Colleagues, everyone is free to vote for someone he likes. hi
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 10 February 2018 14: 18
        +6
        Vlad66 Today, 10:13
        united. means, and in case of victory, a good fight for the power of Russia is provided

        The distribution of posts and "portfolios" is agreed upon when creating a coalition, and not after a "victory".
    6. MrK
      MrK 10 February 2018 13: 12
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      “Who wanted to vote for Grudinin there?” Have not changed your mind yet? ”

      Burlit outhouse patriotism
      1. dSK
        dSK 10 February 2018 13: 49
        +2
        Quote: Buffoons
        Bulk nonsense or cunning plan Grudinin?
        Good headline. "Radish horseradish is not sweeter". Mighty Russian a language built on the gospel by Cyril and Methodius, everything shines through. Lovers "left options" и "cunning plans" will become left on The Last Judgment and their fate will be unenviable.
    7. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 10 February 2018 16: 50
      +10
      It personally seemed to me that Grudinin, in an interview, frankly scoffed about Navalny. But the result is very.

      Grudinin is also a comedian. It’s enough to recall how he spoke about the Far Eastern hectare laughing

      The most adequate and non-guaranteed from the entire cohort of candidates and with the most adequate program.
  2. free
    free 10 February 2018 06: 48
    +33
    I looked completely. Everything about the case. Nothing strange, the desire to vote for Grudinin did not disappear!
    1. marsel1524
      marsel1524 10 February 2018 07: 00
      +21
      Very strange, I did not have such a desire)))
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 08: 30
        +10
        Quote: marsel1524
        I didn’t have such a desire)))

        For whom did you arise, for Navalny? wink
        1. Height
          Height 10 February 2018 17: 07
          +1
          Here you cannot understand the simple, but advise how to live ...
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 10 February 2018 08: 33
        +4
        I looked completely. Everything about the case. Nothing strange, the desire to vote for Grudinin did not disappear!


        Very strange, I did not have such a desire)))

        smile
        Well, that's completely confused ...
        vote... what
        don't vote ... smile
        vote... what
        don't vote ... what
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 February 2018 11: 55
          +16
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Well, that's completely confused ...

          I suggest to look and unravel laughing drinks
          1. ul_vitalii
            ul_vitalii 10 February 2018 12: 44
            +10
            For one of his 20 steps to vote is not even worth it. Populist. Yavlinsky promised for 400 days and nights, they didn’t choose, but this one either left or right, how many years, decades - silence. And cheeks well inflates, learned.
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 10 February 2018 15: 12
            +3
            Colleague hi
            Thank you for the video!
        2. Siban
          Siban 11 February 2018 09: 08
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Well, that's completely confused ...
          vote... recourse
          don't vote ... yes
          Vasya Oblomov - Who to vote for?
      3. free
        free 10 February 2018 19: 09
        +3
        Quote: marsel1524
        Very strange, I did not have such a desire)))

        Really strange!
  3. apro
    apro 10 February 2018 07: 01
    +27
    The battle of the bulldogs under the carpet is in full swing. Under the carpet, you can’t see who they are chewing and steaming with. What can be done about the political struggle without rules.
    Grudinin is not a present. But a real competitor to the comprador leadership of the Russian Federation.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 February 2018 07: 10
    +14
    And Navalny at the prime minister Grudinin could be, for example, the head of the Accounts Chamber.

    And by whom?!? laughing laughing One also has a voice cut through ... bully
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 10 February 2018 12: 51
      +10
      They will choose the empty-hole, and disintegrate the rest, quickly change over and will be most indignant.
  5. cedar
    cedar 10 February 2018 07: 15
    +19
    Grudinin should not be president, but as the leader of the 5th column of liquidators in Russia, he clearly identified himself.
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    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 10 February 2018 07: 56
      +2
      Quote: cedar
      Grudinin should not be president, but as the leader of the 5th column of liquidators in Russia, he clearly identified himself.

      As an option: they can put "Russian Trump" to collect the accumulated negative politics on themselves. Then come up with the option "reforg" or "impeach" ...
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 10 February 2018 16: 56
        +2
        samarin1969 Today, 07:56
        As an option: they can put "Russian Trump" to collect the accumulated negative politics on themselves. Then come up with the option "reforg" or "impeach" ...

        The option is already being viewed. Look point 19 programs about creating a "state council".
        And something tells me that the "chairman" will not be Zyuganov, but Putin, with the wording - "going to meet the wishes of the broad masses of citizens, given the numerous services ...".
        So far, this is the only thing that keeps me from giving my vote to Grudinin. IMHO
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 10 February 2018 07: 57
      +35
      naivety is the sister of stupidity ...
      half of the country called the "fifth column" ... mdaaa ... this is a clear clinic ...
      apparently you, cedar, with memory are not very .... the liquidators back in the 90s both occupied our "corridors of power" and still roam about them ...
      1. cedar
        cedar 10 February 2018 09: 07
        +10
        Eco dragged you half the country.
    4. free
      free 10 February 2018 07: 59
      +18
      Quote: cedar
      Grudinin should not be president, but as the leader of the 5th column of liquidators in Russia, he clearly identified himself.

      And what is the commitment of the 5 column!
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 10 February 2018 08: 39
        +21
        And what is the commitment of the 5 column!

        Well, "against Putin," well ... Anyone who is against - the "5th column" is unambiguous .... at the "expense" of them ....
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 10 February 2018 10: 09
        +13
        Quote: free
        And what is the commitment of the 5 column!

        laughing Eco you have with memory then!
        2003 year. Khodorkovsky finances the Communist Party in the elections to the Duma.
        2012 year Red-brown May Day

        2016 year Khodorkovsky finances the Communist Party at the Moscow municipal elections
        The most interesting thing is that Americans, liberals, and communists want to blame Putin, what an interesting similarity in desires!
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            1. free
              free 10 February 2018 19: 15
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Sergey- if

              bully Well, my manarchist friend, to this day gays haven’t gotten right for Putin, but Oleg Nikolayevich Smolin, deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the Communist Party, has very good relations with Moscow gays.
              Ingvar, I’m not campaigning for Putin, since I’ve already been 89, I don’t like people with red books who cover up their base business with chatter about eternal brotherhood and justice!
              You make brotherhood and justice in a particular region of the Russian Federation, prove to people that you are the right comrade, so I myself will agitate for him for free !!! hi

              Did the gdp not give them so many freedoms to these s-secs?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 10 February 2018 20: 54
                +6
                Quote: free
                Didn't gdp give them so many freedoms

                laughing You still tell me that GDP has personally collapsed the USSR and immediately sat on the throne!
                In general, you have an interesting logic, if GDP gave freedom to gays, then the Communist Smolin is quite allowed to contain this stash !!! good
                1. free
                  free 10 February 2018 21: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: free
                  Didn't gdp give them so many freedoms

                  laughing You still tell me that GDP has personally collapsed the USSR and immediately sat on the throne!
                  In general, you have an interesting logic, if GDP gave freedom to gays, then the Communist Smolin is quite allowed to contain this stash !!! good

                  And what is enlightened with Smolin? Yes, and how does this excuse the gdp?
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        2. free
          free 10 February 2018 19: 15
          +2
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: free
          And what is the commitment of the 5 column!

          laughing Eco you have with memory then!
          2003 year. Khodorkovsky finances the Communist Party in the elections to the Duma.
          2012 year Red-brown May Day

          2016 year Khodorkovsky finances the Communist Party at the Moscow municipal elections
          The most interesting thing is that Americans, liberals, and communists want to blame Putin, what an interesting similarity in desires!

          A source!?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 10 February 2018 20: 56
            +6
            Quote: free
            A source!?

            What is your source? Mineral or plain drinking?
            1. free
              free 13 February 2018 08: 00
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: free
              A source!?

              What is your source? Mineral or plain drinking?

              It is not solid for an adult to pretend to be a fool.
    5. igordok
      igordok 10 February 2018 08: 53
      +9
      Quote: cedar
      but as the leader of the 5 column of liquidators in Russia, he clearly identified himself.

      Do they lie? He has something to lose (financially). The leader will be someone "beggar", and soul, and in your pocket.
      And for Grudinin, I was not going to vote. There is no place for politics in politics.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 30
        +18
        There is no place for politics in politics.
        and now who?
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 10 February 2018 10: 05
          +6
          and now who?


          "Who, who ...." This one is ......... in a leather coat ..... ("Commissar" ... what do you think? wink )
          1. dSK
            dSK 10 February 2018 18: 12
            +1
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            "Commissar" ... what do you think?

            Commissioner Grudinin. fellow
    6. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 14: 12
      +7
      Do you call the leaders of the first 4 columns? I’m ready to hear. Well?
      1. dSK
        dSK 10 February 2018 18: 20
        +2
        When the Communist Party becomes the ruling party, then Grudinin will become president. wassat
  6. tasha
    tasha 10 February 2018 07: 41
    +12
    Roman, when writing this article, you hurried, I think so .. A set of phrases of some kind ...

    What is the trouble with this election? In a clear contrast between P. Grudinin and V. Putin ... You read other comments, so you get the feeling that when the supporters of a particular candidate meet, the verbal confrontation will turn into a banal scuffle ... Some idolaters ...

    Most likely, P. Grudinin is really a worthy candidate. But with such a program (although I agree with some points) - I am not interested in it for sure. Have you watched the magnificent film "Ordinary Fascism" by M. Romm? "Promise, promise ... Promise ..."
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 10 February 2018 08: 51
      +13
      Quote: tasha
      What is the trouble with this election? In a clear contrast between P. Grudinin and V. Putin ...

      There is no obvious juxtaposition of personalities. There are different points of view on the path of development of Russia, about its past. Therefore, involuntarily, and there is a discussion of only two personalities. More precisely, one.
      But, progress in the discussions is evident! Already switched from "washing dirty laundry" to:
      Quote: Knowing
      Greed, Cynicism, Unprincipledness — that’s the Communist Party of our time ..

      Quote: cedar
      Grudinin should not be President, but as the leader of the 5th column of liquidators in Russia, he clearly identified

      Quote: Boris55
      We will not let the Communist Party, as the heiress of the late Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed the USSR, destroy Russia!


      PS Mr. "Knowing." And why the Soviet flag, not the king? Feel like an agent in the camp of enemies?
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 10 February 2018 10: 11
        +1
        Born in the USSR!
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 10 February 2018 12: 53
          +6
          Quote: Knowing
          Born in the USSR!

          Be proud that you were born in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and an adversary of socialism, a supporter of capitalism? "The works of the Lord are wonderful!"
          Quote: Boris55
          Have you heard a thread about seven-boyars? And where are they?

          Have you heard anything about the "gray cardinals"?
          Quote: romey
          Roman is right. Putin has already lost youth with a bang. Neither Nashi, nor the Young Guard, nor all sorts of Territories of Meaning with other Surkov sculptures helped. Slowly but surely losing the middle and older generation. As a result, the accumulation of critical mass for a social explosion is simply inevitable.

          I think that you are wrong. The younger generation has grown up in the bulk, apolitical, not without our non-participation in raising children and whose consciousness can be manipulated. Here are a couple of examples:
          Quote: Boris55
          There is a country that he has made great in the international arena and which he will have to make great inside the country. He can do it and he has proved it in practice.

          Quote: Mestny
          Has an increase in retirement age already taken place? Education has stopped teaching and health care is a cure?

          Quote: AleBors
          I won’t go to vote at all.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 34
      +25
      Promise, promise ... Promise.
      you about it?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 10 February 2018 10: 47
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        you about it?

        You know, and I don’t remember what he would say. Your fantasies do not need to be attributed to Putin.
        And by the way, even from your fantasies - Russia has become a superpower, and factories throughout Russia open almost every week.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 12: 04
          +13
          Boris - jobs in the open with the number of those laid off in closed comparable?
          1. tasha
            tasha 10 February 2018 12: 27
            +8
            Why compare?
            Even the repeatedly mentioned unfortunate hedgehog understands that over the past fifteen years much more could have been done. That, for example, if you appoint the head of a region, comrade / Mr. Ingvar with fire in your heart and Zlotnikov instead of the bible, give him extraordinary powers, give him a Mauser, then in these fifteen years he would have made candy from this region ... Well, he would have shot I’ve broken some firewood here and there ... Everyday matter ... wink Do not be angry, this is something drinks

            This is not the point. Corruption, theft, bureaucracy are going wild. We all understand the need for change. The whole question, at what price and at what price. The program and candidacy of P. Grudinin is populism and a sweetie for idiots. I won the president with such a program - I do not need ...
            1. tasha
              tasha 10 February 2018 12: 58
              +5
              P.N.Grudinin, as I think, should first be replaced by G.A. Zyuganov as leader of the Communist Party. We would show ourselves, we would look at him, listen ...
              1. ul_vitalii
                ul_vitalii 10 February 2018 13: 30
                +9
                Change something for something, only lose time, give Grudinin a post after the election, let him show himself, Yavlinsky was offered, refused. The party will be led by a penny, as they say, which was required to prove.
              2. free
                free 10 February 2018 19: 17
                +2
                Quote: tasha
                P.N.Grudinin, as I think, should first be replaced by G.A. Zyuganov as leader of the Communist Party. We would show ourselves, we would look at him, listen ...

                Time is playing against us!
                1. tasha
                  tasha 10 February 2018 20: 15
                  0
                  Time is playing against us!

                  I almost agree. If you sit and wait until someone comes there and put things in order ...
                  I would wait for what V.V. Putin will say. Maybe happy than wink
                  1. free
                    free 10 February 2018 20: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: tasha
                    Time is playing against us!

                    I almost agree. If you sit and wait until someone comes there and put things in order ...
                    I would wait for what V.V. Putin will say. Maybe happy than wink

                    Waste your time.
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 10 February 2018 21: 10
                      +1
                      Better to wait than to rush towards everyone who beckons with a finger. Do not catch fleas ...
                      You, with the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs regarding the judges, hurried up and something ugly happened ...
                      1. free
                        free 13 February 2018 08: 04
                        +1
                        I didn’t read the law, it’s true, I saw it in the news. Maybe I hastened to evaluate it, but in fact it doesn’t change anything. The system has rotted and it smells like carrion!
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 17: 24
              +6
              I’ve read Zlotnik! I agree with the methods? And about the populist, in vain, the program is real. And the state farm is the same real.
          2. Boris55
            Boris55 10 February 2018 14: 01
            +5
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Boris - jobs in the open with the number of those laid off in closed comparable?

            Would you like me to find 1999 unemployment data and compare it with today's unemployment? laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 February 2018 17: 27
              +5
              And the data for 1980 is weak to present to comparison?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 10 February 2018 18: 51
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And the data for 1980 is weak to present to comparison?

                Would you like to compare the world's first economy of developed socialism with the economy of Russia recovering from the collapse of the state? And do you think that such a comparison will be fair?
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 11 February 2018 08: 12
                  +4
                  Quote: Boris55
                  with the economy recovering from the collapse of the state of Russia?
                  For 18 years, the state could fully recover and make a breakthrough. There are many examples in history. There is enough time. Or will our state until the year 2150 will depart from the 90s?
                  1. seos
                    seos 11 February 2018 11: 36
                    +1
                    The state could not recover and make a breakthrough, because the people in power are those appointed by Yeltsin and the oligarchs (all the officials are anointed, and there are about a million of them and nobody can replace them) ... and they will not give up their power to the situation as in Moldova there is a president he has no power ... The fact that Putin for 18 years could not take power into his own hands is a problem, but there is no chance of anyone else taking power at all and cannot be (absolute 0%)
                    Do you dream that Grudinin will restore order? he will either obey the oligarchs or he will be slammed because he has no power agents, there is no one to rely on ... the president as a figure has no power and power without reliance on "his people."
                    At the moment, Putin has security forces, has friends and proteges in leadership positions, and there is the necessary amount of power and support from the people ...
                    The funny thing is that the liberals accuse Putin of having put his friends in leading posts ... Is it so meager that you have to be able to push such accusations? How can one take power in a country without having proteges in leading posts? An example is the naive president of Moldova who thought that the people would protect him .... from traitors in the government ...
                    1. Freeman
                      Freeman 11 February 2018 14: 05
                      0
                      seos Today, 11:36
                      The funny thing is that the liberals accuse Putin of having put his friends in leading posts ... Is it so meager that you have to be able to push such accusations? How can one take power in a country without having proteges in leading posts? An example is the naive president of Moldova who thought that the people would protect him .... from traitors in the government ...

                      Using the example of the President of Moldova, Igor Dodon, you just showed what happens when the president leaves the party that nominated him, claiming that he allegedly relies "on the whole people."
                      “This means that the head of the Moldovan state, Igor Dodon, will not be a member of the party and will not represent a political formation, but citizens of the Republic of Moldova. The president should represent all citizens: those on the left and those on the right who voted for my political opponent, ”Igor Dodon emphasized.

                      Apparently, inspired by the example of Putin, he also decided to rule with the help of trusted people at key posts.
                      Having left the party, he became a "nobody" - for which he is now being "beaten." IMHO
                2. free
                  free 14 February 2018 09: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And the data for 1980 is weak to present to comparison?

                  Would you like to compare the world's first economy of developed socialism with the economy of Russia recovering from the collapse of the state? And do you think that such a comparison will be fair?

                  It’s absolutely true because; the people are the same, the rulers in power are 17 years old, those who killed the Union are now in the government, so let's see what they led the people and the country to.
        2. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 14: 22
          +11
          And remember that GDP was against usurpation of power. Two terms and that’s all. And then I rewrote the constitution.
          1. Romey
            Romey 10 February 2018 16: 48
            +2
            That's what a lawyer means! All procedures are complied with. One character from Roman history came to mind - Gnei Pompey Magn. This comrade was also known as a master of undercover intrigue and would not mind becoming the Roman king himself. The main thing is to follow the procedure. And it seems like all the resources for this were: and popularity among the people, influence on the Senate, the glory of the invincible commander, and most importantly, friendship with two influential colleagues - Crassus and Caesar. But bad luck, at one point I lost my sense of reality, and where did all its advantages go? It turned out that not a single trace of popular love or army authority was left, and his relative and accomplice Caesar sawed him to zero under cover intrigues. It is very similar to our current Pompey with the difference that Caesar from his friends is not visible from the word at all.
            1. dSK
              dSK 10 February 2018 18: 36
              0
              Quote: romey
              his friends are not visible from the word at all.


              Early "Share the skin of the undead BEAR."
              1. Romey
                Romey 10 February 2018 18: 53
                +5
                I'm afraid after these witches there will be nothing to share. So, do not be afraid that Grudinin is robbing us. Everything has already been stolen before him.
                1. dSK
                  dSK 10 February 2018 20: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: romey
                  don't be afraid that Grudinin robbing us
                  This is what I am most afraid of. There are still many resources in Russia, but they are not endless.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 10 February 2018 20: 12
                  +4
                  It would have happened so that in general there were no salaries and pensions - as well as without bank savings - throughout the country.
                  1. allaykbar
                    allaykbar 11 February 2018 13: 02
                    +3
                    Vadim, you have something to lose, and there are enough of those who could not realize themselves and blame Medvedev for this.

                    Do not admit to yourself that sitting on a forum and spreading wet dreams does not improve one’s life

                    they are waiting for the strawberry president, who, together with Khodarkovsky, will lead the country to a brighter future and 15 rubles for gas

                    A bulk is a cunning plan - at first they said that it was a cunning plan of Putin - now Grudinin gave out a cunning plan in an interview

                    So they quickly bungled the article - they tried to answer the question - why, but it turned out clumsily

                    And sterner still blabs - there will be a myriad of such articles whitewashing) because the candidate stock is more than stupid
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    1. free
      free 10 February 2018 07: 57
      +19
      Quote: Knowing
      Well, apparently, the supporters of the multi-billionaire are helping him with money for the company, because the comrades Grudininiso tearfully asks the People (who, according to their words, have been robbed by the comprador authorities) to save "who can (physical person no more than 6 lyamas; legal liv no more than 28 lyamas !!!). And they will translate, and certainly not money "bags", but grandfathers and grandmothers who still believe in the infallibility of the Communists .. Ostap Bender nervously smokes with his own "union of the sword and screaming ... Greed, Cynicism, Unscrupulousness - here is the Communist Party of our time ... see https://kprf.ru/activity/elections/172013.html

      That's right, only substitute Edro instead of the Communist Party.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 37
      +22
      Greed, Cynicism, Unprincipled
      When your own, which the president does not give up, appoint themselves a salary of millions, and on TV at that time, give a pretty penny for treatment. You about it.
      For all opponents of Pavel Nikolayevich, when you blame him for something, at least look back, who are you defending?
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    3. saigon
      saigon 10 February 2018 11: 00
      +4
      Yes, the grandmothers and grandfathers of Mr. ZYu and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are already sending a bitter garden vegetable, and many are obscene, while the most evil ones also remember Stalin.
      This is so shit in the pocket of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as Zyuganov did with such a candidate!
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  8. Knowing
    Knowing 10 February 2018 08: 00
    +8
    By the way, I would very much like to know from Grudinin and Navalny who they are for which 2nd or 3rd International ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 10 February 2018 08: 23
      +8
      They directly write: “Grudilin is their president” and do not give a damn about them all of us.
      I recalled an old joke: The Red Army men were walking along the street and singing - We would boldly go to battle. Jews leaning in the tail of the column - And we are yours. The Red Army - And as one die. Jews scattering along the alleys - We didn’t get there ...
      We will not let the Communist Party, as the heiress of the late Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed the USSR, destroy Russia!
      1. populist
        populist 10 February 2018 08: 40
        +24
        Boris55
        We will not let the Communist Party, as the heiress of the late Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed the USSR, destroy Russia!

        A bit wrong hi The heir to the late CPSU is EdRo. wink
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 February 2018 08: 42
          +8
          Quote: populist
          The heir to the late CPSU is EdRo.

          In the Core, these are the former first secretaries, but the second, etc., are the Communist Party. At the top of the pyramid in all places is not enough. So the first and went to the democrats, and the rest as if against them. In general, "Raven will not peck out the crow", otherwise, if the Communist Party really threatened the coexistence of EP, it would have long been banned.
          1. populist
            populist 10 February 2018 09: 08
            +13
            if the Communist Party really threatened the coexistence of EP, it would have long been banned.

            Badly follow the events. And they banned - 1991-1993, and tried to substitute - Rybkin, Semigin, LDPR, "Communists of Russia", "Fair Russia" and many other things ... But nothing came of it.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 February 2018 09: 11
              +1
              Quote: populist
              But nothing came of them.

              Did not work out or agreed? laughing
              1. populist
                populist 10 February 2018 11: 14
                +11
                Boris55
                Did not work out or agreed?

                If agreed, there would be no presidential candidate Grudinin. Grudinin rival for power is extremely uncomfortable. He has real achievements. Only on Grudinin the pro-government media poured mud tubs. The remaining candidates are not touched.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: populist
                  He has real achievements.

                  Poroshenko has the same thing. Do you want Russia the fate of Ukraine?
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 10 February 2018 12: 11
                    +20
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Poroshenko has the same thing. Do you want Russia the fate of Ukraine?

                    Stop raving! We want to avoid this, and you are voting for this Putin team
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 22
                      +5
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Stop raving!

                      Putin has yet to deal with internal affairs, and I assure you that order will be put in place.
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      We want to avoid this,

                      But didn’t we already escape the fate of Ukraine under Putin? And Grudilin, as the president of Russia, does not contribute to the approach of the Maidan in Russia?
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      and you vote for this Putin team

                      This team was formed long before Putin.
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 10 February 2018 12: 29
                        +20
                        only to do business
                        that is, for 18 years he was getting ready to do something and finally got ready.
                        Here are 18 years old 1923-1941 or 1945-1963
                        And now that he took the country from Yeltsin with the far-closed collective farms and factories and closed them.
                      2. Boris55
                        Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        that is, for 18 years he was getting ready to do something and finally got ready.

                        When the house is about to fall apart, you will not be able to rearrange the furniture inside it. In my opinion, we have already discussed this issue.
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 10 February 2018 12: 38
                        +21
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Putin has yet to deal with internal affairs, and I assure you that order will be put in place.

                        You NODovtsov even lei in the eyes laughing
                        Discard this conspiracy theology, there will be nothing.
                        There will be further stagnation, degradation and extinction of the people, up to 50 million people designated by the curators.
                    2. seos
                      seos 11 February 2018 15: 00
                      0
                      These people were created by Yeltsin in the saints of the 90s ... and how Yeltsin spoke beautifully in the 91st ... now I would have won the election ... I would have won 100% ...
                2. Boris55
                  Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: populist
                  If agreed, there would be no presidential candidate Grudinin.

                  Can you imagine what will happen when the first (EP) and second (Communist Party) former secretaries completely usurp power in the country? And I guess - there will be 90s ...
                  1. Vladivostok1969
                    Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 15: 30
                    +5
                    Quote: Boris55
                    The positive results of his activities for the country are quite obvious. So why change the class manager, who has actually proved his usefulness for the country, to change to unknown who?

                    Well, it’s a very controversial statement. I’m obviously quite different. Let’s be more specific. At least in numbers
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 10 February 2018 16: 04
                      +9
                      Quote: Vladivostok1969
                      Well, it’s a very controversial statement. I’m obviously quite different. Let’s be more specific. At least in numbers

                      Please! You are a senior citizen. About retirees. wink
                      “Last year, the share of the real estate market was 23% owned by representatives of the older generation. It is noteworthy that in 2016 this share was only 5%.
                      https://riafan.ru/1020260-rossiiskie-pensionery-m
                      assovo-skupayut-kommercheskie-pomesheniya-dlya-ot
                      krytiya-biznesa? utm_medium = cpc & utm_source = len
                      tainform & utm_campaign = riafan.ru & utm_term =
                      1272146s1640 & utm_content = 6003958
                      The well-being of retirees is growing! Ah, why? The president promised.
                      "... Russian President Vladimir Putin has promised to increase payments to Russian pensioners. The first indexation of a part of the pension above the inflation rate should happen on February 1, 2018. From April 1, payments will increase again, but for retirees."
                      To complete the picture in numbers:
                      "According to the iReactor information portal, currently working pensioners do not receive an increase due to indexation of pensions. For them, additional pension points are accrued,
                      The Pension Fund plans to recalculate the size of pensions for working pensioners in August 2018. Nevertheless, the FIU warns that recalculation can be a maximum of three points, which does not exceed 250 rubles. "
                      For each working pensioner, the employer makes deductions in the amount of 22 percent of his salary.

                      Source: https://rueconomics.ru/302414-vyyasnilos-kak-bude
                      t-osushchestvlen-pereschet-pensii-rabotayushchim-
                      pensioneram # from_copy
                      It turns out that the pension fund receives a month more from me, a working pensioner, than it can pay. THEN a year for points.
                      You are not obvious President’s concern in numbers? wink
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 10 February 2018 16: 21
                        +13
                        Comrade hi
                        You have a wonderful quote
                        Quote: There was a mammoth
                        “Last year, the share of the real estate market was 23% owned by representatives of the older generation. It is noteworthy that in 2016 this share was only 5%.
                        https://riafan.ru/1020260-rossiiskie-pensionery-m

                        From this we can conclude that the other pensioners simply died.
                        This is the president’s concern for pensioners.
                      2. Vladivostok1969
                        Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 16: 56
                        +6
                        I hope to become a pensioner. But I think that Stroporez intelligibly answered you
                        And it's time for you to DIE laughing .
        2. free
          free 10 February 2018 19: 20
          +8
          Quote: populist
          Boris55
          We will not let the Communist Party, as the heiress of the late Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed the USSR, destroy Russia!

          A bit wrong hi The heir to the late CPSU is EdRo. wink

          So Boris even pisses in the eyes of all God's dew!
      2. Romey
        Romey 10 February 2018 09: 00
        +16
        Quote: Knowing
        By the way, I would very much like to know from Grudinin and Navalny, for which 2nd or 3rd International

        No way ... Grudinin was nominated by the Communist Party and it is only natural that he performs the party anthem. Although I personally do not like this, it is pleasant for my colleagues in the left. And there is no political sense in refusing to do so, since there is no point at all in the Grudinin program on the proletarian revolution, especially the world revolution. And against the Russian version of socialism, taking into account the mistakes of the past (after all, there is Chinese socialism, there is Vietnamese socialism, there is Scandinavian socialism) I have nothing against ...

        Quote: Boris55
        They directly write: “Grudilin is their president” and do not give a damn about them all of us.

        If the government spits on the people, then it is quite natural for the people to spit on it. Bad calls are more than enough. One inevitable increase in retirement age and a mess in education and health care are worth it. And yet, yes, why should I consider Putin as my president? I voted for him only in 2000, vainly hoping for a change of course and a rejection of Yeltsinism. More than once. And therefore, since the Grudinin program meets many of my aspirations, it is only natural that Grudinin is my president.

        Quote: Boris55
        We will not let the Communist Party, as the heiress of the late Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed the USSR, destroy Russia!

        Dear friends! Edro, a worsened copy of the late CPSU and its dear Leonid Ilyich plus his beloved friends Medvedev, Shuvalov, Dvorkovichi. Chubais (remember, Chebrikov, Shevarnadze, Kapitonov ... laughing ) together with you, will do it much faster and more efficiently ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 February 2018 09: 14
          0
          Quote: romey
          Grudinin’s program corresponds to many of my aspirations, it is only natural that Grudinin is my president.

          I even remembered ... How the EP and the Communist Party divorced Pinocchio:
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 10 February 2018 09: 18
          +3
          Quote: romey
          If the government spits on the people, then it is quite natural for the people to spit on it.

          You are mistaken. The people every year more and more actively and more actively vote for EP.
          1. Romey
            Romey 10 February 2018 09: 50
            +21
            I have a completely different opinion. From the point of view of a simply curious observer, if 10 years ago to Putin personally, the opinion of those around was more positive (and even then, given the fact that I was still serving, and those around me were military people, restrained by the language and emotions of this plan ), now it’s rather the opposite. Among my fellow villagers and colleagues, supporters of Putin and especially Edra, only a couple of people came across. The last outbreak of Putin's popularity (but again not Edra) was in 2014, amid post-Olympic euphoria and Crimea. But it quickly faded away in 2015-16. against the backdrop of inconsistency between the rhetoric of the president and specific actions. And at the mention of Edra, there were practically no characteristics from the side of the population that could be laid out here because they are extremely obscene ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 February 2018 09: 56
              +5
              Quote: romey
              I have a completely different opinion.

              From the EP that Putin once created, practically nothing was left. It was for this reason that he then went to the polls with the ONF and is now going on as an independent.
              Independent - this means neither owes anything to anyone, except the people who elected him. And to whom and what will Grudilin owe, coming from four such conflicting parties? So it will turn out like in a fable: “Once a swan has pike with cancer ...” Very reluctant to be in the role of a pike ...
              1. Romey
                Romey 10 February 2018 10: 20
                +18
                Boris, do not tell my sneakers. EP, as it was a party of a symbiosis of bureaucracy and the oligarchy, has remained so. ONF from the same song, against the background of the negative image of the EP, an attempt was made to rebrand, failed just like all Putin's initiatives. About the "independent" also from the program "Around the laughter." Putin, as he was, only owed it to the oligarchy, who, in order to save himself, pushed him instead of the drunk in 99, diluting it with his friends for cosmetic purposes, which does not change the essence. And in the case of Grudinin, not the sign is important, but the program. And if he fulfills it by at least a third, then this will be a colossal breakthrough. And I consider our main slogan: "From Putin's words to the Grudinin case!"
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 10 February 2018 10: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: romey
                  Putin was and remains to be owed only to the oligarchy

                  Have you heard a thread about seven-boyars? And where are they?
                  Quote: romey
                  in order to save himself, he pushed him instead of the drunk in 99,

                  The purpose of his nomination was an attempt to blame all the responsibility for the collapse of Russia on him.
                  Quote: romey
                  And in the case of Grudinin, not the sign is important, but the program.

                  They all have the same program - for everything good, against everything bad.
                  Quote: romey
                  And I consider our main slogan: "From Putin's words to the Grudinin case!"

                  But in fact, you’re just calling for something completely different: "From the real affairs of Putin, to the promises of Grudilin." Have you already taken the queue for lace panties?
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 10 February 2018 11: 40
                    +14
                    And where are they?
                    Rottenberg-two, Shamalov, Timchenko, Kovalchuk, Fursenko, and came with the current president, much more than seven
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      came with the current president, far more than seven

                      There were more of them and they came along with the collapse of the USSR at EBN.
                  2. Freeman
                    Freeman 10 February 2018 17: 40
                    +10
                    Boris55 Today, 10:40
                    Have you heard a thread about seven-boyars? And where are they?

                    Friedman, Aven and Potanin, from the "seven-bankers" - live and do not cough, which is what you want.
                    They simply "gobbled up" the former "partners" - "Nothing personal, just business."
                  3. avia1991
                    avia1991 10 February 2018 21: 06
                    +11
                    Quote: Boris55
                    "From the real affairs of Putin, to the promises of Grudilin."

                    From what "real affairs", tell me? The export of capital is increasing at a rather slow pace, there is no development of the heavy industry, shipbuilding, aircraft building are only in the interests of the Moscow Region, and then with a scratch, electronically, the domestic element base MUST BE developed by the 10th year - is it ideal? People’s salaries “grow” only on paper: I have already given an example, as from the 13th year, after a three-fold increase in salaries, teachers began to receive LESS money! Moreover, inflation after the 13th year did not stand still, right? Education is dying, health care too, resources continue to flow to the West .. Yamal-LNG - whose office? What are the Chinese doing there - can you tell? And the tanker "Christophe de Margerie" - WHOSE? Which port is assigned, what flag does it go under? !!
                    If you are for these - and many others - “Putin’s real affairs”, then you are against the people of Russia. I admit that you are blind and naive, but this does not change the essence. Grudinin at least declares his desire to change the current state of affairs - Putin also pronounces yet another “endorsement” to the pro-Western DAM cabinet, and to the nominee Gref Nae ... biullina, wife of the HSE rector, by the way, where they successfully stamp the so-called “effective managers” like Maksik Oreshkina! Do you vote for the continuation of this bacchanalia? Then most of you are clearly out of the way.
              2. dSK
                dSK 10 February 2018 20: 42
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                Grudinin coming from foursuch conflicting parties? So it will turn out like in a fable: "Once a swan with pike cancer ..."
                Even adding all the “blue”, “pink”, and other feminists to his allies, Grudinin will fly out in the first round, there will be no second. angry
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 10 February 2018 20: 48
                  +8
                  Quote: dsk
                  Grudinin will fly out in the first round, there will be no second

                  You are worse off if that happens. Then in a year or two you will be broadcasting about how you were mistaken about the need for change! It will only be too late ... though ... it might be nice for you to live on the salary of the Kremlin. But personally, I would be sick of such a life bully
              3. avia1991
                avia1991 10 February 2018 21: 20
                +9
                Quote: Boris55
                It was for this reason that he then went to the polls with the ONF and is now going on as an independent.

                He doesn’t go on his own, but because he understands perfectly well: to show his sympathy for a party that is completely rotten, saturated with money and corruption, is guaranteed to lose! The same story is happening with the ONF: completely discrediting in the eyes of the Russians, outright mockery of the citizens who sincerely wanted to somehow restore order.
                Nobody says Putin is a du-cancer. But many have seen his sight, and these maneuvers will not greatly help him raise his authority.
                Quote: Boris55
                Independent - this means neither who nor what should
                But this is no longer ridiculous, because he behaves like this: "Who should I, citizens? What I want - I will do it! And who doesn’t like it - we will declare those in the media as enemies, liberals, the 5th column - and them no one will listen! "
                Your continuation regarding the “people who have chosen” - this, indeed, is ridiculous! laughing And childishly naive .. About the "people" is usually remembered just before the election - which is what we observe in recent weeks! And on March 19, if Putin crawls into the next six years, they will simply forget about people like you.
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 10 February 2018 10: 49
              +4
              Quote: romey
              amid inconsistency between the president’s rhetoric and concrete actions

              From this place in more detail, which particular discrepancies confuse you?
          2. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 15: 31
            +8
            Sir. Are you an addict?
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 10 February 2018 16: 01
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: romey
              If the government spits on the people, then it is quite natural for the people to spit on it.

              You are mistaken. The people every year more and more actively and more actively vote for EP.

              Quote: Vladivostok1969
              Sir. Are you an addict?

              In the recent elections to the State Duma, statements against EP were carried almost from "every iron."
              As a result of the elections, EP received constitutional majority.
              Anto how, your mother,
              Sorry to understand?

              © Author: L. A. Filatov

              request
              1. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 17: 18
                +2
                Well, I just know that you have been screening Leonid Filatov in vain .. This monologue was voiced on the other side. Do not even argue.
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman 10 February 2018 17: 52
                  +3
                  Vladivostok1969 Today, 17:18
                  This monologue was voiced on the other side. Don't even argue.

                  No, this monologue is dedicated to us all.
                  We, as law-abiding citizens, are forced to agree with the voiced results of the elections, since the "technology to drain the protest" by our government has already been developed.
                  Technology "those in power" to "drain" protests. First, it was tested at the Manege - pulled the Natsik. Then they brought up the “mink opposition” to Sakharov. Then on the “Swamp” with the help of “radicals”. And as the apotheosis - they showed us the "Maidan." © Volnoper
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 11 February 2018 04: 27
                +7
                Quote: Freeman
                As a result of the elections, EP received a constitutional majority

                And how did she get it, can you tell me? ..
                I will give you some facts.
                To Yaroslavl "specialists" arrived from Moscowengaged in tight process control. Verbal instructions were given to all advertisers: "To refuse, under any pretext, to all, except for the EP, in the placement of advertising campaigns." The consequences were indicated bluntly: "Do you want to continue working? Then do what they say!"
                All state employees were given "recommendations" on the issue of whom to vote for. The management of these enterprises was warned of a possible resignation "in the event of an incorrect vote."
                On local TV and radio, there was "quiet and smooth" about the opposition.
                On the ring road, they urgently “smeared” fresh asphalt, despite the fact that repairs were required several years ago. And the media in every way covered this and similar "acts", as the initiative of EdRa. Asphalt, by the way, has already increased, rutting has appeared, cracking ... still - in a hurry, is it done qualitatively?
                Etc., etc. And this picture is not only in Yaroslavl: in the surrounding areas it was the same, then I don’t know for sure - but I doubt the strong difference.
                And now attention is the question: What did the "constitutional majority" of the EP in the Duma give us - the country? How much benefit did this numerous faction of "people's representatives" bring to the people? If you have something to say, list, pliz? And then something with my own eyes I do not see anything at point blank .. you can’t get into eyesight - I have excellent tongue
                PS By the way, after the election, no one asked who they voted for - most are NOT for EdRo! Where did this “majority” come from? request
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman 11 February 2018 14: 26
                  0
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Quote: Freeman
                  As a result of the elections, EP received a constitutional majority

                  And how did she get it, can you tell me? ..
                  I will give you some facts.
                  .................................................
                  .................
                  And now attention is the question: What did the "constitutional majority" of the EP in the Duma give us - the country? How much benefit did this numerous faction of "people's representatives" bring to the people? If you have something to say, list, pliz? And then something with my own eyes I do not see anything at point blank .. you can’t get into eyesight - I have excellent tongue
                  PS By the way, after the election, no one asked who they voted for - most are NOT for EdRo! Where did this “majority” come from? request

                  Well, why now this "cry of Yaroslavna"?
                  Where is your Yaroslavl "Sakharov Avenue"? Has anyone protested?
                  How the Moscow protest was "leaked", I have already described.
                  And where are your Minins and Pozharsky? No?
                  But HOLMANSKY is.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 11 February 2018 21: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Freeman
                    And where are your Minins and Pozharsky? No?

                    That is, do you still propose a revolution? For the indicated Russians were by no means led a peaceful protest wink But they fought against the Poles, and not against their own .. however, the current ruling elite of the majority are definitely not “their own”.
                    Let's wait until the election - let's look at the result bully
                    1. Freeman
                      Freeman 12 February 2018 20: 07
                      0
                      avia1991 Yesterday, 21:39 PM
                      That is, do you still propose a revolution? For the indicated Russians were by no means led a peaceful protest

                      Well, I can offer Gapon, that kind of "meek" was. wassat
                      But in general, why in any legal protest of citizens, in the form of rallies and demonstrations, our "authorities" immediately see "riots"?

                      May Day demonstration in Tiflis. 1901 Art. W. M. Japaridze. 1939–1941 (Gmig)
      3. Sofa General
        Sofa General 10 February 2018 09: 17
        +22
        They directly write: “Grudilin is their president” and do not give a damn about them all of us.

        insanity .. so those who write "Putin is our president" do not spit on everyone else?
        Grudinin even has a program - and what does Putin have? Only the slogan: if not me, will it be worse?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 February 2018 09: 23
          +3
          Quote: Sofa General
          and what does Putin have?

          There is a country that he has made great in the international arena and which he will have to make great inside the country. He can do it and he has proved it in practice. Grudilin is blah, blah, blah - no more. The Communists had a majority in parliament and the fact that our life is what it is is their merit, it was they who adopted such laws ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 February 2018 12: 16
            +19
            Quote: Boris55
            There is a country that he has made great in the international arena

            You keep on burning!
            You can now watch one of the international permalogs in Korea under a white rag.
            You can be proud.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              You can now watch one of the international permalogs in Korea.

              And this is the same result highlighting our entire comprador elite with which we have to do something.
              1. free
                free 10 February 2018 19: 22
                +7
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: Stroporez
                You can now watch one of the international permalogs in Korea.

                And this is the same result highlighting our entire comprador elite with which we have to do something.

                Who is the chief of this compad elite?
              2. Sofa General
                Sofa General 10 February 2018 22: 41
                +8
                Boris55

                And this is the same result highlighting our entire comprador elite with which we have to do something.


                After the reunification of Crimea - even if Putin decided to have sex on the roof of the mausoleum - no one would say a word against him. He had so much trust from the people - that more than enough. Why is nothing done with the elite? Does he not believe in people? To Army? Is he afraid of his former colleagues? The oligarchs? Whom? Or maybe something else?
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 11 February 2018 05: 10
                  +9
                  Quote: Sofa General
                  Why is nothing done with the elite? Does he not believe in people? To Army? Is he afraid of his former colleagues? The oligarchs? Whom? Or maybe something else?
                  And you recall the chronology of events - it will immediately become clear. Putin swam in popular admiration for only a month. Before the events of May 2, 2014, he “disappeared” from all broadcasts and the media, and only drew on May 7, at the final press conference with specially arrived in Moscow OSCE Chairman Mr. Didier Burkhalter, who was also the President of Switzerland .. do you have any associations with this name?
                  So, from this - exactly from this! - At the moment, Putin’s rhetoric regarding Donbass and its support has changed 180 degrees. Draw your own conclusions.
                  1. Sofa General
                    Sofa General 11 February 2018 07: 45
                    +7
                    avia1991
                    Yes, I remember that moment very well. I’m just very interested in how the Zaputinists will comment on this fact
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 11 February 2018 21: 41
                      +3
                      Quote: Sofa General
                      as this fact "zaputintsy" will comment

                      They don’t comment on him at all - they pretend that everything was in order wassat
            2. BastaKarapuzik And
              BastaKarapuzik And 10 February 2018 15: 16
              +3
              Quote: Stroporez
              You can now watch one of the international permalogs in Korea under a white rag.

              And what do you want? If there is such a split in society, some rave about the return of socialism, others “pray” to the so-called “developed countries”. Still others dream of the return of the monarchy.
              How much can you? It's time to stop it. We need to find common ground.
              So far, such a point for the opposition, alas, is the desire to "dump" Putin. (despite the fact that more than 80% vote for him).
              The natural point of contact should be Russia!
              But do not think that it will become a world leader while citizens have such a mess in their heads ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 10 February 2018 15: 32
                +12
                Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                And what do you want? If there is such a split in society, some rave about the return of socialism, others “pray” to the so-called “developed countries”. Still others dream of the return of the monarchy.

                In fact, if we discard verbal husks, people want to live humanly, no matter what .. "ism" is not called.
                From my point of view, Grudini in this sense is the most suitable candidate.
                Putin works according to the “divide and rule” formula, while Grudini, on the contrary, wants to consolidate society. Under this idea, a government of public trust has already been formed.
                I will give you a simple example, in VO people with different worldviews, and we often "did srach", for example with the monarchists, but now we have cast aside our differences. The same thing will happen during the construction of a new people's state, and its own polit. Exercises we will conduct with beer in the kitchen, and not on the barricades hi .
                1. BastaKarapuzik And
                  BastaKarapuzik And 10 February 2018 18: 48
                  +2
                  People have different ideas of what it means to live humanly.
                  You can rot alive with seemingly complete material contentment.
                  The Soviet Union lost the role of an ideological leader at a time when “satisfying the material needs of the population” became almost the only declared goal of the leadership. And when, this very population saw that in the notorious West, the standard of living often turns out to be higher than in the Union (and we remember that this mentioned standard of living, this is “the most important” important), then everything fell apart.
                  And here comes Grudinin for the presidency. Chances are something at the level of Zyuganov or even lower.
                  What is he declaring? - "raising the standard of living ... blah, blah, blah .."
                  Ugh.
                  Putin has been in politics for a very long time, many agreements are kept in personal contact, even international ones. To experiment with the replacement of the head of state is unknown to whom? Yes, even in such a crucial period ???
                  Well, Putin does not work on the principle of divide and rule. If it were not for Putin’s personality, the Russian Federation might not have been on the world map at all.
                  Is it really forgotten that the subjects of the federation, some, in full prepared their draft constitutions, in which the Russian Federation was not mentioned?
                  We are not choosing a monarch. Whoever comes to power, he will have to work with parliament. The president does not have the authority to change the constitution, for example.
                  And who will be able to influence the situation more than Putin?
                  PS. Whenever the opposition comes to power, they begin to squabble among themselves.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 11 February 2018 05: 01
                    +5
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    President does not have authority to change constitution

                    That is why they are so afraid to declare a referendum on amendments to the Constitution: all "friends" will immediately lose the main source of dough - the natural resources from which the majority feeds.
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    Is it really forgotten that the subjects of the federation, some, in full prepared their draft constitutions, in which the Russian Federation was not mentioned?
                    Have you really seen at least one such project? Didn’t it happen that we perceive for truth what has come at the level of unfounded allegations, seasoned with "fear of their own stupidity": "FOR SOMEONE SAY NO SECRET that they were preparing ..."? I do not refute anything - but I would not begin to assert, without good reason. Maybe recall the high-profile criminal cases, arrests and landings of the then regional leaders? ..
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    If it were not for Putin’s personality, the Russian Federation might not have been on the world map at all.
                    But you’ll drop it: in the great Russian History there was no such period that a strong leader did not appear who could keep the country from any roll. And then: Putin did not "suddenly" jump onto the podium, he was "led" and prepared, and it was not "ordinary citizens".
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    who will be able to influence the situation more than Putin?
                    One to whom the people will have greater confidence. Putin no longer has confidence. 80% of VTsIOM is a miserable bleating of a ram driven into a flak.
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    Yes, even in such a crucial period ???

                    IN WHICH? so responsible?
                    More precisely, we pose the question this way: WHEN in Russian History was the “NOT RESPONSIBLE" period of its existence? And now - do not change the power ?! Putin will die - we will make a mummy out of him, and put two "interpreters" next to him - so that they "translate" what the mummy will indicate .. So what ?!
                    .. When Brezhnev died, I was 14. It also seemed then, childishly, that there would be "horror-horror"! Nothing - survived without excesses. And now we will survive the change of power, stop being afraid of this already! Russia is not Putin, Russia is WE!
                    1. BastaKarapuzik And
                      BastaKarapuzik And 11 February 2018 13: 14
                      0
                      IN WHICH? so responsible?

                      It may not be responsible or not, but the time of the Civil War and the time of the launch of the first man into space are still very different periods. The time when a country acquires territories, the influence and the time when it loses it all, well, you can’t say that it’s the same thing. There are critical periods, this is undeniable.
                      When Brezhnev died, I was 14. It also seemed then, childishly, that there would be “horror-horror”! Nothing - survived without excesses

                      Gorbachev came (though not immediately). Nothing, the union collapsed. Fine?
                      Russia, of course, is not Putin. But losing the current president’s election automatically casts doubt on the whole course.
                      And for all surrounding states this is an occasion to cast doubt on agreements and so on. even if not legally, but simply in propaganda.
                      The current president cannot lose this election.
                      1. Freeman
                        Freeman 11 February 2018 14: 42
                        +2
                        BastaKarapuzik And today, 13:14
                        Gorbachev came (though not immediately). Nothing, the union collapsed. Fine?

                        If Brezhnev (as he wanted) could leave on time. If the decrepit "political bureau" had been replaced on time, then there would have been no Gorbachev, chosen for being "the youngest." And there would be no collapse of the country.
                        By supporting Putin's irremovability, you are pushing us on this path again.
                        IMHO
                    2. BastaKarapuzik And
                      BastaKarapuzik And 11 February 2018 15: 09
                      0
                      Didn’t it happen that we perceive for truth what has come at the level of unfounded allegations

                      Did not work out. Do people really have such a short memory?
                  2. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 11 February 2018 08: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    To experiment with the replacement of the head of state is unknown to whom? Yes, even in such a crucial period ???
                    And what is your irresponsible period?
                    Funny you write:
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    We are not choosing a monarch. Whoever comes to power, he will have to work with parliament.
                    And right there:
                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    Putin has been in politics for a very long time, many agreements are held on personal contacteven international.

                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    If it were not Putin's personality, Russia could no longer be on the world map.

                    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                    And who will be able to influence the situation more than Putin?
                    Simply put, the parliament is so worthless that everything in Russia is done only by the willful decisions of the tsar ... uh ... president. And at the same time, "we are not choosing a monarch." But according to your posts, it turns out that Putin has turned into a monarch himself, into a tsar-priest who, through his wisdom, will judge stupid peasants, and whose decisions should not be discussed, he knows best. Well, of course, we will keep it ad infinitum until it dies, and we are not even talking about any alternative, alternating power and other stupidities. In general, nonsense.
                    1. BastaKarapuzik And
                      BastaKarapuzik And 11 February 2018 13: 41
                      +1
                      And what is your irresponsible period?

                      I wrote about this above. And the period now, rather, corresponds to the definition of a civil war. This is not "in Ukraine," This war is with us.
                      Funny you write:

                      And right there:

                      There is no contradiction here. The president really can’t change everything with his decree, but what rests on the personal qualities of a particular person can fall apart with an unsuccessful change of head of state.
                      The President does not choose the course alone, but has an impact, it is indisputable.
                      If Putin goes to the polls, all other candidates have no chance.
                      It would be a different matter if he had not nominated his candidacy.
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 11 February 2018 21: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                        The President does not choose the course alone, but has an impact, it is indisputable.

                        Fine! So: if we continue to follow the chosen course - then the Americans will not even need to bribe anyone, we ourselves will fall apart! Unless a popular explosion follows.
                        Do you personally feel good socially and economically? And how do you think the children will feel? Grandchildren Another 6 years of the policy of the collapse of the fundamental foundations of the development of society - education and health - the country may not stand. I wonder what you will then say to Putin? wassat
                        If Putin goes to the polls, all other candidates have no chance.
                        A highly controversial statement. His real ratings, on most online polls, below the baseboard.
                2. free
                  free 10 February 2018 19: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                  And what do you want? If there is such a split in society, some rave about the return of socialism, others “pray” to the so-called “developed countries”. Still others dream of the return of the monarchy.

                  In fact, if we discard verbal husks, people want to live humanly, no matter what .. "ism" is not called.
                  From my point of view, Grudini in this sense is the most suitable candidate.
                  Putin works according to the “divide and rule” formula, while Grudini, on the contrary, wants to consolidate society. Under this idea, a government of public trust has already been formed.
                  I will give you a simple example, in VO people with different worldviews, and we often "did srach", for example with the monarchists, but now we have cast aside our differences. The same thing will happen during the construction of a new people's state, and its own polit. Exercises we will conduct with beer in the kitchen, and not on the barricades hi .

                  good drinks
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 10 February 2018 15: 59
                +13
                over 80% votes for him
                not more than 60%, and for refusing to stop drunken judges, another minus to the percentage.
                The natural point of contact should be Russia!
                And here I agree to 100%
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 11 February 2018 04: 39
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            which he has to make great inside the country.

            belay ??? That is, 18 years was clearly not enough for this ?! And when is he going to have time to accomplish this great deed? 6 years is so little ...
            Quote: Boris55
            the fact that our life is what it is is their merit, it was they who adopted such laws.
            Do not remind when it was? ..
            Since Putin’s in power, more than a dozen thousand laws have been adopted (!) - after all, our “Stakhanovites” in the State Duma manage to stamp 1000 laws a year! Imagine the confusion in the law? And what - are we better off living on this?
            You still say that it was Lenin who was to blame for everything - Putin blamed him, which means that he is! wassat
            Quote: Boris55
            Grudilin is blah, blah, blah - no more

            But this stupid statement is based on what? What experience do you rely on when making such statements? Share it! Or stop stupid: Putin "blah blah blah" has not stopped for three terms - and the cart (Russia) is still there. So where is the confidence that in the fourth term “suddenly” everything will change?
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 39
        +13
        CPSU destroying the USSR, ruin Russia!
        now the president is a former communist and how?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 February 2018 09: 43
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          now the president is a former communist and how?

          He is primarily a foreign intelligence officer. Its introduction into the camp of the enemy was quite successful. The positive results of his activities for the country are quite obvious. So why change the class manager, who has actually proved his usefulness for the country, to change to unknown who?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 10 February 2018 10: 02
            +17
            Firstly
            the main thing is how to justify profitably.
            Its introduction into the camp of the enemy was quite successful.
            But this is for youngsters.
            The positive results of his activities for the country are quite obvious.



            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 February 2018 10: 11
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              the main thing is how to justify profitably.

              1. Freeman
                Freeman 10 February 2018 18: 03
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: Gardamir
                the main thing is how to justify profitably.


                But I know a song - pitiful ...
                © "Mommy". c / f "Republic of ShKID"


                wassat laughing
            2. seos
              seos 10 February 2018 15: 26
              +2
              If a cat gave birth to kittens, this is Putin's fault ...
              The country is ruled by the liberal bloc, which manages all the financial wealth in the country, and it controls the situation. They own all the money and everything that can be bought for money, including the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Army and other law enforcement agencies.
              They do not need the liberals against the conflict with the west, because because of it they have huge problems with their savings and real estate in the west ...
              Putin pushed back the return of Crimea without their consent, thereby becoming their enemy, and therefore Putin should not be considered liberals.
              Yes, Putin is a weak president, who is constantly trying to find compromises where they cannot be. But for liberals and for the West, it is necessary at all costs to sweep him off the presidency.
              There are significant events that have a direct connection -
              1) Creation of the Russian Guard.
              2) Putin puts forward his candidacy as a self-nominated candidate, thereby dissociating himself from the liberals.
              The meaning here is simple - the liberals are furious, they are trying with all their might to destabilize the situation, plus they have the full support of the West ... and during the elections in Donbas they will knead ...
              It is the heavily armed Rosguard that will protect the main cities from a coup d'etat with the participation of disloyal security officials, and for this purpose they were created from scratch ...
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 10 February 2018 16: 03
                +11
                There are significant events that have a direct connection -
                1) Creation of the Russian Guard.
                2) Putin puts forward his candidacy as a self-nominated candidate, thereby dissociating himself from the liberals.

                1 bodyguard
                2 the entire election fund is funded by the EdRo party.
              2. free
                free 10 February 2018 19: 26
                +6
                Quote: seos
                If a cat gave birth to kittens, this is Putin's fault ...
                The country is ruled by the liberal bloc, which manages all the financial wealth in the country, and it controls the situation. They own all the money and everything that can be bought for money, including the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Army and other law enforcement agencies.
                They do not need the liberals against the conflict with the west, because because of it they have huge problems with their savings and real estate in the west ...
                Putin pushed back the return of Crimea without their consent, thereby becoming their enemy, and therefore Putin should not be considered liberals.
                Yes, Putin is a weak president, who is constantly trying to find compromises where they cannot be. But for liberals and for the West, it is necessary at all costs to sweep him off the presidency.
                There are significant events that have a direct connection -
                1) Creation of the Russian Guard.
                2) Putin puts forward his candidacy as a self-nominated candidate, thereby dissociating himself from the liberals.
                The meaning here is simple - the liberals are furious, they are trying with all their might to destabilize the situation, plus they have the full support of the West ... and during the elections in Donbas they will knead ...
                It is the heavily armed Rosguard that will protect the main cities from a coup d'etat with the participation of disloyal security officials, and for this purpose they were created from scratch ...

                Putin himself has repeatedly said that he is liberal! Or did not say, check?
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 10 February 2018 20: 14
              +2
              And from 2000 to 2017, 29000 factories, factories and enterprises were opened. And also, GDP increased from 7 trillion to 92 trillion.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 February 2018 12: 20
            +11
            Quote: Boris55
            He is primarily a foreign intelligence officer.

            head club in Dresden is a masterpiece of BP laughing
            The Stasi smoked nervously when an agent came with a rattle that spoke for itself.
            How old are you? if you write
            Quote: Boris55
            The positive results of his activities for the country are quite obvious.

            What is the matter with Donbass and Novorossia?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 February 2018 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              What is the matter with Donbass and Novorossia?

              What's wrong with them? They, unlike the Crimea, refused to join us. We will not let us arrange genocide there, but we will not intervene directly.
              ps And about our pier in the Donbass - ours were on anti-Maiden, all the rest - they took a turn to Europe.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 10 February 2018 12: 50
                +14
                Quote: Boris55
                Boris55

                You are very far from reality, no offense.
                Analyze the situation from different angles; everything is in the public domain. hi
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 10 February 2018 13: 41
                +14
                Quote: Boris55
                They, unlike the Crimea, refused to join us.
                What are you carrying? They just held a referendum on joining Russia. Another question is that the Putin government did not want to mess with them, as with the Crimea.
                Quote: Boris55
                And about our pier in the Donbass - ours were on the anti-Maiden, all the rest - they took a turn to Europe.
                Yes, now you have offended many residents of the same Donbass, who in 2014 sincerely hoped that Russia would protect them from war.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 10 February 2018 13: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  They just held a referendum on joining Russia.

                  No. They held a referendum only on independence. On independence, including from Russia. The issue of joining Russia did not stand.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  many residents of the same Donbass, who in 2014 sincerely hoped that Russia would protect them

                  Why should we get into a civil war in a neighboring state, some of whose residents want us to solve the problem for them?
                  1. Romey
                    Romey 10 February 2018 15: 08
                    +11
                    After such comments, dear Boris, I am ashamed to be Russian ... This is the height of cynicism and adaptation to the ruling elite. Now i'm sure. We have FOREVER lost Novorossiya and Ukraine, and accordingly the continued existence of Russia as a Eurasian empire and even the current miserable existence of the Russian Federation is in great doubt. It’s a pity, all the chances of success were ...
                    1. dSK
                      dSK 10 February 2018 21: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: romey
                      I am ashamed to be Russian ..

                      What's the problem? "Good riddance..."
                      1. Romey
                        Romey 10 February 2018 23: 54
                        +2
                        Do not wait. Let's hang out ...
                  2. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 10 February 2018 15: 22
                    +9
                    Quote: Boris55
                    No. They held a referendum only on independence. On independence, including from Russia. The issue of joining Russia did not stand.
                    Well be:
                    The referendum on self-determination of the Donetsk People’s Republic is a general vote held on May 11, 2014 by the authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic in a number of districts and cities of the Donetsk region, after which on May 12 the DPR authorities declared sovereignty and expressed a desire to join Russia, and also unite with the Luhansk People's Republic in Novorossia
                  3. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 10 February 2018 16: 06
                    +3
                    in a civil war in a neighboring state
                    tomorrow something else will be separated from Russia and announced as a neighboring state
                  4. free
                    free 10 February 2018 19: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    They just held a referendum on joining Russia.

                    No. They held a referendum only on independence. On independence, including from Russia. The issue of joining Russia did not stand.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    many residents of the same Donbass, who in 2014 sincerely hoped that Russia would protect them

                    Why should we get into a civil war in a neighboring state, some of whose residents want us to solve the problem for them?

                    Syria, no, not heard?
                  5. avia1991
                    avia1991 11 February 2018 22: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Why should we get into a civil war in a neighboring state?

                    Then why the hell did we join Crimea ??? Also, after all, "a neighboring state!
                    And why did Putin broadcast about “we’re not abandoning ours!” ?? Just do not rub me, that he is "only in relation to the Crimea" - he said this about the Russians in all the former republics, and especially highlighted those living in Ukraine!
                    Quote: Boris55
                    They held a referendum only on independence

                    All true. The question was CHANGED after the go-ahead from Moscow - they say, early, you don’t have to climb on the rampage .. and it happened if your memory fails, after May 2, and after Putin’s “loss”. Then, in general, the OSCE demanded that the referendum be canceled! But Putin just threw up his hands: after the Crimea, the Russians would not have forgiven him for such a step!
                  6. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 11 February 2018 22: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Boris55
                    The issue of joining Russia did not stand.

                    It stood. Just after the referendum.
            2. Freeman
              Freeman 10 February 2018 18: 25
              +5
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Boris55
              He is primarily a foreign intelligence officer.

              head club in Dresden is a masterpiece of BP laughing
              The Stasi smoked nervously when an agent came with a rattling "rattle"

              Oh, you don’t know anything for Putin. laughing
              Here in 2012, people were told about the "Unknown feat of Lieutenant Colonel Putin."
              Where the "club", which he was in charge of, was first declared the "headquarters" and then the "KGB residency", which he courageously defended.

              It is strange that after being elected president, he was not awarded the title of “Hero of Russia” for this feat. Or was it a “closed decree” signed by himself? what
          3. AUL
            AUL 10 February 2018 14: 00
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Gardamir
            now the president is a former communist and how?

            He is primarily a foreign intelligence officer. Its introduction into the camp of the enemy was quite successful ....
            That is, in your opinion, the club of Soviet officers in the GSVG is the camp of the enemy? However... request
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 10 February 2018 15: 25
              +14
              It's generally funny for me to read the posts of putinoids. What qualities they do not ascribe to their guarantor: the savior of Russia, the opposition to the West, and the embitter of Russia from his knees, here someone generally somehow agreed that Putin is the best ruler of Russia in the last 300 years.
              1. B.T.V.
                B.T.V. 10 February 2018 17: 19
                +4
                Quote: Greenwood
                It's generally funny for me to read the posts of putinoids.


                And I am “touched to tears” by Zagrudin’s posts. So I want to ask: “if (hypothetically) Grudinin and Co. break through to power and do not live up to your hopes, who will start to hang all the“ dogs ”, who will be to blame ?!
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman 10 February 2018 18: 32
                  +10
                  Quote: B.T.W.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  It's generally funny for me to read the posts of putinoids.


                  And I am “touched to tears” by Zagrudin’s posts. So I want to ask: "if (hypothetically) Grudinin and Co. break through to power and do not live up to your hopes, on whom all the “dogs to hang” start, who will be to blame ?!

                  Not justified - choose another. New "who if not he" already will not.
                  1. B.T.V.
                    B.T.V. 10 February 2018 18: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Freeman
                    Not justified - choose another. New


                    "Blessed is he who believes ...". The example of Ukraine does not teach anything, but a pity.
                    1. Freeman
                      Freeman 10 February 2018 19: 19
                      +5
                      Quote: B.T.W.
                      Quote: Freeman
                      Not justified - choose another. New


                      "Blessed is he who believes ...". The example of Ukraine does not teach anything, but a pity.

                      The example of "Maidan" is incorrect. Initially, there was no political party behind the protest. At the first stage, the protesters expelled any representatives of the polit. parties trying to lead the protest. Well, "jumped". Ultra-nationalists came and “built” them all into their “hundreds” by force.
                      1. B.T.V.
                        B.T.V. 10 February 2018 19: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Freeman
                        Initially, there was no political party behind the protest.


                        And is there a political party behind Grudinin ?!
                2. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: B.T.W.
                  they will break through to power and do not live up to your hopes, whom will you begin to hang all the “dogs on”, who will be to blame ?!
                  Like anyone, in the 90s of course. All because of them damned.
                3. avia1991
                  avia1991 11 February 2018 22: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: B.T.W.
                  if (hypothetically) Grudinin and Co. break through to power and do not meet your expectations

                  The question is, who has any hopes!
                  But one thing is certain: it will not be worse than now. But improvements are very possible. It’s just that you, pro-government zombies, have your eyes shut, your ears shut, your nose too, and you are yelling at the beluga PUUUTIIINNNAAaaaaaaaaaaa! Open your eyes and think at least once in your life! If left, THAN.
                  1. B.T.V.
                    B.T.V. 11 February 2018 23: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: avia1991
                    Quote: B.T.W.
                    if (hypothetically) Grudinin and Co. break through to power and do not meet your expectations

                    The question is, who has any hopes!
                    But one thing is certain: it will not be worse than now. But improvements are very possible. It’s just that you, pro-government zombies, have your eyes shut, your ears shut, your nose too, and you are yelling at the beluga PUUUTIIINNNAAaaaaaaaaaaa! Open your eyes and think at least once in your life! If left, THAN.


                    Are you sure that will not be worse? Interesting opinion: if I am against Grudinin, then I no longer have "what to think." This person, personally from me, does not inspire confidence, and even the zeal with which his adherents are praised on the "expanses of the World Wide Web" does look very strange at all.
          4. Sofa General
            Sofa General 10 February 2018 22: 42
            +3
            He is primarily a foreign intelligence officer.

            But scouts are taught to persuade to cooperate through blackmail. So what?
  9. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2018 08: 18
    +18
    Grudinin is not a person, this is our protest against current economic policy
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 10 February 2018 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Grudinin is not a person, this is our protest against current economic policy

      Then you are a little late.
      The fact is that the whole country, every citizen of the country, including the president, lives according to the laws adopted by the Duma. To date, the constitutional majority in the Duma belongs to the bourgeois party (EP), whose chairman is Medvedev and, if desired, Medvedev can simply eliminate the presidency and we will have a parliamentary republic.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 10 February 2018 18: 51
        +4
        Boris55 Today, 08:40
        Then you are a little late.
        The fact is that the whole country, every citizen of the country, including the president, lives according to the laws adopted by the Duma.

        You are not quite right. We all live according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. The constitution has the highest legal force.
        To date, the constitutional majority in the Duma belongs to the bourgeois party (EP), whose chairman is Medvedev and, if desired, Medvedev can simply eliminate the presidency and we will have a parliamentary republic.

        According to Articles 111 and 117 of the Constitution of the Russian FederationThe President can dissolve the Duma and call new elections.
    2. seos
      seos 10 February 2018 15: 12
      +3
      Yeltsin was not a person, but a protest ...
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 10 February 2018 08: 30
    +4
    Wow, which comedy will begin, it will be kindly expensive to watch.
    ... It’s natural, in a bourgeois-democratic country, bourgeois-democratic elections are held with all the consequences .. Some oligarchs are at the trough, others are tearing at it, those at the trough are pushing away those who are tearing ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 42
      +17
      bourgeois-democratic country
      in the first, we live in an oligarcho-kleptocratic country; in the second, in no country there is a memory of socialism.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 10 February 2018 10: 49
        +2
        What's the difference? how do oligarchs differ from quasi-oligarchs (kleptocrats) .. They are not representatives of the bourgeoisie? ... Type of people represent? ... The political system in our country is capitalist, the bourgeoisie is in power .. and the means of production mainly belong to it .. .
  11. Horseman without a head
    Horseman without a head 10 February 2018 08: 34
    +18
    And now that is not nonsense?
  12. magdama
    magdama 10 February 2018 08: 47
    +9
    Question to the author of the article. Why write so pretentiously? Surviving yourself? Or is it just the author - another uncut diamond?)))
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 February 2018 09: 46
      +14
      Question
      Twenty years ago, I thought on this subject, why should I prove something to every newcomer? The author works here, expressed his opinion, if you do not like it, criticize. prove first yourself that you have the right to a different opinion.
  13. groks
    groks 10 February 2018 09: 05
    +3
    Plenty of water. What can be distinguished. 1. Grudinin has a sense of humor. 2. Vote, do not vote .... All.
  14. ibirus
    ibirus 10 February 2018 10: 00
    +6
    Something Roman gave a blunder in this article. Where did he see the electorate at Navalny? 1 million students or what? And it was just the youth of GDP that we managed to attract, thinking and attentive youth. And for schoolchildren - yes, we have a specialist Lesha. You first look at Lesha’s video, and then think about the QUALITY of his electorate. Funny, by golly.
    1. Romey
      Romey 10 February 2018 10: 42
      +21
      Roman is right. Putin has already lost youth with a bang. Neither Nashi, nor the Young Guard, nor all sorts of Territories of Meaning with other Surkov sculptures helped. Slowly but surely losing the middle and older generation. As a result, the accumulation of critical mass for a social explosion is simply inevitable.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 10 February 2018 12: 11
        +5
        Yeah, of course, lost.
        Only in the minds of online teenagers. What are they talking about with categorical adolescence and moronic smiles on their faces and are trying to yell immediately in the presence of adult, serious people.
        But as always, there is one detail that is completely unknown to young intellectuals - the active online community in general, of all ages, is about 20% of the population.
        Accordingly, teenagers on the Internet can do anything - for example, gather in a circle and chorus to tell each other, even with two hands, that Putin lost.
        This will not affect the results of the choice of citizens living in reality in any way.
        1. Romey
          Romey 10 February 2018 14: 21
          +7
          Well, yes, yes ... Only in the minds of online teenagers ... Have you ever thought about the fact that today's teenagers are completely connected to the Internet? I made an interesting observation and watched what the children were doing at the school stop waiting for the bus. All stuck into smartphones as one. Guys from Edra, have you ever encountered reality? It feels like not. And this is another reason to refuse to trust you.
          1. dSK
            dSK 10 February 2018 21: 18
            0
            Quote: romey
            All stuck into smartphones as one

            They live in a "virtual world", where they are "encoded" by the US "cyber military".
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 10 February 2018 23: 35
              +1
              Quote: dsk
              Quote: romey
              All stuck into smartphones as one

              They live in a "virtual world", where they are "encoded" by the US "cyber military".

              Where does such confidence in knowledge of the "subject" come from? Or are you the heroine of the movie Courier?

              Threat. In the film, the true assessment of youth was the opposite of yours. But that time was different (1986) and the "TV" was different.
      2. ibirus
        ibirus 10 February 2018 19: 47
        +1
        Romey, I also belong to the category of "youth". GDP has never won me over, for there has always been in my head a substance called Brain and eyes. I saw what was changing, why it was changing, I was able and able to analyze. Therefore, I always checked and cried out the cries of our infallible liberal party and how they got there, especially since liberals like to say that, they say, it’s always better. And sometimes I voted for GDP, because I saw that my city was changing, slowly, but changing.
      3. dSK
        dSK 10 February 2018 21: 25
        0
        Quote: romey
        accumulation of critical mass for a social explosion
        escalate, escalate - the revolution has devoured more than once your parents".
  15. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 10 February 2018 10: 01
    +5
    Truly "... wonderful things are your Lord ...", an ordinary grabber and a thief suddenly became a candidate from the Communist Party, the degradation of Zyuganov and his "party" in person! You would be good gentlemen, first you would know the opinion of the hard workers who had been picked up by this hard worker from his personal estate under the name "Lenin", and then you would draw conclusions!
    1. Knowing
      Knowing 10 February 2018 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Truly "... wonderful things are your Lord ...", an ordinary grabber and a thief suddenly became a candidate from the Communist Party, the degradation of Zyuganov and his "party" in person! You would be good gentlemen, first you would know the opinion of the hard workers who had been picked up by this hard worker from his personal estate under the name "Lenin", and then you would draw conclusions!

      So, after all, Grudinin of the NPSR — sheep were handed to Zyuganov, now there are tears and vacillations in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, there are many dissatisfied ... https: //forum-msk.org/material/poli
      tic / 14315624.html
    2. Giants
      Giants 10 February 2018 19: 51
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      ordinary grabber and thief

      If you carefully study the biography of Putin.V.V., then this phrase is ideal for him. His affairs in the early 90's in St. Petersburg do not forget. He is not the Darkest, not the Most Bright, not the Moon-faced, not the Sun-faced. He got the best drive in the corridors of St. Petersburg City Hall.
  16. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 10 February 2018 10: 10
    +2
    Another act of the play entitled: "The elite puts on everyone!" And do not care for her, the main thing is to keep in power and feeders.
  17. AleBors
    AleBors 10 February 2018 10: 29
    +2
    I won’t go to vote at all. For the outcome is already known. As the late Zadornov said: "If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to go there." And all this is a circus of midgets around this or that "candidate", just an element of the upcoming show. Alas and ah ...
  18. cedar
    cedar 10 February 2018 10: 38
    +5
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    And what is the commitment of the 5 column!

    Well, "against Putin," well ... Anyone who is against - “5 Column” is unambiguous .... in the “expense” of them ....


    Not just the fifth or sixth column, but the liquidators of Russia.
    Putin prevented the collapse of Russia in 2000. Since then, he, or rather, his Team, has kept Russia from the catastrophe of separatism, civil war and the elimination of the people and the state. Take away this bond and we will choke on blood. But this is exactly what they dream about and everything for this is done by our eternal enemies, the Anglo-Americans, who, after defeating the USSR in the twentieth century in 1991, sentenced Russia to division into the “Bantustust” conglomerate, for the convenience of robbery and colonial exploitation. To do this, they created a colonial system and legislatively fixed its foundations in "our" Constitution and another 4000 laws. Under this colonial constitution, the President of the Russian Federation is not power and cannot rule the country. But Putin went beyond the "flags" and controls Russia outside systematically in manual mode, and this is our salvation from the longing for the United States to collapse and eliminate Russia.
    Grudinin is a protege of ardent anti Putinists and liquidators of Russia - the USA. The liquidator himself and the leader of all the liquidators of the local disgrace, whether or not they independently understand what they are doing.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 10 February 2018 11: 15
      +9
      Do you seriously think that Putin “shook hands” with Yeltsin to “reign” without US approval?
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 February 2018 15: 20
      +6
      Quote: cedar
      Putin prevented the collapse of Russia in 2000. Since then, he, or rather, his Team, has kept Russia from the catastrophe of separatism, civil war and the elimination of the people and the state. Take away this bond and we will choke on blood.

      Damn, enchanting of course. I even comment laziness.
    3. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 15: 42
      +4
      Start over. Ulyukaev was. Khoroshavin was. White was. We are waiting for Medvedev very, very.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 11
        +2
        I would say we are waiting for all Putin’s ministers without exception.
  19. Brigadier
    Brigadier 10 February 2018 10: 57
    +20
    Now Putin’s singers are struggling to denigrate Grudinin! No matter how, no matter what, if only to pour mud. They have both administrative resources and money and power. One - in one election Trump and Clinton.
    They are not stupid, and they know that if Putin leaves and Grudinin comes, their political influence, and therefore cash flow, will come to an end, and EdRo will disintegrate at such a speed that even a racing car will envy!
    Grudinin is not Putin, he doesn’t have that much stick to which he owes ...
    And another 6 years of Putin’s stagnation and stagnation, Russia simply can’t stand it. Now the number of poor has become simply prohibitive, just as prohibitively has become under Putin the number of VERY rich mrs ... sorry, "people."
    For every winning story with fanfare on TV about the opening of any enterprise 10 quiet and inconspicuous, about the closure of enterprises somewhere in small towns, where these enterprises were the only sources of life for their impoverished population!
    Over the years of his reign, Putin simply forgot that Russia does not close within the 3rd ring of the Moscow Ring Road, and Grudinin remembers this very well ...
    Therefore, the ordinary people of Russia (the same poor people that Putin has safely forgotten about) in the elections will vote not for the one for whom there is no hope, but for the one who will bring the necessary changes to the country for ordinary people, which are the backbone of the country and its support!
    EVERYONE VOTES FOR BREAST !!!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 10 February 2018 12: 20
      +6
      And another 6 years of Putin’s stagnation and stagnation, Russia simply can’t stand it. Now the number of poor has become simply prohibitive, just as prohibitively has become under Putin the number of VERY rich mrs ... sorry, "people."

      That is, the immediate redistribution of property proposed by Grudinin, and the country’s collapse of the institutions of power accompanying it, can withstand?
      Are you healthy there?
      "The common people of Russia" has been filled with promises to the very throat since 1991. It seems to have died down ...
      And again, guardians for the common people.
      Walk in the forest, for good.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 February 2018 12: 36
        +9
        That is, an immediate redistribution of property,
        You are right, it’s better to slow from Yeltsin to Putin. The oars on the galleys broke, but the redistribution was complete.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 10 February 2018 13: 02
          +6
          This choice, by the way, is the main problem.
          For example, 100 years ago, the question was about the same - whether Russia, while participating in the World War, could make a sharp turn and change the tsarist government with the government of crooks and thieves to real democracy and the happiness of the masses.
          As a result, it turned out that yes, maybe - having lost tens of millions of citizens, vast territories, industry. Caught literally a step away from complete destruction.
          Now, after 100 years, the question is exactly the same - whether Russia will be able to make a sharp turn, and how many millions of lives will be required for this.
          Personally, I choose the slow path. At least he leaves time for maneuver, possible ways. Unlike quickly and immediately.
          It may not work out like 100 years ago, especially considering the fundamentally increased strength of opponents.
          1. AUL
            AUL 10 February 2018 14: 13
            +3
            Quote: Mestny

            For example, 100 years ago, the question was about the same - if Russia will be able to make a sharp turn and change during participation in the world war imperial power with a government of crooks and thieves on real democracy and the happiness of the masses.
            You haven’t messed up anything? Then there was neither Putin nor EdRa!
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 10 February 2018 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: Mestny
        And another 6 years of Putin’s stagnation and stagnation, Russia simply can’t stand it. Now the number of poor has become simply prohibitive, just as prohibitively has become under Putin the number of VERY rich mrs ... sorry, "people."

        That is, the immediate redistribution of property proposed by Grudinin, and the country’s collapse of the institutions of power accompanying it, can withstand?
        Are you healthy there?
        "The common people of Russia" has been filled with promises to the very throat since 1991. It seems to have died down ...
        And again, guardians for the common people.
        Walk in the forest, for good.

        So Putin, if he wanted to, could do it slowly over 18 years. However, no one finger ...
    2. cedar
      cedar 10 February 2018 16: 42
      +4
      EVERYONE VOTES FOR THE BREAST !!!

      I would say right away. For an uncle from Washington DC.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 17: 44
        +7
        I'm visually impaired. I saw the first phrase. Then do not care. tongue
    3. free
      free 10 February 2018 19: 31
      +4
      Quote: Brigadier
      Now Putin’s singers are struggling to denigrate Grudinin! No matter how, no matter what, if only to pour mud. They have both administrative resources and money and power. One - in one election Trump and Clinton.
      They are not stupid, and they know that if Putin leaves and Grudinin comes, their political influence, and therefore cash flow, will come to an end, and EdRo will disintegrate at such a speed that even a racing car will envy!
      Grudinin is not Putin, he doesn’t have that much stick to which he owes ...
      And another 6 years of Putin’s stagnation and stagnation, Russia simply can’t stand it. Now the number of poor has become simply prohibitive, just as prohibitively has become under Putin the number of VERY rich mrs ... sorry, "people."
      For every winning story with fanfare on TV about the opening of any enterprise 10 quiet and inconspicuous, about the closure of enterprises somewhere in small towns, where these enterprises were the only sources of life for their impoverished population!
      Over the years of his reign, Putin simply forgot that Russia does not close within the 3rd ring of the Moscow Ring Road, and Grudinin remembers this very well ...
      Therefore, the ordinary people of Russia (the same poor people that Putin has safely forgotten about) in the elections will vote not for the one for whom there is no hope, but for the one who will bring the necessary changes to the country for ordinary people, which are the backbone of the country and its support!
      EVERYONE VOTES FOR BREAST !!!

      Greetings Comrade!
  20. Mestny
    Mestny 10 February 2018 11: 11
    +4
    Quote: romey
    One inevitable increase in retirement age and a mess in education and health care are worth it. And yet, yes, why should I consider Putin as my president?

    Has an increase in retirement age already taken place? Education has stopped teaching and health care is a cure?
    Or is it an election campaign from yours with total watering by the slops of the authorities in the country?
    And yet, yes, if you do not live in Russia, but in Israel, for example, you can not consider Putin as your President.
    1. Romey
      Romey 10 February 2018 14: 41
      +14
      Raising the retirement age has already been resolved, and Putin on a PC, in his usual hazy manner, colorfully outlined why this should be done. And what about education ... Then stop hypocritical and click about the fall of satellites and boys since. Now about the slops. You do not think it is abnormal to slop Putin’s rival with slops, so why would we turn a blind eye to objective facts? The fact that I am Russian and live in Russia does not mean at all that I should idolize and support the comprador president along with his bears, shuvalas and chubais. Crimea is not an indulgence, all the more fun is just beginning and there are still a lot of surprises that will be difficult to explain to you. Putin is not my president and I myself and his policies do not support the word at all, moreover, I consider it harmful and leading to the inevitable collapse with all the consequences. Therefore, I consider compromises in this direction impossible. I understand that it infuriates you, but alas ... we have a "democracy" and it’s supposedly an election, although it’s fake, but we’ll have to carry out the procedures as if not mad.
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 15: 46
      +3
      And should every Russian pensioner be considered an Israeli citizen? (Do not give a pension)
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 10 February 2018 16: 13
      +3
      Mestny Today, 11:11
      Has an increase in retirement age already occurred?

      Occurred. The truth is only for officials.
      On the one hand, this is a “trouble-sorrow" for them. And on the other hand, from a different official, you cannot even knock out his chair even under the pretext of retirement age.
  21. Mestny
    Mestny 10 February 2018 11: 15
    +5
    Quote: romey
    From the point of view of a simply curious observer, if 10 years ago to Putin personally, the opinion of those around was more positive (and even then, given the fact that I was still serving, and those around me were military people, restrained by the language and emotions of this plan ), now it’s rather the opposite.

    Yes, you understand - it doesn’t really matter how the attitude towards Putin has changed.
    The important thing is that instead of a reasonable alternative to power, the next muddy wave breaks with bored fundamentally unfulfilled promises. some kind of communist millionaire with near-criminal impudence in rhetoric, and absolutely unrealistic "plans for the revival of the country."
    What do you propose - to change Putin for this?
    no, thanks. Of the two evils, we will choose the lesser, namely Putin.
    1. Romey
      Romey 10 February 2018 14: 57
      +12
      Has ... Even as it has. It is not so much Putin himself who is dangerous for Russia as the rogues surrounding him, mediocrity and skillfully promoted careerists, and most importantly, that same sub-Western liberal bureaucracy that tightly controls the most important economic and social directions. No muddy wave. There is a natural demand in society for solving the problems that have accumulated over 25 years of Yeltsinism and Putin’s principle. With Putin’s baggage, we have no prospects to cope with challenges in the face of external pressure and the crisis of the commodity economy. Therefore, we choose the lesser of two evils: a successful entrepreneur and a patriot Grudinin.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 10 February 2018 16: 17
      +3
      Mestny Today, 11:15
      The important thing is that instead of a reasonable alternative to power, the next muddy wave breaks with bored fundamentally unfulfilled promises. some kind of communist millionaire with near-criminal impudence in rhetoric, and absolutely unrealistic "plans for the revival of the country."

      On this basis, from April 1917, some kind of "German agent" was rushing to power in Russia.
  22. dison
    dison 10 February 2018 11: 41
    +2
    Again, an agitation article. In fact, now Grudinin is gaining points for the next election. I would not be surprised if after these elections, until the next, he will again sit in the shadows, a worthy follower of Zyuganov.
  23. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 February 2018 11: 45
    +13
    The funny thing is that supporters of the current one on the next branch are struggling with his cunning plan. You see, they won’t watch the Olympics. Yes, something like that, your president sent you, so go and root for the UAR.
  24. Mestny
    Mestny 10 February 2018 12: 13
    +3
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Truly "... wonderful things are your Lord ...", an ordinary grabber and a thief suddenly became a candidate from the Communist Party, the degradation of Zyuganov and his "party" in person!

    This is not news.
    It amazes me more that serious adults say here that they are categorically for such a candidate.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 15: 51
      +9
      Please announce the salary of the president. Compare with the cost of living. And then we will decide who the grabber is. (Do not forget to indicate the salaries of the heads of state. City administrations)
      1. kush62
        kush62 10 February 2018 19: 56
        0
        Vladivostok1969 Today, 15:51 ↑ New
        Please announce the salary of the president. Compare with the cost of living. And then we will decide who the grabber is. (Do not forget to indicate the salaries of the heads of state. City administrations)

        Do you want to compare with the salary of Grudinin?
        1. free
          free 10 February 2018 21: 17
          +3
          Quote: kush62
          Vladivostok1969 Today, 15:51 ↑ New
          Please announce the salary of the president. Compare with the cost of living. And then we will decide who the grabber is. (Do not forget to indicate the salaries of the heads of state. City administrations)

          Do you want to compare with the salary of Grudinin?

          Want!
          1. kush62
            kush62 12 February 2018 17: 20
            0
            free February 10, 2018 21:17 p.m. ↑
            Quote: kush62
            Vladivostok1969 Today, 15:51 ↑ New
            Please announce the salary of the president. Compare with the cost of living. And then we will decide who the grabber is. (Do not forget to indicate the salaries of the heads of state. City administrations)
            Do you want to compare with the salary of Grudinin?
            Want!

            And with a fair comrade, Stalin did not want to ask the head of state? Your choice: GULAG, NORILSKLAG, or other LAGS.
            1. free
              free 14 February 2018 09: 09
              0
              Quote: kush62
              free February 10, 2018 21:17 p.m. ↑
              Quote: kush62
              Vladivostok1969 Today, 15:51 ↑ New
              Please announce the salary of the president. Compare with the cost of living. And then we will decide who the grabber is. (Do not forget to indicate the salaries of the heads of state. City administrations)
              Do you want to compare with the salary of Grudinin?
              Want!

              And with a fair comrade, Stalin did not want to ask the head of state? Your choice: GULAG, NORILSKLAG, or other LAGS.

              And your choice is freedom brought to a degree of permissiveness, lawlessness of those holding power, corruption and nepotism!
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 14
          +6
          There is such a moment, Grudinin is an entrepreneur, and he earned his money himself. And he does not draw them from the state feeding service, appointing exorbitant salaries and bonuses to himself at the expense of the state. But what’s such a heroic thing that the Minister of Open Government Affairs Abyzov does every day in the service, having an income of 500 million a year, I just can’t understand with my limited mind.
  25. Captain45
    Captain45 10 February 2018 12: 40
    +5
    I don’t know how anyone, but I’m not used to having a conversation without seeing the person and the person’s reaction to my words, so I’ll just express my opinion and ask you not to respond to it. I do not want to enter into a meaningless discussion. So here is another aggressive imposition of a candidate for President of the Russian Federation. Last week, in the show at Solovyov, I saw the lively face of the representative of Grudinin - Afonin Yuri, who is Zyuganov's deputy. It was something with something. The deputy secretary general screeched as normal as a victim, seven adult, smart people could not get a clear answer from him to any question. Reading the comments in the discussion, I see the same reaction of Grudinin's supporters, but if I don’t see the opponents' faces here, I saw Afonin’s face and therefore I made my choice. All the arguments and arguments of the supporters of Grudinin were long ago formulated and expressed by V.I. Novodvorskaya: "You are all here d @ # aki, I’m smart here alone. I’m all beautiful in a white coat." hi Then I take my leave, it is not necessary to answer.
    PS When a person starts to impose something intensely, the natural reaction is to reject the proposal. Judging by how hard Grudinin is being heavily imposed on VO here, nothing shines among VO readers.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 15: 55
      +11
      Are you trying to impose Putin on us in the elections? So we will not vote for him. Excuse me.
      Although I have not seen your face. hi
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 February 2018 12: 41
    +12
    But tell me, about the most honest fighters with the oligarch Grudinin, what kind of shisha did the self-nominated person hang out all over Moscow (I suspect that not only Moscow) he advertised himself? And then Grudinin, at least Mr. Lexus earned, and yours, it is not known where the Soviet trailer Skif is still stored. So he and the country also "stores" and does not develop.
  27. dDYHA
    dDYHA 10 February 2018 13: 09
    0
    There are two options for the development of events with the same end. As they said there. Vote do not vote ...
  28. Klaus
    Klaus 10 February 2018 13: 26
    +15
    The dilemma is simple:
    - For Grudinin I see Boldyrev, Glazyev, Kvachkov, Ivashov, Potapenko, Melnichenko, Togo from the Murmansk fish processing plant (Tooth his last name seems to be), and many other business executives.
    - For the current president: Medvedev, Chubais, Gref, Kudrin, Dvorkovich, Rotenberg, Usmanov, Sechin, Serdyukov, Nabiulina and other financiers and "effective managers" from the Forbes list.
    That is: we have a struggle of 2 teams, 2 ideologies and systems of government. If now Medvedev, or Sechin, or Volodin will head the current power team, nothing will change. The system is stable, the connections are strong.
    On the other hand, instead of Grudinin, Boldyrev, Zyuganov, Afonin or Glazyev could just as well be. The result will also be approximately the same, as everyone will roughly adhere to the 20 Steps program.
    Therefore, you need to choose not so much a person as his team and program. And accordingly to discuss it.
    In my opinion, the trouble of our many fellow citizens is that the serf psychology of worshiping the tsar-priest is not completely eliminated. The apotheosis of such a psychology was very clearly expressed by Nikolai Rastorguev in the song "The Old Master". At some grateful listeners, under a glass - already a tear presses .. wink
    1. seos
      seos 10 February 2018 15: 06
      +4
      1) You asked Glazyev what he thinks about Grudinin before writing down his court? According to Glazyev’s speeches, he is against Grudinin with all his limbs ...
      2) Is Potapenko's liberoid a business executive? I advise you to change the nonsense to less zaboristoy ...
      1. Klaus
        Klaus 10 February 2018 15: 49
        +4
        1. We look at the meetings of the CCI and RSPP for 2016 and 2017. Glazyev, Grudinin, Potapenko, Zhukovsky. Everything is perfectly visible and audible there.
        2. Sergey Glazyev: What ideology will raise Russia https://topwar.ru/133593-sergey-glazev-kakaya-ide
        ologiya-podnimet-rossiyu.html In what place, and with what limbs did Glazyev oppose the Grudinin program? Bother to quote.
        3. Dmitry Potapenko - an entrepreneur, manager of catering networks. Business consultant. I note that the socio-economic theory of liberalism has nothing to do with the entrepreneur Potapenko. Business - he is also a business in China.
        1. seos
          seos 10 February 2018 16: 13
          +3
          1) Potapenko, I watched only 1 video ... after watching which it is clear who Potapenko is ...
          A mega-liberal and if he comes to power there will be a complete scribe, here the idea of ​​the Caste system is clearly visible where the people are at the very bottom of the food chain ...
          people are milked by entrepreneurs ... working on a liberal system (without GOSTs, without control by the State. Eat shit and be silent, because commerce is untouchable ..)
          Officials milk the commerce through legalized bribes and requisitions ..
          Officials are milked by the Government ...
          Here is the ideal world of Potapenko ...
          For the place that would fight for the rule of law, he proposes to do disenfranchised ...

          2) Glazyev is mistrustful of Grudinin
          Time 27.40 Glazyev is very skeptical about Grudinin (I didn’t erase other videos, because after watching this video I made up my mind about Grudinin as a person who was not worthy of my attention ...)
          1. Klaus
            Klaus 10 February 2018 18: 06
            +2
            1. But no one has yet let Potapenko into power! He did not grow up to power, and perhaps he was not created just for her. Here everyone has their own. But sensible things say, in Pyaterochka I buy, and however, I was in his eateries. I approve. Including because offshore Miratorg is too expensive for me.
            2.
            1. Klaus
              Klaus 10 February 2018 18: 17
              +1
              Unfortunately, the level of discussion is slipping into the classic "I came to you with greetings to tell you that the sun has risen ... and something was fluttering there ..." Be careful, careful in the sources and links!
              1. seos
                seos 10 February 2018 19: 18
                +2
                About Grudinin, he must be judged precisely by this, the first video, “time for change”, before political scientists clear his brains ... it is with this video that it is valuable ..
                Now he certainly tells how good he is and how he loves Stalin .... but these are not his words, but his political scientists based on the sympathies of the people ...
            2. seos
              seos 10 February 2018 19: 13
              0
              Okay, I confused both faces like the moon ... and the jackets are the same ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 February 2018 15: 31
      +11
      Quote: Klaus
      Therefore, you need to choose not so much a person as his team and program. And accordingly to discuss it.
      It is precisely about this that Grudinin speaks regularly in interviews: in his person we vote for his team of patriotic business executives, he cannot do without his team. And Putin’s PRs are promoting it as some kind of holy messiah-savior, without which Russia will collapse the very next day. And the fact that behind this messiah a bunch of thieves-hangers-on openly mocking the people robs the country, many of the assailants of the guarantor do not want to hear about this, they try to talk about the KhPP, that the president finally remembers the people (18 years old, now remember exactly), chase the oligarchs (extravaganza simple), will begin to pursue a socially-oriented policy, etc.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 10 February 2018 16: 54
        0
        [quote = Greenwood] in his person we vote for his team of patriotic business executives, he cannot do without his team. [/ quo

        Do you know the composition of "his team" ?!
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 17
          +2
          Quote: B.T.W.
          Do you know the composition of "his team" ?!
          Well, it’s kind of not such a big secret.
          Read, enlighten: https://pdsnpsr.ru/posts/komanda
    3. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 16: 03
      +10
      The Primakov-Maslyukov government for half a year brought more benefits than the Medvedev government for all the remaining years. It is a pity the best of the best have not survived to this day. The country would win and we all together with it.
  29. Wolverine
    Wolverine 10 February 2018 13: 55
    +8
    Quote: Finches
    The man was a member of three political parties and talked about joining the Liberal Democratic Party, but apparently Zhirinovsky, he said, we have enough clowns here without you, and now basically became a communist! Vote, it’s for me ... It's funny and a little sad ...!

    I don’t agree with you here, a person was looking for support in these parties and it doesn’t matter whether he is a communist or a liberal democrat, because it is impossible to break through and gather an electorate from scratch ... hi
  30. repytw
    repytw 10 February 2018 14: 38
    +8
    I looked completely. Everything about the case. Nothing strange, the desire to vote for Grudinin was not lost!
    Grudinin may not win, but if there is a large percentage for him, he will force Putin to change his domestic policy by borrowing part of the Stalinist program, which is already good.
    1. seos
      seos 10 February 2018 15: 03
      +1
      I think it was a troll-transmission-fake, everything was planned in advance in order to create the image of the exemplary Stalenist
  31. seos
    seos 10 February 2018 15: 02
    +1
    Grudinin has only 1 chance to become president if he comes to one of the central channels and allows him to ask him a few questions under a lie detector ...
    In general, it is necessary to make such a check mandatory for all candidates, including the guarantor ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 February 2018 15: 33
      +11
      It is necessary to start with the guarantor, and the guarantor, like other candidates, must participate in the pre-election debate, where in his own words, and not on prepared templates and pieces of paper, he will defend his position. If of course she can defend her ... lol
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        1. seos
          seos 10 February 2018 16: 20
          +2
          He shouldn’t have defended the national team ... it’s impossible to solve this problem without Putin’s resignation ... If he had been tougher, he would have simply forbidden participation in these games ... forever ... but that would have reduced his rating, for why it was started ...
          The reason for the removal of the team is not in doping but in Putin .... here will be the president of Russia, Yeltsin, then everyone will love and praise us ...
          These games are not related to the development of sports ... billions are spent on the development of sports, but there is no development .... can I go to the sports palace for free to the gym? no, I can’t, although the sports palace is built on state funds and the government allocates funds for its maintenance. So is the sports palace a commercial structure or a state?
          I believe that this money is being spent incorrectly ...
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 February 2018 15: 47
        +8
        Quote: Greenwood
        It is necessary to start with the guarantor, and the guarantor, like other candidates, must participate in the pre-election debate, where in his own words, and not on prepared templates and pieces of paper, he will defend his position. If of course she can defend her ...

        Comrade hi You understand that Putin is not able to win the debate. Therefore, he will be promoted by staged stories with the participation of the FSO special company in extras, as extras. Since Monday, to raise the spirit of their electorate, they again launch the kino of the American director “Putin is our everything.” There, the “overlay” with the gadget came out, but that's okay, he shook it.
        Che then Kiriyenko, the former "Kamsamolets" -conman, not impressive ..., just for the mass keeps us.
        There is every reason to believe that they are firmly mistaken. yes
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 21
          +3
          Greetings to a colleague! hi
          Quote: Stroporez
          You understand that Putin is not able to win the debate.
          Unfortunately, I understand. The image of the tsar-father was built from Putin, all the decrees and decisions of which must be accepted meekly, who knows everything best of all, and to “lower oneself” to any debates and discussions there is not a royal matter. The king knows what he is doing. And it’s okay, I would really do it, otherwise I’ll be promoting more and more, while his boyars are enriching themselves. But you are stinkers, keep quiet in a rag and do not argue with the king, and in general, in the 90s it was even worse. And looking at many commentators, like MestnyUnfortunately, I have to admit that our people are really ready to tolerate this in exchange for imaginary "stability."
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  33. tasha
    tasha 10 February 2018 15: 16
    +3
    Putin, Grudinin ...
    Everything is complicated, let's stop biting each other ... Take an example from it:
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 10 February 2018 16: 27
      +5
      Quote: tasha
      Putin, Grudinin ...
      Everything is complicated, let's stop biting each other ... Take an example from it:

      I would love to take his position, only life experience does not allow it.
      Putin, under the banner of "stability", leads the country to "stagnation" - after which collapse will inevitably come. IMHO
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    1. seos
      seos 10 February 2018 16: 25
      +4
      It is impossible to solve the problem of admitting athletes without losing ... all the solution options are losing ... Yes, Putin outplayed everyone, letting it go by chance ... because any decision he made would turn the arrows on him ... and any solution has opponents who wrapped hate personally on Putin ...
      I never voted for Putin, but now I have to save the country ...
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 17: 57
        +7
        As a doctor, I diagnose you. You are prone to suicide. You need to see a doctor.
        1. seos
          seos 10 February 2018 19: 23
          0
          As a former resident of the Wild East, I can advise you to dump from there, because it never lived well there ... under any authority there will be the same full priest, because no one's hands reach him and never reach ...
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 25
            +5
            Quote: seos
            As a former resident of the Wild East, I can advise you to dump from there
            Well, let's all go to Moscow and St. Petersburg. They are not rubber. And we will sell the Far East to the Chinese and Japanese as unnecessary. Conveniently Th, once the cost of maintaining the regions can be reduced. We’ll also raise attendants for sale. It will be possible to shift the tile in the center of Moscow 42 times.
            Quote: seos
            because it never lived well there ... under any authority there will be the same full priest, because no one's hands reach him and never reach him ...
            Here it is not necessary la-la. Under Soviet rule, in Vladivostok, and throughout the Primorsky Territory, life was quite good, the population was growing rapidly, industry was developing rapidly, construction was going on around. So the point is not in the region, but in the approach.
  35. Lexus
    Lexus 10 February 2018 15: 50
    +10
    All these mass media assaults on Grudinin are a real "exhaustion from the finger" to the sounds of a "hackneyed record". They, of course, have someone to learn from - their idol has long been reminiscent of the "organ" from Glupov (ME Saltykov-Shchedrin, "The History of a City") in essence and "content." And in the skill of "throwing shit at the fan of the" Kremlin "copywriters" no one will surpass.
    1. tasha
      tasha 10 February 2018 16: 11
      +1
      nobody will surpass

      Why are you trying? wink

      That V.V. Putin, that P.N.Grudinin are simply obliged to correspond to the level of voters. What kind of people - such and presidents ... This is the imperfection of the modern electoral system ...
      1. Klaus
        Klaus 10 February 2018 16: 23
        +2
        As you know, Grudinin said that he was ready to accept competent professionals into the team.
        It would be very useful to introduce Putin to the State Council, which they want to reform. For example, the post of political consultant. Or to give responsibility for any direction of foreign policy: the same Middle East, for example. Because, whatever one may say, he has serious political weight in the international arena. Well, the continuity of politics, especially foreign - is a serious matter.
        Also, for example, the same Shoigu - has established himself well. I think that he will not remain without a position in the profile.
        Yes, and Navalny could also be attached - for example, set him on the IOC and VAD laughing and if he would dig there for corruption, he would succeed.
        1. tasha
          tasha 10 February 2018 16: 33
          +3
          That's just the point ... The people you listed - somehow declared themselves at the state level. And P. Grudinin - at the level of the Closed Joint-Stock Company ... And therefore, the people who nominated him went to deceive, decided to buy everyone so expensive for many the words "state farm", "Lenin", "director" ...
          Why did M. Prokhorov get so few votes in the 2012 election?
          1. Klaus
            Klaus 10 February 2018 16: 37
            +2
            Because there was no team behind Prokhorov. Only a name, a biography - and behind them a void. Grudinin is only a representative person of a whole team of like-minded people, with his own ideology (social justice), and a socio-economic development program (20 steps to a decent life)
            1. tasha
              tasha 10 February 2018 16: 47
              +3
              Behind him was a party, albeit a small one. It’s just that M. Prokhorov was not able to buy the Communist Party, or the Communist Party was not able to buy M. Prokhorov. :) Or maybe it was just a test of the pen ...
              socio-economic development program

              This program? Once again, I repeat - either we are all kept for idiots or we are all really, since we have people with such promises for the presidency ...
              Have you read the Communist Party’s program for the 2012 election?
              1. Klaus
                Klaus 10 February 2018 16: 49
                +1
                What promises bother you?
                1. tasha
                  tasha 10 February 2018 17: 03
                  +3
                  Virtually everything. As if you, for example, were nominated for president with the slogan - "Happy life. Clear, easy, affordable.". And then legalize the drug ... Giveaway ... wink

                  I do not want to repeat myself. For example, the nationalization of leading banks. Now on deposits of the population about 25 trillions of rubles. Is there a reason for reflection?

                  For many points of the program - one single question. At whose expense is the banquet?
                  1. Klaus
                    Klaus 10 February 2018 19: 06
                    +2
                    1. Vnesheconom Bank. This is a gasket. Open your eyes.
                    2. Of our banks, I would single out: Sberbank, Russian Agricultural Bank, and Tinkova. You already heard about the collapse of Bin Bank, probably? Let's ask the population at what interest rates and in which banks and what (!) They put there / sorry, invested?
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 10 February 2018 19: 19
                      0
                      1. Vnesheconom Bank. This is a gasket. Open your eyes.

                      Please explain only without rudeness ...
                      2. - I don’t understand at all ...
                      1. Klaus
                        Klaus 11 February 2018 12: 10
                        +1
                        I apologize, messages from a machine gun yesterday grew here ... got lost.
                        Grudinin says, if simply, then: money is not pumped into the real sector of the economy, but into banks. This is nonsense when the economy falls, and bankers report huge profits of 700 million (I don't remember exactly) million dollars.
              2. Klaus
                Klaus 10 February 2018 17: 00
                +4
                By the way, somehow everyone forgot the program of the United Russia party from 2002 ...
                1. tasha
                  tasha 10 February 2018 17: 11
                  0
                  The modern electoral system is imperfect ...
          2. Freeman
            Freeman 10 February 2018 21: 13
            +2
            Tascha Today, 16:33
            Why did M. Prokhorov get so few votes in the 2012 election?

            Why is it not enough? Third place, on the first try. He walked around Zhirinovsky’s “old-time politician” and Mironov’s “second tier for Putin”.
            1. tasha
              tasha 10 February 2018 21: 23
              +1
              Compared to the top - a little ..
              That was not the point, however.
              And I will tell you in great confidence - I voted for M. Prokhorov ... Only quietly wink
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 10 February 2018 22: 24
                +1
                Quote: tasha
                Compared to the top - a little ..
                That was not the point, however.
                And I will tell you in great confidence - I voted for M. Prokhorov ... Only quietly wink

                Of course, but not enough. After all, oil was in March 2012 - $ 124.93. A course above 29.66 rubles. for the dollar did not rise. yes
  36. cedar
    cedar 10 February 2018 16: 30
    +3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Do you seriously think that Putin “shook hands” with Yeltsin to “reign” without US approval?


    The USA is different. There is the United States of America, there are the Satanic States of the Antichrist, there are the Zionist States of America. You specify which of the three approved ..? I know for sure that the Free States of America did not approve of Putin because they do not exist. But let's hope that Putin came for that, that would be ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 10 February 2018 16: 40
      +5
      Unfortunately in this matter you are not given to look at your favorite "root" .... You do not see it here, alas. The mistake is that you consider Russia an independent and "free state .....
      1. cedar
        cedar 10 February 2018 16: 57
        +3
        Do you know the word sovereignty?
        If familiar, see the root. Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
        1. Romey
          Romey 10 February 2018 17: 41
          +5
          Quote: cedar
          Do you know the word sovereignty?
          If familiar, see the root. Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

          Buddy You know how to make laugh. Of course. Sovereignty. Russia. Putin Of course, under a neutral flag and a hymn like neutral will, neutral glory .... laughing
          1. tasha
            tasha 10 February 2018 19: 38
            +2
            Of course, under a neutral flag and a hymn like neutral will, neutral glory ....

            Yes, it didn’t work out well. There are two options - either really a stigma in a cannon (yes, functionaries are always like that) or they counted on such a reaction as yours ..
            1. Romey
              Romey 10 February 2018 19: 51
              +3
              Yes, there are no options. Putin and his team are weak, cowardly and corrupt. That's all. Compare Kim’s reaction and compare Putin’s reaction. Everything will fall into place.
              1. tasha
                tasha 10 February 2018 20: 24
                +1
                So, the second option ....
                Because of some kind of Olympics, you are ready to write like this about the current legally elected president and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief .. Yeah .. Do you know the word Respect?
                Almost seriously and on Saturday mood .. No offense ...
                1. Romey
                  Romey 10 February 2018 23: 57
                  +1
                  If the matter concerned only the Olympiad ... Everything would be much simpler.
        2. free
          free 10 February 2018 19: 36
          +7
          Quote: cedar
          Do you know the word sovereignty?
          If familiar, see the root. Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

          And answer the question to hell the law came out prohibiting the traffic police to remove drunken judges from driving cars? Just do not say that the gdp has nothing to do with it!
          1. tasha
            tasha 10 February 2018 19: 59
            +3
            the hellish law came out prohibiting the traffic police to remove drunken judges from driving cars

            Wait. Did you correctly understand the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? If before a judge in a state of intoxication, detained by the traffic police, was considered as an ordinary drunk citizen, now he is allocated to a separate category .. And his behavior is considered by the qualification collegium. Her judges are most afraid ...
            Besides:
            “If there is sufficient reason to believe that the judge or prosecutor, while driving, is intoxicated, the employee, in order to ensure the safety of others, takes measures to stop the further movement of the vehicle until the conditions that impede the further movement of the vehicle are eliminated.”

            And let's ask the traffic police if they are in VO. I think that they will make a separate report to a separate judge with great pleasure ..
            1. free
              free 10 February 2018 21: 12
              0
              Quote: tasha
              the hellish law came out prohibiting the traffic police to remove drunken judges from driving cars

              Wait. Did you correctly understand the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? If before a judge in a state of intoxication, detained by the traffic police, was considered as an ordinary drunk citizen, now he is allocated to a separate category .. And his behavior is considered by the qualification collegium. Her judges are most afraid ...
              Besides:
              “If there is sufficient reason to believe that the judge or prosecutor, while driving, is intoxicated, the employee, in order to ensure the safety of others, takes measures to stop the further movement of the vehicle until the conditions that impede the further movement of the vehicle are eliminated.”

              And let's ask the traffic police if they are in VO. I think that they will make a separate report to a separate judge with great pleasure ..

              With pleasure, is there anyone from the traffic police? Please explain the innovation.
              1. tasha
                tasha 10 February 2018 21: 14
                0
                I explained the innovation to you. We are talking about the attitude of existing employees.
            2. free
              free 13 February 2018 10: 58
              0
              Quote: tasha
              the hellish law came out prohibiting the traffic police to remove drunken judges from driving cars

              Wait. Did you correctly understand the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? If before a judge in a state of intoxication, detained by the traffic police, was considered as an ordinary drunk citizen, now he is allocated to a separate category .. And his behavior is considered by the qualification collegium. Her judges are most afraid ...
              Besides:
              “If there is sufficient reason to believe that the judge or prosecutor, while driving, is intoxicated, the employee, in order to ensure the safety of others, takes measures to stop the further movement of the vehicle until the conditions that impede the further movement of the vehicle are eliminated.”

              And let's ask the traffic police if they are in VO. I think that they will make a separate report to a separate judge with great pleasure ..


              application
              to the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia
              from 21.12.2017 N 948
               
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              AMENDMENTS TO BE ADDED TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION
              EXECUTION BY THE MINISTRY OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE RUSSIAN
              FEDERATIONS OF THE STATE IMPLEMENTATION FUNCTION
              FEDERAL STATE SUPERVISION OF COMPLIANCE
              PARTICIPANTS OF ROAD TRAFFIC LEGISLATION REQUIREMENTS
              RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN THE FIELD OF ROAD SAFETY
              MOVEMENT APPROVED BY ORDER OF THE MINISTRY OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA
              FROM AUGUST 23, 2017 N 664
               

              10. In paragraph 301, the words ", by the judge" shall be deleted.
              11. In paragraph 302, the words "and by a judge - any administrative offense," shall be deleted.
              12. In paragraph 303, the words “committed by the prosecutor” are replaced by the words “committed by the judge or the prosecutor”, the words “to a higher prosecutor” are replaced by the words “to the prosecutor, the higher prosecutor”.
              13. In paragraph 304, the word “prosecutor” is replaced by the words “judge or prosecutor”.

              301. When committing an administrative offense by a registered candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation, a member of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, a deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, a deputy of the legislative (representative) body of state power of a subject of the Russian Federation, a registered candidate for deputies of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation , a registered candidate for membership in the legislative (representative) body of state power of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, a local government body, a registered candidate for the post of head of a municipality, the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, a member of the election commission, referendum commission with a casting vote, and the chairman of the election commissions of the subject of the Russian Federation, judge the employee initiates an administrative case. To the indicated persons, if there are appropriate grounds, they are suspended from driving a vehicle of the appropriate type, a certificate for intoxication, a medical examination for a state of intoxication, other measures to ensure the proceedings in an administrative case, with the exception of those provided for by special conditions established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws.

              304. If there is sufficient reason to believe that the prosecutor, while driving a vehicle, is intoxicated, the employee in order to ensure the safety of others takes measures to stop further movement of the vehicle until the conditions that impede the further movement of the vehicle are removed, which is reported to the duty department (group) of the traffic police unit (duty department of the territorial body of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia at the district level) to immediately inform the prosecution authorities.

              And what happens is that according to Art. there are no judges among those who can be involved in the examination and suspension, and according to 301 art. is there!? Another loophole !?
              1. tasha
                tasha 13 February 2018 11: 59
                0
                Another loophole !?

                The stop of the vehicle with a drunk judge or a prosecutor is made in a separate paragraph. And now the traffic police officer is not involved in self-registration of this administrative offense, but reports this to the duty department. Thus, the inviolability of the judge was observed, and the traffic police officer has no way to put pressure on the judge somehow ... And that’s right.
                1. free
                  free 13 February 2018 16: 21
                  0
                  Quote: tasha
                  Another loophole !?

                  The stop of the vehicle with a drunk judge or a prosecutor is made in a separate paragraph. And now the traffic police officer is not involved in self-registration of this administrative offense, but reports this to the duty department. Thus, the inviolability of the judge was observed, and the traffic police officer has no way to put pressure on the judge somehow ... And that’s right.

                  Suppose this is so, but directly on the road with a good judge what to do to the police officer? Or to suspend or not?
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 14 February 2018 04: 12
                    0
                    takes measures to stop further movement of the vehicle

                    As, for example, when detaining a vehicle with a person who has diplomatic immunity. A traffic police officer can pull out, block the passage ... The main thing is to notify the duty department ..
                    I hope you now understand that the story with this order is just an excuse. It may not be this order, it doesn’t matter. The main thing is to get a reaction like this:
                    And answer the question to hell the law came out prohibiting the traffic police to remove drunken judges from driving cars? Just do not say that the gdp has nothing to do with it!


                    In your case, I think this is just a misunderstanding. The word is good: no-up-understanding .. And let's finish this. Respectfully...
                    1. free
                      free 14 February 2018 09: 13
                      0
                      Quote: tasha
                      takes measures to stop further movement of the vehicle

                      As, for example, when detaining a vehicle with a person who has diplomatic immunity. A traffic police officer can pull out, block the passage ... The main thing is to notify the duty department ..
                      I hope you now understand that the story with this order is just an excuse. It may not be this order, it doesn’t matter. The main thing is to get a reaction like this:
                      And answer the question to hell the law came out prohibiting the traffic police to remove drunken judges from driving cars? Just do not say that the gdp has nothing to do with it!


                      In your case, I think this is just a misunderstanding. The word is good: no-up-understanding .. And let's finish this. Respectfully...

                      In any case, thanks for the constructive dialogue. hi
        3. Greenwood
          Greenwood 11 February 2018 07: 33
          +3
          Quote: cedar
          Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

          Putin. Vodka. Balalayka.
        4. free
          free 13 February 2018 08: 07
          0
          Quote: cedar
          Do you know the word sovereignty?
          If familiar, see the root. Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

          I understand that the root is your everything. But the question is, whose root are you looking at?
      2. Height
        Height 10 February 2018 17: 32
        +3
        "The error is that you consider Russia an independent and free state."

        Drink the poison ...
  37. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 10 February 2018 16: 39
    +7
    Sling cutter,
    Quote: Stroporez
    From this we can conclude that the other pensioners simply died.
    It is possible, but I think that there are other reasons, say tax ones. Yornichat when cited as an example.
    I’m sure that next time I don’t have to choose the President. I will not live. And so I’ve been living for a long time, it’s time and honor to know the sheer expenses of the Pension Fund, the headache of the President and his government. wink
    But I hope that the votes cast by Grudinin will make us worry about the change in social policy in the country.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 10 February 2018 16: 57
      +9
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      , I hope that the votes cast by Grudinin will make us worry about the change in social policy in the country.

      Dear Comrade! We will definitely win, but it’s too early for us to die, a lot of things are ahead.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 10 February 2018 23: 12
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        ... but it’s too early for us to die, a lot of things are ahead.

        Quote: tasha
        I think you will live ...

        Quote: free
        Do not rush...

        Thanks everyone! I’m not going to die, but we are not all eternal. That is life. This is unnatural when young people leave, such as R. Filippov.
    2. tasha
      tasha 10 February 2018 17: 19
      +3
      I will not live.

      I think you will live ... One wise man told me that in this world we assign our own life. Well, if it didn’t work, it means "it didn’t work ...". Fate is ... wink
    3. Romey
      Romey 10 February 2018 17: 38
      +5
      Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin died at 37! What have you done for your homeland?
      Signature with music from the commercial: Pension Fund of Russia ....
      laughing
      1. Height
        Height 10 February 2018 17: 52
        +1
        Comrade, tell yourself about what you have done useful to society?
        1. Romey
          Romey 10 February 2018 19: 07
          +3
          Quote: Height
          Comrade, tell yourself about what you have done useful to society?

          He served in border troops for 20 years at various posts and in different locations. Is this not enough? And you?
          1. Height
            Height 10 February 2018 20: 40
            +1
            And I still serve the Motherland, but I do not consider it a merit, but a duty, why shout about it at every corner ?! Personally, what about the fact that you served twenty years? This is a contract. Is there something else that is useful or not? And I was not the first to ask a question.
            1. tasha
              tasha 10 February 2018 20: 54
              +2
              I'll get in. I think, brothers, you simply did not understand each other .. Romey wrote an unsuccessful post (yes, unsuccessful, wrong way), and you, Vysota, wrote an addressless post. For example, I thought that in my address. This happens in textual internet communication and this must be taken into account ...
            2. Romey
              Romey 10 February 2018 23: 46
              +5
              I have already fulfilled my duty and I served not Putin, but the Homeland and clearly share these concepts. I, unlike you, are not a mercenary-condottier, ready to break everyone who is against the government just because I have a monetary allowance or military pension higher than that of hard workers in the national economy. And as for the other useful ... It's already as someone understands. Well, at least that I raised one son and bring up two more ...
              1. Height
                Height 11 February 2018 16: 10
                0
                "As I put on my harness, I’m dumb and dumb." I already bring up two grandchildren, in honor and conscience, to help those in need, able to sacrifice, to die, but to help friends out. So what?! Should I tear a vest? This is my choice, this is my decision about what my children and grandchildren will be. We served for twenty years, received a pension, and a worker at a construction site who builds houses, hospitals, kindergartens, schools and is forced to deduct his percentage on our pension. And they should work at least up to 55 years old, and most likely up to sixty years, this pays our credit. Without a doubt, they are also doing a very useful job.
                And yet, I'm not selling for money, be careful with the charges. I consider any contract, any proposal from a moral point of view. To help the truly needy is necessary. Who helps fools, albeit for big money, he himself ... Well, of course, that any work must be paid. But, I can do a lot of things for free, from the heart.
    4. free
      free 10 February 2018 19: 37
      +4
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      Sling cutter,
      Quote: Stroporez
      From this we can conclude that the other pensioners simply died.
      It is possible, but I think that there are other reasons, say tax ones. Yornichat when cited as an example.
      I’m sure that next time I don’t have to choose the President. I will not live. And so I’ve been living for a long time, it’s time and honor to know the sheer expenses of the Pension Fund, the headache of the President and his government. wink
      But I hope that the votes cast by Grudinin will make us worry about the change in social policy in the country.

      Take your time Comrade, the country needs normal people!
  38. cedar
    cedar 10 February 2018 17: 27
    +5
    Quote: Klaus
    In my opinion, the trouble of our many fellow citizens is that the serf psychology of worshiping the tsar-priest is not completely eliminated. The apotheosis of such a psychology was very clearly expressed by Nikolai Rastorguev in the song "The Old Master". At some grateful listeners, under a glass - already a tear presses ..


    Everything is fine with the lyrics. Abnormal with the legislation that governs the power in the country. Even if Grudinin becomes president, he will not become power. The Constitution - the basic law prohibits him any authority. Power - The Duma, the Government, the Court are not obliged to fulfill his promises, with which he is now cajoing the electorate. The monetary printing press at the Central Bank, the Central Bank - a branch of the Fed. The Fed will not give a cent for the promised Grudinin's paradise life. NOT FAVORABLE.
    Grudinin is an example of a notorious demagogue that everyone can watch and see, but since demagogy is a false political promise, he is also a speculator on the trust of people and the liquidator of Russia, since he has a trailer with Western owners on its tail, trying to change Putin’s Kremlin in any way .
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 10 February 2018 18: 30
      +5
      NOD activists forget that in the period from 2000 to this day we have adopted laws:
      - the supremacy of international law over national
      - Russia's entry into the WTO
      - membership in the European Parliament
      - free activity of NGOs
      - NATO bases in Ulyanovsk
      - Issue of the National Wealth Fund in US securities.
      We have the Yeltsin Center, the Higher School of Economics, Ksyusha Sobchak campaigning in America (!)
      ... Fedorov ... in the State Duma, dear! With his filing, we have such happiness
    2. Romey
      Romey 10 February 2018 19: 28
      +7
      Quote: cedar
      [The monetary printing press at the Central Bank, the Central Bank - a branch of the Fed. The Fed will not give a cent for the promised Grudinin's paradise life. NOT FAVORABLE.
      Grudinin is an example of a notorious demagogue that everyone can watch and see, but since demagogy is a false political promise, he is also a speculator on the trust of people and the liquidator of Russia, since he has a trailer with Western owners on its tail, trying to change Putin’s Kremlin in any way .
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

      Buddy You are just hot. Now you are claiming that we have no money because the Fed will not give money to Grudinin. But he gives Putin and will continue to give ... Funny such Sovereignty. Russia. Putin Ek, it's like ... Welcome to our State Department agent camp. I’ll personally call Tillerson to open an account in your name. laughing
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 10 February 2018 20: 05
        +4
        Romay Today, 19:28
        Buddy You are just hot. Now you are claiming that we have no money because the Fed will not give money to Grudinin. But he gives Putin and will continue to give ... Funny such Sovereignty. Russia. Putin Ek, it's like ... Welcome to our State Department agent camp. I’ll personally call Tillerson to open an account in your name
        .
        Ahead.
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 10 February 2018 20: 00
      +4
      cedar Today, 17:27
      Power - The Duma, the Government, the Court are not obliged to fulfill his promises, with which he is now cajoing the electorate.

      According to the Constitution government for approval by the Duma, represents the President.
      If the Duma does not approve from three attempts, the Government approves, it dissolves and new elections are called.
      Judges are appointed by the President of the Russian Federation in the manner prescribed by federal law.
      And yes, in the event of Grudinin’s victory, calmly “lying on the stove” will not work. Have to go to all sorts of elections and referenda. Aren't you afraid of this?
      And your speculation about the fact that "on the tail he has a trailer with Western owners," generally funny.
      You yourself wrote above -
      The monetary printing press at the Central Bank, the Central Bank - a branch of the Fed. The Fed will not give a cent for the promised Grudinin's paradise life. NOT FAVORABLE.

      But the Central Bank gives Putin money, so is it profitable? To whom? Fed and the "Western masters" ?! wassat
    4. free
      free 10 February 2018 21: 14
      +4
      Quote: cedar
      Quote: Klaus
      In my opinion, the trouble of our many fellow citizens is that the serf psychology of worshiping the tsar-priest is not completely eliminated. The apotheosis of such a psychology was very clearly expressed by Nikolai Rastorguev in the song "The Old Master". At some grateful listeners, under a glass - already a tear presses ..


      Everything is fine with the lyrics. Abnormal with the legislation that governs the power in the country. Even if Grudinin becomes president, he will not become power. The Constitution - the basic law prohibits him any authority. Power - The Duma, the Government, the Court are not obliged to fulfill his promises, with which he is now cajoing the electorate. The monetary printing press at the Central Bank, the Central Bank - a branch of the Fed. The Fed will not give a cent for the promised Grudinin's paradise life. NOT FAVORABLE.
      Grudinin is an example of a notorious demagogue that everyone can watch and see, but since demagogy is a false political promise, he is also a speculator on the trust of people and the liquidator of Russia, since he has a trailer with Western owners on its tail, trying to change Putin’s Kremlin in any way .
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

      You accidentally (by chance?) Surrendered the chef!
  39. Height
    Height 10 February 2018 17: 28
    +5
    Quote: Vladivostok1969
    I’m a grandfather. I already have a granddaughter. Therefore, I transferred the money to the account. Of candidate Grudinin.

    You don’t need a knife for a fool, You’re lying to him from three boxes -
    And do what you like with him! (WITH)
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 10 February 2018 19: 12
      +4
      With Pavel Nikolaevich, we will take the wrong heights! The flag of our Motherland will fly not only at these foul Olympiads ... they will tremble with ... from the tricolor and the banner of Victory! I believe and advise you
  40. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 10 February 2018 17: 51
    +4
    Quote: seos
    I think it was a troll-transmission-fake, everything was planned in advance in order to create an example of an exemplary Steelworker

    I think it’s not only your grammar that is lame.
  41. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 10 February 2018 17: 58
    +2
    But do not tell me where you can see the depth measurements on the Moscow River? Aurora will pass or not? ...
    I’ll go to the polls .. But I’ll immediately destroy the ballot ...
    As V.Hoy would say, ..- All for. Bl ...
  42. seos
    seos 10 February 2018 18: 28
    +2
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Do you seriously think that Putin “shook hands” with Yeltsin to “reign” without US approval?

    Yeltsin did not put Putin; he was appointed as a compromise leader by the then financial and industrial "elites" among whom was a conflict.
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 10 February 2018 19: 18
      +3
      you confuse Delyagin with Glazyev, grandfather ... go to the stove to lie
      1. seos
        seos 10 February 2018 20: 27
        +4
        But you confuse Grudinin with Stalin ... and it is quite obvious that you tend to believe swindlers ...
      2. dSK
        dSK 10 February 2018 21: 58
        0
        Son, the “master” will put the “arrester” in the first round, there will be no second round. angry
  43. Cheburator
    Cheburator 10 February 2018 20: 23
    +16
    Navalny, Grudinin is a cunning plan of one very cunning D am
  44. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 10 February 2018 20: 24
    0
    He climbs out of his way to attract citizens to the polls.
  45. seos
    seos 10 February 2018 21: 37
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    “Who wanted to vote for Grudinin there?” Have not changed your mind yet? ”
    I did not change my mind.

    then look from 26 minutes:
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 11 February 2018 08: 05
      +6
      Well, I looked. What can I say, I used to relate to Starikov very evenly, but now he directly reminded me of Fedorov in his statements about “our national leader” and Grudinin’s far-fetched accusations. In general, another dreamer and Putin's licking.
      And I also liked his reasoning about socialists and bad-good capitalists. The reasoning of some naive simpletone, who was abstracted from current realities.
      A true communist, in his opinion, should be poor, have nothing, rest only in Sochi, eat with all from one pan and drive the domestic auto industry. And all this in order not to differ from ordinary people. But nothing that the life of ordinary people has now changed. In the courtyard of capitalism, everyone has been riding imported cars for a long time, they are going to rest over a hill. And a “stereotyped” Communist candidate (which Grudinin incidentally is not) without money and connections, according to Starikov’s criteria, simply could not have participated in the elections in modern capitalist Russia.
      The same Grudinin does not live in a castle behind a 3-meter-high fence in a specially protected area, but in an ordinary apartment at his state farm, where he talks daily with his employees who receive a decent salary. He has already explained everything about his accounts 10 times, I see no reason to procrastinate this topic.
      And most importantly, for some reason, Starikov, talking about the Communist Party and socialism, forgets that the Communist Party has long been not rejects private enterprise and not offers a rejection of the market and a return to the plan. The Communist Party proposes to develop a mixed economy in the country. And in such a situation, both large earnings and large capitals are possible without total equalization imposed from above. In the end, we have before our eyes examples of the Asian countries of the social bloc that have introduced market elements in the economy while maintaining state control over strategic industries, and are now developing at a rapid pace.
      In general, sits, carries some nonsense, the second Fedorov. I am disappointed in Starikov.
    2. populist
      populist 11 February 2018 09: 28
      +2
      Thanks to seos (I don’t know what to call you now) for the posted video. If Starikov used to be of little interest to me, now he does not exist for me at all, as a politician. negative I listened to these 15 minutes of lies, lies and verbiage. (from 26 to 41 min). Starikov, taking advantage of political underdevelopment request his adherents, is engaged in continuous deception of the public and ridiculous juggling of modern reality. laughing
  46. mak_sim
    mak_sim 11 February 2018 00: 45
    +1
    I can only quote the words of the protagonist from the movie "Oligarch":
    "They’re not only listening to you,
    but also smart people.
    You understand that it’s impossible
    production for 3 year double.
    Just as impossible
    grow pineapples in the tundra. "
    Apparently sternin and his entire team did not watch this film, but it would be necessary. They consider the people of Russia to be one which they are not able to fold two plus two, but life will put everything in its place.
    It’s clear about sternine’s promises to the Nazis, commies, partners and the rest of Shushar, because his main goal is to limit the power of the president and transfer all powers to the state council, which will decide everything in the country. And the State Council is our good old elites, from whose stupidity and slavery to the West everyone is already sick.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 11 February 2018 01: 57
      +2
      Quote: mak_sim
      then limit the power of the president and transfer all powers to the state council, which will decide everything in the country. And the State Council is our good old elites, from whose stupidity and slavery to the West everyone is already sick.

      So, for an example it is not necessary to go far. There is such a misunderstanding - Moldova is called. It’s the most. yes
  47. cedar
    cedar 11 February 2018 06: 24
    +3
    Quote: romey
    Quote: cedar
    [The monetary printing press at the Central Bank, the Central Bank - a branch of the Fed. The Fed will not give a cent for the promised Grudinin's paradise life. NOT FAVORABLE.
    Grudinin is an example of a notorious demagogue that everyone can watch and see, but since demagogy is a false political promise, he is also a speculator on the trust of people and the liquidator of Russia, since he has a trailer with Western owners on its tail, trying to change Putin’s Kremlin in any way .
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

    Buddy You are just hot. Now you are claiming that we have no money because the Fed will not give money to Grudinin. But he gives Putin and will continue to give ... Funny such Sovereignty. Russia. Putin Ek, it's like ... Welcome to our State Department agent camp. I’ll personally call Tillerson to open an account in your name. laughing


    Yeah. I heard a ring, but you don’t know where he is ...
    The United States certainly will not give a cent on the implementation of the social programs that the demagogue promised Grudinin. Why raise the standard of living in a colony so that a defeated enemy becomes a powerful competitor again?
    But the fact that would be an unfinished enemy and a competitor who began to resist, finish off, will give it and will not regret anything. So Grudinin and all of his liquidators ’shobla will not know the need for greenery if they behave correctly on the street and in the squares ...

    See the root. In Vukraine, on the Maidan, while they paid 200 dollars per diem for the Maydan, they behaved very correctly. When the Moor did his job, they stopped paying, the Maidan evaporated, the Maidan people resolved. The loot is over. The Nulond cookies were devoured and digested. Now there are many two-legged instead of fat in chocolate bites their elbows ...
    1. Romey
      Romey 11 February 2018 08: 16
      +2
      Masterpiece .... Recently you stated that the states will not give a cent to Grudinin. Now you claim that he will not need greenery ... You are already there somehow determined. And yes, of course. After your stunning comment, I’ll run off to sign up for edro ... If I’m serious, I don’t understand, do you really think we are idiots, or are you kidding in this way? laughing
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 11 February 2018 10: 55
        +3
        Well, here you need to clearly understand that the participants in the VO forum are clearly divided into two large groups, the first - “service” (and former retired employees) receiving salaries and nishtyaki from the state and the second - those who are forced to earn money in business working for yourself or for "uncle", that is, to offer their labor in the "market". Hence the different assessments in the "actions" of the government and Putin personally. If the first group used to “eat something without oil” and was forced to survive “spinning” as you like, then now they live a lot better and their salaries grow and pay and the length of service and other nishtyaks and, in general, under Late Putin, their life got better. But in the second group, it’s just the opposite — if it wasn’t easy in Yeltsin’s times, you could find your own “niche” with relative freedom of activity, but with Putin’s “rule” the business began to “squeeze”, “stifle” taxes and kickbacks, and in general the production field began to narrow for the sake of the power sector and the sectors of pumping out natural resources - it became more and more difficult to run a business just to earn money and, most importantly, you will not see any prospects for improvement, it will only get worse. This is where the misunderstanding of some participants in VO-others comes from. "Full, hungry does not mean" ....
        1. mak_sim
          mak_sim 11 February 2018 19: 24
          +3
          Yes, I remember well how under the Yeltsin business “blossomed”. Grandmas in the markets traded everything to make ends meet. Only thieves and grabbers lived well. Do not confuse this with entrepreneurship.
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 12 February 2018 05: 33
            +1
            Come on. Grandmothers then didn’t trade in order to earn money, but now they dispersed their cops — they shouldn’t trade without a license and just go away and try to live on one pension.
  48. cedar
    cedar 11 February 2018 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: romey
    Masterpiece .... Recently you stated that the states will not give a cent to Grudinin. Now you claim that he will not need greenery ... You are there somehow determined already. And yes, of course. After your stunning comment, I’ll run off to sign up for edro ... If I’m serious, I don’t understand, do you really think we are idiots, or are you kidding in this way? laughing


    Now I chewed and specified specifically for such masterpieces as you ...
  49. BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 11 February 2018 15: 21
    0
    Freeman,
    If the decrepit "Politburo" had been replaced on time

    These are completely different things. After Brezhny, another member of the watered bureau was to come, the system, in principle, was one-party. The leading role of the Communist Party was almost constitutionally fixed. Ideology is strongly dogmatized, based on the works of Marx and Lenin, and is strongly divorced from reality. Wow, stagnation.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 11 February 2018 16: 32
      +2
      BastaKarapuzik And today, 15:21
      These are completely different things. After Brezhny, another member of the polit bureau was to come ...

      The difference is only in the "outer shell", "entourage" so to speak.
      Many in Russia are waiting and want to know who Putin will call his "successor." So the essence of "inheritance of power", in principle, while remains the same.
      Threat. I believe that in politics, as in sports, you need to leave on time.
      Putin has already passed its "peak of glory." IMHO
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 12 February 2018 13: 31
      0
      Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
      The leading role of the Communist Party was almost constitutionally fixed.

      Yes, almost, but specifically. In article 6 of the Constitution of the USSR, where it was said (literally I won’t say it, but something like that) - the main directing and organizing force of society is the Communist Party. Why after August 1991, one of the main requirements was the abolition of Article 6 of the Constitution.
  50. demo
    demo 12 February 2018 06: 55
    +2
    Quote: Giants
    If Putin has reason to doubt the fidelity of the oath of the Russian security forces, it means that Putin is well aware that he is pursuing an anti-people’s policy and one day you can have a booty on the stake.

    No matter what kind of policy Putin is pursuing.
    The important thing is that the siloviki, very quickly from the servants of law and order, turn into Cerberus, fulfilling orders of those who have money in their hands.
    They begin to enrich themselves. And there is simply no time for them to serve the law.
    When else will there be an opportunity to grab?
    And Putin wanted his Wishlist. But he can’t do anything. Change the heads of the MVD-FSB every six months?
    Then these departments can simply be abolished.
    There was a completely vicious system.
    It is possible and necessary to deal with it, but in a different way. And in a different align