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Bloomberg announces second liquefied gas tanker for US

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The second tanker - Provalys - with liquefied natural gas (LNG) from Russia is preparing to be shipped to the US, to its destination, it should arrive around February 15, reports RIA News Post by Bloomberg.




Provalys will take gas from the French Dunkirk, which was previously delivered from Russia, and go with it to New England (northeastern United States), which is in need of gas due to insufficient supply of shale fuel from other parts of the United States during the peak demand season.

For the past three years, the United States has received LNG from Trinidad and Tobago. However, too cold winter in the north-east of the country forced to purchase additional volumes of gas. The seller was the French energy giant Engie. Fuel was produced at the Yamal LNG project.

The first tanker with Russian liquefied gas - Gaselys - is currently in line at the entrance to the Boston port. The ship was supposed to arrive in the USA on January 20, however, the day before it suddenly turned around and headed for the Spanish port of Algeciras. These "maneuvers were temporary and were associated with weather conditions," explained later in the company Engie.

On Wednesday, Energy Minister Alexander Novak, commenting on the supply of Russian gas to the United States, noted that he “does not have euphoria or special feelings that gas will be delivered to Boston,” since the gas molecules are Russian, “but the gas is no longer Russian.”
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  1. Anarchist
    Anarchist 28 January 2018 10: 05 New
    35
    Freeze, freeze the wolf tail! God marks the assault ... Here you are, grandmother, and sanctions. Everyone is trying to eat a fish, but no, on a tanker with liquefied gas Ride!
    1. 264
      264 28 January 2018 10: 09 New
      +6
      Do not rejoice at the misfortunes of others, Bratishk ... Do not comme il faut ...
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 28 January 2018 10: 13 New
        26
        Buddy hi , I am not happy ... Unless I am only ironic. It is they who rejoice at each of our failures. Which, by the way, they create for us!
        1. The black
          The black 28 January 2018 10: 56 New
          25
          Russia to the lamp, who will buy our gas, the money received. The main thing is that the gas company in Yamal is running smoothly. Three icebreaking gas carriers are being built right away and solid contracts with Asian countries have been signed for this business, but for now only a test of the pen.
          I won’t be surprised if this gas is now sold to Poland and Lithuania, that they are trying to give up cheap gas from Russia with foam at their mouths and have managed to build terminals for Amer’s liquefied gas wassat
          1. AnpeL
            AnpeL 28 January 2018 11: 24 New
            +7
            Will such a vessel reach
            - Provalys -
            What do you call a boat so it will float)
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 28 January 2018 12: 23 New
              +3
              - Provalys -

              Quote: AnpeL
              What do you call a boat so it will float)

              Failure, this is for the USA ... But tankers need to be called sanctions.
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 28 January 2018 12: 38 New
                +2
                We will be happy when our tankers deliver our product to the final customer.

                I suspect that intermediaries and shipowners also earn a lot

                Why not make money yourself
                1. Separ DNR
                  Separ DNR 28 January 2018 12: 40 New
                  +5
                  Quote: bulvas
                  We will be happy when our tankers deliver our product to the final customer.

                  I suspect that intermediaries and shipowners also earn a lot

                  Why not make money yourself


                  To the point yes But for this you need to build tankers ...
                  1. bulvas
                    bulvas 28 January 2018 18: 38 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Separ DNR
                    But for this you need to build tankers ...


                    It seems to be starting soon
              2. kapitan92
                kapitan92 29 January 2018 14: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Separ DNR
                Failure, this is for the USA ..

                And what is the failure? Novatek did not and does not have direct contracts for the supply of LNG to the States. From Yamal, gas goes to Europe, in this particular case, France. In the spot market, it can be purchased by any buyer, in this case, the United States, and England in front of the mattresses. Gas from Yamal can be overloaded, “mixed” with the local one, placed in storage facilities and with an increase in prices, which happened to be sold.
                Normal business! We, when selling, received our own, our carrier, our French. hi
                The shareholders structure of Yamal LNG Open Joint Stock Company as of 01.01.2017:

                NOVATEK (50,1%)
                Total (20%)
                China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) (20%)
                Silk Road Fund (9,9%).
          2. maxim947
            maxim947 28 January 2018 11: 26 New
            +5
            Well, why the lamp? The more buyers there are, the better, what can be said to be there. And the example of the purchase of gas by Merikos is a very indicative response to the proposals of the United States to fill Europe with gas, and here it turns out they themselves are not enough. By the way, yes, in terms of the sale of this gas to Psheks and the like, it is very likely))
          3. Lesorub
            Lesorub 28 January 2018 11: 54 New
            +5
            Unprincipled state, States tighten sanctions,
            We give them gas (interesting for money or as usual)! ))))
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 28 January 2018 12: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Lesorub
              Unprincipled state, States tighten sanctions,
              We give them gas (interesting for money or as usual)! ))))


              And you look from the other side:

              - they are sanctions to us, and we are money with them

              why such an exchange is bad
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 28 January 2018 13: 11 New
                +2
                Yes, you are right in the United States gas, maybe even for the money - which is great !! - I’m happy for the next moneybags!)))))
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 28 January 2018 18: 39 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Lesorub
                  Yes, you are right in the United States gas, maybe even for the money - which is great !! - I’m happy for the next moneybags!)))))


                  So, the thicker the moneybags, the more people get his salary and the more taxes he pays to the budget
                  1. Separ DNR
                    Separ DNR 28 January 2018 18: 43 New
                    +3
                    Quote: bulvas
                    the thicker the fat bag - the more people he gets paid and the more taxes he pays to the budget

                    Taxes, this is such a thing ... You can hide yes
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 28 January 2018 20: 24 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Separ DNR
                      Taxes, this is such a thing ... You can hide


                      Would you rather get a piece of the Arctic for personal use,
                      so that no one would hide anything and the moneybags would not become even thicker?
                      1. Separ DNR
                        Separ DNR 28 January 2018 20: 29 New
                        +2
                        Quote: bulvas
                        Would you rather get a piece of the Arctic for personal use,
                        so that no one would hide anything and the moneybags would not become even thicker?

                        My preferences, at the moment, come down to the return of the occupied territories of Donbass.
                        We will talk about my claims to a part of the Arctic after the victory soldier
                  2. Lesorub
                    Lesorub 28 January 2018 21: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: bulvas
                    So, the thicker the moneybags, the more people get his salary and the more taxes he pays to the budget

                    Weak foreign policy (not the ability to more clearly see your face on the world stage, and unprincipledness) - I think there is no need to give examples, losses in the foreign economy - compensate for the population of this country)), but when it was written in the constitution that the bowels belong to the people, (so to speak), for the moneybags - salaries and taxes - dust - compared to its net profit.
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 29 January 2018 15: 56 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Lesorub
                      Weak foreign policy (not the ability to less clearly show your face on the world stage, and unprincipled)


                      Do you understand foreign policy well?
                      Do you know all the true goals of the players, do you have information?
                      Maybe you have a research center, analysts, agents, specialists in different regions of the world?

                      And therefore, are you ready to judge this as a specialist?
                      Or, after all, as a layman, like most of us?

                      Just grumble to show that you are a layman, but you have your opinion on this issue (as well as on all others)

                      Last few questions:
                      - What is the weakness of our foreign policy?
                      - what is unprincipled?
                      - Is there still someone on Earth who does not recognize our face?

                      Just imagine, the US is pushing Europe against SP-2, and they themselves are buying gas from Russia

                      What do you think, what conclusions will be drawn in Europe, in Lithuania, in Poland?
                      1. Lesorub
                        Lesorub 29 January 2018 19: 31 New
                        +3
                        I don’t have a secret - in the World I respect the strong (strong economically, armed, with a clear foreign and domestic policy, with complementary economic and social projects), I think you understand what the United States would do if Turkey shot down their plane - the Turks would talk about it spared three generations ahead, We have the same business interests of several people with the above-dignity)), with such a policy, Poland and Lithuania will soon push, For the oppression of Russians in the Baltic states and "other" countries, I generally keep quiet! Compare (who defends their interests and how) - let the truth be revealed))))
          4. Orionvit
            Orionvit 28 January 2018 12: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Black
            I won’t be surprised if this gas is now sold to Poland and Lithuania.

            Ha. But what about the promises of the "exceptional," to flood Europe with American shale gas? There is a “reverse” in Ukrainian when Russian gas is bought in Slovakia, and now there will be a reverse in Polish when Russian gas will be bought in the states themselves. But that’s cool, I’m really bastard. laughing
          5. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 28 January 2018 14: 20 New
            +2
            Gas was Russian while it was in the bowels. Then it was extracted by Gazprom (a company in our territory, but pursuing its narrow interests), after which it became the property of the shareholders of this company, living not only in the Russian Federation. Some part was received by the citizens of the Russian Federation who carried out the extraction and transportation, part came in the form of taxes. And how this part is spent, the conversation is separate. But what does the rest of Russia have to do with it, is the question very interesting? The very same statistical 90% of the population?
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 28 January 2018 18: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: Evgeniy667b
              But what does the rest of Russia have to do with it, is the question very interesting? The very same statistical 90% of the population?


              In order not to ask such questions and reassure yourself,
              you need to study the economy a little, at least at the most popular level
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 29 January 2018 12: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: Evgeniy667b
              Gas was Russian while it was in the bowels. Then it was extracted by Gazprom (a company in our territory, but pursuing its narrow interests), after which it became the property of the shareholders of this company, living not only in the Russian Federation.

              Yes, if “Gazprom”, otherwise Novatek Michelson
            3. max702
              max702 29 January 2018 13: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Evgeniy667b
              The very same statistical 90% of the population?

              Only 40-50 thousand builders work in Sobet, plus those who service and procure the whole thing, and all with very big salaries that they spend in cities and towns of Russia .. But people all over the country live and work for this money .. And if it weren’t for this gas project, instead of this money there would be ZERO ... And who cares if this project exists and works?
          6. Petr1968
            Petr1968 29 January 2018 13: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Black
            Russia to the lamp, who will buy our gas, the money received. The main thing is that the gas company in Yamal is running smoothly.

            This is the essence of the liberals. No honor, no conscience. ready mother to sell for money.
      2. Giant thought
        Giant thought 28 January 2018 10: 16 New
        +4
        To paraphrase a famous proverb - cold is not an aunt. Freezing Americans are happy with any gas, even from where, and delivering our gas to America for Engie is just a business, and nothing personal.
      3. vlad66
        vlad66 28 January 2018 10: 39 New
        11
        Quote: 264
        Do not rejoice at the misfortunes of others, Bratishk ... Do not comme il faut ...

        You can say exactly the same thing with mattresses, the worse for us, there it is happier for them.
        1. 264
          264 28 January 2018 10: 43 New
          +5
          Do not be like them, Vlad, and you will be happy ... Remain a Man ... hi
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 28 January 2018 11: 19 New
            19
            Quote: 264
            Do not be like them, Vlad, and you will be happy ... Remain a Man ... hi

            In general, it’s violet to them somehow, but I don’t like when strangers come to a strange house and start to teach democracy to everyone, this is a disaster, and the fact that they got -15 turned off and they froze is Lesha’s joke wink We are now waiting for such a winter, you believe not, for the whole winter this year it did not fall below 10 degrees, and all winter went to Siberia and you.
            Our children over there are dreaming that -30 would hit, that would not go to school, but run to the street. laughing
            1. 264
              264 28 January 2018 11: 34 New
              +3
              Samara river. Winter. 2018.7526 with us ... hi
            2. woron333444
              woron333444 28 January 2018 12: 00 New
              +9
              vlad66 I remember those times. It was like this with us until 1973. As they walked, jumping over wires and climbing home like in a hole. And 73-74 snow became less. Only the winds are stronger. And they did not go to school only when it was more than -40.
      4. figwam
        figwam 28 January 2018 10: 53 New
        +9
        Quote: 264
        Do not rejoice at the misfortunes of others, Bratishk ... Do not comme il faut ...

        Immediately you are not a Russian person. So that you know, winter is not a disaster, it is such a time of year.
        1. 264
          264 28 January 2018 10: 56 New
          +1
          No, of course, where are we ... laughing You made me a day, thank you most humbly, gentleman. laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
          1. figwam
            figwam 28 January 2018 11: 02 New
            +4
            laughing And I laugh as the Yankees impose sanctions against my country and European companies that develop and produce gas, and then buy the same gas, despite the shale revolution. Clowns. laughing
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 28 January 2018 11: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: figvam
              And I laugh as the Yankees impose sanctions against my country

              Quote: figvam
              and then they buy the same gas

              laughing wassat fool it’s business, not politics, so sometimes you’d better not to post stupidity. It’s normal that they buy gas, since it costs them less than you, in our rich Russia .... and now you will laugh?
              1. woron333444
                woron333444 28 January 2018 12: 04 New
                +5
                I don’t know about you, but we have a house of 140sq.m heating + stove + hot water boiler costs 1600r per month. This is during severe frosts, and when -20, then 1300-1200. This is Altai. I find it cheap.
                1. Burbon
                  Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: woron333444
                  I don’t know about you, but we have a house of 140sq.m heating + stove + hot water boiler costs 1600r per month.

                  I wonder how much the cube costs, and not how much you pay .... now a bunch of magnets that counters either stop or slow down 3 times ...
                  1. woron333444
                    woron333444 28 January 2018 17: 49 New
                    +2
                    I am drowned in coal, and a relative near Barnaul in the village with gas. I was there on January 7 and asked how much they pay for gas. It costs 13000 rubles for coal. It’s more profitable to gas and do not carry ash, but in the spring to take it to a landfill. I also have 140sq.m. So I compare.
                    1. Burbon
                      Burbon 29 January 2018 08: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: woron333444
                      I'm drowned in coal

                      laughing wassat belay Then why write how much you pay to the GAZ branch ??
                      1. woron333444
                        woron333444 29 January 2018 09: 24 New
                        +1
                        I am writing about Altai. We have in Altai.
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 12: 06 New
                11
                Quote: Burbon
                they buy gassince he they are cheaper than you, in our rich Russia ..

                Lies. negative
                1. Burbon
                  Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Lies.

                  justify, if literacy is enough laughing
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 12: 19 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Burbon
                    justify

                    Learn to write without errors first.
                    Learn - come in and talk.
                    Quote: Burbon
                    if enough is enough literacy

                    good laughing good
              3. Orionvit
                Orionvit 28 January 2018 12: 21 New
                +4
                Quote: Burbon
                since it costs them cheaper than you, in our rich Russia

                Figures please. And with regard to the states, since everything is practically free for them, the printing press is still working.
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 29 January 2018 13: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  Figures please. And with regard to the states, since everything is practically free for them, the printing press is still working.

                  Yes, they have communism, everything is free))))))
              4. figwam
                figwam 28 January 2018 13: 47 New
                +4
                Burbon

                Staaa !!! What business!? The Yankees shouted to the whole world that they had made a shale revolution and now gas would be available not only in the United States, they would provide them with the whole of Europe along with the outskirts, but in reality they didn’t even have enough for themselves. Here's a business, they freeze, and then they start to hurt.
                1. Burbon
                  Burbon 29 January 2018 08: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: figvam
                  Here's a business, they freeze, and then they start to hurt.

                  lies....
        2. Des10
          Des10 29 January 2018 12: 42 New
          0
          Thank you for feeling it yourself, but could not say!)
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 28 January 2018 10: 10 New
      11
      This is decommunized reverse french gas laughing
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2018 10: 11 New
      +5
      Anarchist Today, 10:05 AM New
      Freeze, freeze the wolf tail!

      As you can see, the main enemy of the meriticosia does not allow them to freeze ... wink
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 28 January 2018 10: 44 New
        +7
        We save from the attack of our own ally ...
    4. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 28 January 2018 10: 13 New
      16
      Yet God helps Russia at the most critical moment for our country ..!

      Shale vaunted gas, did not save the USA .. hehe
      Russia is a generous soul! We are not vindictive gentlemen, we will help, but for a fee now ..
      1. Burbon
        Burbon 28 January 2018 11: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        but for a fee now.

        which one? .... obviously less than for an internal consumer somewhere in Yakutsk
        1. SEER
          SEER 29 January 2018 00: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Burbon
          Quote: MIKHAN
          but for a fee now.

          which one? .... obviously less than for an internal consumer somewhere in Yakutsk

          the numbers have already asked you.
          for reference, the cost of a cube of gas in the Moscow region is from 5,14 to 6,638 rubles.
          How much does LNG cost for “partners”?
        2. Ren
          Ren 29 January 2018 07: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Burbon
          which one? .... obviously less than for an internal consumer somewhere in Yakutsk

          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. Ren
              Ren 29 January 2018 11: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Dali
              Well ... but then it's all the so-called gas "from the pipe" - and now try to calculate LNG ... only the source of wholesale prices and payment to the studio ...

              I gave my answer on 20.11.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.
              Additionally, gas price information is taken from http://www.gazprom.ru/about/marketing/europe/
              It states that average selling price gas in 2016 to foreign countries (net of VAT, excise tax and customs duties) 11 763,3 rub./ 1000 cu m
              I think that the average gas selling price in 2017 will be commensurate with prices for domestic Russian consumers, i.e. of order 9 000 rub./ 1000 cu m hi
              https://rg.ru/2017/01/19/gazprom-ozvuchil-sredniu
              iu-cenu-gaza-dlia-evropy-v-2017-godu.html
          2. dali
            dali 29 January 2018 11: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Ren
            Quote: Burbon
            which one? .... obviously less than for an internal consumer somewhere in Yakutsk


            laughing laughing laughing
            I can also write anything ....
            laughing laughing laughing

            I will write differently ... in connection with your new answer ...
            1) You indicated that "(net of VAT, excise tax and customs duties) 11 763,3 rubles / 1000 cubic meters - abroad" - the question is what is the price ?! belay Awww ...
            Are you a Troll or something ... I did not clearly express myself earlier ... and the calculation of the final price in the studio for the end user in Europe !!! So with her and compare the final price for a consumer in Europe with the final consumer in Yakutia - although why only for Yakutia ?!
            For example, in St. Petersburg for 1000cub 5747,79 rubles

            2) "you think" ... only for arguments it is necessary in this case it is not necessary to make an extra-self of yourself laughing "he thinks the watchers" laughing , and give real numbers ... once again ... calculating the average price for residents of Rosiii in the studio
            3) Yes, ask what it means "minus VAT, excise tax and customs duties" ... so to speak, to start calculating the final price for a resident of Europe. And of course the source of wholesale prices and the calculation of the final price for a resident of Europe in the studio ...

            Well, I’ll repeat it again ... but it’s all the so-called gas “from the pipe” - and now try to calculate the LNG and the cost of gas again for a resident of Europe from that obtained from LNG ... And again, the calculation in the studio ...

            ... and then "... not bags to carry and I can" hi
            1. Ren
              Ren 29 January 2018 12: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Dali
              For example, in St. Petersburg for 1000cub 5747,79 rubles

              In St. Petersburg, it is simply mined, so the price is so low. wassat
              But in Siberia and Yakutia there is no gas, and it probably has to be transported from St. Petersburg, which is why it comes out more expensive. recourse
              Omsk Region - 7430.00 / 1000 cubic meters;
              Novosibirsk Region - 5450.00 / 1000 cubic meters;
              Kemerovo region - 5080.00 / 1000 cubic meters .;
              Jena for gas for the population in many respects also depends on local authorities, and the appetites of Gazprom suppliers can restrain them.
              In Belarus, for example, the price of gas for the population during the heating period is 2876,46 rubles / 1000 cubic meters (101,5 white rubles); what
              in the summer period - 9281,19 rubles / 1000 cubic meters (327,5 white rubles)
          3. SEER
            SEER 29 January 2018 17: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Ren
            Quote: Burbon
            which one? .... obviously less than for an internal consumer somewhere in Yakutsk


            "Due to the severe cooling, gas demand in the eastern states has seriously increased, and prices have risen to $ 6,3 thousand per 1 cubic meters."
            https://news.mail.ru/economics/32383833/?frommail
            =1
          4. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 29 January 2018 18: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: Ren
            Quote: Burbon
            which one? .... obviously less than for an internal consumer somewhere in Yakutsk


            If you are already taken to refer to something, read what is written there to the end yes
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Ren
            in Yakutia, the Far East, most of Siberia (Center, South, East) gas is sold to the population at comparable prices to export

            Standard error: you confuse the wholesale price of gas "in the pipe" with its price for the end user (in your apartment, for example).
            "In the apartment" the price grows by the cost of servicing the gas distribution network and just delivery to the apartment.
            This is at least there is no time to collect everything in a heap.
            If interested - I will find you the cost of gas for the population in the same Poland-Germany. You will be surprised, probably, but it is much larger than those "150 for 1000 cubes" that you mentioned

            Something like this ...
    5. novel66
      novel66 28 January 2018 10: 14 New
      +9
      as one character rightly remarked
      oh, in vain we feed him! the kindest hi
    6. Semyonych
      Semyonych 28 January 2018 11: 16 New
      +1
      soldier This is an invasion !!!!!!! Russians are coming! wassat
    7. Deck
      Deck 28 January 2018 12: 24 New
      +3
      Joyful for our gas molecules
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 28 January 2018 10: 09 New
    +6
    All of these LNG, tankers. Of course it's good. Probably and profitable. Until someday such a tanker will explode in the port. And at once everyone will remember that a gas pipe can only be longer than a gas pipe. repeat
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 28 January 2018 10: 16 New
      +2
      Well, the pipe can also ... and how it can !!!! it's really not a trunk pipeline, but .....
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5a6b07cd9a794709d9
      419598
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 28 January 2018 10: 17 New
      +4
      I was interested in this question. LNG cannot explode. At least without very serious help.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 January 2018 10: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      And right away everyone will remember that a gas pipe can only be even longer than a gas pipe.

      This is for the consumer. For Europe. Although they are sure that this is not so. But for the manufacturer, on the contrary, LNG is much more profitable.
      1. san4es
        san4es 28 January 2018 10: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        ... for the manufacturer, on the contrary, LNG is much more profitable.

        ... for the "carriers", too
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 January 2018 10: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: san4es
          For the "carriers", too

          And this is true. Still, a tanker is cheaper than a pipe. And in principle, it can be redone.

          And the construction of the pipe requires guarantees for its filling. otherwise it may not pay off
          1. san4es
            san4es 28 January 2018 11: 07 New
            10
            Quote: Spade
            a tanker is cheaper than a pipe. And in principle, it can be redone.

            ... Hardly (expensive) ... It's just that there is no pipeline.
            what Semi-empty, also not profitable - a lot of expenses
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 January 2018 11: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: san4es
              Semi-empty, also not profitable - a lot of expenses

              This is another issue for LNG customers. They buy volumes on the exchange, and at the same time have to attend to their transportation. A tanker can go half empty. Just the buyer will pay for it.
              I remember that Ukrainian patriots beat their heels in the chest, shouting "LNG is cheaper than Russian gas, we will buy it." And that was just that. Just the price did not include the cost of transportation and regasification.
          2. woron333444
            woron333444 28 January 2018 12: 08 New
            +3
            LNG is more expensive to the consumer than the pipe.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 January 2018 12: 31 New
              +1
              Of course. But at the same time, the “supplier through the pipe” requires long-term contracts from the consumer. For a clear reason.
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 28 January 2018 12: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            And this is true. Still, a tanker is cheaper than a pipe.

            Nonsense. It is clear that the pipe must be filled, otherwise why build it. And for liquefied gas, have you ever encountered cryogenic plants, especially of such capacities? How much energy does it take? This is still a headache. No one will bother with gas liquefaction if it is possible to lay a pipe. I remember that in many areas, people used gas bottles, so what? It turned out that universal gasification is much more profitable. Once spent on the pipe and meter, and then pay only gas. Rude, but understandable.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 January 2018 13: 28 New
              +4
              Quote: Orionvit
              No one will bother with gas liquefaction if it is possible to lay a pipe.

              8)))
              Are you trying to convince me that it’s better to sell crude oil than petroleum products? What is better to sell round timber than lumber? What is better to sell bauxite than aluminum ingots?
              Natural "pipe" gas is a raw material. LNG is a product obtained by processing it. Where there is production, there is income. Read Marx.
              1. svd-xnumx
                svd-xnumx 28 January 2018 21: 32 New
                +1
                Are you trying to convince me that it’s better to sell crude oil than petroleum products? What is better to sell round timber than lumber? What is better to sell bauxite than aluminum ingots?
                It depends on why you need gas, because if you don’t need liquefied gas, you will be forced to regasify. No one will buy lumber to heat the stove.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 January 2018 22: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: svd-xnumx
                  Watching why you need gas

                  Sell.
                  Quote: svd-xnumx
                  you will be forced to regasify

                  What for? This is the buyer's problem. Like transportation.
                  We are discussing the benefits of Russia as a seller.
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 29 January 2018 14: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                LNG is a product obtained by processing it.

                And what about Marx? LNG is not a product, it is the same gas (raw materials), only in a different state of aggregation and more expensive. But for example, plastic made from the same gas, or the energy received from it, is a product.
                What is better to sell round timber than lumber?
                Everything in your head is messed up. And round timber and lumber, it's all raw materials. But furniture from the same tree, this is a product. Continue to continue?
    4. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 28 January 2018 10: 25 New
      +2
      LNG is used there where you can’t physically hold out the pipe, it’s just that the EU does perversions, although they can also be understood, diversification of supplies for every fireman is important to them, otherwise Ukraine will invent something again.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 January 2018 10: 31 New
        +3
        ProkletyiPirat
        otherwise Ukraine will invent something again.
        What does Ukraine have to do with it now? She has been enjoying the transit year for the last year. You can forget about the transit country. It’s true if our rescue is pure. And in another attempt to measure, they will not make another curtsy in the direction of Kiev.
  3. Ierarh
    Ierarh 28 January 2018 10: 10 New
    +1
    Why is this happening? Was there a slate?
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 28 January 2018 10: 14 New
      +3
      Ierarh
      Why is this happening? Was there a slate?
      Slate hasn’t gone anywhere. The land is where mining is done in this way. laughing
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2018 10: 14 New
      +1
      Ierarh Today, 10:10 AM
      Why is this happening? Was there a slate?

      ... if in Hollywood - then yes, if in life - then Merikatosovsky fake ...
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 28 January 2018 11: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: aszzz888
        .. if in Hollywood - then yes, if in life - then Merikatosovsky fake ...

        But what about the video of American housewives where they have a tap, so to speak, gas comes along with water? These are the consequences of production by hydraulic fracturing.
    3. avt
      avt 28 January 2018 10: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Ierarh
      Was there a slate?

      The shale is good at an oil price above $ 80, and all that is lower is also necessary for the buyer to pay extra. bully But it’s cool - we shouted that they would flood with HIS liquid gas not only that Europe-the whole World and would become a real “gas station country” wassat
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 28 January 2018 12: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Ierarh
      Was there a slate?

      It was a slate, only left sideways. laughing But how many shouts were about the shale "energy revolution", and so, they just dirtied the earth that there were no profits.
    5. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 28 January 2018 21: 40 New
      0
      They have trouble with the stores, they can sell it directly from the well. Therefore, they are scamming to Europe to refuse gas from Russia in order to get a large stable market and develop infrastructure for this.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 January 2018 10: 10 New
    +1
    The seller was the French energy giant Engie. Fuel was produced at the Yamal LNG project.

    ... they are also rubbing meritos that they are buying French gas? laughing ... and the poles with ukrokaklami wriggle in front of them ... yes the mericatos scored on all this audience, their cowboy should warm, but whose gas is a secondary issue ... bully
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 January 2018 10: 10 New
    +2
    Second tanker
    Interestingly, and at what price are we selling?
    because the gas molecules are Russian, "but the gas is no longer Russian."
    It seems that he is afraid to affect the anti-Russian feelings of the Americans. Where is the gas produced? And who and how many times resold this is the second question. Ukraine also buys "European" gas. Even in this matter, wagging his tail in front of the United States.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 January 2018 10: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Interestingly, and at what price are we selling?

      As far as I know, we, like everyone else, sell LNG to Europe at exchange prices.

      Quote: rotmistr60
      It seems that he is afraid to affect the anti-Russian feelings of the Americans.

      That's not the point. Gas in fact is already French. They bought it, and it was them.
      1. onix757
        onix757 28 January 2018 10: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        As far as I know, we, like everyone else, sell LNG to Europe at exchange prices.

        Gas is not traded on an exchange. The price is specified in the contract.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 January 2018 10: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: onix757
          Gas is not traded on an exchange. The price is specified in the contract.

          This is for normal, "pipe" gas. The pipe requires guarantees of its filling, which means long-term contracts with sanctions for the non-purchase of prescribed volumes.
          There are no such problems with LNG. Therefore, exchange trading.
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 28 January 2018 12: 10 New
          +1
          The price of gas depends on the price of oil. And the price of oil is traded on the stock exchange.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 January 2018 22: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: woron333444
            Gas price depends on oil price

            This is again for pipe gas. Moreover, this scheme appeared initially only in Europe for Norwegian gas. Ours started selling it much later. But even with this, there is an agreement in which the volumes required for procurement are prescribed.

            And for LNG, the price is free. With all sorts of futures and other instruments on which brokerage firms earn big money. The Americans lobbied for this scheme, as beneficial for themselves.
  6. Piramidon
    Piramidon 28 January 2018 10: 11 New
    +7
    The gas molecules are Russian, but the gas is no longer Russian.

    The scheme is worked out. The coal molecules are Donetsk, but the coal is Pennsylvania.
  7. san4es
    san4es 28 January 2018 10: 13 New
    +5
    Provalys will take gas from the French Dunkirk, which was previously delivered from Russia, and will go with him to New England (northeastern USA),

    ... then it will be sold to Ukraine, at a $ selling price bully

    ... nafig will be exhaled.
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 28 January 2018 10: 19 New
      +9
      Namesake, welcome!
      As they once joked on TV - ““ here’s free gas for you, ”Putin said and farted at the Ukrainian embassy!“ ...
      1. san4es
        san4es 28 January 2018 10: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Anarchist
        ... - ““ here is free gas for you ”- ...

        laughing laughing ...Hi! ... wassat
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 January 2018 10: 17 New
    +1
    Well, are they going to supply THIS gas to Europe? Funny "arithmetic". To buy gas in Russia, turn it (on paper) into shale American, and "vparivat" Europeans at an exorbitant price! This is how they inflate their FANTASTIC GDP laughing
  9. askort154
    askort154 28 January 2018 10: 20 New
    +1
    You won’t understand these Russians. We sanctioned them, and they sent us a hat on a member, and they say - so that your ears do not freeze. belay
  10. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 28 January 2018 10: 20 New
    +3
    However, winter is too cold in the north-east of the country

    I understand correctly that Santa Claus has now gone otvetku for sanctions to cut ????
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 28 January 2018 10: 21 New
    +2
    I still don’t understand where the American shale gas went, the one with which they want to conquer and drive Gazprom all over Europe? In essence, it should be colossal reserves and production for such applications.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 28 January 2018 10: 37 New
      +1
      I agree where their shale gas, if they even buy from us! laughing and they screeched all of Europe with shale gas.
  12. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 January 2018 10: 21 New
    0
    because the gas molecules are Russian, "but the gas is no longer Russian."

    Very deep knowledge of physics and chemistry ...
  13. akudr48
    akudr48 28 January 2018 10: 23 New
    +6
    Our gas

    Strange, it turns out, is a raw-material dependence: it is not the gas industry that supports the budget, but rather, taxpayers subsidize gas producers. Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/opinions/business/11/12/2017/5
    a2e37599a79476b576c3f91

    Russia as a state does not receive anything from this project, it even pays extra money for gentlemen to take this gas and not be shy. This is another scheme for pumping state money into the private pockets of the owners of "our gas", ours in which there are only molecules, as Novak surprisingly honestly said.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 January 2018 10: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: akudr48
      Our gas

      Strange, it turns out, is a raw-material dependence: it is not the gas industry that supports the budget, but rather, taxpayers subsidize gas producers. Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/opinions/business/11/12/2017/5
      a2e37599a79476b576c3f91

      Russia as a state does not receive anything from this project, it even pays extra money for gentlemen to take this gas and not be shy. This is another scheme for pumping state money into the private pockets of the owners of "our gas", ours in which there are only molecules, as Novak surprisingly honestly said.

      1. References to RBC are the same as references to Echo of Moscow, one of the mouthpieces of the liberal opposition. Still, a reference to the speech of some Gozman or Porubiy would be stuck here.
      2. From all of this, you understood only that Yamal LNG was built with the participation of money from the state budget, and on this basis you came to the conclusion - "" We were all robbed! "
      3. In Russia, 100-500 enterprises are built on budgetary funds.
      1. Burbon
        Burbon 28 January 2018 11: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Links to RBC - the same as on "Echo of Moscow"

        not long ago there was a publication that the baboons destroyed 7 planes in Khmeimim and the link was to the businessman ... everyone shouted together that the businessman was a lying mouthpiece of the liberals ... so ???? ... and after 5 days there was a publication about the sale of liquefied gas in the United States (1 ship) and everyone began to scoff at the star-stripes and write off all the nonsense .... the truth was that this publication also referred to a merchant .... and now what can you say ??? ??
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 11: 50 New
          +6
          Quote: Burbon
          ... this post same referred to the merchant .... and now what do you say ?????

          Two to you in logic ... that’s what I’ll say yes
          * also - together.
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 28 January 2018 11: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Two to you in logic ... that’s what I’ll say

            bravo ... applause wassat ..means a liberal portal is a businessman lying only when your person is comfortable? wassat
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              1. Burbon
                Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                What did you want to approve

                not really not clear ?? .... then this is no longer for me ....
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 12: 10 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Burbon
                  not really not clear ??

                  Ooh, yoyo ...
                  * do - together
                  * unclear - together too!
                  It’s good to turn the basin already ... what did you want to saymiserable?
                  I repeat - simple, Russian words yes
                  1. Burbon
                    Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    what did you want to say

                    I’ve already said everything, hasn’t it yet?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 12: 28 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Burbon
                      I’ve already said everything, hasn’t it yet?

                      I see ...
                      Broke, break ... bucket (c) laughing
                      1. Burbon
                        Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I see ...

                        what do you understand ?? .... in your profile - I do not believe in God, I do not believe in government, I do not believe in anyone. I believe only in my own strength., the point is to continue? ....
        2. 11 black
          11 black 28 January 2018 12: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Burbon
          not long ago there was a publication that the baboons destroyed 7 planes in Khmeimim and the link was to the businessman ... everyone shouted together that the businessman was a lying mouthpiece of the liberals ... so ???? ... and after 5 days there was a publication about the sale of liquefied gas in the United States (1 ship) and everyone began to scoff at the star-stripes and write off all the nonsense .... the truth was that this publication also referred to a merchant .... and now what can you say ??? ??

          I will say that a merchant is a lying mouthpiece of liberal propaganda.
          + 100500 American satellites are aimed at the Hmeimim base. Last time, when the attack on our other base by militants was successful (they burned five helicopters) the next day the Americans provided satellite imagery and notified the whole world about it.
          Not a single satellite photograph of the burning or destroyed aircraft at the Khmeimim base has been provided.
          Conclusion - a businessman is a lying mouthpiece of Western propaganda, which is sometimes forced to tell the truth in order to mask the lies behind it.
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 09 New
            0
            Quote: 11 black
            +100500 American satellites aimed at Hmeimim base

            I'm talking about a businessman, and not about a base ..... just people in one case believe in publishing, and in another they hate it .... where is the logic? Well, by the way .... everyone knows that the hmeimim base is covered by a reb (dome) .... and the United States whines that they don’t see anything ......
            1. 11 black
              11 black 28 January 2018 12: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Burbon
              I'm talking about a businessman, and not about a base ..... just people in one case believe in publishing, and in another they hate it .... where is the logic? Well, by the way .... everyone knows that the hmeimim base is covered by a reb (dome) .... and the United States whines that they don’t see anything ......


              The publisher insolently lied and criticized him for that - that’s the whole logic.
              No "EW Dome" can blind all American satellites at once. If this happened, then we must talk about the complete incapacity of all US satellites in front of our electronic warfare laughing
              As I said, the Americans instantly photographed our T-4 base after the militants destroyed five helicopters, which proved the constant satellite reconnaissance of our bases. The next day, these photos were from the journalists. Since they saw T-4, they certainly would have seen Khmeimim.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 29 January 2018 15: 41 New
                0
                Quote: 11 black
                The very next day, these photos were with journalists

                Photos where?
                1. 11 black
                  11 black 29 January 2018 16: 49 New
                  0
                  "Photos" of the attack on T4 for a year now in the public domain.

                  But Hmeimim from the same American satellites.

                  So what should I ask about Hmeimim - where are the pictures ?!
                  1. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 29 January 2018 20: 52 New
                    0
                    Quote: 11 black
                    So what should I ask about Hmeimim - where are the pictures?

                    So about, where are the pictures of the base in Hmeimim?
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 28 January 2018 13: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Burbon
          Now what do you say ?????

          I will say that you did not understand the essence of my answer "akudr48". It is not even a matter of whom he refers, but how it interprets and presents.
          "People robbed" "They give out gas for free" ... Even RBC does not give out such a thing. True, slyly trying to push all kinds of sofa "oppositionists" to such thoughts. What I was convinced by reading the post akudr48.
    2. Vard
      Vard 28 January 2018 11: 20 New
      +1
      A simple calculation of pipe pricing gives no less surprising things ... whoever doesn’t feed from our gas ... A seditious thought ... it is more profitable for us to stop exporting altogether ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 11: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Vard
        it’s more profitable for us to stop exporting altogether ...

        What will we eat? In the truest sense of the word?
        1. Burbon
          Burbon 28 January 2018 12: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          What will we eat?

          don’t you have something to eat? ..... so you pray for buyers from the United States since they send the currency for gas .... only to the French and not to us ....... and they, in turn, pay euro cents per cubic meter .. ..which is cheaper than gas for domestic consumption
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 12: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Burbon
            ... pay euro cents per cubic meter .... which is cheaper than gas for domestic consumption ...

            (lazily): a lie ... request
        2. sapporo1959
          sapporo1959 28 January 2018 20: 53 New
          +1
          Is it funny The economy under the leadership of our tireless president was raised, we were engaged in import substitution, and then suddenly we’ll eat something without gas ...?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 22: 09 New
            +5
            And someone here decided to try his hand at trolling ... in vain, oh, in vain request
            Quote: sapporo1959
            The economy ... was raised, they were engaged in import substitution, and then all of a sudden, why would we eat without gas ...?

            Check out the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation.
            After acquaintance - come in and talk ... since you have such a desire.
            The rise of industry and import substitution is not a quick matter, like any creative activity.
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 29 January 2018 08: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The rise of industry and import substitution is not a quick matter, like any creative activity

              lies...
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              After acquaintance - come in and talk ... since you have such a desire.

              trolling ....
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Check out the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation

              got acquainted and what? ..... empty and solid lies - propaganda
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 28 January 2018 11: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: akudr48
      Russia as a state does not receive anything from this project, it even pays extra money for gentlemen to take this gas and not be shy. This is another scheme for pumping state money into the private pockets of the owners of "our gas", ours in which there are only molecules, as Novak surprisingly honestly said.

      What does your RBC understand. Bend your fingers:
      - 5% - subsoil tax, 20% - income tax, 2.2% property tax, 1,1% personal property tax.
      According to the wage fund - 13% PIT, 30% - Insurance premiums
      Indirectly: 18% VAT for funds, Materials, Intangible assets, goods, services purchased is not set off to the budget in the form of a deduction, since it is sold for a hill at the rate of 0, Customs fees. Harboring
      So calculate how much the country "doesn’t get a damn" from Yamal
    4. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 28 January 2018 13: 08 New
      0
      It's right! And I am excitedly rejoicing about the next overturn of Russia in gas deliveries, although liquefied, I don’t see any particular reason, since my Russian pension is clearly untied from these victorious deliveries ...? I would like to think differently, but however this fact is not disputable. Although various students with refutations will come out of course now, the statistics of sciences are accurate!
  14. AID.S
    AID.S 28 January 2018 10: 30 New
    +1
    Russian gas molecules

    Masterpiece.
  15. Ierarh
    Ierarh 28 January 2018 10: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: d ^ Amir
    However, winter is too cold in the north-east of the country

    I understand correctly that Santa Claus has now gone otvetku for sanctions to cut ????

    And Grandfather is already suspected of loyalty to the Russians. The “Dog of the Knights” froze, Bonaparte froze, Hitler froze ...
    It is not for nothing that the Ruin persecutes him, they feel that they will meet ...
  16. taiga2018
    taiga2018 28 January 2018 10: 56 New
    +2
    money, as they say, doesn’t smell, but gas smells, but when it’s cold, even the smell of heat comes from Russian gas, but the aroma of heat ...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 January 2018 11: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: taiga2018
      money, as they say, doesn’t smell, but gas smells, but when it’s cold, even the smell of heat comes from Russian gas, but the aroma of heat ...

      Initially, gas, by the way, does not smell. The smell is given to him specially, adding the so-called odorants to make leak detection easier.
  17. Alexander War
    Alexander War 28 January 2018 11: 07 New
    +1
    some video to tape
  18. groks
    groks 28 January 2018 11: 18 New
    +3
    Is it in response to new sanctions that our oligarchs sent them? Of all the news, I liked only the name of the vessel.
  19. Sansculotte
    Sansculotte 28 January 2018 11: 25 New
    +4
    To begin with, this is not Russian gas at all. He was Russian - and even listed by law in state ownership - while he was in the bowels of the Yamal Peninsula. Once on the surface, he immediately became the property of the international consortium that mined it as part of the NOVATEK company (partially owned by foreigners, not just Timchenko and Michelson), the French company Total and two Chinese partners.
    At the same time, Russia did not get anything at all for its gas. The Russian leadership virtually donated this gas to the consortium named above (not even the state-owned companies of the Russian Federation), renouncing in its favor a tax on extraction of minerals, an export tax on gas, a profit tax, an import duty on imported equipment ... and generally all taxes, excises and duties. Once again, for those who are dull, this is a gift to entrepreneurs from the president, who personally ordered the Yamal LNG project to be provided with such unprecedented preferential terms.

    Having delivered his gas to a transshipment point in northwestern Europe, the owner, that is, the aforementioned consortium, and not Russia, sold the goods to the trader company. And the new owner, in turn, has the right to dispose of his legally acquired property as he pleases. Liquefied gas went by sea to the place where at the moment they would give a good price for nago. They planned to deliver it to the USA, but then they found out that somewhere else the price would be higher.

    I repeat: from the moment it reached the surface of the earth, this gas ceased to be Russian. The goods may change owners several times, and “patriotically” monitor commercial transactions to which the Russian state and the population of Russia no longer have any relation, only stupid propagandists are allowed.

    Yamal LNG will be exempted from MET for gas in the first 12 years of production, provided that its total volume for this period does not exceed 250 billion cubic meters. m. Under the same conditions, exemption from property tax and income tax benefits, which will be not 18%, but 13,5%. Until the end of the construction of the plant, the shareholders are exempted from VAT when purchasing equipment that has no analogues in Russia, and upon its completion they will be able to use the zero export duty for LNG. Given that all related infrastructure is built and maintained by the state, the state will receive from the project in area 0.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 11: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: Sankyulot
      The Russian leadership virtually gave this gas for free ... by refusing ... generally from all taxes, excises and duties

      Lies yes
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 28 January 2018 12: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Sankyulot
        The Russian leadership virtually gave this gas for free ... by refusing ... generally from all taxes, excises and duties

        Lies yes

        Breshet, even without batting an eye .. ELECTION however! fellow
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 28 January 2018 13: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Breshet, even without batting an eye .. ELECTION however!

          It seems to me that it’s not ELECTION that is to blame, but recruited journalists by ad. Of course, the state gave privileges for a grandiose project. This is normal. Only some journalists put everything on its feet without understanding the nefig. Let’s say the income tax has been reduced, so retained earnings increase, dividends are accrued from it, personal income tax is paid from them. From bourgeoisie 15%, from Michelson 13%. As if for the state from a rearrangement of terms, the amount of Taxes does not change. No matter how the state removes mineral extraction tax from the deposit 5%, the bases for calculating taxes are increasing. etc.
          Well in general. If there was no Yamal LNG, the state would not have received a fig. And so, property tax as a gift as a gift to the State. Amounts are very decent and will only increase
      2. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 28 January 2018 13: 12 New
        0
        So why lies? Let's look at our salaries and pensions and then it will become not much more clear who from this gas of ours and raped is not sickly ..
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 13: 16 New
          +6
          Quote: sapporo1959
          Let’s look at our salaries and pensions, and then it’s not much more clear who from this gas of ours was not sickly

          Mdja ...
          - firstly, I do not want to “look” at your salary (and pension). My salary suits me (almost).
          - secondly, it was about the tax benefits of Yamal-LNG, and not at all about the size of salary-pensions
          - who raped whom there - it’s not from this opera at all ...
          Quote: sapporo1959
          So why lies?

          A-priory. This -

          Quote: Sankyulot
          refusing in his favor from mineral extraction tax, gas export duty, income tax, import duty on imported equipment ... and generally from all taxes, excises and duties

          - the essence of a lie, (censorship) and provocation laughing
          1. sapporo1959
            sapporo1959 28 January 2018 13: 51 New
            0
            Well, is provocation clear? Well, what can you tell us about the numbers regarding pensions and salaries during such rapid gas and oil exploitation of mineral resources belonging to some kind of people ...?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 16: 01 New
              +5
              Quote: sapporo1959
              Well, what about the numbers you can tell us about pensions and salaries

              To you personally?
              Never mind request
              1. sapporo1959
                sapporo1959 28 January 2018 21: 01 New
                0
                So the fact of the matter is that there’s nothing to tell you. Well, shouting cheers on every occasion, in principle, is not a big mind.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 22: 04 New
                  +5
                  Quote: sapporo1959
                  So the fact of the matter is that there’s nothing to tell you

                  Three mistakes in one sentence.
                  I do not see a “case” on which it would be worth talking.
                  I repeat - what your salary is, I am deeply indifferent. It's your problems. Not mine.
                  That's all, actually request
                  1. sapporo1959
                    sapporo1959 28 January 2018 22: 36 New
                    0
                    So why are you so straight pessimistic like everything? Are you going to the Duma as a drummer, or have you already decided to go to Grudilin as a bugler? I still thought that you would finally explain to me how gas supplies, and even liquefied ones, affect my pension?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 28 January 2018 22: 39 New
                      +5
                      Quote: sapporo1959
                      ... how are gas supplies, and even liquefied ones, affecting my pension?

                      More gas - fewer holes laughing
                      Quote: sapporo1959
                      I still thought that you would explain to me

                      I’ll give up everything right now, and I’ll start ... I get to work in 7 hours, and I’m still in no one eye belay
                      Self-educate, you have a lot of time, the Internet is available ... I would have such conditions winked
                      1. sapporo1959
                        sapporo1959 28 January 2018 22: 49 New
                        0
                        So why do I need the Internet if I received a pension and I saw all the successes right away and you see it. It’s easier for you to work tomorrow, but then you worked like Karl’s dad and get it!
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 January 2018 13: 33 New
      0
      It was so hard to drill there and produce this gas and turn it into liquid, that no one wanted to take it. Putin persuaded all private traders. Therefore, when the consortium was created, it was happiness. Otherwise, the failure of the project. The state does not think about profit there, if only the entire chain of production and sales does not stop at all.
      This example is for those who rely too much on the Arctic shelf. There is a lot of oil and gas in the bowels, but production is unprofitable. Costs cannot be recouped for decades.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 28 January 2018 13: 49 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        It was so hard to drill there and produce this gas and turn it into liquid, that no one wanted to take it. Putin persuaded all private traders.

        For so long, cheat Mr. Michelson agreed right away. Not. He is not a friend of Putin, he is a shirt guy for Tax hi
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 28 January 2018 14: 25 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        This example is for those who rely too much on the Arctic shelf. There is a lot of oil and gas in the bowels, but production is unprofitable.

        Vasheto Novatek has been producing permafrost for at least 15 years. They started with a two-story mansion on Olsufensky, a year later on the second Brest 3 floors in Parus, then half of NeftOil between Cherkizovskaya and Kaluga. Not profitable? Very disadvantageous. This is how much property taxes to pay hi
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 January 2018 12: 13 New
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    We give them gas, they give us Alaska .. !!! Do not wash it so much .. (a joke of course, but everything may be in the future ..)))

    EVERYTHING is dancing and liberalists too .. hehe
  21. gladcu2
    gladcu2 28 January 2018 12: 22 New
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    I have a gap of concepts.

    The crisis in Ukraine, according to analysts from the United States, was created in order to discredit Russia as a trading partner for Europe. The purpose of such incriminating evidence is to switch the trade partnership of Europe to the US According to rough estimates, this is about 500 billion per annum. In particular, it is planned to sell shale LNG for Europe, replacing Russia on the market.

    And this is what we have at the moment.

    There, by chance, a reversal to Europe does not occur? What about this Bloombeg is silent?
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 28 January 2018 12: 56 New
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      Quote: gladcu2
      And this is what we have at the moment.

      Russian frost has always been on the side of Russia ..!
      And the Russians love the cold, invigorates greatly (then a glass with a pickle ..)))

      Well, for Russia and our submarine fleet! drinks
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 28 January 2018 14: 24 New
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    Russia carried out on a striped gas ATAKU !!! Save who can !!! GASES !!!
  23. Mentat
    Mentat 28 January 2018 19: 32 New
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    Quote: 264
    No, of course, where are we ... laughing You made me a day, thank you most humbly, gentleman. laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

    You made my day is an American expression. Are you definitely from Siberia? Even so says young quite snotty years, having learned this from the Internet.
    If you are all who stand up for everything good versus everything bad that you are trying to imagine, do not distort the Russian language, please.
  24. Nikolai Passerby
    Nikolai Passerby 28 January 2018 19: 49 New
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    Bought cheaper, sold more expensive ... This is a business, nothing personal. Russia has recently bought potatoes in Israel. True, it is doubtful that this potato in Israel grew, and not in Russia or Belarus, but it was supplied by its Israeli company ... So the potato is Israeli.
  25. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 28 January 2018 20: 10 New
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    Boo-ha-ha, I'm under the table)))))))))))))))))
  26. SEER
    SEER 29 January 2018 01: 43 New
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    Quote: Burbon
    ... then you pray for buyers from the United States since they send the currency for gas .... only to the French and not to us ....... and those in turn pay euro cents per cubic meter .... which is cheaper than gas for domestic consumption
    what about the numbers? the third time, as in a barrel organ a melody, but there is still no confirmation ...
  27. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 29 January 2018 10: 27 New
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    But how did the Americans promise to warm Europe with their gas if they abandon Russian gas? Here liars they do not have enough gas for themselves.
  28. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 29 January 2018 13: 05 New
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    They got gas, and sold it for US papers, for which, due to sanctions, you can only buy beads. What are you happy about?
  29. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 29 January 2018 14: 32 New
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    because the gas molecules are Russian, “but the gas is no longer Russian

    And then, he is generally French, they sold! Hmm, insanity ...
    And a couple of questions on the photo for the article:
    1) Where does so much water come from the ship? What is flowing there?
    2) Should the bulb be visible even when the ship is empty? (ready to ram)))