"Lvovnash", or How Poland is preparing for the division of Ukraine

Finally, Kiev waited for the Polish knife in the back. Now Bandera officially - the enemies of Poland. That is the decision made by the Polish Parliament. This was another unfriendly step towards the official Kiev, and a step that went far.

Nothing personal, just Lviv, according to Warsaw, is a Polish city, and no one has ever canceled the task of its return to Poland.

Warsaw took very seriously the issue of political war with the Bandera Ukraine. And if at the same time remember all the latest events and scandals in the Polish-Ukrainian relations, then I would have seriously thought about the future in the place of Kiev ...

Thought about this. While Kiev has been izglyatsya in Russophobia for four years, Warsaw has practically completed preparations for the return of its Ukrainian oriental cress. "Ukrainian Oriental cress" - this is Western Ukraine, Galicia and Volyn.

Poland officially abandoned these territories as a result of the Second World War, when the Soviet Union and the Western “allies” simply dictated the results of their Yalta accords to it. She then was clearly not able to argue with "elders".

The collapse of the USSR for Poland was the moment when it was possible to recall the lost territories again and start preparing the ground for their return.

In the dashing 90, Poland was not as attractive as it is now, but after the country had dealt with its internal problems, it turned its gaze to the east and began to launch one loyalty program for another in Western Ukraine.

In Warsaw, they recalled the descendants of former Polish citizens (and this is a large part of the inhabitants of Galicia and Volyn), and not only Polish nationalities. Her economy needed working hands and the best solution to this problem was labor migration from Ukraine. People gradually got used to go to Poland. At first it was tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands ...

This solved several important tasks at once. In addition to helping the economy of the metropolis, the inhabitants of the border areas, Volhynia and Galicia, had to get used to the Polish way of life and become almost their own for Poland. And it worked.

In many villages of Galicia and Volyn, a paradoxical situation has long been formed: a large part of the working-age population almost constantly worked in Poland, and only old people and children remained at home on the farm.

This led to the emergence in Galicia of a whole generation that grew up without their parents.

Gradually, the inhabitants of Galicia began to perceive Poland as its own, like Ukraine.

And yet Poland has been washing its brains and soul out of Ukraine for many years. Do you know how many Ukrainians each year go to study at Polish universities for free? More than 20 thousand people.

This is almost 10 times more than the number of Ukrainians studying in Russia under similar programs of Rossotrudnichestvo.

Do you know why this happened? Since the end of 90, the Polish government has been sponsoring tourist youth exchanges between the two countries, and many schoolchildren in Western Ukraine by the time they graduated from school already manage to drive around the whole of Poland and admire the convenience and perspectives that open up in this country.

One would like to say to officials from Rossotrudnichestvo: here is an example for you to follow.

Moreover, this situation did not arise yesterday, but before the coup, and therefore it makes no sense to associate all this with current events. These are all the results of a systematically executed program of returning the lands it lost before Poland.

As we can see, the Poles today are almost ready to begin the process of returning to Lviv.

Comments

[Vard]

Of course it is ... They all that the Soviet Union gave them the NAC recognized as illegal .. And now the requirements of Poland are fully justified ...

[dSK]

Quote: Vard

requirements of Poland.

The whole of Ukraine in the first place not neededshe is bigger the former Yugoslavia doubled and it’s being prepared the same scenario.

[birs]

Here are just Poland, if it takes up all the eastern lands that it laid its eyes on, it will also become 1,5-2 times larger than Yugoslavia and will also automatically become unnecessary to the States

[captain]

The author apparently forgot that western Belarus also belonged to Poland on the 1 of September 1939 and they also remember about them. But there is a nuance, as the Jews say. The fact is that Galicia has never been part of the Russian Empire. According to the third division of Poland, in 1795 it became part of Austria. And in 1945 it came to us, according to the Yalta agreements. And now in Ukraine they rule the ball. And to be honest, we even have more rights to Warsaw than to Galicia.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Author: Yuri Podolyaka (Yurasumy)

Since the end of 90, the Polish government has been sponsoring tourist youth exchanges between the two countries, and many schoolchildren in Western Ukraine by the time they graduated from school have had time to go round the whole of Poland and admire the convenience and perspectives that are opening up to them in this country.
One would like to say to officials from Rossotrudnichestvo: here is an example for you to follow.

One would like to ask: author, have you just come from the moon? Don't you know that in Ukraine there is a hateful, bandera-fascist junta regime now? For this in Ukraine, the smallest punishment is the "corridor of shame."
The ministry of the junta is knocking at the SBU (the teacher went to Russia with the students): https://inforeactor.ru/95699-kak-nakazhut-kievsku
yu-uchitelnicu-organizovavshuyu-poezdku-ukrainski
h-shkolnikov-v-rossiyu
Fired 15 teachers who went to a conference in Russia: antifashist.com/item/ukrainskih-prepodavatelej-vy
gnali-s-worky-za-poezdku-v-krym.html

[Yurasumy]

I'm not from the moon. I am very familiar with the topic. Do you know how all this worked BEFORE 2014?

[V. Salama]

Quote: yurasumy

... Do you know how all this worked BEFORE 2014?

So now the conditions are not the same, it seems that the time has been greatly missed, and will there be enough of what worked well until 2014 to deploy and slow down the process. We now do not understand at all whether there is political will, decisions, resources in this regard. It seems that there is nothing of this and no one needs it. So what can be discussed? Accept and help the inevitable come to pass, and then think about how to live with it in the new conditions? It seems that you have to adhere to the party’s policy - to wait until it resolves itself.

[Dr_engie]

Juntas? The junta is more likely in the Russian Federation than in Ukraine.
Do you even know what it is? This is when power is in the hands of a certain circle of officers. KGB officers fit?
And in Ukraine at the same time I do not see the power of the military, or the SBU.

[velpro]

there the power of the Bandera fascist junta, and even Amersot curators are standing above them, the Pshek understood it

[antivirus]

4pp need from Outskirts:
1 Sevastopol - is
2 control of the Danube Delta-- when?
3 Carpathian passes -?
4. way from the Varangians to the Greeks --- ????
we again faced with several players as in 1918-21
The sanitary cordon then broke through for 20 years to 39 g

[Olezhek]

And now in Ukraine they rule the ball.

Not exactly:
1 on the "zapadentsev" relied on in the West, and not "they themselves" - that is, they are commonplace
2 and other Ukrainians are not very fond of Russ.

There would be no zapadentsev-the State Department would have all got out of it.
Ukrainians are not friends or brothers, sorry.

[Vikxnumx]

Yes, we have more rights to all of Poland! But there were other agreements of the 70s.
Only they already put a vegetable! And we pressed the Crimea on the same grounds. I myself predicted such a decision in the Crimea after the partition of Yugoslavia. A precedent, the West itself threw us!

[trump]

Poland is already larger than the former Yugoslavia both in terms of area and population, but I'm not sure about the states
while in the US 10 -11. mln. Polish minority and anti-Russian trends in US politics

[dSK]

Eastern Europe needs the US as TVD.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: birs

That's just Poland, if he takes all the eastern lands into his hands

Omna them in sneakers. Not for that, our grandfathers shed their blood, so that the lousy Zhidobanderaites would distribute our land to some strange geeks!
What’s going on in the Kremlin?

[Vend]

Quote: Vard

Of course it is ... They all that the Soviet Union gave them the NAC recognized as illegal .. And now the requirements of Poland are fully justified ...

Everything went to this, Ukraine will not be released from the conflict with Russia. The section is a matter of time.

One would like to say to officials from Rossotrudnichestvo: here is an example for you to follow.

No thanks. There are enough Ukrainian labor migrants in Russia, and we still need to increase the number of students. And Ukrainians receive a “wonderful” welcome from the Poles. For Ukrainians, Polish addiction will end as before - assimilation.

[trump]

I think that some part of Ukraine will remain independent from Poland and Russia and will be pro-German or pro American - Ukraine is too big a country and popular nationalism is strong

[Orionvit]

Quote: Wend

Everything went to this, Ukraine will not be released from the conflict with Russia. Section a matter of time

The fact of the matter is that Poland is allowed, will not allow Russia. If Poland regains western Ukraine, then in the west they will look at it favorably. If Russia regains the native Russian lands, including the south and south-west of present-day Ukraine, can you imagine what kind of hysteria will be in the west? In the case of Poland, they will call it “historical justice,” in the case of Russia, “blatant aggression.” For the first time or something. Yes, and do not care.

[Vikxnumx]

Well, if the Russian Federation agrees with Germany ... Yes, only who will allow Germany to do this!

[Vend]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Wend

Everything went to this, Ukraine will not be released from the conflict with Russia. Section a matter of time

The fact of the matter is that Poland is allowed, will not allow Russia. If Poland regains western Ukraine, then in the west they will look at it favorably. If Russia regains the native Russian lands, including the south and south-west of present-day Ukraine, can you imagine what kind of hysteria will be in the west? In the case of Poland, they will call it “historical justice,” in the case of Russia, “blatant aggression.” For the first time or something. Yes, and do not care.

It's about the money. Russia will be given a large chunk, and Russia will pay the debt from those lands that were once Ukraine. But Poland will not pay the debt, but regardless of its desire, the Poles will receive all the dirt that will flow to Western lands from fear of retribution .. And Poland will receive an unstable region.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Orionvit

The fact of the matter is that Poland is allowed, will not allow Russia.

Will Russia ask permission?

[Evdokim]

Quote: Vard

And now the requirements of Poland are quite justified ...

If they (Poles) do with Lviv, the war in Europe
will happen, very solid.

[dSK]

Quote: Evdokim

with Lviv they will do it

A simple "self-determination" followed by a vote is the first candidate for the "Hungarian" Carpathian region of Ukraine.

[Evdokim]

Quote from dsk

A simple "self-determination" followed by a vote is the first candidate for the "Hungarian" Carpathian region of Ukraine.

I don’t know what about the vote, but the screech in Kiev about the "Hungarian" Carpathian region will be more than
allowed by the sanitary epidemiological station, and there is also a run-in army in / in Ukraine. So a madhouse or a khokhlyat circus (as you like) will turn into a big fight.

[Antares]

Quote from dsk

the first candidate is the "Hungarian" Carpathian region of Ukraine.

Population: 1,259 million (2016) of which 160 thousand ethnic Hungarians are citizens of Ukraine. It is not easy to hold a referendum if there is a pro-Ukrainian mood. Although it is important who considers it ...

[Herman 4223]

The Poles will wait when Ukraine mates with Russia, and come to the aid of the local population, and then a referendum and return to their native hut.

[siberalt]

The Poles would need to start a section that was independent at the same time as the Hungarians. The Poles already have a similar experience.

[TRex]

"Poland - the Hyena of Europe" (W. Churchill). Who would doubt ... How is it with Ilf and Petrov? "... I wouldn’t put a finger in his mouth."

[Overlock]

One would like to say to officials from Rossotrudnichestvo: here is an example for you to follow.
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It is useless to say something to people who have one dominant - to fill their pockets. Then we are surprised- Ukraine overslept! Not overslept, but prosrali!
Now cheeks inflate, depict greatness. In fact, the process is almost irreversible. Who will reverse? An army of corrupt officials and an elite praying to the West?

[Mestny]

An adult looking at these pictures and posts with the same meaning in the text has only one question - how old are you?

[Overlock]

a lot, and you? Lived a lot, I have to think. Your ostrich position is not attractive.
Are there any objections to the fact that children, real estate of the Russian elite abroad? Any objection to the possibility of a nuclear strike on Europe in the event of war? Or just blah blah?

[Mestny]

Well, many times ... then we'll talk
There are objections.
He said it once, said two, expressed his opinion - we all understood, people are adults.
No need to shake one table at all angles.

Well, as for the nuclear attack on Europe, I will express an opinion that this option is the most disadvantageous for us. Because the main customer of such an outcome of the situation will remain overseas. I think it would be necessary to clearly and clearly state at the highest level of leadership that ANY military aggression against Russia will unambiguously cause a global nuclear strike. Wherever and by whoever attacks.
It will not be able to stop the fighters for the values ​​of Western civilization, but it will make it slow down. and look for other ways, that is, give us time.
... And you want to help - throw off the regime.
As for the children, I will say this - we have a free capitalist country. At the moment this is so - whoever invents something in his own head.
And in accordance with this, you teach your children where you think is necessary, and where you can.
It was for this country that you and I smiled in 1991, looking at the TV screen, condemning - finally, democracy, now we will live.
Having removed their head, they don’t cry through their hair. My generation, with all its best education in the world, is to blame for the fact that the USSR did not become, but Russia became.
Oh, what it is.
And again, break everything? No guys, that's enough. Let me live at least like that.

[Overlock]

Quote: Mestny

..And you want to help - throw off the mode

here is Yuriev’s day! Where is even a word about it? Or theft, corruption, gouging is the foundation of our state? Then for sure Khan.
And then, they won’t say “regime” about a normal state. Your word. So you understand. what is the MODE. Where is our regime? You know. It turns out that you agree with me, you’re only afraid that corruption is shifted from the place. theft, nepotism will wash away the state and you

[Mestny]

Can’t you wash it off? Do you think you will swim out?
Of course, I had to take the mode in quotation marks, I missed it.
The regime is generally the current government in this case. in any country, for example in the USA.
And as for the “regime”, I’ll say so - not only theft, gouging and corruption. And there is also a normal one.
You only have it - theft, gouging and corruption.
Well, as adults. to tell the truth, people who have lived in the world - it doesn’t happen that everything is bad. And this time not so.
So why then only for a bad buzz? Maybe in fairness it is worth recognizing the other side?

[Overlock]

Quote: Mestny

Can’t you wash it off? Do you think you will swim out?

it will be washed away, and whoever comes up, who is not, is for all the will of God.
You can only swim out together, and when you have 1 trillion rubles stolen from the budget (Golikovy report), then the chances to swim out are reduced. "You can’t get far in the carriage of the past" K. Prudkov.
And judging by the mood of the authorities, they want to go further in the carriage of the past

[demo]

Oddly enough, but the adult, looking at the pictures, there are certain conclusions.
1. We must clearly understand - where is the friend and ally, and where is the enemy and traitor.
2. We must understand that no one will save us other than ourselves.
3. We are ballast, by definition.
4. Our strength is only in unity.
5. We can, if we want, turn the tide.

I will decrypt the last.
Even if we accept, a priori, what is depicted in the picture as the truth, then there is no single solution.
For!
Both the houses, the mother-in-law with the father-in-law, and the wife with children can be moved to a safe place.
If necessary.
This has already happened in history more than once, and not two.
So, you don’t have to plan to live out in all this “old age”. Do not even hope.
Many more will be required by people with both hands and head.
Task number 1.
Ensure minimal chip formation during logging.
But other?
You might think.
But the first thing is important.

[V. Salama]

Quote: Mestny

........
And again, break everything? No guys, that's enough. Let me live at least like that.

God willing, we will survive. Well, and if he doesn’t, then just - we will survive. That certainly is inevitable. I don’t want to get into your argument (although I would argue about the “free capitalist country”), I just liked this phrase. I have heard her since the late 80s. There were options: "if only there was no war", ".... troubles, revolutions, the limit has been exhausted on them ... the country will no longer withstand it." Strange, right? It seems like nothing boded yet. In the 90s, it was already a choral performance of the liberal dog. This phrase revolted me. Now nothing, philosophically, as inevitable. There is even a thought - if we could carve it in granite on a huge block and roll it out to Red Square, there and leave it as a fiery greeting from us to future generations. Well, we definitely won’t leave resources for them, back in the mid-90s there was infa that hydrocarbon production in the Russian Federation far exceeds the USSR’s plans for their production until 2030. And if it goes on as it is now (this is for those who are in the know), then soon all the rest of ours will also not be ours. And when all this is over (we will live i.e.), then even aliens will not find, looking at this stone, where Russia was. Yes, so that for Russians there was a problem to break (... not to build). This is of course all a joke, albeit a sad one. Moreover, no one is breaking, no one is calling. But everyone is scared. What to do? This is a moral problem, everyone decides for himself, and will answer himself. And who really is tormented by conscience that "in1991 smiling," he certainly should decide everything for himself, I think so.

[Overlock]

Berry on the cake:
Ministry of Energy transferred its duties to foreigners


An audit of the Accounts Chamber showed that the Ministry of Energy, as well as the Ministry of Industry and Trade, outsourced some of their responsibilities.

The ministries entrusted their work to various companies, some of which turned out to be foreign.

In general, from the beginning of 2015 to the middle of 2017, the government spent 8 billion rubles on the transfer of its powers. Most of all, the Ministry of Energy and the Ministry of Industry and Trade did this - having spent 2 and 2,9 billion rubles on it, respectively.

"The participation of foreign organizations in the legal regulation and the development of strategic documents in the fuel and energy complex cannot be considered as meeting the national interests of the Russian Federation," the Accounts Chamber believes.
Do you think these officials are stupid or interested?

[Mestny]

What's the difference?
The Accounts Chamber reacted as it should.
What's wrong?
And this is a topic about relations between Poland and Ukraine.
So you can leave your cakes with cherries in a circle for another topic, about Russia.
Well, at least.

[Overlock]

Quote: Mestny

And this is a topic about relations between Poland and Ukraine.

He started a conversation. And this cherry is about that. that we have already been sold and sold all in bulk. The state structure is not concerned about the national interests of the country, they are selling them. I am sure that this is only one such ministry?

[Mestny]

Are you sure that if the information is correct, you need to lime all this to the root, and start over?
Well, how is a man who lived in the world?

[Overlock]

The question arises: why does the ministry give state secrets abroad and where do the organs look? A legitimate question

[Morozyaka]

Here! Already sold to the state secret! And so on the rise. Sorry, but this is somehow not solid. The fact that they gave the development of documents for outsourcing is bad. What was given to foreign companies is even worse. However, what kind of documents did they give? Maybe a foreign company was given a draft of some documents to search for inconsistencies on key points in the target sales markets abroad, or compliance with WTO or certification standards for European or US markets. but it’s not interesting for you to find out - shout “Zrada!”, oh, excuse me “betrayal! The Ministry of Industry and Trade has sold the state a secret!” without even understanding the essence of the issue. Doesn't it remind anyone? In our country, a lot is not so, but immediately react to every suspicious fact - you can get into neurology. Let us take care of ourselves and try to think positively, or at least be critical of such news.

[Overlock]

What to invent? everything is already defined
"The participation of foreign organizations in the legal regulation and the development of strategic documents in the fuel and energy complex cannot be considered as consistent with the national interests of the Russian Federation", - they say in the Accounts Chamber.

[velpro]

not tired tebe pushing go already wake up for the echo of Moscow from you in bulk

[Orionvit]

Quote: Overlock

In fact, the process is almost irreversible. Who will reverse?

So your panacea is, "Grudinin." Heal right away in paradise. Ah forgot, trouble. And he has billions beyond the hill.

[Overlock]

Quote: Orionvit

So your panacea is, "Grudinin."

and your Putin? Will he save everyone? Grudinin, Pushkin, Kassil - on the drum, there should be a different voice, not a 20-year-old monologue

[Orionvit]

Quote: Overlock

there must be a different voice, not a 20 year old monologue

Which are all literate, give a monologue. Can still sing falsetto? And what, Ksenia can. You climbed in there in Russia, from here, from Ukraine, everything looks somewhat different in a different light.

[Overlock]

Quote: Orionvit

And what, Ksenia can.

except this horse from the Kremlin stable you see no one? What happened in Ukraine, I know why they were at home, didn’t help Berkut? Now clever

[Orionvit]

Quote: Overlock

Now clever

Take to the street, in any city of Ukraine, and be smart. This is not for you to sit in the forum. Or do you still think street protests are deciding something? Then I sincerely feel sorry for you, choose the one who promises you more nishtyaks, and you will be "happy." Only then do not complain. And about the "turnover" and the rest of the liberal-democratic nonsense, then really, people like you need to be taken to Ukraine on an "excursion", so that you can see what this "breadth" of thought leads to as a respect.

[Overlock]

Quote: Orionvit

such as you, you need to carry "excursions" to Ukraine

I know Ukraine, myself from the Crimea. Only the brain must be included there and there.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Overlock

An army of corrupt officials and an elite praying to the West?

So you don’t even realize the fact that the decision to launch a nuclear strike will be taken by completely different people?

Quote: Mestny

how old are you?

Quote: Overlock

lot

I DO NOT BELIEVE

[Overlock]

I believe - I do not believe, take a camomile. I’ll stop sleeping, I’ll start to get nervous. I don’t believe you for a minute, so what?

[KaPToC]

Quote: Overlock

I don’t believe you for a minute, so what?

And then, I do not impose anything on anyone, are you trying to convince others of your lies, Fershtein?

[Dzmicer]

Poland is preparing, but the Russian Federation is not. Skoda It would be good for Poland to emerge Kresa with the Europeans, Russia - everything else.
Russians and Poles have nothing to share. In addition to the Ukrainian SSR and BSSR.

[Victor jnnjdfy]

Craces Sunrise. In Polish, the combination of "ie" reads like our "e". It's funny that there are so many specialists in Poland, but no one can spell the name correctly. You are better than others in owning the matter. And to the author, for a start, it would be nice to know what "karta polaka" is.

[novel66]

and the Poles have an army at the ready. so that the claim was something to confirm

[siberalt]

The Ukrainian channel "Newsan" has already considered the question - why there is not a single friendly state along the perimeter of Ukraine. Managed to quarrel with everyone.

[novel66]

the eternal question: "and what for something?"

[bandabas]

And there was a wonderful film "Three Poles, Georgians and a Dog."

[Nemesis]

What Bandera fought for, and ran into it. You have no friends, not in the east or in the west ..

[Kent0001]

They count on overseas.

[Nemesis]

In vain. The United States will not trade Poland and Hungary for Ukraine and Lithuania. The USA surrendered half of Greek Cyprus to Turkey, surrendered to Poland and Vilnius with Lviv ...

[BAI]

All is correct. The one who will conquer the minds of youth now will rule the state in the future.

[Glory1974]

These are all the results of a systematically carried out program for the return to Poland of the lands that it had previously lost.

Who sets a goal, he achieves it sooner or later.
What goals our government sets is not clear.

[RUSS]

Once Stalin and Hitler torn Poland, now the Poles want to return their lands, history repeats itself, only now Ukraine can be divided between Poland and Russia

[cyberspace]

Quote: RUSS

only now can Ukraine be divided between Poland and Russia

Maybe Poland is better between Russia and Germany?

[CT-55_11-9009]

No problem! At first

Quote: RUSS

Ukraine can be divided between Poland and Russia

Then already

Quote: siber

Poland between Russia and Germany

[andj61]

just Lviv, according to Warsaw, is a Polish city, and the task of returning it to Poland has never been canceled.

Well, then Stettin, Breslau, Danzig, Stolp, Grünberg, Lignitz, etc., are German cities, and the task of their return to Germany has never been canceled.

[Overlock]

Poland will rest on this issue, call America for help. Although in this case, the Germans will be right. If this happens, then they will definitely forget about Crimea, at least in the press. Or maybe not.

[trump]

On the contrary, Crimea will serve as an example

[trump]

The listed cities are not German, those. were not founded by the Germans. Actually Leipzig, Berlin, Rostock, Dresden, Brandenburg, etc. etc. - also

[andj61]

Quote: trump

The listed cities are not German, those. were not founded by the Germans. Actually Leipzig, Berlin, Rostock, Dresden, Brandenburg, etc. etc. - also

But these cities have never been Polish either. And those Slavic peoples who founded them were conquered by the Germans and became part of the German nation .. And the Poles themselves, who lived in the territory that was left to Germany during the partition of Poland, the Germans successfully assimilated in less than a century and a half. And these descendants of the Poles, as well as the descendants of the other, namely the indigenous Slavic peoples living there - Kashugs, encourages, Wends, etc. - were expelled in 1945-46 together with the Germans from the land of their ancestors by the same Poles. And populated by Poles from the "Kresny sunrise", and among these Poles there were many Galicians.

[trump]

Judging by the uprisings after 1918 in Silesia and Prussia, you are not in the know. And I do not claim that Berlin, Rostock, etc. - Polish - it just shows that these cities are not German in origin and name and, moreover, not German cities that are further to the east - the German domination in Gdansk is the result of German emigration from Poland after gaining independence in 1918 and the Baltic Germans emigrating to Gdansk after 1918, and in the Middle Ages, Poles in Gdansk 40-50% of the population - the rest are not necessarily 100% Germans, plus the city itself developed precisely in the days when Poland belonged - it easy to identify by architectural styles, and Danzig is distorted Gdansk and not vice versa
Well, well, why show ignorance - check, at least on Wikipedia, where the Kashubians live and the territory of Luzhichans in Poland is very small in area, respectively, and the expulsion of the population was small

[andj61]

Quote: trump

Judging by the uprisings after 1918 in Silesia and Prussia, you are not in the know

The uprisings were purely for economic reasons, which the Polish emissaries took advantage of. Then remember about the plebiscite of 1921 and its results - and this is with the difficult economic situation in Germany and the prevalence of the Slavs in these lands, but the people decided to stay in Germany. And what do you not remember the purely German uprisings - in Berlin, Bavaria, Kiel, etc.? They happened at the same time. Because it does not overlap with the national question that you raised?

Quote: trump

the German domination in Gdansk is the result of German emigration from Poland after it gained independence in 1918 and the Baltic Germans emigrated to Gdansk also after 1918, and in the Middle Ages Poles in Gdansk 40-50% of the population - the rest are not necessarily 100% Germans plus the city itself developed precisely in the days of Poland’s belonging - it’s easy to determine by architectural styles, and Danzig is distorted Gdansk and not vice versa

The documents of Danzig’s self-governing bodies from the Middle Ages have been preserved. Tell me in WHAT language are they composed? Danzig was predominantly a German city in the Middle Ages. Like Riga, for example. But this does not mean that the entire population was Germans. All the service was from the local population, both in Riga and in Danzig. 50% of the population is just a servant.
And as for the names of cities - as you yourself have already noted, that almost all the names of old cities east of the Oder are of Slavic origin.

Quote: trump

Well, well, why show ignorance - check, at least on Wikipedia, where the Kashubians live and the territory of Luzhichans in Poland is very small in area, respectively, and the expulsion of the population was small

The territory of modern Slavic residence in Poland does not say anything at all. Especially if we take into account the urgent desire of the Poles to polarize, or at least record all peoples in the Poles. living in their territory. It is simply amazing that someone else there considers himself not a Pole!
I will not point out to you your ignorance - we will assume that you know EVERYTHING, but prefer to hush up some points that are inconvenient for you. I only note that your conclusions that your opponent is ignorant of something, based on a dozen lines of a post in which it is simply impossible to reflect the truth in all the nuances and in all its diversity, are too premature and go beyond the rules of proper behavior.

[trump]

I will answer some of your comments, as there is no time
1) Your statement about the economic nature of the uprising in Silesia

incorrectly, see the corresponding article on the wiki - for beginners it is enough - about the three-time uprisings of Silesians of the Poles.
So what ? As a result of the "economic" uprising, did part of Silesia join Poland? - Anecdote

2) About Gdansk — in the city they can speak any language, for example, in Ukraine and Belarus there were cities and towns where Jews, the main population, did not speak either Ukrainian and Belarusian, nor Russian and Polish — only in their Yiddish and what are these cities Jewish?

After the foundation of St. Petersburg in Russia, the common people did not consider it a Russian city, since there were extremely many foreigners living there - what shall we consider this city to be non-Russian?
The architecture of Gdansk shows that the city developed at a time when the city belonged to Poland, since it was in the Polish state that it was endowed with numerous trade privileges, which contributed to its prosperity, by the way, after the city left for Prussia, there was little that was built by the Germans, a large station was built and a railway was laid to Prussia, which led to the settlement of the city by the Germans, by the way, after the defeat of the Teutonic Order, the citizens of Gdansk themselves asked to be part of Poland, and not the German kingdoms and principalities of Prussia, can also conditionally be considered a German state with a German minority in its population

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Quote: Mestny

Mestny Today, 16:59 PM ↑

Oooh? Anything to say or blah blah? How old are you?

[Mestny]

I'm at work, apparently unlike you.
I especially have no time to engage in empty balabolism, only on business.
Cool off, don’t.
Do you think that from the feeder you will fall with the new government?
What if not? Will you then write that you were deceived? Once again.

[Overlock]

I eat myself, I don’t consume handouts. Full cost accounting

[Mestny]

Then what is the problem?
Well, do we, aged people know what is most important in the world? Family, children - right?

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Quote: Mestny

Well, do we, aged people know what is most important in the world? Family, children - right?

quite right

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Quote: Mestny

I'm at work, apparently unlike you.

day off tomorrow

[velpro]

rushing into you

[fa2998]

Quote: andj61

just Lviv, according to Warsaw, is a Polish city, and the task of returning it to Poland has never been canceled.

Well, then Stettin, Breslau, Danzig, Stolp, Grünberg, Lignitz, etc., are German cities, and the task of their return to Germany has never been canceled.

Is Koenigsberg weak for the Germans?
The Poles, blinded by Russophobia, flirted with Kiev for a long time, and Bandera’s people mostly destroyed the Poles. For them, Bandera’s power in Kiev should be the first enemy. I think the question of returning lands to Ukraine will seriously rise sharply towards Russia. And I think the authorities there will be different. And they will forget about Crimea.

[zzdimk]

When will the slide to nuclear disaster finally end? Why does the Deity linger in retribution? And anyway - when will these Poles stop brainwashing us ?! After all, life is already so short ... (c) Erofeev.

[Romin]

Could help Poland with this desire, because it will be a great start ... for something new;)

[alavrin]

They won’t go for a direct capture, but jealousy is obvious. Someone encroached on their role as "beloved wife" in Eastern Europe. And who? Ukrainians, despicable bydlo, who were not allowed into Lviv without boots ....

[Leksandrych]

"....knife in the back..."
In my opinion this is not a knife and not in the back, but much lower.

[nickgv]

There are no guarantees for a non-violent attitude towards the Russian-speaking and Russian population of these territories. Summary: do not give.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: nickgv

There are no guarantees for a non-violent attitude towards the Russian-speaking and Russian population of these territories. Summary: do not give.

Will they ask us? I think we need to use the shock that our “brothers” will experience from the treachery of their neighbor-defenders. The wave of indignation, which inevitably arose from the insidiousness of the Psheks, can be directed to induce and organize referenda for the autonomy of Kharkov, Odessa, ...... regions.

[klm-57]

Why is there no thumbs down sign (I don’t like it)?

[Vkd dvk]

The Poles are not in vain supporting Ukraine’s entry into the EU (without Bandera, of course). There, in their own way, on the rights of an older brother, they will present more than 700 thousand documents on the right of ownership in Ukraine, on the rights of restitution.

[Terenin]

The Lithuanians who have an ephemeral army should be especially tense. Already someone in Lithuania did not forget how, in 1920, Polish troops under the command of General Zhelikhovsky - allegedly without consent and even against the will of Warsaw - captured the historical Lithuanian capital Vilnius. The Poles quickly organized a “plebiscite” there by appropriate methods, in which the population of the city, which had turned into Vilna, called for joining Poland.

The West, having cut both Lithuania and Poland out of the Russian Empire, which had been betrayed during the First World War and destroyed by its proteges, took the side of Poland in this situation. It was for him a more important country than the “tiny” Lithuania, which had to wait, waging the exhausting border war with Poland all this time, 1939, in order to get Vilnius back from the USSR after the old Poland was gone.

I would like to hope that Lithuania, Ukraine, and other countries that do not want to become part of the new Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and go under the Poles, who will soon become very impoverished, but will maintain and even strengthen their well-known national weaknesses, will appreciate the need to have good relations with Russia in this situation. The Germans will not save them. The current Polish army is stronger than the German.
Latyshev Sergey (Tsargrad)

[Olezhek]

Since the end of 90, the Polish government has been sponsoring tourist youth exchanges between the two countries, and many schoolchildren in Western Ukraine by the time they graduated from school have had time to go round the whole of Poland and admire the convenience and perspectives that are opening up to them in this country.
One would like to say to officials from Rossotrudnichestvo: here is an example for you to follow.

Poland needs Ukraine and never Ukrainians, except as slaves

[Kot_Kuzya]

It's time to tear this 404 into pieces. Can not wait

[den3080]

Everything is ready for the return of Lviv ... (c)
What is ready? I honestly did not understand.
Well, let's agree - it's ready.
Name the method.
Self-determination (referendum)?
Or just a few Polish divisions will cross the western border of Ukraine?
Something else?

[Olezhek]

Well, let's agree - it's ready.

But the Poles toko our consent and waited ...
In the Polish - Bandera conflict - are you personally on whose side?

[Vadik2018]

so what about us? is everything ready for us to wring out the southern belt, that is, the whole Odessa Nikolaev region, to the Transnistria? we cut off Europe from the Black Sea; we will squeeze out NATO from Ukraine; we will reach ours in Moldova; we will chop off all the shipyards; nobody needs them there anyway .... and Ukraine .... back to the Zaporizhzhya section
... well, Kharkov Khar'kov, too, under the wing of Russia on to return

[Antares]

Quote: Vadik2018

everything is ready for us to squeeze out the southern belt, that is, the whole Odessa Nikolaev region, to the Transnistria

of course ... judging by the article then
"More than 20 thousand children from Ukraine (non-labor migrants) study for exchange, Russian cards are issued, construction of Russian cultural centers is underway, the Russian Federation violently blocks all Ukraine's initiatives in the EU, because of the law on education, advocating for the interests of the Russian language, it gives out minimal loans ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and much more. "

Missed nothing? Little Hungary deserves more respect for its uncompromising protection of only 160 thousand foreign citizens only due to ethnic origin.

[Lebedev]

I consider it necessary to analyze and adopt as an example of ideological warfare

[Alex Wer]

Wait and see. But these plans are unlikely to come true.

[Sergey Gorn]

The author is utter nonsense. Poland cannot prepare at the state level for the return of the so-called Oriental Kresi, which includes the territories of not only Ukraine, but Belarus and Lithuania. If she demands the return of Galicia and Volhynia, they will tell her - but do not want to return Pomerania? In general, no one will allow such a redistribution in Europe, and there is no need to develop and promote the most base nationalistic appetites of marginalized people, both in Poland and Ukraine.

[Olezhek]

Poland cannot at the state level prepare for the return of the so-called eastern kresov, which includes the territory not only of Ukraine, but of Belarus and Lithuania

https://topwar.ru/118442-kuda-privodyat-mechty-sh
odni-cresy.html
something like this ...

[iouris]

This is not a section of Ukraine. The enemy is digesting the USSR. He would not digest immediately, so he takes it in parts.

[Geronimo73]

the employees of Rossotrudnichestvo do not need role models - in the coffin they saw all these programs - they sit and eat state money, attach relatives and relatives to their work, and that’s all the cooperation .....