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Scandals and intrigues in the 20 Army of the Western Military District

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Yes, today we can definitely say that what is happening in parts of the 20 Army of the Western Military District is a matter of concern, because it is not only about the security of our country, but also about security on the border with Ukraine’s most aggressive and unpredictable neighbor.


In the 20 Army today are concerned with celebrating the upcoming jubilee. It's good. But the fact that in our army units and subdivisions our ordinary army mess goes beyond the ordinary, this is not encouraging.

Also, in principle, not happy that from the useful for the state of affairs at the exit of some vague coven, pretty flavored with lies.

We return to the case of Captain Zolotarev, who has become impudent that he decided to tell the Supreme Commander (well, Zolotarev believed that such a thing is possible) about the facts of corruption and disgraces that occur in the 20 army.

Not all people know that the so-called website for appeals to the president is a fiction as a whole. But all who addressed there received a formal reply, and things were headed lower.

In general, it was not for the sake of everything that was mutated, so that everyone could take their thoughts to the president.

Today, at first sight, amusing events take place around and around Zolotarev. On the second - I want to cry.

And, naturally, materials have already begun to be placed in the media, the purpose of which is not to investigate what Zolotarev stated in his appeals, but, on the contrary, to discredit the captain as much as possible.

The beginning, as I understand it, with the filing of the Investigative Committee, was laid RIA "Voronezh". Well, I will not blame the correspondent of this provincial media Victoria Lushina for anything, except, perhaps, the fact that she absolutely did not bother to check the material. What she shoved, then placed for his signature.

Voronezh investigators check a video message to Putin about corruption in the army

And in vain. Truth there was on the strength of 5%.

“Investigators of the Voronezh garrison began checking after a video message from the former Belgorod military to Vladimir Putin. Captain Alexei Zolotarev complained to the president about corruption and arbitrariness in the military unit 34670 in Valuyki, where he served. The words of the man will be checked by law enforcement agencies, the main military investigative department of the IC of Russia reported on Friday, January 19.

One could be glad if everything was not so sad. We have repeatedly mentioned the Voronezh military investigators who are not capable of investigating the word at all.

These were appeals from the Don search squad and a complaint from citizen Gorin against lawlessness on the part of FSB officer Shchitov. These are the three cases of suicide in 2017 in Boguchar, where another part of the 20 Army is stationed.

“Don” never recovered from the losses, Gorin himself was to blame, suicides committed suicide for personal reasons. All is calm, all are free. I am sure that something like this will happen this time.

Moreover, it is fascinating that the military investigators, according to my information, are concerned not with checking what Zolotarev reported, but with the search for compromising materials on Zolotarev. From the moment of his admission to the Ulyanovsk SVU and to the present day.

"A former military man attached an audio recording of a telephone conversation with his boss, who threatened to" destroy "Zolotarev and his family."

Mrs. Lushina is great!

She was not informed, however, that by the decision of the Kursk Garrison Military Court of 29.11.2017, the captain Zolotarev had not only removed the illegal and deceitful penalties, but had also canceled the order of the commander of the ZVO about dismissing Zolotarev from the ranks of the Armed Forces.





But we will return to the publication of the court decision a little later.

As for the conversation with the boss, who is threatening to "destroy" the family and Zolotarev himself. In quotes take the word "destroy" could only a person who did not hear the recording.

I heard the recording, and not the part that was given in Zolotarev's video message, but the whole one. Moreover, it is in my possession, and in the near future, as soon as the translation into the literary language ends, the recording will be posted.

I'm afraid after that many questions will disappear. But to Major Elizarov other questions will appear.

"Employees of the Voronezh garrison military investigative department will check whether there were actually death threats (part 1 Art. 119 of the RF Criminal Code) and insult of a serviceman (part 2 Art. 336 of the RF Criminal Code)."

Well, I'll just be happy if the investigators investigate anything. But again, doubt the car.

“The military also reported that in May 2017 of the year against Zolotaryov opened a criminal case, which is being considered in the Kursk Garrison Military Court. According to security officials, the man did not appear at work for more than a month, he was accused of failing to appear in the service (part 4 Art. 337 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). ”

Yes, aroused. Blamed. And we will return to this case too. There lies a lie on a lie and chases nonsense. And we will analyze this "case" by bone.

“The accused repeatedly delayed the investigation of the criminal case, changing the version. In addition, Zolotaryov’s father turned to the military investigation department about mental and physical pressure on his son to obtain the “necessary” testimony. During the trial, these facts were not confirmed. The respondent on the merits of Zolotarev’s appeal did not confirm the facts of using violence against him, voicing threats, as well as committing forgery, ”the Main Military Investigation Department of the IC of Russia informed.”

I do not know why the gentlemen from the main military investigative department should lie, but they do it. At the very least, it would be interesting to see evidence of a delay in the criminal case against Zolotarev.

“Interrogated on the merits of the appeal” Zolotarev could not confirm the fact of an attempt to injure him. This does not mean that they did not try to beat him.

Go ahead. If the GVSU RF IC does not want to see the facts of forgery, then it will not see them. It's all clear. 5 “strogachey”, listed in a new, forged officer’s personal card, three of which canceled the court, and two withdrew the command of the unit as “erroneous” - this is not a forgery, no.

“Investigators said that Zolotarev complained to the prosecutor’s office about corruption schemes when he himself was under investigation. The military’s information was not confirmed, he was denied a criminal case. ”

Well, here there is a little almost truth. Indeed, Zolotarev wrote a part of 12 of his appeals when the investigation was conducted. But doesn’t a person have the right to complain to the prosecutor’s office if a case is filed against him?

Something new in military jurisprudence ...

About the fact that the information was not confirmed. It’s like looking for confirmation. If not, they will not find it.

I have a copy of one of the reports of Zolotaryov on my desk. And from him I, as a man who served, can understand what the captain is writing about. About fully disassembled cars. Which should be taken as fighting. But we will also talk about this document later.

Now I make the following conclusion. Pretty unpleasant for me.

In the 3 th motorized rifle division of the 20 th army there was a man who didn’t like some moments of military life in this division.

I understand that in other Zolotaryov service centers such a disgrace did not occur and did not steal it. And for some reason, Zolotarev didn’t want to write complaints somewhere. Everything is logical.

But after his appeals to the very top, instead of conducting an investigation of the episodes, the investigation rushes at full speed to cover their tracks and accuse Zolotarev of all grave ones.

Perfectly. The landing of Zolotarev, which the command of the unit is seeking today, will undoubtedly complete the disassembled RCMs, will block the sale of fuel and protect the "honor of the uniform."

But what honor are we talking about, especially in relation to Major Elizarov?

What honor are we talking about, watching people trample down the dirt in all available ways?

We trust Captain Zolotarev and will not leave this topic. On January 20 we visited Belgorod and Valuyki and met with several people. And on the basis of the information received, we will try to help Captain Zolotarev restore order in the 3-th MSD.

We believe that we have the right to do this. The army, we dare to remind, does not earn anything yet. And all the money for it comes from the budget. Which we fill as well. So we have the right to demand.

“Everything is good in our army” is, in our opinion, not that “everything is sewn and covered”. And vice versa.

Therefore, we will pay attention to the cause of Captain Zolotaryov. And at the same time to all those who wrote to the editor after the first publication. The most interesting is the letter of two soldiers from Boguchar who are ready to help shed light on the mysterious suicides in parts.

We want our army to be the one we dreamed about in 90. And the way it has become today, if we are told the truth. And, accordingly, we will make every effort so that it is such. And it was not a refuge for frank parasites who want to live well at the expense of our defenses.
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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 24 January 2018 06: 30 New
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    You’re doing a good deed. They stole, and will steal in every way possible, especially in remote garrisons, but it’s not worth lowering their hands. You need to punish thieves like with Peter the Great with red-hot iron. Like their patrons. Team bail in protecting the uniform’s honor, the main problem is all centuries.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 January 2018 08: 08 New
      12
      Yeah .. We turned to the site about the police’s inaction towards drug distributors .. We wouldn’t have written better. What did this captain think? What good gentleman will go and slander all the stealing servants? Yeah, wait. ..
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      You’re doing a good deed. They stole, and will steal in every way possible, especially in remote garrisons, but it’s not worth lowering their hands. You need to punish thieves like with Peter the Great with red-hot iron. Like their patrons. Team bail in protecting the uniform’s honor, the main problem is all centuries.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 24 January 2018 08: 27 New
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        Yes, they most likely got it. Here he was faced with a choice, either imprisoned for the theft, which thrives, and will drag him out, or put an end to his career. In any case, I’m sorry for the guy (unless of course there are other underwater motives). He fell between a rock and a hard place. I met such principled people in my life. And there were not a few of them. I try to be like that myself. And this is a heavy burden.
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    3. groks
      groks 24 January 2018 11: 29 New
      0
      and their patrons
      And how high should these patrons tear?
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 24 January 2018 11: 48 New
        +9
        They won’t regret their whereabouts. Putin didn’t even regret his minister. So Shoigu should act. But for good, it’s necessary in China, so that the relatives of the shot would also pay for cartridges.
        1. groks
          groks 24 January 2018 12: 27 New
          +4
          So to Putin and Shoigu then you have to pull your hands.
          1. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 24 January 2018 12: 31 New
            +2
            They are already at such a height that they do not need it.
            1. groks
              groks 24 January 2018 14: 11 New
              +2
              What is not needed? Is the equipment inoperative not necessary? Or turn the army into a large PMC?
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 24 January 2018 17: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          They won’t regret their whereabouts. Putin didn’t even regret his minister. So Shoigu should act. But for good, it’s necessary in China, so that the relatives of the shot would also pay for cartridges.

          I think it’s necessary not to regret Putin, for who built such a system? Who is not responding?
        3. 108- guards pdp
          108- guards pdp 25 January 2018 08: 59 New
          0
          “But for good, it’s necessary as in China, and that the relatives of the executed person would also pay for cartridges.” - Most likely it is necessary, and even with complete confiscation.
    4. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 24 January 2018 15: 50 New
      +3
      it was just in the remote garrisons and there was more order than in the center (not counting isolated cases) with normal commanders ...
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 24 January 2018 21: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      You do a good deed, though they stole, and they will

      Absolutely so!
      All military (and civilian) villains can not be deduced, but, as they say, it is necessary to strive for this.
      Moreover, if disgraces do take place, and this, as the poet said, it may very well be necessary for the question to reach the very top.
      Moreover, regardless of whether Mr. Zolotarev is good or not, and what are his motives, for the connection is, as previously said, a cover for the state. border, constant readiness, and on the border with an independent banderlogy, it is quite possible to use it for its intended purpose.
      Examples showing that when the thunder strikes, then "the carburetor does not suck", then the stupid commanders and soldiers are not trained, then everything has already been stolen before us in the annals of military history.
  2. tasha
    tasha 24 January 2018 06: 32 New
    15
    For such journalistic activity, you have tremendous respect!
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 January 2018 07: 13 New
    13
    To draw the right conclusions for yourself is not enough to read the article. It would be nice to be aware of all the events and listen to both sides of the conflict. Authors of articles on such a topic may have their bias towards one side or the other. Therefore, I will refrain from going straight to take sides.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 24 January 2018 08: 36 New
      +5
      "The strong is always powerless to blame: To that in History we hear a lot of examples, But we don’t write History; But about how they say in Fables" (Krylova "The Wolf and the Lamb")
      Nothing new...
      IUU ICP 3 msd 20 air defense missile defense system Valuyki in a new area. Tomorrow the pipe may play. And the equipment is defective. This is a threat to disrupt a possible combat mission and the captain will again be to blame ..
      In any case, a wise regiment commander would have acted differently, and not wave his saber ...
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 24 January 2018 12: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Therefore, I will refrain from going straight to take sides.

      And it is right! Let's hope for an objective investigation.
      The army is the "child" of the Russian state, and if the "parent" is sick, it is foolish to talk about the 100% health of the "child". After all, bastards are stolen, in uniform and without shoulder straps.
      I met with the material on the captain on other sites, this material is already walking on the Runet.
      I would like to wish him good luck, it is difficult and not safe to fight the system. (IMHO).
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 24 January 2018 07: 18 New
    +6
    Such as this captain, at all times from the army drove to the neck - like a scoundrel dog. That's all the proceedings, fair.
    1. astronom1973n
      astronom1973n 24 January 2018 07: 33 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      Such as this captain, at all times from the army drove to the neck - like a scoundrel dog.

      But the refusal to accept obviously faulty equipment as the 2nd category ... What is wrong? Or was there no one in practice when everyone yells, come on. And after acceptance, the investigation and payment of money. And if tomorrow on a trip? And then what?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 24 January 2018 07: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: astronom1973n
        .And if you go camping tomorrow? And then what?

        The war will write everything off.
        1. AUL
          AUL 24 January 2018 09: 08 New
          13
          Yes, he will. The lives of our children and grandchildren. In order for some to replenish their pocket.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 24 January 2018 09: 25 New
            0
            We are not sitting in a meeting; we will not scatter slogans.
      2. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 24 January 2018 09: 45 New
        0
        yes all this nonsense. he could not be forced to do that. and not because it’s impossible, but simply at any check, the command of the part will still get the most.
        1. faiver
          faiver 24 January 2018 12: 39 New
          +4
          this is not rubbish - I signed that I accepted working equipment and then you will answer why there is scrap metal in the park, the chief accountant tried to write down FOURTEEN cars after the change of director, although I am not a financially responsible person ...
          1. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 24 January 2018 13: 09 New
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            I'm afraid you do not quite understand how this works in the army. even if I’m complete and I’ll accept them, then when checking not only I’ll get there, but all my immediate superiors. I just went through something like that already. in a smaller size but ...
            1. faiver
              faiver 24 January 2018 13: 20 New
              +2
              The infliction of material damage to state property by improper performance of their duties ...
              1. cariperpaint
                cariperpaint 24 January 2018 13: 29 New
                +1
                exactly. but just besides me there is my immediate boss who bears exactly the same responsibility. for me it’s just someone at the initiative of a lawyer raises hysteria. this has happened many times.
                1. faiver
                  faiver 24 January 2018 13: 32 New
                  +4
                  in this regard, they do not share material responsibility, the chief will be responsible for what he did not control, and the one who signed it will be compensated for material damage ...
                  1. kirgiz58
                    kirgiz58 25 January 2018 23: 32 New
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                    Quote: faiver
                    in this regard, they do not share material responsibility, the chief will be responsible for what he did not control, and the one who signed it will be compensated for material damage ...

                    In this situation, they share, though not in equal proportions. They don’t share when the theft is proved, and the cap didn’t hit anything ( smile ) Everyone, up to the regiment, will pay with a proper administrative investigation. And at the expense of accepting the technique of the cap itself is stupid. Technique must be accepted, but an acceptance report of the equipment with all the indicated drawbacks must be attached to the job posting report (one copy in combat, the second endorsed for itself). And serve further without great problems.
                    1. faiver
                      faiver 26 January 2018 04: 52 New
                      0
                      collective liability? this is something new laughing
                      1. kirgiz58
                        kirgiz58 26 January 2018 06: 32 New
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                        Quote: faiver
                        collective liability? this is something new

                        One gets the impression that you are far from the army. Or they were not at all connected with the accounting and movement of material resources in the army (such as a "single soldier at the junction of two fronts"), or maybe they served in the "paid" unit. I repeat once again, if there is no theft, then not only the platoon pays.
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco 27 January 2018 16: 46 New
              0

              Quote: cariperpaint
              I'm afraid you do not quite understand how this works in the army.

              I'm afraid you don’t understand what you’re talking about. So it was and will be.
              Every signature is a step to prison
              They taught me that way, and then, no ignorance of both the law and other circumstances does not relieve me of responsibility. He was present more than once, in a situation where a superior was asked to put a signature, he heard a similar saying there.
    2. faiver
      faiver 24 January 2018 11: 43 New
      0
      that’s why our army is like that - until the thunder strikes, a man crosses himself
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 24 January 2018 11: 56 New
        0
        Here it is our army, and not this unlucky captain.
        Work, brothers .....
        1. faiver
          faiver 24 January 2018 12: 35 New
          +8
          I myself served, you can send this window dress to the Russia24 channel ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 24 January 2018 12: 38 New
            0
            Quote: faiver
            this window dress

            What window dressing are you talking about? the farther the merrier.
            1. faiver
              faiver 24 January 2018 12: 41 New
              +8
              well, have fun ..., I'm not saying that the whole army is like that, but theft and rot are enough, as in the whole society ...
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 24 January 2018 12: 54 New
                0
                After reading the article - so you can have fun from the heart, or from just the heading to it, as accurately noted in one of the comments.
        2. vik669
          vik669 27 January 2018 13: 12 New
          0
          You are not my brother to me .... "confusing" !!!
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 27 January 2018 16: 52 New
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          army, and not this unlucky captain.

          You probably recognized yourself, in this article, most likely the same Elizarov in your former greatness))))) That's how history, codes are copied, and the truth becomes a lie. A good deed becomes bad, a bad good. At this pace and the LGBT community will soon be the norm, both in everyday life and in the sun.)))))))) Is it so or not? You are our good-natured)))))
        4. alexxxz
          alexxxz 15 February 2018 17: 13 New
          0
          Beaver, you are driving! Beaver, you drive! What is he not good for? The fact that he refused to accept the dismantled equipment? And would you, a beaver, sign the act of transfer, seeing your 66th standing in the PBM without wheels, headlights and doors? Would you sign? And then what would he say to the commander, who himself had sold all this, to the failure of the equipment to go to the landfill? And if some kind of "high" check came in large numbers? What would explain to them? The commander wouldn’t “cover” you, taking all this upon himself! ..
    3. midivan
      midivan 24 January 2018 14: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: bober1982
      Such as this captain, at all times from the army drove to the neck - like a scoundrel dog. That's all the proceedings, fair.

      Yeah, which showed in the first Caucasus very clearly what this order leads to, well, if you think - the BTR-70, for example, should take 200 liters of water and 60 oil with it to less than 40 km to get and stop every 20 km to add , this is normal, then think how many times he was exposed as a pig under attack. If it's normal when you hear your call - Kuban! (Call sign Kuban) I am your mom, dad .... l! and so on. That's right, then, as they say the right way, we go Comrades !!!
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 24 January 2018 14: 58 New
        0
        You would give an example from the Finnish war.
        1. midivan
          midivan 24 January 2018 15: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: bober1982
          You would give an example from the Finnish war.

          What has changed? Have people become immortal?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 24 January 2018 17: 04 New
            0
            Quote: midivan
            What has changed?

            Nothing has changed, and will not change. Only all kinds of eccentrics need to be driven out of the army. This is the law for all times and peoples.
            1. alexxxz
              alexxxz 15 February 2018 17: 16 New
              0
              Those. if he is trying to change the army for the better, then an eccentric and drive him with a filthy broom? And who to leave? Oaks for fortress defense?
  5. Chichikov
    Chichikov 24 January 2018 08: 02 New
    +6
    We want our army to be the one we dreamed about in the 90s.
    In those years, no one dreamed, not before! They thought, either how to feed a family while remaining in the army, or how to build a life on a civilian!
    1. midivan
      midivan 24 January 2018 15: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Chichikov
      In those years, no one dreamed

      Come on! Ask the boys to call 94-95.
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 25 January 2018 03: 12 New
        0
        I did not know that the 90s, it’s 94-95!
        And for a year of military service, all that remains is what to dream about, the imminent DMB.
  6. Loess
    Loess 24 January 2018 08: 04 New
    +6
    The first article said that the captain did not agree with certain events, which were not specified. This article talks about "corruption and ugliness" ... But can you somehow more specifically find out why all the fuss is?
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      1. Loess
        Loess 24 January 2018 08: 42 New
        +4
        Thank you, I looked, clarity did not increase, except at the very beginning there was a mention of technology, but no details from the word at all. Still, I would like to understand why it all started.
        1. Varg
          Varg 24 January 2018 17: 05 New
          0
          Funny, the link was deleted due to which the whole "fuss".
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 24 January 2018 16: 38 New
      0
      And can you somehow find out more specifically because of what the whole fuss is?

      I would also like to know what is the matter? So to say, what is the plot?
      Or the captain did not accept the equipment, because he did not want to work on restoring its combat readiness and waited for him to be given zero. Or he was ordered to accept her with the goal of becoming a "scapegoat." But at the same time, in both cases he is not left alone, there are commanders of all degrees who will respond exactly the same.
      In general, it seems that the captain is not quite right.
      At one time, by order of the district commander, in the Chechen Republic, our unit was supposed to accept several BMP units of understaffed, unable to fire, defrosted engines. The question was resolved, but in principle it was possible to raise a wave, as in this case.
      1. faiver
        faiver 24 January 2018 17: 25 New
        +1
        How did the BMP go through the documents? as suitable for further use without modifications or as a technique requiring major repairs and partially understaffed? I understand the question is ...
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 24 January 2018 19: 50 New
          +1
          BMPs stood at the checkpoints for a long time and were used as firing points. We were given a command when changing the personnel of the checkpoints to accept BMP. Of course, according to the documents, they were alert, but really not. Zampotech refused to sign acts that did not reflect the real state of technology, he was supported by officers. The scandal reached the district command. As a result, resources were allocated for the restoration of equipment, including the help of Rembat. And although the BMP still had to be accepted and restored, including with their own hands, it’s better than before that the authorities had their eyes covered and the lime reports sent. Nobody reproached us for these cars, they all knew what they got to us.
          But at the stage of resolving the issue, of course, many copies were broken.
          1. faiver
            faiver 24 January 2018 19: 55 New
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            Well, here they decided not to break the spears, but the captain,
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 24 January 2018 20: 29 New
              +1
              The question is why? You can’t shove faulty equipment onto it. And who needs publicity throughout the country? I think he accepted it quietly, and the audit or commission counted him money for shortage. He turned on the back: the technique was unsuitable.
  7. Captain Angry
    Captain Angry 24 January 2018 08: 07 New
    +6
    The authors are right. They raised an important topic. Unfortunately, the army is not subject to any public control, in general, even within reasonable limits. At least the State Duma’s Defense Committee. (For some reason, many have the opinion that such control takes place only on the part of “nulliparous soldier’s mothers”) The principle must be valid - the taxpayer has to know, within a reasonable legal framework, how his money is spent on defense. Any real truth in our army is doomed to defamation and defamation. Alas. (Here we must not be confused with judicial litigants, who are also lacking, but mainly because of the legally mediocre command, which does not bear any responsibility for incorrect legal decisions, we do not have such a mechanism in the army. The commander can lose military courts as much as their own wrong decisions, and remain in their posts!). It is necessary to change the situation. Any honest military man and person can find himself in very difficult situations. Nothing new - honest people have never lived in the light!
    1. Varg
      Varg 24 January 2018 17: 16 New
      +2
      There should be no question of any public control in the army. Russia has already gone through this. There were such public councils at military units at the end of the First World War - everyone knows what this led to, to the complete incapacity of the military units. To improve the situation in the army, transparency of the income of commanders and their relatives should be introduced. This will reduce corruption and pushing the “protégé” and mediocrity to ministerial and other command posts. But, unfortunately, this is utopia - what is society (how corrupt is it) is such an army.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 January 2018 08: 20 New
    +6
    All thieves are driven out of the army without a pension, if they cannot be imprisoned ... Well done, authors. Keep it up.
  9. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 24 January 2018 08: 35 New
    +6
    In the thieves' system, there can be no such thieves army. It's amazing that someone else is surprised!
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 24 January 2018 09: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Antianglosaks
      In the thieves' system, there can be no such thieves army. It's amazing that someone else is surprised!

      They steal where there is state money and officials. And the more money, the more they steal. Calling it corruption, and in the USA - lobbying
  10. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 24 January 2018 08: 55 New
    +2
    It seems to be a noble cause makes Roman Skomorokhov - fighting for justice. But, given his material about the situation in Crimea, when he wrote about Chaly, strong doubts crept in on this matter.
  11. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 24 January 2018 09: 46 New
    +2
    and the title of the article is premature. it is the intrigues of an individual. what does the whole army have to do with it?
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  13. BAI
    BAI 24 January 2018 10: 54 New
    +1
    In the 3 th motorized rifle division of the 20 th army there was a man who didn’t like some moments of military life in this division.

    Why then in the title of the article was a generalization to the 20th army? How much not to the district and not to all the aircraft?
    There are flaws in the 20th Army, but not in other places?
    If there is a problem in a particular division, it is necessary to write about it.
  14. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 24 January 2018 11: 49 New
    +7
    There is a recipe for combating theft, but the authorities will never use it. Corruption permeated all structures and departments, including the army, but the GDP does not want to shed blood and quarrel with "partners".
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  15. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 24 January 2018 13: 47 New
    +2
    I support Captain Zolotarev. And the generals and colonels, that around him - bummed. There was a few years ago the cleaning of personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but they forgot about the army.
  16. Mazandaran
    Mazandaran 24 January 2018 14: 04 New
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    I don’t agree with the author about the presidential site’s “not working” account .... How it works! I’ve made sure by my example that the president’s site helps. Only it will help if the applicant needs to have patience !!!
    If the first time, the second, the third .... doesn’t help. Everything exactly needs to be continued to write ..., only then it will help 100%.!
  17. Bosch
    Bosch 24 January 2018 14: 14 New
    0
    Thieves were, are and will be. Everywhere.
  18. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 24 January 2018 14: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    To draw the right conclusions for yourself is not enough to read the article. It would be nice to be aware of all the events and listen to both sides of the conflict. Authors of articles on such a topic may have their bias towards one side or the other. Therefore, I will refrain from going straight to take sides.

    Quite right, the authors of the article (already the second on this topic) really cannot explain anything to us. Like "we have evidence, but we will not show it to you or will show it later." SW comrade Skomorokhov and Krivov seem to act according to the same methodology as the so-called "human rights activists" in protecting various "political prisoners of the regime" such as the half-crazy Dadin. The defendant is all white and fluffy, opposed to a terrible and corrupt system in which all the rascals and corrupt officials are all.
    Something you have here is all bad - and the presidential administration, and the investigative committee, - and the ministry of defense, and local authorities and journalists. And everyone is interested in hiding the "truth" from Zolotarev. But these are all different departments. Military investigators are in no way interested in covering up offenses by the command of the military unit of Zolotarev; on the contrary, they will “dig” with zeal and zeal, which any official will confirm to you.
    In general, it seems to me that the point is not in Zolotarev himself, but in the dances around him, including the authors.
  19. midivan
    midivan 24 January 2018 14: 37 New
    +2
    I heard the recording, and not the part that was given in the video address of Zolotarev, but the whole. Moreover, she is at my disposal, and soon, as soon as literary language translation will end, the record will be posted.
    Why transfer? The people must know their "heroes" in the true face! And as one of the representatives I demand the original!
    1. Fing
      Fing 24 January 2018 15: 30 New
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      In its true face, Rospotrebnadzor will not miss
  20. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 24 January 2018 14: 38 New
    +2
    It’s unfortunate that there are so few Zolotaryovs. At least one in each of the offices!
  21. marpa
    marpa 24 January 2018 14: 50 New
    +3
    The author of the article a priori accuses the leadership of the unit and gives us a ready-made answer - who is to blame. In addition, this case is generalized to the entire army and makes us doubt the effectiveness of the army of the 20th army as a whole. Moreover, truth-loving Zolatarev managed to raise such a wave that dozens of people in uniform should give up everything and only deal with this matter and, alas, combat training is being relegated to the background. The essence of the issue is still incomprehensible if he refused to sign something, then he could still sign it with remarks or somehow resolve this situation. The danger of this case is that, ultimately, discipline in the army is shaken and the army no longer becomes an army. And if there are no such truth-seekers, but two or three, then hundreds of military personnel will be drawn into the conflict and, most importantly, such a warhead will simply be the end
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  22. masgen
    masgen 24 January 2018 14: 50 New
    +4
    No matter how much I contact the police, the prosecutor’s office, the city administration, my complaints are always redirected to the head of the enterprise in which I worked ... Repeatedly won the courts ... But I was just "gobbled up" all the same, and retired, although I could another five years to help people ... And I have no respect for all the aforementioned "public services". Apparently these services have such a mentality ...
  23. masgen
    masgen 24 January 2018 14: 59 New
    +5
    Quote: surovts.valery
    Military investigators are in no way interested in covering up offenses by the command of the military unit of Zolotarev; on the contrary, they will “dig” with zeal and zeal, which any official will confirm to you.


    Military investigators are likely to bury Zolotarev himself, but his commander will be barred. I confirm this to you as a soldier in the Soviet army, and now little has changed in some units ...
  24. midivan
    midivan 24 January 2018 15: 07 New
    +4
    But after his appeals to the very top, instead of conducting an investigation of the episodes, the investigation rushes at full speed to cover their tracks and accuse Zolotarev of all grave ones.
    Sledakov to the zone !!! There is nothing easier than that, to go home and see who lives like that, and then look at salaries, that’s a hell of a damn and the whole consequence!
  25. 981698
    981698 24 January 2018 16: 46 New
    +1
    Zolotarev is 100% right. Last year, he worked on the current repair of military buildings in Egorievsk, Moscow Region. Officers complain: “They buy all the equipment at their own expense, etc.” It's nothing. Conducted maintenance repairs of Scocia LLC. The office of Prigogine, he feeds and repairs the military unit with us all over the country. So: They don’t deliver the material, but according to the documents they delivered 18m rubles. Result: all documents are signed, all work is completed. Actually 50% did not. Someone sawed the money.
  26. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 24 January 2018 16: 46 New
    0
    Now in the media and in speeches by the high command of the ODE about how the Army was raised, how it was ennobled, etc. The songs are clearly sonorous, such a stream of money that only have time to rake.
    I would very much like to see the reaction of the Supreme Minister and the hedgehog with him Minister of Defense to the events published in the article.
    Only at once it is necessary to warn them that the chip about lack of awareness will not work.
  27. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 24 January 2018 17: 27 New
    +2
    Zolotarev, hold on! It’s a pity that the members of a closed, customized group in most cases do not support you, by the way, to your death! But we support you! We understand that the institution of the army must be protected and saved! From the bribe takers, from the crooks, from the "daughters of the officers", from much! If you do not do it now, it will be too late in a heated conflict!
  28. Old military officer
    Old military officer 24 January 2018 18: 45 New
    0
    Serious stuff. In the army, as well as on the civilian, everything rests on the system. And we want or do not want, but it will have to be changed. Otherwise, the death of Russia. And this is not pessimism. Everyone understands perfectly, but many in this situation warm their hands well, and also successfully make a career.
  29. vorysgelo
    vorysgelo 24 January 2018 22: 34 New
    0
    ... We want our army to be the one we dreamed about in the 90s. ...
    - In my opinion, you got it, i.e. what they wanted.
    Minister of Defense without symbols of belonging to any state, in the constitution not a word about the army. In a word, they wanted to see it ...
  30. Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 January 2018 23: 30 New
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    Scandals and intrigues in the 20 Army of the Western Military District

    The army is a cast of society. What problems do society as a whole have, such in the army are manifested in a concentrated form.
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 24 January 2018 23: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    You would give an example from the Finnish war.

    You do not seem to fall into anything except in bed with ......... sad
  32. ppgt90
    ppgt90 25 January 2018 08: 06 New
    0
    Yes. a lot, a lot has been done to ensure that our army is absolutely combat-ready. Yes, the armament enters the armed forces is excellent, at the level of world standards, and in many ways surpasses them. But people remain the same. I do not want to indiscriminately blame all servicemen. God forbid. Syria has shown how many excellent soldiers and officers in our army, whose heroic deeds inspire frank respect and pride in our army. But there are also “bugs” who are not averse to making money at the expense of other people's lives. And you won’t say anything. After all, theft just puts the combat readiness of the army and the safety of servicemen, both soldiers and officers, into a big question. I still hope that measures will be taken and the thieves will be thrown out of the army and will suffer a deserved punishment. It must be remembered that the country's army is the security of the state, and the bugs can simply sell this security of the state. Indeed, in their understanding, this is simply a high-demand product. In fact, the bug is the same traitor.
  33. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 25 January 2018 09: 31 New
    0
    In this matter, they will be sorted out for a long time since there is a full cart of ambiguities. What is the main corruption in the army? That's right: he gave the commander on his paw, get the next rank.
  34. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 January 2018 11: 55 New
    0
    Shame and shame, people are fighting in Syria, dying, and here some bureaucrats are sitting, they are stealing, and they are covered by military law enforcement agencies, the concept of honor of the OFFICER of these people is below the baseboard. By the way, this applies to other law enforcement agencies. The concept of honor is not in honor, about what order you can talk about when you often hear from one “big building” - it’s not in the competence of the Kremlin, but that the citizens of RUSSIA and their problems do not belong to this competency, or they need to be brought to a state where people are taken for pitchfork, "there must be fierce discipline and order, fierce observance of laws and regulations, and of course the same fierce demand.
  35. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 25 January 2018 17: 09 New
    0
    Hold on, captain !!!
  36. Thrombus
    Thrombus 25 January 2018 17: 18 New
    0
    They sell fuel everywhere along the way, I remember 1984–86 in my service, but there was no understacking, it was strictly with this in the USSR. And why if you rush in the Crimea, they hang the Ukrainian flag for you ?????? - This is a question for the moderator.
  37. Stanislav Rost
    Stanislav Rost 27 January 2018 04: 19 New
    0
    Are the Specialists in conspiracy? It is clear that they cannot be unaware. We must go up.
  38. vik669
    vik669 27 January 2018 13: 19 New
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    Quote: midivan
    Such as this captain, at all times drove out of the army

    They didn’t drive those and continue to do so - a country of frightened idiots!
  39. Andrey_3
    Andrey_3 28 January 2018 10: 43 New
    0
    He himself faced a similar situation, fortunately he won the appeal and then quit on the basis of OSH. When the disassemblings begin, both local courts and the GRA make decisions that are necessary for the command of the unit, and not for those that would clean up the unit and change the whole system for the better. I am convinced that this is what is happening at all levels of our state. Of course, I respect the GDP and what he did, but I don’t understand why he didn’t do this, so that the supervision, the investigation and the courts would make our life system better and not support this decaying rotten neo-feudal system of “boyar-slaves”. Only the enemy of Russia will vote for GDP. I understand that he will win, in this election I even won so that he won, there is no alternative, unfortunately. But the less he gets%, the higher the likelihood that he will decide to change this rotten system.
  40. alexxxz
    alexxxz 15 February 2018 17: 09 New
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    I really want to hope that the captain will not be left to the mercy of fate / thieves after a call to the editor from a "respected person" who is difficult / impossible to refuse.