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Putin's many-ways moves: why does the Kremlin spin Grudinin

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The Russian election presidential race never ceases to amaze. Following the nomination of a whole “platoon” of clowns and a long pause taken by Vladimir Putin, suddenly, for no reason at all in December 2017, literally all Russian media all suddenly began to promote Pavel Grudinin. Yes, yes, it is PR. And it is worthwhile to pay tribute to them, they did not eat their bread for nothing, and were able to unleash the one who was needed in a very short time. What for? I would venture to express my opinion.

In the Communist Party "always ready" to help the authorities

I'm still a stranger in Russia, so I see the situation from a slightly different angle. Personally, after analyzing the activities of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation for all 26 years that have passed since the collapse of the USSR, only one of its bright qualities caught my eye. She is always ready to go under the authority, and under any. Even in 1996, the Communists won the presidential election under Yeltsin.

Putin's many-ways moves: why does the Kremlin spin Grudinin


Let me remind you, all this was in the tumultuous 90-e, when the power actually lay under my feet. Today is the year 2018, when all power in Russia is firmly in the hands of Vladimir Putin. Should we expect in these conditions from the helpful communists a different behavior pattern? In my opinion, the answer is obvious. No, not worth it. And now, having dealt with this, let's take a closer look at the Russian presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin.

Black PR is PR first

I will not discuss his strengths and weaknesses. This is all meaningless, and you will now understand why. In fact, all that we see is a game, and with only one goal and with a result known in advance.

That is why all those who are out of this game are so angry at Grudinin today.

Let's ask one simple question: Whose audience should be spud Grudinin? That's right, the opposition. And what is the best way to put it under it? That's right, berating him on what light stands on the central channels. And the more they scold him there, the more positive the effect for the Kremlin will be. Rather, it already has.



In fact, in Russia, when someone is really struggling with someone, they simply turn him off from the airs. And how "turned off" Grudinina? He calmly leads public duels with Zhirinovsky, and not just anywhere, but on “First” and “Russia 1”. Everything is written about him, and so much so that Pavel Grudinin has just not been dreaming most of the Russian voters.

It is also necessary to argue in favor of the version that Grudinina is simply being promoted as the leader of the opposition?

For what? And let's think about it.

Choices

There were exactly two options. The first. Putin goes to the polls and is elected for another term. Second. Putin does not go to the polls and points to the applicant who will be chosen by the people who trust him completely.

Moreover, each variant had to use its own victory tactics with minimal reputational losses with the maximum result.

Until the beginning of December, 2017, everything said that Putin would not go to the polls. Moreover, the matter was not so much in a clearly prolonged pause as in the background created around the elections themselves. They frankly turned into a farce.



Everything changed dramatically with the decision of Vladimir Putin to be elected for a second term. Now the introductory has changed dramatically. The elections were to be held as spectacularly as possible, and Vladimir Vladimirovich did not have to win over Vladimir Volfovich, who in Russia had not been considered by the opposition for a long time, but a real opposition leader, New, young, energetic, but predictable. That is, the one that still had to blind.

Moreover, this opposition leader may well be created with an eye on the next elections in order to prevent the emergence of a real opponent led from the outside at the moment when they will carry out Operation Successor.

If the flow cannot be stopped, it must be headed.

The choice fell on Pavel Grudinina, who suddenly had a lot of merit. First, he was able to "unite" leftist, moderate nationalists and moderate liberals. And this is extremely important. If you recall the Kiev Maidan, then it was a temporary union of these forces that made it possible to create a crowd, without which it was impossible to carry out a coup in Kiev. Yes, then their paths diverged, but it was no longer important. The United States have achieved.

Only a single candidate from the disgruntled leftists, radicals and liberals can make real competition ... no, not Putin, but the one who comes after him (and sooner or later it will happen). Only in this way can Washington achieve its goals in Russia. Understand all this in the Kremlin. And what is the best way to break the plans of the enemy? That's right, you have to lead them.



If Grudinin or someone else does this, then the problems of Operation Successor in Russia will be resolved.

Actually, that's the whole scheme. Now it remains only to see how it already works. It works great. In just a month of PR campaigns, the Kremlin managed to put Grudinin in the top of the most significant politicians in Russia. He has either bypassed or is about to bypass the second-to-Putin after Putin in the election race of Zhirinovsky. And he is no longer competitors all the rest. And most importantly, it was he who quickly began to pull over to himself that very protest electorate. What was required ... the Kremlin.

In general, now for the future of Russia you can be a little calmer. Apparently, everything near the Kremlin is under complete control.
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  1. HEATHER
    HEATHER 2 February 2018 06: 21 New
    +9
    Elections coming soon! Infiltrate all sites with breasts! Meaning?
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 2 February 2018 06: 43 New
      16
      Only for a long time they pulled with him. I jumped out like a devil from a snuffbox, please love and favor. smile
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 07: 09 New
        39
        Grudinin’s couple of times, they’ve let them stink on the Federal Channel !!! Putin is certainly better, it's nice to listen (every time before the Election)
        https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/476254-putin-b
        enziny-ceny-snizhenie: 3540827
        Russian President Vladimir Putin said that in the current situation there is an opportunity to reduce gas prices.
        It is reported by Tass.

        “Of course, I would like the price to nail in the current situation, and there seems to be an opportunity for this. In some regions, this is justified, because the delivery is complex, the infrastructure is not developed. But the FAS should always watch for this, I’ll talk about this with the head of the department, ”he said.

        The head of state also noted that the currently established prices are related to the cost of oil. Moreover, this indicator is not the main one.

        “The price of the primary product is quite high now - at $ 70 per barrel. But mainly this is not the case, but in excise taxes. The government is raising excise taxes, the proceeds of which should go and go for repair and construction of roads, ”Putin added.

        He made this statement while talking to workers at the Rostselmash plant.
        love the election! ... tongue
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 2 February 2018 08: 17 New
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          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Grudinin’s couple of times, they’ve let them stink on the Federal Channel already !!!

          Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering". Moreover, a very good attitude to Sobchak on federal channels, to Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky, is shown all this measuredly, how they are registered, how they collect votes.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2018 08: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            Moreover, a very good attitude towards Sobchak on federal channels

            is it on what? !!!
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 2 February 2018 08: 54 New
              12
              If you do not watch TV, this is certainly commendable. But the program "News" and "News" on "Russia 1" and "Channel One" can sometimes be seen on Sundays.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2018 11: 51 New
                +5
                what?
                they like a horse there?
                if you don’t know it you must show
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 04 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  if you do not know her obliged show on the feeds

                  And what? Grudinin show? Tell WHERE? I’ll at least take a look. And then only "NeuromirTV" Internet more or less covers, yes "Tsargrad" from time to time. But also - MANDATORY "! broadcast to provide! But only Fat shines - and, does not get tired of pouring mud on Grudinin, the old senile. Well, who exactly fulfills the “Kremlin order” is the leader of the LDPR!
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 February 2018 08: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avia1991
                    And what? Grudinin show? Tell WHERE?

                    in Russia 1
                  2. sgazeev
                    sgazeev 11 February 2018 20: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: avia1991
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    if you do not know her obliged show on the feeds

                    And what? Grudinin show? Tell WHERE? I’ll at least take a look. And then only "NeuromirTV" Internet more or less covers, yes "Tsargrad" from time to time. But also - MANDATORY "! broadcast to provide! But only Fat shines - and, does not get tired of pouring mud on Grudinin, the old senile. Well, who exactly fulfills the “Kremlin order” is the leader of the LDPR!

                    Zu does not allow him to glow, jinxes. lol
              2. Petr1968
                Petr1968 2 February 2018 14: 32 New
                +9
                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                If you do not watch TV, this is certainly commendable. But the program "News" and "News" on "Russia 1" and "Channel One" sometimes on Sundays can be seen

                What for? To get an objective picture? - No, because there is a one-sided Kremlin position. To see Putin’s 100500 times, for 18 years I’ve been sick of it ... Listen to what the hell is THERE .. so I go there and I don’t need to explain to someone ... Charged with negative .. so in life is enough .. In general, ANYTHING reason I do not find. On Sunday, watching TNT from Once Upon a Time in Russia is funny and positive.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2018 15: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Petr1968
                  What for?

                  according to law
                  1. Petr1968
                    Petr1968 2 February 2018 16: 55 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    according to law

                    Wartime?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2018 20: 46 New
                      +4
                      Think a smart thing they said?
                      you are deeply mistaken
                      Federal Law of January 10.01.2003, 19 N 05.12.2017-ФЗ (as amended on December XNUMX, XNUMX) "On the Election of the President of the Russian Federation"
                      Article 8. The right to campaign
                      paragraph 4.
                      Registered candidates are guaranteed equal conditions of access to the media for campaigning.
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 06 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Think a smart thing they said?

                        Vladimir, you read his comments carefully - he’s talking about something else. hi
                  2. AnpeL
                    AnpeL 2 February 2018 19: 44 New
                    +2
                    The meaning of the article: Grudinin - Putin's agent
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 2 February 2018 21: 03 New
                      +5
                      Quote: AnpeL
                      The meaning of the article: Grudinin - Putin's agent
                      ---- The meaning of the article --- The Communist Party with this shot - (Grudinin) has lost the last trust in the eyes of people. Zyuganov generally thinks what he is doing or not !? I am ashamed of the title of Communist. For thousands of honest and decent people who wear and continue to wear this title. A shame
                      1. Snakebyte
                        Snakebyte 2 February 2018 22: 26 New
                        +5
                        Sorry, but the Communist Party since its inception was not a communist party. The same bourgeois party as EdRO, LDPR and others.
                2. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 2 February 2018 15: 36 New
                  +9
                  Petr1968 Today, 14:32 PM ↑ New
                  Watching TNT on Sunday
                  Ndaaaa ... my friend, yes this is a diagnosis fool Unfortunately medicine is powerless here! request laughing
                  1. Petr1968
                    Petr1968 2 February 2018 16: 55 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    Ndaaaa ... my friend, yes this is a diagnosis of fool, unfortunately medicine is powerless here! request

                    I recognize the troll factory) Hello, green))) How is it now that cotton wool for trolling is normally carried out?))
          2. dSK
            dSK 2 February 2018 08: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            collect votes

            Election Results 2012: Place / Candidate / Votes /%
            1. Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich 45 602 075 63,60
            2. Zyuganov Gennady Andreevich 12 318 353 17,18
            3. Prokhorov Mikhail Dmitrievich 5 722 508 7,98
            4. Zhirinovsky Vladimir Volfovich 4 458 103 6,22
            5. Mironov Sergey Mikhailovich 2 763 935 3,85
            The number of invalid ballots 836 691 1,17

            Vladimir Volfovich in the last Duma elections he outstripped Sergei Mikhailovich Mironov, caught up with the Communist Party and set his fighters to become second party of Russia and maybe he will achieve this. Implementation "communism" in its pure form is unreal, all attempts failed. Mironov and Zyuganov did not run this time. Vladimir Volfovich stands for candidacy sixth time to the presidency, he has vast experience and he may well get around the newcomer Grudinin. For the Communist Party, this will be a serious loss of authority. The remaining candidates collect together no more than 10%.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 2 February 2018 09: 14 New
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              Quote: dsk
              Vladimir Volfovich is running for the sixth time as president, he has vast experience and can easily get around newcomer Grudinin.

              Yes, he is already 71 years old! Those who, in their right mind, will vote for him, especially since they did not lead anything except their party. And what has the LDPR country done? Some opposition was making itself up, and when it was necessary, it always voted at the right moment, as the authorities liked it ?!
              1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 2 February 2018 09: 19 New
                18
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Those who, in their right mind, will vote for him, especially since they did not lead anything except their party.

                The way it is. Yesterday, by the way, Zhirinovsky visited the monument to Mikhail Krug. The circle is the ceiling of the dugout. The very limit of creativity and skill. Honestly, for me it's a low ceiling. Yes, and how many hundreds of young lives were ruined by this thieves romance. Vladimir Zhirinovsky: “If he had not died so tragically, then perhaps he would have been a deputy of the State Duma or would have been a confidant now, it would have been from a pure heart, from a pure soul, because we felt mutual sympathy. Therefore, we are glad that the people of Tver honor their most famous countryman. ”
                http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1977344/
                1. Tatanka Yotanka
                  Tatanka Yotanka 2 February 2018 10: 49 New
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                  Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                  perhaps he would be a deputy of the State Duma or he would now be a proxy

                  there’s a problem with proxies, here’s the GDP there is such a bagir who expresses a wild regret that not all the blockers died in their hometown of the GDP, the Yandex cache still stores his post in LiveJournal
                  1. Cossack 471
                    Cossack 471 2 February 2018 19: 46 New
                    +4
                    What kind of contraceptive is this?
                    1. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 2 February 2018 20: 10 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Cossack 471
                      What kind of contraceptive is this?

                      and this is Putin's confidant, read
                      http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/2912452.html
              2. allaykbar
                allaykbar 2 February 2018 09: 21 New
                +3
                if you choose (age) by this criterion - then the youngest ones - bulk and dog.
              3. svaroghich152
                svaroghich152 2 February 2018 10: 56 New
                +2
                He and the Liberal Democratic Party and so does not blow on Duma salaries. Claim only yourself at times, so as not to fly out of the cage.
                And if you recall when he was a translator in the first person. For the old interpreter. Question. Who will keep the first person translators, a person with leadership qualities, capable of action? They need diligence, good knowledge of languages, attentiveness and ability to keep the language behind the teeth.
                And all in general.
              4. Stanislas
                Stanislas 2 February 2018 16: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Yes, he is already 71 years old!
                Zeman, Berlusconi will be older, nothing.
            2. SERGUS
              SERGUS 2 February 2018 10: 17 New
              10
              Quote: dsk
              In the last Duma elections, Vladimir Volfovich outperformed Sergei Mikhailovich Mironov, caught up with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and set his fighters the task of becoming the second party in Russia, and perhaps he will achieve this.

              How did Zhirinovsky catch up with the Communist Party if he even lost to the newcomer to the oligarch Prokhorov? Therefore, the newcomer Grudinin, for whom I also think he will lose the support of the Communist Party, will lose.
              1. dSK
                dSK 2 February 2018 11: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: SERGUS
                How did Zhirinovsky catch up with the Communist Party

                Quote: dsk
                in the last Duma elections bypassed Sergei Mikhailovich Mironov, caught up with the Communist Party
                in the last Duma elections 2016 year.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 2 February 2018 11: 11 New
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                  Quote: dsk
                  Zhirinovsky

                  Do you think that this politfluger and valve for venting steam, at 71, is needed as President?
                  Yeah .. at one time they laughed at Brezhnev, but after that, even though the country was, they corrected if he said something wrong .. and for that what?
                  A quasiparty, with an indistinct set of slogans like a bottle for every peasant, and a peasant for every woman?
                  There is no Zhirinovsky, there is no this quasiparty, and indeed, is there a need for a quasiparty in political space that offers nothing positive to the country ideologically and morally?
                  1. Antianglosax
                    Antianglosax 2 February 2018 15: 41 New
                    +7
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Do you think that this politfluger and valve for venting steam, at 71, is needed as President?

                    In Russia, fools are in stock for a hundred years, but even by ratings it’s clear that the Kremlin’s clown Zhirik is kept only as a manual, convenient “opposition”, in order to grind the right “snowstorm”, amuse and entertain the suckers.
            3. ivanec
              ivanec 2 February 2018 18: 21 New
              0
              How naive you are, read who and when brought Zhirinovsky to power, and most importantly why ...
            4. avia1991
              avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 10 New
              +3
              Quote: dsk
              he has vast experience and he may well get around the newcomer Grudinin

              Tortured. To do this, he would have to participate in the television show less - for more and more often lately he has appeared there as a natural senile, carrying nonsense.
              Do you think people are idiots?
          3. antivirus
            antivirus 2 February 2018 10: 05 New
            +5
            Everything changed dramatically with the decision of Vladimir Putin to be elected for a second term. Now the intro has changed dramatically. The elections were to be held as spectacularly as possible and Vladimir Vladimirovich should not have been defeated by everyone who was fed up with Vladimir Volfovich,
            EVERYTHING IS KNOWN IN ADVANCE. And there will be no traps.
            I REMEMBERED RODENTS ABOUT THE PERSONAL ROLE OF GDP IN DOPING ONLY AFTER THE ADVANCED GDP. AND METEORITES WILL BE FALLED CORRECTLY and no other.
            World problems are solved by world leaders.
            Grudinin will be a ministry of agriculture - already good.
            The center of the Russian Federation will be revived,
            but in the interests of the owners of Russia!
          4. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 2 February 2018 11: 32 New
            +6
            I am for Grudinin instead of Medvedev, but not Putin.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 12 New
              +4
              Quote: ramzes1776
              I am for Grudinin instead of Medvedev, but not Putin.

              What's the point? In this case, Grudinin will be separately - and the Putin team in the government - separately .. And WHAT? Is something going to change? wassat
      2. AA17
        AA17 2 February 2018 11: 08 New
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        Dear ul_vitalii. "... I jumped like the devil out of the snuffbox ..", if you mean P.N. Grudinin, you are greatly mistaken. In order to nominate him, a lot of work was done to unite all nationally and socially oriented forces. This is what Yu. Yu. Boldyrev says about this, which is one of the main persons in uniting all socially oriented forces.
        "... we managed to coordinate with the Communist Party not only a program in terms of economic and social (see" To unity in action "- was agreed in the spring as part of public negotiations at one of the sections of the Moscow Economic Forum), but also in terms of a more complex one - on the state and constitutional structure On October 23, in the joint working group of the Communist Party - PDS NPSR (Permanent Meeting of National Patriotic Forces of Russia) we were able to agree and take as a basis (further improvements are planned after the nomination of a single presidential candidate - taking into account priorities and accents already specific candidate) all the main positions in this part ... "
        "... And now the Plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, and on December 23, 2017, the XVII Congress of the Communist Party nominated not a member of the Communist Party, but close to the Communists one of the five previously previously supported by the Congress of National Patriotic Forces of Russia Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin. A candidate from a wide bloc. Officially, the nomination passed from the Communist Party - it’s legal. But in fact? We have made great efforts to bring the positions closer and leave all the contradictions behind. And here is a momentous moment: I had a chance at the XVII Congress of the Communist Party, and applause sounded when I called the surname of the national resistance symbol patriots to the current regime of Colonel V.V. Kvachkov (and then K.V. Barabash, V.N. Parfenov, A.A. Sokolov - unfortunately, I didn’t name Yu.A. Yekishev, but I am correcting this error). Attention: applause the names of prisoners from among national patriots were sounded at the congress not of national patriots (there, of course), but of the Communists, which means that there are no insurmountable not only substantial, but also moral and ethical differences! to pose another risky question at the CPRF Congress: why isn’t the chairman of the CPRF G. A. Zyuganov or someone else from the party leadership put forward, but in general non-partisan - in which case is it justified? Yes, only in one single case: if the Communist Party does not go to the polls alone, but as part of a wider association, and for the sake of this association puts forward not a narrowly party, but rallying the broadest inter-party masses, a unifying figure. It is possible to describe what happened on the network in the first days after the nomination of a single candidate - euphoria. An explosion of hope and enthusiasm. And if before we observed in the comments on the network, first of all, the flow of slander and insults inspired by the authorities to the Communist Party and its leader, designed to take “weakly”, to demonstrate that the people hate the Communist Party and its leader almost more than the current power, and therefore the Communist Party must snuggle up to power, surrender to it and follow its lead according to the "standard" scenario, now it’s just a storm of enthusiasm and sincere gratitude of people to G. A. Zyuganov. Wordings like “I never trusted the Communists, but now I’ll definitely go and vote, and G. A. Zyuganov - thank you so much for being able to rise above party interests” or “Zyuganov proved that he thinks not about himself, but about the country”, - became typical ... "
        P.S. This is how the long nomination process of P. N. Grudinin went. The author would have better get acquainted with the current materials and not invent fantastic versions that PN Grudinin is a Kremlin project.
        1. plotnikov561956
          plotnikov561956 2 February 2018 11: 27 New
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          The author knows everything perfectly about PN Grudinin ... do not be naive ... the article is in order.
        2. Azazel
          Azazel 2 February 2018 11: 42 New
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          P.S. This is how the long nomination process of P. N. Grudinin went. The author would have better get acquainted with the current materials and not invent fantastic versions that PN Grudinin is a Kremlin project.

          and what would you like if the author is from Ukraine ...
        3. Esoteric
          Esoteric 2 February 2018 11: 56 New
          18
          Why did the author lie? What are two options? Possible options: the first option - Putin nominates a candidate for the election, the second - Putin nominated by EdRo. With his self-nomination everything fell into place.

          Quote: AA17
          “Zyuganov proved by deed that he thinks not about himself, but about the country,” they became typical ... "

          You did not mark one main feature. When Zyuganov spoke of a single candidate from leftist forces, he emphasized:

          With the advent of a real opponent - a worthy rival to Putin in the election, the entire administrative resource was included in the election race. The most “dirty” methods were used, starting from blatant lies and slander, ending with a discussion of Pavel Nikolaevich's external data. Why is less attention paid to empty words and unfulfilled promises of GDP than to the new candidate’s program presented, its essence and steps to put an end to state oligarchism? Should pensions be raised a month earlier as genuine concern? Or May equating the minimum wage to the cost of living with oil prices of $ 68-69 per barrel and budgeted for 2018 - $ 43,8 per barrel? An increase in salaries is already being prepared for officials and deputies, and it will correspond to the effectiveness of their work ...
          1. AA17
            AA17 2 February 2018 12: 55 New
            10
            Dear, Esoteric. I agree with you. On PN Grudinin streams of lies pour out. But on the other hand, I note for myself that Vladimir Putin began talking about problems that I had not touched on before. In Kazan, on the construction of a civilian aircraft based on the TU-160, yesterday at a meeting of the Presidium of the State Council, he told the industry that he was not happy with the industry growth of 1%. I think that these topics, Vladimir Putin began to raise in the wake of competition with PN Grudinin. The voice of the people comes to Power.
            1. Bosch
              Bosch 2 February 2018 14: 23 New
              13
              The voice of the people comes to power - a new joke. After 18.03.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX you will see what and where it will go.
            2. Jack
              Jack 2 February 2018 14: 58 New
              11
              He has such a job - he promises to promise ... Well, along the way, breed oligarchs ... With everything else - a complete seam!
            3. dvvv
              dvvv 2 February 2018 15: 15 New
              12
              talking doesn't mean getting married! He and not only he always says before they get out ... but ... when you look what they did ... zilch ... If such thoughts he had just now arisen, then why is such a wise guy needed? He was 18 years old and he pissed them off! All efforts have been devoted to the construction of expensive pipelines and tankers to sell mineral resources and to further destroy the economy! to drive gas and oil, as well as wheat and soy to the west, many people do not need! Where do people go while they all sell and take out money?
            4. avia1991
              avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 20 New
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              Quote: AA17
              In Kazan on the construction of a civilian aircraft based on TU-160

              ..that is complete nonsense, from the technical point of view - and from the economic one too.
              The fact that Putin rushed to deliver promises long awaited by the people once again suggests that The Grudinin Kremlin fears and does everything to ensure that the situation with elections in the USA does not repeat itself - when Killary, who already considered herself the president, flew like plywood over Paris.
              As for Putin’s promises, he promised so much in 18 years that if everything had been fulfilled, we would have used stoves to heat stoves in baths in dollars laughing
      3. Lycan
        Lycan 6 February 2018 13: 12 New
        0
        Almost similar to Macron in France. However, with a different predicted result.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2018 09: 08 New
      +5
      Why not admit that it is beneficial for Putin to enter the second round. Firstly: in addition to him and Grudinin, in this case, the remaining candidates are literally zeroed. With the president’s administrative handicap, he runs virtually no risk. Secondly: after the first round, the wishes of the voters on the path to reforming the state will become more pronounced, which will undoubtedly be taken into account by Putin. And thirdly: in the eyes of the "world community" democracy in Russia will look much more solid.
      1. avt
        avt 2 February 2018 09: 56 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Why not admit that it is beneficial for Putin to enter the second round.

        bully Well, why bother stupid as an author about
        Only a single candidate from dissatisfied leftists, radicals and liberals can make real competition ... no, not to Putin, but to the one who comes after him (and sooner or later this will happen). This is the only way Washington can achieve its goals in Russia.
        bully Well, you can really move from such constant thoughts. The sinful Az has already written more than once - this extras breastbone is only needed for one thing - YAVKA. Well, finally understand - Putin in the election is fighting only with the percentage of turnout! The appearance of all these .... well, let’s say, generally speaking, freaks are the clearest example of this. Sobchachka did openly declare that she was a candidate against everyone. Well, who is really against everyone in view of the absence of such a line now, they simply don’t go to the polls? (An example of this is a breakthrough in the mundeps of Moscow of these very swamp freaks with almost no turnout) And now - Putin’s fucking one’s in life will beat anyone, so why they say go? And he needs to take his 80-90% with a turnout of at least 60%. Then no one will blather about the ,, not legitimate elected president of the minority "And to invent stern designs about the receiver .... bully The receivers are chosen wrongly and not there.
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 05 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Why not admit that it is beneficial for Putin to enter the second round.

        And why not allow the country to benefit from the development of its heavy machine-building industry, which does not depend on the dollar, the National Bank, to nullify poverty and increase the birth rate? Why should we be interested in Putin's interests? Does he live with us in the same house? Goes to the same shops with us? Goes to work in the same road conditions with us? Or did his entourage suddenly realize that “people should be softer, and they should look broader at questions”?
      3. Bosch
        Bosch 2 February 2018 14: 24 New
        12
        For 18 years, he takes into account the wishes of the voters, individual.
    3. Vend
      Vend 2 February 2018 09: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: VERESK
      Elections coming soon! Infiltrate all sites with breasts! Meaning?

      I think everything is simple, Grudinin oligarch + Communist Party = reconciliation of capitalist and communist ideology.
      1. Dart
        Dart 2 February 2018 11: 05 New
        0
        It was never twice two four. This is politics.
      2. badens1111
        badens1111 2 February 2018 11: 13 New
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        Quote: Wend
        Grudinin oligarch

        Hmm .. do you even know the meaning of the word "oligarch"?
        You give birth to myths, then repeat, then believe in them - in the end, then vote in the queues, oh, how bad we are, the housing and communal services have risen, the gasoline has jumped in price, REALLY not seeing who our OLIGARCHES are.
        1. Vend
          Vend 2 February 2018 14: 02 New
          0
          Quote: badens1111
          Quote: Wend
          Grudinin oligarch

          Hmm .. do you even know the meaning of the word "oligarch"?
          You give birth to myths, then repeat, then believe in them - in the end, then vote in the queues, oh, how bad we are, the housing and communal services have risen, the gasoline has jumped in price, REALLY not seeing who our OLIGARCHES are.

          I am aware of the notation of this term translated from Greek. You can take a look at the dictionary. And as you see, you understand it purely in a modern interpretation.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 February 2018 14: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: Wend
            I know

            What?
            Quote: Wend
            And as you can see, you understand it purely in a modern interpretation

            You sir, your indistinct interpretations, for the generally accepted, do not give out.
            1. Vend
              Vend 2 February 2018 14: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: badens1111
              Quote: Wend
              I know

              What?
              Quote: Wend
              And as you can see, you understand it purely in a modern interpretation

              You sir, your indistinct interpretations, for the generally accepted, do not give out.

              So you read the post and understand. And indistinct interpretations, my dear, are you doing it. And shift from sore to healthy.
      3. dSK
        dSK 2 February 2018 11: 15 New
        +2
        Hello Anatoly!
        Quote: Wend
        reconciliation capitalist and communist ideology.
        Evolution: Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev- Grudinin will lose the voices of the "old" ideological communists. Will he pick up new ones?
        1. Vend
          Vend 2 February 2018 12: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: dsk
          Hello Anatoly!
          Quote: Wend
          reconciliation capitalist and communist ideology.
          Evolution: Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev- Grudinin will lose the voices of the "old" ideological communists. Will he pick up new ones?

          Greetings. Probably not pick up, but the attempt is not torture.
          Quote: dsk
          Evolution: Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev
          This is not evolution, but degradation.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 2 February 2018 13: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: dsk
            Evolution: Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev
            This is not evolution, but degradation.

            I agree. First, the party was headed by “leaders,” then “apparatchiks” seized power, and as the apotheosis of collapse, “rapporteurs” came to power.
      4. dvvv
        dvvv 2 February 2018 16: 25 New
        +2
        what illiteracy! Find out at least somewhere who the oligarchs are and then write here!
        1. Vend
          Vend 2 February 2018 17: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: dvvv
          I am aware of the notation of this term translated from Greek. You can take a look at the dictionary.

          Illiteracy speak laughing
          The meaning of the word Oligarch according to Ozhegov:
          Oligarch - Imperialist, Representative of Monopoly Capital
          The meaning of the word Oligarch in the dictionary of Ushakov:
          OLIGARCH, oligarch, m. (Book). 1. Member of the oligarchic government (histor., Polit.). 2. trans. A person belonging to a handful of an exploitative minority, exercising its rule through violence, terror and bribery (public rhetorician)
          OLIGARCHY (from gr. “Oligos” - rich, redundant and “Archean” - beginning, power; literally - “power of the rich”) - a way of organizing power, characterized by close interaction and interpenetration of state bodies and relatively small ... It is precisely the contradictions between different groups of oligarchs often explain the causes of the First World War. Large financial and industrial groups in Germany actively supported Hitler. - Big current political encyclopedia.

          The modern slang of Russian politicians and journalists
          OLIGARCHES - owners of large capital with great personal influence on the political process. (from the Greek. "oligarchia" - the power of a few). In modern Russia, oligarchs are a group of large businessmen, as a rule ...
          Illiteracy is present, but obviously not with me.
          1. dvvv
            dvvv 2 February 2018 20: 03 New
            +3
            Now we need to take the second step! Try to apply this definition to Grudinin! Just not cheating and juggling the facts like some media do, but using the Forbes list for Russia! I want to immediately warn you that you won’t drink so much and fortunes of several tens of millions ... rubles do not appear on this list! Do not promote slander by demonstrating your ignorance
          2. Svetlana
            Svetlana 2 February 2018 22: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: Wend
            Oligarch - Imperialist, Representative of Monopoly Capital

            Quote: Wend
            OLIGARCH, oligarch, m. (Book). 1. Member of the oligarchic government (histor., Polit.). 2. trans. A person belonging to a handful of an exploitative minority, exercising its rule through violence, terror and bribery (public rhetorician)
            OLIGARCHY (from gr. “Oligos” - rich, redundant and “Archean” - beginning, power; literally - “power of the rich”) - a way of organizing power, characterized by close interaction and interpenetration of state bodies and a relatively small ...

            Very accurately described our government with its Guarantor.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Wend
            In modern Russia, oligarchs are a group of large businessmen, as a rule ...

            Oh well?! Why are you silent? How does this definition apply to Grudinin? What are we relying on, Mr. Wend, besides fake stuffing about crazy accounts in foreign countries, to which a completely clear and intelligible answer was issued?
      5. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 2 February 2018 16: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Grudinin oligarch + Communist Party = reconciliation of capitalist and communist ideology.

        Well, given that the Communist Party now does not even remotely resemble the CPSU, you get a wild ersatz with a slight left bias. A huge greasy stain on the banners of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will remain for a long time that trickster who was flunked in Kiev. And this is just one example, and if you make a joke, there are so many similar moments that no washing can save you - only for good. Not without reason did the Communist Party have an alternative - “Russian Communists”. Well, it is unlikely that there will be a “reconciliation of ideologies” in the form of a nomination from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation by the chairman of the state farm — rather a forced temporary union. Something like this... request
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Paranoid50
          It’s not for nothing that the Communist Party has an alternative - “Russian Communists”

          This alternative was created by the Kremlin political technologists, and its only goal is to confuse the voter and delay the votes from the Communist Party! No wonder this sharashka is activated only before the elections - the rest of the time you can’t see or hear.
      6. tezey
        tezey 2 February 2018 18: 31 New
        0
        Not this way. Right-Grudinin oligarch + Communist Party = reconciliation with capitalist ideology. Communist ideology can never be reconciled with bourgeois ideology.
    4. Petr1968
      Petr1968 2 February 2018 14: 20 New
      0
      Quote: VERESK
      Elections coming soon! Infiltrate all sites with breasts! Meaning?

      Who pays, he orders the article.
    5. New
      New 3 February 2018 16: 13 New
      +2
      1. Yuri Podolyaka - lies when he claims that all the media are promoting Grudinin. Grudinin was shown only at the time of Zyuganov’s refusal to run for office. And then the order came from the Kremlin not to let Grudinin go to the central media, violating the constitution and the right of the people to access truthful information. There is only one reason: the Kremlin is afraid of Grudinin as a real candidate for the post of president of the Russian Federation. Central media poured dirt and slander on Grudinin.
      2. This is not the Communist Party falls under the authority as the author of the article lies, but corrupt hacks, for their silver coins they are selling their homeland. Moreover, it is not a fact that the author of the article considers Russia his homeland.
      3. According to the logic of the author of the article, the central mass media controlled by the Kremlin scolding Grudinin, thereby rendering Grudinin a favor. Thus, following the logic of the author, discrediting Grudinin, the author of the article himself is a Kremlin propagandist writing for silver coins. The price of his writing is a penny.
      4. So, the pro-Kremlin scribbler, without citing any evidence, without any objective reason claims that Grudinin is Putin’s project. Bullshit, Podolyaka has nothing but lies and slander. Let's think: Whose project is Putin? In 2000, who nominated him? Forever drunk Yeltsin? It’s ridiculous. Berezovsky? No. Berezovsky put forward Stepashin. Then who promoted the unknown Putin and for what merits and to which country? With Grudinin, everything is clear and understandable: for 20 years he developed a prosperous state farm, worked for the benefit of the people. Grudinin aptly said: “The Kremlin and the State Department say the same thing.” Information for consideration. And about Putin, Grudinin spoke out interestingly: "The fate of Putin will be determined by the people."
      5. "Everything under the Kremlin is in control" - in the dreams of pro-Kremlin scribblers. The article is a dirty pre-election Kremlin campaign designed to discredit Grudinin. In vain try venal scribblers, the Russian people for Grudinin. Grudinin will be able to bring Russia freedom and independence, like Minin and Pozharsky, Grudinin will cleanse the Kremlin from an incomprehensible power.
    6. Shurale
      Shurale 4 February 2018 09: 22 New
      +2
      During his long reign, Putin proved to us only one thing: he either cannot or does not want to change anything. And if so let him get off the barrel. Grudinin showed that he wants to do something, something we want, let him try. A few years ago, my friend talked with Grudinin for a very long time, at work, and he left a very good impression on him. I trust a friend, this one will not lie, there is no reason. I don’t know if the Kremlin’s sternum is promoting, or maybe it’s an anti-PR - to spit, Putin is definitely no further than the road.
    7. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 4 February 2018 21: 51 New
      +1
      The meaning of the change of liberalists and the government of A. Medvedev. B, Putin will not replace them, and in a decade they have already turned the state into a personal feeding trough, and the people into beggars ...
  2. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 2 February 2018 06: 31 New
    43
    These mnogohodovochkami already 18 years old ... only the poor people and the country in ruin ... !!!
    1. Coma_64
      Coma_64 2 February 2018 09: 49 New
      12
      From hunger look do not die, the victim.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 2 February 2018 11: 14 New
        13
        Drive outside the MKAD more often.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 2 February 2018 14: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: badens1111
          Drive outside the MKAD more often.

          Such poverty, that for Putin 86% .. direct people of the Masahists.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 38 New
            +7
            Quote: Petr1968
            what kind of Putin 86%

            Did VTsIOM tell you this? Listen further - get to the bottom faster! wassat
            Py ssy: and about the salary in Russia in 40 thousand Do you also believe? what
        2. Shurale
          Shurale 4 February 2018 09: 24 New
          0
          To Moscow chtoli? What didn’t we see there? Zamkadysh)))))))))))))))
  3. Mussasi
    Mussasi 2 February 2018 06: 33 New
    +3
    An interesting opinion and most importantly logical, therefore, has the right to life.
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 2 February 2018 06: 42 New
      15
      Therefore, it is logical ... that thieves will not give up power so simply ... one more move for 6 years ... and the purse is much fuller
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 February 2018 06: 50 New
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        The country is in ruin ... Not so much. Insolence is the country. There are too many Gelendvagens and their ilk who need to be beaten. Strong. And preferably in the face of the face. Legs. Maybe then you will be afraid of the trash, regardless of your bablos.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 07: 11 New
          11
          Quote: VERESK
          Insolence country

          Well, do not speak for the Country. But some people, insolence.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 February 2018 07: 50 New
            +1
            well, do not speak for the country How to say. And if on the topic, everything is not good, Yurich. Although, if it rummages, somewhere is normal. But alas. You understand. hi
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 08: 13 New
              0
              Quote: VERESK
              well, do not speak for the country How to say. And if on the topic, everything is not good, Yurich. Although, if it rummages, somewhere is normal. But alas. You understand. hi

              understand.
          2. insular
            insular 2 February 2018 08: 07 New
            +6
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            well, do not speak for the country

            Well, for the incomplete hundred years, we have been building the third state, and the last of them has been twenty-five years old (i.e., a quarter of that very hundred years) ... So where or what did this country rest against? And at the same time as the previous two times - bureaucracy, bribes and “God save the king” (Secretary General, President ... underline necessary), with his (his) nobility untouchables and impoverished population.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 08: 15 New
              +6
              Quote: insular
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              well, do not speak for the country

              Well, for the incomplete hundred years, we have been building the third state, and the last of them has been twenty-five years old (i.e., a quarter of that very hundred years) ... So where or what did this country rest against? And at the same time as the previous two times - bureaucracy, bribes and “God save the king” (Secretary General, President ... underline necessary), with his (his) nobility untouchables and impoverished population.

              Yes, I agree, only you have a mistake in determining: not a country, but Statehood. The country she was, is and will always be. the people of bad Power get ...
              1. insular
                insular 2 February 2018 08: 18 New
                +2
                Ah, well, maybe.
                Most likely you and I have the same idea of ​​the Fatherland, only you call it Country. But overall, yes. I agree that the state and the system do not need to interfere with the concept of the Fatherland (let the Country, if so closer).
            2. Cossack 471
              Cossack 471 2 February 2018 20: 04 New
              +1
              State. which we are building. for some reason one always turns out to be equally disgusting about his people. We will feed everyone. we will help everyone. Forgive everyone. we will pay everyone. and take off our last shirt. Half of my uncles died on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War. probably for that. in order to defend the land for 1% of the population that we are currently eating. Millions have died. And what is the outcome? 50 years ago I went to school through mud. there was no asphalt and now it is gone. there was Soviet power and the "fat years" under Putin. but at least $ 1000 will be oil. there is no money for us. find where to dive. to do nothing inside the country. As the song of our authorities is sick of money MONEY IS NOT !!!
        2. johnik
          johnik 2 February 2018 10: 22 New
          0
          These will have power and they will be beaten harder and not with their feet!
        3. free
          free 2 February 2018 11: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: VERESK
          The country is in ruin ... Not so much. Insolence is the country. There are too many Gelendvagens and their ilk who need to be beaten. Strong. And preferably in the face of the face. Legs. Maybe then you will be afraid of the trash, regardless of your bablos.

          I agree, it is necessary to beat a trash, but who is this trash on Gelen and how was she able to rise above the law?
          1. Bosch
            Bosch 2 February 2018 14: 30 New
            +6
            Law at the service of trash. Example: Khakhaleva, Zakharchenko, Ulyukaev and many others.
        4. avia1991
          avia1991 2 February 2018 23: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: VERESK
          which you have to beat. Strongly. And preferably in the face. Legs.

          ..and then the state, in the person of the “fairest court in the world”, will stupidly put you in prison — moreover, it’s by no means a “conditioner” like Serdyukov, but it’s real! For those who are on the "Heliks" cannot offend ..
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 2 February 2018 07: 01 New
    +9
    Everything is much simpler. What was needed was not a clown as an opposition candidate, but someone more powerful. Ksyushad and others are not suitable for this role for obvious reasons, especially Oval. So a certain "from the people" appeared. And what is his name, whether Grudinin, Martin any Shakkum (who had even heard of him before the 1996 election?) - it does not matter.
    Well, I somehow do not believe in the fact that he will be the pinnacle of the "successor" operation. Although, if he moves Dimsik to the post of prime minister, then everything is possible ... Terran also went this way. But still, not on that scale tovarisch. "I do not believe" ©.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 07: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      Although, if he moves Dimsik as prime minister, then everything is possible ...

      at least...
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 2 February 2018 11: 23 New
        +3
        When Svanidze got into the tambourine, a thought flashed: “Has it really begun all over the country?” ... It has not yet begun, but the signal is quite concrete.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 2 February 2018 13: 40 New
          +5
          Quote: badens1111
          When Svanidze got into the tambourine, a thought flashed: “Has it really begun all over the country?” ... It has not yet begun, but the signal is quite concrete.

          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 February 2018 14: 12 New
            +2
            As far as I saw, there was a provocateur from GCD.
            What is the clown Fedorov and his NOD, is known.
            It is a pity that now on this occasion, everyone who does not really understand what is happening will draw wrong and absolutely inadequate conclusions.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 2 February 2018 14: 31 New
              +6
              Quote: badens1111
              As far as I saw, there was a provocateur from GCD.
              What is the clown Fedorov and his NOD, is known.

              Yes sir!
              It sometimes seems to me that half of the country has joined the GCD. Nobody wants to think with their own heads. Simple analysis to conduct laziness.
              Here is a simple example:
              Over the past week, Putin was mentioned on TV 5000 times, Zhirika 500, Grudinina 246, and at the same time, Grudini took first place on negative reviews on TV.
              The people forgot that unconditionally you can only trust God, and everything else needs to be checked, and even litter-tv is necessary.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      But still, not on that scale tovarisch. "I do not believe" ©.

      And who are you? Stanislavsky?
      Stanislavsky died in 1938. And not knowing this is simply indecent.

      Now in that deck where your "comrades" are ours, ours are not ... request
    3. AUL
      AUL 2 February 2018 19: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      Everything is much simpler. What was needed was not a clown as an opposition candidate, but someone more powerful. Ksyushad and others are not suitable for this role for obvious reasons, especially Oval. So a certain "from the people" appeared. And what is his name, whether Grudinin, Martin any Shakkum (who had even heard of him before the 1996 election?) - it does not matter.
      Here I agree with you. Most likely, Grudinin was conceived by the authorities as one of the extras for the election, like a dog and the like. But here a mistake happened - he got out of control, published his (inconsistent!) Program, began to criticize impartially and gain real weight from the electorate. And here the power began to fuss - and the candidate was not tame! Well, it started scumming and defamation. I see the situation like that. And as president, he will not be worse than Putin.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 February 2018 07: 08 New
    +3
    But Zyuganov, on the contrary, complains that Grudinin is being pinched, prevented from appearing in all his "glory", and he is being drained. So understand the political technologists. Elections are such a thing that overnight one of the candidates (with the exception of the first) can fly away to tartarara.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 February 2018 11: 17 New
      11
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The sternum is clamped, it is not allowed to appear in all its "glory"

      Isn’t that so?
      The team passed, they execute it on all channels, it’s obvious and it’s clear how they feed whom and in what perspective, the dog constantly appears on TV, Titov flickers, Zhirik doesn’t crawl out of the programs at all, but where is Grudinin’s show? it’s that nowhere except in Internet broadcasts ... not to mention provocations against him, in the same Novosibirsk with a circulation of the bulletin, but recently in Ufa .. where some kind of Nodovka decided to initiate a provocation.
  6. Vard
    Vard 2 February 2018 07: 10 New
    16
    They’re tired of Putin ... please tell me ... we’re not living well ... all yards are full of cars ... in Turkey we won’t push around ... in the last year the average size of clothes has increased by one ... It's like changing an old wife for young ... It is certainly more beautiful ... but the borscht will be gone ...
    1. insular
      insular 2 February 2018 07: 26 New
      35
      Quote: Vard
      all yards are clogged with cars

      They began to shake them in the 90s. As the Union collapsed, abundance abounded. Can you say that they began to live well in the 90s after the Union? And what? To Turkey, sometimes wound up to twenty times the women.
      You have a strange understanding about well-being. I would say perverted.
      True, the fact that public transport in average Russia is a purely nominal concept, you somehow seem to forget it.
      1. Vard
        Vard 2 February 2018 08: 23 New
        +8
        I live in Novokuybyshevsk ... we have an average time of three minutes waiting for the Gazelle ... The shaft of used cars didn’t reach us ... So there are separate copies ... And one thing ... the price of driving around the city on the Gazelle 23 rubles ... in a taxi 60 ... So the car is in the garage ... and my wife goes to work in a taxi ...
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 2 February 2018 08: 36 New
          21
          Quote: Vard
          I live in Novokuybyshevsk ... we have an average time of three minutes waiting for the Gazelle ..

          Well, yes, the Gazelle with the carrier Jamsut has become public transport - that's what they actually came to.
        2. insular
          insular 2 February 2018 08: 46 New
          16
          Quote: Vard
          we have an average time waiting for the Gazelle three minutes

          Those. Cancer standing in dirty and not comfortable Gazelles - is it public transport ?!
          Well, if so, and if it is an indicator, then yes. Wellbeing has come good We were all appreciated as it should be - even in order to get to the workplace you need to bow and bend three times, crawling into the MIRACLE of a domestic ..industry - Gazelle! The slave must know his place.
          1. marline
            marline 2 February 2018 11: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: insular
            Those. Cancer standing in dirty and not comfortable Gazelles - is it public transport ?!

            Exactly, it was precisely with the advent of passenger gazelles about public transport that they began to say: "they were packed like sprats in a bank."
            And "Operation" Y "" - this is actually a fantastic film, and we must come true ...
      2. raw174
        raw174 2 February 2018 08: 24 New
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        Quote: insular
        You have a strange understanding about well-being. I would say perverted.

        Well, comrade just exaggerating, I think ... I look at Putin’s time like this, comparing it with what was before him in the country:
        1. If our site is VO, I'll start with the defense. I think only the blind will not notice that the army has taken a qualitative step. Compare the actions of our armed forces in Chechnya and Syria with the Crimea, compare the equipment ...
        2. Citizen. What did PPPs and other cops do in the 90s? guarded the markets in their free time, they roofed the stalls, shmonali drunkards ... Who was taken there? All who are not hitting. Now it’s not easy to get into the police, the level of prof. training is growing, prestige is growing.
        3. I don’t know how it is in the city, but in the village there are three types of professions with a good income: a doctor, a teacher and a policeman; salaries are on average about 50, 35-40, 30-60 thousand rubles. accordingly, against 17-20 in the municipal administration.
        3. How many industries opened in the 90s? and how much under Putin? Yandex to help ...
        4. Patient - roads. Who travels a lot? I’m not very much, on odometers of two cars about 300 thousand km since 2010, I travel in the Chelyabinsk region (I was almost everywhere, Bashkiria, Orenburg region, Kazakhstan.) The roads are quite good, we have practically no federal highways on which you can’t drive at a speed of at least 130-150 km / h, in Kazakhstan (Kostanai, Zhitikarinskaya obl.) there are really no roads. In our Orenburg region worse ...
        5. Social: the wife gave birth in the summer. Let's go to the perinatal center. Impressions of his wife: "like in the movie about hospitals! They look after their relatives, the staff is polite, everything is equipped, convenient!" generally delighted, in August we are going to give birth again. Then matkapital arrived, threw it into a mortgage, it helped a lot! Maternity was charged to his wife, they give some kind of medicine for free to the child, although he does not get sick (I don’t know what exactly it is antipyretic and for colic, I didn’t take it), in general, you can give birth to children. The eldest to school in September)))
        It’s fashionable to talk about the poverty of the people, well, let's see who is in poverty? make a social cut, look around, in poverty those who do not lift anything heavier than a glass, who do not want to work! Now there are opportunities for self-study, but these beggars, they do not want to work. There are those who live poorly despite hard work, but by coincidence, something did not work out for them, but they are few.
        Regarding Grudinin: I don’t think that he is a bad person and, if it were possible to save himself as in a computer game, I would prefer him (like new blood), and since nothing can be returned, I’m for GDP, for which I respect the president, in which I believe good
        1. insular
          insular 2 February 2018 08: 38 New
          23
          Quote: raw174
          1. If our site is VO, I'll start with the defense

          There is some change in equipment, It is hard to deny. Judging by the picture of local events.
          Quote: raw174
          Compare the actions of our armed forces in Chechnya and Syria with the Crimea

          The first is the fight against a virtually equal rival, with the total betrayal of power structures. They would not have given criminal orders to retreat and surrender - it is not yet known how everything would have turned (moreover, starting with the 91st and literal delivery of arms and military equipment). The second two are Papuans without centralized leadership. What to compare with? Not with anything. Not comparable.
          Quote: raw174
          2. Citizen. What did PPPs and other cops do in the 90s?

          Where are the cops now? I see them only at the intersection during the arrival of the king. On other days, you can not meet a single person in a police uniform on the streets for a year.
          Quote: raw174
          3. How many industries opened in the 90s? and how much under Putin?

          10 years and 17 years are not the same thing - this is Time. Two - this is that in the 90s everything de fell off a lot of territories, followed by a technological shock. When Putin came, I don’t remember this (yes what there - he came when the main shocks had already settled). So the comparison is not very. But the fact remains. Import substitution fails. The allocation of resources and financing in the state is flawed and not effective.
          Quote: raw174
          4. Patient - roads.
          Do not even start. There were no roads either. And probably will not ...
          Quote: raw174
          5. Social: the wife gave birth in the summer.
          Social is sad. As sad as medicine in general. More or less adequate medical centers - one in the Federal District. In Polyclinics - unless time to lose and to sign sick leave.
          Socially accessible housing is not a myth for everyone. Guarantors from the state are not seen by equity holders and they do not see. Banks rob the population.
          1. raw174
            raw174 2 February 2018 10: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: insular
            The first is the fight against a virtually equal rival

            Quote: insular
            The second two are Papuans without centralized leadership.

            I don’t agree ... ISIS is a rather powerful formation ... it was, and we didn’t use the whole spectrum of forces and means, and in the 90s we wouldn’t have snooped into Syria. In Crimea, for a moment, there were regular troops of one of the strongest armies in Europe. During our service, we were scared by Ukrainian marines trained according to NATO standards. They just did not have time to do anything. Why? Because our Professionals worked there (with a capital letter)
            Quote: insular
            Where are the cops now?

            They work. When did the gopota in your city feel more unpunished? in 1997 or 2017? When was there more police lawlessness? I think then. Now even in the traffic police goraazdo politely became guys.
            Quote: insular
            So the comparison is not very.

            Well, yes, there were no such shocks, but nevertheless, development is underway, maybe not at the pace we would like ... We have an agricultural area (village), abandoned in the 90s are common, massive, and now even small swamps are drained , there is not enough land for farmers ...
            Quote: insular
            Import substitution fails.

            In the fall we count ...
            Quote: insular
            There were no roads either.

            In the summer, Chelyabins-Orsk traveled about 650 km one way, of bad sections where the speed is below 100 km \ h two or three, with a total length of about 10 km (offhand). I traveled last year Chelyabinsk - Kartaly - Beloretsk - Ufa about 1100 km one way, almost never met bad roads. There are bad roads, I do not argue, but the federal roads are quite good, problems are mainly in municipal territories (within the boundaries of settlements).
            Quote: insular
            More or less adequate medical centers - one in the Federal District.

            Well, we compare with the 90s ... I'm not saying that there are no problems, I am saying that the opportunity to get normal treatment has become greater. If necessary, they’ll take me to the center ...
            Quote: insular
            Guarantors from the state are not seen by equity holders and they do not see.

            Well, it seems like they are now actively discussing, there are initiatives, something will probably be born ...
            Quote: insular
            Socially accessible housing is not a myth for everyone.

            What do you understand as "social"?
            Quote: insular
            Banks rob the population.

            I know a lot in loans because took a consumer in 2013 at 25% (if memory serves), in 2016 a car loan at 9 with something%, and in 2017 a mortgage. I paid everything, except for the mortgage:
            he took 1,5 million at 15,5% (in February all banks gave a large%) An apartment in a two-apartment building in a two-story house with a bathhouse, a garage and outbuildings, an area of ​​120 sq.m., a plot of 900 sq.m. The payment was 20300 rubles, in September, the capital and payment became 14300 rubles., In December, the rates fell, the bank offered to refinance at 11,5%, they did it, now I pay 10900 rubles, the other day they asked me to go to the bank, they offered some kind of program, we reduced it to 9,6% in February will be invited for signing, I will pay about 10 thousand
            For me it’s such a completely civilized approach. Mortgage for 20 years, I figured that in 10 years my payment of 10 thousand will be real seeds ... You say that in Europe% is lower? Yes, but we are looking at changes in Russia, and they are positive.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 2 February 2018 10: 36 New
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          Quote: raw174
          3. I don’t know how it is in the city, but in the village there are three types of professions with a good income: a doctor, a teacher and a policeman; salaries average 50, 35-40, 30-60 thousand rubles.

          In which village does a doctor receive 50 thousand? The official salary of a doctor is 9308 p. with surcharges more comes out, but not at all 50. Maybe you mean the Chief Physician? Then everything is in order, it turns out, and they write themselves more than a hundred. We have such crazy inequality everywhere.
          How much a doctor receives in Russia is a shame for the country! Everywhere in the world, doctors are not treated like that. In countries where the economy is much worse than in Russia (do not bring Ukraine and the CIS), the salaries of doctors are much higher, because our people and our loved ones depend on these people. The level of salaries that is now present in medicine does not stimulate the arrival of sensible and energetic people.
          1. raw174
            raw174 2 February 2018 12: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            Maybe you mean the Chief Physician? Then everything is in order, it turns out, and they write themselves more than a hundred.

            I have a good friend in the accounting department of the district hospital, my friend has a doctor's wife (not a doctor, but a medical assistant), yes, the chief officer has about 130 salaries. The orderlies had about 12, from December 2017 18-20 thousand.
            Quote: Stas157
            The official salary of a doctor is 9308 p.

            Practically all state employees (non-military) have a salary of about 1 \ 4 of the salary, and doctors usually still have a one-hour processing. I personally have a salary of 6300, and s \ n 21 with a cop. Doctors 40-60 actually get, with the department closer to the upper bar, with ordinary, not loaded extra. functions to the bottom.
            1. Romey
              Romey 2 February 2018 16: 48 New
              +7
              I’ll insert my 5 cents for state employees. So, teachers who judging by the bravura reports are rowing mountains of gold in the region of 30 tyrov. Firstly, not all. Kaliningrad region, the village. If the standard 15-20 hours a week plus classroom management, then this is a salary somewhere around 20 tyrov. Plus minus. If, as usual with a shortage of teachers, then this is 25-30 hours a week, classroom management, ext. classes (we have surprisingly, absolutely free, at the district center the teachers are already privately asking for denyuzhku), then this is 29 tyrov with copecks (spouse). Many will say that this is simply a stunning result. They are wrong. The spouse’s working day is from 7.30 to 18. 00. Immediately after classes there are special stages, then filling out reporting documents (regular and electronic magazines, reports, statistics, class work documentation, curriculum corrections, e-mail correspondence, alteration of already prepared documents, if the comma is not there and if hordes of girls in the ministry don’t like anything (almost always dislike it), meetings and pedagogical councils. If someone thinks that the working day is over, they’ll make a mistake. After a quick dinner, the wife sits down at the notebook and prepares 6-7 hours a day. traveling day. So hours until 10 - 10.30 pm. If he doesn’t have time, he gets up at 5 am and completes it. There is no time for words at home. The sad result: the teachers didn’t get more, they just made them work more. Instead of 8 hours ( and teachers always had privileges in this regard), they began to work for 12-14 hours. That’s the whole point of the current vicious and crafty system of attitude to work. Is it necessary to count on the good attitude to the president, who built this system on the part of this category of citizens ? And here lies the answer to the questions of why the satellites fall and where Kolya comes from Urengoy. Now about the damned past. My mother, a teacher with 45 years of experience, before Putin-Tim reformed tightly the system calmly went about its direct work for 6 hours plus a couple of hours for methodical work, receiving in Soviet times, and even in the 90s, albeit with delays, in principle, an adequate salary had the opportunity to both relax and do household chores and own children. Many again will say that they say you are lazy and you need to work more, more and more, just like Putin and then everything will be ok, then I immediately want to ask the question: why was education with lazy teachers in the USSR an order of magnitude better than now?
              1. raw174
                raw174 5 February 2018 06: 19 New
                +1
                Good day hi
                Quote: romey
                So, teachers who judging by the bravura reports are rowing mountains of gold in the region of 30 tyrov.

                Well, not golden mountains, but nonetheless ... In our region (Chelyabinsk), the average salary, if I am not mistaken, is 24-25 tons. My friend, a physical teacher, who has been trying to kick out of school for about a year (for objective reasons) works 3–3 lessons 4 days a week, gets 15 thousand, who is normally loaded 30 always gets + 100% communal reimbursement (4-8 thousand in winter. ) By the way, how are you? Utility reimburse? And yes, teachers live so hard that they retire far after 70 years ... my daughter goes to the 1st grade in September, and the teacher is 74 years old !!! . my sister was forced to leave after the ped, because in schools we have no vacancies! we went to another school, a younger teacher ...
        3. Himdym
          Himdym 6 February 2018 08: 33 New
          0
          according to claim 1. Everything would be fine, but such things as annoying recent UVZ lawsuit with Alfa Group, which almost ended in the bankruptcy of the former, personnel shortages in the defense industry (judging by our city enterprises), and amid a decline in the quality of training of workers and engineers and the retirement age, are somehow annoying. the remaining specialists do not need to be upgraded.
          according to claim 2. Of course, patrolling is largely supplanted by video surveillance systems, and the staff of the teaching staff and the National Guard are most often seen at rallies and mass sporting events, this is true, but the effectiveness, and this is the reduction in the number of offenses, is not special from all these measures.
          according to claim 3. Only the implementation of such programs as the “Zemsky doctor” and “Zemsky teacher” can attract specialists in the hinterland, and even temporarily, while the equipment and accessibility of schools and hospitals does not improve, according to Permstat, the number of hospitals has halved over 15 years. Personally, I know cases where, for 20 thousand people, 2 ambulance cars are on the move, and a patient with a pre-stroke condition is offered to get to the hospital on their own. The experience of Lame Horse showed that even the regional healthcare was unprepared for major technological disasters, and this is in an industrial city: in the city there were not enough ambulance machines equipped with mechanical ventilation.
          According to claim 3 (take 2). I don’t know how many enterprises are registered, but in 2008 I sent my guest from Germany practically a hare, because KD-Avia decided to stop flights, and last year VIM-Avia repeated a similar somersault. In the Ivanovo region, after joining the WTO, the volume of tissue production decreased several times; moreover, since 2016 there has been a steady trend towards a decrease in the industrial production index http://ivanovo.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_ts/
          ivanovo/resources/5961570043b7d5a2946494d06954faf
          7 / prom_ind_1217.pdf
          according to claim 4. Take a trip to Udmurtia, Ulyanovsk region. Nobody thinks about the safety of our roads.
          according to claim 5. staff shortage in health care, insufficient equipment with diagnostic tools, experiments: the average time for an appointment with a therapist on the resource k-vrachu.ru is 2 weeks, for specialized specialists up to six months. the number of MRI devices per million people - one finger is enough. reduction of the time of admission to 20 minutes as another risk factor for medical errors. And perinatal centers are pure PR.
          All of the above speaks of the inefficiency of the current government, and whoever is elected president, he will have to solve these problems for various reasons, including political ones, I strongly doubt that even the GDP has a roadmap to overcome this primarily managerial crisis, to mention other candidates.
      3. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 2 February 2018 10: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: insular
        Can you say that they began to live well in the 90s after the Union? And what? To Turkey, sometimes wound up to twenty times the women.


        In the 90s in Turkey (and not only) they "wound up" for clothes (there to buy, sell here), and now they go on vacation to Turkey. There is a difference?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 21 New
          +9
          Quote: B.T.W.
          In the 90s in Turkey (and not only) they "wound up" for clothes (there to buy, sell here), and now they go on vacation to Turkey. There is a difference?

          The difference is that now they don’t go to Turkey for clothes, they are bought by large wholesale parties in China and sold in shopping centers. There was not enough money for a Turkish vacation ... I have never been ...
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 07: 33 New
      18
      You’ll lose weight soon and without a new wife. Borsch will not be affordable.
      1. insular
        insular 2 February 2018 07: 39 New
        12
        Here, the fellow countryman Far East also think I have seen enough of the abundance of cars in the 90s. Yes, so scary to remember laughing Especially the "green" Vladik wassat
        And Sunka (Sunfunhe), in front of her eyes, as if from a slum into a super megalopolis, began to turn into shuttle traders laughing

        PS Hello from Sakhalin hi
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 07: 48 New
          20
          Hello fellow countryman. hi
          It is of course. If measured by cars and trips to Turkey (we have to China) then everything is beautiful. As if. But we then know that this is a screen. Look at the root. (Kozma Prutkov)
          And in parrots I’m much longer.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 2 February 2018 07: 42 New
      29
      Quote: Vard
      They’re tired of Putin ... please tell me ... we’re not living well ... all the yards are full of cars ... in Turkey they won’t push through ours ....

      Nearby there is a poor country, 404, so there, too, yards are crammed with cars, and in Turkey, wherever you look, if not Russian, then crest. It turns out your neighbors live perfectly with us!
      All your arguments are simpletons! You would bring real numbers .... But they are not at all encouraging! The average salary is 500 dollars. Pension is even less! 30 million below the poverty line ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 07: 51 New
        10
        Quote: Stas157
        30 million below the poverty line ...

        The hungry woman spoke of twenty.
        It’s not in your eyes ... stasik? wink
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 2 February 2018 07: 57 New
          20
          Yes, and Rosstat and VTsIOM too. But Putin talked about 30. So who to believe?
          I do not want to argue, does the figure of 20 million radically change the picture?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 08: 00 New
            +7
            Quote: Stas157
            Is the figure of 20 million radically changing the picture?

            One and a half times. And by a percentage there (of the able-bodied population - more than 10).
            Quote: Stas157
            Yes, yes, and Rosstat and VTsIOM too

            Well, that's nice.
            Quote: Stas157
            But Putin talked about 30

            Um ... I don't remember that ...
            Quote: Stas157
            So who to believe?

            Those who are responsible for information specifically on this issue, IMHO.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 February 2018 08: 49 New
              20
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              One and a half times. And by some percentage there

              That is, you think that the figure of 20 million poor radically changes the picture, and makes us rich! Golovan, I know with you, you can endlessly respond to demagoguery. Dismiss
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Um ... I don't remember that ...

              So look, and I'll give you a vodka! It was on a straight line with Putin when, at the end of 2016, he traditionally answered questions.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 09: 52 New
                +8
                Quote: Stas157
                I know, with you, you can endlessly respond to demagogy. Dismiss

                To fire? You?
                Easily.
                To screw up with the figure one and a half times, and try to translate the arrows at the same time ... no, well ... really patsansky! laughing
                Quote: Stas157
                I'll give you a vodka

                Leave it to yourself, I do not drink.
                Quote: Stas157
                It was on a straight line with Putin when, at the end of 2016, he traditionally answered questions

                Thanks for the info, the plus has earned yes
              2. Svetlana
                Svetlana 2 February 2018 10: 55 New
                +9
                Quote: Stas157
                That is, you think that the number of 20 of millions of poor radically changes the picture, and makes us rich!

                In reality, the numbers are much larger than 30 and, all the more, 20 million. We are never voiced by real numbers. When necessary - underestimate, and when necessary - overstate in order to show their "successes". This is the first. And secondly, there are still people who live not on the line, but on the line or near the line, who were not included in these dubious calculations and there are many more. Maybe they fly to Turkey every year and have two or three cars in each family, but this is not because the money has nowhere to go, but because the Russian market is flooded with foreign goods, which are very convenient to sell to such a huge country, all who are not lazy make money on us. Instead of developing and improving our own production, our great-minded rulers decided to go along the simplest path - buy everything abroad, enrich their foreign partners, and at the same time have a good fuck. We ourselves do not really produce anything, even what we produce is made from imported raw materials, materials or components. And in the event of any subsequent sanctions, such proceedings are forced to stand idle or shut down. And people go to Turkey only because in their own country it is impossible to provide high-quality service for the same money! This is a disgrace for the country! We have our own seas and a suitable climate even after the collapse of the USSR. And we go to the Turks leave money! And what does our country benefit from this? Travel agencies make money? Is that all? For the country's economy, this is nothing.
                1. marline
                  marline 2 February 2018 11: 41 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Svetlana
                  Instead of developing and improving our own production, our great-minded rulers decided to go along the simplest path - buy everything abroad, enrich their foreign partners, and at the same time have a good fuck.

                  So buy domestic goods - support our manufacturer.
                  But in general, it was said at a geography class that the industry was not profitable to develop industry in Russia, you just need to be able to analyze a little bit of information. I advise you to stop throwing hats, open a climatic map of the world, think, wonder, and then tell us how it is worth "developing and improving your own production."
                  1. Svetlana
                    Svetlana 2 February 2018 12: 07 New
                    +9
                    Quote: merlin
                    But in general, about why industry in Russia is not profitable to develop, they told the school at geography classes

                    You studied in the textbook Soros or just a victim of the exam? When I was in school, nobody told us such nonsense.
                    1. marline
                      marline 2 February 2018 12: 39 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Svetlana
                      You studied in the textbook Soros or just a victim of the exam? When I was in school, nobody told us such nonsense.

                      Probably, you just shouldn’t sleep at geography lessons, well, or at least a little harder gyrus. wink
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 2 February 2018 09: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          The hungry woman spoke of twenty.

          Is she such authority?
          Although, judging by the cases, it’s definitely “authority”.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 12: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: BecmepH
            Is she such authority?

            She, um ... "profile specialist", here yes
        3. Bosch
          Bosch 2 February 2018 14: 53 New
          +5
          And the prime minister said: "There is no money, but you hold on."
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        30 million below the poverty line ...

        20 million - below the poverty line !!! 000 000 2 000 000 rubles - the budget of Moscow !!! 000 000 2 000 000 rubles - the volume of violations in public procurement (annual) !!! $ 000 million - the external debt of Russia !!! $ 000 billion - state external debt !!! belay 300 Spartans, 3 heroes and a Princess of Egypt ... yes !!! 90 degrees - right angle ... wink
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 07: 49 New
      11
      Quote: Vard
      They are tired of Putin ... please tell me ... we live badly ... all yards are crammed with cars ... in Turkey they won’t push through ours ... over the past year, the average size of clothes has increased by one ... It's like exchanging an old wife for a young one ... She is certainly prettier ... but there will be no more borsch ...

      laughing laughing laughing at the "Muscovites" - maybe on the "periphery" of the welk ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 09: 55 New
        +9
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        at the "Muscovites" - maybe on the "periphery" of the welk ...

        Specify, be kind - from what kilometer, in your opinion, the “Muscovites" end and the "periphery" so beloved by you begins.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 42 New
          11
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Please specify, please - from what kilometer do you think the “Muscovites” end and the “periphery” so beloved of you begins

          Exactly where Moscow registration ends and various Moscow tricks for pensions, salaries, etc. And you do not know? It is so natural ... repeat
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 20: 20 New
            +5
            Quote: Esoteric
            Exactly where Moscow registration ends

            Clear. And it is there that he calls to come for impressions Andrey Yuryevich?
            I dragged him, he asked a question:
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            at the "Muscovites" - maybe on the "periphery" of the welk ...

            So your answer ... is not in color. And for some reason I’m not surprised request
            Quote: Esoteric
            ... various Moscow troubles invented for pensions, salaries, etc.

            Well, let’s say, I heard something about “for pensions”, although I still need to live up to this pension.
            And what kind of "salary troubles" are there? I work for a "private trader", and have not seen any such "troubles" ... maybe the authorities are not in the subject simply? laughing
        2. AUL
          AUL 2 February 2018 20: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          at the "Muscovites" - maybe on the "periphery" of the welk ...

          Specify, be kind - from what kilometer, in your opinion, the “Muscovites" end and the "periphery" so beloved by you begins.
          Immediately beyond the Moscow Ring Road!
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Muscovites may have

        The "Muscovites", living on credit, who allow themselves to take 224 million rubles from the country's budget for personal expenses, have a conscience where ... in general, women - to the waist ... wink
    5. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 February 2018 08: 18 New
      +5
      we live poorly ... Kryndets to us. We’ll only drown America with the Saudis and Kryndets.
    6. Prometey
      Prometey 2 February 2018 08: 37 New
      18
      Quote: Vard
      all yards are clogged with cars ...

      Yards are clogged with cars even in Mogadishu - is this an indicator of well-being?
    7. zyzx
      zyzx 2 February 2018 09: 07 New
      +4
      Are the cars held by the Japanese?
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 February 2018 10: 33 New
        +2
        by the rest of the Japanese? Excellent cars. Nissan, especially! Our designers reproduce Nissan Sunny. Four-wheel drive. Awesome car! Seven years-song!
        1. zyzx
          zyzx 2 February 2018 12: 30 New
          +3
          But I’m not saying that it’s bad, only if you have money, you will obviously take a new car from the passenger compartment.
    8. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 2 February 2018 09: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: Vard
      over the past year, the average size of clothes has increased by one ..

      it's from poor nutrition that filled the shelves sad
    9. BecmepH
      BecmepH 2 February 2018 09: 41 New
      15
      Quote: Vard
      we live poorly ... cars all yards are crammed ... in Turkey from our not push.

      I noticed that these are all arguments for the quality of life at GDP)))
      "The poor are resting in Turkey" (C) I would add a soul. I am a poor person, but I can not afford (in principle) to relax in Turkey. The Caucasus is where my family is resting.
      What does rest in Turkey boil down to? Get drunk and get drunk to the dump!
      - Tagiyiel !!!
      Ask ANYONE who has been to Turkey:
      - Well, how did you rest?
      Answer:
      -Fine. Beer-sea, grub-mountains.
      -Where have you been?
      -And why go somewhere? Pool on site. Tables along the pool No need to go anywhere.
      What do you call rest?)))
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  7. parusnik
    parusnik 2 February 2018 07: 34 New
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    And what grandfather, there are communists in your city? ... To whom and Grudinin is a communist ..
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 07: 52 New
      11
      Quote: parusnik
      To whom and Grudinin is a communist ..

      This is the one to whom the bride and mare (c) yes
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 2 February 2018 10: 03 New
        11
        Tired of all of them. But Grudinin and his proxies are nowhere MLIN !!!! and never !!!! they did not say that he was a communist. Well, let's at least respect ourselves more, do not voice heresy and draw conclusions on its basis
        1. Alexsin
          Alexsin 2 February 2018 10: 59 New
          +4
          So the proxies of Grudinin do not even say that Pavel Nikolayevich joined EP in order to get through the Moscow Region Duma, and then left it. And Grudinin's confidant, Yuri Boldarev (by the way, also one of the presidential candidates from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) was one of the founders of Yabloko Yavlinsky-Boldyrev-Lukin, but fled from Yavlinsky when he realized that nothing shines with him. Now he has become a communist and hopes to get to the state feeding trough with them. With Yavlinsky that did not work.
          1. lukewarm
            lukewarm 2 February 2018 13: 18 New
            +3
            Read carefully
            Quote: unwillingly
            Tired of all of them

            I can’t lie on the lips))) I am aware of his proxies. One of them, Shevchenko, filled Harya Svinadze. What is incredibly happy and not hiding. I wish someone else had a little dog reaping - in general, the name day of the heart. I know about Boldyrev no less than you write, I followed his publications. He certainly has a different version of the way out of the apple, and he was there for a very short time. Now, from managers and close to the authorities, one cannot find sinless people. Everyone grew out of the 90s. The current president worked for Sobchak, but he is not poked with this period of his life.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      And what grandfather, there are communists in your city? ... To whom and Grudinin is a communist ..

      - And how do you feel about "edrossam"? belay
      - Directly ... yes
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 February 2018 15: 25 New
        +2
        I see nonsense here ... The oligarch represents the interests of the left forces ... and whose interests does he represent? Workers and peasants? , I doubt it ... The oligarch, the oligarchs will not suck the eyes ... We like in the fairy tale "Mary the artisan" .. "What is the will, what is not the will, anyway" .. For more than 20 years we have been presented with a choice, choose from two evils less ... Whoever the presidents choose, the essence of the state, as a bourgeois capitalist, will not change ...
        1. tezey
          tezey 2 February 2018 17: 53 New
          +2
          That's right. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation, having nominated the capitalist Grudinin as a presidential candidate, clearly demonstrated its essence. The party is by its name a communist party, in fact it is a party that has slipped into the position of protecting the interests of the bourgeoisie under social democratic slogans. Well, the bourgeois oppressor cannot defend the interests of the oppressed and offended. Therefore, it is absolutely true that no matter who is elected as president, the essence of the state, as a capitalist one, will not change.
  8. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 07: 37 New
    21
    The author of the article lies at the expense of PR Grudinin on the first and second channels. According to him, our president "reports" to different cities. And Zhirinovsky’s opponent was Grudinin only once, as far as I know. Die the ardor of gentlemen.
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 2 February 2018 07: 41 New
    +5
    It is a pity that attention is not being paid to the issue of nationality and religion of presidential candidates, and it would be very interesting to see which nation is eager for power in Russia. Yes, and it would be much easier to choose. Well, after all, Solovyov is not embarrassed that he is a Jew, why are other Jews who seek power embarrassed? They are simply afraid to show that their abundance in power, and having added this fact to problems in the country, it will be easier to conclude what to do.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 2 February 2018 10: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: Alex66
      which nation is eager for power in Russia.

      I myself have been thinking the same for a long time and now a fair anti-Semite, BUT !!!!
      Tovarisch Peskoff, Navalny, Belykh, Prokhorov, grave digger of the army Serdyukov are NOT Jews. It seems to me that the search for a purely Jewish conspiracy will simply narrow down the problem and lead seekers in the opposite direction.
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 2 February 2018 12: 05 New
        +3
        It seems to me the same that conspiracy is absurd, why? It is much better to cooperate and live in peace than to be at enmity, then you can find a way out of any situation, but this is the point of view of the Russian person, but the Anglo-Saxons did not think so and exterminated all the indigenous people. There is a category of pathologically sick people who need power and all its attributes, without which they do not see the meaning of life (during depression in the states, businessmen were thrown out of windows, the meaning of life for them did not go broke). And yes, I have a normal attitude towards Jews, but among them there is a part which doesn’t allow them to live in peace, those who worshiped the calf and crucified the prophets.
      2. Bosch
        Bosch 2 February 2018 14: 58 New
        +2
        Gorbachev, too, was not a Jew, but destroyed the country that had been gathered for a thousand years.
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 2 February 2018 11: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Alex66
      It is a pity that attention is not being paid to the issue of nationality and religion of presidential candidates, and it would be very interesting to see which nation is eager for power in Russia.

      You better look - who ALREADY in power and for a long time! And somehow it’s not even funny.
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    1. passing
      passing 2 February 2018 08: 04 New
      29
      It just coincided ...

      Sorry! What coincided? And if the photo of Grudinin is replaced by Peskov?
      You, my friend, vision is naughty
      1. insular
        insular 2 February 2018 08: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: passing
        Sorry!

        Not yet.
        Quote: passing
        What coincided?

        Appearance, no more.
        Quote: passing
        And if the photo of Grudinin is replaced by Peskov?
        I'm certainly not a great physiognomy, but it seems to me that Peskov is still very different from both, although there are some similarities.
        Quote: passing
        You, my friend, vision is naughty

        Not. OK for now.
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 2 February 2018 10: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: insular
          Sands is still very different from both

          The same mustachioed cockroach. Hairstyle on a straight part. Here he is still red, this distinguishes him disadvantageously. Well, Rodchenkov is already TAM himself, while Peskov has only a daughter. Watering us by the way no worse than Rodchenkov. It’s just that the opportunities are not the same. And, believe me, I do not know which of them is worse.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 2 February 2018 08: 11 New
      23
      Quote: insular

      It just coincided ...

      Such coincidences are found with great pleasure by people who want to mess and belittle. The dirty girls.
      Do not want to look at Ukrainian sites, there are similar cartoons, but already with Putin - a great many! You as a big fan of such pictures, appreciate it! And you can even post a couple here. A plus is guaranteed from me.
      1. insular
        insular 2 February 2018 08: 15 New
        +7
        Do not take it to heart. The fact that Grudini and relatives have some similarities in appearance is not a criterion for evaluating activities.
        So far, little is known about Grudinin, just to vote at least for the devil if only not for Putin is also not the best way out.
        Although, if you are interested, I would vote for Grudinin, than for Putin.
    3. raw174
      raw174 2 February 2018 10: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: insular

      It just coincided ...

      It happens))) Comrades are offended in vain, this is so, a moment of humor)))
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: raw174
        It happens))) Comrades are offended in vain, this is so, a moment of humor)))

        From what? Funny ... Let's joke together:
        1. raw174
          raw174 2 February 2018 13: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Esoteric
          Let's joke together:

          Together more fun drinks , and to joke to myself - the diagnosis!
          What movie? I already wrote about this a little lower on the branch ...
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 2 February 2018 11: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: insular
      It just coincided ...

      For me, Grudinin looks more like a Don Cossack. And if you compare the current ones, starting with Pu .. with someone, then they will generally be associated with mythical creatures from some Hollywood blockbusters.
      1. raw174
        raw174 2 February 2018 12: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Svetlana
        associate with mythical creatures from some Hollywood blockbusters.

        Well, it was somewhere ... I don’t remember exactly the film, there was some kind of goblin, they said that they painted it from Putin ... something from fantasy.
  11. tasha
    tasha 2 February 2018 07: 49 New
    +2
    May be..
    In this way, in a few years there will be a two-party system in Russia. wink
    And self-nominated ...
  12. Loess
    Loess 2 February 2018 07: 51 New
    +5
    In just a month of public relations campaign, the Kremlin managed to bring Grudinin to the top of Russia's most important politicians.
    And just a month after the election, no one will remember about him. Like about Prokhorov.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 07: 55 New
      18
      And by what criteria do you compare Grudinin and Prokhorov? Harems, Courchevel, Sports team, Yomobile.Da?
      1. Loess
        Loess 2 February 2018 08: 20 New
        +6
        By the criterion "a wealthy person jumped out like a devil out of a snuffbox - and immediately to the presidency." About harems, Courchevel and so on did not even remember.
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 2 February 2018 10: 29 New
          +7
          At least with completely different programs popped up, if that. And Grudinin in comparison with the giraffe oligarch is really just a wealthy person.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 2 February 2018 08: 27 New
      24
      Quote: Less
      And just a month after the election, no one will remember about him. Like about Prokhorov.

      With such explosive popularity as that of Grudinin, after the election they may not remember about his rival, our Guarantor! According to all ratings and polls, except for the notorious VTsIOM, Grudinin puts on the shoulder of the Grandmaster.
      1. Loess
        Loess 2 February 2018 08: 43 New
        +8
        Yes? As far as I can remember, Putin lost the election only during polls on Echo. However, each has its own methods of obtaining information.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 2 February 2018 09: 12 New
          12
          Quote: Less
          Putin lost the election only with polls on the Echo. However, each has its own methods of obtaining information.

          No need to go to liberal sites. I don’t even know what Echo is talking about. Look at any other resources, the result will be the same - a convincing victory for Grudinin.
          Here is the first one that came to Yandex: http://my-president.rf/
          1. Loess
            Loess 2 February 2018 09: 18 New
            +9
            You are a strange person ... VTsIOM does not believe, Echo is a dubious resource ... And then
            Quote: Stas157
            Here is the first one that came to Yandex

            makes you unconditional trust. You do not find contradictions in your position?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 February 2018 09: 23 New
              12
              Ok, take the second one. Make a selection ... whatever! VTsIOM will remain in splendid isolation. The way the people were deceived by the official accountants, I can recall the Yeltsin election. So there are quite some precedents.
              1. Loess
                Loess 2 February 2018 09: 36 New
                +8
                I must say that the Internet resource questionnaires are no more "white and fluffy" than VTsIOM, although, frankly, I do not care about any ratings, I'm used to thinking with my own head.
          2. Alexsin
            Alexsin 2 February 2018 10: 45 New
            +2
            Do not be bullshit. How can one trust obscure polls, where anyone wants to vote anonymously, from the youngsters of Navalny, but from the maid? In the elections, they will not vote. And on your "my-president" jumped.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 February 2018 10: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Alexsin
              Do not be bullshit. How can one trust obscure polls, where anyone wants to vote anonymously, from the youngsters of Navalny, but from the maid? In the elections, they will not vote. And on your "my-president" jumped.

              Find a clear survey. I do not impose anything on you. The site that I cited is the first one I got, I cited it as an example that there are such polls. Do not like it - look for any other. Unconditionally believe only VTsIOM, wholly dependent on the Kremlin, I would not.
              By the way, if you have suspicions that only those out of 404 vote in these polls, then why do the liberals in such polls, namely, Bandera primarily support them. And not the Communists!
              1. Alexsin
                Alexsin 2 February 2018 12: 20 New
                +3
                And which of the liberals should the “meritors” support? Sobchak? Do not tell my slippers. Everyone understands that Sobchak is obviously a losing option. Svidomo even though the Russians consider quilted jackets, but not the same degree. Until Navalny was removed from the elections, all Svidomo raguli drowned for Navalny, and now, due to Navalny’s non-participation, they have switched to Grudinin, as well as bulked, despite the call of his shepherd to boycott the election. Grudinin is currently the only candidate who, in their opinion, can blame Putin, and they drown him. In social networks, it immediately becomes who writes, bulk, ragul or babies.
            2. AUL
              AUL 2 February 2018 20: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexsin
              Do not be bullshit. How can one trust obscure polls, where anyone wants to vote anonymously, from the youngsters of Navalny, but from the maid? In the elections, they will not vote. And on your "my-president" jumped.

              And what, is normal access to these sites ordered? Or heaped up and stupid more stupid than normal? Logic is clearly not your strongest point!
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 2 February 2018 12: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Less
      And just a month after the election, no one will remember about him. Like about Prokhorov.

      And what do you remember about Khrushchev or Brezhnev? Andropov, Chernenko ... are these names saying something? To be honest, from the entire cavalcade of Medvedev’s cabinet I remember Shoigu and Lavrov ... belay
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 2 February 2018 13: 40 New
        0
        laughing
        Quote: Esoteric
        I remember Shoigu and Lavrov ...

        But Dvorkovich, the medina, and the predecessor Vasilyeva the effigy-eyed fellow of Peskov Lebanon?
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 15: 44 New
          +1
          And this is a list for the prosecutor. (Well, I would like wassat )
      2. Loess
        Loess 2 February 2018 14: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Esoteric
        And what do you remember about Khrushchev or Brezhnev? Andropov, Chernenko ... are these names saying something?

        Anything more than about Prokhorov. In general, I was always struck by the manner of supporters ... hmm ... the change of head of state to turn arrows on anyone, just to blur the meaning of what was said. And where are the leaders of the USSR?
        Or
        Quote: Esoteric
        from the entire cavalcade of Medvedev’s cabinet I remember Shoigu and Lavrov ..
        Did I miss something? Did these people run for president?
  13. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 2 February 2018 07: 59 New
    28
    The author once again demonstrates ignorance of the materiel and lack of logic. The Kremlin “spins” Grudinin so much that he leaked information about his foreign accounts and unleashed this story in the federal media. After that, his rating fell by about 5%. And how did Zhirik gang up on him? But this is a chain dog of power. To whom they show, he rushes to.
    And not in a warehouse or in the wrong .... Write better about your native Ukraine. For example, tell readers the motives for their participation in the first Maidan with its anti-Russian orientation in embrace with the “Germans”. Read with interest wassat
  14. passing
    passing 2 February 2018 08: 01 New
    +7
    I’m still a stranger in Russia,

    Therefore, the conclusions are at least erroneous.
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  16. groks
    groks 2 February 2018 08: 15 New
    +1
    The analysis seems to be good. But then the author was demolished. So much dirt was poured on Grudinin and actually deservedly poured, which became clear to everyone (the author was late here) - replacing Putin with Grudinin will not change anything. Nothing.
    It turns out that this is not an attempt to prepare a receiver, and certainly not an attempt to change the course of the state into a more socially oriented and less oligarch-controlled channel.
    This is an attempt to prove that Putin and his team are uncontested.
    Although ... this is from the point of view of a normal person, Grudinin is the same (censored) as those who are in power today. And from the point of view of these powerful (censorship) - it is just normal. Well, it means that they also conduct a test - are we ready to accept liberal values ​​or we still need to be zombified.
    Given the trends in society, given the leadership in the polls, even among pro-governmental sociologists, Stalin, but I don’t even know who, maybe Nikolay # 2 can be compared with Putin in terms of inaction, it should be a military receiver. Pull from the periphery of the colonel with an ideal biography and PR.
  17. apro
    apro 2 February 2018 08: 28 New
    +4
    Oh, the election ... the election candidates pi ... pi ... pi ...
    The social formation has never changed through democratic, direct, honest, transparent.
    natively recognized. pious elections. supreme power is the power of the stratum having the right to set prices and derive income from production and natural resources. And this stratum will never voluntarily give up its income. And they will find a way to maintain their power.
    But there is such a word legitimacy. When the majority of the people shows their will in supporting the existing power by participating in the elections. It does not matter what the result is. The result will be what it is.
  18. Dashing
    Dashing 2 February 2018 08: 33 New
    25
    I do not agree with the opinion of the author. No need to sculpt from Putin God, who sees everything, knows everything, foresees everything for decades. He is only a nominee of a group of people who actually own the country. A successful nominee. But the real "fathers of the nation" do not want to lose their possessions due to the dangerous challenges of the coming time, both external (the Anglo-Saxon West and China) and internal (the extinction of the economy, popular outrage, etc.) giving rise to instability. I do not exclude that the top came to the idea of ​​the need for change. Then Grudinin will be given carte blanche, as well as the current government. At least Grudinin was expelled from TV, a business-like company spitting on the red director is on the Internet. Regional authorities, and accordingly the media, are silent about him, like fish. At the same time, Himself does not get off the screens; lured media raised an unbelievable screech and scream about His greatness. The thousand-voiced chorus of officialdom insistently hammer into the brain of the electorate an uncomplicated axiom: "If not He, then who !!!"
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      1. Dashing
        Dashing 2 February 2018 09: 34 New
        16
        Boris55, if you consider yourself a donkey, then do not generalize your problem to other people. There is nothing incomprehensible in the speeches of the presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin. The real man says the thing. As a former employee of ChTZ, this is much closer to me than the mysteriously condescending smile of an earthly God, skillfully dodging unpleasant questions, speaking of great Russia for 18 years ... In which there are 22 million beggars.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 2 February 2018 09: 40 New
          +9
          Quote: DARK
          real man says business.

          And what did you like most about his speeches? What is his goal as president? - to limit their capabilities to a minimum, transfer control of the country to a swan, a crayfish, a pike, and even hell knows to whom those countries would begin to tinker like in the 90s?
          1. marline
            marline 2 February 2018 10: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            And what did you like most about his speeches?

            Apparently, all the VO visitors really liked that Grudinin promises to take money from the rich "oligarchs" and give them to the poor "bureaucrats".
            1. Dashing
              Dashing 2 February 2018 12: 37 New
              12
              merlin, why do you distort, they pay you for a lie, or what? Or just like lying for the effect. Read the program of Grudinin, listen to his performances. Grudinin talks about the nationalization of natural monopolies: gas, oil, electricity, etc., whose profits should fill the budget. What is his wrong? Natural riches are given to the country by God, and belong to the people (the latter is recorded in the Constitution of the Russian Federation). Why do a number of persons close to Him raise a steep loot and live oddly. Further, Grudinin says that education, medicine, housing and communal services, pensions, etc. state duty - are you against it too? Would you like to personally pay for everything? I do not dare to interfere with you, but there are tens of millions of people who are sure that Grudinin is right, and not you. And they really like it. What to do with them, ah, merlin.
              1. marline
                marline 2 February 2018 12: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: DARK
                Grudinin talks about the nationalization of natural monopolies: gas, oil, electricity, etc., whose profits should fill the budget.

                Here! Thank you very much for confirming my words. You are a plus.
                And for the future, remember that there is a difference between public property and state property.
                Quote: DARK
                but there are tens of millions of people who are sure that Grudinin is right, not you. And they really like it. What to do with them, ah, merlin.

                Tens of millions? What a rich imagination you have. wink
                1. Dashing
                  Dashing 2 February 2018 13: 43 New
                  +5
                  Of the 100 million voters, you can count a couple of millions who think so, as Grudinin and a couple of millions who support you and will remain until hell. So no exaggeration. As for public and state ownership, I note that there is a difference, but it was not about that.
                  1. marline
                    marline 2 February 2018 13: 53 New
                    0
                    Ek, you change your shoes in flight. So when did you write the truth? Now:
                    Quote: DARK
                    Of the 100 million voters, you can count a couple of millions thinking like Grudinin

                    Or here:
                    Quote: DARK
                    but there tens of millions of people who are sure that Grudinin is right

                    PS In general, of course, I am for the pluralism of opinions. As I wrote earlier, I tell my friends about Grudinin (I’m shocked, but many do not know about him and do not follow the pre-election race), and at the same time I try not to express my opinion about this candidate. I prefer that people themselves make their informed choices.
                    1. Dashing
                      Dashing 2 February 2018 16: 05 New
                      +2
                      Guilty, a little mistake. Of course, a couple is the top three tens of millions both as you and how we are.
                      1. marline
                        marline 2 February 2018 16: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: DARK
                        Guilty, a little mistake.

                        Freud Reservation wink
                        Best regards hi
              2. B.T.V.
                B.T.V. 2 February 2018 13: 07 New
                +2
                Quote: DARK
                but there are tens of millions of people who are sure that Grudinin is right, not you. And they really like it.


                In 1991, too, was very good. there are a lot of people who were confident in Yeltsin (I even almost became enemies with my uncle when I said that we would still cry with EBN).

                And recently in the social. networks received in a PM from her friend an agitation for Grudinin, to my remark that I do not believe him, she received the answer: "if you and I had not been friends for so many years, now we would have parted ..."
                Do you really think these "dances" for Grudinin, bringing people to such behavior, are the norm?
                1. Dashing
                  Dashing 2 February 2018 13: 46 New
                  +3
                  Dear Madame, you do not dance to other people's pipes, but go to the polling station and vote for anyone you think is necessary. And here Grudinin and the behavior of your girlfriend ... Always gave in to female logic.
                  1. B.T.V.
                    B.T.V. 2 February 2018 14: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: DARK
                    Dear Madame, you do not dance to other people's pipes, but go to the polling station and vote for anyone you think is necessary. And here Grudinin and the behavior of your girlfriend ... Always gave in to female logic.


                    I wrote somewhere that "I’m dancing to someone else’s pipe" ?!

                    Sorry, but the obsession in campaigning for Grudinin is similar to the behavior of adherents of Jehovah's Witnesses.

                    Indeed, let us take advantage of each of our constitutional rights and vote “for whom we consider it necessary” on the site, rather than trying to convince opponents of their wrongness.
                    1. Dashing
                      Dashing 2 February 2018 16: 07 New
                      +1
                      Thank God, we agreed.
                2. Vladivostok1969
                  Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 16: 42 New
                  0
                  The same thing happened with me and my uncle, only with respect to Gorbachev. Then he "danced" for Gorbatov.
              3. Captain45
                Captain45 2 February 2018 13: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: DARK
                Read the program of Grudinin, listen to his performances. Grudinin talks about the nationalization of natural monopolies: gas, oil, electricity, etc., whose profits should fill the budget. What is his wrong?

                It’s like in that joke: “Eat it, eat it. But who will he give it?”
                1. Dashing
                  Dashing 2 February 2018 16: 12 New
                  +3
                  The current Prime Minister came to power in the context of "seven-bankers". Nobody gave him the same thing. However managed. It is not necessary to think that the FSB colonel understood more about government than a successful manager and entrepreneur.
            2. Esoteric
              Esoteric 2 February 2018 13: 02 New
              +6
              Quote: merlin
              Apparently, all VO visitors really liked that Grudinin promises to take money from the wealthy "oligarchs"

              Grudinin was going to introduce a progressive tax (PIT) and select, in the sense that it was done in the 90s with a gun, soldering iron and iron, no one is going to. Why are you scared? You are not the case Usmanov? laughing
              1. marline
                marline 2 February 2018 13: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: Esoteric
                Quote: merlin
                Apparently, all VO visitors really liked that Grudinin promises to take money from the wealthy "oligarchs"

                Grudinin was going to introduce a progressive tax (PIT) and select, in the sense that it was done in the 90s with a gun, soldering iron and iron, no one is going to.

                I AM? Scared? You should write fantastic novels ... laughing laughing laughing
              2. Bosch
                Bosch 2 February 2018 15: 09 New
                0
                Usmanov, by the way, is a very decent person, unlike the Avens, Potanins, Sechins, Mordashovs and others.
          2. Dashing
            Dashing 2 February 2018 12: 20 New
            +7
            Boris55, “in his speeches” and deeds, I like everything. And what do you think, what is the purpose of the presidency of Putin? - powers were obtained that even the last all-Russian empirator, Nikolai Aleksandrovich, could not dream of; the government was seized from the swan, crayfish and pike and concentrated in Him and, mind you, even in the 90’s the country was not “derby” as it is now. All the same, 1 trillion dollars exported over a hill. His "dear friends" is a lot, even for Russia. Your joking about someone who is not Putin is inappropriate against the backdrop of 22 million beggars. Note, unlike your bites, I'm trying to give official statistics. Although, if you like to pay at wonderful tariffs for housing and communal services, it is easy to pay major repairs to your private uncle, you are happy to pay for private roads built under the USSR, for medical services, for a kindergarten, school, university, "arbytat" for pennies, etc. d. etc., then, then, of course, your statements are only true.
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 2 February 2018 13: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: DARK
          skillfully dodging unpleasant questions

          Yes, not very skillfully. And I agree
    2. kvant21
      kvant21 2 February 2018 10: 52 New
      +6
      Exactly, a dashing remark on the article! Indeed, P.N.Grudinin completely agrees that he was expelled from TV, and if a shot flashes in the evening news, then he must be accompanied by poisonous accompaniment. For this, the List of thieves and embezzlers who revolve around Putin are trying to fasten to the people and not a word about the confiscation of the loot and the dismissal from their seats. Not so P.N. Grudinin is our PEOPLE Candidate and we will not succumb to such cunning and provocative articles! Hands OFF from P.N. Grudinina !!!! We give every single voice to P.N. Belly !!! And not to Putin, since in the 18 years of his reign he has shown himself and with his team what they are capable of. (See "The Kremlin List.)
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 13: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: DARK
      ... there is a business company spitting on the red director on the Internet ...

      They spoke so smoothly, but they nevertheless pierced. Naturally, however - sewed in a bag, you know, you can’t hide.
      Tell me in more detail how the owner of a 44% stake in ZAO them. Is Lennon the "red director"?
      If only strawberries got dirty, poor request
      1. Dashing
        Dashing 2 February 2018 14: 34 New
        +5
        ... sewed in a bag ... pierced ... tell me more in detail .... Jack Golovan, it’s nice that you follow my humble thoughts, but if we were talking face to face, I’m afraid that your the defiant manner of conducting the discussion would not find in me a tolerant understanding. As long as I don’t owe you anything, that would communicate with me like that. "Red Director" is a commonly used term that refers primarily to leaders since the Soviet era, who Grudinin is (see biography). To a large part, they carry the remnants of that mentality, upbringing, knowledge gained during the Union and not nearly dreamed of by the current effective managers. CJSC, LLC, etc. - it’s just a form of ownership, and their name can be very different, for example, Gazprom, or the State Farm named after V.I. Lenin. By the way, the Bosakian style was always outraged, outraging, to misinterpret the names of the deceased historical figures. This is mean, they, after all, cannot answer you. And here Lennon ... Now it’s not the Soviet Union, so it’s not "everything is collective farm, everything is mine." There are business owners, shareholders, there are hired workers. What is surprising, in modern realities, that Grudinin owns a significant part of the shares of this company. It is important that Grudinin spends profit from his business. He does not take the granny to offshore, like the top of the country and the newly emerged elite - true patriots and ... hell. He built the infrastructure of his region, did not allow production to die, left people the opportunity to work and live with dignity. This is a red director, a socially oriented entrepreneur. You don't like it, Golovan Jack. Do you prefer it to be like ours at ChTZ? In 91, the plant produced 39900 T-170 tractors and up to 600 unique DET-250 tractors per year. This was not enough, applications were sent from all over the country. It got to the point that a significant part of the tractors was distributed by the relevant ministry on top of our sales department. The gold fund of the elite working class, unique engineering and technical personnel ... 66000 people worked at ChTZ then and more was needed. Moreover, a grandiose expansion of production began. Now at the plant up to 5000 workers rivet several hundred tractors per year. The territory was sold or leased. The collapse and social w ... pa. Unfortunately, we did not find our Grudinin.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 16: 13 New
          +6
          Mdya ... difficult with you request
          Quote: DARK
          "Red Director" is a commonly used term referring primarily to leaders since the Soviet era, who Grudinin is (see biography)

          See yes
          After the institute, he came to the state farm under a kindred wing to lead the mechanic workshops. And led until the 90th. The coolest "red director", alien ...
          Quote: DARK
          CJSC, LLC, etc. - these are just forms of ownership ...

          ... thanks, I'm in the know. The trick here is in the name: ZAO State Farm named after Lenin. Such an advertising name ... that's why I write - CJSC them. Lennon. Without the "state farm" and without Lenin. So it is more honest, IMHO.
          Quote: DARK
          He does not take the loot to offshore, like the top of the country and the newly-minted elite

          Yes of course. What was there about offshore accounts? Journalists lied to you? Blessed is he who believes ...
          Quote: DARK
          He built the infrastructure of his region ...

          ... which, to the raven, "region"?! Where did you find the" region "there?
          Quote: DARK
          ... did not let production die, left people the opportunity to work and live with dignity ...

          ... not to all people, most of it he gave a damn, and he took the shares. About the "production" - shut up better, gobble up ... and spit out the rags.
          Quote: DARK
          This is a red director, a socially oriented entrepreneur.

          One joke reminds ... about Vovochka ... but I won’t tell, I’ve already got too many request
          Quote: DARK
          Unfortunately, we did not find our Grudinin.

          Unfortunately, you do not have land there near the Moscow Ring Road, on the income from which Grudinin and his Potemkin village live.
          That's about as yes
          1. Dashing
            Dashing 2 February 2018 16: 46 New
            +2
            We talk in different windows.
          2. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 16: 50 New
            +1
            Well, all the same, without you go caravan hi
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 18: 10 New
              +5
              Quote: Vladivostok1969
              Well, all the same, without you go caravan hi

              Build in a caravan, paired with the previous speaker, and rave about where you wander request
          3. Freeman
            Freeman 2 February 2018 22: 17 New
            +2
            Golovan Jack Today, 16:13
            The trick here is in the name: ZAO State Farm named after Lenin. Advertising is such a name ... therefore I write - CJSC them. Lennon. Without the "state farm" and without Lenin. So it is more honest, IMHO.

            "State farm named after Lenin" is a brand. Moskovsky Komsomolets and Komsomolskaya Pravda are also brands inherited from the previous era.
            But on the basis of modern realities, one can hesitate - "Masonic Gomsomolets" and "Gomsomolskaya Pravda".
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 22: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: Freeman
              "State farm named after Lenin" is a brand

              Come into the Mausoleum and tell it to Lenin. He will get up and chase you from there, ahem, a rag appropriate for the occasion.
              At the same time, the presidential candidate will appear ... no match for candidate G. yes
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 2 February 2018 23: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: Freeman
                "State farm named after Lenin" is a brand

                Come into the Mausoleum and tell it to Lenin.

                request Alas, these are the realities of today's life.
  19. Boris55
    Boris55 2 February 2018 08: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: yurasumy
    ... why does the Kremlin spin Grudinin ...

    I wonder why the Kremlin needs this. What little Zhirinovsky with Zyuganov? Grudilin was not put forward by the Kremlin; he was put forward by forces dreaming of bringing Putin out of the Kremlin, with honor or in a coffin.
    All further discussions of the author on this subject are his personal fantasies, working for the interests of the enemies of Russia.
  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 February 2018 08: 43 New
    17
    Minus is a minus, and the expressed opinion is just an opinion. The article is a huge minus. Firstly, in the Union I lived a thousand times better than under Putin.
    About the 1996 elections, why everyone forgets about such a clown as Swan, interrupted Zyuganov’s votes, after which he was kicked out to the governors and then banged.
    I am for Grudinin precisely because he is a production man. Is Deripaska good or bad, but gazelles run around the country.
    And by the way about cars in the yards, raise your hands, who earn 300 thousand a month, so don’t buzz. More than half of these cars were taken on credit.
    By the way, you know the new Putin chip. If the depositor withdrew all his money at the bank, and the bank later broke up, then depositors will be forced to return the money to the bank. Your money, not a bank. Putin is a financial oligarch. that is why Putin can only talk about patriotism, but cannot be a patriot.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 2 February 2018 09: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      Firstly, in the Union I lived a thousand times better than under Putin.

      Were you, or your parents, partigenigenoss? laughing
      "... Everyone lived on a level scale, modestly like this: the system is corridor, There are only one restroom for thirty-eight rooms. Here I didn’t get a tooth, I didn’t warm my quilted jacket. Here I know for sure why it’s a penny ...."
      Quote: Gardamir
      I am for Grudinin precisely because he is a production man

      "Before voting for Russia in strawberries, look at Ukraine in chocolate." There’s the same production worker who is making a fortune on the blood of the people, incl. this is not an argument. We don’t need that.
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, you know the new Putin chip. If the depositor withdrew all his money at the bank, and the bank later broke up, then depositors will be forced to return the money to the bank.

      "... Like flies, here and there, Rumors are circulating around the houses, And the toothless old women are being carried to the minds ..." And you believe that? wassat
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 2 February 2018 09: 42 New
        +9
        Were you partigenigenoss?
        son of a carpenter and a nurse. And penny, then there was more money, enough for everything.
        And you believe that?
        Well, you believe in fairy tales about Grudinin. And the fact that the anti-people power is not to believe in it is enough to see.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 2 February 2018 09: 55 New
          +6
          Quote: Gardamir
          son of a carpenter and a nurse. And penny, then there was more money, enough for everything.

          Yes, enough. The social minimum was smeared with an even layer throughout society, which discouraged any desire to plow for themselves and for that guy who was in the party committee.
          Quote: Gardamir
          And the fact that the anti-people power is not to believe in it is enough to see.

          I see.
          But until we gain independence, until we get rid of the dollar, power will be anti-people. It is this task that Putin will have to solve in the next six years. And only after gaining independence, it will be possible to resolve the issue with the bourgeoisie within the country. Not earlier. But this task will be solved by the next president ...
          And what does Goodilin say about this?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 2 February 2018 10: 34 New
            +3
            "And in response - silence, he again did not return from the battle ..."
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 2 February 2018 13: 01 New
            +6
            to plow for yourself and for that guy in the party committee.
            Now do you like to plow for those guys in the Kremlin and nearby?
            Putin will have to decide in the next six years.
            that is, he was not 18 years old? Recently cited the example of 1945-1963, also eighteen years old.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 2 February 2018 13: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Gardamir
              that is, he was not 18 years old?

              Subtract the rule of the Medvedev clan from these 18 years.
              What he has already done: He did not let the country fall apart, he ensured food and military security.
              He carried out all the preparatory work in order to nationalize Russia. Before that, it was simply impossible to do. It is impossible to ensure the independence of a crumbling state. It is impossible to restore the national economy by a hungry people - everything is plundered. It is impossible to pursue an independent domestic policy without having a strong army and its own currency.
              Goodilin’s goal is to prevent Putin from making Russia great, strong, and independent.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 2 February 2018 14: 15 New
                +3
                provided food and military security.
                moot point. In stores, most imports. Even during the ban on Turkish tomatoes. Anyway, there were Turkish tomatoes.
                to nationalize Russia
                previously privatized their bandits, now Qatar
                It is impossible to restore the economy of a hungry people
                Another 18 years 1918-1936
                its currency
                there are still people who consider interest on treasuries, and not the development of their own industry. What Putin will do has already been voiced by Kudrin, Gref, Chubais.
                Grudinin’s goal is to prevent Putin from making Russia great, strong, and independent.
                but these are your speculations.
              2. Dashing
                Dashing 2 February 2018 16: 16 New
                +3
                "Goodilin’s goal is to prevent Putin from making Russia great, strong, and independent." After this phrase, I immediately remembered the words of Asterix from the old French comic book: "Dad Nero, but you are not sick."
              3. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 16: 54 New
                +3
                Well, remember that it bothers a bad dancer. Is there not enough time? (18 years were not enough) Or maybe something else.
          3. Esoteric
            Esoteric 2 February 2018 13: 09 New
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            It is this task that Putin will have to solve in the next six years.

            We see ... We believe ... You will not tell me who worked 20 years after the dismissal from the USSR Armed Forces as an electrician for overhead line repair, in which field are you plowed? belay And then there was a saying: one plows - seven are dancing ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 2 February 2018 13: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Esoteric
              in what field "did you plow"?

              After retirement, he "plowed" an electrician a little less than yours. I have two pensions - they won’t give a third. I do not like to answer personal questions.hi
          4. lukewarm
            lukewarm 2 February 2018 13: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            to plow for yourself and for that guy in the party committee.

            But now the Pasha for that guy who gave you the job. Previously, in the Soviet Socialist Republic, in order to destroy a person, one had to think it over. Now it’s just no work - the system will complete everything itself. As well as happen that health is heavier than flu. Thanks to the party for that! And this is not the Communist Party !!!
      2. Dashing
        Dashing 2 February 2018 10: 56 New
        13
        Boris55, why do you dislike the Union so much? What do you eat Gardamira different garbage, inserting quotes from Vysotsky to the place and out of place. Gardamir is right, I also lived perfectly in the USSR. It's time to stop carrying the blizzard to my homeland. What are you telling me about life in the Union, I have not died yet. That’s when we all rest, Soviet, then bring all the Tufta to young. After graduating from the institute in 1984, he was assigned to ChTZ as a master in the workshop. The salary is 160 rubles, plus the "Ural" salaries - 185 rubles, plus the bonus - 240-260 on hand. The rent for a three-ruble note is 2,75 rubles, a loaf of bread - 15-20 kopecks, meat: 1,75 - 2,15 rubles. in the store and 3,5 rubles .- in the bazaar, a trip to Moscow by train in a compartment - 24 rubles, Stepanov’s two-volume “Port Arthur” - 1,8 rubles, AI-93 gasoline - 40 kopecks. liter, etc. And I'm only 22 years old. All walls are hung with announcements: They are required for work, are required, are required. A year later, he became head of the bureau of technical control of the workshop: 60 subordinates and already 300 rubles, and to me - 23 years, etc. etc. until 89, when he was appointed deputy. beg. UOOTiZ production association ChTZ them. V.I. Lenin. Very well. And not because I'm so good. It was just a system: the young learn, the middle plan pulls, the older learn, and the young and promising go on! Millions of young production workers have had the same careers. For example, in our company, at the Motor Plant, a guy was appointed the head of the thermal workshop at the age of 26, and this is 600 employees. And no major business owners. As for housing, in general, it was like this, work 5 years and the apartment will be, moreover, depending on the number of family members. Those who do not want to wait are welcome, - for 1 year to a factory of reinforced concrete products for a working specialty. Work a year, get an apartment, return to ChTZ. Thousands of young families received apartments, a whole area was built for this. It’s even easier to rest, until 1991 I traveled annually on 18-day trips (there were 15, 21-day trips) to the “abroad”: Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary. And twice for 24 days in a sanatorium in Yalta. Until freedom came ... Well, here to hell with you, no work, no salary, one freedom. I’ve been on cars since 1971, when my parents bought a penny, then they took the “six” in 84, and in the 90th - the “nine”, then I’m already. This is the question of the automobile deficit in the USSR. I ran through this briefly. Of course, at that time there was enough ... and there was a blat, and party bonuses, and traders, but ordinary people lived with dignity, did not rummage around in garbage cans, did not stand unemployed at the stock exchange. I don’t know how it was in the research institutes and the media, from where many democrats offended by the Soviet system appeared, such as Berezovsky and Gaidar, but they worked a lot and honestly at the factories, factories, collective farms, and received and received work. I remember a man-made poster from local craftsmen on the wall of the evening report room in the workshop. Women were not usually present there, so the text on it was crude, but accurate:
        Comrade, hold your nerves in check
        Do not cry and do not cry!
        Fulfilled the plan - send everyone to p..du,
        I didn’t fulfill yo .... wai nah ... th!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 2 February 2018 11: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: DARK
          Boris55, why do you dislike the Union so much?

          The union of the times of Stalin - I really like it, but the union of the times of Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev - absolutely not!
          Can you answer the question: how is Goodilin going to get rid of the dollar? Does he have at least one thought on this? If yes, voice it.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 February 2018 11: 42 New
            +7
            Quote: Boris55
            Can you answer the question: how is Goodilin going to get rid of the dollar? Does he have at least one thought on this?

            Thoughtfully how ... And you, sir, will you give an answer? And the name of the person is ugly to write incorrectly, Grudinin, it is spelled like that.
            Then let me remind you that the Bretton Woods system, which has existed for a long time already ... For something, you can’t see the creeps of the current financial and economic circles, with the breakdown of this system, on the contrary, the Gaidar Forum. Where all the liberals, financiers and economists including Medvedev gathered for preservation of the existing.
            Then you, here so violently, I support Stalin, yeah, but you forgot what was the socio-economic formation under Joseph Vissarionovich, and which now?
            To change something, including your question, it’s worth changing the system. Do you not understand or don’t want to understand? Apparently, KOBs are mobs, nodes, your mind is completely muddied that you don’t perceive the obvious.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 2 February 2018 12: 29 New
              +3
              Lord ... And when people start answering questions ... The same question is for you: how is Goodwin, great and terrible, NOT YOU, AND HE, is going to get rid of the dollar? Does he have at least one thought on this?

              ps In the world there are many states that are not under the dollar, including in Europe.
              1. Dashing
                Dashing 2 February 2018 13: 32 New
                +4
                Boris55, you still don’t ask us about the actions of the future, I hope the President of the Russian Federation Grudinin, but refer to candidate Grudinin with this question. Regarding the good old Henry Kissinger, I note that his statements are incomplete. The very old and very unkind Nathan Rothschild used to say, "Whoever owns the information, owns the world." I think old Rothschild is more right. And with the dollar there is an effective decision made at the time by the unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich. After Breston-Wooddock, when they actively tried and tried to figure out what to do with the ruble, Stalin held a meeting on this issue. The Chairman of the USSR State Planning Commission and a number of comrades stood for pegging the ruble to the dollar. "Why do you think so?" - Stalin managed. "According to our calculations, the dollar will only grow over the next 20 years," replied the Chief according to plans in the USSR. "Do you suppose so ?," the messenger of hell interfered, a ghoul, a bloody executioner, day and night fucking a host of Soviet women and, at the same time, a brilliant manager, clever, creator of the most effective intelligence of those times, the head of the nuclear project and creator of the nuclear industry, the first curator Laurentius Beria’s rocket and space programs. “We know,” the Chairman of the State Planning Commission snapped weightily. Stalin tapped the silent radio, wincing, rubbed his sore arm, and said, “Here I heard the weather forecast. Comrade Chairman of the State Planning Commission, you don’t know what the weather will be like tomorrow? "" No, Comrade Stalin. "" See how interesting it is? You don’t know what will happen tomorrow, but do you know what will happen to the dollar for 20 years ahead? Is it correct. I think no. Mi cannot put the state of our currency on such a precarious basis. We need another equivalent, stable, always growing, predictable for centuries. "What"? - Exhaled those present. “Gold,” answered Stalin. So the ruble was tied to gold. After the death of Stalin, from Khrushchev, the link began with the "little red one" - ten rubles and higher. I think, and now, on the dollar, the opinion of Comrade Stalin is the only true one.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 2 February 2018 13: 45 New
                  0
                  Quote: DARK
                  I think, and now, on the dollar, the opinion of Comrade Stalin is the only true one.

                  I agree.
              2. badens1111
                badens1111 2 February 2018 14: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                And when people start answering questions

                Once again, and according to LETTERS-And you, sir, will you give an answer? No? Then be silent. For there is no Grudinin, and you want an answer from him-forward to YouTube, to the site of Neuromir, the Red Line, ask a question.
                So in goodwill, you’re more likely to go than anyone else, even if it’s Putin.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 2 February 2018 14: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: badens1111
                  will you give the answer, sir?

                  I said for Putin. You are for Buzz - no. This is the same answer. Thank. hi
        2. marline
          marline 2 February 2018 11: 54 New
          +2
          In the party since what year? And parents?
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    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 14: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, you know the new Putin chip. If the depositor withdrew all his money at the bank, and the bank later broke up, then depositors will be forced to return the money to the bank. Your money, not a can

      Chiiii-and-and-ii-oh-ohhhh ??? belay

      Shah ... no longer pour gardamira stop

      Here the comrade burns at work, already it is a pity for him sometimes ...
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 17: 12 New
        +1
        Here the comrade burns at work, already it is a pity for him sometimes ...

        During a visit to the Rostselmash plant, the head of state said that in this situation, I would very much like to lower gas prices. Vladimir Putin explained that in some regions the cost is reasonable, since it is necessary to carry out complex delivery. Nevertheless, as the head of state noted, in any case, the FAS should closely monitor the situation.
        Now comment. Is it a stuffing or PR?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 2 February 2018 17: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          Now comment. Is it a stuffing or PR?

          This is a PR. Because under the conditions of thieves-speculative capitalism created in the country, the state does not have economic regulation of retail prices.
        2. Dashing
          Dashing 2 February 2018 18: 30 New
          +2
          "Is it stuffing or PR"? Vladivostok 1969 is diarrhea.
      2. Freeman
        Freeman 2 February 2018 23: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Gardamir
        By the way, you know the new Putin chip. If the depositor withdrew all his money at the bank, and the bank later broke up, then depositors will be forced to return the money to the bank. Your money, not a can

        Chiiii-and-and-ii-oh-ohhhh ??? belay

        Shah ... no longer pour gardamira stop

        Here the comrade burns at work, already it is a pity for him sometimes ...

        Before reading further, drip yourself a “5 drops” cognac or valokardinchika.
        The Deposit Insurance Agency (DIA) is massively suing clients of credit institutions who managed to pick up deposits shortly before the banks went bankrupt. The organization requires citizens to return their own money, as they are allegedly withdrawn illegally.
        It is noted that after a forced return of money, customers can partially return funds - but not more than 1,4 million rubles, which are provided in the form of insurance. If the amount is larger, clients have to get into the register of creditors, but a refund is not guaranteed.

        Sources:
        1. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3535344

        2. http://www.mk.ru/economics/2018/02/01/uspevshikh-
        zabrat-dengi-iz-bankovbankrotov-rossiyan-zastavly
        ayut-vozvrashhat-sredstva.html

        3. http://www.banki.ru/news/bankpress/?id=10254280

        4. https://www.bfm.ru/news/376490
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 23: 17 New
          +4
          Here you are numb ...
          Quote: Freeman
          Sources of

          So what? Where here
          Quote: Gardamir
          By the way, you know the new Putin chip. If the depositor withdrew all his money at the bank, and the bank later broke up, then depositors will be forced to return the money to the bank

          Federal Law of October 26, 2002 N 127-ФЗ "On Insolvency (Bankruptcy)"

          The new chip, and it is "from Putin", og yes
          Continue to continue, or do you understand already?
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 2 February 2018 23: 50 New
            +1
            Golovan Jack Today, 23:17
            Here you are numb ...
            The new chip, and it is "from Putin", og

            hi Here I agree with you. Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.
            And according to the law adopted in one of his presidential terms, he cannot do anything.
            Federal Law "On Insurance of Deposits of Individuals at Banks of the Russian Federation" dated December 23.12.2003, 177 N XNUMX-ФЗ
            Article 27. Basics of interaction between the Agency, state authorities and the Bank of Russia.
            1. Federal bodies of state power, bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, bodies of local self-government and the Bank of Russia do not have the right to interfere in the activities of the Agency for the implementation of its legislatively assigned functions and powers.

            But the chip from the DIA is really new.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 09: 22 New
              +4
              Quote: Freeman
              But the chip from the DIA is really new

              This "new feature" was originally spelled out in the Federal Law from the 2002 forgotten year.
              So, if it’s “new,” then with old holes yes
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 3 February 2018 10: 47 New
                +1
                Golovan Jack Today, 09:22
                So, if it’s “new,” then with old holes

                They began to apply only in large quantities only now. Moreover, they “hit the squares,” indiscriminately, on pure formalism.
                What is it for? Really really "State Department agents" all around? what
                Although such a massive "case of banks" does not seem to have occurred even in the financial crisis of 2008.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 10: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Freeman
                  it seems that there wasn’t such a massive "case of banks" even during the financial crisis of 2008

                  Pra-a-aavilno ... called "sanitation of laundries."
                  A "chip" was originally conceived to catch the tricked. Type of "insiders."
                  Maybe I didn’t know which of the conscientious hurt.
                  Let me remind you: in order to get under the distribution with this "trick", you must:
                  - Football your money in a "strange" bank. There is still usually a percentage on the deposit ... much higher than in others.
                  - to go there for more than 1.4 lyama.
                  - manage to withdraw this money in less than 1 month before the arrival of the DIA in this bank.

  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2018 08: 44 New
    +2
    Putin's many-ways moves: why does the Kremlin spin Grudinin

    IN the Kremlin project?
    1. Alber
      Alber 2 February 2018 12: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Putin's many-ways moves: why does the Kremlin spin Grudinin

      IN the Kremlin project?

      Do you have any doubts about this?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2018 15: 08 New
        +1
        Yes, it’s somehow violet to me, it’s just tired
        liberals on the fed channels scream that they do not give air
        here they shout that the Kremlin is spinning Grudinin
  22. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 2 February 2018 09: 12 New
    19
    Outright lies and propaganda, not an article. It simply causes organic rejection. Only people after defragmentation of the brain can believe in such "cunning" plans of our government.
    Where is Grudinin inflated rating in a zombie? They are either silent about him or speak for ten seconds with mockery and mockery. This swan bird was inflated with a rating, it was inflated with a prokhor, I think everyone remembers how impudently and cynically these pacifiers were imposed on us. One could really see there that they were trying to introduce these people into politics in the interests of the Kremlin.
    Now the picture is completely different. This gang cannot play so subtly, it always acts rude, clumsy, completely not thinking about the consequences, and not anticipating the results of its actions. The author's conclusions in the mega-intellectuality of these brothers from the organs that got up on feeding are exaggerated.
    To my regret, it is a matter of war. Nobody will hand over power peacefully, for them it is like death, a gang of thieves does not play honestly by the rules, it changes them for itself. Will we get Maidan in Ukraine, or will it be even worse? This is the main question that has been bothering me the most lately.
    As if we all together then did not have to envy the Khokhlov, in the end.
    1. Alexsin
      Alexsin 2 February 2018 10: 36 New
      +3
      The war is in your head. There will be no Maidan. GDP will receive its 70% support of the people, Zyuganov will always announce dirty elections, because Grudinin did not win, (Grudinin could win with 7% Karl !!!) But he was glad that he finally defeated his main rival Zhirinovsky, which was required by substituting Grudinin, instead of himself, will calm down by going to the DUMA to continue to wipe his pants at the head of his party. Well, babies, jump, jump, that did not grow together to receive from Comrade Grudinin the promised socialist happiness of the entire working people, again they will go looking for “hawthorn”.
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 2 February 2018 10: 39 New
        +3
        You say stupidity. About 7% is generally funny. But my cowardly little soul might even be glad of such an outcome as an alternative to bloodshed ... Although I believe this with great difficulty.
        1. marline
          marline 2 February 2018 10: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          About 7% is generally funny.

          Highly. I do not believe in Grudinin. I’m not going to vote for him, but my acquaintances will learn about the “existence” of such a candidate from me. So I, it turns out, is also advertising it, because no one needs to see it by itself ...
        2. Alexsin
          Alexsin 2 February 2018 11: 16 New
          +3
          Yes, no stupidity is not here. The people in Russia do not live so badly as Zyuganov whistles about this, agitating people to return to the past. The Russians no longer believe in the promise of "lay on the rails" and compare the times when they were promised European happiness and what they got today. And no matter how Zyuganov did not whistle about the impoverishment of the people, the cities clogged with foreign cars say the opposite. People believe that Putin is stability for the next 6 years, and not troubles with all sorts of "Expropriation of expropriators", which will inevitably lead to what you are so worried about, that is, to the asshole in Russia. The departure of capital from Russia and the run of investors. Therefore, they will vote for Putin in their absolute majority.
          1. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 2 February 2018 11: 38 New
            +5
            I ask you to contact a psychiatrist, and then tell me about the diagnosis, I want to make sure that my correspondence assessments of your mental activity do not differ from the point of view of a competent specialist from the earth.

            “Another 6 years of stability” - I can’t even find the right word!
            1. Alexsin
              Alexsin 2 February 2018 12: 46 New
              +4
              "Competent specialist" who is this? A specialist who has been growing strawberries for 20 years. And now that he has become a specialist in how to equip Russia? To plant strawberries all over Russia? And who will clean? Pensioners who pick strawberries from a specialist for a box of strawberries?
              Everyone who at least once tried to express their opinion on the Internet already knows what this is always accompanied by. A huge number of plebeians, cheeky and boorish, immediately encircle the author with the most heinous insults. No one is going to seriously analyze your arguments.

              Mocking begins, in which the plebeians begin to compensate for the oppressive sense of their inferiority and get the opportunity to cheat with impunity to any person. The radicalism of the degree of rudeness increases their self-esteem and serves as a feeling of satisfaction from what has been done: the steeper the insult, the brighter the victory. "
              1. Vasya Vassin
                Vasya Vassin 2 February 2018 14: 31 New
                +4
                There is no need to engage in demagogy and ascribe to Zyuganov a promise to go on the rails, his opponent lied about this, the same one who spoke about European values. Your trick in this matter will not work. Gennady Andreyevich did a great job — he created the Communist Party of Russia, the Russian people were deprived of many years of their party, and this is one of the reasons for the death of the USSR. This time, and the second - keeping the base, in time gave the opportunity to nominate a worthy candidate from the united front of all left and patriotic forces. It was a strong political move.

                Speaking of a specialist from the ground, I had in mind your local psychiatrist, whom I advise you to show up on time before it’s too late to turn for help. And this is not a mockery, you obviously live in a fictional world, not noticing anything around. On this I think our debate is over, because I do not think it is right to continue it, here we need a doctor.
                1. marline
                  marline 2 February 2018 14: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasya Vassin
                  Gennady Andreyevich did a great job - created the Communist Party of Russia, the Russian people were deprived of many years of their party, ...

                  Sorry for the naive question: Have you read the Manifesto of the Communist Party?
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 2 February 2018 16: 02 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vasya Vassin
                  in time gave the opportunity to nominate a worthy candidate from the united front of all left and patriotic forces. It was a strong political move.

                  I agree with you.
                  Zyuganov was inspired and that’s what he said to the authorities:
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 2 February 2018 13: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexsin
            The Russians no longer believe the promises of "lie on the rails" and compare the times when they were promised ...

            It is strange that Putin does not promise anything. Nothing ... Not on paper, not in numbers. They even discuss their plans and performance reports in the State Duma, then add 40% to their salaries and say that there is no money, and you hold on ... What can we expect from Putin in six years?
          3. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 17: 17 New
            +1
            Excuse me. And how will investor care affect you personally?
          4. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 2 February 2018 20: 34 New
            +1
            ALEXIN It's funny to listen. that the departure of capital and the run of investors will begin. What is happening now? The question is most angry; "we are waiting for investors" means we will give our money anywhere. but if only not in their economy. then, as the guarantor says, “it will accelerate inflation” and then we will wait when the uncle comes and invests! Simplicity is worse than theft.
      2. lukewarm
        lukewarm 2 February 2018 14: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexsin
        it did not grow together to receive from Comrade Grudinin the promised socialist happiness of the entire working people, again the “hawthorn” would go looking.

        Rough. How do you differ from the little dog with her snobbish contempt for ordinary people. Che already there, cut the truth-uterus - "quilted jackets." By the way, the "hawthorn" is a sign of the old-new government, earlier bukhariks had enough for something more decent. And, let it be known to you, those who are already bursting hawthorn are already not interested in politics and elections, but only in the presence of their own product. To your health! (clink glasses with you hawthorn)
  23. Rostislav
    Rostislav 2 February 2018 09: 30 New
    +7
    Some argue that the Kremlin is afraid of Grudin, while others say that it is spinning. But all agree on one thing, the Kremlin is steering.
    Some say that you need to drink less, others - that you need to drink more, but all agree on one thing - you need to drink.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 February 2018 09: 40 New
    +1
    "Check it, check .. (E. Leonov h / f" Ordinary Miracle ")
  25. akudr48
    akudr48 2 February 2018 09: 41 New
    11
    A cheap trick to discredit the opponents of Putin, or rather, the only enemy.

    For starters, the author came up with a fantastic intrigue that Putin would not go to the polls, and then enthusiastically refuted it, and in a short text gave a lot of hints and instructions against Grudinin, for example.
    - Grudinin is a protege of the Kremlin (where is your evidence, A. Schwarzenegger would ask)
    - the choice fell on Grudinin (like, he is a puppet, and his big boss chose)
    - he suddenly found a lot of advantages (why all of a sudden it would be necessary to indicate about the advantages)
    -He is a representative of not only the Communist Party, but also other popular forces (and this is the Maidan, by the way, think the electorate)
    - behind the Maidan, which the applicant wants, of course are the United States (and as without the State Department here, nothing)
    - it is promoted by state-owned media (and not if it is ferociously watered with mud)
    - Grudinin is created with an eye on the next election (again, the State Department)
    - since he is such a radish, then the Kremlin will head the process of growing it
    - etc., etc., etc.

    Here is such a vinaigrette (or it would be more correct to repeat after Prime Minister Dima) the compote whipped up in the creative kitchen of the guardians for the fate of Russia ...
  26. Mikhail Filippov
    Mikhail Filippov 2 February 2018 10: 11 New
    0
    And the dofig versions actually. Do you suppose that Grudinin may be this very successor? Well, judge for yourself - under Putin we took new positions in Ukraine (Crimea and Donbass), in Moldova (our Dodon) in the West (Serbia, Czech Republic, Austria). And now it is necessary not to climb into new horizons, but to consolidate and hold these positions. Grudinin will cope with this.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 2 February 2018 14: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail Filippov
      under Putin, we took new positions in Ukraine (Crimea and Donbass), in Moldova (our Dodon) in the West (Serbia, Czech Republic, Austria).

      laughing
      The most important thing was forgotten. TRUMP in America. Eh, well then. From Peremogi to Peremoga, and the main thing I forgot I forgot ...
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 2 February 2018 16: 25 New
        0
        Trump is today, but tomorrow may not be. Plus, he doesn’t have such powers as Putin
  27. Alexsin
    Alexsin 2 February 2018 10: 21 New
    +5
    That's right. Another month of such agitation and the liberals with Navalny will urge their supporters to vote for Putin. The coming to power of the communist Zyuganov will be a terrible Putin. The Putin regime will seem like a paradise. And then, then, what the opponents of the Putin regime have constantly talked about, they will finally see in life. GULAGs that no one has canceled. And Zyuganov promises to transplant all "enemies of the people"
  28. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 2 February 2018 10: 26 New
    +1
    What was required ... to the Kremlin.)))
    It was immediately clear, they chose a beginner who knows how to speak, but with a tarnished reputation (stocks, deposits, etc.) so that doubts are (and serious) and the opposition accepts the rules of the game as I didn’t understand. I think I’ll pick up 12% of Maxim.
  29. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 10: 31 New
    +1
    Yuri Podolyaka again surpassed himself. He wrote here in order to make fun of him, consider him pro-Kremlin. And so it happened, we laugh at his opuses. But no! The task was then posed much more cunningly. Now Yuri is fundamentally opposed to Grudinin in the article, it would seem here it is! But in fact, what Yuri wrote is true! The elites do bet on both Grudinin and Putin. That's just the elite spat on the people, their games are more important to them! Therefore, neither Putin nor Grudinin has ever been a messiah. Therefore, neither I nor my relatives are going to this election for the elite!
    1. Alexsin
      Alexsin 2 February 2018 11: 31 New
      +2
      Who is the mission for your family? Bulk, or Ksenia Sobchak? Do you miss European lace panties or jamon? Or both? So there are rumors that Navalny and Sobchak are also a Kremlin project. Your family is not lucky with the homeland and the people. Can you blame for the hill. And you will be happy without the Russian "cattle"
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 15: 20 New
        +2
        wink And go, you my friend yourself! Because as you can see, neither family nor children. Yes, lace shorts are more to your face.
  30. kvant21
    kvant21 2 February 2018 10: 35 New
    +7
    False, alluring but artfully veiled. Yes, the cunning lie is all in the article! Firstly, neither the Kremlin put forward and pushes P.N. GRUDININ, but the Communist Party and other parties and especially the sympathy for him among our RUSSIAN people. And never P.N. Grudinin is not given 1 channel and other TV channels. And they show and try to promote with the help of TV to everyone an annoyed polit. Clown Zhirinovsky and often flashes Putin, but PN Grudinini not - so the author is wrong !. And P.N. Grudinin only thanks to popular sympathies and the program and the 20 steps, and his meetings and speeches, since all this coincides with our interests - the people. And in the evening news, as a rule, the hosts will surely throw a fly in the ointment when there is a frame about the meeting of PN Grudinin. So the cunning provocation that P.N.G. this is a candidate from Putin will not pass and do not try, not respected and nameless author of the article !. We are for P.N. Grudinin and all voices up to one only P.N.G., and not Putin.
    1. Alexsin
      Alexsin 2 February 2018 11: 39 New
      +3
      It is ridiculous to look at the APG when he assures his babies that everything is bad in Russia, and Comrade Zyuganov even shit comes out trying to explain how Putin ruined everything in Russia in 17 years, and then see him as a capitalist, the communist Grudinin visits Russian enterprises, where workers tell him how they are doing well at the plant, at the plant. Do you think this in Putin’s evening “cunning provocation”?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 15: 21 New
        +2
        laughing Are you trying to crush your opponent with intelligence? Will you succeed, not sure!
  31. Vasyatka
    Vasyatka 2 February 2018 10: 45 New
    +3
    The author is clearly mistaken in his conclusions.
  32. Horse meat
    Horse meat 2 February 2018 10: 55 New
    +1
    I am for the NKVD.
    Only the NKVD can make the army not shoot past and not load the people, but conquer territories.
  33. seal78
    seal78 2 February 2018 10: 59 New
    +2
    Only a single candidate from dissatisfied leftists, radicals and liberals can make real competition ... no, not to Putin, but to the one who comes after him (and sooner or later this will happen). This is the only way Washington can achieve its goals in Russia.
    -------------------------------------------------
    ------------------
    Everything is logical. But then, for some reason, delirium about the Kremlin follows, instead of the logical conclusion that Grudinin is the Washington project.
    1. Alexsin
      Alexsin 2 February 2018 11: 48 New
      +4
      I agree with you. With the help of Grudinin, the State Department wants to dump Putin. With Navalny, that did not work. Well, Ksyusha doesn’t set bets. And then you won’t envy Grudinin, unless of course Pavel Nikolaevich changes his mind about being friends with Washington, and the EU, as he promises to his babies, and has time to rot everyone dissatisfied with his presidency in the GULAGs. And Bulk including.
      1. Dashing
        Dashing 2 February 2018 18: 36 New
        +3
        Alexsin, You so often and with such voluptuousness mention the Gulag that you still want to send there.
  34. gorgo
    gorgo 2 February 2018 11: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    All your arguments are simpletons! You would bring real numbers .... But they are not at all encouraging! The average salary is 500 dollars. Pension is even less! 30 million below the poverty line ...


    But are there countries where there are no poor? And can there be such countries in principle? Well, there was one ... Not for long, however, tormented. Because people do not want to be “not poor,” but “rich.” And you can be rich only and exclusively at the expense of your neighbor. The world is so arranged that there are many, but not many. Divide the wealth of the oligarchs and "above average" at all, and get Brezhnev's stagnation and leveling. There are objective things that you can’t change in any way. Consider also external factors - pressure, sanctions, forced military spending. Plus internal enemies (they are, you understand), sabotage and wrecking. So we get the picture. And she’s not at all as bad as she could be ...
    1. Dashing
      Dashing 2 February 2018 18: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: gorgo
      But are there countries where there are no poor? And can there be such countries in principle? Well, there was one ... Not for long, however, tormented. Because people do not want to be “not poor,” but “rich.” And you can be rich only and exclusively at the expense of your neighbor. The world is so arranged that there are many, but not many. Divide the wealth of the oligarchs and "above average" at all, and get Brezhnev's stagnation and leveling. There are objective things that you can’t change in any way. Consider also external factors - pressure, sanctions, forced military spending. Plus internal enemies (they are, you understand), sabotage and wrecking. So we get the picture. And she’s not at all as bad as she could be ...

      Dear gorgo, your text is fully suited to the state of modern Ukraine - the same foolishness of thoughts.
  35. slavatvp
    slavatvp 2 February 2018 11: 23 New
    +2
    Well, the logic of this gentleman, if so - new, we love dogs for a long time, we are afraid to admit it).
  36. Dmitriy75
    Dmitriy75 2 February 2018 11: 35 New
    +2
    And where does Putin have to do with it? The idiocy of the writer of this article is astounding; he has no more PR than other clowns, even for the reverse, Grunin is being drained. In two words - Analytics of idiocy.
  37. arkadack
    arkadack 2 February 2018 11: 48 New
    0
    Personally, the article pleased me. Where the author saw special attention to this Grudinin. At Solovyov he was 1 time. In 60 minutes - too. As well as some other candidates. In addition to Wolfovich of course. For me, on the contrary, the author is upset by the fact that Tom is not enough PR. Therefore, the article is in the same piggy bank.
  38. flicker
    flicker 2 February 2018 12: 08 New
    +3
    The State Department relied on Lech, that was not allowed, together with Lehi they launched Pavlik. Lech and Pavlik berries from one field,
  39. Chichikov
    Chichikov 2 February 2018 12: 09 New
    +1
    I am still a stranger in Russia ...
    And thank God! In Russia, and its "fifth column" is enough.
  40. Alber
    Alber 2 February 2018 12: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    If you do not watch TV, this is certainly commendable. But the program "News" and "News" on "Russia 1" and "Channel One" can sometimes be seen on Sundays.



    Sabchachka is also a project of the Kremlin, a kind of pocket "eternal opposition" ...
    Does she seem to be Putin’s goddaughter?
  41. Anatoly Borkov
    Anatoly Borkov 2 February 2018 12: 41 New
    +8
    It is necessary to judge by deeds, and not by what they write, say and come up with Putin's deceitful media. Everything that P. Grudinin did, in spite of all the INTERFERENCE OF AUTHORITY, can be seen in reality, and NONE OF THE GOS.KANAL EVER HAS REVEALED THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF HIS ECONOMY, but as soon as the PATRIOTS OF RUSSIA and the Communist Party nominated him as the ONE candidate, DIRTY IRANIA . Fear swept over the talkative mediocre power. V. Putin, before putting himself forward for the next ANTI CONSTITUTIONAL DURATION, was obliged to REPORT on the fulfillment of his previous PROMISES, to submit his next program, and not to get off with the usual slogans: - "PROMISE, PROMISE THE PROMISED". Well, about his affairs can be found by reading CASE number 144128- "CASE OF PUTIN"; The case of the deputy of St. Petersburg M.SOLIER; Accusations of the prosecutor VIKTOR IVANOVICHI ILYUKHIN, etc. The authorities have blinded citizen Putin so much that, after 18 years of his mediocre rule, KILLING THE COUNTRY, he decided to stay at her FUNERAL. To bring the PEOPLE to the state that they no longer believe in the FAIRNESS OF THE ELECTIONS, and SURE OF THEM 100% FALSIFICATION, is of course “ACHIEVEMENT.” Only by voting for the TEAM PAVLA GRUDININ, we give ourselves and the COUNTRY a chance for a REJECTION. SUCCESSES.
    1. Selvester
      Selvester 2 February 2018 12: 55 New
      +1
      More caps! otherwise no one will vote for Grudinin XD
    2. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 2 February 2018 13: 54 New
      +3
      That's right noticed
  42. Selvester
    Selvester 2 February 2018 12: 45 New
    +1
    The article is true, but with one amendment: Grudinin is not Putin’s agent, but just the real creature of the West - Gorbachev 2.0
    1. Dashing
      Dashing 2 February 2018 16: 20 New
      +1
      You do not know how to correctly spell the name Sylvester, but talk about problems of a cosmic scale.
  43. Clueless
    Clueless 2 February 2018 13: 06 New
    0
    most likely, just after the election, Grudinin will become the prime minister and all things, because the iPhone has already got everyone, and Putin will always fly for him :)
  44. Anatoly Borkov
    Anatoly Borkov 2 February 2018 13: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Anatoly Borkov
    It is necessary to judge by deeds, and not by what they write, say and come up with Putin's deceitful media. Everything that P. Grudinin did, in spite of all the INTERFERENCE OF AUTHORITY, can be seen in reality, and NONE OF THE GOS.KANAL EVER HAS REVEALED THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF HIS ECONOMY, but as soon as the PATRIOTS OF RUSSIA and the Communist Party nominated him as the ONE candidate, DIRTY IRANIA . Fear swept over the talkative mediocre power. V. Putin, before putting himself forward for the next ANTI CONSTITUTIONAL DURATION, was obliged to REPORT on the fulfillment of his previous PROMISES, to submit his next program, and not to get off with the usual slogans: - "PROMISE, PROMISE THE PROMISED". Well, about his affairs can be found by reading CASE number 144128- "CASE OF PUTIN"; The case of the deputy of St. Petersburg M.SOLIER; Accusations of the prosecutor VIKTOR IVANOVICHI ILYUKHIN, etc. The authorities blinded citizen Putin so much that, after 18 years of his mediocre rule, KILLING THE COUNTRY, he decided to stay at her FUNERAL. To bring the PEOPLE to the state that they no longer believe in the VALIDITY OF THE ELECTIONS, and SURE OF THEM 100% FALSIFICATION is of course "ACHIEVEMENT." Only by voting for the TEAM PAVLA GRUDININ, we give ourselves and the COUNTRY a chance for REVIVAL. SUCCESSES.
  45. Illusion
    Illusion 2 February 2018 13: 19 New
    +1
    Grudinin ..... looked at his deeds, well, just some kind of Houdini!
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    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 2 February 2018 13: 37 New
      +1
      Absolutely right! But all sorts of yawning cats want to convince us that these microcephals are capable of something meaningful! To eat, to eat, to crap is yes, and also to multiply by its voluminous bureaucratic apparatus. Something useful we will never wait for them.
  47. the same doctor
    the same doctor 2 February 2018 13: 43 New
    +2
    Do not understand. Where does the Kremlin spin the sternum? Allowed to register it by law? Is Grudinin still alive? Therein. what, perhaps, will allow us to live to see the election?
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      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 2 February 2018 14: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Sankyulot
        I especially like the argument of the confused, "if Grudinin was an honest businessman, he would have been banged for a long time"

        And I believe in honest oligarchs. Here is one of them:

        All!!! Rats ran from the ship. This is what our valiant leadership has led. After the collapse of the USSR, gold and assets disappeared somewhere and is now repeated ... Only socialism and the nationalization of natural resources. Do not like it - put everything in a suitcase and in ... in the rhyme would be "Magadan", but steer to where your homeland ...
  48. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 14: 00 New
    +5
    You’ll already agree on the authors, some consensus is that the Kremlin is afraid of Grudinin or the Kremlin created Grudinin. And then yesterday is afraid, today, why the Kremlin created. I'm confused, I need to watch TV, calm down (just kidding).
  49. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 14: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Sankyulot
    I especially like the argument of the confused, "if Grudinin was an honest businessman, he would have been banged for a long time"
    This is a brilliant feature of all 18 years of Putin)

    In my opinion, before Putin, they shot an order of magnitude more often, or not?
    1. Sansculotte
      Sansculotte 2 February 2018 14: 15 New
      +1
      Maybe more often, less often, I don’t know. You see, in the future it is always better to live than in the past
      I’m talking about Putin’s time, when the Putinists themselves say that if a businessman is alive, he’s a swindler.
  50. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 14: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Sankyulot

    Without indications from above, confused animals are dominated by animal reflexes - "unfamiliar, unusual" (Grudinin) - MEANS DANGEROUS!

    All double basses, and one I am a gentleman. Your attitude towards people smacks of fascism.
    1. Sansculotte
      Sansculotte 2 February 2018 14: 17 New
      +1
      And what to do, do you think I'm ashamed?
      1. SEER
        SEER 16 February 2018 02: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Sankyulot
        And what to do, do you think I'm ashamed?

        liberals are never ashamed. even if the eyes are not dew at all ...