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100 years of the Declaration of the Rights of the Working and Exploited People

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100 years of the Declaration of the Rights of the Working and Exploited People

100 years ago, 25 January 1918, the Declaration of the Rights of the Working and Exploited People was adopted. It was one of the first and most important constitutional acts of Soviet Russia, which was aimed at legislative consolidation of the gains of the October Revolution and the proclamation of the basic principles and tasks of the socialist state.


The Great October Socialist Revolution for the first time in stories led to the elimination of the exploitation of man by man, of all forms of social and national oppression. The decisive historical decrees of the Soviet government on peace and land, written by V. Lenin and adopted by the 2nd All-Russian Congress of Soviets, played a decisive role in attracting the majority of the population of the city and village to the Bolsheviks. The Decree on Peace for the first time proclaimed the basic principles of the peace-loving foreign policy of the Soviet state, based on the principle of peaceful coexistence. The decree on land satisfied the age-old aspirations of the peasantry — the overwhelming majority of the Russian population; it created the conditions for a gradual transition to socialism in agriculture.

The election of the II All-Russian Congress of the Councils of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee (VTSIK) and the formation of the first Soviet government - the Council of People's Commissars (SNK), the laws on the creation of Soviet central institutions, the new court, the Workers' and Peasants Red Army, etc. laid the foundation for the construction of the Soviet state apparatus. The decrees abolishing the old ministries, the courts, the former army, the decree on combating sabotage and the dissolution of the counter-revolutionary parties undermined the rule of the former ruling classes and classes. The dictatorship of the working people was established.

Decrees of the Soviet government in the economic field - on the organization of workers' control over the production and distribution of products, the nationalization of banks, large industrial enterprises, commercial fleet and others, undermined the economic base of the domination of the bourgeoisie and laid the foundation for the reorganization of the old economy on a socialist basis. In particular, on December 14 (27), 1917, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee issued a decree on the nationalization of banks. By this act, the Bolsheviks broke the “backbone” of capitalism — the financial system. According to the plan of Vladimir Lenin, the nationalization of banks was necessary "to undermine the bourgeoisie’s dominance and the possibility of capital oppression over millions and tens of millions of working people." Nationalization extended to all joint-stock commercial banks, bank offices, mutual credit societies and joint-stock land banks. Assets and liabilities of liquidated banks were transferred to the State Bank. Soon, dividend payments on bank securities ceased. Banks' cash capitals were transferred to state ownership “on the basis of complete confiscation”: the withdrawal of money and precious metals from bank safes began. The People’s Commissariat of Finance, headed by Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, had to urgently organize a centralized financial and credit system. So, Russia was freed from financial dependence on the part of the “world community” and Russian capitalists. Created an independent financial and credit system, necessary for the normal development of the national economy, free from global and local “parasites."

The most important role in the nationalization of large-scale industry and the transition to the socialist principles of organization of the national economy was played by the decree on the organization of the Higher Council of the National Economy, initiated by Lenin. The creation of the Supreme Economic Council and local councils of the national economy laid the foundation for the creation of a new, yet unseen in history, type of apparatus for managing the entire national economy of the country. "... The apparatus of the type of the Supreme Council of the National Economy," noted V. Lenin, "is destined to grow, develop and strengthen, filling with itself all the main activities of an organized society."

Along with the solution of the fundamental, strategic tasks of the socialist revolution, the Soviet government also carried out tasks that were not completed by the February bourgeois-democratic revolution. A number of decrees eliminated landowner land tenure, class division, separated the church from the state, introduced the equality of women with men, and ended the remnants of semi-feudal relations in the social structure of Russia. The Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia, which laid the foundations of the Soviet national policy, became an important state act. Also in the decrees of the Soviet government did not forget about the situation of the working people. The laws on labor protection of workers and employees, on streamlining wages, on insurance against unemployment, sickness, etc., were aimed at improving the material conditions of workers. It is clear that in the conditions of the consequences of the collapse and ruin, the losses of world war, civil war, the collapse of the country and the intervention, there was no need to talk about a real improvement in the financial situation of the people. But in general, these measures were sent to the future.

The conquests of the socialist revolution were legislatively enshrined in the Declaration of the Rights of the Working and Exploited People, written by Lenin. The declaration was submitted to them by the Central Executive Committee and 3 (16) of January 1918, unanimously adopted. 5 (18) January 1918, the Bolshevik faction on behalf of the Soviet government submitted a declaration to the discussion of the Constituent Assembly, but it refused to consider it. 12 (25) of January, the draft declaration was approved by the 3rd All-Russian Congress of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies with some editorial changes. After the unification of the 3rd All-Russian Congress of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies with the 3rd All-Russian Congress of Peasant Deputies, the declaration was again approved by 18 (31) in January of 1918 by the joint Congress of Soviets. At the suggestion of V.I. Lenin, it was included as an introductory section in the draft of the first Constitution of the RSFSR, adopted on July 10, 1918, by the V All-Russian Congress of Soviets.

The declaration consisted of 4 sections. In the 1 section, the political foundations of the Soviet socialist state were established. Russia was proclaimed a republic of Soviets of workers, soldiers and peasants' deputies, who hold all power in the center and in the localities. The Soviet Republic was established on the basis of the free union of free nations as a federation of Soviet national republics.

2 section determined the main task of the socialist state, which consisted in the destruction of all exploitation of man by man, the complete elimination of the division of society into classes, the merciless suppression of the exploiters, the establishment of the socialist organization of society and the victory of socialism.

Further, the first successes of Soviet power in building a socialist society were recorded: 1) socialization of the land with the abolition of private ownership of land, the entire land fund became the common property and was transferred to the workers without redemption, on the basis of equalization land use. All forests, subsoil and waters of national importance, as well as exemplary estates and agricultural enterprises were declared national treasures; 2) the introduction of working control in factories, factories, mines, railways and other means of production and transport, the organization of the Supreme Economic Council. As a first blow to international financial capital, the Soviet law was considered to abolish (destroy) loans made by the tsarist and provisional governments; 3) confirmed the transfer of all banks to the ownership of the workers 'and peasants' state, as one of the conditions for the liberation of workers from the yoke of capital; 4) For the destruction of the parasitic strata of society and the organization of society, labor service was introduced; 5) To protect the gains of the revolution, the working people armed themselves, the Red Army was created, and the possessing classes were disarmed.

The 3 section of the Declaration reaffirmed the basic principles of the Soviet state’s foreign policy: the struggle for a democratic world without annexations and contributions, the abolition of secret treaties, respect for the national sovereignty of all peoples; a complete break with the barbaric policies of bourgeois civilization enslaving the working masses of the colonies and dependent countries; endorsed the proclaimed SNK independence of Finland, the withdrawal of troops from Persia, the declaration of freedom of self-determination of Armenia.

4-th section of the Declaration proclaimed that at the time of the decisive struggle of the people against its exploiters, the exploiting classes are excluded from participation in the management of the Soviet state. The power must belong entirely and exclusively to the working masses and their plenipotentiary representation — the Soviets of Workers', Soldiers' and Peasants' Deputies. The declaration emphasized that the Soviet power was limited to establishing the fundamental principles of the federation of the Soviet republics of Russia, providing an opportunity for the workers and peasants of each nation to make an independent decision on participation in the federal government and in other Soviet federal institutions.

Thus, on the planet for the first time a socialist state emerged that freed itself from social parasites (exploiters), oppressed some people by others, established social justice, thereby challenging "bourgeois civilization" and international financial capital (global parasites and predators). It was a breakthrough into the future, a chance not only of the peoples of a multinational Russian civilization, but of all mankind to a just world order without division into “elected” and “two-legged tools”.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 25 January 2018 06: 15
    +6
    Alas! Pro.s.s.ala elite all conquests! Only 8 working hours per day left!
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 25 January 2018 09: 42
      10
      Quote: Theodore
      Alas! Pro.s.r.ala elite all conquest ! Only 8 working hours per day left!

      They arranged October for us, and for themselves they preferred to live in the West: it is there that they live daughter-granddaughters of Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev, Suslov etc.
      Such are the so-called "conquest" of the so-called October. yes
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 10: 58
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        Olgovich Today, 09:42 ↑ New
        They arranged October for us, and for themselves they preferred to live in the West: it was there that the daughters-granddaughters of Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev, Suslov, etc. live.
        Well, where without Olgovich? He could not go through the theme of the Revolution and not throw shit on the fan ...
        Let it be known to you, dear, that during the lifetime of Stalin, ALL the children of the Soviet elite not only lived here, but also fought along with everyone, including the sons of Joseph Vissarionovich. Right now, you spat on the grave of Yakov Dzhugashvili and not just him. And who are you after that? I would tell you who, yes, they will immediately ban ...
        And the fact that after the death of Stalin came the scoundrel and traitor Khrushch, well, this is already a defect in Beria, unfortunately. By the way, for you, too, they were flawed, much to my regret.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 25 January 2018 11: 31
          +5
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          that during the life of Stalin, ALL the children of the Soviet elite not only lived here, but also fought along with everyone, including the sons of Joseph Vissarionovich.

          You murderous facts about the lives of children of ALL leaders in the West, can you refute? No.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Right now, you spat on the grave of Yakov Dzhugashvili and not just him.

          Only in your fancy imagination.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And who are you after that? I would tell you who, yes, they will immediately ban ...

          Here you are, and tell me. yes
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And the fact that after the death of Stalin came the scoundrel and traitor Khrushch, well, this is already a defect in Beria, unfortunately. By the way, for you, too, they were flawed, much to my regret.

          The traitor Khrushch, the traitor Beria (recognized by the court), the traitor Yezhov, the traitor Yagoda, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Rosenfeld, Rykov and other Leninist guards. Those. Thief committed, it turns out .... traitors ?! belay lol
          How does it not twist you from this cognitive dissonance? lol
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 12: 10
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            Olgovich Today, 11: 31 ↑
            You are the killer facts about the lives of the children of ALL leaders in the West, can you refute? No.
            What are these "killer facts"? What the hell is in your head instead of brains? In the days of the USSR, the children of leaders were in the USSR. This is information for the gifted, such as you. Can you challenge? Well, give me an example, when it was under Stalin, the children were abroad?
            But after the collapse of the USSR, children from all over the top rushed abroad, it’s true. Only by then, at the top of the USSR were the same national traitors as you yourself and your kind.
            And now tell us about the children of today's top, for which you here so advocate.
            How does it not twist you from this cognitive dissonance? lol
            How you can’t get you out of yourself, this is not clear. A cognitive dissonance is with you, not mine. fool
            1. Trapperxnumx
              Trapperxnumx 25 January 2018 12: 21
              +4
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              And now tell us about the children of today's top, for which you here so advocate.

              Please show me exactly where, when and how your opponent advocated for "today's kids." I will be very grateful for the above quote. In the absence of such, I will consider you an idiot and a talker.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 12: 29
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                Trapper7 Today, 12:21 ↑
                Please show me exactly where, when and how your opponent advocated for "today's kids."
                First of all, are you Olgovich’s lawyer? No? So let him answer for himself. Or are you his reincarnation?
                Secondly, did you study at school? My phrase sounded like this:
                And now tell us about the children of today's top, for which you here so advocate.
                That is, the top itself was meant, for which Olgovich was just advocating. What is not clear?
                In caseю the absence of such I will consider you hollow and talker.
                I don’t give a damn who you consider me to be there! Who are you so that your opinion of me has any meaning?
                1. Trapperxnumx
                  Trapperxnumx 25 January 2018 13: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  That is, the top itself was meant, for which Olgovich was just advocating. What is not clear?


                  I never once saw Olgovich advocate for today's elite and do not like it when people start talking about people that they did not.
                  I apologize for my rejection of your remarks.
                  All the best to you.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 25 January 2018 12: 41
              +4
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              In the days of the USSR, the children of leaders were in the USSR.

              You are depressingly illiterate: Stalin's daughter Svetlana Allileva fled to the United States during the USSR, just like the son of Khrushchev, both US citizens
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              But after the collapse of the USSR, children from all over the top rushed abroad, it’s true. Only by then, at the top of the USSR were the same national traitors as you yourself and your kind.

              Andropov, Suslov, the MAIN ideologist of the Communist Party, Brezhnev, are all traitors? lol fool
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              And now tell us about the children of today's top, for which you here so advocate.

              belay fool
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 13: 29
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                Olgovich Today, 12: 41 ↑
                You are depressingly illiterate: Stalin's daughter Svetlana Allileva fled to the United States during the USSR, just like the son of Khrushchev, both US citizens
                You are illiterate. And your pathetic attempts to pull an owl on the globe are simply ridiculous. And Aliluyeva and Khrushchev, this is more the exception than the rule. While their fathers were alive, they were here. Then, as a result of internal party coups, Stalin was first removed from the pedestal, and then Khrushchev himself. As a result, their children left the country due to the circumstances of the internal political struggle. So this example is past the box office.

                And I never heard from you an intelligible answer to the question of why the children of the Soviet elite did not please you. Well, let's put on the children of today's "elite", but you have an ardent crystal baker, so tell us how the children of the royal "elite" became famous, and that they did not run abroad?
                I repeat, you are just trying to throw manure on a fan. The children of the Soviet elite were orders of magnitude better than the children of the royal elite or today's thieves.
                So here it is fool twist at home ...
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 25 January 2018 14: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  You are illiterate. And your pathetic attempts to pull an owl on the globe are simply ridiculous. And Aliluyeva and Khrushchev, this is more the exception than the rule.

                  What are these exceptions ?! there were just a few of them and ALL children in the West.
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  . As a result, their children left the country due to the circumstances of the internal political struggle. So this example is past the box office.

                  This girl alliluyeva, who poured mud over her country, fundamentally abandoning everything Russian, did it because of the internal political struggle? And her daughter (granddaughter of Stalin) show you? What's wrong with you? fool The same son Khrushchev directly "tortured" the poor. lol
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  And I never heard from you an intelligible answer to the question of why the children of the Soviet elite did not please you

                  My friend, I repeat ONCE AGAIN: They arranged October for US, and for MYSELF they preferred to live in the West
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  what the children of the royal "elite are famous for

                  A textbook example is the Emperor’s family: wife, 4 daughters, adopted daughter, both sisters, wife’s sister — served as ROCC sisters of mercy in WWI. This has never happened anywhere in the world, especially among relatives of the Bolshevik bonzes.
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  I repeat, you are just trying to throw manure on a fan.
                  Only the FACTS, my friend. Unpleasant?
                  But you are there — FAST! :lol: yes
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 25 January 2018 18: 55
                    +8
                    yeah yeah olgovich .. the empress worked directly with her daughters tirelessly .. bandaged the wounded. the vessel took out. She was washing her clothes ... as you were a chatterbox, so they remained .. here for example is the story of Mikoyan’s children — the one who was from Ilyich to Ilyich .. Stepan, born in 1922, test pilot. He went to the front as a volunteer, was shot down in battle, wounded. Honored Pilot of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General. Vladimir, born in 1924, fighter pilot. He went to the front as a volunteer. Three months before the front, he worked in the aviation inspectorate, circled both our and Messershmites’ planes. In 1942 he was shot down in battle and went missing. Aleksey, born in 1926, volunteered for the front, a pilot. Combat lieutenant general, commander of a regiment, division, corps, district. Vano, born in 1929, aircraft designer, worked for forty-six years at the Mikoyan Design Bureau, in recent years - deputy chief designer. Sergo, born in 1931, graduated from the Institute of International Relations, I’m a specialist in Latin America. I can add here his brother, Vano Mikoyan, what is KB MIG I hope I don’t need to explain to anyone. Well, Stas Namin is his grandson. On the other line, of course, but also a person .. and now give me the same description of whom nor be from the king’s inner circle ...
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 19: 18
                      +4
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      the Empress worked directly with her daughters tirelessly .. bandaged the wounded. the vessel took out. She washed the clothes ... as you were a chatterbox, so they remained ..

                      Forgive me for my harshness, but you are the chatterbox. The empress and the princesses really worked in the hospital without sparing themselves.
                      With the outbreak of the First World War, the Red Cross community sanatorium in Tsarskoe Selo was also converted into a hospital for the wounded. At the end of 1914, under the Community, courses were organized to train sisters of mercy, which were headed by Baroness E.A. Wrangel. In 1915, at the height of the war, Alexandra Fedorovna, together with her eldest daughters Olga and Tatiana, were trained in nursing by Princess V.I. Gedroits, and then assisted her in operations as surgical nurses. AA Vyrubova recalled: “The Empress and Grand Duchesses were present at all operations. Standing behind the surgeon, the Empress, like every operating nurse, handed in sterilized instruments, cotton wool and bandages, took away the amputated legs and arms, bandaged gangrene wounds ... ”. The Grand Duchess Tatyana Nikolaevna also noted in her diary: “Saturday, September 13, 1914 <...> Today I had two operations, my yesterday's Girsenok, they cut his leg and took out pieces of shattered bone, and then Olgin Ogurtsov did the same from his right hand the most ... ". Empress Alexandra Feodorovna wrote about her work in the infirmary: “Thank God that we, at least, have the opportunity to bring some relief to the suffering and can give them a sense of home comfort in their solitude. So I want to warm and support these brave men and replace them with their loved ones who are unable to be around them! "

                      http://tzar.ru/museums/martial_chamber/nicholas_I
                      I
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 January 2018 02: 46
                        +5
                        the opportunity to bring some relief to the afflicted and we can give them a sense of home comfort in their loneliness.
                        Interestingly, what do you write on social networks about your work, if it comes to this?
                        "Today, was at the operation ...." Do you understand the difference, the words, was? That is, she stood, looked, was curious. What hard work ?! !! Farther. A. Vyrubova, in general, with her noble brain understands what she writes? Amputated limbs are taken out after the operation, operating nurses, and the instruments serve medical nurses, also surgical ones. The principles of asepsis and antiseptics were then known. It is not possible to be a nurse and a surgical nurse at the same time. Although, no, perhaps, of course, for her. You’ll think about sepsis later. Yes, surgical chalk nurse, this is a professional with a capital P. It seems from the side that everything is simple, give a tool, but give it. I just imagined for a second how many mats the surgeon had in his mind when she “helped” him! And further. I wonder how much time, Your Highness, stood? Operations last for several hours. Not at her age, and without preparation to lag behind all the time.
                        In general, from A. Vyrubova, venopodian lyso-observance, and from you, hypocrisy.
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 26 January 2018 07: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        In general, from A. Vyrubova, venopodian lyso-observance, and from you, hypocrisy.

                        Who is interested in your speculation?
                        There is meritorious evidence of the leading Russian surgeon Gedroits, whom you are not good for so much.
                      3. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 25
                        +5
                        yeah. where did you see their work? the fact that she was present at the operations? moreover, from her memories .. I recall the soldier of sewing and the baroness who visited them in the hospital.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 January 2018 07: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      yeah yeah olgovich

                      Leave me alone, a lover of the below-mentioned topics, I ARE DISTRESSING to communicate with you.
                      How many times to send?
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 27
                        +4
                        nea olgovich. I beat and I will beat liars and scoundrels ..
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 January 2018 09: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      nea olgovich. I beat and I will beat liars and scoundrels ..

                      Myself You beat with your own ignorance and ignorance. lol
                      Once again, you! yes
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 32
                        +4
                        don’t let go ... the voice of the people is the voice of God ... if you hadn’t removed the minus, you would have been banned forever and for a very long time ..
                    4. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 January 2018 07: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      don’t let go ... the voice of the people is the voice of God ... if you hadn’t removed the minus, you would have been banned forever and for a very long time ..

                      Again I am sending you from me! yes
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 27 January 2018 08: 23
                        +4
                        will not help .. I’ll drive you out of here ... so as not to stink on the site ..
                    5. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 January 2018 12: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      will not help. I will drive you out of here .. so that it does not stink on the site ..

                      lol laughing
                      A working gauntlet of obsessive sticking! yes laughing
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 27 January 2018 16: 08
                        +5
                        correctly. I'm a worker, you stuck. kick in the ass liars and bastards ..
                      2. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 27 January 2018 18: 25
                        +4
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        A working gauntlet of obsessive sticking!

                        Olgovich, when did you manage to fall in love with work gloves? You didn’t take workers to the spirit. Is it really shifts in your mind? Then you still have ten years left "cook in a factory boiler" and you will no longer be Olgovich, and the real proletarian and you will put pluses with us to the authors of pro-Soviet views.
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 January 2018 23: 23
                        +3
                        Voooot! Olgovich for the second time pleases us with such a cool poster and presents himself as a worker in gloves !!! I have already praised him for this poster, so he duplicated it! I printed a poster !!!!!
                    6. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 28 January 2018 08: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      correctly. I'm a worker, you stuck. kick in the ass liars and bastards ..



                      yes
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 28 January 2018 13: 47
                        +2
                        Olgovich again repeated the poster with the worker. Remarkably, that means he recognizes the dictatorship of the proletariat.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 29 January 2018 15: 25
                        0
                        This is already the third poster of Olgovich with a worker! I'm glad! But I really hope that Olgovich will print other interesting ones!
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 January 2018 08: 43
                    +3
                    Who is interested in your speculation?

                    Why speculation, this is an opinion. My. And unlike you, I know what the operating room smells like. Decent surgical honey. sister, obtained with constant work, after about three years. Some, with all the allegedly ease of manipulation, they never become. This is not easy, one must foresee the actions of the surgeon. All this comes with experience. During, of the same amputation, the surgeon is fully focused on what he is doing and with a good “operating room”, he only needs to reach out, she knows what to put in there.
                    There is commendable evidence of the leading Russian surgeon Gedroits, whom.

                    Well, the surgeon, she may be excellent, but she flatters, godlessly flatters, Alexandra laughing
                    You are not good for soles

                    Interestingly, do you understand this or any other issue? lol
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 January 2018 09: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Why speculation, this is an opinion. My. And unlike you, I know what smells operating room.

                      You can know a lot of smelling lol places, it does not give the right to give derogatory assessments.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Well, the surgeon, she may be excellent, but she flatters, godlessly flatters, Alexandra

                      The best surgeon of Russia, absolutely disrespectful to the upper world, unloving autocracy. She also has a gritty derogatory assessment of some of the ladies who really clung to her.
                      Moreover, her praise is objective.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Interestingly, do you understand this or any other issue?

                      Her name is widely known, your-no.
                      Her assessment of the immediate leader is valuable, your ignorant zilch hi
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 January 2018 11: 30
                        +2
                        You can know a lot of smelling lol places, it does not give the right to give derogatory assessments.
                        Very funny. The operating room smells special, you don’t understand, you’re used to other smells. I did not give derogatory assessments to the respected doctor, and the Tsar’s Zhonka, including her husband, is guilty of millions of victims of WWI and the Civil War.
                        She also has a gritty derogatory assessment of some of the ladies who really clung to her.

                        Ladies are not a queen, is it really not clear? Although, about what, it's me .... request
                        Her assessment of the immediate leader is valuable, your ignorant zilch

                        The queen cannot be the immediate supervisor. fool I do not know what the structure was in this hospital, but the head of the surgeon Gedroits was clearly not Alexandra Fedorovna. fool Moreover, she worked there either as a nurse of the operating unit, or honey. sister. laughing Pshik, Olgovich wink
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 January 2018 11: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: avva2012
                      . I didn’t give any derogatory assessments to a respected doctor,

                      They gave. And it's disgusting.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Ladies are not a queen, is it really not clear?

                      For a tanker lol :
                      absolutely disrespectful high society, unloving autocracy
                      Quote: avva2012
                      The queen cannot be the immediate supervisor. I do not know what the structure was in this hospital, but the head of the surgeon Gedroits was clearly not Alexandra Fedorovna

                      the palace infirmary was precisely organized by Aleksanra Fedorovna-you and you don’t know.
                      And Vera Gedroits taught nurses at the training courses for sisters of mercy, including Empress and Princess. For the courses, she wrote a textbook, Conversations on Surgery for Sisters and Doctors, where she summarized her experience gained during the Russo-Japanese War.
                      She conducted operations where these women assisted. They also engaged in dressings, made beds and changed clothes for the wounded.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 January 2018 12: 02
                        +2
                        For a tanker

                        "the palace infirmary was precisely organized by Aleksanra Fedorovna"
                        "Vera Gedroits taught sisters, including the Empress and the princess, in training courses for sisters of mercy
                        "they were dressing, making beds and changing clothes for the wounded."
                        Have you ever worked somewhere or just scratched your tongue? The medical service of the Empire or the Russian Federation or any state has its own structure, the vertical of power in a different way. The direct head of the physician, she cannot be, even three times, the queen who organized him (manager?), And who first studied with the doctor, and then was engaged in sanitary work, if she did of course. I have a feeling that you have a thought in your head, like a crack on ice.
                        They gave. And it's disgusting.

                        "Vote"?
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 28 January 2018 02: 04
                        +3
                        Olgovich! OH! AH! AH! Sisters of mercy! And here on the website was an article from the Feed! Who was there? I EXACTLY remember that V.O. Shpakovsky was in the comments. The fact that at that time ordinary people did not respect a single bit of these high-ranking sisters and all sorts of bad words were said about them by the accusations. And quotes were given. HOW, however, it’s very unflattering about the tsar. And you are telling akazka here.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 25 January 2018 18: 18
            +1
            No, they just became REBECNERS.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 25 January 2018 09: 46
      +4
      Where? Sorry, but I don’t know anyone who would work 8 hours. If there is work
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 January 2018 23: 42
        +2
        I’m embarrassed to ask ----- Why does the lieutenant have no flag? Was he taken away? Or was he separated from the world?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 January 2018 03: 07
          +2
          Maybe you are logging in from a smartphone or tablet? Flags do not always appear there. But, and the lieutenant, even with the flag, even without, is still from another world.
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        2. long in stock.
          long in stock. 27 January 2018 08: 23
          +3
          its no country accepts .. probably disdain.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 27 January 2018 09: 54
            +2
            And now again there is a flag. Strange. Well, he probably writes all kinds of lies so that people would treat the country badly, that there would be doubts here.
            A real vile cunning enemy is not like the USSR, but the whole Russian world.
  2. venaya
    venaya 25 January 2018 06: 16
    +8
    ..the first time a socialist state appeared on the planet, which freed from social parasites (exploiters), oppression of some people by others, established social justice, thereby challenging "bourgeois civilization" and international financial capital ..

    What kind of normal person in all senses might not like such a construction of society? Unfortunately, a lot of apparently paid trolls, outright slaves of this same Finnish capital, who actually organizes the so-called "bourgeois civilization", naturally for their own selfish purposes, with the main goal of total control of the whole World, appeared on the site.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 January 2018 06: 58
      +9
      What kind of normal person in all senses might not like such a construction of society?


      Beautifully on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
      With all the advantages of the social system, there are also disadvantages ...
      Well, for example, leveling ...
      tell me, for example ... why a hard worker who gives several production standards should receive the same salary along with a loafer or drunk.
      Why did the goods market react so slowly to the needs of citizens ... why there was a constant shortage of any goods ... etc.
      I am not a supporter of capitalism because this form of brutal robbery of ordinary people ...
      at the same time, socialism is not the most ideal form of society ... it also restricts a person’s personality by prohibiting the expression of an opinion different from the opinion of the whole society ... in general, humanity still has to walk and walk to the ideal.
      1. victorsh
        victorsh 25 January 2018 07: 08
        +2
        at the same time, socialism is not the most ideal form of society ... it also restricts a person’s personality by prohibiting the expression of an opinion different from the opinion of the whole society ... in general, humanity still has to walk and walk to the ideal.I do not agree. Take for example Sweden. The "Scandinavian" version of socialism. One of the highest standards of living.
        1. Luga
          Luga 25 January 2018 11: 55
          +8
          Quote: victorsh
          The "Scandinavian" version of socialism.

          Hackneyed stamp. Socialism is characterized, first of all, by state ownership of the means of production. Private ownership of the means of production is capitalism. It is another matter how taxes are calculated and how they are then spent, but this issue does not affect the essence of the socio-economic formation.
          Quote: victorsh
          One of the highest living standards.

          The country is compact. In the Russian Federation, this will not work - somewhere it will still be better, somewhere worse, someone will have to feed someone. Within the framework of one subject of the federation or the union of several, we can create such a model with us, but for this we need to first ruin the country.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 25 January 2018 09: 16
        +7
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        With all the advantages of the social system, there are also disadvantages ... well, for example, egalitarianism ...

        Under Stalin, there wasn’t any leveling. She appeared at the Trotskyists.
        Speaking about the Soviet period, it is necessary to specify what kind of speech is being discussed since The Stalinist period cannot be equated with the Gorbachevsky period.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 09: 29
          +9
          Yes, there was no egalitarianism. There was a social stratification into pseudo “guardsmen” and other people. Oprichniki from the "organs" received payment, supplies, apartments for the people they killed:
          But ordinary people, such as the seamstress Anna Pavlova, received hunger, humiliation and fear:
          You look at a woman, especially your parasites, enemies of the Russian people. You gave them power on the ground that they want it and do it. So I’ll take myself as an example. Since 1930, I have lost the area because my sister's husband worked at a military factory, I lived with my sister all the time. Our kvar [tira] was in Leningrad on Sergievskaya street [it] (Leningrad is our homeland); in 1918 the factory was evacuated, first to Nizhny then to Moscow, I lived with them [at] st [antsii] Podlipki plant number 8 outside Moscow. The sisters, the husband — a parasite, a communist — having lived with her for 13 liters, divorced, transferred to another job, he was given premises, and we had to vacate the premises for [avo] yes, since we had no right to live in the territory of [avo] yes; returned to Len [ingrad] q back and since 1930 we can’t get the area. Passed all instances {p. 960} in Len [ingra] de. They wrote to Moscow for the wrong actions. Not a single parasite bandit went forward.

          This is a quote from her letter to Dzhugashvili. https://man-with-dogs.livejournal.com/771129.html
          Anna Pavlova herself was first “condemned” for this letter at the 10 years of the camps, and then she was killed in the 1938 year.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 25 January 2018 09: 39
            +8
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Anna Pavlova herself was first “condemned” for this letter at the 10 years of the camps, and then she was killed in the 1938 year.

            Unfortunately, Stalin failed to clear the country of the Trotskyists. The genocide of the Russian people decreased significantly only with the arrival of Begia in the state security organs. Despite the fact that Trotsky himself was expelled from the country in the middle of the 30, his followers in our country are still alive today.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 10: 43
              +9
              What a "wonderful" answer, directly in the style of "if there is no water in the tap, it was drunk by ... Trotskyites." It is very convenient to shift all responsibility to the “Trotskyists”, without noticing that almost the entire composition of the Soviet party bodies can be attributed to this category.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 25 January 2018 10: 46
                +6
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Almost the entire composition of the Soviet party bodies can be attributed to this category.

                You are not far from the truth. 85% of the Soviet government were Trotskyists (those who drank tap water and then hid behind the broad back of the Bolsheviks).
            2. long in stock.
              long in stock. 25 January 2018 19: 04
              +7
              you before answering such characters as olgovich and pseudo lieutenant always check their writings. he brought you a fake and you seduced ..
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 26 January 2018 00: 44
                +3
                Quote: long in stock.
                you before answering such characters as olgovich and pseudo lieutenant always check their writings. he brought you a fake and you seduced ..

                The last name of Anna Pavlovna., As well as those about whom she writes, is not indicated. After all, the details of the complaint are always indicated in the complaint. And we could point out all of us who want to clarify the fate of a woman.
                I myself found information about the fate of my repressed great-grandfathers on the network. Who brought them under an article in that village? It’s unknown. They took Zimniy, the children of one of them — five sons, all received higher education, became communists, 3rd — they fought and received awards, two became officers, one ---- brigadier in state farm, one ---- director at an enterprise in Moscow, one, as a specialist, was invited to Riga. There were no consequences for relatives
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 32
                  +7
                  there is a complete fake. It is enough that words and phrases that are not characteristic of that era are used ... but it will do for lawyers ..
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 26 January 2018 10: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: long in stock.
                    there is a complete fake. It is enough that words and phrases that are not characteristic of that era are used ... but it will do for lawyers ..

                    Yes, there is a modern language there, similar to modern complaints, but there is no last name that they complain about — there could never be such a parasite, because now it’s all checks quickly. And before ---- there was no Internet.! !!!! People all indicated in detail ---- last names, addresses. !!!!
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 25 January 2018 10: 00
            +6
            then she was killed in the 1938 year.
            Killed, how is it? You mean, the goods on the bunk, crushed at night? I wonder why. Maybe someone else took it?
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 10: 59
              +3
              Killed by “sentence” of a second trial conducted in violation of all legal norms.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 25 January 2018 11: 16
                +6
                According to the verdict, this is not much else. The term is different. You are a lawyer, it seems? Or not. Emotions are a good thing, but they are not always out of place.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 11: 47
                  +4
                  Sorry, but to call a sentence a paper on the basis of which a person is convicted a second time for the same act, my hand, like a lawyer, does not rise. And the decision of the “troika”, the extrajudicial body, too, cannot be called a verdict.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 25 January 2018 12: 46
                    +4
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    and the decision of the "troika

                    By a decision of the USSR Supreme Council, decisions of the so-called triples, deuces, military colleges, etc., are recognized as ILLEGAL from the very beginning.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 25 January 2018 13: 07
                    +9
                    "Three" themselves appeared or by decision of the legitimate authorities? Tell, lawyer, their story, suddenly, someone does not know. Was it given to pass a sentence, and if so, by whom? Personally, I don’t remember exactly, but you, as a lawyer, probably know, you can correct it. In the 1938 year, there was a review of the sentences of the “triples” and a decision was made, upheld, sent for inquiry or rehabilitated. Was there no? And if there was, then they shot her, nevertheless legally, after the review and not quite, apparently, for the letter. A criminal case, was it read or, as always, from other people's words, without seeing the whole document, a lawyer?
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 16: 01
                      +3
                      Three, if this is not known to you, appeared on the basis of the operational order of the "People's Commissar of the NKVD." https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/NKVD_of_3_order
                      0.07.1937/00447/XNUMX_№_XNUMX
                      The term “sentence” is used in this paper. In other words, the leadership of the NKVD, bypassing the Constitution of the USSR, appropriated judicial functions. And no one, including the leader of the USSR Dzhugashvili, paid attention to this.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 02
                        +7
                        Oh really?
                        31 July 1937 years Yezhov signed approved Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU Order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0447 “On the operation to repress former fists, criminals and other anti-Soviet elements” in which the task of defeating “anti-Soviet elements” and the composition of “operational triples” for expedited consideration of cases of this kind were determined.
                        You lawyer, right?
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 46
                        +9
                        "The very existence of an order of the NKVD Central Committee of the USSR on extra-judicial" troika ", approved by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, indicates that the USSR was a rule of law. By the way, the" troika "were created shortly after the adoption of the new Constitution of the USSR, which allowed representatives of the former classes of exploiters to vote, who were previously forbidden to vote.
                        On the eve of the war, when they discovered how many hostile elements there were in the country, it became clear that even the authorities couldn’t neutralize them in court - and the USSR, by that time, was, I repeat, a state of law, with a complicated judicial procedure.
                        It must be said that similar events aimed at fighting possible enemy allies on the eve of the war were carried out by other states at that time, and not just the USSR. So I had to make decisions on the actual introduction of a state of emergency in the country. In fact, it was introduced to one degree or another after the Kirov murders in 1934, when a decision was made on a special judicial procedure against persons suspected of terrorism. Moreover, it was introduced by the supreme legislative body of the state, the Presidium of the CEC of the USSR. I must say that for terrorism they still give the highest punishment that is provided for by the criminal code.
                        Thus, the “troika” was a typical military court operating in emergency conditions. It is outrageous that now there are many people who justify Stolypin extraordinary courts, but condemn the "troika". But these are phenomena of the same nature. And there is nothing good in either body ".http: //1937god.info/node/1227
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 51
                        +6
                        Teterin: Is the justification of criminals more important for you than the truth and the real history of the Russian people?
                        As always, one pathos and hypocrisy. You just got caught lying:
                        “Three, if you do not know this, appeared on the basis of the operational order of the“ People’s Commissar of the NKVD. ”In other words, the leadership of the NKVD, bypassing the Constitution of the USSR, appropriated judicial functions. "
                    2. Varyag_0711
                      Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 16: 22
                      +9
                      avva2012 Today, 13:07 ↑
                      A criminal case, was it read or, as always, from other people's words, without seeing the whole document, a lawyer?
                      Why is it for him? He is here for another reason. Do you think he personally cares who, whom, and for what shot? The main thing is more shit and fakes, like that letter with the signature of "secret." Note that this alleged decree is dated November 5, 1938, and the date 1939 is already in the bottom left corner, apart from blots and signatures that are not clear, too fresh paper catches your eye. For paper that has lain for 80 years, even under the stamp of a top secret in the archive, this is too fresh a piece of paper. Most likely it was published in the 90s in the wake of anti-Soviet revelations, and now all sorts of supposedly “lawyers” like someone teterin poke this fake right and left.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 20
                        +5
                        Of course it is. After he was dipped a couple of times in his own links, he began to take a more "thorough" approach to the choice of material. The problem, after all, is that the material is initially rotten, as it does not stretch, then in one place the seams will crawl, then in another. It’s another matter that it’s with us, there’s still Soviet preparation (we read normal books and talked with living participants in many historical events in the country), and some people can even believe in such a manufacture. According to the links, too lazy to go, at least on 3-4 in depth.
                        In general, outright dirt is to sit and shit on the ancestors who rebuilt such a country, who won in such a war! Namely, IM, these are due to the fact that they did not see the hunger and do not imagine what it is. Obliged to their table and chair daily.
                      2. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 17: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        Do you think he personally cares who, whom, and for what shot?


                        Imagine worrying. Because this is the story of my people. And the tragedy of my people.
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        fakes like that letter with the signature "secret."

                        It amazes me how zealously you begin to deny facts, even documentary ones, and declare everything in a row a fake. Is for you justification of criminals more important than the truth and the real history of the Russian people?
                    3. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 26 January 2018 00: 56
                      +5
                      On the topic of triples there was an article on the site, probably a year ago, where everything was explained how and why they were created !!!!!!! there is no doubt that those present read it. !!!!!!! But no!
                      The priest had a dog, he loved her ......
                      The enemies of the USSR, the enemies of the Russian Federation are not tired of repeating one and the same lie !!!!!
          3. long in stock.
            long in stock. 25 January 2018 19: 01
            +5
            cool ... but tell me, why did you bring a fake here? Are the bakers again tight with evidence?
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 19: 19
              +3
              Prove that the document I cited is forged. Or do you only have allegations instead of evidence?
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 45
                +3
                no problems. The very first mention of this nonsense - spelling and punctuation saved by VKontakte; date of placement in VK - July 25, 2013; an earlier source of this “letter” was discovered in July 2011 at Makspark - also without reference to the original; I didn’t look further - in a comment No. 405 from Mr. F.F. Voronov I found here, in LJ at man_with_dogs, and a verbal reference to the very, most primary source - Russian History. XX century: 1894-1939. Edited by A.B.Zubov. (p. 959-962) about the second you may be a lawyer but are stupid like a traffic jam ... - I'm Russian,
                - I can not give a bribe, because in our free country nothing is done without bribes,
                - The area is for the Russian only for 2000 p. and more expensive
                - There is a square: the Jews, Caucasians and Russians, who sold their soul to the devil,
                is this a model of what they said in 30 years? the term Caucasian in this everyday sense appears much later ... and yes, in the 30s they didn’t say a toilet ... or a restroom or a latrine. you need to read. and think and not be a lawyer ..
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 26 January 2018 13: 38
                  +2
                  Verbal allegations. The text of the letter is indeed given in the textbook of Zubov, but no one has ever refuted the fact of writing this letter. Do you understand? There is no evidence that its original is missing.
                  Quote: Long in stock.
                  is this an example of what they said in 30 years? the term Caucasian in this everyday sense appears g

                  Excuse me, are you a linguist? Or maybe they lived in the 30s? Read the memories of people living at that time. Read the newspapers. And compare the style of speech. And the word “toilet” appeared in Russian in the 19th century — look for data on the etymology of this word, “linguist” you are ours))
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 20
                    +2
                    unfounded allegations. no one provided the fact of this letter. the letter itself, no ... I directly presented you with such evidence in court ... a kick in the ass from the meeting. yes it’s not necessary to be a linguist ... it’s enough to not be a lawyer .. and yes, Gilyarovsky read it with pleasure many times. only someone obviously forgot that Uncle Gilyay wrote mainly about people's day — and jargon, that is, Fenya was not common among the majority of people .can you live in 30 years? no. you read the newspapers of those times, no .. and yes the most important thing for a lawyer is the illegal assignment of a military rank to yourself by law qualifies as fraud ..
                2. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 26 January 2018 13: 50
                  +1
                  And, by the way, the word "Caucasian" in the everyday sense appears even in Gilyarovsky in "Moscow and Muscovites" https://ru.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/kavkazets
                  You would at least check the etymology of words before loudly declaring “fakes”.
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 51
                    +1
                    well..continue the conversation ... you tell me you’re a pseudo-lieutenant, are you REALLY so stupid or are you covering your eyes? So ... the most important thing ....... because my sister worked at a military factory, I lived all the time with sister. Sisters husband - a parasite, a communist .. enough? A letter allegedly written in 1937 .. the communist party of the Soviet Union appeared in 1952 ..... before that there were Bolsheviks ..... so move olgovich and sit down in a puddle next to him ...
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 26 January 2018 18: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Long in stock.
                      1937 .. the Communist Party of the Soviet Union appeared in 1952 ..... before that there were Bolsheviks ..... t

                      You are a funny person) I beg you, stop shaming. The members of the AUCPB have always called themselves and each other communists. Here is a quote from the letter of I. V. Dzhugashvili:
                      But I have to tell the truth in my eyes if I communist.
                      The word "communist" I singled out especially for you) The letter is dated ... 1926. http://hrono.ru/libris/stalin/8-10.php
                      So again by. And, you know, it’s very funny to look at your self-abusive attempts to “catch” me on inaccuracies in the language of writing.))
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 26 January 2018 23: 43
                        +1
                        she is not a member of the VKPB .... they would know how sometimes it is ridiculous to mock ignoramuses. a lawyer .... not without reason they say that graduates of current universities are weaker than three-year-olds of the Soviet school .. you are a brilliant confirmation of this rule ..
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 January 2018 03: 36
                        +2
                        The members of the AUCPB have always called themselves and each other communists.

                        They are, yes, but for the majority of the population, they were Bolsheviks. Especially for those who hated Soviet power. Together with such a term as "red-bellied" the Bolshevik and his derogatory version of the Bolshevik were used.
      3. novel66
        novel66 25 January 2018 11: 10
        +2
        it all went right. if at one time they removed from the constitution a little article about the leading role of the party
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 January 2018 11: 19
          +3
          Quote: novel xnumx
          it all went right. if at one time they removed from the constitution a little article about the leading role of the party

          By the 77 year, the people, for the most part, did not trust the ruling elite. That is why it became necessary to strengthen the role of the party.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 11: 50
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            That is why it became necessary to strengthen the role of the party.

            And that is precisely why, in 1991, the party, despising the results of the March 1991 referendum, sat exactly on the spot and watched as several people were fragmented into parts of the USSR bypassing all constitutional norms.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 25 January 2018 11: 59
              0
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              And that is why in 1991 year the consignmentdespising referendum results

              Thank you for not mentioning out of place - the Bolsheviks. laughing
        2. uskrabut
          uskrabut 25 January 2018 14: 54
          +2
          The Communist Party, in itself, did not light up with anything bad, but the leadership was to be replaced in accordance with the tasks facing the country. An example is our neighbor China.
          Communists invariably rule, and the leader gives way to a change in the country's development vector. And we all collapsed instead of slapping the MS and some others from the top to edify the descendants.
        3. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 27 January 2018 18: 35
          +2
          Quote: novel xnumx
          it all went right. if at one time they removed from the constitution a little article about the leading role of the party

          And the leading role of the party was recorded only under Brezhnev in the 1977 Constitution of the USSR. And when Gorbachev seized this record, then everything flew upside down.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 28 January 2018 00: 16
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Quote: novel xnumx
            it all went right. if at one time they removed from the constitution a little article about the leading role of the party

            And the leading role of the party was recorded only under Brezhnev in the 1977 Constitution of the USSR. And when Goyrvachev seized this record, then everything flew upside down.

            But before this happened, the first step was to remove the allegation of the dictatorship of the proletariat, they say, this is not the main thing, and then gradually everything else was seized. Alexander, it’s a pity that I do not take notes on what I read, of course.
    2. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 07: 29
      +9
      Dear venaya, any normal person will not like the construction of a society in which they are deprived of the natural right to own, use and dispose of property acquired by honest personal work. A normal person will not like the deprivation of the owner of production of legal remuneration for the organization of labor and the production process under the pretext of "oppression through the appropriation of surplus value." Any normal person will not like the annoying interference of the state in the sphere of personal life, starting from "public control" and ending with the crazy term "fight against parasitism". A normal person will not like the deprivation of his right to arms, as a form of the right to self-defense and protection of society and the Fatherland, deprivation of the right to freedom of speech and religion. A lot of things in such a construction of society do not like a normal person.
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 25 January 2018 09: 25
        +6
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        any normal person will not like the construction of a society in which he is deprived of the natural right to own, use and dispose of property acquired by honest personal work.

        Do not tell me when in the USSR they canceled personal (not to be confused with private) property?
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        A normal person will not like the deprivation of the owner of production of legal remuneration for the organization of labor and the production process under the pretext of "oppression through the appropriation of surplus value."

        Do not tell me who is the "owner of production", with the public ownership of the means of production and how it can be deprived of this property? (do not offer privatization laughing )
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        ending with the crazy term "fight against parasitism".

        Why insane? A parasite must eat something => he needs money => he must take it somewhere, but since he does not work anywhere, => sooner or later, he will start getting it in a criminal way ...
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 09: 59
          +7
          Quote: HanTengri
          personal (not to be confused with private) property?

          Dear Khan, can you tell me where the difference between personal and private property is? The term "personal property" —neologism of Soviet law, designed to cover up what Soviet theorists recognized only with a gnashing of teeth—fully liquidation of private property is unrealistic, and in the USSR it existed in a greatly reduced form. And by private property earned by personal work, I meant not only toothbrushes and utensils (which were recognized as personal property), but also real estate, including houses and land.
          Quote: HanTengri
          who is the "owner of production", with the public ownership of the means of production

          The state, which, as practice has shown, is absolutely indifferent to the needs of workers using these means of production. You can “reach out” to the person-owner and get an answer to your requirements. To the state, no.
          Quote: HanTengri
          sooner or later, he will begin to mine them in a criminal way ...

          Is not a fact. There is a renter, there are self-employed citizens, there are artists, writers, musicians who provide services on the basis of a civil contract, rather than a labor contract.
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 25 January 2018 11: 22
            +7
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            And by private property earned by personal work, I meant not only toothbrushes and utensils (which were recognized as personal property), but also real estate, including houses and land.

            You are right, Lieutenant! With the bloody advice of everyone with more than one toothbrush, they were constantly shot like undercut bourgeois! laughing Here is the proof:
            Article 9. Along with the socialist system of economy, which is the dominant form of economy in the USSR, the law permits the small private economy of individual peasants and handicraftsmen, based on personal labor and excluding the exploitation of other people's labor.

            Article 10. The right of personal property of citizens to their labor incomes and savings, to a residential building and auxiliary household, to household items and household items, to personal consumption and amenities, as well as the right to inherit personal property of citizens - are protected by law.
            USSR Constitution 1936
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Is not a fact. There is a renter, there are self-employed citizens, there are artists, writers, musicians

            All of the above, except the rentier, do you think they were engaged in some socially useful activity, or did they spend all day pearing around?
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            The state, which, as practice has shown, is absolutely indifferent to the needs of workers using these means of production.

            Free medicine, free education, free housing, free sports sections, children's and non-children's art clubs ... this, apparently, is of special indifference!
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 12: 08
              +5
              Oh, you, as I look, decided to bring the 1936 Constitution — great! This is a wonderful, democratic ... and has never worked in reality document. The right of "personal ownership" of real estate seemed to be guaranteed, but in reality it was unrealistic to buy a house. The head of state seems to be Kalinin, but in reality the documents are signed and decisions are made by Dzhugashvili-Stalin. It seems that only a Soviet court can judge citizens, but in reality people were sent to the camps and to death by the "troika" of the NKVD ...
              Quote: HanTengri
              In your opinion, were you engaged in some kind of socially useful activity, or did you spend your whole day blowing pears?

              Excuse me, but what is a “socially useful activity”? What are its criteria and by whom are they established? And there is an established concept of "socially useful" activity, why do you think that the actions of writers and musicians are not useful to society, as a collection of people?
              Quote: HanTengri
              Free medicine, free education, free housing, free sports sections, children's and non-children's art groups ...

              You are a naive person ... Please, remember one indisputable fact: there is nothing absolutely free in the world. And all the “free” apartments, hospitals and sections were paid after the fact from the citizen’s pocket. Let me explain: imagine that you work at a factory and get a salary of 150 rubles and go to a "free" clinic. But in fact, money for this clinic is allocated from that share of the company's income that could go to your salary. And in fact, you should receive 300 rubles, but you cannot, because the money earned by your work goes to “free” apartments, clinics, etc. This is not to mention the fact that the “free” apartment did not belong to you and it was difficult for you to change your place of residence or to make a major redevelopment of housing. And you couldn’t legally influence the quality of service in a “free” clinic.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 25 January 2018 12: 54
                +3
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                , You, as I look, decided to bring the Constitution of 1936 — fine!

                The rarest in hypocrisy and cynicism pattern of divergence of words and deeds
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 13: 03
                  +5
                  You very precisely noted it. The best and most capacious characteristic of this paper.
                2. Looking for
                  Looking for 25 January 2018 18: 48
                  +6
                  A cuckoo praises a rooster for praising a cuckoo (Teterin-olgovich)
                3. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 25 January 2018 19: 13
                  +6
                  Well, she didn’t surpass you .. here on the forum there is a rare instance of lies and hypocrisy .. well, the grouse still adjoins you, an amateur of fakes and their distributor ..
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 26 January 2018 19: 46
                +1
                And you couldn’t legally influence the quality of service in a “free” clinic.

                This, you tell any head physician who worked at that time. Although it is better not to either spit in the face or die with laughter.
                The “free” apartment did not belong to you and it was difficult for you to change your place of residence or to carry out a major redevelopment of housing.

                As for the redevelopment, I will not say anything, but not what to change, but they also sold apartments under the guise of an exchange. About the communal apartment, of course we will not compare? What part of the budget goes, on average, to utilities, now?
                You work at the factory and get a salary of 150 rubles

                This is where, have you seen such salaries at the factory? Young engineer? Yes, it is possible, but if he had his head, he didn’t “sit” for such a long time. Plus you "forget" the spa treatment, medical examination and much, much more for free.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 25 January 2018 18: 45
            +5
            "... but if you are stupid like a tree, you will give birth, Teterin, and you will be Teterin, for a thousand years, while you die !.
        2. long in stock.
          long in stock. 25 January 2018 19: 07
          +6
          why are you so ... offended by a pseudo lieutenant ... he's a lawyer, and you are his parasite ..
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 27 January 2018 03: 41
          +3
          Quote: HanTengri Why insane? A parasite must eat something => he needs money => he must take it somewhere, but since he does not work anywhere, => sooner or later, he will start getting it in a criminal way ...

          The property was public, which means that a person who does not work, does not invest his work, but who has enjoyed all the benefits of society (schools, clinics, housing, public transport, etc.), must be punished accordingly. Reptile he, if simple.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 25 January 2018 09: 55
        +5
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        any normal person will not like the construction of a society in which they are deprived of the natural right to own, use and dispose of property acquired by honest personal work

        Including depriving citizens of property acquired (created) by collective labor.
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        A normal person will not like the deprivation of the owner of the production of legal remuneration for organizing labor

        A normal person does not like it when the owner of the result of the common labor (factories, factories, steamboats) is assigned to the uninvolved - the heir who did not put a single drop of managerial work on it and especially does not like it when the manager himself charges an exorbitantly high price for his managerial work.
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        crazy term "fight against parasitism".

        The parasite does not have the right to use the benefits of the collective works created. This does not apply to children, the elderly and the unmarried, who are not.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 11: 36
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          deprive citizens of property acquired (created) by collective labor.

          Please forgive me, but I do not quite understand your idea. What does it mean to "deprive property of acquired collective labor"? An incorrect combination of cases makes it impossible to understand the essence of what is written. I would be grateful if you put it more clearly.
          Regarding the owners of the means of production and their heirs, I can say that the owner fulfills critical functions in the production sphere — searching for a sales market and a supplier of raw materials, bearing the burden of maintaining the property (electricity, heating, water supply not from the air are taken), organizing production and etc. The inclusion of heirs in the management process is a normal, fair, adequate phenomenon.
          And about the logical errors in the shameful term "parasite" I wrote above.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 25 January 2018 11: 53
            +5
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            What does it mean "to deprive property of acquired collective labor"

            Are you a supporter of Chubais? laughing
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            the owner fulfills critical functions in the field of production — search for a market and supplier of raw materials

            This is called management work, for which managers charge an unjustly high price to themselves. Or do you think that the Abramovichs worked hard?
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            The inclusion of heirs in the management process is a normal, fair, adequate phenomenon.

            And then the heir is here what side? Which offspring has something to do with this? That’s what’s in the little girl’s house - that’s him. And that’s it!
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 13: 01
              +4
              Quote: Boris55
              Are you a supporter of Chubais?

              Once again I will tell you: please express your thoughts in a coherent Russian language with the correct cases, the meaning of the first part of your previous message is simply beyond understanding.
              Quote: Boris55
              managerial labor, for which managers charge an unjustly high price for themselves.

              Reappraisal of managerial labor is a problematic issue, which nevertheless can be resolved through a social contract and legislative regulation.
              Quote: Boris55
              And then the heir is here what side? Which offspring has something to do with this? That’s what’s in the little girl’s house - that’s him. And that’s it!

              Sorry, but inheritance total property, without exception, as well as the formation of inherited ancestral property, is a normal practice that humanity has been using for thousands of years. And if one person founded or acquired an enterprise, there is nothing surprising or abnormal in that his son or daughter inherit this enterprise. This is normal. In general, from these your words, we can conclude that you are driven by banal bourgeois envy. Envy of people who are able to work for generations, earning and multiplying family property, as well as organizing the work of other people to give them work.
      3. uskrabut
        uskrabut 25 January 2018 14: 57
        +6
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        A lot of things in such a construction of society do not like a normal person.

        You, sir, are directly the ideologist of the "wild west". It was there such orders - whoever shot the first is right. They also considered themselves "normal people."
    3. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 25 January 2018 08: 13
      +7
      What kind of normal person in all senses might not like such a construction of society?

      One who understands that in a normal country, in the event of harassment by the employer, a worker can achieve justice by contacting the state for help. In a socialist state of the Soviet type, the state is the employer.
      And more: even animals and children have a sense of ownership (MY!). Ownership is natural, it’s normal. Building a society on denial of property is tantamount to building it on the basis of denial of heterosexual sex - the union of Soviet homosexual republics laughing
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 25 January 2018 09: 33
        +6
        Quote: Dzmicer
        in a normal country, in the case of harassment by the employer, the worker can achieve justice by contacting the state for help.

        You are absolutely right! Any worker in any “normal country” will easily “achieve justice by seeking help from the state” ... if he can allocate more money for litigation with the employer than the same employer. laughing
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 25 January 2018 10: 12
          +5
          In normal countries (not African rebels and equivalent to them) there is such a thing as a law that acts the same for everyone, regardless of financial situation.
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 25 January 2018 10: 40
            +4
            Yes, and the law provides for a free lawyer, who is always somewhat worse than the one hired by the corporation for very decent money. But everything will be according to the law, in any case ....
            1. Dzmicer
              Dzmicer 25 January 2018 10: 45
              +4
              Unions? No, have not heard!
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri 25 January 2018 10: 57
                +4
                Have you started wagging?
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 11: 39
                  +6
                  Dear Khan, You were also told above that in a country with an adequately functioning legal system, the law will operate regardless of the quality of the lawyer. And if there are problems with this, then a trade union can hire a high-quality lawyer for its employee.
                  1. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 25 January 2018 11: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    You were told above that in a country with an adequately functioning legal system, the law will operate regardless of the quality of the lawyer.

                    That's right. I even know what it's called - Utopia!
                    1. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 25 January 2018 12: 12
                      +5
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      That's right. I even know what it's called - Utopia!

                      It is called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
                      For example, there was such a thing as “work control”. My father-in-law was one of the leaders of the "workers' control" on the "Star". Substantial changes were made to working conditions without courts and lawyers. And he worked on a "dirty" site in the reactor compartments. The working day was reduced to (EMNIP) 4 hours, a developed support system was created (that is, "give milk for free"), a spa-sanatorium recovery system was created. The factory cafeteria has evolved from an ordinary to a cozy cafe, the quality of baking has become such that orders have gone "because of the fence" from ordinary people, not factory employees. A jazz ensemble (!) And a volleyball team were organized.
                      I may be wrong in the details, but in general this is so. And after that, having moved to another factory, in another city, father-in-law was an active “trade unionist” there and also trained the same canteen - she even started making money by making cakes for holidays to people from the outside.
                    2. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 13: 05
                      +4
                      That is, Belgium, France, Denmark, Japan, Norway, Finland and a number of other countries — in your opinion, are utopias?
                      1. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 25 January 2018 21: 25
                        +3
                        Yes, no - utopia, this is your idea of ​​them.
          2. uskrabut
            uskrabut 25 January 2018 15: 00
            +4
            Quote: Dzmicer
            In normal countries (not African rebels and equivalent to them) there is such a thing as law,

            Soon this "thing" will not happen, since there is no USSR, as an example of a workers' state, and the bourgeoisie no longer needs to coax their hard workers. The process has begun (C)
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 25 January 2018 18: 53
            +5
            BUT ONLY IN THE SOVIET UNION laws were created to protect the rights of WORKERS, not OWNERS.
    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 January 2018 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: venaya
      Unfortunately, a lot of apparently paid trolls, outspoken slaves of this same Finnish capital, who actually organizes the so-called "bourgeois civilization", naturally for their own selfish purposes, with the main goal of total control of the whole World, appeared on the site.

      Here is an interesting video in the topic.
      https://youtu.be/ElTUkmfDmIE
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 January 2018 10: 18
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        Here is an interesting video in the topic.

        There is a dumb picture from Putin’s meeting with the bourgeoisie and there is an off-screen story about something. So it seems that Putin is raving. You give a cut where Putin’s direct speech is and show the reality of what he’s wrong about. And so - propaganda against all the bad, for all the good.
    5. Olgovich
      Olgovich 25 January 2018 09: 59
      +6
      Quote: venaya
      What kind of normal person in all senses might not like such a construction of society?

      To each normal a person will not like SUCH a society in which only 10% of the population died of starvation, where millions of peasants were robbed and sentenced to death, where during peacetime hundreds of thousands of people were shot, where peasants paid tribute (Stalin), where there was no freedom of speech , meetings, parties, where medieval "justice", where 10 year old children were forced to write and read such "children's newspapers" (1936)
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 January 2018 10: 09
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        Every normal person will not like such a society in which only 10% of the population died of starvation

        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 25 January 2018 11: 41
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Olgovich
          Every normal person will not like such a society in which only 10% of the population died of starvation


          This SHREDYATIN about starvation in America of 28-34 years, even the SOVIET propagandists were ashamed to write, only recently started.
          Help you Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR in 1955, where the data on the United States of the 30s: they ate several times more than ours.
          1. BAI
            BAI 25 January 2018 16: 44
            +7
            Yes, there was a famine in the United States, as if some would not want to admit it. A very convenient position - there is my point of view and the wrong one.
            American statistics contain data on the age distribution of surviving children, as of 1940. And if in 1940 the number of births in the 20s was 24 million 80 thousand, then, while maintaining this demographic trend in the 30s, at least 26 million 800 thousand children should be born. But in the generation of those born in the 30s, a shortage of 5 million 573 thousand is striking! Not much more. Maybe the birth rate has declined? But even in the 40s, during the Second World War, despite all the losses and millions of men called up for military service, the birth rate was restored, almost to the previous values. The huge demographic losses of the 30s cannot be explained by any “reduction in fertility”. This is a consequence of a huge number of additional deaths, a trace drawn by millions of lost childhood lives, a black mark of the Great American Famine.

            Based on these figures, we can also estimate the total losses from starvation and the adult population of the United States, as the difference between the shortage in the generation born in the 30s and the total shortage of the population. Could it be that the adult population could not “just not be born”? We can definitely talk about at least two million dead people over 10 years old, and about half of the five and a half million child demographic losses, which are divided between mortality and some natural decline in birth rates *****.

            Thus, we can confidently talk about about five million direct victims of the 1932/33 famine in the United States of America.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 26 January 2018 08: 48
              +2
              Quote: BAI
              Yes, there was a famine in the United States, as if some would not want to admit it. A very convenient position - there is my point of view and the wrong one.

              There was a famine, there were NO DEATH.
              All these conspiracy theological calculations are not worth a damn: there is NO evidence of death, nor documents about them.
              1. BAI
                BAI 26 January 2018 09: 35
                +3
                There was a famine, there were NO DEATH.

                And where is 5 million?
                that adult population probably couldn’t “just not be born”

                Simple arithmetic, nothing personal, no politics.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 26 January 2018 10: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: BAI
                  And where is 5 million?

                  What 5 million? WHERE THE ACTS OF Dying of Starvation, Eyewitness accounts, NEWSPAPERS about the mass mortality from hunger?
                  There is nothing!.
                  But there are state statistics, where there is NO super-mortality.
                  Once again, even concurrent propaganda, did not write this nonsense, it was a shame.
                  And the Americans ate a few times better in 30 than we did.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 January 2018 20: 02
                    0
                    And the Americans ate a few times better in 30 than we did.

                    On the Internet, another scandal erupts. The free encyclopedia Wikipedia has deleted an article by a Russian researcher, which is devoted to assessing US losses as a result of the Great Depression 1932-33. Outraged bloggers began mass distribution of the article in the Russian-language segment of the popular blog service Livejournal. The material caused heated debate, the “historical flash mob”, meanwhile, continues. http://www.encyclopedia.ru/news/enc/detail/27677/
                    I speak English, I think: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/depression/photo
                    essay.htm; http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/1930.htm Perhaps this was not request http://maxpark.com/community/506/content/2450568
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 January 2018 07: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      On the Internet, another scandal erupts. The free encyclopedia Wikipedia has deleted an article by a Russian researcher, which is devoted to assessing US losses as a result of the Great Depression 1932-33. Outraged bloggers began mass distribution of the article in the Russian-language segment of the popular blog service Livejournal. The material caused heated debate, the “historical flash mob”, meanwhile, continues. http://www.encyclopedia.ru/news/enc/detail/27677/
                      I speak English, I think: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/depression/photo
                      essay.htm; http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/1930.htm Perhaps this was not http://maxpark.com/community/506/content/2450568

                      Scandals are your area of ​​interest, not mine.
                      FACTS, ACTS OF DEATH, PHOTOS, FBI REPORTS and pr-in the studio.
                      No?
                      Into the furnace COAT!
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        2. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 11: 42
          +5
          I beg you, do not disgrace, bringing frank fakes. There is no mention of the "Holodomor in the USA" not only in the American or world press, but even in the book of Soviet writers Ilf and Petrov, "One-Storied America." http://maxpark.com/user/2282910948/content/781802
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 25 January 2018 11: 58
            +4
            Well yes. There was depression, but such that no one noticed it laughing
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 13: 07
              +5
              You know, a recession with a series of bankruptcies and mass deaths from starvation is ... well, how would you explain, to make it clearer, completely different phenomena.
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 26 January 2018 19: 12
            +3
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            . There is no mention of the "Holodomor in the USA" not only in the American or world press, but even in the book of Soviet writers Ilf and Petrov, "One-Storied America."

            During the depression from starvation in the United States, too, they died, but there were no such inventors who would call it a famine and would exaggerate these figures tens of times. Here read what they wrote at that time in the USA. This piece, even the bourgeois Wikipedia published.
            "What the roots of the vines and trees worked on must be destroyed so that prices do not fall - and this is the saddest and worst of all. Oranges are dumped in whole wagons on the ground. People travel a few miles to pick up discarded fruits, but this is completely unacceptable ! Who will pay a dozen cents for oranges, a dozen if you can go out of town and get them for free? And the orange mountains are poured with kerosene from a hose, and those who do this hate themselves for such a crime, hate the people who come to pick up fruit, millions of hungry people need fruit, and golden mountains poured with kerosene, and the smell of decay rises over the country.
            Burn coffee in steamer furnaces. Burn corn instead of firewood - it burns hot. Drop potatoes into rivers and guard along the coast, otherwise the hungry will catch everything. Cut pigs and dig carcasses into the ground, and let the earth become saturated with rot.
            This is a crime that has no name. It is a grief that cannot be measured by any tears. This is a defeat that crushes all our successes to dust. Fertile land, straight rows of trees, strong trunks and juicy fruits. And children dying from pellagra must die, because oranges do not bring profit. And investigators should issue certificates: death as a result of malnutrition, because food must rot, because it is rotted intentionally.
            People come with nets to catch potatoes from the river, but the guards drive them away; they arrive in rattling cars for discarded oranges, but kerosene has already done its job. And they stand in a daze and look at the potatoes floating by, hear the screech of pigs, which they cut and fill with lime in the ditches, look at the orange mountains, on which the landslides of the fetid slush come down; and in the eyes of people defeat; angry is ripening in the eyes of the hungry.

            - John Steinbeck. "The Grapes of Wrath". Chapter xxv
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 26 January 2018 23: 46
              +1
              found someone to answer .. pseudo-lieutenant, as in the Russian proverb, ss in the eye and he is all God's dew ..
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 27 January 2018 01: 08
                +3
                Quote: Long in stock.
                found someone to answer .. pseudo-lieutenant, as in the Russian proverb, ss in the eye and he is all God's dew ..

                Thank you, I understand that the hunchback grave will be corrected, but I am not writing for him, but for other visitors to the site so that they do not have a false opinion.
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri 25 January 2018 12: 06
        +6
        Quote: Olgovich
        Every normal person will not like such a society in which only 10% of the population died of starvation,

        Moldavian arithmetic again?
        Quote: Olgovich
        where the peasants paid tribute (Stalin) ..... where the medieval "justice", where 10 year old children were forced to write and read such "children's newspapers" (1936)

        Did you, Olgovich, again find the “top-secret report” in the dark depths of your subconscious? Or maybe share the source of your "insights"?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 25 January 2018 12: 59
          +3
          Quote: HanTengri
          Quote: Olgovich
          Every normal person will not like such a society in which only 10% of the population died of starvation,

          Moldavian arithmetic again?
          Quote: Olgovich
          where the peasants paid tribute (Stalin) ..... where the medieval "justice", where 10 year old children were forced to write and read such "children's newspapers" (1936)

          Did you, Olgovich, again find the “top-secret report” in the dark depths of your subconscious? Or maybe share the source of your "insights"?

          Comrade lover of mate, etc. things, leave me alone! I disdain to communicate with you ..
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 25 January 2018 14: 32
            +5
            Answer someone else or in a separate comment to the question: "maybe share the source of your" insights "?". I understand that you carry with honor wassat nonsense, but nevertheless, it is interesting to find out the source.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 25 January 2018 16: 01
              +2
              Quote: avva2012
              Answer someone else or in a separate comment to the question: "maybe share the source of your" insights "?

              What do you again- do not know? belay
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 27
                +4
                Enchanting! They asked you a question, but I know whether or not I have nothing to do with this question. People, not my knowledge, may be interested, but yours. So share, "where is the source?"
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 26 January 2018 08: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  They asked you a question, but I know whether or not I have nothing to do with this question. People, not my knowledge, may be interested, but yours. So share, "where is the source?"

                  No one asked me a question.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 January 2018 09: 51
                    +4
                    "The monkey became old with weak eyes ..." I. A. Krylov
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 January 2018 10: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      "Monkey became old with weak eyes ... "I. A. Krylov

                      I sympathize You. request
                      A "from people SHE- heard "?. No? hi
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 January 2018 11: 41
                        +2
                        A "from people SHE IS- heard? "

                        This, are you in your third person? laughing You were asked the source of where, your allegations.
                        where the peasants paid Tribute (Stalin)..... where medieval "justice", where Xnumx summer children were forced write and read such "children's newspapers" (1936 year)
                        And you split right away crying
                    2. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 53
                      +2
                      our case-brains became ...
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 January 2018 07: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      This, are you in your third person?

                      You can only reliably know about weak eyes about YOURSELF. Respectively, the character is fable-you. hi
                      Quote: avva2012
                      where the peasants paid tribute (Stalin) ..... where the medieval "justice", where 10 year old children were forced to write and read such "children's newspapers" (1936)
                      And you split right away

                      Could not immediately ask? . If you are talking about the issues of the Khamns, long ago lol , then I DO NOT read them.
                      Leader wrote:
                      The situation with the peasantry in this case is as follows: it pays to the state not only ordinary taxes, direct and indirect, but it also overpays at relatively high prices for industrial goods - this is, firstly, and more or less underperformed on agricultural prices products are secondly.

                      This is an additional tax on the peasantry in the interests of raising industry serving the whole country, including the peasantry. It is something like “TRIBUTE”something like supertax, which we are forced to take temporarily in order to maintain and develop further the current pace of industry development

                      But this temporarily lasted ALL of his era: wild serfdom, with corvee, dues, robbery, a continuous increase in taxes with decades-long LOWEST prices for the purchase of collective farm products (in fact Looting).
                      Again you know nothing. Not ashamed? request
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 January 2018 14: 57
                        +3
                        Not ashamed?
                        Oh, and as I understand it, they not only stumbled on their own, but also forgot what it means, this word.
                        And at the top, what kind of nonsense is written? What kind of leader wrote? Who, your leader, confess, interesting laughing
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 27 January 2018 15: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Not ashamed?
                  Oh, and as I understand it, they not only stumbled on their own, but also forgot what it means, this word.

                  belayYou don’t know, but I am ashamed ?! belay What is the matter with you, my dear? request
                  Quote: avva2012
                  And at the top, what a nonsense is written? What kind of leader wrote? Who, your leader, confess, interesting

                  Delirium savage, I agree. yes
                  And Vasha Leader wrote, the reign of which you recall with a throaty anguish of emotion, tearing your hair from grief that they passed.
                  Now remember? hi yes
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 27 January 2018 18: 06
                    +3
                    We continue the citation:
                    I. Stalin. About industrialization and the bread problem
                    Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.)
                    4-12 July 1928
                    ABOUT INDUSTRIALIZATION
                    AND THE BREAD PROBLEM
                    Speech 9 July 1928
                    Comrades! Before turning to the specific issue of our difficulties on the grain front, let me touch on some general issues of theoretical interest that emerged here during the debate at the plenary session.
                    First of all, the general question about the main sources of development of our industry, about ways to ensure the current rate of industrialization.
                    This question was raised, perhaps without realizing it, Osinsky and Sokolnikov after him. This question is a matter of paramount importance.
                    I think that we have two main sources that feed our industry: first, the working class and, secondly, the peasantry.
                    In capitalist countries, industrialization usually occurred mainly due to the robbery of foreign countries, due to the robbery of colonies or defeated countries, or due to serious more or less bonded loans from outside.
                    You know that for hundreds of years England has been collecting capital from all colonies, from all parts of the world, and thus has made additional investments in its industry. This, incidentally, explains that England at one time turned into a "factory of the world."
                    You also know that Germany has developed its industry, among other things, due to the five billionth indemnity taken from France after the Franco-Prussian war.
                    Our country, by the way, differs from the capitalist countries in that it cannot, should not engage in the robbery of colonies and in general the robbery of foreign countries. Therefore, this path is closed to us.
                    But our country does not have and does not want to have bonded loans from the outside. Therefore, this path is also closed to us.
                    What then remains? One thing remains: to develop industry, to industrialize the country through internal accumulation.
                    Under bourgeois orders in our country, usually industry, transport, etc. developed through loans. Whether you take the construction of new factories or the re-equipment of old ones, whether you take the construction of new railways or the construction of large power plants, none of these enterprises did without external loans. But these loans were bonded.
                    The situation is completely different with us under the Soviet system. We spend the Turkestan railway in 1 400 versts long, requiring hundreds of millions of rubles. We are building a Dneprostroy, which also requires hundreds of millions. Do we have any bonded loan here? No, we don’t. All this is done in our country through internal accumulation.
                    But where are the main sources of this accumulation? There are two of them, these sources, as I have already said: firstly; working class creating value and moving industry forward; secondly, the peasantry.
                    The situation with the peasantry in this case is as follows: it pays the state not only ordinary taxes, direct and indirect, but it also overpays at relatively high prices for manufactured goods - this is, firstly, and more or less less on prices for agricultural products - this is, secondly.
                    This is an additional tax on the peasantry in the interests of raising industry serving the whole country, including the peasantry. This is a kind of "tribute", a kind of supertax, which we are forced to take temporarily in order to maintain and develop further the current pace of development of the industry, to provide industry for the whole country, to further increase the welfare of the village and then destroy this additional tax altogether, these " scissors "between the city and the village.
                    This is, of course, unpleasant. But we would not be Bolsheviks if we would gloss over this fact and close our eyes to the fact that, without this additional tax on the peasantry, unfortunately, our industry and our country could not do it.
                    Why am I talking about this? Because some comrades apparently do not understand this indisputable thing. They based their speeches on the fact that the peasantry overpays on goods, which is absolutely true, and that the peasantry is not paid extra on prices of agricultural products, which is also true. What do they require? They demand that restoration prices for bread be introduced so that these “scissors”, these underpayments and overpayments are destroyed now. But what does the destruction of “scissors” mean, say, this year or next year? This means slowing down the industrialization of the country, including the industrialization of agriculture, undermining our still weak young industry and, thus, striking the entire national economy. Can we go for it? Clearly we cannot. Is it necessary to destroy the "scissors" between the city and the village, all these underpayments and overpayments? Yes, definitely need to be destroyed. Can we destroy them now, without weakening our industry, and therefore our national economy? No we can not.
                    What, then, should be our policy? It should consist in gradually weakening these “scissors”, bringing them closer year after year, lowering prices for industrial goods and raising agricultural machinery, which cannot but lead to a reduction in the cost of bread production, so that later, after a number of years , completely destroy this additional tax on the peasantry.
                    Can the peasantry withstand this burden? Of course, it can: firstly, because the severity of this will weaken from year to year, and secondly, because the levy of this additional tax does not occur under capitalist development, where the masses of the peasantry are doomed to impoverishment and exploitation, but conditions of the Soviet system, where the exploitation of the peasantry is excluded from the side of the socialist state and where the payment of this additional tax occurs in the conditions of continuous improvement of the material situation of the peasantry. COLLECTION OF WORKS
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 January 2018 18: 17
                      +2
                      It exists in your head, the “leader,” but for normal people, the logic of JV Stalin is clear and understandable.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 28 January 2018 08: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        It exists in your head, the “leader,” but for normal people, the logic of JV Stalin is clear and understandable.

                        For normal people of the 20th century, the word "tribute", and even from OWN to the people, DOES NOT exist.
                        If the brains in the economy are enough only to select (to take TRIBUTE, to rob), then we must urgently give way to more intelligent people.
                        And he can be leaders only for the same "wise men". fool
                        By the way, nobody ever chose him anywhere. hi
              2. Hantengri
                Hantengri 25 January 2018 19: 35
                +5
                Quote: Olgovich
                What again, you don’t know?

                That's right, Olgovich! Be silent! "Fasten yourself!" (c) "I will give you parabellum!" (with). laughing And then, all of a sudden, they cease to call you 3,141592653589793238462643 ... zdabolom ?! What will you be offended by when, after 4 months, it will again become profitable for you to “be offended”?
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 48
                  +3
                  do not forget to give him 2 rounds ... first, he’ll definitely miss it in his forehead .. God forbid, he’ll fall from the second ..
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 26 January 2018 08: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  That's right, Olgovich! Be silent! "Fasten yourself!" (c) "I will give you parabellum!" (with). And then, all of a sudden, they cease to call you 3,141592653589793238462643 ... zdabolom ?! What will you be offended by when, after 4 months, it will again become profitable for you to “be offended”?

                  How many times you need to send you to stop imposing? Sending, sending, and you all come back and come back. Neither pride nor priderequest
                  Come away from me again.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 January 2018 09: 55
                    +3
                    And if, Khan Tengri, a boomerang of fate? They do not joke with fate, after all. Once I do not understand, two and want .... laughing
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 26 January 2018 10: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      A,a boomerang of fate?

                      Such a boomerang ::

                      lol
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 January 2018 11: 47
                        +2
                        belay Oh, in vain you don’t listen to the signs of fate. I wish they read the poster and tried to understand what it was about. Some kind of formalism, right. Neither to the village, nor to the city.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 26 January 2018 15: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Quote: avva2012
                        A,a boomerang of fate?

                        Such a boomerang ::

                        lol
                        Oh and in vain you FSE laugh at Olgovich! Anyone can offend a patient? .. After all, what happened ?????? HE SAME HIMSELF WITH A SOCIALIST WORKER IDENTIFIED !!!!! That's what! HOORAY! Soon he will recover, change his name, gender, age and will return new, good.
                    2. Hantengri
                      Hantengri 26 January 2018 13: 06
                      +3
                      Quote: avva2012
                      And if, Khan Tengri, a boomerang of fate? They do not joke with fate, after all. Once I do not understand, two and want ....

                      This is an idea, doctor! (Leaving to sculpt a voodoo doll.) laughing
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 26 January 2018 14: 02
                        +3
                        Quote: HanTengri
                        Quote: avva2012
                        And if, Khan Tengri, a boomerang of fate? They do not joke with fate, after all. Once I do not understand, two and want ....

                        This is an idea, doctor! (Leaving to sculpt a voodoo doll.) laughing

                        Everything is not so !!!!!!! YOU FORGOT about the most important ----- Olgovich ---------- where he lives. !!!!! He knows how to guess on maps !!!!! !!!! And these cards. he himself drew !!!!!! Doctors do not allow cards in psychiatry! Therefore, he does not read books!
                        And of course he blinded a voodoo doll. From what it was. Horror !!!!!!!! HAPPEN !!!!!!! I would rather cure him, I would become a man.
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 January 2018 16: 06
                        +2
                        There is a suspicion that the evil fate, the Son of Heaven prepared for him crying
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 January 2018 07: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Oh, in vain you don’t listen to the signs of fate. I wish they read the poster and tried to understand what it was about. Some kind of formalism, right. Neither to the village, nor to the city.

                      . In vain YOU so.
                      A-A good poster for the rude and long lol ..
                  2. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 26 January 2018 13: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    How many times you need to send you to stop imposing? Sending, sending, and you all come back and come back. Neither pride nor pride
                    Come away from me again.

                    Let me remind you, Olgovich, that you declared the moratorium on communication with me unilaterally. yes : I reserved the right to communicate with you on a common basis.
                    PS If you do not want people unpleasant to you to answer your comments, just put the shovel, turn off the fan and stop writing these comments! This is elementary, Olgovich! lol
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 55
                      +3
                      strange he .. first ignores then answers .. I think this is insanity ...
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 January 2018 18: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: long in stock.
                        strange he .. first ignores then answers .. I think this is insanity ...

                        No, this is terrible loneliness in a room without furniture, without a window, quilted from the inside !!!!!!!! + + insanity!
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 January 2018 07: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      Let me remind you, Olgovich, that you declared the moratorium on communication with me unilaterally. : I reserved the right to communicate with you on a common basis.
                      PS If you do not want people unpleasant to you to answer your comments, just put the shovel, turn off the fan and stop writing these comments! This is elementary, Olgovich!

                      You are sent again.
      3. uskrabut
        uskrabut 25 January 2018 15: 03
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        Every normal person will not like such a society in which only 10% of the population died of starvation

        I already thought that a comrade began to write about the 90s in Russia. But no, he has nightmares.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 25 January 2018 15: 16
          +7
          Tambov wolf, comrade to him.
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 49
            +2
            in vain you are so .. the wolves are legible animals ..
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 26 January 2018 09: 59
              +2
              So then, not a wolf, but a "Tambov wolf," something like a pedal. ps to horses, I, too, are very good.
    6. albert
      albert 25 January 2018 20: 46
      +5
      Quote: venaya
      a lot of apparently paid trolls appeared on the site,

      From the sect of monarchists yes As soon as we talk about the Communists, they are right there.
  3. moskowit
    moskowit 25 January 2018 06: 43
    +7
    Thus, on the planet for the first time a socialist state emerged that freed itself from social parasites (exploiters), oppressed some people by others, established social justice, thereby challenging "bourgeois civilization" and international financial capital (global parasites and predators). It was a breakthrough into the future, a chance not only of the peoples of a multinational Russian civilization, but of all mankind to a just world order without division into “elected” and “two-legged tools”.

    Such happiness, we all ... were ... For the sake of our own vegetable gardens and "candle factory" ... And we got a "wild nobility" ... Eh ... Cases, aah ....
  4. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 07: 21
    10
    Article minus. When reading it, the impression was that the author did not bother writing his own text, but simply copied the pages of a textbook entitled "History of the CPSU", adding at the end his own standard passage about "civilization". All the "decrees" mentioned in the text were essentially declarative papers of a predominantly propaganda nature. The Peace Decree resulted in the shameful, humiliating Brest Peace, which deprived Russia and its people of the fruits of a three-year struggle against the German bloc. The "land decree" recognized the so-called "black redistribution", and during the "collectivization" was completely ignored. The “Declaration” mentioned in the title of the article was hidden behind pathos by the fact that in the new state a person became not a subject of labor relations, but an object of exploitation by the state. If there is an opportunity to come to an agreement with a human employer, then there is no way to negotiate with the state machine, which was shown in 1940, when criminal liability was introduced for the “unauthorized change of job”.
    And it would be a shame for a decent person to remember the “declaration of the rights of peoples”, because on the basis of this paper the shameful policy of “radicalizing” and nationalizing the republics of the USSR, which, due to this policy, amicably escaped from the united state as soon as possible, was carried out.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 January 2018 10: 22
      +5
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      behind the pompous words hid the fact that in the new state a person did not become the subject of labor relations, but the object of exploitation by the state.

      And so the oppressed went into battle and died with the words "For the Motherland, for Stalin" ...
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 11: 45
        +8
        Dear Boris, the Nazi tyranny was even worse than the communist regime, so it is not surprising that people went to war to defend their loved ones. As for the slogans ... According to the memoirs of veterans with the words "For Stalin", mostly political workers went into battle. And the soldiers picked him up. And that’s not always, “Hurray!” shouted more often.
      2. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 25 January 2018 11: 49
        +7
        That is, in the first year of the war, about 3,5 million people surrendered to German captivity. Already such was the enthusiasm for Dzhugashvili to die.
        They started to fight seriously only when: they returned the epaulettes, remembered the "Russian great-power chauvinism", and also found out that the German captivity is certain death, and the German did not come to liberate, but to destroy and capture.
        And they died with very different words on their lips: “Mommies!”, “Oh!”, “Ahhh.”
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 January 2018 12: 04
          +4
          Quote: Dzmicer
          That is, in the first year of the war, about 3,5 million people surrendered to German captivity.

          Do you mean a construction battalion building fortifications in new territories? Do you mean the treacherous actions of Zhukov at the beginning of the war, and others like him, who, with the help of Hitler, dream of throwing away Stalin and themselves becoming emperors of all Russia?
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 25 January 2018 12: 15
            +5
            I mean objective reality. In which Soviet citizens, by primacy, did not show a special desire to resist the enemy to death (this was the case, but it was not massive, but focal in nature).
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 25 January 2018 12: 17
              +5
              Quote: Dzmicer
              Soviet citizens at first did not show much desire for resistance to the enemy

              Is it true? belay
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 25 January 2018 13: 49
                +4
                A good collection of memoirs is edited by Aleksandrov: "Under the Germans," you can familiarize yourself.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 26 January 2018 01: 07
                  +6
                  Quote: Dzmicer
                  A good collection of memoirs is edited by Aleksandrov: "Under the Germans," you can familiarize yourself.

                  What kind of alexander is this? Is the Vlasovian modern or what? Who wrote a doctoral dissertation on Vlasov.? Well, well.
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 27 January 2018 03: 59
                  +5
                  A good collection of memories is edited by Aleksandrov: "Under the Germans"

                  FROM THE AUTHOR-COMPARER: .... For decades, the impression was created of how Soviet people suffered, died and courageously resisted, secretly listened to the optimistic Sovinformburo reports on the radio, pasted leaflets at night and looked forward to the approach of the front line, while remaining faithful to the ideals and moral strength of the world's first socialist state.
                  I did not read further. In my opinion, in any country except the Russian Federation, such an author was tried and sentenced for a long time to sit, think, and atone with shock labor before the people, the abomination that he poured on our past. Distributors of such an abomination should think that they are also accomplices of this crime, they, like Aleksandrov, are fascist accomplices.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 27 January 2018 09: 36
                    +4
                    Hello Alexander! I didn’t look at it, because I read part of that dissertation. The abomination of abomination. They say ----- the hall was not crowded. Well, at least they didn’t give him a doctor. Has he ever published a compilation? Or vice versa, in the wake of the dissertation?
        2. uskrabut
          uskrabut 25 January 2018 15: 06
          +9
          Quote: Dzmicer
          That is, in the first year of the war, about 3,5 million people surrendered to German captivity.

          And then what prevented us from taking and surrendering directly to the whole country oppressed by Stalin? They took and inadvertently defeated Nazi Germany, and even freed half the globe. About how our grandfathers were pierced.
        3. uskrabut
          uskrabut 25 January 2018 15: 13
          +8
          Quote: Dzmicer
          They started to fight seriously only when: they returned epaulettes

          In your opinion, our soldiers were tearing the anus for their licks? Is it normal with a conscience?
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 25 January 2018 15: 15
            +5
            Not for the bastards. For the honor. There are no more ambitious people on this planet than Russians.
            1. uskrabut
              uskrabut 25 January 2018 15: 19
              +7
              Perhaps for honor, but there was more anger towards the invaders and a thirst for revenge for their death and destruction of the country.
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 25 January 2018 15: 21
                +4
                You underestimate the power of pride and ambition of a Russian person. But the powerful Russian Empire was thrown up with this lever (see the February coup).
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 25 January 2018 17: 35
                  +7
                  The driving force of February, and the workers and soldiers organizing the Russian bourgeoisie ... The Russian bourgeoisie, by virtue of their pride and ambition, decided to pluck the empire ...?
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 25 January 2018 18: 20
                    +4
                    Without the betrayal of the high command, all this "bourgeoisie", "workers" and "soldiers" would be drowned in blood.
                    1. parusnik
                      parusnik 25 January 2018 19: 39
                      +4
                      But what Mr. Guchkov is not a bourgeoisie of poor peasants? From the age of 16 he went to the front, the generals beat up treason and he was not alone ....
                2. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 25 January 2018 19: 55
                  +4
                  Quote: Dzmicer
                  You underestimate the power of pride and ambition of a Russian person.

                  Are you looking at yourself in the mirror? lol On their own people are not judged! Do not agree? Scientific research on the topic: "The power of pride and ambition of a Russian person, in comparison with other peoples." to the studio!
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 25 January 2018 22: 30
                    +1
                    Well, the Khan of Tengri is the Russian soul more visible than the Russian philosopher D.E. Galkovsky. Where is Khan Tengri, and where is some kind of Galkovsky! laughing
                    1. Hantengri
                      Hantengri 25 January 2018 23: 57
                      +6
                      Yes, where are we, dumb "churkobesam" lol, to the widely known, in narrow circles of the "philosopher", the idol of the "giants of thought", judging the nationality of the interlocutor by the flag and nickname! laughing
                      PS After such an "advertising" of the unfortunate Galkovsky, I do not even want to read it. For, as a rule, the intellectual level of the “philosopher” correlates with the intelligence level of his admirers. laughing
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 25 January 2018 19: 03
              +4
              .you even understand that the concepts of "honor" and "ambition" are the very opposite concepts. Damn. if you could write beautiful expressions !!!
              1. uskrabut
                uskrabut 26 January 2018 11: 11
                +1
                Quote: Seeker
                the concepts of "honor" and "ambition" are the very opposite concepts

                Bravo!
                From myself I will add that pride and pride are also completely different concepts.
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 25 January 2018 15: 24
            +5
            Is it normal with a conscience?
            Are you sure the question was understood?
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 25 January 2018 07: 25
    +6
    Finally, an article without conspiracy theories ... What we have is not stored, but lost, weep ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 25 January 2018 09: 55
      +8
      What we have is not stored, but lost, weep ...
      As you can see, Alexei, judging by some comments, is not all. Like some host, oh how you like it.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 January 2018 10: 39
        +5
        He who seeks his master will remain an eternal slave. This fully applies to our pro-Western elite and some commentators on the site.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 25 January 2018 11: 18
          +5
          I agree with you, Boris.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 25 January 2018 13: 24
        +3
        Like some host, oh how you like it.
        ... Probably because some of the owners themselves are ... It gives pleasure to bother someone ...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 25 January 2018 14: 40
          +4
          Alexei, what are you, what owners ?! These citizens, even to their brains, cannot be considered masters. There are enough abilities for re-chasing Ukrainian sites, cheap NTS libels, and some even shy away other people's thoughts from LJ for giving out comments.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 25 January 2018 17: 30
            +4
            Well, he conditionally has "three slaves on the plantations", they do him a ku ... And he drags around ... Like the owner ... It’s a pity that the minuses were canceled .. By the number of minuses we could determine the approximate number of " new owners "... laughing
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 57
              +4
              You can raise the vote on the site before the elections to the last Duma, there were even those who were going to vote for Parnassus, and you say "master" would be more suitable, "without a king in my head."
            2. Hantengri
              Hantengri 25 January 2018 20: 25
              +4
              Quote: parusnik
              Well, he conditionally has "three slaves on the plantations," they do him a ku ... But he drags himself ... Like a master ...

              You do not understand. Often, "three slaves on plantations" is just a virtual carrot in front of the face of the next egocentric "donkey". Greater "donkey" is not supposed to. But he, fortunately for himself, is not trained to think.
      3. Hantengri
        Hantengri 25 January 2018 19: 59
        +5
        Quote: avva2012
        Like some host, oh how you like it.

        "People of the servile rank are real dogs sometimes;
        The heavier the punishment - the more gentlemen gentlemen they are "(c)
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2018 05: 48
          +6
          A slave does not dream of freedom, but of his own slaves. /Boris Krutier/
  6. Cheburator
    Cheburator 25 January 2018 09: 40
    24
    The people remained working and exploited
    The empty exhaust turned out to be
    A couple of generations tried to live under socialism (on the bones of other categories of the population) - and then the mustache, their descendants - into wild capitalism in a step arsh.
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 25 January 2018 11: 51
      +6


      - Dad, what is capitalism?
      - This is when a person exploits a person.
      - And what is socialism?
      - It's when the other way around
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 25 January 2018 20: 22
        +6
        Quote: Dzmicer
        Dad, what is capitalism?
        - This is when a person exploits a person.
        - And what is socialism?
        - It's when the other way around

        Ironically in vain. The main difference between socialism and capitalism is that this system completely excludes the possibility of to the "chosen ones" live elected. It is this fact that haunts our today's "favorites."
        As soon as we return to socialism, and it comes inevitably, the opportunity to parasitize the whole will end "elected elite." It is understood and "elite", and their minions such as olgovich, Rus, lieutenant and the like, here they are from malice from impotence.
  7. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 25 January 2018 12: 27
    +6
    The Declaration .... The Declaration was purely advertising in nature - to tell the citizens of their country and the whole world about "what good uncles came to power in Russia." And she completed her task. In the 20-30 years, absolutely the whole world was sure that the USSR was a paradise for workers and peasants. Unfortunately, the truth turned out to be much more severe and less beautiful, which subsequently caused rejection among workers in the same West. A great plus of the Declaration can and should be attributed to the fact that after it the owners of enterprises in the West themselves were forced to begin to improve the working conditions and lives of their workers.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 53
      +4
      if it was purely advertising, then why in the West they began to improve the lives of workers? So who and who the capitalists in advertising knew a lot about, is it still not advertising?
  8. Adjutant
    Adjutant 25 January 2018 12: 28
    +5
    A declaration is a declaration.
    Good wishes ...
    But history is history - a fact had a place to be, and played an important role
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 25 January 2018 15: 17
      +5
      Quote: Adjutant
      Good wishes ...

      Then it was not about good wishes (by which, as you know, the road to hell is strewn down) that was discussed, then the country was saved from imminent collapse. As it turned out, the Communists were the only real force capable of rallying the people, and the only ones specifically offering people.
  9. uskrabut
    uskrabut 25 January 2018 14: 38
    +4
    "Created an independent financial and credit system, necessary for the normal development of the national economy, free from world and local" parasites. "
    Question: Why was it broken in the 90s? And there can only be one answer: I prevented theft.
    "Power must belong entirely to the working masses and their plenipotentiary representation - to the Soviets of workers, soldiers and peasants' deputies."
    It is a very sensible idea, but on condition that the banking system is isolated from abroad, so that there is no temptation to steal. Then this condition was met.
    In general, the Bolsheviks were able to offer the robbed people a suitable direction for the development of the country, otherwise their power would not have been maintained.
  10. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 25 January 2018 16: 00
    +2
    Soviet power really cared about the people. Hands of the Chinese and Latvians.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 30
      +3
      The priest had a dog, he loved her. She ate a piece of meat, he killed her. And buried it in the ground, and the inscription wrote that .. The priest had a dog, he loved her ....
      Are the pages stuck together? Latvians, Chinese, Latvians, Chinese .....
  11. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 17: 11
    +1
    avva2012,
    And when did the Politburo manage to become a legislative body in the USSR vested with the right to repeal the provisions of the Constitution of the USSR?
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 25 January 2018 17: 58
      +5
      First of all, read your statement, and then about “Constitutional Law”, maybe we'll talk.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 18: 41
        +1
        Are you embarrassed to answer a question?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2018 05: 50
          +5
          Are you embarrassed to answer a question?

          Reply to the one who lies? Yes, I'm not shy, disdain.
  12. Looking for
    Looking for 25 January 2018 18: 14
    +4
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Olgovich Today, 09:42 ↑ New
    They arranged October for us, and for themselves they preferred to live in the West: it was there that the daughters-granddaughters of Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev, Suslov, etc. live.
    Well, where without Olgovich? He could not go through the theme of the Revolution and not throw shit on the fan ...
    Let it be known to you, dear, that during the lifetime of Stalin, ALL the children of the Soviet elite not only lived here, but also fought along with everyone, including the sons of Joseph Vissarionovich. Right now, you spat on the grave of Yakov Dzhugashvili and not just him. And who are you after that? I would tell you who, yes, they will immediately ban ...
    And the fact that after the death of Stalin came the scoundrel and traitor Khrushch, well, this is already a defect in Beria, unfortunately. By the way, for you, too, they were flawed, much to my regret.

    According to such Olgovichi, everything is still not lost. The main thing is not to pull.
  13. Looking for
    Looking for 25 January 2018 18: 38
    +3
    Lieutenant Teterin,
    And whose will you be, by chance, not from the Palestinian Cossacks? "
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 18: 42
      +1
      Russian, if you are so interested in my nationality. From the hereditary townspeople.
  14. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 19: 32
    +3
    avva2012,
    You are a terrific person. Have you ever read the USSR Constitution of 1936? Looks like no. Then here are quotes from The basic law of the USSR
    Article 14. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the person of its highest bodies of authority and bodies of state administration shall be subject to: ....) legislation on the judicial system and legal proceedings; Criminal and Civil Code

    The highest bodies of state power of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [edit]
    Article 30. The supreme body of state power of the USSR is the Supreme Council of the USSR.

    Article 31. The Supreme Soviet of the USSR exercises all the rights assigned to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in accordance with Article 14 of the Constitution, since they do not fall, by virtue of the Constitution, into the competence of the organs of the USSR accountable to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR; Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and People's Commissariats of the USSR.

    Article 32. The legislative power of the USSR is exercised exclusively by the Supreme Council of the USSR.

    Article 102. Justice in the USSR shall be administered by the Supreme Court of the USSR, Supreme Courts of the Union Republics, regional and regional courts, courts of the autonomous republics and autonomous regions, district courts, special courts of the USSR, created by order of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, people's courts.

    Please read these extracts from the text of the Constitution carefully. Have you read? Now answer the question: where is the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks listed in the 1936 Constitution of the USSR as the state authority authorized to create extra-judicial punitive bodies? Anyone who wrote the material presented in your quote is completely illiterate in legal and historical terms. The law on the state of emergency, as well as the law on (this is in the text of the Constitution, I specially singled out for you) could only pass a special court Supreme Council of the USSR, as a body, in accordance with the Constitution, is empowered to exercise the right of the people to power. And the "troika" proposed by the NKVD and approved by the Politburo are, in the legal sense, an illegal organ that contradicts the Constitution of the USSR.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 26 January 2018 06: 23
      +3
      Article 102. Justice in the USSR is administered by the Supreme Court of the USSR, Supreme Courts of the Union Republics, regional and regional courts, courts of autonomous republics and autonomous regions, district courts, special courts of the USSR, established by order of the Supreme Council of the USSR, people's courts.
      And the "troika" proposed by the NKVD and approved by the Politburo are, in the legal sense, an illegal body that contradicts the Constitution of the USSR.

      The Communist Party was proclaimed the governing body of state and public organizations. The bicameral Supreme Soviet of the USSR was declared the highest legislative power in the country, and in the intervals between its sessions - the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. The country's government retained the old name - the Council of People's Commissars. The Council of People's Commissars was the highest executive body, accountable to the Supreme Council and its Presidium.
      POLITBURO OF THE CPSU Central Committee - supreme body The Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1917 and 1919-1991, who also played the role of the supreme organ of state power in the USSR. The Supreme Council of the USSR, is it a state authority? And the Communist Party was proclaimed governing body of state and public organizations.
      WHAT, did you claim initially? "
      In other words, NKVD leadership, bypassing the Constitution of the USSR, it appropriated judicial functions. And no one, including the head of the USSR Dzhugashvili, paid attention to this.

      I repeat what was above:
      In anticipation of the war, when they discovered how many hostile elements were in the country, it became clear that according to the court, even the government cannot neutralize them - and the USSR by that time was, I repeat, a lawful state with a complex judicial procedure....... So the “troika” it was a typical military court, demergency. It is outrageous that now a lot of people have appeared who justify the Stolypin emergency courts, but condemn the "troika". But these are phenomena of the same nature. And there’s nothing good in either body. "Http://1937god.info/node/1227
      Firstly, you lied that the NKVD itself appropriated the functions of non-judicial reprisal. Secondly, you think that there was no emergency situation in the country, and since you cannot say this because you have no evidence for this, you lied a second time. And thirdly, similar things happened in other countries and even in our country, a little earlier. Write about the Stolypin extrajudicial killings. Justify the legality of the military field courts, based on the Constitution of the Republic of Ingushetia)), or the Code of Laws of the Republic of Ingushetia.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 January 2018 06: 32
        +3
        PS "According to the Party Charter, the Politburo was subordinate and accountable to the Central Committee, and its main function was to direct the political work of the Central Committee of the party between the plenums. In fact, it addressed all the most important political, ideological, economic, domestic and foreign policy issues. Preparations for the meetings of the Politburo (held in mainly the weekly, in separate periods more often or less frequently) was carried out by the Central Committee Secretariat, on each agenda item (usually above 10) a rapporteur was appointed in advance, draft decisions were prepared (sent out for preliminary The members of the Central Committee of the Party could attend the meetings with the right of an advisory vote. The minutes of the meetings of the Politburo could be read by the members and candidates for membership of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B) -KPSS, leaders of party control bodies Decisions of many meetings were recorded under the heading of highest secrecy (“Special Folder”). To develop individual issues, the Politburo created commissions. Only after the approval of the Politburo did the most important decisions of all legislative bodies and the government gain legal force. The Politburo also approved candidacies for positions belonging to the highest nomenclature of party-state ...... In the Great Patriotic War, the role of the Politburo as a power body was preserved, most of its members joined the GKO (formed on 30.6.1941 of the year; chairman was Stalin). In October 1952, at the 19th Congress of the CPSU, the Politburo at the initiative of Stalin was transformed into a wider Central Committee Presidium. Until March 1953, it included 25 people. "Http://w.histrf.ru/articles/article/show/politbiu
        ro_tsk_kpss
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 26 January 2018 13: 19
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          Only after the approval of the Politburo did the most important decisions of all legislative bodies and the government gain legal force.


          But how can this be in a state of law? For the organ of a political party to place itself above the national parliament — the Supreme Soviet of the USSR? Do you understand that this is arbitrariness, lawlessness, which is impossible in a state of law?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 26 January 2018 16: 53
            +2
            What legal state do you compare with? 1936 year: Germany? no comment, Spain, Poland, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Greece, too. What is left? Great Britain, France and the USA overseas. Which of these trinity, the USSR, was to equal? ps For example, in the 21 century, in Saudi Arabia, they can chop off a hand or stone and at the same time, "the best friend of the United States." Constitutional state? And nothing, live for yourself. Features in this country are as follows. Iran, one of the oldest civilizations on the planet. There, theocracy. And also the rule of law. In my own way. Why, you refuse the right of the USSR, as a sovereign state, to live as it wants. With its own characteristics. For example, in the USSR, the CPSU (B.), Was a party in power, which not only ruled, but also answered before the law. And those who violated it, in 1938-39, suffered severe punishment.
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 26 January 2018 18: 40
            +5
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            But how can this be in a state of law? For the organ of a political party to place itself above the national parliament — the Supreme Soviet of the USSR? Do you understand that this is arbitrariness, lawlessness, which is impossible in a state of law?

            But is it different in England, Germany and the USA?
            There, the same one that won the party forms its own government, and through its deputies in parliament and its ministers in the Cabinet of Ministers pursues its policy, implementing its program - the program of preserving capitalism.
            So it is in the Soviet state. The Communist Party through its party members in the Supreme Council of the Council of Ministers implemented its program - the program of building socialism and communism.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 26 January 2018 09: 26
        +3
        Quote: avva2012
        The Communist Party was proclaimed the governing body of state and public organizations

        Lying, as always. Because clueless:
        Chapter three
        HIGHER AUTHORITIES OF STATE AUTHORITY OF THE UNION OF SOVIET
        SOCIALIST REPUBLIC
        Article 30. The supreme body of state power of the USSR
        is the Supreme Council of the USSR.

        No higher authority over the sun no more.
        Chapter x
        BASIC RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES CITIZENS
        Article 126. In accordance with the interests of workers and in the purposes
        development of organizational activities and political
        activity of the masses to citizens of the USSR
        secured right
        associations in public organizations: trade unions,
        cooperative associations, youth organizations, sports and
        defense organizations, cultural, technical and scientific
        society, and the most active and conscious citizens of the ranks
        working class, working peasants and labor intelligentsia
        voluntarily unite in the Soviet Communist Party
        Union, which is the advanced detachment of workers in their struggle for
        building a communist society and representing
        the leading core of all workers' organizations, as public
        and state.

        core organizations of WORKERSrather than the Supreme Council — for development amateur performance and political activity of the masses. Got it?
        Again you are in-deep, yes. lol
        Quote: avva2012
        there was no emergency in the country

        And what was the emergency, without war, without natural disasters? In some paranoia? So this is an emergency only for them. lol
        И respect, in the end, the legislation of the Russian Federation: ALL of these triples and other rubbish were recognized as ILLEGAL and NOT corresponding to the then Legislation.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2018 11: 52
          +3
          We read the book, we see a fig? You, try to comprehend, at least once read. Once, Olgovich. Suddenly like it?
          were found to be ILLEGAL

          By whom? You, again about yourself in the third person?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 27 January 2018 09: 20
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            We read the book, we see a fig? You, try to comprehend, at least once read. Once, Olgovich. Suddenly like it

            For a tanker lol Again:
            Chapter x
            BASIC RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS OF CITIZENS
            Section 126. B in accordance with the interests of workers and in order to
            development of organizational activities and political
            activity of the masses
            USSR citizens are guaranteed the right
            associations in public organizations: trade unions,
            cooperative associations, youth organizations, sports and
            defense organizations, cultural, technical and scientific
            society, and the most active and conscious citizens of the ranks
            working class, working peasants and labor intelligentsia
            voluntarily unite in the Soviet Communist Party
            Union, which is the advanced detachment of workers in their struggle for
            building a communist society and representing
            the leading core of all workers' organizationsas public
            and state.
            The Communist Party is the CORE of the org-th working people. For what?
            Again tanker lol :
            in order to development of organizational activities and political activity of the masses

            Organs supreme authority-cm. Chapter III
            Quote: avva2012
            By whom? You, again about yourself in the third person?

            TO THE TANKER ONCE AGAIN:
            1. The Supreme Council of the USSR of January 16.01.1989, XNUMX:
            1. Condemn Extrajudicial mass repressions of the period of Stalinism, admit The “troika” of the NKVD — UNKVD, the colleges of the OGPU and the “special meetings” of the NKVD — MGB — the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR that were in force in the 30s – 40s and early 50s and set aside their extrajudicial decisions,

            2. The law of the Russian Federation "On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression" of 18.10.91/XNUMX/XNUMX
            Read the source, not the tales of the Communist Party and Communist Party: you will not look so stupid.
            PS Do not be ashamed SO not to know the history of our country? request
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 28 January 2018 10: 38
              +3
              Dumber than whom? Are you hinting at yourself? This is not real, nature, however, has limitations. And what they wrote, you, such politicians, are not interested. Destroy, not build. God be their judge.
      3. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 26 January 2018 13: 17
        +3
        Avva, one of two things — either you deliberately try to scoff at me and all the VO subscribers, or you simply refuse to understand a simple thing: VKPb and its organs were not the highest bodies of state power of the USSR. I have cited the articles of the Constitution above. The party and its bodies WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION AS THE HIGHER AUTHORITIES OF STATE AUTHORITY. You see, the party or the Politburo could submit a law to the Supreme Council, but they couldn’t adopt any normative acts, do you understand this or not? "Troika" were created bypassing the Constitution of the USSR and the legislative procedure. A state of emergency on the territory of the USSR was not introduced (unlike law 1906 of the year)
        Here is a quote for you:
        On the basis of Article 87 of the Code of Basic State Laws, edition of 1906: in areas declared martial law or in a state of emergency protection, the Governor-General, persons who are in charge or vested with their authority shall be granted in cases where the institution of a criminal act by the person of the civilian department is so it is obvious that there is no need to investigate it, to transfer the accused to the Military Field Court, with the use of punishment under applicable martial law laws, for judgment, in the manner prescribed by the following rules:

        Do you understand? The Stolypin military courts were created in accordance with the law, on the basis of the powers enshrined in the Basic Laws. And the “troika”, in order to be legal, had to be created also in accordance with the law, and not the decision of a political party. Even if it’s “leading"
        PS And you can leave your source from which you quote. All the same, it is written by an absolutely illiterate person in legal terms.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2018 17: 32
          +4
          not a decision of a political party. Even if it’s “leading"

          In the USSR, there was a right. The Communist Party, at that time, was the Law, whether you like it or not. It was not the NKVD or some other government agency that accepted and did what he wanted. You, trying from the modern law, moreover, bourgeois, to judge what is legal and what is not legal in the 1936 year. Any bourgeois country, can do anything with rights and law, is silent. And the CPSU (b) took responsibility, then and then, during the war, creating the GKO. Was the Constitution of the USSR, the legal justification of T-bills? Maybe he didn’t have to be created? "In the Soviet Union, it was believed that power is inseparable and belongs exclusively to the people. The people conduct this power through the councils they elect. And the party, through its members directs the work of the councils. The party’s current policy is carried out by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.)."
          PS And you can leave your source from which you quote. All the same, it is written by an absolutely illiterate person in legal terms.

          In any case, “my” source is not from Bandera.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 27 January 2018 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Avva, one of two — either you deliberately try to scoff at me and all the VO subscribers, or you simply refuse to understand a simple thing: VKPb and its organs were not the highest organs of state power of the USSR. I have cited the articles of the Constitution above. The party and its bodies WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION AS THE HIGHER AUTHORITIES OF STATE AUTHORITY. Do you understand?

          He understands, but ... DOES NOT WANT to understand. Him- painfully crying
  15. Horseman without a head
    Horseman without a head 26 January 2018 00: 30
    16
    Now I would have him, Lenin
    And the whole world would collapse at the feet
    And then the rich mow down under the Communists, and themselves who knows who
  16. pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 26 January 2018 08: 10
    0
    Yeah Judging by the comments, the country is still divided into “red” and “white”.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 26 January 2018 08: 55
      +3
      no. the country is divided into those who work and those who are lawyers .. and it has always been like that in all countries ..
      1. pro100y.belarus
        pro100y.belarus 26 January 2018 11: 42
        +2
        It turns out then that if a person was born a "non-lawyer", then he must work for them all his life?
        Xm And who then works in Israel, if all the "lawyers" are there?
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 57
          +2
          Israel they have nowhere to go ... there are all-lawyers .. and not all of us ..
  17. avva2012
    avva2012 26 January 2018 16: 12
    +3
    Reptiloid,
    Can anyone offend a sick person? ..

    Dmitry, the only thing he has is sick, is that among normal people he calls his conscience, but he doesn’t call him, because, he stammered her half to death, he’s afraid to utter a laugh.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 26 January 2018 17: 09
      +2
      Alexander! Of course, the case is very serious and complicated, because he stammered his mind, believes his cards are home-made, and the troll, which is like a black grouse on a current. As they say now, some doctors in x / f ---- We are losing it !!!!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 January 2018 18: 10
        +2
        If only Dmitry! The bodily membrane seems to live and thrive. And what we are discussing is immaterial. request
    2. long in stock.
      long in stock. 26 January 2018 17: 58
      +3
      that is, can we talk about genocide of conscience for individual patients?
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 January 2018 18: 07
        +3
        I think it is necessary to contact the International Tribunal or the organization for the protection of animals. In short, the case is complex. I assume that it is inoperable.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 27 January 2018 09: 41
          0
          yes
          Quote: avva2012
          necessary to the international tribunal contactI or the animal welfare organization

          Not,
          "Contact the world League of Sexual Reforms, . May be, they will help you there".
          (C) lol hi
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 28 January 2018 07: 03
            +1
            I can recommend a comment a little lower on the branch from "long in stock." Do not add, do not decrease, the classic definition for you.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 28 January 2018 09: 02
              0
              Quote: avva2012
              I can recommend a comment a little lower on the branch from "long in stock." Do not add, do not decrease, the classic definition for you.

              For a tanker lol -from the "Golden Calf"
              "Call the World League for Sex Reform, maybe. there you will help". (WITH) hi yes
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 28 January 2018 10: 30
                +2
                laughing Do you think I can’t read or don’t know where this expression comes from? wink Have you read what is recommended? If not, read it.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 28 January 2018 11: 22
                  0
                  Quote: avva2012
                  laughing Do you think I can’t read or don’t know where this expression comes from? wink

                  You, listen, not just read! yes
                  Have you read what is recommended? If not, read it.

                  Once again: I disdain to communicate (and, therefore, read) with boors who love the lower-vocabulary. It's disgusting. And pointless.
                  You like it, you read it. hi
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 28 January 2018 11: 45
                    +2
                    You, you understand, also have to contact you. Believe me, not ice. But what can you do, lies, it is necessary to give a lapel. And so, of course, I would communicate, only with "long in stock", and with "Khan Tengri", and with many, smart and honest people on the site.
                    I, I think, that in the USSR, where, you are the same "Komsomol", with foam at the mouth, as now, we would be criticized for political shortsightedness, not handed over during the notes of V. I. Lenin’s works, as well as membership fees . What kind of breed are you? Formally, people. But in fact, from you, some troubles due to your not understanding the ordinary human.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 28 January 2018 13: 11
                      0
                      [.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      But what can you do, lies, it is necessary to give a lapel.

                      You would at least once- "lie" exposed my. lol
                      Quote: avva2012
                      And so, of course, I would communicate only with "long in stock" and with "Khan Tengri."

                      Swindlers and lovers of lower-lingo jargon is, in your opinion, normal? Is this the norm of communication in society (on the site)? Are you interested in their senseless, countless "ass", stink ", etc., instead of a NORMAL clarification of opinions? request Ahh-they "OWN!" lol
                      So, enjoy yourself, and me (and many others), get rid of this garbage
                      Quote: avva2012
                      I, I think, that in the USSR, where, you are the same “Komsomol”, with foam at the mouth, as now, we would be criticized for political shortsightedness, not handed over during the notes of V. I. Lenin’s works, as well as membership fees

                      What are the aspects of Lenin? Everyone was deep don't give a damn about themincluding Komsomol. Only teachers need waste paper. About myopia-no one said never-would have laughed around. request
                      Quote: avva2012
                      . Hthen for the breed, are you? .

                      Normal, ordinary Russian people who love their thousand-year-old country, its History, Culture, People.
                      Formally, people. But in fact, from you, some troubles due to your not understanding the ordinary human

                      What's wrong with you? belay
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 28 January 2018 13: 21
                        +2
                        Do you people think of garbage? Well, no wonder. I, I say, like you, is a special subspecies of conditionally reasonable life. Or not life, how to look.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 28 January 2018 14: 40
                      0
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Do you people think of garbage? Well, no wonder. I, I say, like you, is a special subspecies of conditionally reasonable life. Or not life, how to look.
                      For a tanker lol I repeat: "You are interested in their meaningless countless" ass ", stink"
                      And the conclusion: "So-enjoy yourself, and me (and many others) -volte from it garbage"
                      Learn to read! hi
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 28 January 2018 15: 53
                        +2
                        I can read and I also understand what meaning is put into words. So do not bustle. What they wanted to say, they said so. They did not spoil their characteristic.
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 29 January 2018 09: 05
                      0
                      Quote: avva2012
                      I can read and I also understand what meaning is put into words.

                      Learn the RUSSIAN language, you DO NOT know it. However, like stories.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      So do not bustle. What they wanted to say, they said so. They did not spoil their characteristic.

                      Before who to bustle ?! belay What for? Your opinion, excuse me, completely ignorant, about me, I do not care. Believe me. yes hi
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 30 January 2018 04: 11
                        +1
                        I am skeptical, to put it mildly, of an alternative story, and in general, you can relate to an alternative story that has passed sublimation through your crinkles only as a "white noise". Accordingly, as "white noise", refers to my opinion, this is a problem of "white noise", and not mine. Shshshshshumite further.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 January 2018 18: 11
        +1
        Quote: long in stock.
        that is, can we talk about genocide of conscience for individual patients?
        conscience and reason! What is left over? What's in favor? It's scary to assume! Guts !!!!!
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 26 January 2018 23: 38
          +3
          before you is a classic example of the triumph of the ass over the mind ..
  18. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 January 2018 16: 51
    +1
    Reptiloid,
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: avva2012
    A,a boomerang of fate?

    Such a boomerang ::

    lol
    Oh and in vain you FSE laugh at Olgovich! Anyone can offend a patient? .. After all, what happened ?????? HE SAME HIMSELF WITH A SOCIALIST WORKER IDENTIFIED !!!!! That's what! HOORAY! Soon he will recover, change his name, gender, age and will return new, good.

    Alexander wrote about the evil fate of Olgovich! Probably, Olgovich got her into his own cards, but nothing, soon everything will return to normal if such a poster was sent! You, Khan, don’t be angry at the Moldavian correspondent that he hinted at you with a burdock! We know that this is not so! He sees himself as a worker!
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 26 January 2018 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Alexander wrote about the evil fate of Olgovich! Probably, Olgovich got her into his own cards, but nothing, soon everything will return to normal if such a poster was sent! You, Khan, don’t be angry at the Moldavian correspondent that he hinted at you with a burdock! We know that this is not so! He sees himself as a worker!

      Comrades, I'm sorry, but you are all mistaken. Olgovich workers does not stand up to the spirit, so he could not see himself workers. Most likely he associates himself with a parasite that climbs with a spoon.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 January 2018 19: 12
        +2
        Dear Alexander! Whether you are right or not ---- time will tell. Someone wrote in comments that many paid employees have been activated recently. This means that such a serious moment is coming.
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 26 January 2018 23: 48
          +4
          ne..olgovich ideological .. you don’t need a knife for a fool, you show him a penny and do what you like with him ..
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 27 January 2018 03: 22
            +2
            And yet, "copper penny"? ))). Perhaps a combination of one with the other. Not many smart people will go to such a "job", to pour mud at home and their ancestors. You can negatively relate to the Idea, but not realize what a country called the USSR has achieved since 1922 of the year.
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 27 January 2018 08: 29
              +3
              Well, as you see, some people who are especially obstinate may .. I'm certainly not a doctor, but these screams bordering on hysteria still give reason to suspect a mental disorder of Olgovich. Yes, and as it is clear from his words, a breakdown of consciousness occurred in his 40-45 years. bad sign ..
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 27 January 2018 11: 58
                +2
                Quote: long in stock.
                Well, as you see, some people who are especially obstinate may .. I'm certainly not a doctor, but these screams bordering on hysteria still give reason to suspect a mental disorder of Olgovich. Yes, and as it is clear from his words, a breakdown of consciousness occurred in his 40-45 years. bad sign ..
                Often I assumed that ........... um, hmm ..... Olgovich ------ old woman. For this article he wrote 2 times, then one, then the other, that he disdain .... But he used it before And never again, no other forum member! .. I work with different people. This is -------- a word from the vocabulary of old women, or elderly ladies.
                Nevertheless, there is somewhere in the depths of the rational, kind, eternal ......... After all, I found a long-standing, respected ----- Soviet poster. !!!!!!! Here Green writes --- - He does not tolerate workers. Yes, that part of it that is printed here by order.
                The personality is bifurcated ....... Or maybe frustrated, calculated?
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 27 January 2018 16: 12
                  +3
                  mosaic schizophrenia superimposed on menopause ...
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 27 January 2018 16: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: long in stock.
                    mosaic schizophrenia superimposed on menopause ...
                    Eeeeeeee no, the withering process of the female body has ended a very long time .. Well, like Shapoklyak or Baba Yaga on a broomstick, he wants to put the children in the stove.
            2. long in stock.
              long in stock. 27 January 2018 19: 45
              +3
              here the main thing is, show ... for the money smart people work in this business, they are few .. and the bulk are exactly the olgovichs and the blacks .. they’re ready to scribble rubbish for free — if you noticed them, it’s obvious they can’t stand out in life or work as. Here and defecate here.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 28 January 2018 07: 58
                +2
                But, one but. Exclude material interest will not work for user data. Too often it turns out that behind such agitators, there are various Western foundations. Well, of course, they themselves are different. One is smarter, the other is more clever, the third has some other properties, etc. One thing unites them, unlike just ideological opponents, is unscrupulousness. Caught in a lie, looking for another lie. "Though ... in the eyes ....."
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 28 January 2018 08: 31
                  +2
                  And you thought, Alexander, how difficult it is for them to live, because the nerves are losing, probably? Taunts, kicks and backsides, and even rude words. Olgovich must have started, contrary to the instructions, the socialist poster prints twice. This is the same with Teterin. It's a question of time.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 28 January 2018 10: 25
                    +2
                    Good, you are a person, Dmitry, regret it. In my opinion, there is nothing to touch. Everything froze for a long time, although in warm territories, some live.
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 28 January 2018 10: 50
                      +3
                      Well ... the officer of the construction battalion is not Khuhra-Mukhra ... constantly dropped bricks on his head. Yes, and he got a shovel from the soldiers ... the sun will not fix it anymore ... yes, and it’s pointless to treat with medication ..
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 28 January 2018 11: 05
                        +2
                        All right. Only in this case, the word officer, in the wrong address. You can’t do such a dirty word, I think.
  19. avva2012
    avva2012 28 January 2018 11: 02
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    OlgovichYou can relate to JV Stalin as you like, but in logic, you cannot refuse him, unlike you. If, you sense of speech, do not understand, these are your problems.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 28 January 2018 14: 56
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      Quote: avva2012
      If, you sense of speech, do not understand, these are your problems.

      Forced collection of DANI from the peasantry (i.e. robbery) -the ONLY way to get funds, no loans can be taken, that’s the whole point.
      A "cool" economic way of raising funds, robbers also get them that way, it is described in Art. 162 of the Criminal Code. yes . The peasants, they asked, do they agree ?! am
      dear man, there is a wonderful Russian proverb: "You can’t, don’t torture!" Go away and let NORMAL people work. yes
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 28 January 2018 15: 48
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        The word, Tribute, in this case, is intended to enhance the semantic effect. If you literally perceive everything that you hear and read without distinguishing between the subtle nuances of speech, then this is either a brain pathology or frank distortion. Of course, I hope for the second, because, in the spirit of how this happens on the site, communicating with a sick person is somehow not ethical.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 January 2018 07: 21
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          One patient is not at all equal to another. Now, if the patient was sitting and was quietly sad, this is one option. And then the patient inarticulately shouts angrily, spits poison, spills excrement at those nearby ... So where is the ethics?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 29 January 2018 08: 16
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            Raven, Dmitry, if this concerns the patient. And it hurts him, and scary, and hence the reactions are different.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 29 January 2018 09: 45
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              Quote: avva2012
              Raven, Dmitry, if this concerns the patient. And it hurts him, and scary, and hence the reactions are different.
              And here I do not agree with you, Alexander! While a person is not in a hospital, but among ordinary people, the attitude towards him will be like an ordinary person, without any priorities. If such a patient is rude, it means attitude and will be like a boor. I didn’t take the Hippocratic oath. I don’t think about his diagnoses. I don’t have to treat or babysit. Yes, and others too
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 29 January 2018 10: 35
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                That and that that I wrote about medical ethics, and not in general. Of course, if it is a boor, it must be "treated" by other methods.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 January 2018 08: 56
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          Quote: avva2012
          The word, Tribute, in this case, is intended to enhance the semantic effect.

          The effect of the meaning of speech: free violent weaning of resources from peasants. Those. tribute, robbery.
          Quote: avva2012
          Of course, I hope for the second, because, in the spirit of how this happens on the site, communicating with a sick person is somehow not ethical

          Sick people are those for whom the Robbery with millions of victims of citizens is a normal way of raising funds for supposedly ... the same citizens fool
          Do not boil the "brain"?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 29 January 2018 09: 26
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            Robbery is an open theft of another's property. It is expressed in the theft of property committed without violence against a person or with violence that is not dangerous to life and health.
            “This is an additional tax on the peasantry in the interests of raising the industry serving the whole country, including the peasantry. It is a kind of“ tribute ”, a kind of supertax that we are forced to take temporarily in order to maintain and develop further the current pace of industry development , to provide industry for the whole country, to further increase the well-being of the village and then completely destroy this additional tax, these “scissors” between the city and the village.
            This is, of course, unpleasant. But we would not be Bolsheviks if we would gloss over this fact and close our eyes to the fact that, without this additional tax on the peasantry, unfortunately, our industry and our country could not do it.
            Why am I talking about this? Because some comrades apparently do not understand this indisputable thing. They based their speeches on the fact that the peasantry overpays on goods, which is absolutely true, and that the peasantry is not paid extra on prices of agricultural products, which is also true. What do they require? They demand that restoration prices for bread be introduced so that these “scissors”, these underpayments and overpayments are destroyed now. But what does the destruction of “scissors” mean, say, this year or next year? This means slowing down the industrialization of the country, including the industrialization of agriculture, undermining our still weak young industry and, thus, striking the entire national economy. Can we go for it? Clearly we cannot. Is it necessary to destroy the "scissors" between the city and the village, all these underpayments and overpayments? Yes, definitely need to be destroyed. Can we destroy them now, without weakening our industry, and therefore our national economy? No we can not.
            What, then, should be our policy? It should consist in gradually weakening these “scissors”, bringing them closer from year to year, withlowering prices for manufactured goods and raising agricultural machinery, which cannot but lead to a reduction in the cost of bread production, so that later, after a number of years, it will completely eliminate this additional tax on the peasantry".I. Stalin. On industrialization and the grain problem. Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) 4-12 July 1928
            Industry developed at an unprecedented pace. Food was needed for industrialization. "Brain" does not learn common truths? fool
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 29 January 2018 15: 35
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              lowering prices for industrial goods and raising agricultural machinery, which cannot but lead to a reduction in the cost of bread production, so that later, after a number of years, it will completely eliminate this additional tax on the peasantry "

              Prices for manufactured goods were growing, like taxes, until the death of the leaders at unchanged purchase prices. This is a robbery. Open.
              Everyone knows this except you lol
              Quote: avva2012
              Food was needed for industrialization.

              You can not, do not torture! NOBODY from the robbed people did not allow anyone to carry out industrialization using such methods. The people, if you remember, were promised jelly rivers and milk shores.
              By the way, there was NO more food (except ... potatoes), it was LESS. Are you again not Copenhagen? lol .
              Quote: avva2012
              "Brain" does not learn common truths?

              Alas, how many times I repeat to you, and to no purpose.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 30 January 2018 04: 25
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                Prices for manufactured goods were growingBy the way, there was NO more food (except ... potatoes), it was LESS. Are you again not Copenhagen?
                “Compared to the 1940 year, in the 1950 year, the Gross Public Product of the USSR grew by 161%, the national income produced - by 164%. The production of capital goods in 1950 increased by 204%, livestock products - 104%, commissioning of the main funds - by 192%, capital investments - 196%, number of workers and employees - by 119%, labor productivity in industry - by 145%, in agriculture - 100%, in railway transport - by 110%, in construction - by 125% . (HX USSR for 60 years. C.14. M. 1977). " "On March 1 of 1949 of the year, the second stage of reducing the prices of consumer goods in state trade by 48 billion rubles was completed, in addition, in cooperative and collective farm trade by 23 billion rubles. The Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) indicated that “as a result of a new decline in prices, the purchasing power of the ruble will again rise significantly and the ruble exchange rate will improve compared to the exchange rate of foreign currencies, the real wages of workers and the intelligentsia will increase again and again will decrease significantly I am the expenses of the peasants for the purchase of industrial goods. "" In this event, the Bolshevik party and the Soviet government showed renewed great concern for the workers, their prosperity, the growth of prosperity and culture "was reported in the editorial of the newspaper Pravda 1 March 1949 years. By a resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, prices were reduced in the following sizes: bread, flour and bakery products, cereals and pasta, meat and sausages, fish and fish products, butter and ghee, woolen and silk fabrics, furs, metal- the host household goods and electrical goods, cameras and binoculars, and a number of other goods - by 10%; coats, suits, dresses and other garment products from woolen fabrics - by 12%; dresses, shirts, blouses and other garments from silk fabrics, shoes, hats - by 15%; cheese and feta cheese, perfumes, hardware and saddles, individual sewing, dishes and household appliances made of plastic, motorcycles and bicycles, radios, pianos, accordions, button accordions, gramophone records, jewelry, typewriters - on 20%; televisions, vodka - at 25%; salt, cement, gramophones, watches, hay - at 30%. By the same Decree, prices were reduced accordingly: in restaurants, canteens, tea houses and other catering establishments. (The newspaper "Pravda", 1 March 1949 g.) ". And this, already 1951 year: Come on, strain your “brain,” produce condensation from the thoughts of the wise. wink "Copenhagen", this expression is not from the Moldavian language. Doing newspeak? The head is not a bo-bo?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 30 January 2018 10: 25
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                  "Compared to 1940, in 1950 году

                  In 1950, 81,2 million tons were harvested. lower as an indicator of 1940 (95,6 million) and result of 1913. (86 million) ( Grain farming // Big Soviet Encyclopedia. M., 1972).

                  Livestock in 1950 the plan provided for its growth to 15,3 million goals, but it turned out to be in stock 13,7 млн (at the same time in 1940 - 20 million). Accordingly, the five-year plan for the production of meat (96%) and milk (Industry of the USSR: Statistical Book. M., 1957. P. 44.) was not fulfilled.

                  Letters of 1952 ::
                  “There is no more strength to remain silent about the difficult situation in which our Soviet people live. There is nothing. The shops are empty ... For eight months now, children have not seen sugar, butter. One bread. True, this is not hunger, but it is impossible to grow a healthy generation on one bread. No vegetables, no cereals - nothing. ”

                  A. B. Aristov, Head of the Central Committee Commission for Verification of the Food Situation
                  (1952) “I was in Ryazan. - What is there? Outages? - No, comrade Stalin, not interruptions, but long ago there no bread, no butter, no sausage. He stood in line with Larionov at 6-7 in the morning, checked. No bread anywhere.

                  For collective farms in 1950 and 1951 standards for the delivery of meat, milk, wool and eggs increased. Moreover, in 1952, procurement prices for the supply of collective farm grain, meat and pork were notmore than in 1940 g., and the fee for potatoes is lower than the cost of its transportation. Wheat was purchased from collective farms for 1 kopeck. for 1 kg at a retail price for flour of 31 kopecks, beef was taken for 23 kopecks, and sold in cities for 1,5 rubles.

                  Collective farmers paid two taxes established back in the 1930s. (except pr. free work on the construction of roads, bridges, etc.) - monetary and in kind. Cash tax was paid at progressive rates, which were regularly reviewed: if in 1940 the collective farmers and individual farmers paid the state 2,4 billion rubles. agricultural tax, then in 1952 - already 8,7 billion. This tax increased in 1948 (by 30% compared with 1947), in 1950 (2,5 times) and 1952 ( another 15,6%) 63. If in 1940 the average amount of tax from the yard was 112 rubles, then ten years later it was already 431, in 1951 - 471, in 1952 - 528 rubles. “A collective farmer who owned a cow, a pig, two sheep, 0,15 hectares of land under potatoes and 0,05 hectares of vegetable beds, paid in 1940. 100 rubles. agricultural tax, and in 1952 - already 1116 rubles. "

                  Quote: avva2012
                  Come on, strain your “brain,” produce condensation from the thoughts of the wise.
                  Tighten comrade Avva, that. Which you practically do not have and at least READ, but the head lol - take care ...
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 January 2018 13: 49
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    The internationalists-Leninists published pretty much decrees, promised the "golden mountains". At least take the most famous "Decree on the Earth", but in fact the latter was taken away and stripped off like sticky, in general, the peasantry was destroyed in two years.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 28 January 2018 14: 01
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      Who fed the working class and the intelligentsia during industrialization? The urban population has grown significantly. Industrial enterprises grew at a pace not even dreamed of in the West. There are open sources on how many people who were not a grower have grown. Who fed them if the peasants were torn off and "generally destroyed"? Who fed the army and rear workers
      during the Great Patriotic War? Try to think before writing. I understand that the flag obliges, but frank stupidity no longer convinces anyone, 90 has passed.
  21. wax
    wax 24 March 2018 13: 05
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    The more I read Alexander Samsonov, the more I get respect for him.