The United States intends to create a new self-propelled howitzer miracle

In the United States, work began on the creation of a self-propelled howitzer, which should surpass all the existing artillery installations of this class in the world, US Warrior Mave and National Interest reports.

According to the developers, the new howitzer will be created on the basis of the existing American ACS - М109А7 "Paladin" and will differ from its predecessor by high speed of movement and the best degree of protection.

The declared distance of the destruction of the target of the new howitzer will be 70 kilometers.

We now have a cannon in 39 gauges, which has been used by our army since the 1980s. We are limited in range, and the Russians are superior to us, as they can shoot long distances.

- Major General David Bassett of the American Army believes.

He also noted that the installation of a more powerful artillery gun is impossible without creating a new chassis for an armored vehicle. American experts believe that the ability to hit targets at a distance of 70 kilometers - a significant leap in opportunities for US artillery.

Previously, high-precision 155-mm artillery shells, such as the Excalibur, allowed strikes on 30 kilometers. A self-propelled howitzer capable of hitting targets in 70-kilometers, will be on par with the most modern ground-based launchers of tactical missiles, such as the M270 MLRS

- say military analysts.

Comments

[Safevi]

"still somehow not so"
... This is not because the American industry is so weak and can’t do anything, but because the tactics of the Americans is to launch a preemptive air-missile strike at much longer distances than self-propelled guns and artillery can. But apparently, the priorities have changed, and they began to pay more attention to this. And the Paladin is a good car. But it’s already a bit old.

[bulvas]

Quote: sefevi

... because the tactics of the Americans is to launch a preemptive air-missile strike at much longer distances than the self-propelled guns and artillery can. ...

and here the S-400, Buki and Carapace, not only are there in Russia, but hot cakes are spreading around the world,
and with aviation somehow it doesn’t turn out as we would like ...

[Vladimir16]

Quote: sefevi

... This is not because American industry is so weak and can not do anything, but because ..

Obos. Fought not because the economy is weak, but because diarrhea

[Monos]

A self-propelled howitzer capable of hitting targets in 70 kilometers will be on a par with the most modern ground-based tactical missile launchers, such as the M270 MLRS

Here, study! We have not started designing yet, but have already determined its place in the ranks of the best weapons! And you scold our developers when they timidly praise their already undergoing testing, development.

[Alex777]

Everything is simple here - our Coalition is the best. We took its parameters as a guideline - here's one of the best guns of our time in the American version.

[Shurik70]

During the 2nd world Germany created active rockets
Raketen-Granate 4341 caliber 280 mm, range was 87 km
C1 caliber 210 mm range 200 km (designer Wolf Trommsdorff)
True, there was no accuracy, but with modern electronics we solve this issue

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Shurik70

True, there was no accuracy, but with modern electronics we solve this issue

certainly solvable! and at the exit we get a misunderstanding 3 meters long. why 3? for Zumvoltov 2.5m but it is without "modern electronics" and controls. Well, it’s worth 800000 in goals. in guided as much as a cruise missile will cost. true, even if created, it will not fit into the Paladin
and we haven’t touched on such fun details as the smoke of a BO after a shot and the potential rate of fire!

[Firework]

it will be interesting to see

[Kars]

Remove the cannon from the breech, plus shells of a million apiece and all business.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Kars

Remove the cannon from the breech, plus shells of a million apiece and all business.

Which gun isn’t ???

[Kars]

Well, why, there is a cannon, there are shells. There is even a crusader buried in 90. Only the movement with PR actions is incomprehensible.

[Lopatov]

Quote: sefevi

This is not because American industry is so weak and can’t do anything, but because the tactics of the Americans

... consists in the following scheme: to cut the money for development, and then close the program "because it turns out very expensive." Then invest another billions in the next modernization of the old M109, which has long been “eating up” its modernization potential.

[Gray brother]

Quote: sefevi

And the Paladin is a good car. But it’s already a bit old.

“Slightly” is not the right word.

[betta]

Is that modern technology? What is their army?

[Dreamboat]

Smoke after shot. And they still have hatches open!

[Dead duck]

Quote: betta

Is that modern technology? What is their army?

we are cooler

[betta]

They work faster and have less smoke. But the Americans in a stressful situation, fighting, how do they insert a rope to shoot later? If it shakes, smoke, what does it look like?

[sabakina]

Sergei. I didn’t understand how this barrel, the size of a can of canned Greek papaya (by the way, I didn’t eat them from the Soviet Union. Do they even exist now and where to buy it?) "steals the" blank "at such a distance?

[Kot_Kuzya]

This is training shooting, not combat. In real life, they would shoot even slower and work in gas masks.

[Yura Yakovlev]

It looks like a cap loading. Sleeves capable of obturation of powder gases are not visible. Everything is at the level of the 19th century.

[Gray brother]

Quote: sabakina

"steals" blank "at such a distance?

Which one? It is active-reactive at a maximum distance of 30 km. And their caps are different - the more gunpowder you pour, the further the core will fly away)))

[sabakina]

Brother Gray, if in a tin can of 480 ml you can pour exactly 480 ml of gunpowder, then where will it fly away far? Watch the video, a simple blank. We have such children sharpened in war machines!

[Gray brother]

Quote: sabakina

Watch the video, a simple blank. We have such children sharpened in war machines!

I saw a tank cartridge - it’s about the same, but the projectile flies 10 km.
I don’t know how the Americans realized this business, maybe the cartridges are different for different ranges, or maybe they immediately lay 2-3 so that the projectile goes on.

[sabakina]

Quote: Gray Brother

I saw a tank cartridge

Mdya, it remains to find out what a "tank cartridge".

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Gray Brother

I saw a tank cartridge

Mdya, it remains to find out what a "tank cartridge".

Og ... and from which tank.
Of our unitary was at 55 ke. With a stretch, you can call him, um, a "cartridge"
But this is really erotic:

Quote: Gray Brother

... maybe the cartridges are different for different ranges, or maybe 2-3 immediately lay so that the shell flew further

Ahem ... "the mighty nature is full of miracles"

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Ahem ... "the mighty nature is full of miracles"

Truly.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gray Brother

maybe different cartridges for different ranges ...

... and grenades of the wrong system ...

Quote: Gray Brother

... maybe 2-3 at once ...

... the "cartridge" ...

Quote: Gray Brother

... lay so that the projectile continues to fly

What you call a "cartridge" is called a "charge." Or, in your picture - "cap."
You are also calling a light bulb "chandelier", probably ...

[skomfit]

What is the rate of fire in FIGs, but the crew after firing from such smoke is looking for imaginary gonorrhea in the bushes))))

[Indifferent]

In the time of Peter the Great, they fired a cannon like this, only loaded from the front. And the same time.

[biron]

I watched the work of this paladin such shit in combat conditions with such shooting corpses guaranteed.

[Dead duck]

Gray brotherA "Paladin" is a good car. But it’s already a bit old
“Slightly” is not the right word.
the Germans are cooler ... the “Negro” from the left of the gun is generally as restless ...
when shooting and knock down can

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Deadush

when shooting and knock down can

Yes, and to remain without a hand is quite. A little "yawned" and oppanki! When the first time I saw the whole process of firing “panzergabs” from the inside, it became a little uneasy.

[Dreamboat]

Cool, hesitated - disabled. And without it, the gun does not shoot. You don’t even need an adversary;

[Geisenberg]

Quote: sefevi

"still somehow not so"
... This is not because the American industry is so weak and can’t do anything, but because the tactics of the Americans is to launch a preemptive air-missile strike at much longer distances than self-propelled guns and artillery can. But apparently, the priorities have changed, and they began to pay more attention to this. And the Paladin is a good car. But it’s already a bit old.

Rather, because no one was engaged. And the second reason is that they generally will have nothing left of their own soon, in particular the design school.

[Korax71]

Here, they’re not quite right. For the part of the design schools, everything is fine with them. For the R&D of it, only the Chinese can do it, but not the fact. But with our design school, everything is much more interesting.

[Kent0001]

During the war in the Papuans, yes, but if the defending side has a deeply layered air defense system, then ..... I think you’ll develop the thought yourself.

[Horse meat]

To choke air defense from the lobule.
The gun.

[vlad66]

The United States intends to create a new self-propelled howitzer miracle

The United States has already created so many miracles, the heads of the world have gone to pieces.

[cniza]

Hello, Vlad! wanting it is not harmful to anyone.

[vlad66]

Quote: cniza

Hello, Vlad! wanting it is not harmful to anyone.

Hello Victor Yes, nothing but disgusting from the striped can not be expected.

[cniza]

So we don’t wait, neighbors are waiting.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Geisenberg

Self-hypnosis in the style of "I'll do it" ... in the end, when the fart crack changes to "it's not me." They have been scaring everyone for 10 years by making an artillery system with a range of 70 km and still not very ...

Judging by the picture, heaped up by an amount exceeding the cost of the F-35.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Crossing the borders of Russia ..? Oh well..

[Geisenberg]

Quote: MIKHAN

Crossing the borders of Russia ..? Oh well..

Rather, they’ll build it right on the border ... or, for example, deployed at the embassy ...

[264]

"Self-propelled howitzer, capable of hitting targets in 70 kilometers"
Them ... what for yourself ... Gunners, is this possible?

[Lenivets2]

I'm not a gunner, but I think this is possible.
But only if the projectile is reactive and controllable, and GPS guidance from satellites.
And the price of each shell will be godless.
And in the case of a serious mess, the satellites will be burned first and the Lafa will end.
ps IMHO.

[KVU-NSVD]

In principle, this is only a matter of 3 things - the caliber, strength and durability of the barrel-mechanism, the power of the propellant charge. And the problem of creation is the combination of these things in an acceptable mass of guns, non-mastodon chassis and digestible price. In the absence of these conditions, only a wunder waffle is obtained

[NEXUS]

Quote: 264

"Self-propelled howitzer, capable of hitting targets in 70 kilometers"
Them ... what for yourself ... Gunners, is this possible?

It is stated that the Coalition-SV hits exactly 70 km ...

[Dreamboat]

More than. This already happened, and some experimental guns covered a range of 120 km.
Read if interested: http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/vs/article/2251/
Or here: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parizhskaya_pushka

[Geisenberg]

Quote: 264

"Self-propelled howitzer, capable of hitting targets in 70 kilometers"
Them ... what for yourself ... Gunners, is this possible?

An active rocket projectile is probably possible.

[Lopatov]

This will be the third attempt 8)))))))))))).
Damn, the “dear” Cruzaders would have completely paid off by now.

[KVU-NSVD]

As it has long been known, Americans always find the right solution to the problem by trying all the wrong ones. The machine still allows

[Lopatov]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

As has long been known, Americans always find the right solution to a problem.

For 50 years now, the American artillery has been choosing extremely wrong solutions.

[KVU-NSVD]

Well, that means they didn’t get to the right ones. But seriously - I believe that the trouble with many American designs is that they see a solution to the technical problems that arise in designing by filling them with dollars, and not in a non-standard approach. The thought, in truth, is not mine, but of Robert Heinlein (the novel "The Door to Summer")

[Lopatov]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Well, that means they didn’t get to the right ones.

There were the right decisions. A lot of the right ones. But they were consistently abandoned. Even with regard to the artillery of other NATO countries, the American "sovereign" is impossible

[Mountain shooter]

Well, the loot must somehow "peel off." For a normal system with normal performance characteristics, they will not be "generous." Here are the promises of "fabulous miracles" ...

[Vard]

You are absolutely right ... money, only money, and nothing but money ... and also shells ... each in a million ... this is how they profit ...

[Bypassed]

The cool thing is that they will not have inflation at the same time - the residents of Londongrad have already made commitments to purchase US bonds at the expense of excess profit from oil

[tchoni]

If you, gentlemen, pick up the ZVO binder for ANY year, starting from the 70s, you will see that the US Armed Forces, with a frequency of once every five years, started something like this, then on the subject of self-propelled guns, then on the topic of IFVs, then some universal armored platform. It all ends with the creation of a prototype and the modernization of existing weapons.

[gla172]

.... you need to throw an idea ....

[Geisenberg]

Quote: gla172

.... you need to throw an idea ....

They stole it a long time ago ...

[Geterosigma]

all this equipment does not pose a great threat to countries with a serious army. It will roll to fight against aborigines who can not answer with anything like that.

[Chingiz]

New season

[Mih1974]

I’ve written many times already - how the hell do you imagine the American War Against "countries with a serious army"without the use of nuclear weapons? Well, seriously - who are these" serious armies "on planet Earth? The answer is obvious - Russia, China, India. Actually, there are all" serious opponents ", everyone has nuclear weapons and none of them is" shy "apply it. Actually, therefore, Merika has no problems and will not have in terms of its bad weapons because they have either Popuasy or the third world nuclear one to choose from.

[Reserve buildbat]

As I understand it, they’ll triple the tower, so that there isn’t 2, but 6 of Negro-loaders running around with capes, fuses, a banner ...

[sabakina]

Ivan, then it will be a premise ... ugh you, bunker.

[Mih1974]

And you google the "apochrine American" PT_building -T-95
I thought for a long time that this is a sick fantasy of the “HORORists,” but it turned out - no, the Americans are really so many stupid people.

[sabakina]

Misha, Google. It gives BOT. Maybe there is a specific link?

[Mih1974]

read and cry here https://brokgauz.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/38965
2

[Mih1974]

Then you can read the reviews at HERE, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, but it was the defeat of this monster in the game that made it possible to identify those shortcomings that did not lead to the adoption of weapons and mass production. This crap about the apparent decoration and the "triumph" of everything and everything - is a slow target as Estonians. Even without destroying it with air and a bude, she will get to the battlefield - she will simply go round and shoot a martyr - FSE, you can drain kerosene, then you can take it like a mammoth in a pit, bare hands and really fry it. That is, when shot down caterpillars - just lay it on the wood and set fire to

[Korax71]

In Kursk, only two Ferdinand was hit. One high-explosive, the second in a mine in Western Europe, no one was hit. Either tracked tracks or ammunition ran out. The same 95 is a great machine, if used correctly. In the formidable at one time with the use of tanks were treated in full. but this is not because the tank is amno, but the tactics were initially incorrect.

[Mih1974]

Just think - what is armored thicker tank or bunker? Read how our coastal batteries stormed the Crimea to the fascist. Yes - tired, yes - they piled a bunch of people, but they took the same. The same but much easier and with the T-95, as soon as this squalor seemed on the front lines they would have arranged a hunt for it, using divisional artillery and air force.
And do not dare to ride here with us with an example of the Battle of Kursk. This is that few moment when the Nazis temporarily managed to surpass us in tank building - the T-34-76 was already weak, and the T-34-85 had not yet entered the troops. And whoever believes me, let him ask the question “since such a wonderful PT Ferdinand, why the hell did they bring them to Germany immediately after Kursk and NEVER sent them to the eastern front again?” Maybe the Nazi fascists were "stupid like me" or maybe they reasonably saw in it flaws that could not be eliminated by any "dances"?

[Yuriy_999]

you know the question poorly. Were destroyed by a land mine and a mine bombardment (not one) and artillery destruction (76 mm), an aerial bomb, and even destruction by a KS bottle. In total, about 30 Ferdinants were destroyed in Kursk, if my memory serves me well. Too lazy to look. Not a child prodigy at all. The t-28 has even less chance of survival, and the Americans understood this very well. In the series did not go.

[sabakina]

Misha, thanks! In VoT, this creature will get a hell of a scratch! I really rarely play at such levels, especially after the coup in Ukraine ...

[Mih1974]

You just - horseradish, this miracle will be found in battle, but if you are lucky - just go to the other flank, and let the “turtle” die from boredom. . But the meaning is absolutely true - go round and board after which the “crew” recalls with every conceivable matyuk the Yaglitsky language the developers of this prodigy
But I wanted to say that IT mattresses even in iron collected , this moron did not have enough brains to reject the proposal even at the idea level, not to mention the drawings.

[Yuriy_999]

It’s just R&D. Ours also created monsters such as IP 7 and so on.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Barrel artillery caliber 155 mm firing range of 70 km? But not all 700 km ? I would have believed about 40 km using super-duper homing missiles, but 70 km is already fantastic! Even the 203-mm Pion cannon with an initial speed of 960 m / s has a range of 47,5 km with an active-reactive projectile, while the weight of the Pion projectile is more than two times heavier than the 155-mm projectile which dramatically affects the improvement of ballistics compared to a lighter projectile.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Barrel artillery caliber 155 mm firing range of 70 km?

Quite possible. The Italo-German projectile "Volcano" from a 155/52 howitzer in an uncontrolled version flies 50 km, in a controlled 80 km.
Both shells have neither a jet engine nor a bottom gas generator.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Spade

Both shells have neither a jet engine nor a bottom gas generator.

Rave! This is impossible. The 152 mm Hyacinth cannon with a conventional projectile without an accelerator with an initial speed of 945 m / s has a firing range of 30,5 km. The initial velocity of the projectile "Volcano" 1500 m / s?

Quote: Spade

The Italo-German projectile "Volcano" from a 155/52 howitzer in an uncontrolled version flies 50 km, in managed on 80 km.

If, as you wrote, the projectile does not have an accelerator, then how can it fly 60% farther than without controllability due to controllability? That is, in these shells there are accelerators, and these are not even shells anymore, but more rockets fired from the cannon.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Rave! This is impossible.

And nevertheless, they fly 8))) They are simply sub-caliber high-explosive fragmentation, and therefore have a significantly higher initial speed.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

If, as you wrote, the projectile does not have an accelerator, then how can it fly 60% farther than without controllability due to controllability?

Easy. It's just that his trajectory is not ballistic. By the way, our UAS also do not fly ballistic. True, there it is connected with the features of the seeker and the permissible cloud cover.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Spade

And nevertheless, they fly 8))) They are simply sub-caliber high-explosive fragmentation, and therefore have a significantly higher initial speed.

That is, they weigh only 10-15 kg and carry 1-1,5 kg of explosives? Is the game worth the candle?

Quote: Spade

Easy. It's just that his trajectory is not ballistic. By the way, our UAS also do not fly ballistic. True, there it is connected with the features of the seeker and the permissible cloud cover.

That is, most of the trajectory flies in the stratosphere? But do you know, misters, that at an altitude of 10-18 km there are almost always jet currents of 50-100 m / s, which will VERYLY affect the trajectory of your LIGHT APPLICATION shells? The Germans, of course, fired stratospheric shells, but they fired shells 10-15 times heavier than yours, and their ballistics was cardinally better than fluffy light bullets, subcaliber 10-15 kg shells.

[sabakina]

Kuzya, if anything, I'm for you! They are the core of the bomb and then stolen from the Fritz. They have no brains, NO!

[Korax71]

In the best case, the fascists have uranium and scientists stolen. And as far as brains are concerned, that I see we have a lot of brains, but we can’t build a normal car. And equipment for the extraction of hard-to-recover minerals , although we get a lot of things. in terms of IT technologies, it’s better to be completely silent.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

That is, they weigh only 10-15 kg and carry 1-1,5 kg of explosives?

No data. But obviously more than a kilogram.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

That is, most of the trajectory flies in the stratosphere?

[Mih1974]

And what is much more important - and what is there from such a "shell" flies? %) I understand and respect that 155, that 152, but for 80 from the "shell" read everything and fly or "lemon" or no fragments and "cardboard".

[Dante]

2С35 "Coalition-SV"
Classification Self-propelled howitzer
weaponry
Caliber and brand of gun 152 mm 2A88 [2]
Type of gun threaded howitzer
Barrel length, 52 calibers
Ammunition gun 70 Corners GN, city. 360 pcs.
Firing range up to 70km
Machine gun 12,7 mm Cord

[Sands Careers General]

They only intend, and Russia already has a Coalition-SV.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sands Career General

They only intend, and Russia already has a Coalition-SV.

So far, only in the prototype ... God forbid, by the year 20, and the series will be. And she just declared the maximum range of 70 km, which is paired with the modernized Msta-S, a very weighty argument.

[Sands Careers General]

Two batteries are already there, now it remains to put on stream))

And mattress covers only scratch turnips so that we can make up such a thing, so that everyone gasps, and run to buy, pushing competitors with their elbows

[Herculesic]

Their loot, let them do it! But this is why it is wise to put a more powerful and long-barreled cannon on the chassis from the paladin! True, when fired, it will swing strongly, but the crew can then be transferred to the fleet because on land they will already heal from seasickness!

[Mih1974]

Dear, in addition to "swinging" the big gun "will be much like a big rollback. Look how MSTA-S" crouches ", and the" paladin "from such a fool that they put on the" coalition "- or turn over or ass "digs to death

[APASUS]

I don’t even doubt the ability of the Americans to create a serious weapon, but ............... how much will it cost to develop and is this a miracle of engineering equipment using the Stealth technology? The Americans have recently that what’s new is the cost that a skyscraper

[Chichikov]

So, the successes of the Russian defense industry, without making loud statements, lead to unbridled expenditure of funds of the superpower, due to the arms race. The whole logic is that for each of our rubles, they have to invest a hundred dollars.

[san4es]

... Cinema about different self-propelled guns (with TTX)

[Dez_mond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCUeItvovs) а у нас есть такие снаряды

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Dez_mond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCUeItvovs) а у нас есть такие снаряды

You have a lot of things that no one else needs ...

[sabakina]

In the United States, work began on the creation of a self-propelled howitzer, which should surpass all existing artillery mounts of this class in the world

Someone in Germany in 1945 also dreamed of a miracle weapon. How did it end?

[Mih1974]

they did MYF No, of course IT couldn’t get anywhere, much less fight, but wait a minute - it delivers. And if you read that there was a German gloomy genius in the "non-separable mechanism for mounting armor" - oooh it’s worse than the tiger’s “chess rinks”, for which tank mechanics were eager for practical training

[K-50]

I remember that he lived like that almost 80 years ago, Adolfik Hitler, too, everything was worn with a wonder prodigy, a miracle weapon, like with a written shell. As a result, shot himself / poisoned. I don’t hint at anything, but analogies are visible.
We'll have to bury America soon too.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Yes, it’s cheaper and more efficient to send attack aircraft squadrons that drop 50 tons of bombs and missiles at the enemy’s position in a few seconds, which is equivalent to a thousand 155 mm caliber shells. Churchill also laughed at the Germans who raved about the FAU-2, because the cost of the FAU-2 was more expensive than the “Lancaster”, which carried 4 tons of bombs and which still had a very good chance of returning, while the FAU-2 carried only one ton explosives.

[strannik1985]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Yes, it’s cheaper and more efficient to send attack aircraft squadrons that drop 50 tons of bombs and missiles at the enemy’s position in a few seconds, which is equivalent to a thousand 155 mm caliber shells.

Will aviation hit the target at any time of the day, in any weather, seconds or tens of seconds after the coordinates are submitted?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Sure! For your information, modern combat aircraft does not depend on the time of day or weather!

[strannik1985]

Straight all-all? And circling the battlefield 24/7?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Sure! There are sights in different modes, and not just in visible light. Yes, and they can blindly bomb on a tip.

[strannik1985]

They can, most often for planned purposes, and artillery provides preparation for an attack, support, and support for infantry.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: K-50

We'll have to bury America soon too.

Let's not talk about the funeral of America ...
Four (FOUR !!!) bury the coming dill for a year, and all the same ... That shirt is short, something else interferes.

[K-50]

Quote: Separ DNR

Four (FOUR !!!) years bury reaching dill

And what to bury her? She herself will be buried soon. there you’re boiling again for the chair of the “president” will begin when they send Petya to the toilet, that you can safely stock up on popcorn. It will be a pity for peaceful people to fall under the hand, especially women and children.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: K-50

And what to bury her? She herself will be buried soon.

I repeat: The notorious "Soon", we hear from 2014 ...

[Mih1974]

And I'm sorry that there is still "living" in Ukria? I’m not joking or mocking, I really don’t understand what Ukraine has from the Country: The law doesn’t exist, the porn sector takes out and kicks the judge, the murderers who do not even deny the perfect murder are released, robberies, violence, rape - reached the level of the times of Petryur and Makhno, the police are no longer Law enforcement agencies, their local name is "police officers", medicine - I'm sorry, but you can't write anything without a mat (and I can’t already be locked up), training is even less than about medicine. What’s there - the main structure, the SBU - is already almost openly abducting and trafficking people, when there in the summer they "tried to return several kilometers of the border to control" -refire "cinema and the Germans" and I'm not talking about Novorossia, it's about Western Ukraine. Maybe VNA Ukraine has a banking system - yes yes, after stealing a robbed Kolomoisky bank into the state, you don’t even have to stutter about the banking system.
Recognize that Ukraine has already died (whatever they sing in the anthem), but nobody wants to "touch their remains" because it "stinks" and can be "infected". If you consider the sign of "not dead" - the ongoing civil war, then you are mistaken, look at Libya - the massacre is even worse there, but so far no one wants to tackle the "corpse of Libya", it is "rotting" in itself. Actually, what is happening in Ukraine. There is very little left before the internal collapse into “specific areas” along the borders of the national gangs

[Yuriy_999]

Do not believe me - still alive. And a lot of ordinary people who believe that Russia is to blame.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Yuri_999

Do not believe me - still alive.

And shoots ...

[gerkost2012]

You should have less faith in the TV show where D Kulikov is yelling. The main task that Washington has set for Kiev, that is, to start a war with Russia and to spoil the election and the 2018 World Cup, Ukraine will fulfill with its APU. I have a 6-8 km front and a hole in the door from shelling in the winter of 2015. If it starts, then new destruction and casualties will be monstrous. While the teams and the showdown "answer or wait", and the noise and din on TV with pictures of the horrors of war, will pass, they will pass this distance like a knife through oil. The numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the DLNR army is very great. And then how to knock them out of the urban conglomerate? Turn it into ruins? Call for UN Security Council? OSCE?
Russian Foreign Ministry to declare regular protests? That's what Kiev with its sponsors and chefs counts on.

[Dormidont]

No wunderwaffle will save them

[Alex-a832]

If technology wasn’t pioneered by the Coalition, then they will be busy for a long time. For decades, Amers have not carried out ground operations with self-propelled artillery. Orthillery technology did not develop. Their tactics over the past decades are to attack a much weaker enemy, who can be ironed with impunity from the air, and then send motorized infantry and tanks to clean up what remains. Degraded.

[Geisenberg]

There is nothing special to pioneer. Just a well-designed installation. If you would like you would have done the same for a long time.

[Alex-a832]

At the expense of mechanics, I have no doubt that they are blind and even an automatic loader will be adequate. But on the trunk to the new self-propelled guns, the question is, since they swung 70 km. The technology will not be solved overnight, for this there must be a mass of tested developments. If only he’s lucky, like a lottery.

[strannik1985]

Quote: Alex-a832

If technology wasn’t pioneered by the Coalition, then they will be busy for a long time.

At the development stage, everything is fine with them, for example, modular charges for automatic loading appeared on the Cruzaders. The problem is at the stage of introduction into the series; they cannot share the money.

[Machete]

In my humble opinion, it’s stupid to create "the latest ultramodern" weapons based on outdated ones.
It is necessary to saw a new platform. And these are already years of development.
And it just looks like a new cut.

[-ш-]

uh, shaw, again?

[Vkd dvk]

I strongly suspect that they will not do without stealth technologies.
To undertake work worth less than a milliad is not to respect yourself.

[Mih1974]

[media = https: //ok.ru/video/41971944161] What did you see? Who can explain the coalition in the face for the “chemodana”? It seems to be out of the ordinary and in the parades this was not.

[Berkut24]

You give the land analogue of F-35!

[Chukcha]

Something HERE reminded. )))
1. Running gear
2. Anti-fragmentation lining.
And there you look and add fluff.

[Graz]

another cut of the defense budget, and zilch will come out like everything they have in recent years 10-15

[proletarian]

Wait, I don’t understand; that is, all FSA’s “praised” artillery systems are inferior in range and accuracy to the “ancient” PION, or HYACINTH, those times if they themselves admit that even when using their “super-duper” ammunition their weapons are “ Stone Age ", then in which case what can we talk about with them?
After all, even Kim Jong-un sent them to the “fifth point” stating that not recognizing the DPRK as a nuclear power would not be able to eliminate its nuclear shield.
Correct if something happens.

[Grigory_45]

In the United States, work began on the creation of a self-propelled howitzer, which should surpass all existing artillery mounts of this class in the world

Yeah, once the Americans were already developing a miracle howitzer. XM2001 The Cruzader was her name. And also to replace the “Paladin”, oddly enough)) Then the “Cruiser” was replaced by NLOS. Is she the most? ..

[ventel]

Yes I read some and a smile appeared. I’m wondering whoever wants to look into the carnation and whether it is acacia to look at the gunner’s place. But they discuss the work of the charging American, but they don’t see the gunner’s work sitting at the computer. And as for the design school, you heard about Professor BULL because he created such systems as G5 and other systems for Western Europe and China. But here on the site, except for vicious comments, you no longer hear, but before there were people on the site who could explain the advantages and cons of weapons or promising developments.

[Mih1974]

Well, personally - no, but there is a video from it. About unnecessary rate of fire - it’s you who talk with those who are really fighting, and only then write that it is not needed. Also, you did not provide any evidence of the "concession of Russian Art to the American exactly", and what if such a "concession is present" what would it be - significant (rather than 20 cm).

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ventel

In anti-tank artillery, the rate of fire may be important, but accuracy is more important for a howitzer

What is all this in the world for rate of fire cut? And there are two reasons:
1. You will shoot slowly, the enemy will either have time to take cover, and you will turn empty terrain into a lunar landscape,
2. Or have time to arrange a return "gift" for you. It is good in our time to determine the place from where the fire is being fired, not a big problem.
With a serious adversary the only way is to shoot back at the maximum pace and quickly fall down, until the answer arrives. This is if the enemy is Papuans, there is nothing to answer him with, then you can roll out the guns almost direct fire and slowly and methodically drive him into the ground.
Accuracy, no doubt, has not been canceled for howitzers, but rate of fire is a very important indicator for self-propelled guns.

[ventel]

You look at how much the rate of fire has increased and how much the means of reconnaissance, communications, and location have advanced. And you will see that the main criterion is the accuracy of the shooting since an unpressed firing point can decide the outcome of the battle. And this applies as a serious adversary as you express yourself and Papuan. Yes, the exercises can work out the actions of counter-firing with the involvement of subdivision, but in a real combat situation such cooperation is purely random than the rule.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ventel

You will see how much the rate of fire has increased and how much the means of reconnaissance, communications, geolocation have advanced

You are trying to pull the ears of theory to the result.
How much increased rate of fire? Up to 12-15 rounds / min - this is the limit for howitzers with a caliber of 152/155 mm. You can’t jump above your head and physical limitations.
Therefore, the improvement paths go, naturally, in other directions - process automation, accuracy and firing range.
Cause and effect should not be confused

Quote: ventel

Yes, the exercises may work on the action of counter-firing with subdivision, but in a real combat situation, this interaction is purely random.

Have you come up with?

[Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich]

Sculpted a B-1A bomber ... (} | {oops)
Modeled F-35 fighter ... (} | {oops)
They made an M-60 machine gun ... (} | {oops)
They stuck helicopter Comanche ... (} | {oops)
They sculpted Zamvolt ... (} | {oops)
20 years mold replacement M-16 / M-4 ...
(also} | {oops)

[aszzz888]

... Hollywood has not yet been canceled in meritosia ... ... and skunks used to emit less substances with a foul odor ... apparently the ecology in the meritosia wants to remain the best ...

[Gray brother]

Golovan Jack,

What you call a "cartridge" is called a "charge." Or, in your picture - "cap."
You are also calling a light bulb "chandelier", probably ...

I'm not a gunner - I can.

[k_ply]

In fact, they revive their “Cruiser” 155 / L52, well, a little more work. The program did not become relevant at the time, but against the background of the Russian “Coalition” 2C35 and the stubbornly outdated “Paladins-A6 / A7” 155 / L39 (although sufficient in the opinion of the SV command to directly support units), pinned.

[gerkost2012]

It is difficult to understand that something fundamentally new can be created in classical artillery! Barrel, bolt, carriage, tractor or self-propelled guns ... Aiming according to UAV or satellite data. Although the compass is indispensable. "I scored the charge tightly in the cannon and thought I would treat my friend .." The question is what kind of projectile the self-propelled guns (i.e. the cannon) will fire. Note that the conflict in the Donbass, in the absence of the use of aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic, showed a lack of power of the main caliber of 152mm, more is needed. At least 203mm, and even better 230mm. Sea crushing caliber. And then, while Moscow is raving about the Minsk agreements, dill has so many trenches, holes and dugouts in the Donbass that it will be difficult to drive them out.

[Grigory_45]

ability to hit targets at a distance of up to 70 kilometers

Honestly, it’s not at all clear why shoot at such ranges. Yes, it is possible, they threw the shell further. but what does it result in? The complication of self-propelled guns, special shells - at such ranges are only adjustable (expensive), someone uses sub-caliber shells to increase their range (for which, for obvious reasons, the power barely exceeds that of a three-inch shell). And for what? To throw "at least something" far? It’s not easier to use missiles (MLRS, OTRK) for this - does it fly further, more warheads? 152/155 mm caliber artillery should cover an area of ​​up to 50 km (dead zone of the OTRK), the rest is clearly an excess

[Ivanov IV]

We have not seen in the work "Coalition". So far, only one talk ....
It seems that the Americans can surpass.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ivanov IV

We have not seen in the work "Coalition"

where were you supposed to see her? At the firing ranges self-propelled guns shot. She also shot in a double-barreled version. Forgot to invite you? Byad .. ((
Have you seen the Americans intercept satellites and ballistic missiles? Also not seen. But you must believe ...