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Scuffle live

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The incident that occurred on January 30 in the radio studio "Komsomolskaya Pravda", perhaps, inspired the patriotic public. Still would! Live received one of the most odious liberals Nikolai Svanidze. The one that for many years poured dirt on the leaders of the Soviet Union, and indeed in the Soviet period stories our country.


His opponent Maxim Shevchenko in this clash looked like a complete winner. First, he did not start a fight. Even before direct personal insults, it was Svanidze who fell. Secondly, Shevchenko was able to give a very worthy rebuff to a man who, from curses, turned to a fight. Thirdly, judging by the reaction of social networks and polls conducted on sites, the majority supported the position of Shevchenko. For example, on the website “Rambler-news»More than 60% voted in support of the latter. Of course, one cannot judge public opinion only on the Internet. But one should also take into account that the older generation is covered by the global network to a lesser extent than the youth, and it is even less “liberal”.



Indeed, the position of the defender of the graves of Soviet soldiers looks among the common people far more worthy than spitting up the leaders of the Great Victory, and through them the whole Victory as a whole.

This is what Maxim Shevchenko said after the incident:

“I never dismiss the first hand. There was a verbal discussion. I told him: “Kolya, you spit on the graves of Soviet soldiers.” He told me: “You scum. If you were closer, I would give you in the face. ”... He went towards me, I got up, put my hands behind my back. He hit me, after that I, on instinct, answered him. He flew into the corner. ”


However, Svanidze found his supporters. One of them is the “secular lioness” known under the pseudonym of Bozhena Rynska. Although she also described her like-minded person with a juicy, unflattering word "soplezhuy" (for losing in a fight). Hardly the solidarity of this scandalous celebrity will help Svanidze to become the leader of public opinion. Most likely, only hurt.

Svanidze categorically disagreed with the fact that he spat on the graves of the fallen - he had a father who fought with him. At the same time, his attempt to lay the blame for the beginning of the war on the Soviet Union - this is, in fact, the spitting of those who fought for this country. Every time the questions arise: what for then did they fight, for what state? And from here to justify Hitler’s aggression is one step.

Veterans of the Great Patriotic War, who preserved memories of her; children of war, many of whom have become orphans; the then juvenile prisoners of Nazi concentration camps ... Everything in their memory is too vivid. The great victory over fascism is one of the main victories of our Motherland for the entire time of its existence. So any attempts to revise its history are met by society very painfully.

And rightly so! Perhaps it was precisely the attitude towards that war and the Victory that did not allow 90's to finally defeat Yeltsinism’s ideology. When they were slandered by Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, when the young guards martyred the deceased when they claimed that the Sailors simply slipped on the ice, when even the pioneers and heroes of some liberal hacks were drenched in mud — the people reacted angrily. Nevertheless, part of the liberal propaganda turned out to be very effective, many people managed to moan, many to whom and what the attitude of society was changed - but not to the 1941-1945 years! Maybe because too many more living witnesses ...

Every year, as soon as 9 May approaches, almost all TV channels show old, Soviet war films - because they are watched, because they are loved, because they are really popular. On the other hand, during the years of “democracy”, quite a few films were created, the authors of which try to curse the role of the USSR, its Supreme Commander, and marshals during the war years. In general, viewers “vote with their feet” - they simply do not watch such film films. Finally, at least one of these films, crafts put a barrier to power. Liberals, of course, are talking about censorship.

Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for the Russian president, said about the fight:

“... In this context, I will tell you only one thing: and you criticize our ministry of culture for not issuing a rental certificate for the film about Stalin’s funeral” ...


This topic, he added, is too hot that “even such mastodons” cannot control themselves when discussing it.

Truly, even if experienced journalists, accustomed to verbal battles, could not restrain what to say about what kind of split questionable films bring to society!

Another veteran journalist, Vladimir Solovyov, is trying to blame the Komsomolskaya Pravda radio station host for the fight that took place: they did not lower the degree of aggression and did not separate it in time. However, firstly, even physically she could not separate them (for that is, the guards, who responded fairly quickly), and secondly, the fist fight also broke out on the show of Solovyov himself. It happened on the Sunday Night program in June 2015 of the year. Then the pro-scandalous political analyst Vyacheslav Kovtun received from the anti-Maidan, ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Vladimir Oleinik.

The same Kovtun after that became a “punching bag” several times. On the “Process” program of the Zvezda TV channel 26 of May 2016, the Ukrainian political analyst Yurii Kot was forced to hit Kovtun for a reply, which could be regarded as threatening. The theme of the program was educational programs in Russia and Ukraine. Yuri Kot said that his 17-year-old son lives in Kiev and his example shows that not all young people are lost, that the young guys from his son's entourage honor the memory of the heroes of World War II and do not accept nationalist ideology. In response, Kovtun said: they say, we ask what kind of son it is. Considering the situation in post-Maid Kiev, where since the time of the coup d'etat has been ruled by the right-wing nationalist groups, this statement really looked like a threat to a young man.

Another time, October 31 2016, Kovtun was not beaten in the telecast itself, but during the break, in the dressing room. It was the program "Time will tell" on Channel One. The fight did not get on the air. Later, presenter Artem Sheinin, who could not restrain himself, apologized to Kovtun. He explained that the fight broke out because of "paranoid delusions triumphant in Ukraine." As reported by the media, for each blow received, Kovtun received good material compensation - the work with a “punching bag” is highly paid.

Another sensational incident occurred on the TV channel Zvezda 22 November 2016 of the year. This time - with Polish journalist Tomas Maciejcuk. It was, again, about Ukraine - it was the three-year anniversary of the beginning of Euromaidan. Maceychuk spoke about the standard of living of Russians. Perhaps he was even right about something, but he gave it in an extremely offensive form - so that even a part of the truth (low standard of living) sank in the contempt of this Pole for the country in which he is and where he was given the right to speak. When presenter Roman Babayan responded to the statement “Russians live in r *** e”, Matseichuk ordered to leave the studio, he refused to do this until Ukrainian politician Igor Markov hit him. The program turned out to be ripped off, it never went on air. Only in the network was posted her record.

Ukraine and events after the so-called. Euromaidan is another painful, hot topic. One of the reasons is that the triumphant neo-Nazis desecrate the memory of the Great Victory won by the Soviet Union. Most of our fellow citizens are hurt by the news that another monument was demolished, that the Eternal Flame was poured with concrete, that a veteran was beaten, that a St. George ribbon was torn off a girl, etc. We again come to the conclusion - the memory of our shrine, the war and heroism of the Soviet soldiers cuts away from us this pseudo-democratic contagion called "Maidan". And the people not only do not sympathize, if someone “flies” in the face for blasphemous statements, but also approves.

But this raises another question. Is it possible to imagine that in the same Ukraine they will now allow anyone to seriously declare the unity of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples? Say a good word to Stalin? Call Bandera who he was - an accomplice of the Nazis? Questions rhetorical. We see concerts and performances being broken down just because they are in Russian or because the artists participating in them have visited Crimea. Or even under any similar pretexts.

So why on the air of the Russian media - whether it is Channel One, “Star”, “Komsomolskaya Pravda” - not only voices are heard in support of the obviously anti-Russian Maidan with a pronounced “brown” tint, but frankly the dirt flows to Russia The USSR, on the exploits of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War? Or do the management of the TV channels have fears that without scandals, without massacre, without such offensive statements, people will not watch the program? And that means income from television advertising may decrease.

Is it really necessary to admit that among TV viewers there is a demand for scandals with massacres? Correct, reasoned discussion already, sort of like, boring to watch? Not enough drive, "HYIP"? And, actually, it's hard to lead a normal political discussion in such showswhere all opponents are allowed to speak at once. As a result, the most noticeable is the one who has a louder voice and who is looser. On the program reigns such a din, that some people are not even heard. Moreover, not to hear any completed thoughts - you need not to say it, but to shout out your cue before you have time to interrupt.

Once in one of the programs an hourglass stood in front of each speaker, like in chess players. A discussion participant could speak, interrupt, take the floor out of turn, but after his time was up, he no longer had the right to vote. Perhaps this would be true - equal time for everyone on the air? We also need certain rules, taboos, prohibitions: you can not pour dirt on Russia, on the feats of ancestors, on the role of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War. Otherwise, the culture of these political shows will remain at the level of “House-2” - with scandals, insults and even massacre. And with knowingly blasphemous statements, for which their author will receive, firstly, by face, and secondly, monetary reward.
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  1. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 1 February 2018 06: 41
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    Is it really necessary to admit that among viewers there is a demand for scandals with massacre? Is a correct, reasoned discussion already boring to look like? Not enough drive, hype? And, in fact, it is difficult to conduct a normal political discussion in the framework of such shows, where all opponents are allowed to speak at once. As a result, the most noticeable is the one who has a louder voice and who is lower. Such a boom reigns on the transmission that individual people are not even heard. Moreover, if you don’t hear any finished thoughts, you need not to say, but shout out your remark before they can interrupt you.
    Unfortunately - the way it is! Federal channels have grown entire generations of people who can only haul!
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    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 1 February 2018 09: 00
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      One of the most odious liberals, Nikolai Svanidze, received a live broadcast. The one that for many years poured dirt on the leaders of the Soviet Union, and indeed in the Soviet period, the history of our country. - from article

      Well, at least one got a change for "for many years pouring dirt on the leaders of the Soviet Union, and indeed for the Soviet period in the history of our country," as well as for a direct attack on the patriot.
      As much harm as Svanidze did for our country cannot be counted. Nobody is going to judge them yet. So, even though the case presented itself here, I ran into it.
      1. The black
        The black 1 February 2018 10: 35
        +9
        For some reason, the host of the program shouted all calls to stop the fight only into the microphone. The result was a direct report. Ratings on top. This is the main thing. laughing.... And the fight even lies in the very name of the radio show, so the presenter theatrically, supposedly, indignantly, wailed into the microphone for several minutes.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 February 2018 15: 29
          +5
          Uh ... And would you like the presenter to climb apart?
          Seriously? For you, who is climbing apart, wife or mother?
          1. The black
            The black 1 February 2018 19: 32
            +4
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Uh ... And would you like the presenter to climb apart?
            Seriously? For you, who is climbing apart, wife or mother?

            Yes, I didn’t want anything .... and the presenter could simply cut down the microphone, firstly, and secondly, the same video was posted from the studio, and this someone is clearly an employee of the radio company. wink
        2. Assyrian
          Assyrian 1 February 2018 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: Black
          For some reason, the host of the program shouted all calls to stop the fight only into the microphone. The result was a direct report. Ratings on top. This is the main thing. laughing.... And the fight even lies in the very name of the radio show, so the presenter theatrically, supposedly, indignantly, wailed into the microphone for several minutes.

          Perhaps we will become the founders of a new sport. And in him we are strong. Here and meldonium is not needed laughing . And then curling, curling, boringly old man.
          I think now many expert talkers will filter the market. Sorry.
      2. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 1 February 2018 18: 56
        10
        The degree of hatred of liberals among normal people is already going wild, because those under the current government, with its consent and connivance, have become impudent from impunity and permissiveness.
        Thank God they began to beat them.
        I look forward to when we begin to hang and shoot them, and stick ice axes abroad.
        But, for starters, let's make the right choice in March.
        1. dauria
          dauria 1 February 2018 21: 10
          +2
          Thank God they began to beat them.


          Ugh, you .. Is that what this is about in the article? Yes, he begged for this scandal, television NEEDS these fights on camera. Otherwise, there is no sense in these scuffles for television people. This is a rating, this is a show, and therefore money for advertising ... For the sake of experiment, introduce fines to the TV channel for scuffle (any) on the air in the amount of five times overlapping income - and that's it, there will be no provocations, no fights. However, the show will not be.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 1 February 2018 22: 37
        +5
        Security could respond even more timely enough. 5 seconds later.

        Did you really want a positive result.

        There is no talk with such freaks.
    3. Kars
      Kars 1 February 2018 11: 10
      13
      To adopt the Polish experience and pass a law on punishment for denying the role of the USSR in WWII
    4. vlad66
      vlad66 1 February 2018 12: 13
      19
      Maxim did the right thing, these pigs have long been begging for and finally received. yes
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 1 February 2018 13: 36
        +7
        Quote: vlad66
        and finally got it.

        but it would be better if the real terms for slander and desecration of the memory of Soviet people in WWII
        1. yehat
          yehat 1 February 2018 14: 44
          +4
          what kind of mania is trying to solve all the problems by the deadlines?
          but didn’t think that so there are only more problems?
          the same Solzhenitsyn surfaced just because they were too used to solving in the USSR
          problems of dissenting article.
          are there no other methods at all in your empty head?
          You can make Svanidze’s motivation to do so disappear.
          But this requires at least one brain, which is now a rarity.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 February 2018 14: 46
            +5
            Quote: yehat
            are there no other methods at all in your empty head?

            Well, offer your useful head what to do with those who defile the memory of their ancestors, but I realized yours were sitting at home and it is not possible to defile their memory
            1. yehat
              yehat 1 February 2018 14: 59
              +2
              my grandfather was one of the survivors of the famous battles near Balaton
              so don’t have to carry a blizzard.
              just so you increase the amount of desecration, including my grandfather, and not reduce
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 1 February 2018 15: 08
                +1
                and after that, what are you talking about your grandfather, aren’t you ashamed that such bastards are pouring dirt on his memory, and will they have nothing but live broadcasts and a dope? "star in shock" as one odious person used to say
                1. yehat
                  yehat 1 February 2018 16: 11
                  +3
                  I have nothing to be ashamed of.
                  and his memory, this figure can only try to pour, no more
                  but if he starts to sit, become embittered, will be a martyr, etc., com problems
                  only increase. But in the end, we need him to be not interesting to those who do not remember the war, and not that he must suffer.
          2. Alf
            Alf 1 February 2018 21: 35
            0
            Quote: yehat
            what kind of mania is trying to solve all the problems by the deadlines?
            but didn’t think that so there are only more problems?

            What did Otto von Bismarck say about iron and blood?
            And the man, he was smart, the unifier of Germany.
          3. Polkanov
            Polkanov 4 February 2018 18: 53
            0
            ... will your brain solve all the problems? Learn Russian for a start ...
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 1 February 2018 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: vlad66
        Maxim did the right thing, these pigs have long been begging for and finally received. yes

        Received. How many lyamas? And in dollars, with our money? repeat
    5. andj61
      andj61 1 February 2018 12: 15
      +2
      Quote: sxfRipper
      Is it really necessary to admit that among viewers there is a demand for scandals with massacre? Is a correct, reasoned discussion already boring to look like? Not enough drive, hype? And, in fact, it is difficult to conduct a normal political discussion in the framework of such shows, where all opponents are allowed to speak at once. As a result, the most noticeable is the one who has a louder voice and who is lower. Such a boom reigns on the transmission that individual people are not even heard. Moreover, if you don’t hear any finished thoughts, you need not to say, but shout out your remark before they can interrupt you.
      Unfortunately - the way it is! Federal channels have grown entire generations of people who can only haul!

      The people, in their vast majority of percentages, are 95 or even more - they understand everything as it should. And all have long since spit on the “disinterested” defenders of the Euromaidan (it slipped that the same Kovtun had already acquired a couple of apartments in Moscow - so you can’t consider him a victim! bully ), and from our liberals, and from the American (alone!), Polish or Czech "independent" correspondents. And for some reason, there are very few new actors - the same from month to month, from year to year wandering around all the central channels and radio stations. But TV channels and radio stations simply need a scandal - this causes interest in the program, ratings are raised, and you can make more money on advertising. And our people receive a kind of vaccine from Western ideology. The only bad thing is that there is no ideology at all, and this is spelled out in the current Constitution.
      And the very fact of the physical assault on the air testifies to the Ukrainianization of our media and extremely negatively characterizes their participants. The same Shevchenko could well — his physical condition allowed it — to grab Svanidze’s hand, brought for a slap in the face, put him back in his armchair, “correct his glasses” (as comrades rightly pointed out), and say that these liberals, except for assault, There are NO other arguments! And Shevchenko would be absolutely right in this conflict!
      And so - I completely agree with his position on the fact of the discussion and can not accept his fist arguments ... request
      Although - deep down - I understand him. hi
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 February 2018 12: 57
        +6
        Quote: andj61
        The same Shevchenko could well — his physical condition allowed it — to grab Svanidze’s hand, brought for a slap in the face, put him back in his armchair, “correct his glasses” (as comrades rightly pointed out), and say that these liberals, except for assault, There are NO other arguments! And Shevchenko would be absolutely right in this conflict!
        Tell me too - even to intercept the entered hand, and then wring it behind the back, etc. lol After all, Shevchenko is not a professional melee, especially since the situation developed rapidly and on emotions. I am sure Maxim went to the studio to discuss with Svanidze, and not to fight! This is the last one, he behaved like a woman, like right now I'll take it and give it to you in the face! Well, hit, and if so, be ready to receive an answer. By the way, Shevchenko didn’t beat him with his fists, otherwise Svanidze wouldn’t have jumped up so easily! On the face, too, no damage was visible, rather, the balance just lost. As a result, it turned out, as in the old joke, "but what for us ?!"
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 1 February 2018 13: 27
        +8
        Quote: andj61
        The same Shevchenko could well - his physical condition allowed it quite well - to intercept Svanidze’s hand, brought for the slap, put him back in the armchair, "correct the glasses"

        Yes, everything is on the instinctive, subconscious!
        Here - Svanidze fell, and - instinctively began to close with his hands ... Used to that after "dropping" with his feet they finish? Apparently, it was so customary among the "liberals" ... did not expect, apparently, that Shevchenko would step aside, show nobility!
        ... Which, incidentally, Svanidze did not fail to take advantage of in the future!
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        It is impossible, it is impossible with them otherwise! and yet yes! It is necessary to "finish off"! Not live, of course! ...
        1. Alber
          Alber 1 February 2018 13: 45
          +4
          Quote: CONTROL
          Svanidze fell, and - instinctively began to close with his hands ... Used to that after "dropping" with his feet finish? Apparently, it was so customary among the "liberals" ... did not expect, apparently, that Shevchenko would step aside, show nobility!
          ... Which, incidentally, Svanidze did not fail to take advantage of in the future!
          -------------------------------------------------
          It is impossible, it is impossible with them otherwise! and yet yes! It is necessary to "finish off"! Not live, of course! ...

          Someone reminiscent of Svonidze! I remembered Y.M. Sverdlov in his youth ...
          1. jjj
            jjj 1 February 2018 13: 56
            0
            It was said that this character is a distant relative of Joseph Vissarionovich
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 1 February 2018 18: 45
              +4
              Quote: jjj
              It was said that this character is a distant relative of Joseph Vissarionovich

              "Do not read liberal newspapers before dinner." Stomach, well-being, head ...
            2. Alber
              Alber 7 February 2018 10: 29
              0
              Quote: jjj
              It was said that this character is a distant relative of Joseph Vissarionovich

              Stalin could not produce such a ch.m.
    6. ARES623
      ARES623 1 February 2018 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: sxfRipper
      Unfortunately - the way it is! Federal channels have grown entire generations of people who can only haul!

      Television is not able to grow something. What is watching "House-2" has grown itself with the help of a specific family and the world. But if during the Soviet era, creative intelligentsia was allowed on TV to “lead” to the goals set by the state, today, together with the leadership of TV, it is lagging behind the request of the average human mass, in every way appeasing it, only to tear money off from it for personal enrichment.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 February 2018 06: 46
    20
    At least one liberoid got in the face! angry
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 1 February 2018 09: 14
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      At least one liberoid got in the face! angry

      Correctly received, judging by the totality of all his activities.
      But in this shown case, it was Shevchenko who acted as a provocateur, starting to talk about "spitting the graves of Soviet soldiers near Moscow": the opponent did not say a word about this.
      1. The black
        The black 1 February 2018 10: 15
        +3
        At least one liberoid got in the face!
        ... He was just brought to feelings wassat .. After Shevchenko tore it off, Svinidze calmed down sharply, the desire to "give in the face" disappeared, the view on the USSR changed slightly laughing
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 1 February 2018 13: 38
          +4
          Quote: Black
          After Shevchenko tore it off, Svinidze calmed down sharply, the desire to "give in the face" was lost, his view of the USSR changed slightly

          maybe it was necessary to continue educational work?
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 February 2018 18: 52
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      At least one liberoid got in the face! angry

      So this, the next time he will bring the entire “Echo of Moscow” to the “duel”. They will also need to: ukontrapupet, turn over, stack, pack, mark ... my mother is my own. And all to one? Under the camera?
    3. Berkut
      Berkut 1 February 2018 20: 00
      +1
      Advice, do not get carried away with this. You can get hooked for several years. Or get the answer yourself. No, if you just like to watch from the side, when someone hits someone’s face, then it’s safe.
  3. Moore
    Moore 1 February 2018 06: 46
    +9
    Another experienced journalist, Vladimir Solovyov, is trying to blame the leading radio station Komsomolskaya Pravda for the fight that happened:

    But what, the one who plans a dispute under the provocative sign "Stalinism is a disease or not?" - He should not imagine the possible consequences?
    1. andj61
      andj61 1 February 2018 12: 30
      +3
      Quote: Moore
      Another experienced journalist, Vladimir Solovyov, is trying to blame the leading radio station Komsomolskaya Pravda for the fight that happened:

      But what, the one who plans a dispute under the provocative sign "Stalinism is a disease or not?" - He should not imagine the possible consequences?

      good The journalist is to blame - this is undeniable! There, during the conversation, even a direct question was about whether Stalinism is a form of the disease or not. Now we need to have another discussion - is liberalism a form of mental disorder or not! Judging by the behavior of Svanidze, it definitely is! wassat
      The journalist, as soon as Shevchenko began to provoke Svanidze, who had clearly lost his temper and had no arguments, was to immediately announce a commercial break and call on the actors to order. Moreover, strong guys literally next to them were available. But she showed unprofessionalism.
      And Solovyov’s position is much broader than simply blaming the leader for everything. He also mentioned the “temporary insanity” of Svanidze, whose position Solovyov deeply dislikes, and, to put it mildly, Shevchenko’s unmarried behavior, who knocked out a person who was clearly older than him and clearly in obviously worse physical shape. In this I agree with Solovyov. It is interesting that if someone in better physical shape acted as an opponent with Shevchenko, for example, Nikolai Valuev, would he also knock him out? what For some reason, it seems to me that in this case, the discussion did not reach the assault at all! hi
      1. jjj
        jjj 1 February 2018 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        It is interesting that if someone in better physical shape acted as an opponent with Shevchenko, for example, Nikolai Valuev, would he also knock him out?

        Nikolay Valuev is an adequate person, he doesn’t tell people all kinds of nasty things
        1. andj61
          andj61 1 February 2018 16: 45
          +1
          Quote: jjj
          Quote: andj61
          It is interesting that if someone in better physical shape acted as an opponent with Shevchenko, for example, Nikolai Valuev, would he also knock him out?

          Nikolay Valuev is an adequate person, he doesn’t tell people all kinds of nasty things

          You understand very well that the question is not at all about whether the person is adequate or not, but what are his physical conditions. Well, would it be Steven Seagal, Arnold Schwarzenegger, but the same Vladimir Klitschko - would Shevchenko beat him? Or is it possible and necessary to beat exclusively, albeit inadequate, but weak? hi
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 1 February 2018 18: 56
            +1
            Svanidze is not weak, he is .... dumb. (see the difference?) There is no truth behind him.
          2. jjj
            jjj 2 February 2018 11: 17
            +1
            Quote: andj61
            Well, would it be Steven Seagal, Arnold Schwarzenegger, but the same Vladimir Klitschko - would Shevchenko beat him? Or is it possible and necessary to beat exclusively, albeit inadequate, but weak?

            By asking such a question, you apply manipulation. And everyone perfectly understands this.
            1. andj61
              andj61 2 February 2018 12: 41
              0
              Quote: jjj
              Quote: andj61
              Well, would it be Steven Seagal, Arnold Schwarzenegger, but the same Vladimir Klitschko - would Shevchenko beat him? Or is it possible and necessary to beat exclusively, albeit inadequate, but weak?

              By asking such a question, you apply manipulation. And everyone perfectly understands this.

              If you understand this perfectly, then what ..... do you support Shevchenko in his scuffle? So, it’s clear to everyone that he couldn’t have beaten someone who himself can give a turnip?
              Then what is his "heroism"? Is it to publicly beat someone who is knowingly weaker?
              I was outraged that a bunch of people began to support him in unison - gave the liberal a turnip - well done! Well done against the sheep, but against the well done - well, then you know. hi
              1. megavolt823
                megavolt823 3 February 2018 11: 39
                +1
                this Liberal woman volunteered. Shevchenko only suggested and answered. But that is not the issue. WHY ARE THEY ALL AFRAID? Why are they so jarred by the figure of Stalin? I do not believe that a well-fed without a conscience (elite) is so tormented by the executed and imprisoned. In the 90 years, the mass prisons with their words were crowded. People slept in two shifts. In Kursk, in the center, a few meters from all administrations, prosecutors and others. From the dripping 2 of the corpse, the father and son of those killed in 90. All new cemeteries appeared in 90. Not one bastard does not write or talk about it. For all the tragedy from the 17 to the 53 month of March, we must clearly divide what Stalin did exactly. And what became the consequence and consequences before the revolution and after. Many actions were declarative actions, you can not disperse the car and stop abruptly. It was impossible to abruptly stop what was proclaimed different before Stalin. Fists and triples were the decision before Stalin really came to power. All the nonsense that was started by Lenin, Trotsky and others is attributed to Stalin. No, he was not holy and without a sinner. Urkagan is a raider, demon traitor and felon. But he ended his life as ruler. The ruler is not the one who got to the very top and for some time ruled the country. Ruler: this is the one who, from a bunch of peoples and bits of territories, creates the STATE. (see definition). After his death, which becomes a power. Who does not think about a bunch of relatives and mistresses. For which the state is the most important thing in life. Many say that Stalin hid and was afraid during the outbreak of war. We do not know what and how it was during the start of the war. But the fact that he refused to leave Moscow, believing that then they would not fiercely protect her. Like the fact that everyone, like rats, escaped. We know . Not having clear information about son Jacob. He refused to exchange Paulus for his son. I’m not changing a soldier for a field marshal. And after death, all his personal property could be put in 2 suitcases. And after the war, all his cursing wagons exported various junk from Germany. Many foolishly believe that tsarist Russia was an industrial monster. And komunyaki destroyed everything. But when you ask them why Nagan, Berdan, Maxim. Why the whole fleet was bought abroad. They have nothing to say. The entire industry of the USSR and 70% today, this is also Stalin. Even after his death, plants continued to appear according to his plan and plan, previously approved by him during his lifetime. All applied science, institutes and technical schools. This is he too. In every city there were no 5-7 institutes, 10-20 technical schools. Schools were read in one hand. the percentage of those who can write and count did not approach 80%. so here I am asking. WHY ARE THEY ALL AFRAID? hi
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 1 February 2018 13: 32
      +1
      Quote: Moore
      Another experienced journalist, Vladimir Solovyov, is trying to blame the leading radio station Komsomolskaya Pravda for the fight that happened:

      But what, the one who plans a dispute under the provocative sign "Stalinism is a disease or not?" - He should not imagine the possible consequences?

      Discussions about Stalin and the so-called. "Stalinism" - more than 60 years since the speech of Khrushchev at the XXth Congress! It’s time to get used to “without massacre" ...
  4. Cheburator
    Cheburator 1 February 2018 06: 57
    21
    You will not surprise us with a scuffle from the 90s
    The jesters entertain the public
    1. Alber
      Alber 1 February 2018 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Cheburator
      You will not surprise us with a scuffle from the 90s
      The jesters entertain the public


      The impression that everything was planned
      1. jjj
        jjj 1 February 2018 13: 59
        0
        Well, that’s very similar to that. Komsomolka has long turned yellow
  5. Knowing
    Knowing 1 February 2018 07: 16
    +3
    Or maybe knowing the ideological platforms of the opponents, it would be advisable not to allow the above-mentioned “face-to-face +” meeting (there is a ring, tatami, etc.), and not to gather viewers about the obvious scandal ... If you want to earn “likes”, get it .. And don’t whine. It is a pity that the studio was not smashed into the trash.
    1. esaul
      esaul 1 February 2018 07: 36
      10
      Quote: Knowing
      Or maybe knowing the ideological platforms of the opponents, it would be advisable not to allow the aforementioned “to face each other +” (there is a ring, tatami, etc.)

      Well, why ... The parties exchanged views on the agenda and, as a result of an emotional dispute, revealed the degree of disagreement and the line of conduct during future consultations. repeat
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 1 February 2018 08: 45
        0
        Quote: esaul
        The parties exchanged views on the agenda and, as a result of an emotional debate, revealed the degree of disagreement and the line of conduct in future consultations.

        However, that line of behavior from them, and in case of a dispute against the pan-legcoles, would be good for the face, i.e. on the face, and ... hi
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 February 2018 07: 54
    +4
    prohibitions: you can’t pour dirt on Russia, on the exploits of ancestors, on the role of the USSR in the years of World War II.
    Alas, this is government policy. Yes, there was a victory, but they still surrender the islands ...
  7. AGENT.51
    AGENT.51 1 February 2018 08: 07
    +8
    I well remember this liberal scum all over the USSR. Moral in ..... d failed to achieve in life at least something noticeable. And throwing mud on everything and everything is all that he can and everything that he can do.
    One thing is not clear to me. If everything is so bad in Russia, why do they (Svanidze and the like) all still live here, and do not wind up there, to the west, where everything is so sweet to their rotten natures.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 1 February 2018 09: 09
      +5
      Quote: AGENT.51
      One thing is not clear to me. If everything is so bad in Russia, why do they (Svanidze and the like) all still live here, and do not wind up there, to the west, where everything is so sweet to their rotten natures.

      Pelevin described this paradox, in Kotovsky’s monologue, from Chapaev and Void
      The intellectual, ”he said with a grim grimace,“ especially the Russian, who can only live on content, has one infamous half-child trait. ” He is never afraid to attack that which subconsciously seems to him righteous and legal. Like a child who is not very afraid to do evil to his parents, because he knows - they will not put them further than the corner. He fears other people more. The same with this vile class.
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 1 February 2018 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: AGENT.51
      I well remember this liberal scum all over the USSR. Moral in ..... d failed to achieve in life at least something noticeable

      Everything would be so ... but komunyaki profuca entire country, for which I hate them fiercely. But the liberals made Russia what it is now-a world power ... which, mind you, after the commune was in ruins. It is liberalism that has made and is making a market economy. And our leading ministers are not Stalinists .. and the Communist Party rating is 5-10% .. And the olinarchs are the same .. as if they were not Nashi, urapatriots and Stalinists .. all are quite liberals .. But poverty basically remembers komunyak and Stalin. ..as a drunk, it’s surely a Stalinist or for the USSR)) And since I agree with you, there are enemies around and there is no clearance !!!
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 1 February 2018 18: 10
        0
        Understand the question +
  8. HAM
    HAM 1 February 2018 08: 36
    +6
    What turned the domestic television-SHADOW!
    NTV-purely YELLOW channel, the 1st channel of gossip and intrigue, RUSSIA1-there too ...
    It is necessary to disperse all Ernst and IC.
    OTHERWISE WE WILL FINALLY LOSE YOUNG GENERATION !!
    It’s a pity that real men don’t beat Sobchak type faces. She has already spoken at least for a concussion.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 1 February 2018 12: 38
      0
      Quote: HAM
      It is necessary to disperse all Ernst and IC.
      OTHERWISE WE WILL FINALLY LOSE YOUNG GENERATION !!

      Looks like you or trollity, or one of two ..))
      1) Ernst and KO have bosses ... so for a second.
      2) young people do not watch telly, especially the political show at all. They watch Dude, Hach and other bloggers (I watch them myself). A TV set is for zombodowns, what is there to watch ??)) If only comedies are humorous shows and sports. And that’s all!
    2. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 1 February 2018 12: 56
      +2
      For Us: Do you really dream that the Jewish owners of the yellow press / Ernst and Shapiro-Soloviev / take care of the "young generation?"
    3. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 1 February 2018 22: 49
      +2
      I completely agree, people who consider themselves reputable journalists are conducting dialogues with schizophrenic quackers about politics, and after all they are paying him a salary, with the same success patients from the madhouse would have invited and talked about philosophy, and the rest of the mass in the studio will sit and clap after each word at the direction - solid parsley
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 2 February 2018 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        I completely agree, people who consider themselves reputable journalists are conducting dialogues with schizophrenic quackers about politics, and after all they are paying him a salary, with the same success patients from the madhouse would have invited and talked about philosophy, and the rest of the mass in the studio will sit and clap after each word at the direction - solid parsley

        You at the ROOT are mistaken. This show ... that is, the plot and script were invented. DOM2 at the political level. And these schizophrenics earn more than you (I doubt that you have a salary of more than 300 tr, you would not be sitting here)
  9. Victor_B
    Victor_B 1 February 2018 08: 38
    +3
    Not much received.
    I didn’t even put a finger on this vile erysipelas.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 1 February 2018 18: 42
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      Not much received.
      I didn’t even put a finger on this vile erysipelas.

      Put ... It’s just that they don’t advertise it and quickly put ice .. hehe Maxim's blow knocked him on the spot, he had to kick it ... Straight his fists clenched imagining it all !!!!
      Ah yes well done Shevchenko (he did not first start, note) good
  10. Ravik
    Ravik 1 February 2018 08: 42
    +6
    Svanidze had to clean the snout before entering the studio ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 1 February 2018 23: 10
      0
      Quote: Ravik
      Svanidze had to clean the snout before entering the studio ...

      No way! Violation of the freedom of speech!
  11. Dashing
    Dashing 1 February 2018 08: 43
    10
    To the author - respect for an emotional professional article. I read with excitement, took for the soul. I agree completely with the author. But Shevchenko, a lucky one: fulfilled the dream of millions, gave a liberal rat a dirty hare that poisoned the not-so-clean air of the information space with his foul breath. Enviously, listen!
  12. Berkut
    Berkut 1 February 2018 09: 07
    +2
    Before yelling joyfully, the Liberoid got the job, I recommend finding a dialogue on the Web that has become the subject of conflict. He is not cautiously presented in the article (or did I miss?). Maybe not everything is so simple, if you think about it?
    1. elenagromova
      1 February 2018 09: 37
      0
      There is video with dialogue
    2. Colonel
      Colonel 1 February 2018 12: 20
      11
      Quote: Golden Eagle
      if you think about it?

      I looked at the entire recording of the program, if you think about it, he got a LITTLE.
      1. Berkut
        Berkut 1 February 2018 20: 03
        0
        What are your arguments? If we omit the holiness of the name of Stalin for the entire Soviet people?
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 2 February 2018 07: 41
          +3
          Quote: Golden Eagle
          What are your arguments?

          Just like Schwarzenegger's. My arguments are as follows: the body deliberately craps on our history, distorting facts and figures and does it publicly. Conclusion - Pendel is worthy of more than one.
  13. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 1 February 2018 09: 13
    +1
    Another veteran journalist, Vladimir Solovyov, is trying to blame the Komsomolskaya Pravda radio station host for the fight that took place: they did not lower the degree of aggression and did not separate it in time. However, firstly, even physically she could not separate them (for that is, the guards, who responded fairly quickly), and secondly, the fist fight also broke out on the show of Solovyov himself. It happened on the Sunday Night program in June 2015 of the year. Then the pro-scandalous political analyst Vyacheslav Kovtun received from the anti-Maidan, ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Vladimir Oleinik.

    Well, here Soloviev is right, the leader was supposed to extinguish the conflict, still in the bud, change the subject, declare a pause, etc. As there in the "Zhmurki" Balabnovsky Mikhalych said - "Well, if you see that the situation is heating up, well, move the arrow to another day!" ©. And the fact that Solovyov also had a puncture, well, this does not exclude the possibility that the leader should not allow unplanned fights.
  14. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 1 February 2018 09: 43
    +3
    Here on our site, quiet and smooth, sometimes I would like to .... yes, the monitor is a pity. You’ll say in your hearts a couple of affectionate ones - in the “bathhouse”, and then with a clean and uncomplicated smiling calmness you read and polemize .... Until the next “wash” .... Or change of attendances and passwords ..... And again the eternal battle, rest only in our dreams... angry smile
  15. svp67
    svp67 1 February 2018 09: 49
    +7
    Scuffle live
    Of course, this is “not our method”, but here I am FULLY on Shevchenko’s side, he didn’t start rudeness and he didn’t make the FIRST assault and then acted like a man, didn’t “express“ deep concern ”, but immediately and forever put an end to " The main thing WITHOUT EXTRAORDINARY, everything to the MOST MEASURE. Alas, the good, even most likely the good, should be with the Fists.
    I have more complaints about the MASTER of the program, which was completely unable to keep the situation
    1. Assyrian
      Assyrian 1 February 2018 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      I have more complaints about the MASTER of the program, which was completely unable to keep the situation

      And I understand her (I didn’t rush to collect bets from those who were behind the scenes, she can now try as a commentator in fights without rules), I also like amateur boxing. Everything immediately fell into place. The provocateur received as much as requested. There is such a category of people who asks for a long time, when he gets immediately becomes a man (but not forever. Until the next slap in the face).
  16. captain
    captain 1 February 2018 09: 53
    +4
    "The battle didn’t last long,
    Timid Georgians fled. "They say that Lermontov wrote.
    1. Sergey Horuzhik
      Sergey Horuzhik 1 February 2018 18: 22
      +2
      editorial edit: the old Georgians lay ...
  17. iouris
    iouris 1 February 2018 11: 18
    +2
    There was no scuffle, as such. Both participants do not have the necessary skills, so Svanidze was practically not injured, but had every right to suffer.
  18. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 1 February 2018 11: 55
    0
    By the way, both “intellectuals” are members of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights. Interestingly, their GDP will be banned or only paternally scolded (onyzhekakakdety).
  19. Antares
    Antares 1 February 2018 12: 05
    +1
    current show laws — the more ratings — the better
    Windows program only on all channels
    politics, the roles of Ukrainians, liberals, Russians, Georgians and others ... generously paid
    Theater and paid actors
    we and you completely lack a culture of communication and argument.
    I agree with Elena regarding the regulation of time - this should be in the contract as well as behavior! He started a fight and tore the broadcast - he didn’t get any money in court either. It’s bad that these are ratings.
    Ukraine on all Russian television channels completely zombified the Russians. It is impossible even for a Russian woman to go from Ukraine to the Russian Federation and not to hear about how bad it is. The TV is merciless.
    Prosrav Ukraine with giblets, create a model of "victory" on the TV. Or images of the enemy, unnecessary, dangerous.
  20. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 1 February 2018 12: 12
    +3
    The terry anti-Soviet Svanidze still did not understand anything. Now, if he got a concussion ... But this was not. Sorry.
    1. Berkut
      Berkut 1 February 2018 20: 04
      0
      How can one be an anti-Soviet when there are no Soviets anymore?
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 1 February 2018 22: 03
        0
        There is no longer a tsar in Russia than there are Soviets, nevertheless there are monarchists. Poklonskaya for example.
  21. Petr1968
    Petr1968 1 February 2018 12: 41
    +1
    Looked ... Shevchenko cool pereobulsya..Now he is a Stalinist-awesome communist))) ahahaha))))
  22. Alex_59
    Alex_59 1 February 2018 13: 01
    +1
    Without feeling sympathy for both, it must be admitted that Svanidze is not right on all points in this skirmish. Provocations are a concussion, and he struck first. Shevchenko intentionally or not made a beautiful pause, waited for the blow and inflicted a series in response. Do not reproach - Shevchenko defended himself, Svanidze attacked. At the same time, Shevchenko did not cause the attacker any serious damage, so the limits of defense were not exceeded. I think any court will side with Shevchenko.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 2 February 2018 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: Alex_59
      I think any court will side with Shevchenko.

      What court .. two men argued .. There is a rule, it’s better not to talk about politics and religion .. the conflict will be sure .. It’s better on the forum ... although I want to crack some ..)))
      And such programs are SPECIALLY designed for this, people experience antipathy to each other, they are brought together on a hot topic ... PPC.
      1. yehat
        yehat 5 February 2018 12: 33
        0
        I do not feel any sympathy for Svanidze, but I want to stop at Shevchenko
        He deliberately provoked the opponent - try to hit, hit, etc., he intentionally very aggressively led the polemic, which was also a provocation.
        Of course, we like the position that Shevchenko defended, but the way he led the dialogue
        not normal. About "he did not start a fight." Look carefully at how he mocked 1-2 minutes before the incident and what is the likelihood that ANY opponent can not stand it and begins assault.
        In general, I am not enthusiastic about the outcome at all. Svanidze is certainly a demagogue, but such methods are no better.
  23. Des10
    Des10 1 February 2018 13: 15
    +1
    "His opponent Maxim Shevchenko in this clash looked like a complete winner. Firstly, he did not start a fight. Even Svanidze descended to direct personal insults. Secondly, Shevchenko managed to give a very worthy rebuff to a man who went from scolding to a fight. " laughing
    Author, hey, ay! smile
    In the video, they mutually offended each other: "you spit on the graves of (Shvetsov) -bast (Svanidze) -the finished demagogue (Shvetsov)" --- started and finished --- Shvetsov, huh?
    They immediately decided: ~ "WOULD YOU HAVE given you closer in the face (St.) - so STAND and GIVE ... STAND and GIVE! (Sh.) And here he commanded that laughing Shevchenko himself twice (!).
    And standing hands at the seams received - SLAP - from a PENSIONER, and even 11 years older wassat ! And, IMMEDIATELY, with MULTIPLE blows, he dumped the puny bespectacled man on the floor.
    This is --- Elena Gromova - in your opinion --- FIGHT?
    For me, this is - unfortunately - Svanidze looks more than a man - said \ did = received.
    But Shevchenko - unfortunately --- as a stronger one and who calculated everything --- not a hero.
    All this without political preferences.
    1. captain
      captain 1 February 2018 16: 57
      0
      Quote: Des10
      "His opponent Maxim Shevchenko in this clash looked like a complete winner. Firstly, he did not start a fight. Even Svanidze descended to direct personal insults. Secondly, Shevchenko managed to give a very worthy rebuff to a man who went from scolding to a fight. " laughing
      Author, hey, ay! smile
      In the video, they mutually offended each other: "you spit on the graves of (Shvetsov) -bast (Svanidze) -the finished demagogue (Shvetsov)" --- started and finished --- Shvetsov, huh?
      They immediately decided: ~ "WOULD YOU HAVE given you closer in the face (St.) - so STAND and GIVE ... STAND and GIVE! (Sh.) And here he commanded that laughing Shevchenko himself twice (!).
      And standing hands at the seams received - SLAP - from a PENSIONER, and even 11 years older wassat ! And, IMMEDIATELY, with MULTIPLE blows, he dumped the puny bespectacled man on the floor.
      This is --- Elena Gromova - in your opinion --- FIGHT?
      For me, this is - unfortunately - Svanidze looks more than a man - said \ did = received.
      But Shevchenko - unfortunately --- as a stronger one and who calculated everything --- not a hero.
      All this without political preferences.

      With all my bad attitude towards Lenin, he is right in calling the intelligentsia a good Russian word: "ha ... but."
      1. Sergey Horuzhik
        Sergey Horuzhik 1 February 2018 18: 20
        +1
        Hit the whites until they turn red, beat the red ones until they turn white, beat the blue ones until they turn green.
      2. Petr1968
        Petr1968 2 February 2018 11: 30
        0
        Quote: captain
        For all my unkind attitude towards Lenin, he is right in calling the intelligentsia a good Russian word: "ha ... but"

        If the intelligentsia is “ha ... but”, then the proletariat is a herd of sheep. and the Stalinists are satinists of pure water)
  24. Altona
    Altona 1 February 2018 13: 24
    +3


    I also always say- WHY SOW THE HOSPITAL ATMOSPHERE? TIME TO GO TO VIOLENCE! laughing laughing laughing
    1. mihey
      mihey 1 February 2018 14: 36
      +2
      good laughing In, I also think that there is no need to chat - do it!
  25. kaschey
    kaschey 1 February 2018 14: 36
    +7
    Maxim well done, taught the jelly.
    In general, in Russia, as in the USSR’s right-receiving country, in order to avoid such situations, it is necessary to impose punishment for attempts to challenge the role of both the leadership and the people of the USSR in the victory over fascism.
    And then every ha - y-but, hiding behind some “facts known to him alone” will try to redraw the story.
  26. skazochnik
    skazochnik 1 February 2018 15: 12
    +3
    Excellent Maxim, it was necessary to add another toothache.
  27. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 1 February 2018 16: 30
    +5
    This Svanidze, the tongue would tear ...
    What a tambourine ogreb already good! good
  28. Sergey Horuzhik
    Sergey Horuzhik 1 February 2018 18: 19
    0
    Hit the whites until they turn red, beat the red ones until they turn white, beat the blue ones until they turn green.
  29. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 February 2018 18: 36
    +1
    Maxim well done, otbutskal Svan, from the heart .. angry good Let the next time the rotten tongue holds your teeth!
  30. Santa Claus
    Santa Claus 1 February 2018 18: 39
    +1
    finally it happened! grabbed his tongue.
  31. Olezhek
    Olezhek 1 February 2018 20: 05
    +1
    But, gentlemen, we have not Ukraine... stop
  32. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 1 February 2018 21: 37
    -1
    I read the article, read the comments and ... I was visited by one thought. KP radio station, there was an embarrassment, but ... why ffse is to drain it on the air ???, who needs it ???
    I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!
  33. whinny
    whinny 2 February 2018 00: 17
    +1
    they got the same muzzles barking at these talk shows, wandering from channel to channel, and receiving money from my taxes. I bl. they were not ordered on a television screen.
  34. Petr1968
    Petr1968 2 February 2018 13: 35
    0
    When Nikolai Svanidze said that “by the fault of Stalin, by the end of 1941, we had 3,8 million people in captivity,” Shevchenko replied: “Nikolai Karlovich spits today on the graves of those killed near Moscow.” To the cry of the insulted Svanidze that his father had fought, Shevchenko calmly answered calmly: "And you spit on the graves of Soviet soldiers." Svanidze responded to the insult with a slap in the face, and Shevchenko, a much younger, larger and physically strong one, inflicted several full-fledged punches on the elderly opponent.
    1. elenagromova
      2 February 2018 17: 53
      0
      So after all really - spat. He accused the head of the country that there were a lot of prisoners (what was the fault?) And "did not notice" that they had just defended Moscow.
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  36. Osya Bender
    Osya Bender 3 February 2018 22: 28
    +1
    February 3rd. Svanidze’s film about Stalingrad is on Russia 24 channel. This bastard skillfully juggles the facts, said that the Red Army surrendered Voronezh. Let him come to this heroic city, where the battle was comparable to Stalingrad, and tell this to the inhabitants. I think what Shevchenko did to him will be "gentle" touches of his false, unscrupulous and liberal physiognomy.
  37. Polkanov
    Polkanov 4 February 2018 18: 56
    0
    Quote: Petr1968
    When Nikolai Svanidze said that “by the fault of Stalin, by the end of 1941, we had 3,8 million people in captivity,” Shevchenko replied: “Nikolai Karlovich spits today on the graves of those killed near Moscow.” To the cry of the insulted Svanidze that his father had fought, Shevchenko calmly answered calmly: "And you spit on the graves of Soviet soldiers." Svanidze responded to the insult with a slap in the face, and Shevchenko, a much younger, larger and physically strong one, inflicted several full-fledged punches on the elderly opponent.

    .
  38. Patriot7
    Patriot7 14 February 2018 19: 59
    +1
    He gave little, I had to add more with my feet.