As a private museum in Sevastopol, hastened to declare himself the winner of the RWIO competition

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Previously, "IN" has already written about the strangeness in the activities of the Military Historical Society. Next in turn is a new embarrassment, in which, in unison, the RVIO and the private institution “35-I coastal battery” of Sevastopol are intertwined.



The essence of the matter is as follows. November 8 last year, RVIO announced the start of an all-Russian competition for the best regional militaryhistorical Museum dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad. Read about the contest here: https://rvio.histrf.ru/activities/projects/item-4246.

According to the regulations, ONLY MUSEUMS could apply, but in some miraculous way the RVIO accepted an application for participation from the Sevastopol “35 Battery” without noticing that ChUSMIMK (this is the legal form of the institution) is not a museum. This is the first oddity in history.



The second oddity is the principle of voting. Imagine if in a presidential election citizens could vote every day once a week! Well this is what a field for frauds and carousels would open! It was on this principle that the voting for the museum in the RWIO competition was built.

In official terms, this principle of voting casts doubt on the representativeness of its results.



Well, the third oddity - periodically "not working" vote. For example, on January 30 we could not vote for the museum on the Kursk Bulge because the buttons with the inscription "vote" simply disappeared. We received the following answer to our request to the RVIO about the reasons for such a conflict:

As a private museum in Sevastopol, hastened to declare himself the winner of the RWIO competition


We realized that the organizers call this a “minor malfunction.”

This is how the campaign looked on the RVIO website. And on the Sevastopol resources, extensive work was carried out on calls to vote for the “35 battery”. The case was set so widely that even in the local Vesti, stories about the battery team and their invaluable contribution began to appear. It should be noted that such advertisements for the tone of the narrative are usually removed on a commercial basis, in other words, by order of the advertiser.

And, surprisingly, of the 50 museums, the private institution “35-I coastal battery” got the most votes. Imagine ?!

On the night of February 1, the voting ended and the “leader” turned out to have 16957 votes, that is, the participant showed the maximum result at the finish.

And then began the extravaganza! Practically to the music of “We are the champions”, the director of the “35-I battery”, the legendary V. Volodin, from a bird's eye view, tiredly and condescendingly stated: “This means that until today we have worked well. We see that we have the potential. And now we need to think about how the museum will develop tomorrow, since we are so respected. ”It is an Oscar-winner, isn't it ?! “Thanks to my parents, thanks to the fans, thanks to God ...”

The media, echoing the legendary chummkovets Volodin, created the background to the victorious fanfare:









Unfortunately, these resources have already deleted these news from the site, but, as they say on the network, the cache remembers everything!

And then came 2 February, the day of the announcement of the results on the RVIO website. In the evening, an order appeared on the resource, in which the winners were called:



As the attentive reader sees, the order does not include the word "winners" of the institution associated with the 35-I Coastal Battery. But how so? After all, this institution won the most votes - as many as 16957 votes and not a voice less! But we guessed what the secret of such a collapse is.

A bad end was laid by the Chusmika employees when they began a campaign to scale up votes for themselves. Apparently, they did not very carefully read the position of the competition, in which it was clearly written:



The most important word here is “carefully”, which should be interpreted in the sense that the RWIO, for all its carelessness in work, will not be substituted and receive a vote wrap, and most importantly it will not award money places to institutions that are not registered in accordance with with the laws of the Russian Federation museums. This is not a German machine for you to stick to the monument, it can already be interpreted as financial fraud.

What is the result? As a result, so that the “leaders of the vote” were not offended, the “35 coastal battery” received two letters, one of which, which is very symbolic, for “loyalty to the topic”.



In the light of previously conducted investigations into this institution, which illegally buries human remains on its territory and does many shocking things, the phrase “loyalty to the topic” can be interpreted as loyalty to the theme of the Ukrainian approach to activity - deception, falsification, fraud.

To get acquainted with the question: About 35 Battery.
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  1. 0
    6 February 2018 04: 57
    As they say, in the pursuit of grants, all methods are "good."
    1. +2
      6 February 2018 05: 50
      Where does the prosecutor of Crimea look? This is a clearly organized attempt on a large scale fraud by a group of people. belay
      1. +5
        6 February 2018 05: 53
        Where does the prosecutor of Crimea look?

        To Moscow. He dreams of becoming a deputy of the State Duma, probably. winked
        1. +5
          6 February 2018 08: 02
          Yes, everywhere we have elections, tenders ... One appearance! Those who are on top - obgoryat, fool, a simple man, and he still worships them at the feet! Zyablitsov is an example of this. A decent man, honest, and loves the Kremlin, and justifies everything.
          1. +9
            6 February 2018 11: 09
            Quote: Author: Mokey Rusinov
            In the light of previous investigations by VO on this institution, which illegally bury human remains on its territory and does a lot of shocking things, the phrase “fidelity to the topic” can be interpreted as fidelity to the topic Ukrainian approach to activity - deception, falsification, fraud.
            The museum complex in Crimea "35 battery" is really built with private money, mainly from the enterprises of A.M. Chaly. It was built during the Ukrainian occupation (the beginning of construction in 2007) in spite of the Kiev authorities as a memory of the feat of Russian soldiers in a particular war and as a memory of the centuries of history of the Russian Crimea. It is unlikely that for Chaly these 300 thousand rubles for winning in some kind of online competition against the background of spending on the museum’s historical and memorial complex are of at least some interest.
            There is another feeling of loathing: the hero of the Russian spring, who made the most significant (one of) contribution to the reunification of Crimea with Russia, is accused of Ukrainians !!. It is in Jesuit, very Svidomo. It happens. Some time ago, a bunch of villains who supported the "Russian patriot" of the Master, tried to call Poklonskaya Ukrainian.
            One can only assume that interests are hidden behind such arrivals at Chaly (not only here). As I understand it, now the land of the museum complex, such a tidbit - the coast, cannot be built up by anything else.
            If there is any crime, then report to the appropriate authorities. In Ukraine, to insist on Russian in the SBU with a minimal or made-up motive is generally a matter of great valor and crap, a sign of Nazi self-identification. And you just don’t need to defame Russian heroes of the present and past.
            1. 0
              6 February 2018 12: 37
              Nicholas C.

              The Kiev authorities, before the Maidan coup, by the way, did not interfere with work on the territory of the former 35th battery. Why lie?

              One of the "pushers of the construction" was the Ukrainian deputy from the "Party of Regions" Vadim Kolesnichenko. Moreover, it was his efforts and the efforts of part of the Ukrainian government to push through the law on the election of the mayor of Sevastopol, and the “brand 35th battery” was associated exclusively with the name of the “patriot” Chaly.

              Only Chaly never spoke of Sevastopol’s RETURN to Russia, but always pedaled the idea that "Sevastopol must be defended." Silent only that he must be defended before being elected mayor on a patriotic wave, but in Ukrainian jurisdiction. And then - “topple into the gray cardinals” yourself and from around the corner do the restructuring of Sevastopol in Chalovsk, again in Ukrainian jurisdiction. Well, or to the extreme - in the "republic of the island of Crimea."

              And when the intended one didn’t work out, Chaly quickly dumped the mayor and “scored a bolt” on the “city” deputy, being himself a deputy, and sent Sevastopol residents to a well-known erotic address. If this is a "hero", then who is the traitor?
              1. +5
                6 February 2018 13: 05
                Quote: Ostromir
                Ukrainian deputy ... Vadim Kolesnichenko
                It seems true, but it sounds in Jesuit. This is one of the iconic figures in the struggle for the rights of the oppressed Russian majority in Ukraine then under the former independent authorities.
                Quote: Ostromir
                The Kiev authorities, before the Maidan coup, by the way, did not interfere with work on the territory of the former 35th battery. Why lie?
                You are trying to lie here. On ukropprincipe - maybe a ride. But the matter was loud. One attempt by the Kiev “Gauleiter” Kuritsyn to take away the territory of the museum complex, partially successful, is worth it. Now the problem is to return through the courts stolen by the Kiev occupiers. https://ru-sevastopol.livejournal.com/215437.html
                sevastopol.su/news/sevastopolyu-vozvrashchayut-bo
                lee-semi-gektarov-zemli-vozle-35-y-batarei-i-fiol
                entovskogo
                About A.M. Chaly also do not need to lie. His activities were in plain sight, well known and received due praise. President of Russia Putin V.V. awarded A.M.Chaly the Order of Merit to the Fatherland I degree.
                1. 0
                  6 February 2018 14: 09
                  Nikolay S.!

                  And where does the land in general, if we are talking about the territory of the former 35th battery, taken by Chaly on lease EXACTLY from the Kiev authorities? Or - Istanbul presented it to him for rent?

                  Yes, and General Vlasov, at one time, also had awards "from the Kremlin" - so what?

                  Kolesnichenko is an iconic figure ?! What is the sign of the struggle to give the Russian language in Ukraine the status of a regional “for the Papuans”, and the Russian as a national minority?
                  1. +5
                    6 February 2018 15: 05
                    Ah there it is. General Vlasov, the Kremlin - a familiar set of "arguments" of the Jesuit propagandists of the Bandera-fascist junta for demagogy for any reason. Coincidence?
                    Quote: Ostromir
                    Kolesnichenko is an iconic figure ?! What is the sign of the struggle to give the Russian language in Ukraine the status of a regional “for the Papuans”, and the Russian as a national minority?
                    Lying again. In order to give Russian the status of the state language in Ukraine, a referendum had to be held, and for that, in the Rada, too, a sufficient number of non-fascist votes had to be held. Therefore, Kolesnichenko took advantage of the relevant European charter to give the Russian language at least some protection. Immediately after the coup, the Bandera-fascist junta repealed Kolesnichenko’s law, i.e. in fact, banned the Russian language, which was the reason for the first civil disobedience in the Southeast, and then the civil war, because junta troops sent to exterminate the protesters themselves, by cowardice and venality, armed the dissenters. Seeing the scale of the protest, the bloody pastor formally in Jesuit canceled the cancellation. But the law does not apply. In Ukraine, genocide.
                    Kolesnichenko’s position at the then press conference incl. Svidomo propagandists: antifashist.com/time-line/838-vadym-kolesnichenko
                    -about-russian-and-ukraine-nazism.html

                    Quote: Ostromir
                    and where does the land in general, if we are talking about the territory of the former 35th battery, taken by Chaly on lease EXACTLY from the Kiev authorities?
                    The earth is just the first thing. Chaly built on his museum historical and memorial complex. And EXACTLY a representative of the Kiev government nicknamed Gauleiter took part of the land from the historical and memorial complex and distributed it to the invaders. All this massive propaganda campaign on various resources against the museum and Chaly personally, in my opinion, organized, may have interested persons (customers): either those who do not want to return the stolen, or those who still want to grab. Under Poklonskaya, all this bandera was sitting with her tail between her legs, all the attempts on Poklonskaya suited.
                    PS. I don’t know how VO fits into all this. The site is clearly not of this orientation.
                    1. 0
                      6 February 2018 15: 39
                      Nikolay S.!

                      No, the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the essence. For the speech, in fact, is about WHAT this pseudo “museum” is doing on this earth. And this “museum” is doing out an ABSOLUTELY lawlessness in relation to the history of the defense of Sevastopol, who defended the city in memory and fooled the younger generations. Do you understand the difference?

                      Now, as for "Europe with the Charter" and Kolesnichenko with it .... The reason for the civil war in Ukraine was the result of the domestic policy of ALL Ukrainian politics over ALL years of independence, and therefore the blame lies personally with Kolesnichenko for bringing the situation in Ukraine to a fascist coup. Did you think that Ukrainians are not Russian? Counted. Including so thought and Kolesnichenko, in mrii directed to "civilized Europe." And he NEVER urging ALL Ukraine to return to Russia, now he is an INDIVIDUAL citizen of Russia and even a member of some Russian party.

                      Not a political refugee fighting against the junta in his homeland, but just a citizen of a country alien to Ukraine. That is - a deserter. And betrayed time - will always betray.
                      1. +3
                        6 February 2018 16: 25
                        Quote: Ostromir
                        this “museum” is working out ABSOLUTELY lawlessness in relation to the history of the defense of Sevastopol, who defended the city in memory and fooled the younger generations.

                        In order not to seem like an ABSOLUTELY unfounded Jesuit liar, you give examples of how people who talk about, for example, the Yeltsin Center do it. Then there will be an object to think about and compare.
                        Quote: Ostromir
                        he NEVER urging ALL Ukraine to return to Russia, now he is an INDIVIDUAL citizen of Russia and even a member of some Russian party.
                        Not a political refugee fighting against the junta in his homeland, but just a citizen of a country alien to Ukraine. That is - a deserter. And betrayed time - will always betray.
                        Funny Jesuit. Only Kolesnichenko did not individually leave and did not betray anyone. THE WHOLE Crimea almost unanimously voted for the inability to remain in that Ukraine. And could Crimea remain within Ukraine after the killing of people by Bandera near Korsun? In Ukraine, fascists kill, burn and burn people, not only in Odessa. Here is the next shoot completely fresh. The fascist authorities will not touch any of these fascists, as they did not touch the killers of Oles Buzina, on the contrary, they will carry them on their hands.
                        Calling Kolesnichenko a traitor, you have unequivocally indicated on whose side you are a mishandled Cossack.
                        www.politnavigator.net/video-terrora-boevikov-azo
                        va-shokirovalo-set.html
                    2. 0
                      6 February 2018 20: 45
                      Nicholas C.

                      A native of Uman Kolesnichenko declared Ukraine to be his Homeland, not Crimea or Sevastopol, the SIGNABLE inhabitants of which NEVER identified themselves with Ukraine. And when fascism came to HIS Ukraine, he didn’t go to Donbass to fight him, but drove him into the Crimean bushes, and his boss Yanukovych went even further.

                      However, let Kolesnichenko independently deal with his conscience. So, according to the article, there was no forgery on the part of museum workers who announced their “victory”?
                      1. +2
                        6 February 2018 22: 29
                        Quote: Ostromir
                        he didn’t go to Donbass to fight him, but instead drove into Crimean bushes

                        Do not even try to mislead me. Who will believe you. Kolesnichenko has been living in Crimea since Soviet times. He is one of the authors of the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The very one that was trampled by the Ukrainian occupation power. Kolesnichenko, when he worked in Ukrainian politics, was one of the few there who did not wig like a cheap prostitute and who has a conscience. You make such claims to yours. And then Klimkin was born in the RSFSR, his father-in-law was awarded the Russian medal "for the return of the Crimea". Etc.
                        Quote: Ostromir
                        So, according to the article, there was no forgery on the part of museum workers who announced their “victory”?
                        What forgery are we talking about? Museum workers announced what they saw. But who was interested in the counter-wrapping scandal, the question. Chalom obviously doesn’t need this. Even for a schoolboy, a fan of the museum, I see no reason. The only suspected winding customers are those who thieves, illegally, received land 35 batteries from the Ukrainian occupation authorities and does not want to return it in court. Or, less likely, raiders. To create a cheap informational occasion, scandal, pump up emotions, lead the court and law enforcement agencies into cheap demagogy is a typical Jesuit Ukrainian logic.
                      2. +1
                        7 February 2018 12: 49
                        Quote: Ostromir
                        a cheap demagogue, eh, Nikolai S.?

                        Who is the cheap Ukrainian demagogue from infoviisk in this thread, the people decided in the comments. You are trying to slander people because they did something for their money for Crimea, devoting part of their life to this. And this is something that most people like.
                        To you, who have not received a decent upbringing, education, because You’re poking and rude to people in Ukrainian here, it’s unlikely it will be clear why, but I’ll ask: What have you done for Crimea and Russia personally, what can you be proud of?
                    3. 0
                      7 February 2018 12: 05
                      In order to give Russian the status of the state language in Ukraine, a referendum had to be held, and for that, in the Rada, too, a sufficient number of non-fascist votes had to be held. Therefore, Kolesnichenko took advantage of the relevant European charter to give the Russian language at least some protection. Immediately after the coup, the Bandera-fascist junta repealed Kolesnichenko’s law, i.e. actually banned the Russian language, which was the reason for the first civil disobedience in the Southeast, and then the civil war,

                      why don’t you hear ..
                      Constitution of Ukraine
                      Article 10.
                      The official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian.
                      The state ensures the comprehensive development and functioning of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of public life throughout Ukraine.
                      In Ukraine, the free development, use and protection of Russian and other languages ​​of national minorities of Ukraine is guaranteed.
                      Kivalov’s law Kolisnichenko is a bone to the electorate (Russian-speaking) instead of the promised bilingualism (amending the Constitution through a referendum, since there was a majority of the Party of Regions in the Rada, but like EP they don’t make anything out of the promised)
                      In general, they equated Russian from interethnic and constitutional to minority languages ​​(by the way, the law is about all minority languages, and not about Russian)
                      When it was canceled (in fact, they returned the status of interethnic to Russian), then all the Russian mass media exploded that "Russian was banned," which is fundamentally wrong. But the untwisted flywheel of the information war almost blew up Ukraine from the inside. And I still read fakes about the Russian ban. I think, uh, since 2014 I have spoken and said and written (unless official for the state is needed in Ukrainian, and not always)
  2. +8
    6 February 2018 07: 04
    Ah-ah-ah ..
    But what is the author of the article modestly silent about the fact that a private museum is absolutely free for everyone to visit?
    And tours there are also free.
    1. 0
      6 February 2018 10: 45
      white_f!

      Yes, there is no museum at the 35th - some show-offs! And because these show-offs, like, are free-of-charge, there is no responsibility for what is being done in this Chushmimka.
      1. +5
        6 February 2018 10: 55
        Quote: Ostromir
        Yes, there is no museum at the 35 — some show-offs!

        Mr. Ostmirov, I have already proposed to you how many times to close these show-offs and demolish the museum i.e. return to its original form!
        1. 0
          6 February 2018 11: 31
          Serg65!
          The territory is privately leased from the state. This is the first.

          Secondly, the PONT MUST contrast the TRUTH, so that people like you, gullible, do not feel dizzy at the words "museum on the 35th."

          Thirdly, the original appearance is that, the condition of the battery in May 1941 in full "tower form with guns and existing infrastructure"?
          1. +5
            6 February 2018 11: 42
            Quote: Ostromir
            Secondly

            Thirdly What is the truth brother?
            Quote: Ostromir
            the original appearance is that, the state of the battery in May 1941 of the year

            Well what are you. Mr. Ostromirov. it’s not even your sponsor wink force laughing
            Return to the state of 91 year ... can you?
            1. 0
              6 February 2018 13: 06
              Serg65!

              Your congress from the theme of the primordial appearance is counted.
  3. +6
    6 February 2018 07: 08
    Oh yes, return this battery to its original post-war Soviet look

    Business then! But the soul of many "wrestlers" will calm down and they will rest on the laurels of glory !!!!!
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 10: 37
      The current "owners" she got clearly in the wrong form
      1. +5
        6 February 2018 10: 51
        Quote: Romka47
        The current "owners" she got clearly in the wrong form

        And in what? Can you tell in what form the battery remains went to the "current owners" ??
        1. +2
          6 February 2018 12: 37
          In 1987, a stationary interferometric station of the Simferopol State University named after M.V. Frunze was equipped at the right command post of the 35th BB and its 450-meter loss, which is still operating. It is clear that roads were reconstructed with this, part of the infrastructure was restored. In addition, the right wing of the block of the 2nd tower and the right command post were used by a 1945-mm coastal battery No. 130 installed in 723 on the Cape Khersones until the 60s. After the war, work was carried out there (although there was certainly no complete reconstruction, there is no complete reconstruction now) And the museum historical and memorial complex “35th Coastal Battery” has existed only since 2007. Consequently, the current one she got obviously in the form in which she was "in the original post-war Soviet form"
          1. +5
            6 February 2018 13: 03
            Quote: Romka47
            Consequently, the current one she got obviously in the form in which she was "in the original post-war Soviet form"

            It was a closed territory until the end of the 91 year and I and you don’t know what it looked like, the photo above your first post looks at the battery in the 2005 year.
            Here is a modern look

            Find five differences
            1. 0
              6 February 2018 14: 23
              I’m not saying that they didn’t do anything, I’m saying that they obviously didn’t get into their hands in 1945. It’s obvious, of course, they certainly did a lot of work there
              1. +3
                6 February 2018 16: 31
                In 1945, they didn’t get what they were in 1917 and in general, today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it. Thank you, please.
  4. +1
    6 February 2018 09: 00
    Well, the guys have not yet completely outlived themselves completely as "Ukrainian freebies." What can you do? So they manipulate according to the old habit.
    1. +11
      6 February 2018 09: 19
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Well, the guys have not yet completely outlived themselves completely as "Ukrainian freebies."

      Greetings Captain hi
      It's not a freebie! In my opinion, everything is simpler .. the fact is that before the 2006 year, all the authorities (and the Soviet one) and the “fighters for the purity of ideas and bookkeeping” didn’t give a damn about this battery, and before the 2014 year they looked at all the “fuss” with this battery through his fingers, well, Chaly puts his MONEY into this garbage, well, are you a fool? Well, something unexpected happened, this “fool” Chaly suddenly appeared on the leading roles of the Russian spring in Sevastopol and was not easy to find, and also took full responsibility. Well, what a scoundrel, huh? And then this Chaly hurt the interests of the former Minister of Defense of Ukraine Pavlo Lebedev, who kept the floor of Sevastopol in assets. But Pavlo Valentinovich since childhood dreamed of how he would give Sevastopol to Russia, so she found a braid on a stone and hence the legs of this article and all the previous ones.
      Here bully
      This is the main "fighter" pan Lebedev
      1. +1
        6 February 2018 09: 28
        Greetings hi ! If you do not go into such nuances that you write about, then my assumption is based solely on unpleasant articles about officials and some individual residents of the Crimea. And in Russia I want to be the chief and be.
        1. +11
          6 February 2018 09: 45
          Quote: rotmistr60
          And in Russia I want to be the chief and be.

          You see, my friend, all my youth was spent in Sevastopol, and since I am interested in the history of my Motherland, so God himself ordered to go around and encircle all the surroundings of this holy city. The 35 battery is an exceptional place in Sevastopol, the history of this battery has been banned all post-war Soviet times! The fact that Chaly with his team lifted this ban and made free access to this patch of Sevastopol land watered tons blood of Soviet people, only for this I’ll be grateful to him for the grave of life !!!
          1. +1
            6 February 2018 11: 02
            Serg65!

            And what is the “exclusivity of the place” of the 35th battery more exceptional, for example, the 30th, which REALLY was at the epicenter of the battles or the LEGENDARY anti-aircraft 365th, which stuck at the Nazi’s throat for more than 200 days ?!

            And what kind of ban accompanied the 35th battery, and not the events of the last days of the defense of the city, which are now misinterpreted in Chushmimka? What tons of blood on a "piece of land" ?! If you really don’t know anything - why do you whistle so figuratively?
            1. +6
              6 February 2018 11: 58
              Quote: Ostromir
              And what kind of ban accompanied the 35 battery itself,

              You are Mr. Ostromirov, I understand perfectly well that you need an explosion of the indignant voice of your people on your article and my opinion doesn’t fit into your plan, on the basis of your unscrupulousness I do not consider it necessary to enter into further debate, but you will answer for Sevastopol, You see, not myself will figure out where the truth is, but where is personal interest!
              hi
              1. 0
                6 February 2018 13: 11
                Serg65!

                If you WANTED to understand, then the "back" would not include. And which of you is a polemicist?
                The people “on the 35th” and around it are FOOLING, and here you frighten with some answers for the truth about the fooling happening in that “museum”. We didn’t boast about riding ...
      2. +1
        6 February 2018 10: 54
        Serg65!

        About Chaly’s “own money” - did Chaly tell you? So he deceived you.

        And in the “leading roles” In the spring of 2104 it was not Chaly, but the WHOLE people of Crimea and Russia with the support of “polite people” and “green men”. Whoever does not understand this is that: either a provocateur or a real "fool."

        There are no complaints against Lebedev from the Russian authorities. You have? Maybe you did it so that they could take the murdered Berkut from Kiev?

        And the article says that there is NO Museum on the 35th, and there is a private shop CHUSMIMK, such as “horns and hooves”, speculating on patriotism.
        1. +6
          6 February 2018 11: 37
          Quote: Ostromir
          Caly told you?

          Well, you, Mr. Ostromirov, do not poke me; I did not sit in the same trench with you!
          Quote: Ostromir
          Yes, and in the "leading roles" In the spring of the 2104 of the year it was not Chaly, but the WHOLE people of the Crimea and Russia with the support of "polite people" and "green men."

          lol Yes, yes it’s done so, and Chaly there simply stood by the bush and accidentally hit the lens! Oh, what a bastard!
          Quote: Ostromir
          Whoever does not understand this is that: either a provocateur or a real "fool."

          Mr. Smirnov, I personally appeal to you .... on what basis are you looking for the slightest reason to spread rot with your bans people who disagree with your point of view and turn a blind eye to the rudeness and provocations of your henchmen?
          Quote: Ostromir
          There are no complaints against Lebedev from the Russian authorities

          My friend, what are the claims against a person with such a wallet?
          Quote: Ostromir
          And the speech in the article that there is NO Museum on the 35

          So take it down! At least it will be a proof of your words! And at the same time, a nondescript house in the vicinity of the battery, the owner of which, quite by accident, turned out to be someone Pavlo Valentinovich Lebedev!
          1. +1
            6 February 2018 13: 31
            Serg65!

            Chaly stood not at the bush, but in a coma behind the rostrum on February 23. And he very much mandrained to go out on it, until a “hero” was brought out under the pens before the people's eyes.

            Yes, and houses like Lebedev's other local patriots-will be even better. What do you personally want from that house? Or do you think that Chaly lives in a hut?
        2. 0
          6 February 2018 12: 14
          In my opinion, someone else is speculating on patriotism .... (but with a clearly non-patriotic purpose).
  5. +8
    6 February 2018 09: 34
    Such an ugly article could have come either from the pen of offended night wolves, which were prevented by grabbing the 3-square-meter land in Sevastopol, or from the pen of the former menilovites who were just used to poisoning Chaly without disdaining anything, or from the pen of the minions of local developers who are used to to tear the city land, and Chaly stepped on their tail seriously, that’s raging.

    And the museum is excellent. I was on the battery in the late 90s (I climbed along and across) and saw what was there and I can compare it with what became. A huge amount of labor and money has been invested! And all my friends and acquaintances who were there very highly appreciate the activities of the museum. At the same time, visiting the museum is free.

    The author of the article is a moral one.

    PS: the administration of the site, I am writing from Sevastopol, what the hell is your site drawing me hohloflagok?
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 11: 14
      IgorSevas!

      And what did you see? Did you see the territory where UNSANTIED land with tiles and asphalt went away with a 100% chance of finding the remains of our soldiers under them? Did you see the hillocks covered with grass and hazel in the paths on the land still without asphalt, along which hundreds of thousands of feet passed and trodden along the BONES of the defenders lying directly under the path? Well, they did not conduct a TOTAL study of the territory until visitors were allowed there “with show-offs in“ their museum ”? Etc…

      Then you still go into the garage of this museum and asked to show you the bones of the defenders of the city, dumped in bags in the garage of this "museum" ...
  6. +7
    6 February 2018 09: 55
    The letter is clearly paid, VO blacklist the author and do not mess with this ......
    1. 0
      11 February 2018 07: 10
      Unfortunately, the previous articles denigrating Chaly and the 35th BB went straight out of Skomorokhov’s pen, so we can say that the attacks on Chaly are part of the editorial policy of VO. And to wait for the cessation of the flow of slops is not necessary.
  7. +5
    6 February 2018 10: 03
    Please remove this shameful fascist collage
  8. +5
    6 February 2018 10: 18
    There are more questions to the organizers of the contest than to the museum, and I see nothing wrong with the Crimeans voting for their own. That is probably what most regions did. A wonderful museum that grew out of a landfill. Competent staff, everything will tell and show absolutely free. Custom article, take measures. (and then ban only for a free opinion)
  9. +8
    6 February 2018 11: 47
    The author is obviously biased. The explicit and visible goal is to pour mud. 35 battery is a treasure of Sevastopol. And a low bow to the people working there. And in this and the previous article there is a lot of LIES. The author is paid.
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 13: 25
      fortnet!

      Dirt, meanness and vileness - this is dancing in a drunken rock frenzy at a rock concert 10 meters from the graves of the defenders and urinating in the grass in a funnel three meters opposite the graves - and all this in agreement with the leadership of the “museum”.

      Or with reverence to hold an exhibition of the heroic path of the Nazis on Sevastopol’s land, as the same directorate of the “museum” arranges.

      And about the lies read the link:

      http://ruinformer.com/page/35-ja-beregovaja-batar
      eja-podmenjaet-sevastopolcam-i-gostjam-goroda-ist
      oriju
      1. +3
        6 February 2018 14: 14
        ruinformer.com ....
        Everything is clear with you if you refer as arguments to the well-known information dump, which Vruinformer is.
        1. +1
          6 February 2018 15: 50
          IgorSevas!

          And what can you essentially object to the article, but not to the address of the resource?
      2. +5
        6 February 2018 14: 20
        The leadership of the "museum" has already apologized and explained on this occasion and made conclusions for itself. If you relish it and you will not calm down in any way. Your lies in juggling the facts. And Oktyabrsky was dragged here. And the German generals. They prepared a kind of vinaigrette and treat the people in the belief that "people pick it up." What do you know about his role in the defense of Chersonesos and where he went from there. It does not seem that you would be interested in this topic, learn something and read about it from direct documents, letters, memoirs. So do not lie so beautifully. The excursion to the 35th battery is my deepest impression of visiting Sevastopol. Books are sold there, written by participants and eyewitnesses. You bought something there - read it?
        1. +1
          6 February 2018 15: 48
          fortnet!

          Apologize ?! When, where and in front of whom? And why did the “patriotic museum” mock in principle? So they can put their apologies into their anus as deep as possible ...

          What, and there was no exhibition about fascists?
          And what kind of Chersonesos is Taurian ancient Greek ?? - Oktyabrsky defended ?!
          And here, tell me, expert, about letters and about documents - and everyone will listen.
          1. +4
            6 February 2018 16: 31
            "And what kind of Chersonesos is Taurian ancient Greek ??"
            You just go crazy in your rage. Those who need it know or find out
            and why do you need it, they will not make money for the truth.
            1. +3
              6 February 2018 17: 26
              PS Chersonesos is Cape Chersonesos.
              Sense to discuss further?
              1. +1
                6 February 2018 20: 29
                fortnet!

                You would have stated your thoughts clearly, and not sprinkled saliva on the keyboard. Including about Khersones: this cape, peninsula or ancient settlement.

                So, what books and documents did you study about which you started so briskly?
                1. 0
                  7 February 2018 08: 57
                  Rude is not necessary. If you are not in the subject, but judging by your posts that there’s not, then it looks like you weren’t in the museum of 35 batteries either. What to talk about?
                  1. +1
                    7 February 2018 10: 03
                    fortnet!

                    Having been born and living his whole life in Sevastopol, he was in the territory of the former 35th battery with boys, even when it was possible to make his way through the grafts in some places only on karachki, and in the “Blue Bay” and under the cliffs of the so-called “Horse beam” at the bottom of the sea was still lying iron from various techniques.

                    I’ve been to the so-called “museum”, where the museum with all the MUSEUM filling of this word with meaning - I repeat once again - NO. And there is a group of provocatively swaggering amateurs, in which there is not one PROFESSIONAL historian, not one PROFESSIONAL archivist, not one PROFESSIONAL museum specialist, and who study the history of the defense of Sevastopol in feature films or fiction in the style of a la fantasy, and then thus, the "informational" porridge "meaningful" by them is impudently and cynically offered to visitors from the lips of the guides as the "truth" in the last resort.
                    Therefore, they are called CHUSMIMK ...
                    Indeed, what to talk about.
                    1. +1
                      7 February 2018 11: 19
                      "study the history of the defense of Sevastopol on feature films" -
                      Are you talking about films that are shown in the museum itself? Did you watch them? And, of course, can you expose what is fantasized there?
                      Does the name Yuri Padalka not tell you anything?
                      What is the last resort of truth for you is hard to imagine, probably you yourself. But apart from provocative posts like "And what kind of Chersonesos ..." in the dispute over the museum there are 35 BB, nothing constructive or evidence that would be worth attention.
                      1. 0
                        7 February 2018 11: 43
                        Well, you won’t argue with that:
                        The surrender of more than 80 thousand fighters, the government noted "with dignity." In 1958, Admiral F. S. Oktyabrsky received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, became an honorary citizen of Sevastopol; he was named after a warship, training unit of the Black Sea Fleet, street ... Army General I.E. Petrov in 1945 became a Hero of the Soviet Union, was awarded five orders of Lenin, two military orders ... At the end of the XX century. it seems that they completely forgot about the Sevastopol disaster. In the “Calendar of Memorable Dates of Russian Military History”, published in 1999 by the Russian State Historical and Cultural Center under the Government of the Russian Federation, on p. 230 can be read: “03.07.1942/250/54 After the XNUMX-day defense, Sevastopol was left by the Soviet troops. During the defense, XNUMX city defenders were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. ”
                        Vitaliy Dotsenko. Myths and legends of the Russian fleet
                      2. 0
                        7 February 2018 19: 30
                        fortnet!

                        Yuri Padalka is a defense participant and an eyewitness of events ?! Is it who now speculates with books on the battery in his spare time from working in the Panorama? Well, you're a joker!
  10. 0
    6 February 2018 11: 48
    Then we attach Crimea, but we didn’t clean it from Ukrainian trash! It is a pity of course, but apparently on the "top" it is more visible how and what to do!
    1. +2
      6 February 2018 15: 17
      You call the history of your people, your roots Ukrainian trash? I really feel sorry for you. Apparently the spirit of a liberalist has reached you.
  11. +7
    6 February 2018 12: 13
    The ticket is free, the 2 route itineraries, the guides are excellent, the duration of the 1,5 hour. Why throw mud at good beginnings? Before 2009, the battery was a sorting and trash bin of dachas under construction.
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 13: 17
      KOMA!

      Free?! Yes, from organized tourists, for example, from the South Coast, tour operators, by “agreement” with the directorate, are chopped up under the guise of “charity”!
      On the other hand, what is there to pay for - a “walk” along the swept trails and for the stories of “guides” among the concrete about how the bosses “betrayed” and “abandoned” everyone?
      1. +7
        6 February 2018 14: 15
        Stop lying!
      2. +6
        6 February 2018 15: 15
        Free. Betrayed and abandoned? The words of a patriot are not felt in your words. The bile provocateur is felt. I have been there more than once. The feelings and feelings that you get there cannot be called completely lost. Throw mud at the heads of your children.
      3. +3
        9 February 2018 15: 39
        Nothing like this. Three times I was on a savage excursion, completely free. The stories of the guides in the sweeping victims not only that they were all betrayed and abandoned, but also about the exploits of the last defenders of the 35 battery and the airfield of Chersonesos adjacent to the battery array. To which I am not sentimental, but I even knock out a tear there.
  12. +3
    6 February 2018 20: 52
    And again Sevas! Neither Kerch, nor Yalta, nor Theodosius damn me! .. Sevastopol. Everything there is some kind of “grater”, everything is there some sort of showdown with the division of what actually does not belong to the dividing ones. It should be tempered by blowing cheeks to figures from the hero city. With all due respect. [I] [/ i] hi
    1. +4
      7 February 2018 06: 58
      For gas cutting.
      My native city-hero Sevastopol only ukrotvari contemptuously called sevas. Cause shut your black mouth and don’t yap
      1. 0
        7 February 2018 12: 10
        Quote: Yuri Guliy
        My native city-hero Sevastopol only ukrotvari contemptuously called sevas

        I didn’t hear that name when I was in St. Petersburg; I heard it.
        by the way, maybe just a reduction, for example
        http://sevas.com
      2. +3
        7 February 2018 21: 53
        "Because shut your black mouth and don’t yap."
        I, my native vodka, did not drink with you, and did not baptize children. Therefore, I do not need to poke. In the case, there is also nothing to tell you. This once again confirms my previous post. Smaller cheeks dear dear.
        If you are not vkurse (and you are generally local?) - everyone calls it that. Like Simferopol-Simfer.
        1. +2
          7 February 2018 22: 17
          Speaking of birds! Either your children fall out of the windows of the kindergarten with head injuries, or the football gates fall, the children are crippled again, how much in vain. You would really care about that. My dear.
        2. +2
          9 February 2018 15: 48
          If you allow to call Simferopol dismissively, this is your business. But Sevastopol is not Simferopol, he is so abundantly watered with Russian blood, that even in the times of Ukraine there were beaten muzzles for the name Sevas.
  13. +1
    7 February 2018 09: 45
    Nikolay S.,

    So I understand that by the EXISTENCE of the article you have nothing to say. Nothing to tell you about the EXISTENCE of events related to the completion of the defense of Sevastopol. That is, in these matters you are a complete PROFAN. To mislead you makes no sense - you are in it, in error, you are completely on your own and violently.

    With regards to Ukraine, which is so exciting for you ... I repeat to you again, namely, ALL Ukrainian politicians who were “in Ukrainian politics” at the time of the fascist coup in Kiev are to some extent guilty of what happened. This is an obvious fact.

    However, the article did not talk about the rogue Kolesnichenko and other independent, but about the pseudo "museum" on the 35th battery.
    In which - and this, too, FACTS - rock concerts take place on the graves, and the remains of the defenders lie for months in bags in the garage, glorify the Nazis, drape monuments with rags so that some actresses curl around them, human bones are not buried in their private cemetery always of an understandable origin, the guides talk about the total betrayal of the top command staff of the Sevastopol defense region, smear with mud of the same October, by the way, Hero of the Soviet Union, and so on, so on, so on ...

    But you shy away from these FATALIZING EXTREMELY FUNNYING FACTS, like hell from incense, but you call people who create such things almost "saints" !?
    Well, ukto then a cheap demagogue, eh, Nikolai S.?
    1. 0
      9 February 2018 15: 45
      The evacuation of Oktyabrsky and Petrov took place on the orders of the Supreme Command, they could not disobey the order, by October only claims about the evacuation of ammunition and equipment to the Caucasus after the first assault on Sevastopol, and Petrov was rumored to shoot himself, but not given. By the way, this is also told by the 35 battery guides.
  14. +5
    7 February 2018 18: 45
    I would like to enlighten all readers of the site what the 35th Coastal Battery Museum is in Sevastopol. This is the most popular museum of the city among tourists and one of the most unique places in the Crimea and the world. And the fact that this private museum and other museums do not want to cooperate with it is absolutely not affected by the flow of tourists. Entrance there - b-s-p-la-t n y! To bring an organized group there, you need to conclude a contract for a year in advance, then call with confirmation in a week and clearly specify the time. The museum tour is just awesome!
    And let's talk about Chersonese better - after the federal funding for free admission ended and the director (a lady with a specialized education from the mainland!) Moaned for all year on all local airs about the lost profit and the “at least one hundred rubles” admission, she made an entrance 300 (three hundred rubles) and lost a third of tourists, which was quite predictable. Therefore, not everything is so simple - before telling something bad about the 35th Battery - visit it first, and then look at Chersonesos. And after that - draw conclusions!
  15. 0
    7 February 2018 19: 37
    fortnet!

    Do you have any complaints about Oktyabrsky and Petrov in the REALITIES of that time? However, you are a brave commander. Then initiate the process of depriving them of the title of Heroes.

    By the way, how did you "surrender"?
    Did they send a telegram to Manstein so that he would meet 80 soldiers surrendering on the orders of Oktyabrsky and Petrov?
    1. +1
      7 February 2018 20: 03
      In the mid-60s, in the Sevastopol school where I studied, military children massively skipped classes. It turned out that a rumor was circulating about the arrival of Oktyabrsky in the schools and the guys rushed to the station to meet him “joyfully”. Oktyabrsky wisely did not appear in Sevastopol, and our school principal (former front-line soldier) did not punish any truant.
    2. +1
      8 February 2018 09: 58
      Joking was not tired. Tens of thousands of fighters were left to certain death by the leadership, quietly escaped to save their skins. The telegram of the rate that there would be no crossing to the Caucasus resolved the matter. The admiral, and so weighed down by heavy defense, having received it, was scared. I handed over the city (they blew up the adits), rolled back to the cape and waved to everyone with a pen. He previously sent several plaintive requests for his (personal) evacuation to the headquarters. These materials were not disclosed in due time. But people who still managed to survive, talked about this tragedy. According to these sources, eyewitness accounts (as well as German documents), for example, Yuri Padalka, wrote a book. And someone else is speculating on the topic.
  16. +2
    8 February 2018 10: 40
    Quote: Ostromir
    fortnet!

    Do you have any complaints about Oktyabrsky and Petrov in the REALITIES of that time? However, you are a brave commander. Then initiate the process of depriving them of the title of Heroes.
    .......
    And how many were captured and died in Brest, near Smolensk, near Minsk, near Kiev or Vyazma?

    The tragedy of the Red Army, especially 1941, was all-embracing and MUCH causal.

    Then, the WHOLE top command, especially the General Staff and Headquarters, abandoned everyone and betrayed everyone in 1941-42?


    You are probably paid well for juggling the facts and lying.

    Surrounded by Vyazma, breaking through with his army, Major General Rakutin died.
    The commander of the 19th army, Lukin was wounded and captured.
    None of the commanding personnel abandoned their army and did not surrender.
  17. +2
    11 February 2018 20: 53
    Perhaps there are museums more ambitious, majestic than the 35th battery. And there were procedural violations in the competition ... This does not change the essence. This is a good deed of Mr. Chaly. Twice there I was with children and teachers. This is an outstanding source of patriotism, a monument of sorrow and military spirit. Everything is done smartly and efficiently. I did not see the commercial component ... The idea of ​​the article is simply unacceptable for VO.