Indonesia expects to receive the first Su-35 fighter from Russia in August

Indonesia expects to acquire 11 Su-35 aircraft under the upcoming contract with Russia, the first deliveries are expected in August of this year, the Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Vahid Supriyadi said.

We expect that in August we will receive at least one aircraft, since at this time we are celebrating Independence Day.

- said Supriyadi. The ambassador noted that the upcoming contract involves the supply of 11 aircraft.

The Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia said they did not comment on the progress of negotiations on the Su-35.

Indonesian Air Force Chief of Staff Yu Sutisna expressed the hope that the contract for the supply of Su-11 fighter jets from the Russian Federation 35 will be signed during January, Indonesian media 18 reported in January.

Earlier it was reported that Jakarta wants to acquire 10 Su-35 multipurpose fighter jets. They should replace the outdated American F-5 Tiger aircraft, which have been used by the Indonesian military since 1980. Later, Rostec reported that Indonesia had been presented with a commercial offer, which dealt with 11 aircraft.

Su-35 is a Russian multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter of the 4 ++ generation, equipped with an onboard radar with a phased antenna array, as well as thrust vector-controlled engines. It can reach speeds of up to 2,5 thousand km / h, its range reaches 3,4 thousand km, the combat radius is about 1,6 thousand km. The fighter is armed with a 30 caliber mm gun and has 12 suspension points for bombs and missiles.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

We kind of sell them for palm oil, half of the contract will be paid for by goods deliveries. Earlier, the Ministry of Commerce of Indonesia called in the nomenclature, in addition to palm oil, tea and coffee.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

We kind of sell them for palm oil.

This is not a sale, this is barter. Hope this is false information.

[cniza]

True, they plan to pay for planes in Jakarta not with real money, but according to a barter scheme. Instead of fighters, Indonesia will supply Russia with traditional export goods: tea, coffee, rubber, shoes, textiles and others.

It seems true, it all depends on the offset prices.

[Stas157]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

We kind of sell them for palm oil,

Exactly. I would forbid this palm oil! Why do people poison? It is very strange to sell advanced equipment for the poison of the population!

[cniza]

Disputes do not stop even for a day, but not only with us.

Four myths about palm oil
1. Palm oil is not digested, because it melts at a temperature above the temperature of the human body. This is not so, fats are digested in the human body not under the influence of temperatures.
2. In developed countries, palm oil is prohibited. This is not true, for example, 10% of palm oil produced is consumed by the United States.
3. Palm oil can be used only in the metallurgical industry and in soap making. In fact, palm oil has a wider range of uses. It is known that it was even used during the Second World War for the production of napalm. But this does not mean that it absolutely can not be used for food.
4. Palm oil is produced from the trunk of a palm tree. This is not true; it is made from the meaty part of the fruits of the oil palm.

[Stas157]

Quote: cniza

Four myths about palm oil

Apparently, you are a very knowledgeable and savvy person! Answer honestly, would you buy cheap palm oil ice cream for your children (grandchildren)? Would you buy cheese, cottage cheese and condensed milk for yourself, on the same palm?

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: cniza

Four myths about palm oil

Apparently, you are a very knowledgeable and savvy person! Answer honestly, would you buy cheap palm oil ice cream for your children (grandchildren)? Would you buy cheese, cottage cheese and condensed milk for yourself, on the same palm?

there is one caveat - when they talk about the harmlessness and even usefulness of palm oil, they miss that oil is of different quality. Here is digging -

In the food and technical industries, several types of palm oil are used. Here are the most common ones:

Red. The most natural thanks to a special production technology that preserves the maximum of useful substances. According to some researchers, the benefits of the product may be comparable to its olive counterpart.
Refined and deodorized product. Recycled and refined, colorless and odorless. It is he who is supplied to the food industry. Useful properties are the same as those of the original red oil, but less pronounced.
Technical oil. Used for the manufacture of cosmetics, soaps, lubricants and other products. Due to insufficient purification in the substance in a large amount are oxidized fats that can harm the body. The use of such a product for food production is prohibited.

And here the rule begins, formulated in the 19th century by the Englishman Dunning -
Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profit is available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10%, and the capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime that it would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will contribute to both.

I remember telling how ento oil was transported in tanks that were not at all intended for this ... so the best option would be to ban it. Let the cosmetics be released - that’s it, it scratched everything and then this muck, if untreated in the body, accumulates. Especially for baby food is strongly discouraged.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Yuyuka

Let the cosmetics out - there it is scratched and that's it,

So yes, but something tells us that the ladies will be against ...

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: Yuyuka

Let the cosmetics out - there it is scratched and that's it,

So yes, but something tells us that the ladies will be against ...

scratch yourself ??

[CAT BAIYUN]

So yes, but something tells us that the ladies will be against ...

Of course, I will not get out and position myself as a great connoisseur of ladies, but tell them (ladies) that cosmetics on palm oil really rejuvenates and smoothes wrinkles (no matter where) - they will consume it no matter what !!!

[Kasym]

So it was, they offered palm oil. A contract for a little more than 1,1 billion. Recently, they wrote for a contract for 48 F-16s for 4,5 billion .. Well, understand these Indonesians.

[donavi49]

They have a massive renewal of the park. Old types write off, new types are introduced.

They do not want to put everything in one basket. Therefore, they bought the T-50 instead of the old Hawks, and not the Anchors, for example. Park Su decided to complement the most advanced. Well, the Americans made a fuss with a good contract 24 + 48 Ф-16 upgraded to Block50 / 52. That will allow to write off the rest of the old cars including F5.

As a result, they will have a strong core of F-16 and Sukhoi + T-50 + SuperTukano + a good auxiliary fleet, which is also being updated (they seem to even want a small AWAC based on Embraer or small-boing - but used).

[Kasym]

You probably mixed up the T-50 with the Su-35. They have the Su-27SK and Su-30MK in service.
I meant that they have no finances. They want oil for the Su-35, but they don’t have money for 48 b \ F-16s, as I understood from yesterday’s article. These additional 48 units. F-16, as soon as they find the money - 4,5 billion dollars ..

[Don]

Quote: Kasym

You probably mixed up the T-50 with the Su-35.

he did not confuse anything. T-50 - training aircraft

[donavi49]

T-50 - this is in the picture, TCB. Instead of old hawks. They chose between the Elks, M-346, Anchor and T-50.

For Americans, the question is financing. This will be either a soft loan, or a special program (part for nothing - part dough or credit guarantees), or they will find money, which is unlikely.

[Kasym]

Thank. Clear.

[zyzx]

Doo, to serve such a zoo, the dream of any plumber.

[Safer]

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

We kind of sell them for palm oil.

This is not a sale, this is barter. Hope this is false information.

Almost sure not lying. Dumping is one of the surest ways to conquer markets. Yes, we are unlikely to get even half of the market price of the Su-35 by means of this barter, only for the complete sets of engines and armaments they will have to pay far not to barters and not even at low prices, which is much more likely to be overpriced. What about the service? Nobody will teach them to service equipment for palm oil.

[siberalt]

Yeah. SU-35 in exchange for the supply of coffee and palm oil to Russia.

[vkl.47]

It feels like you all read the contract

[NEXUS]

Let them buy ... because buying planes is not all, there is also service and timely modernization. And this is also money. And spit dollars or goods.

[cniza]

And for these things they will pay real money, as well as training pilots and those. staff.

[SPLV]

Quote: NEXUS

buying airplanes is not all; there is also service

Oh, you also remembered the grandfather of Henry Ford!

[RussianUzbek]

Loading production is no longer a bad thing.

[A.Kaledin]

Quote: siberalt

Yeah. SU-35 in exchange for the supply of coffee and palm oil to Russia.

Are coffee and butter worth nothing?

[A.Kaledin]

Quote: RussianUzbek

Loading production is no longer a bad thing.

Speak the truth !!! Few people understand that making a profit from the sale of weapons is only one goal out of many ... And paradoxically it is not the main thing ... The USSR distributed its military products to everyone who wanted Papuans for bananas and simply on credit, although they were well aware that the Papuans had nothing to repay the loan ... The main goal is to keep production and personnel.

[Moscow landing]

[quote = Stas157] Apparently, you are a very knowledgeable and savvy person! Answer honestly, would you buy cheap palm oil ice cream for your children (grandchildren)? Would you buy cheese, cottage cheese and condensed milk for yourself, on the same palm?
Russia is a poor country and we cannot consume dairy products only from milk, it is expensive. Unfortunately, despite the howls about import substitution, our milk production is declining rather than growing, so the exchange for palm oil is reasonable.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Russia is a poor country

Do not tell my slippers !!!!
the fact that Russia has not risen so far from its knees after the collapse of the USSR does not at all (!) say that it is poor. The fact that she is fucked up by everyone who is not lazy also does not speak about her poverty.
With the union of palm oil, in my opinion, something was lubricated in the rocket mines, but that is not the point.
Tell me, under comrade Stalin, how long would it take to bring order to the regulation of production processes in the food industry? Would you manage in a year? Not in a year, so in two. And, you see, the process would have begun ... Starting from agriculture and ending with the sphere of trade.
Order is needed. And everything will be. Believe me.

[Lis_96]

It is not worth cooperating with them, they are unreliable.

[HEATHER]

The Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia said they did not comment on the progress of negotiations on the Su-35. It became serious. Let's wait. Under civil planes!