PACE demanded from Russia to stop supporting Donbass

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe once again discussed "Russian interference in the affairs of Ukraine." The PACE, by a majority vote of those present at the meeting (and far from all were present), adopted a resolution that again sets conditions for the Russian Federation.

The resolution contains requirements for the Russian Federation on the “cessation of financial and military support” of the Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics. At the same time, the resolution in no way explains on what grounds Russia cannot support the residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions materially, given that even in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the DPR and LPR were not recognized as “terrorist organizations”.

It turns out that PACE pushes itself into the corner, demanding an end to the humanitarian support of the population suffering from the Kiev aggression. In turn, this suggests that the PACE supports the actual genocide of the population of Donbass, carried out by the Kiev authorities.

The resolution also contains requirements for Russia regarding the refusal to recognize the documents of those Donbass territories that are not controlled by Kiev. Also in the resolution there are requirements for the Crimea. In particular, Russia was again demanded to restore the rights of the extremist organization “Majlis” Chubarov and Dzhemilev.

The PACE resolution was commented by State Duma Deputy Peter Tolstoy. From his statement:

The fact is that the PACE resolutions in a sufficiently large part (in any case, as far as the Russian Crimea is concerned) will never be executed. It is obvious.

Does this mean that Moscow’s demands on Russia in the Donbas will be considered?

Comments

[Spartanez300]

Too impudently and defiantly, this hamlet behaves, it is necessary to close the topic with the exit from PACE once and for all.

[siberalt]

PACE thinks that after that Russia will pay their dues?

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: siberalt

PACE thinks ...,

- What can this essentially anti-Russian counter think? For Russia, nothing good. And why clatter with her?

[Chertt]

We praise Russian diplomacy, but if you look realistically, the Russian Foreign Ministry does not have a single strong, strong-willed decision. Usually we “express concern” or threaten to “respond symmetrically” ... I am sure that we will swallow this impudent PACE statement

[Antianglosax]

Quote: Chertt

I am sure that we will swallow this impudent statement of PACE

There is no doubt about it. They wouldn’t be so boring if they didn’t know for sure that they were dealing with the omissioners and terpils who would endure any humiliation and beatings, if only their loot remained intact even with them. In addition, sitting in a pass in geyrops and working with your mouth, that is, curiously poking out for the taxpayers' money, is also an unbearable loss.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Chertt

We praise Russian diplomacy, but if you look realistically, the Russian Foreign Ministry does not have a single strong, strong-willed decision. Usually we “express concern” or threaten to “respond symmetrically” ... I am sure that we will swallow this impudent PACE statement

And how is it necessary? PACE Caliber? Well, they blundered there, they didn’t give them babos, Tolstoy sent them, Pushkov commented - what’s wrong?

[Chertt]

Quote: Nyrobsky

And how is it necessary? PACE Caliber?

It is necessary to withdraw or suspend activities from meaningless "spoken". In all cases, where possible, sue for libel. Introduce personal sanctions against all Russophobes, and again sue them. Not a single, hostile statement, leave unanswered

[Mestny]

As you know, diplomacy in any normal country generally avoids decisions that cause an irrevocable change in the situation. Such decisions limit the scope of possibilities.

[Chertt]

Quote: Mestny

Diplomacy in any normal country

Unfortunately, “normal countries” are in a normal world, this time is not the case.

Quote: Mestny

avoids decisions that cause an irrevocable change in the situation

And how, in this case, to relate to the US statements, after which the war begins. Can such a decision be called "irrevocable"?

[Alex777]

And how, in this case, to relate to US statements, after which wars begin.

These are US problems. We need to follow good examples.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Chertt

It is necessary to withdraw or suspend activities from meaningless "spoken".

Our delegation has already left PACE for about a year and a half and does not participate in its work, at the same time funding for this organization has been stopped.

[Mih1974]

Not so - the reaction itself . I always want to give the State Department’s reaction as an example when our journalists hinted at “Bush election irregularities.” - America responded very strictly.
In that way, we would need on most issues - something was blamed in the USA or the pass about "violation of democracy in Russia", and we DO NOT react at all, well, from the word at all. And whoever dares to blather about the “violations” for an interview with our ministers or even more so the president - in this way . And under the white levers and out of the hall and cut the accreditation, and the CMS itself should be warned "if there are such gas exits - we’ll bury access to ALL interviews of Russian representatives in general." Let the bastards write something on a piece of paper.
Believe me, it’s just THERE in the West they’ll just stop looking at them - because now is the age of information and when you’re fooling yourself, it’s FUFFLO, and when you get a picture (preferably lively and real), then you’re on a horse .

[vlad.svargin]

Nyrobsky
Well, they blundered there, they didn’t give them babos, Tolstoy sent them, Pushkov commented - what’s wrong?

That's right, you should not pay attention to this SERPENTARY. - a bunch of poisonous reptiles that practically does not solve anything.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Chertt

We praise Russian diplomacy, but if you look realistically, the Russian Foreign Ministry does not have a single strong, strong-willed decision.

And it seems to me that with our diplomacy everything is not so clear. To begin with, S.V. popularity rating in Russia Lavrov is commensurate with the rating of Shoigu and Putin. those. our Foreign Ministry is headed by far from amateur and mediocrity. And his team is appropriate. Zakharova and Safrankov are an example of this.
Further: pay attention to the fact that all the attacks of "our Western partners", or rather ... in, are clearly provocative in our address. Then they return the Crimea, then pay compensation for 1812, then for the downed Boeing and Katyn to repent. I don’t want to talk about the Olympic team at all. The goal (in my personal opinion) is to provoke us to sudden movements and impulsive actions, because the bogeyman of aggressive Russia and the bloodthirsty Putin, created by their media for the whole world, is gradually dissipating. In order to warm up anti-Russian hysteria, aggressive actions are expected from us. We are trying to avoid them, so as not to give a reason. In my opinion, somehow.
And, in truth, I really want to see our tough answer, such that, to bloody snot, for any creeps to us. So that the state was not offended ... And, I'm sure that I'm not the only one here. And, that’s why we are writing comments on VO here, rather than flickering in the news behind Lavrov’s back. Diplomatic wars require endurance and icy calm (at least external). For if diplomats shut up, the guns will speak.

[Chertt]

Without a doubt, the great merit of our Diplomacy is that we did not slide into hysteria and senseless aggression. But another threat arises. This apparent softness and passivity of Russia leads to impunity for any statements and actions of the "Western partners." For example (very conditional). If the Russian delegation would raise the maximum possible noise around the “Powell test tube” under the articles, Defamation, Forgery, Fraud .. In all possible instances, committees, subcommittees, with the involvement of all possible media, And by mandatory appeal to the courts of any level. There would be far less provocative, knowingly false statements.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Chertt

Such apparent softness and passivity of Russia, leads to impunity for any statements and actions of the "Western partners"

It is hard to disagree with you. But, you must admit, all these statements and actions go at the level of minor dirty tricks. Yes, they are offensive. Yes, they are annoying. Yes, I really want to give to the snout. But our answers are much more solid and painful. Examples:
-Crimea. From under the nose taken away.
-Syria. A banquet about the triumph of democracy is practically poher.
-China - a new strategic partner (buyer of S-400 and SU-35)
-Turkey is yesterday’s enemy, today it’s almost a brother with valves from Russian gas flows and African migrants in their hands.
And a lot of little things. But, unfortunately, things are not going smoothly in the economic field. Despite the common saying, we not only slowly harness, we also do not drive very fast. For 18 years one could spur horses. And those who do not pull - to shoot. And we all hope for an increase in oil prices and we drive small businesses into the coffin with “support”, but we are surprised at the outflow of capital from the country.

[Chertt]

Quote: Polite Elk

But, unfortunately, things are not going smoothly in the economic field. Despite the common saying, we not only slowly harness, we also do not drive very fast.

But this, as they say, is "a completely different story"

[Alex Justice]

If the Russian delegation would raise the maximum possible noise around the "test tubes Powell"
This one?

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Chertt

... Usually we "express concern" or threaten to "respond symmetrically" ... I am sure that we will swallow this impudent PACE statement

And swallow. After all, we are voiceless.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: AlexVas44

After all, we are voiceless.

Putin's silence is an eerie parable in tongues. And a nightmare for western figures.

[Pax tecum]

By the way, because of this "mythical" chimera - PACE (what, there are no more international sites, where can I talk?) Medvedev (m (h) hit!) The moratorium on the death penalty was extended. Thus, he destroyed the last hopes of self-cleaning society. Although on such issues were required to hold a referendum! And, under Medvedev, by the way, a moratorium on the referendum was introduced ...
Well, it's almost all polls liberal-pederasts-tolerasts. And the Kremlin sends money in foreign currency there, their "authoritative" (pah!) Opinion buys.

[Petrovich-800]

Hold your pocket wider...

[Beholder]

No, but this is a formal excuse to officially exclude Russia from PACE, count fines and more ...

[210ox]

This we demand an exit from PACE .. The Kremlin thinks differently ... Unfortunately, is it really so dear to them all these "values" and business trips?

Quote: Spartanez300

Too impudently and defiantly, this hamlet behaves, it is necessary to close the topic with the exit from PACE once and for all.

[Amurets]

Quote: 210ox

This we demand an exit from PACE .. The Kremlin thinks differently ... Unfortunately, is it really so dear to them all these "values" and business trips?

And how! This is business trip in foreign currency. And work when you sit down and don't answer for anything. Mouth closed-workplace cleaned. In general, a continuous sinecure.

[Berber]

PACE does not solve anything. But this is one of the sites that is covered by world media. Isolationism is not at hand for us. There will be no complete globalization, but ignoring this fact is not clever.

[Vend]

And Russia is not PACE now, so you can go to the toilet with this resolution. It is not suitable for more.

[Herculesic]

That's why we need to get out of PACE! Get out of her "slender ranks zadolizy usa", once and for all!

[Same lech]

That's why we need to get out of PACE! Get out of her "slender ranks zadolizy usa", once and for all!

It is too simple and will not give us much.
No, on the contrary, it is necessary to force PACE to change the rules of the game in our favor; this is a much difficult task and long-term.

[dog breeder]

Plus, stop a hundred! They will continue to try to humiliate Russia, not here, but somewhere else. There, the US State Department said that Russia is responsible for chemical attacks in Syria, regardless of who committed them. We need to break them in their territory, and not hide in the cracks, like cockroaches. If Russia leaves PACE, it will indirectly admit its guilt for what it is not guilty of.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, in general, what should Russia do in PACE? Listen to the ravings of "the best monkeys"?

[Same lech]

Well, in general, what should Russia do in PACE?

This is a platform for discussion of parliamentarians and we should be able to conduct our propaganda there and convince those who are hesitant of our rightness ... it’s difficult, but it must be done.
It’s impossible to abandon everything and leave ... our enemies are just waiting for Russia to leave everywhere and isolate itself ... do not give in to their provocations ... let's do everything with a cold mind and a warm heart.

[raw174]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

our enemies are just waiting for RUSSIA to leave everywhere and to isolate itself ..

But there is a rational grain in this ...

[Herculesic]

Alexey - The same Lech - So what? They listen to us strongly, or hear us? What else is the discussion, if there is a disagreement from the United States on a global plane, to ignore our opinion, and to do nasty things to us constantly and everywhere! Have you tried arguing with the deaf? Then why do we need this PACE? ?? Only exit from the ranks of this big top! !!

[Same lech]

What else is the discussion, if there is a disagreement from the United States on a global plane, to ignore our opinion, and to do nasty things to us constantly and everywhere!

Herculesych has always been dirty and will be dirty ...
but understand our enemies are not semi-literate godfathers but opponents who are smart and able to calculate our moves.
Very easily they will control our behavior if we do as they want, counting on a momentary reaction.
We need to cool down ... have patience ... we must look for solutions that are beneficial to us ... our country.
We need to work with American citizens on their site ... to convince them with the power of arguments ... logic ... in the end, and a demonstration of military capabilities.
A kind word with a revolver in hand is better than just a kind word ...

[Pax tecum]

So what's the problem? Let's organize a world parliamentary venue for ourselves.
The atmosphere will change a lot.
And believe me, they’ll go. Businesses quickly organize them there.

[Victor N]

Do not try to work for diplomats: they must work out their salaries. There is a demand from them. Many questions have already accumulated, not only in PACE, but also in Ukraine and other CIS countries ......

[svp67]

Does this mean that Moscow’s demands on Russia in the Donbas will be considered?

But what about. They will be considered, acknowledged, crumpled and thrown out ... Since this is not a requirement, but a "storm in an empty glass"

[vfqjh]

This PACE generally confuses the coast, then pay the money, then open the checkpoint, and what is it for us without a voice? It would be a forest with its own requirements. It’s high time to send them and a few more organizations towards Everest !!!

[Mikhail m]

About the requirements too much is said. Only one who has power can demand. And PACE is just air shakers and paper scatters.

[Uncle lee]

So Russia is helping LDN humanitarianly-this is aggression! And the supply of weapons to the Armed Forces is a peaceful humanitarian mission! Who left the roof?
PS And also this PACE needs to be paid !!!!

[Mikhail m]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Hence

An interesting conclusion from my comment. Is it possible to expand the train of thought?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Michael m

Only one who has power can demand. And PACE is just air shakers and paper scatters.

Correctly say: "hehemon" requires and passes. And what, everything is as always: came to the service / work / office - follow the requirements of the authorities, and the authorities, as a rule, are not interested in other people's opinion. They all bent, entangled with all kinds of passe, human rights courts, the Hague tribunals, etc., and oh, how I want to bend Russia too ..
We would like to hope that Russia will correctly "unscrew the voluptuous pa" on foreign territory, we will take a look

[Livonetc]

It’s just that you have to go through this period.
Pase, the UN and the Olympic Committee everywhere smell like a musty, stuffy spirit.
To display patiently and progressively.

[aszzz888]

Campaign the world went crazy. And all this with a handout of some “not good people”, and these are the Merikatos Ko.

[Dormidont]

There is nothing new under the sun. They try to destroy us for a third thousand years

[Hammerlock]

Quote: Dormidont

There is nothing new under the sun. They try to destroy us for a third thousand years

ek you skidded

[Nevsky_ZU]

Does this mean that Moscow’s demands on Russia in the Donbas will be considered?

The PACE resolution was commented by State Duma Deputy Peter Tolstoy: ... "(in any case, with regard to the Russian Crimea)"

I do not like this Tolstoy. As I recall his speech in the State Duma at the expense of the decision-reflection to go or not to go to our team in the Olympics, it seemed as if between raindrops and patriotic speeches, gave a subtle hint that our team was traveling. Not everyone noticed or noticed?

[Dave36]

We have nothing to lose, but he also feels rather well, there is something to lose.

[samarin1969]

"Does this mean that Moscow will consider the requirements for Russia in the Donbass? ..." - unfortunately, "does not mean." It is difficult at all why Russia should participate in such structures. When throats were cut to our soldiers during the Chechen wars, Europe applauded. Now these "partners" bless the Ukrainian state terror. Even a discussion of something with the Europeans does not make sense and is immoral in essence.

[Monster_Fat]

It has already been written, “why”: to go to deputies on business trips, to receive “per diem”, etc.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: samarin1969

Even a discussion of something with the Europeans does not make sense and is immoral in essence.

+100500
We need to create our own platform and it will be, as with our economic forums - the line is built out of comers and America in the forefront!

[Dave36]

It was necessary to think when they took the Crimea (of course they returned it), when they brewed Donetsk and Lugansk, that they wrote themselves problems for centuries. It was thought that the loot would defeat evil, but no, it didn’t. Just like with OI, ... they’re not stupid there, moreover, we always proved to them our right to life only with blood, but not with good manners and diplomacy ..

[Monar]

That you tell the residents of the Crimea. Or residents of LDNR.
And nothing (from the word at all) we don’t have to those who sit there in PACE.

[Dormidont]

It’s time to stop all contact with Satanists.

[oracul]

In some ways, everything that happens reminds me of Gulliver in the land of the Lilliputians, when he was tied in a dream with many thin ropes. All deputies, senators and others overnight became diplomats: cautious in expressions, constant reservations with calls for dialogue and cooperation, a wait-and-see attitude that increasingly gives rise to the opposing side to strengthen attacks. We are the enemy for most of them, they are partners for us, and even friends, despite all the nasty things addressed to us. This is what bothers most. I do not think that during the civil war and the early years of World War II it was easier for us. We must not forget that the time that the region needs is working not only for us, but also for them.

[bald]

Well, and our reaction? There is traditionally a Russian parting word on the road. And calmly do what we consider necessary.

[Strashila]

PACE officially supported the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine ... by which they equated themselves with the Nazi-Nazis.

[Glory1974]

PACE officially supported the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine ... by which they equated themselves with the Nazi-Nazis.

It is only necessary to officially explain this to the world community. But I'm afraid our Foreign Ministry will not make such harsh statements. But it would be worth it.

[rotmistr60]

They were not given money, so they decided to even run for free. When Russia paid for its punch, it was of course good and comfortable for PACE, but in this case it is possible for free.

[Alex-a832]

There will still be every European gangster in an interest club to give us a decree - whether or not to support the Russian people in our historical land. His resolution - in a tube and in a known place!

[sgr291158]

Yes, what is it, all only demand and demand. Where to go to Russia.

[faiver]

I’m not a poet, I will say in poems - but it wouldn’t have gone in small steps ...

[Vard]

And who is this PACE ... And why are they exciting ... We, as I understand it, are no longer there ... and they are not a decree for us ...

[RUSOIVAN]

I started a cat from PASyukov: it helps!

[Citizen 90]

Isn’t it time for our deputies to make an official statement saying: “We perfectly see where all the dregs come from and why. I don’t like that they recognized the referendum and took away the Crimea? Do we support the militias HUMANITARIAN? So rejoice that the Americans didn’t“ shock ”the test tube and didn’t allow themselves to send troops solely for reasons of national security - our borders are close ...

The demands of Ukraine are generally ridiculous. I have nothing against people. Until the 14th I talked with guys from Lviv and Kiev, and after. Those that were adequate - they remained, and the Natsiks were buzzing on Russia before.

The funniest thing is that Crimea, in fact, THERE was never, and if it happened that they did not stuff the western outskirts of the USSR with the latest weapons, they would have nothing to sell and feed after the collapse of the union ...

ps In general, let Europe remember Ossetia and Georgia. At first, too, on their news, they shouted that Russia had attacked without understanding. A few months later they heard that nobody could be deceived and the rhetoric changed diametrically. Do they recall their fiasco a lot now? It did not work to make the aggressor from Russia like a new old horror story.

ps.2 What the hell did I move then? ... The checkbox is different ... The mess.

[nivander]

axis let Ukrainians in a pass groshiki and pay

[Mih1974]

Chu, something sounded far and illegible, and the "bolt" with him. We heard about the pass - we didn’t hear, we are there - we are there. Well, on Net and there is no trial.

[rocket757]

I think we already sent PACE in the pass !!!! They did not find the way there, but this is their problem !!!

[BAI]

This PACE is tired as well as Ukraine.

[Evgenijus]

For some reason it seems to me that PACE is a gathering of political homosexuals. Puppet Theater, driven from overseas. But these dolls are not like those of the evil Carabas (from the famous cartoon tale), but quite satisfied with their “good” Carabas.

[BARHAN]

Is it worth paying attention to dogs barking at a caravan?

[Altona]

The Nazis began to uncover, having thrown off a lying humanistic mask and without any hypocrisy began to say that they want to destroy the Russians as a nation.

[Igor-01-03-56]

The States would also ask
Only very scary -
States will come without a mandate
And PACE will be soaked.

[Normal]

I don’t understand the essence of states in such organizations. PACE, like many organizations of this kind, is a collective head speaking at the direction of its overseas owners. In fact, these are bonded organizations that read out texts prepared in advance for them. Hoping that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow they will see clearly and begin to adequately evaluate at least something in the world is zero. Although this does not mean that absolutely everyone who belongs to this organization or the like are stupid and misunderstanding people. No, but being at the level of a kept woman, or even worse - a slave, this opinion will never be voiced. Can a slave have his own opinion? All these swings will continue indefinitely while there is such a state as the USA on the globe. This is not a revelation or a secret.

[astepanov]

PACE is like a gypsy who wasn’t given money: she runs after him, curses and demands: “Well, give me something!” It seems that many international structures are the cooperatives of the poor, begging for the sake of feeding their members - well, and the "roof", of course.

[Berkut24]

I would have burned the notice of the PACE decision with the cameras. And don’t give money - you don’t give a damn about giving. They want to exclude - let them exclude. The honor of the company of freaks and homosexuals is not great.

[Archivist Vasya]

This does not mean anything - just balabolstvo at a high level.

[Nemesis]

The lackeys of Washington do not have the right to demand something from Russia, and it’s time for Russia to completely leave PACE, there’s nothing for Russia to do there .... ALL of your Ukraine is on the map of 1654 and I won’t mind if it returns to Poland ... Donbass, Odessa and so on, these are the territories of Russia occupied by Bandera, on which the policy of genocide of the Russian people is carried out!

[Zomanus]

We have already come out of this PACE.
We don’t pay money, we don’t attend meetings,
we don’t participate in discussions.
In fact, for us, these PACE are already no one and no way to call.
And the question is rather that we did not send them before.

[koshmarik]

It seemed to me that PACE was calling Russia back to discuss certain issues, but no - we had not yet managed to enter the conference room, when the delegates had already adopted an ultimatum on Crimea and the Donbass, and they required 80 more. Well, brazen company! Ohrenel absolutely!

[23424636]

Yes, Donbass is fumbling and all this satanic army - PACE oar grunts - atu them. A restraining factor for Russia is whether this emasculated rascals from the grandchildren who killed the Russian people on the Great Patriotic War fronts or who produced weapons and ammunition and products for them, because all of Europe (except England) was under Hitler. To score on these freaks, let them train on donkeys. Open direct bank connections to Donbass, a piece of iron to Moscow and Rostov, direct mail with the offices of Rospochta for 4 years and things are there, everyone is puffing up thinking suddenly they will backtrack. Here put the son of Fradkov’s GDP (very similar to young Valman) to a defense bank why not create a Russian or pseudo-Russian domestic bank for settlements with D N R and L N R, then the economy of Donbass will get a new impetus. otherwise, through some sort of Ossetian collective farms, we are trading in coal and metal.

[prior]

We must take into account the requirements of PACE and finally annex Donbass to the Russian Federation, together with other regions of New Russia.
Then the help to the people of Donbass will be legally.

[7 poplar]

But what does PACE not call Russian money? and they go to Donbas, regrettably .......

[Nicholas Bnv]

The more liberals in power justify themselves, the more accusations they get ... The Chinese answer simply and succinctly, do not bother your mind and don’t cling to them. In general, PACE is an engaged organization (most 28 NATO countries are PACE members) PACE organization supporting Nazi terrorists who are destroying their people, if they sound it to them, they won’t cling to it, the current government in Russia is weak, or deliberately deaf, to adequate answers, this is already a clear fact ...

[tv70]

I’ll simply say: But you wouldn’t have grown up, European assemblers.