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In the Altai Territory, a “conscript” soldier died during a field exit

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Information Agency TASS reports the deputy military prosecutor of the military unit 56681 of the city of Omsk, Konstantin Koltsov, about the death of a soldier during an exercise in the Altai Territory (CATF Siberian). This part of the Altai division is in charge of. Konstantin Koltsov:
There was a fire. The soldier was lost. Ignition wiring was, we are checking now.

According to the latest data, during the exercises, one of the tents of the military camp set up near the village of Kosiha caught fire. Five soldiers were able to get out of the tent, enveloped in flames. One soldier died. Some of the circumstances that led to the death of a person, as well as why the colleagues did not have time to help him get out of the tent, were clarified.
In the Altai Territory, a “conscript” soldier died during a field exit

It turned out that during the fire the soldiers were inside the tent in a sleeping bag. After a fire, the soldier tried to get out of a sleeping bag, but could not. After some time, he was nevertheless rescued from the tent and sleeping bag and with numerous burns sent to the nearest clinic. Doctors could not save the patient's life.
It is known that we are talking about a conscript soldier who hails from the Republic of Chuvashia.
For reference: in the Altai region today there are severe frosts - about -30-35 degrees Celsius. The field exit demanded special organization of heating of the tents and its control, with which, apparently, the command of the unit failed.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 24 January 2018 17: 12
    15
    Condolences to the family ... Why should a soldier be brought out into the field in such a cold ?! If you look deeper at the problem, then for a year you can’t teach a kid anything ... He couldn’t get out of the sleeping bag, poor ... (((
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 24 January 2018 17: 16
      14
      Quote: Magic Archer
      If you look deeper at the problem, for a year the boy didn’t teach anything ... I couldn’t even get out of a sleeping bag, poor thing ...

      Even if the lifespan of the call to make 25-year-old, it is unlikely to help instantly get out of a sleeping bag while sleeping in a burning tent. It burns like a match.

      But to bring the conscripts to the field gathering in 35-degree frost - there really are questions
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 24 January 2018 17: 20
        +1
        I saw it myself during winter fishing. There was a gas burner and drunk fishermen to blame. Thank God no one was hurt except for the tent and gear
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 January 2018 17: 26
          +7
          You know what I’ll say .. As if there were no .. Idiots can’t teach anything. I mean fishermen. They drink like horses, climb in packs on melted ice ... And the soldier ... there of course you need to figure out how everything was organized. .
          Quote: Magic Archer
          I saw it myself during winter fishing. There was a gas burner and drunk fishermen to blame. Thank God no one was hurt except for the tent and gear
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 24 January 2018 18: 22
        13
        And what questions? If a person can’t fight in conditions of Russian frost, off-road, etc. - then he does not belong in the army. I'm absolutely serious, I'm not talking about "let them survive as they like in tarpaulin boots and overcoats." I mean that "suddenly" was Chechnya, then South Ossetia, and before that the Second World War. If a person is taken into the army, he must be taught, and not only how to clean an automatic machine, but also how to fight on a frost, and how not to freeze on that frost. good Including how to warm a tent and not so to burn.
        If they did everything by order and no rules were violated, then under the execution of the commander that the soldiers were brought out unprepared or not in proper conditions. am And also what kind of organization of the camp and the duty on it that the soldier burned down? It's not my business how to organize a camp, supplies, heating, the only thing in my (civilian) sense must be done is to ensure safety when executing orders! good
        But if the soldiers - violated some order, instructions for using the tent or heating - then the blame is on them, not on the commander (although he is always to blame)
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 24 January 2018 18: 57
          +6
          Mih! The officer in the army is a large parent! He not only waved his saber by giving orders, but also make sure that these orders are carried out! We also lived in tents, we just didn’t have sleeping bags, all the same pseudo-woolen blue blankets and pea jackets and no one he was ill .. Questions about the day-time, he ignited (or fell asleep or wandered around somewhere). The heir on an urgent basis (he went meaningfully himself) is now leaving for training for two months under Chita. I myself instruct him what to bring with me (thanks to my mobile phone) , because the direct commander of all poher with a capital letter. For that, the division commander rushes after conscripts as small children. Who is to blame for this situation?
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 24 January 2018 19: 05
            +2
            It’s not for me to judge - who is guilty, I’m only those who “why they went out to -35 into the fields” I propose to plant am . Whatever the outcomes and conclusions were made and the spawning of the horror that was in the Finnish company.
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 24 January 2018 19: 21
              +5
              Mih. Our army must be able to fight in all weather conditions of our state. At -50 and at + 50. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PREPARED. Accordingly, the military should be dressed, shod and fed according to the weather. For many Russians, minus 35 is not so scary. Problems arise when the responsible people are poheristic, they didn’t teach, they didn’t provide it and they didn’t control me. In my memory, 28 shift workers froze to death (they released an unaccompanied shift on a winter road in the engine banged) There were forty people on the street. Who is to blame? Ras-sloppiness and vodka. To freeze solariums with full tanks is simply the height of idiocy. So, at least to zero, at least fifty, but to teach, monitor and control.
      3. Falcond
        Falcond 24 January 2018 21: 28
        +1
        Come and go, not for the conversation! Questions should be, if they went out in the cold and are not provided with warm accommodation!
        And without an emergency, the army cannot be: where things are dealing with weapons, with equipment, with extreme conditions, things don't go smoothly ..., at least follow the instructions with instructions ..., you won’t foresee everything.
        The guy can’t be returned now.
        Yes, and from the immediate commander, "the head will fly" ...
      4. tomket
        tomket 25 January 2018 00: 23
        +5
        Quote: Volodin
        But to bring the conscripts to the field gathering in 35-degree frost - there really are questions

        And what does the frost have to do with it? Our tents burned in the spring, and in the fall, and in the winter and in the summer. There is no central heating there, because the stoves are heated at night in any case. Here the question is this. What did the daily who was supposed to stand his shift do? Why didn't you sound the alarm? Yes, and colleagues are also good ... As they say, the detachment did not notice the loss of a fighter .....
      5. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 25 January 2018 11: 52
        +1
        But to bring conscripts to field gathering in a 35-degree frost - there really are questions here - Volodin

        And what is an anomaly of -35 degrees in Siberia? I recall my service in Transbaikalia, we had flights at -35 degrees Celsius. And conscripts were brought to them. What is the problem?
        Another question is that it is necessary for people to learn, especially not Siberians, to work, to carry out exercises, to fight, if necessary, even at -35 degrees.
        In such frosts, the tent should have a duty officer monitoring the temperature and the general situation. In the end, sleeping bags should be such in the Army, to get out of them was not a problem.
        Found a problem minus 35 degrees of frost ?! In our school, children go to such a frost.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 24 January 2018 17: 22
      +4
      Never tried to quickly get out of the sleeping bag? And when the panic? It would not help unfortunately .. Sorry ..
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Condolences to the family ... Why should a soldier be brought out into the field in such a cold ?! If you look deeper at the problem, then for a year you can’t teach a kid anything ... He couldn’t get out of the sleeping bag, poor ... (((
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 24 January 2018 17: 27
        +6
        Why didn’t I try?! I’m a fisherman! I go regularly both to summer and winter. The sleeping bag, by the way, is unfastened inside and out. It’s very convenient. There is no problem getting out of it in a panic.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 January 2018 17: 47
          +1
          Well, God forbid you good luck ... But I somehow looked at Manych in the winter I do not go out ..
          Quote: Magic Archer
          Why didn’t I try?! I’m a fisherman! I go regularly both to summer and winter. The sleeping bag, by the way, is unfastened inside and out. It’s very convenient. There is no problem getting out of it in a panic.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 January 2018 17: 23
      14
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Why in general in such a frost to bring soldiers into the field ?!

      At one time, restrictions were already imposed on meteo for exits in the field. And then it turned out that the army was absolutely not ready for a war in winter: the personnel were not able to move in the snow, they were not able to fight in winter, the uniform was only theoretically adapted to winter conditions.
      KIRPONOS (commander, commander of the 70th Infantry Division). Comrades, a number of division commanders spoke here, who said: "Here, our artillery shoots great, shoots a lot, tanks provide the way forward for the infantry, but the infantry is going badly." It seems to me that this will not be entirely true. I want to dwell on this issue. That our infantry has shortcomings that will need to be worked on a lot, this is absolutely correct, and we are guilty of these shortcomings in the first place. The disadvantage is that in peacetime we were preparing to fight only in the summer, because in the winter, with a 15-degree frost, we did not bring our fighter into the field.
      STALIN. This is a shame.
      KIRPONOS. In the 15-degree frost, we were not allowed to bring fighters to classes in the field, then the fighters were also not displayed in inclement weather. It seems to me that we must resolutely refuse this.
      © from the transcript of "Meetings at the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (b) of the commanding staff on the collection of experience in hostilities against Finland (April 14-17, 1940)."
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 24 January 2018 18: 28
        +5
        I support, otherwise it turns out - the Finnish company and budenovki with overcoats in the winter. they "saved" people in exercises and did not receive knowledge about the requirements for the winter war, for which they "paid" in Finnish. But having "paid" to the Finnish, they saved the soldiers in the Second World War and already the Nazis got into it completely.
        There may be a shortage of tents, possibly improper duty or insufficient equipment with fire extinguishers, and maybe soldiers - gouging. After all, the part got out and the comrade - left. negative
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 24 January 2018 18: 59
          +4
          Have you been in the army? If so, which fire extinguishers in the fields are you talking about? Do you know how the tent is heated? Tormented during the day, the daylight throws logs into the potbelly stove, and in order to make it warmer in the dark, he cuts the log into chips. And there, chop off your fingers - for health and forehead into a potbelly stove to poke before a burn. As I recall these exits, in the winter, in the summer ...
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 24 January 2018 19: 11
            +2
            I remind you once again - they didn’t go to the fields during frosts to the Finnish company, what did they get? Watch the video now from Ukria on both sides it is especially good to compare. Yes, there are no tents and conscripts, but there is war and frost, and people need to eat every day. fool
            And personally, I see - in LDNR where there are no conscripts who have served men, everything is done well, and they are working properly and neither tents nor sleeping bags are on fire and do not forget anyone in the sleeping bags. And on the other hand, there was state supply - my eyes did not see this horror, gangs of poured poured out and now they both burn and drink and self-shoot.
            I mean that - the order and observance of the charter is necessary, because violations of the charter lead to that because of which it is written to the Blood. negative
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 24 January 2018 19: 39
              +2
              With blood, my dear, the Charter of the combat and the Charter of the garrison and guard service are written. For civilians) All other charters were written with sweat and foot worn. No need to compare experienced men and boys of twenty who can only be served. Where did you see severe ensign in dembeli embroidered x / b? Do not know the kitchen, do not think. But I saw everything and tents burned down, and how sappers at their own demining were blown up, and how a tower with a shooting leader was demolished from a tank. Tell how the tank, which is the second in the coupling in the park, is blocking the box? Or how to a soldier when disassembling a wheel from a ZIL 131 with this very wheel blows his head? And about the PC crossbow?
              1. dauria
                dauria 24 January 2018 20: 50
                +5
                . No need to compare experienced men and boys of twenty who can only be served


                I agree. Everything was. And the liquid “I” was etched, and they fell under the screw, lifting the collar and turning away from the snow, and one bounced on itself with a rebound. And what, is everything smooth on a civilian? Do not fall from a height, do not creep under pressure, do not burn? This is life, infection, you can’t get anywhere. Whom it touched will be smarter.
                1. Maksus
                  Maksus 24 January 2018 21: 21
                  +2
                  Even as it happens in civilian life, it’s hard for a person far from the army to explain its essence. He simply is not able to understand how much can happen in one moment to a person who does not live in the army, how the veteran differs from a recruit.
          2. tomket
            tomket 25 January 2018 00: 27
            +1
            Quote: Maksus
            And there, chop off your fingers - for health and forehead into a potbelly stove to poke before a burn. As I recall these exits, in the winter, in the summer ...

            In order to avoid such a crap, we set ourselves NATO stoves, on kerosene.
    4. Herculesic
      Herculesic 24 January 2018 17: 55
      +4
      Magic Archer, that is, in the winter during the war with the adversary, you need to grind it so that the soldiers do not freeze, stipulate the conditions in which weather we will not attack them? belay am
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 24 January 2018 17: 58
        +2
        When did you last try to fight in 35 degrees of frost? Or at least slept in a tent at this temperature? If you have both experiences, then you can debate
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 24 January 2018 21: 13
          +6
          Quote: Volodin
          If you have both experiences, then you can debate

          And that, and another, and the third (to repair in the cold) is available. True minus 32 and only 13 days at RTU. Will go? And what will the discussion be about? About the rules of furnace furnaces? Or organization of internal service in a field camp? Or maybe maintaining the health of military personnel at low temperatures? The army is not a boarding house of noble maidens. But to comply with the rules already spelled out to the last letter, it is necessary for everyone from the marshal to the last soldier. On occasion, I can assume with a tremendous degree of probability - the stoker is to blame (or splashed a gasoline truck after he overslept the stove, or stuffed a full firebox of logs so that he could sleep again.) Other situations are unlikely (such as a short circuit from a battery for lighting).
      2. Magic archer
        Magic archer 24 January 2018 18: 13
        +3
        And where do such clowns come from?! Before you write nonsense, you need to turn your head on! Put it yourself in -35 and I will look at such a mountain warrior! Even small arms fail in such a frost, and there’s nothing to say about equipment.
        1. dmikras
          dmikras 24 January 2018 18: 26
          +4
          In the Altai Territory, -35 is easier to carry than in the Moscow Region -20, neither equipment nor weapons refused (it was checked on oneself if anything happened at -45)
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 24 January 2018 21: 25
            +3
            Quote: dmikras
            In the Altai Territory -35 is easier to tolerate than in the Moscow Region -20

            tooting, not temperature is important, but the ratio of temperature to humidity and pressure. So at higher humidity, the negative temperature is felt MUCH stronger. For example, I had a case a friend from the Far East came to me in St. Petersburg, before his arrival he constantly laughed that they say "I'm here at -30, I go without a hat, and you freeze at -10, WEAKNESS!" as soon as he arrived and tried the temperature at -5 ...- 10 he immediately put on a scarf and a hat and a pair of sweaters, and without woolen socks he did not leave the house. This is due to moisture vapor in the air that freezes precisely on the surface of the skin, that is, in more humid air, heat is quickly removed from the body.
            There is also a good example with submariners, especially those that work in bathyscaphes, where at high pressure the temperature difference is felt MUCH STRONGER, for example, with a difference of only one or two degrees, you could either evaporate or freeze (there are articles about this effect in the internet). In this example, again, it is all about moisture on the skin, because there are more atoms (pressure is higher), only this time an increase in the sensitivity of the skin itself is added (the structure of the receptors changes).
            1. Falcond
              Falcond 24 January 2018 21: 47
              +2
              Almost right! There is such a term - effective temperature - this is the effect of exposure to human meteorological elements (humidity, temperature, wind) expressed through one indicator of the so-called effective temperature.

              Therefore, we can say - that the Petersburger is cold, the Siberian - death ... well, if you completely exaggerate!
              I live in St. Petersburg myself ... I know
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 24 January 2018 18: 35
          +4
          Quote: Magic Archer
          And where do such clowns come from?! Before you write nonsense, you need to turn your head on! Put it yourself in -35 and I will look at such a mountain warrior! Even small arms fail in such a frost, and there’s nothing to say about equipment.

          That is, there were no military operations in either the Northern Fleet or the Second World War north of Lake Ladoga? belay
        3. would
          would 25 January 2018 23: 59
          0
          In such a frost, even small arms fail


          It’s immediately obvious that you didn’t try to shoot from AK in such a frost. I’ll tell you a “secret”, a properly serviced AK shoots at both -35 and -50. Absolutely standard, this is the standard ambient temperature for this type of weapon. The same can be said of most (at least) domestic equipment.
    5. faridg7
      faridg7 24 January 2018 18: 08
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Why even in such a cold soldier in the field output?

      We will fight only in the summer, and take a timeout for the winter? Strong. As for the punishment of the company, it won’t be long in coming, but besides him, there should be a sentry (slept bastard), and a company officer on duty, and a person on duty (for the “correct” organization of service in the dress)
      Quote: Volodin
      She burns like a match

      I saw how the tarpaulin tent burns, was in the orderly, when our tent caught fire. While he was running after a fire extinguisher, it burned down about a square meter. Not at all like a match. By the way, the department, while I was running after the fire extinguisher (the shield was just outside the tent), I just managed to jump and tear my eyes - everything ended quickly, then they went to sleep longer
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 24 January 2018 18: 17
        +2
        It’s not a refusal for the winter, but the fact that with minimal preparation (which is practically nonexistent) it’s already possible to bring conscripts into the field. Moreover, the current generation is the Internet! They only tear off mother’s boobs! They are useless like a goat’s milk! warriors do that ?! They’re in the cold and in the heat, everywhere ... and
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 24 January 2018 18: 30
          +3
          Units are displayed in the field, and in those, even if they are training, soldiers with different term of service are assembled, which means that in any unit there should be people with experience in the winter field. I’m silent about the commanders; it should already be a habit
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 January 2018 18: 41
          +3
          Quote: Volodin
          But to bring the conscripts to the field gathering in 35-degree frost - there really are questions

          Only as soon as possible on the organization of such exits. And so the troops should be able to fight in any climatic conditions. But the guard service is not canceled due to frost, only the time change mode is reduced. This is the same in the field - everything is according to the charter, and the foreman I’m also obliged to issue a hot seagull with seals. My opinion is that if there was no gross violation of discipline and the equipment of the tent was correct and everything was in order, then there was an accident ... from which you can never be safe. And of course you are a pity for the kid.
    6. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 24 January 2018 18: 39
      +9
      Quote: Magic Archer
      If you look deeper at the problem, then for a year to teach a kid nothing ...

      Well, why not teach anything? ... In a more or less organized herd, march on the parade ground on the oath and build up to go to the dining room .... For a year - it’s enough ... Well, he also takes some glue on the back of the head with glue to stick out so that his chest doesn’t fall out with a wheel in front of the girls at the station - it's easy for the year ...
      My heart was always breaking when the conscripts went home after two years - I personally tried to persuade everyone to "cricket" or stay with ensign. Only you will bring up more or less efficient thugs - and it’s time for them to go home ... Sometimes I persuaded them. I was especially glad when the boys wrote statements after an urgent in Ryazan. Four after school he managed to pull back to himself.
      When they manage to break the stereotype in their heads that losers are going to urgent, who were not able to squander or pay off when, as in the days of my father and mine, they will consider you defective if you didn’t serve - then maybe two will serve again, or even three years. Then the conscripts will learn how to get out of sleeping bags, then the grenades will cease to be entangled in the sleeves of the camouflage when throwing and there will not be much more nonsense.
      The foregoing does not apply to the kid - it’s a pity the kid, he died due to other people's stupidity. If more of his sergeants “on the match” drove off-lift - maybe there would have been nothing. No, I’ve talked with those who are serving today, who are commanding today from platoon to regiment — an irregular, damn it .... And when the boys die because of the stupidity of their commanders who haven’t finished them, is this a statuary ???
    7. Glory1974
      Glory1974 24 January 2018 19: 58
      +5
      I could not even get out of the sleeping bag, poor thing ... (((

      Our tent in Chechnya caught fire at night. It burns fast. Everyone was able to get out, except for two cook girls. The problem was in the sleeping bags. The fighters are authorized, wadded, with buttons. And the cooks of the civilian model have synthetic winterizer, with plastic zippers. In a fire, plastic zippers began to melt and they could not unfasten the sleeping bags.
      There are no trifles in equipment.
    8. would
      would 26 January 2018 00: 06
      0
      If you look deeper at the problem, then for a year the kid does not teach anything


      But only veterans of the Chechen war sometimes remember how they taught in 2 days much better than in the previous 8 months of service ...
  2. private person
    private person 24 January 2018 17: 13
    +4
    The tent burns to instantly get out of the sleeping bag and there was practically no chance to run out; anyone who knows how the tent burns knows. Condolences to the family.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 24 January 2018 18: 31
      +2
      Well, such tents are in rectal - you need to change them into fireproof ones. What does it mean more expensive - who thinks so in a sleeping bag in a tent and set fire to it - that he would feel for himself (if he remains alive). In ancient times (according to rumors) there was a good custom - after the construction was completed, the main one stood under the bridge and a large detachment or a very loaded cart went across the bridge !! good
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 January 2018 17: 14
    +2
    And then they say here that serving a year behind the eyes ... the conscript died, condolences to the family and friends.
    It turned out that during the fire the soldier was inside the tent in a sleeping bag. After a fire, a soldier tried to get out of the sleeping bag, but could not.

    The question is, how did the tent light up then?
    1. Bomb
      Bomb 24 January 2018 17: 21
      +1
      how how - covered the heat gun and turned .... or just KZ
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 January 2018 17: 24
        +2
        Quote: Bomb
        how how - covered the heat gun and turned .... or just KZ

        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        My guess is not far from the truth. Smoked here is the whole answer.

        And what discipline or training are we talking about? If this is so, then we are reaping the fruits of our mediocre attitude to the education of youth.
        Although what can I say ... you can’t return the kid.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 24 January 2018 18: 24
        +2
        Quote: Bomb
        how how - covered the heat gun and turned .... or just KZ

        1) Take the stove.
        2) You try to rekindle it with diesel fuel.
        3) you are cremated.
        . In the village of Kueda, the watchman of the local stoker, having frozen, decided to melt the stove. For this, he decided to use diesel fuel. The man loaded firewood into the furnace and splashed fuel there. Then he brought up the match. At this time, there was a powerful surge of flame. A canister with diesel fuel flashed, which the man very unreasonably left next to the open firebox.

        Panicked, the watchman kicked the canister, trying to bring down the fire. However, it only made it worse. The liquid spreading across the floor flashed, the fire spread to the watchman's trousers. The frightened watchman jumped out and put out his burning clothes with his hands, covered the blazing diesel fuel with sand. However, the fire has already spread to the roof of the building.

        By the time the rescuers arrived, the fire area was already 20 sq.m. We managed to cope with the fire in 12 minutes. The unfortunate guard himself was hospitalized with burns of arms and legs of various degrees of severity to a local hospital.

        - It is strongly not recommended to melt the stove with flammable liquids. In this situation, the man behaved doubly imprudently, leaving a canister with diesel fuel near the furnace, - explained to the Ministry of Emergencies in the Perm Territory.
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 24 January 2018 18: 46
        +7
        Quote: Bomb
        how how - covered the heat gun and turned .... or just KZ

        We have from the "bourgeois" not a single tent burned down. And now all sorts of gadgets - I don’t want to serve .... No ...
    2. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 24 January 2018 17: 22
      +2
      My guess is not far from the truth. Smoked here is the whole answer. I could not get out because I was drunk. In order not to get out of the sleeping bag it is necessary to try. Where were the commander fathers who were supposed to follow discipline?
      1. private person
        private person 24 January 2018 17: 39
        +2
        In a hurry sleepy to get out of the sleeping bag and run out of the tent around the fire and screams? Yes, you're a magician. With each fighter in a bunk for an officer?
      2. barsuk
        barsuk 24 January 2018 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        Where were the commander fathers who were supposed to follow discipline?

        They must have been drunk too.
        1. Moore
          Moore 24 January 2018 18: 04
          +3
          Judge by yourself?
      3. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 24 January 2018 19: 33
        +1
        Vasya about the sleeping bag, you are not right at all - if the COCOON is not sized to the right size (most likely you climbed into it in felt boots (in the entire insulation), you can’t unfasten it for ten times.
      4. tomket
        tomket 25 January 2018 00: 37
        +1
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        Smoked that's the whole answer

        And where did he smoke? In general, tents usually burn when there is no spark arrestor on the pipe. The stove gives a sheaf of sparks that fall on top of it, or they can fly from an adjacent tent. That’s the whole story.
    3. Moore
      Moore 24 January 2018 18: 03
      +7
      Quote: NEXUS
      The question is, how did the tent light up then?

      Very simple.
      The first option: from the stove through the pipe with the wrong spark arrester, the spark falls on the tent - he himself was so young. You fall asleep with a canopy, and you wake up about the starry sky above you and the cry of "Fire!"
      Second: from a red-hot pipe without asbestos insulation, the same canopy caught fire.
      In any case, the stoker on duty either slept, or he was not at all.
      Quote: Volodin
      But to bring the conscripts to the field gathering in 35-degree frost - there really are questions

      This is not just a gathering, but a field exit on the scale of the missile forces. They gave the command - let's go.
      Condolences to parents and courage to commanders, who will now be made extreme.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 January 2018 18: 16
        +6
        Quote: Moore
        In any case, the stoker on duty either slept, or he was not at all.

        I can imagine what “grandfathers” and “veterans” would do to me if I fell asleep “behind the wheel”, that is, by the stove .... even goose bumps ran on my back belay
        1. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 24 January 2018 18: 22
          +3
          Calm down, you have already flown yours. Relax calmly on the couch, and you can even have a drink. I allow.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 24 January 2018 18: 39
            +5
            Quote: Vasya Vassin
            Calm down, you have already flown yours. Relax calmly on the couch, and you can even have a drink. I allow.

            Glad to try, Your Highness laughing
            And now, that is characteristic, when you are "driven", you remember everything, and when you, something is not really bully
            Like it or not, but a year of service is not enough ....
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 24 January 2018 18: 53
          11
          Greetings soldier !
          Quote: Stroporez
          I can imagine what would be done to me "grandfathers" and "veterans", if I fell asleep "behind the wheel", that is, by the stove ...., even goose bumps ran
          If I had in part - would not have time. A platoon in one rank in the knee-elbow would put you and the "grandfathers". It’s clear to you why, and “grandfathers” because they didn’t teach you when to sleep and when not to. Then I would also put a platoon and company. Well, then he would begin to prepare himself - for sure, tourists will come from the district headquarters on such an occasion ... crying
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 24 January 2018 19: 00
            +5
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            If I had in part - would not have time. A platoon in one rank in the knee-elbow would put you and the "grandfathers".

            It’s clear that everyone would get the “gingerbread” ...
            I can’t understand how it’s so possible to burn alive in a tent. request
            My condolences to relatives and friends, only this Boy can’t be returned ....
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 24 January 2018 19: 26
              +8
              Quote: Stroporez
              I can’t understand how it’s so possible to burn alive in a tent.

              Duc he did not burn, he received burns while he got out of the sleeping bag. And a sleeping bag, probably for the sake of weight, on a synthetic winterizer. And the tents may well be "Serdyukovskie", synthetic. Here you have burns incompatible with life.
              As I said above, few of his sergeants “on the match” drove the end-up. I have once a week, every 10 days, sergeants burned a box of matches - trained in case of anxiety. I knew that very well, I saw it more than once - I never said a word against it. "Continue classes" and all. Mockery? And the kid would be saved by that “mockery”.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 24 January 2018 19: 31
                +4
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                And a sleeping bag, probably for the sake of weight, on a synthetic winterizer. And the tents may well be "Serdyukovskie", synthetic. Here you have burns incompatible with life.

                Nowadays, sleeping bags were on batting .., you’ll set fire to the hrenushki .....
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                "Continue classes" and all. Mockery? And the kid would be saved by that “mockery”.
                That's right: it’s hard to learn, easy in battle. ”How many times did I recollect sergeants with a kind word there, and then in civilian life. good drinks
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 24 January 2018 19: 38
                  +7
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  And a sleeping bag, probably for the sake of weight, on a synthetic winterizer. And the tents may well be "Serdyukovskie", synthetic. Here you have burns incompatible with life.

                  Nowadays, sleeping bags were on batting .., you’ll set fire to the hrenushki .....
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  "Continue classes" and all. Mockery? And the kid would be saved by that “mockery”.
                  That's right: it’s hard to learn, easy in battle. ”How many times did I recollect sergeants with a kind word there, and then in civilian life. good drinks

                  That’s it ... drinks Nobody except us!
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 24 January 2018 19: 44
                    +4
                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    That's imanno ... Nobody but us!

                    That's right, Comrade Commander! soldier drinks
          2. bk316
            bk316 24 January 2018 19: 39
            +3
            If I had in part

            And I HAD IT. This is all raked .....
            The fact is that it was aggravating. Nearby stood a gun tent, also caught fire.
            In general, several butts were charred.
            Can you imagine a weapon lost in the SA?
            Everyone got right up to the regiment, like he set up tents right at the Christmas trees, and they just caught fire.
            How no one sat down, still do not understand ...
            BUT WE REDUCED IN LESS THAN IN MINUTE ALREADY IN BOOTS AND CLOTHES
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 24 January 2018 18: 36
        +3
        And who should be extreme if not commanders? An uncle in the ministry didn’t buy tents from asbestos, or the person who personally didn’t put a webcam in each tent to monitor the stoker. They didn’t explain, or they beat him badly on the head explaining HOW it is necessary to drown so that this would not happen. Actually, the commanders would also "think" and "tear their throats".
        1. Moore
          Moore 25 January 2018 03: 51
          +2
          Quote: Mih1974
          An uncle in the ministry didn’t buy tents from asbestos, or the person who personally didn’t put a webcam in each tent to monitor the stoker.

          Well what are you, of course not. Those who:
          - did not purchase normal tents instead of the available products from the time of Suvorov;
          - in the 21st century, it did not provide low-voltage ES sources (in the shelves, drinkers buy for their own, if that);
          -Instead of all of the above, built, (unprintable word), in the Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces hockey field (again unprintable word) -
          they are certainly not to blame.
          Nobody takes the blame from the commanders, it's just that this is all a given for them, provided by a spit from the very top.
  4. faiver
    faiver 24 January 2018 17: 32
    +1
    I did not understand, but what are army tents made of now?
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 24 January 2018 17: 36
      +3
      Who told you that she was new? Plain tarpaulin, two sticks with extensions and two dozen pegs. They laid the floor with something and put the beds in two tiers for 50-60 people. In the middle of the potbelly stove, all the paragraph. It is not a matter of materials but of discipline. The company was put on trial to parse this mess.
      1. faiver
        faiver 24 January 2018 17: 42
        +4
        Well, the canvas tent does not burn like a torch ...
        1. private person
          private person 24 January 2018 17: 55
          +5
          It burns like a torch.
          1. faiver
            faiver 24 January 2018 18: 11
            +4
            I’ve been engaged in fire-retardant treatment for five years, an army canvas tent burns very badly, if kanesh is not some thread, a “fashionable” Chinese tent ...
            1. private person
              private person 24 January 2018 18: 19
              +2
              Fire retardant properties do not last forever rain, snow, fog do not affect positively.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 24 January 2018 18: 59
                +8
                Quote: faiver
                Well, the canvas tent does not burn like a torch ...

                Quote: faiver
                I’ve been engaged in fire-retardant treatment for five years, an army canvas tent burns very badly, if kanesh is not some thread, a “fashionable” Chinese tent ...

                Quote: private person
                Fire retardant properties do not last forever rain, snow, fog do not affect positively.

                It does not burn like a torch! Smolders well - no doubt. And in order to light it like a candle, it will not work without special talent. Tourist, kapron - they really glow so that you will not have time to blink. And tarpaulin even without special impregnation does not blaze. Smelly smolders, small tongues flashing here and there - but they don’t burn. I have conscripts in the summer in the field, old tents were cut into flaps and burned in tents - they drove mosquitoes.
            2. Maksus
              Maksus 24 January 2018 19: 04
              +3
              Yes, do anything, but a tent like TSI or God forbid a USB burns out in a couple of minutes, there is still a little white and winter insulation.
              1. bk316
                bk316 24 January 2018 19: 33
                +2
                FIVE minutes - it’s not been checked during this time that you can get out of the tent from the barracks
                1. Maksus
                  Maksus 24 January 2018 19: 45
                  +1
                  At my exit, gentlemen, the officers burned down their USB for a couple of minutes before the wooden sides, just in winter. So it burns normally, but to get out of the sleeping bag and if there is junk everywhere and two-story beds, and at least the soldiers’s bunk, I really won’t wish the enemy

                  BK316, is your fracture on the profile picture?
        2. Moore
          Moore 24 January 2018 18: 13
          +3
          Quote: faiver
          Well, the canvas tent does not burn like a torch ...

          It burns like. If it’s a camp tent (and not UZ-68, for example) and the stove is installed with violations (few people read the Manual on the rear) - when a tent of h.
    2. Dedall
      Dedall 24 January 2018 19: 11
      +5
      But they are not made, they use old, still Soviet-era reserves. In any case, I have not seen a single release later than the 90th year. And even earlier there was a clothing service, from which one boss was left. The staff of this service in the regiment included shoemakers, tailors and other people who were engaged in tents as well. I remember how soldiers from the regimental company of material support (RMO) after each stay of the tent in the rain sprayed it with a soap-rosin mixture. They had special dryers and when, after the field exit, I handed over the tent to the warehouse, it was first dried, and then the holes that came from the coals flying out of the stove were also sewn up. And then this mess began, which they called Perestroika ...
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 24 January 2018 19: 48
        0
        There are new, M-30 are called, on a metal frame, convenient, much more convenient to install than the UST.
      2. Moore
        Moore 25 January 2018 04: 07
        +3
        Quote: Dedall
        But they are not made, they use old, still Soviet-era reserves.

        In this and the neighboring division in the security units there is this:

        not intended for winter in principle. How to install a furnace in it, few know.
        Quote: bk316
        What heat gun, what short circuit? Where does field electricity come from?

        Both that, and another is bought by officers, warrant officers, contract soldiers for the money. In the field they charge the battery, warm up the equipment from them, the lighting again. 220V in a tent? Yes, this is a violation.
        It’s easier for pure rocket launchers - they throw a 24V snot from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and it’s more difficult for security guards.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 25 January 2018 13: 11
          0
          Our camp tents were set up next to the checkpoint and posts, so that the duty officer would not circle the magazines. And the stove is there, yes, fun, through the underground passage ...
          220В were in the field from the holes, but only at the officers and in the first-aid post.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 24 January 2018 17: 51
    +2
    I just express my condolences to the family and friends, as well as to the colleagues of the deceased! soldier Let him rest in peace! hi
  6. bk316
    bk316 24 January 2018 17: 57
    +6
    210Qu and so on ... Didn’t you serve? Or served at the equator?
    The tent burns instantly

    Yeah, of course ... ONLY NOT ARMENIAN BARZENTA, it flares up for about 5 minutes and you can put it out 10 times. Tourists damn ..
    hardly helps to instantly get out of the sleeping bag

    Exactly 3 seconds to get out of the sleeping bag, trains at the expense of 1-2-3
    covered with a heat gun and turned .... or just short

    What heat gun, what short circuit? Where does field electricity come from?
    A stove is installed in the tent (in common people a potbelly stove) and ATTENTION a duty officer is assigned to monitor the stove. Where the on-duty answer was known - slept. So, not a single tent burned out at the exits, but no one even got average burns. Only lyuley from fathers of commanders
    1. faiver
      faiver 24 January 2018 18: 12
      +1
      here I am also about ...
    2. dmikras
      dmikras 24 January 2018 18: 36
      +1
      I agree with you in almost everything, only we had a sleeping bag, there was no overcoat from the top, winter masses from below, sometimes from the top of the bunk to the level, and certainly the stoker
      1. bk316
        bk316 24 January 2018 19: 28
        +3
        we didn’t have a sleeping bag with a winter coat from the top to massage it from below sometimes from the top of the bunk to the level and necessarily a stoker

        And I didn’t have it, my son was already training with a sleeping bag.
    3. tomket
      tomket 25 January 2018 00: 46
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      What heat gun, what short circuit? Where does field electricity come from?

      In fact, without a hole now hardly anyone goes to the fields. We had two three.
    4. would
      would 26 January 2018 00: 13
      0
      Exactly 3 seconds to get out of the sleeping bag, trains at the expense of 1-2-3


      It’s immediately obvious that you don’t even have an idea about the issue and you never used a sleeping bag in winter

      1. In the winter sleeping bag often sleep right in outerwear. Schaub was warmer. With its volumes, it is simply impossible to get out of a sleeping bag which in size in 3 seconds.
      2. While you are trying to get out of the sleeping bag in a panic with each breath, you inhale the combustion products. For 10 seconds, the guy could breathe so much, not only that he could not get out of the sleeping bag, but generally go. He could even be unconscious.
      3. Could corny bite the castle. And so it was simply impossible to get out of the sleeping bag. At the very zipper only on the jacket, but so a friend tried to unzip it for 15 minutes.

      And there are many more factors that could affect this.

      What heat gun, what short circuit? Where does field electricity come from?


      From there, where did everyone get their phones? For the money, for the comfort of your stay.
  7. bald
    bald 24 January 2018 18: 03
    0
    Sorry for the guy, I sympathize with family and friends. The question is tormented - how the sleeping bag was fastened, it seems we don’t know. Why I ask - I visited a similar situation.
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      1. bald
        bald 24 January 2018 19: 11
        +3
        It may be so, but it could have blunted the castle (bit a piece of material), drank smoke (fumes). Why not save - the bayonet with a knife slashed the tent, took in air and forward - this is not a burning log hut. When you burn in a tent - a panic worthless thing. I burned, the three of us were in the tent. The bumblebee rolled over in the tent and the cup - the gas sprayer flew off, a stream of burning gasoline along the entire tent over things and me. He was dressed, it was very warm, and that saved, behind the tent - 37. The left side and arm are on fire. He took in air and was waiting for the guys to jump out (if the three of them crowded to the entrance, if only they would interfere with each other). I look one crawled on all fours along the tent, followed by another. And that's why I wonder how the sleeping bag closed. of course the castle. And we had junk and sleeping bags, and the entrance was closed with wooden pegs on nylon loops. At the entrance of the loop in three rows after 5 cm. Jumped, between the loops fit only two fingers from each hand. It is useless to undo - they messed up and no time, the cap began to burn. He revealed as much as possible the floor of the tent. Exhale - inhale and how pulled the spinners - about twelve, as it never happened (kapron threads tore). I jump out and they are already on the street, buried in the snow and they helped - they put out me. I don’t understand how, under the tent, in the frozen snow, with bare hands, for ten seconds - they dug two holes. The tent did not light up, but what was inside - I had to throw it away - almost everything burned out. But the tent did not catch fire due to the condensation that had formed and froze. They were sober. Conclusion - (about us) - no law has been written for fools - safety precautions.
  8. Vitas
    Vitas 24 January 2018 18: 20
    +2
    I managed to get burns incompatible with life, for a long time they helped him. Maybe he got into a carbon monoxide, so he didn’t get out.
  9. andr327
    andr327 24 January 2018 18: 21
    +5
    A sad case. Condolences to loved ones. But the problem is much deeper. Of course, conclusions will now be drawn, especially by the prosecutor's office: the commander did not teach, did not control. I am very sorry for the commanders in this situation. If they were to cancel their exit (due to frosts, lack of equipment, lack of readiness for military personnel, etc.) they would receive severe reprimands, demotion for not fulfilling the plan drawn up in the warm offices of the Moscow district. And the prosecutor's office in this case would not be on the side of the father of the commander. And the upper headquarters are usually not interested in why the calendar event was not carried out. Their resume - the commander could not cope! Not so long ago we were in such a tent at the exit of the rocket division (the best tent): the tent entered the unit in the late 80s, all in holes, there was no talk of impregnation. The logistics of supplying parts is simply a nightmare, the seven nannies have a child without an eye, but again the commander is to blame, from whom everyone demands and constantly checks (not allowing him to simply conduct normal training, to put equipment and company equipment in order). instead of planned work, grassroots commanders work on a commission. The regime of service for officers of the lower (regimental, and even division) level cannot be called anything but wear work. Here at VO, someone was glad how many Strategic Missile Forces were at field exits, how many sudden and planned inspections were successfully passed — here's one of the results. God forbid that it was only the only case, alas, an acne runs up. It may be necessary to have less victorious reports, and more systematic work to increase the combat readiness of our main shield. He got sick, but the truth is impossible to say.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 24 January 2018 18: 27
      +3
      So it is everywhere in the country so do not jab where. It’s good that this tent, though full of holes, remained from the USSR. We will never wait for anything from the new redheads from the new super-duper materials. So the country floundering on old stocks.
  10. taiga2018
    taiga2018 24 January 2018 18: 31
    +2
    Quote: faridg7
    We will fight only in the summer, and take a timeout for the winter?

    Some commentators say something like this ...
  11. Dedall
    Dedall 24 January 2018 19: 00
    +4
    I can say that our USB, however, as well as the TSI, created during the time of King Gorokh, they do not even provide for the normal connection of electric lighting. As a result, "noodles" of wires are hung around the tent between the poles, the switches are pinned to these poles and the cartridges with bulbs are screwed to them. And from this, everything in my tent was not a fire from the stove, but a 100-watt light bulb that touched this pillar. It is good that no one slept and saw the smoke that had arisen. They looked up, and there the bleach was already engaged from the pillar.
    As for the winter conditions, I remember how I got a brand new USB with the same stocks and bleaches and a full set of stakes for the same winter field outing. To all this good, I also received 2 stoves. Set up both a tent and stoves. So, it was -19 on the street, but with red-hot stoves in the corners of the tent, water froze in the tanks. And while all the rate of consumption of firewood in our valiant army for a day is only 0,3 cubic meters per stove. And the people get out as they can. The most common option, when I took a kit for intravenous infusions, connected a tube with a dispenser to a metal tube (removed from the blown equipment). The tube was stuffed into the stove and a piece of tin was placed underneath. The chimney stoves themselves were attached to each tent window. That's when the CSS was warm and at -20.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 24 January 2018 20: 16
      +1
      About electricity I agree with you. You also need to look so that some wise guy does not adapt the field cable for lighting or even worse does not try to turn on the "bumbler".
      But they lived in tents in the mountains, I remember at the beginning of the 2000, the winter was cold, -27 was at night. But it’s warm in the tent. Of course, we did not observe the consumption of firewood, we drowned the pipes already reddened.
  12. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 24 January 2018 19: 13
    0
    Very sad news. Accept condolences. This should not be.
    To study everything and take measures to ensure that IT WAS NOT MORE.
    To teach how not to lose your head and help a friend quickly, and not to panic and make and make wrong decisions and actions.
    The field exit required a special organization of tent heating and its control, which, apparently, the command of the unit could not cope with.

    In connection with the tragedy, think of what material to make tents and how.
    Command-LEARN BETTER, but also conscript soldiers.
  13. DPN
    DPN 24 January 2018 20: 41
    +1
    The soldier is of course a pity, but the reason is a simple violation of the T / B as always.
  14. Falcond
    Falcond 24 January 2018 21: 35
    +1
    The guy is sorry, you can’t return him ..
    All that happened is a natural sequence of actions, which led to a tragic outcome.
    I lived in such conditions for a year and a half (they drove to the training center while the barracks were capitalized) ... And the main question: where was the stoker who does not sleep on his shift? After all, the tent puffed up, though quickly, but not at the same time !! Himself dozed off .. and this is a turn in the wrong direction ...

    For the living, science is now!
    To my condolences ...
  15. egsp
    egsp 24 January 2018 22: 09
    +1
    In the summer, in the Orenburg steppe, with a strong wind, a tarpaulin tent burned down in my eyes for some 20-30 seconds. There was little fire, it almost instantly decayed like a Bickford cord. From the lower pieces cotton pads and a mattress began to smolder. There were no people inside, but there was a feeling that they would not have suffered or would not have time to suffer.
  16. skazochnik
    skazochnik 25 January 2018 02: 02
    0
    Firstly, condolences to loved ones. Secondly, it is time to produce these gifts from non-combustible materials, or at least process them with appropriate impregnations.