Part of the property of the C-400 regiment sent to the PRC was damaged during a storm

Part of the equipment from the C-400 Triumph regimental anti-aircraft missile system sent to China under the 2014 contract of the year returned to the Russian Federation due to damage during a storm, the press service of the Federal Service of the Russian Federation for Military-Technical Cooperation reported ( FSMTC of Russia).

As part of the fulfillment of the contract for the supply of C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to China at the end of December from the port of Ust-Luga in the Leningrad region a vessel with auxiliary equipment left the route that hit a violent storm in the English Channel region, resulting in part of the equipment on board was damaged. In accordance with the decision, the vessel returned to the port of departure.

- said in a statement.

It notes that at the moment, work is underway on the identification of damaged property and the assessment of damage in this insurance case.

Upon completion of these works, the intact property will be sent by the same vessel to the foreign customer. Undelivered property will be sent to the foreign customer later

- clarified in the FSMTC of Russia.

The ministry assured that the incident will not affect the timing of the contract.

The contract will be completed on time.

- Said in the FSMTC.

We remind you that the contract signed with China does not provide for the transfer of technology or the licensed production of C-400.

Comments

[Teberii]

Business is business, you have to answer for quality. But as for copying, they are masters at that.

[oldseaman1957]

Part of the property of the C-400 regiment sent to the PRC was damaged during a storm

- In vain we sell, even nature is against!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: oldseaman1957

In vain we sell, even nature is against!

Also, such an idea slipped .. But the contract is a contract!

[The black]

- In vain we sell, even nature is against!

Too late to reason. This question has already been resolved.

But as for copying, then they are masters at that.

Better let them spend energy and money on copying than on creating a new one ...

[Thrall]

A familiar sailor said that when Chinese tanks were delivered to tank biathlon in Russia, because they were not secured enough, they almost lost them during the storm. I think there is something similar.

[maxim947]

In vain you are so, we know how to secure loads, I myself was engaged in this. In terms of reliability, everything is done with a large margin. There was simply no luck, or meteorologists did not work, or did not listen to them, there the storm was really very strong, you can even say anomalously strong. And so everything will be fixed.

[Vladimir16]

Need to pass in Russia. And let transportation be the Chinese smut.
Now they are engaged in masturbation - troubleshooting, repair, search for the guilty (of course, sailors in everything) and other crap.

[maxim947]

This is a condition of the contract, and standard, so all these lamentations are about nothing ...

[Shurik70]

So it’s not said who was responsible for the transportation?
At what point do our complexes become Chinese?
And finally, was the property insured? And if so, from whom?
So it’s not clear from whose pocket losses will be paid. Even Americans can (if their insurance company).

[Polite Moose]

Quote: maxim947

In vain you are so, we know how to secure loads, I myself was engaged in this. In terms of reliability, everything is done with a large margin. It's just no luck, or meteorologists did not work, or they were not listened to

All this is beyond doubt, but this phrase is:

Currently, work is underway on the detection of damaged property and damage assessment for this insured event.

leads to vague suspicions: in which insurance company was the insurance transported? Incidentally not in the American?

[maxim947]

Why? Vain fears

[Polite Moose]

Quote: maxim947

Why? Vain fears

Yes, the thought was born: The sender is Russian, the recipient is Chinese, the insurer (conspiracy version) is American. The cargo did not reach the recipient intact. Insurance premium how to share the boom with the Chinese? 50x50?

[Galleon]

Interestingly, and 6 likes for your post, are those who know how to fasten goods, or who think that we can?
This time of year in the Far East is a constant severe storm. At this time of the year, my cabin neighbor, the navigator Seryozha Nranyan, along with the entire crew, died on his first captain’s flight on a cargo ship in the East China Sea. 6 points a few days a wave to starboard. cargo - metal in rolls, shifted. Overkil in a few minutes, did not even have time to send a radio. Anyone who has decided to send the complex by sea at such a time of the year is NOT A STATE PERSON, he must be removed from the post he occupies!
There, the path to China is built so that a constant course and a constant wave and wind. A lot depends on the nature of the cargo. And where it is necessary to do double or triple fasteners, they do it "as it should."
As expected, it may turn around

[maxim947]

Why this sad story? What is the question then? Watch the news about the hurricane in Holland, where people were dragged along the asphalt like paper. And why

This time of year in the Far East is a constant severe storm.

in this case, it happened elsewhere, read the article.

[Galleon]

Yes, after a couple of days the anniversary of the m / v “Captain Uskov”, and the reasons are the same. So I remembered. Winter. Look at the weather map even in the same Yandex - all the oceans are blowing. And here is such a valuable cargo to carry - and by sea ?! It’s good that people are all alive, did not crush anyone.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Black

Too late to reason. This question has already been resolved.

Quote: Black

Better let them spend energy and money on copying than on creating a new one ...

I fully support your opinion. I will only add that the export version of the S-400 is sold exclusively. How it differs from non-export, you can ask at any synagogue. And, notice that as soon as news comes to VO about the sale of our modern weapons over the hill, the Yaroslavna’s cry begins that Putin’s sold Russia, that there are no more polymers, that everything will turn against us, about Chinese copier, etc. .P. I want to note that our arms and military trade is controlled by the military-technical cooperation commission, which they rule. officials:

COMPOSITION of the Board of the Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation of the Russian Federation with Foreign States
1. Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation for military-technical cooperation (chairman of the board)
2. The head of the staff of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation - the deputy head of the apparatus of the Government of the Russian Federation (deputy chairman of the board)
3. Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (board secretary)
4. Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation
5. Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
6. Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation
7. Deputy Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation
8. Deputy Director (Head of Service) of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation
9. Deputy Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation
10. Deputy Head of the Foreign Policy Directorate of the President of the Russian Federation
11. Deputy Head of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
12. General Director of the State Corporation for the Promotion of the Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products "Rostec"
13. General Director of Rosoboronexport

If someone believes that these posts are completely de-bills and non-minds, not seeing anything but 30 pieces of silver, then we can only put out the light and drain the water.

[tracer]

Copying always lags behind the developer.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: tracer

Copying always lags behind the developer.

And the development has an obstacle to copying.

[Yarik]

That would once again pass half the world to get into the line, until they remember about railway

[Serg koma]

Quote: Yarik

That would once again pass half the world to get into the line, until they remember about railway

Logisticians and transporters also need a piece of butter for bread
, or transport are included in the cost of delivery to China on the terms of the Customer (, on request).
??
It’s interesting, did our complexes on the Far East also drag by sea by half a ball?

[Solomon Kane]

La! Having such an infrastructure on a "piece of iron", especially with China ..... to carry "iron" by the sea .....

[LSA57]

Quote: Yarik

That would once again pass half the world to get into the line, until they remember about railway

Yes, these are our economists, they can’t calculate anything. it's time to put up an ad on the VO website like "An urgent couch economist with knowledge of freight rates" is urgently needed

[Galleon]

We are in complete order with economists. Rather, complete idiocy: reduction of maternity hospitals, schools, ambulances, bus routes, doctors ... Profit does not bring! The economist considered this “cheap” route not as it should, but as cheaper. Post an announcement - it’s high time in the country to restore order instead of “economism”.

[vovanpain]

Quote: oldseaman1957

In vain we sell, even nature is against!

And what kind of chiches will we produce for ourselves the same "Triumphs"? Our budget is not bottomless and there is no printing press.

[Solomon Kane]

Good morning, gentlemen!
Explain to me the uneducated, but it was impossible to send the "kit" by the "piece of hardware"?
And faster, and cheaper and safer ..... Or, in the "framework of integration", someone decided to weld up for transportation?

[vovanpain]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Explain to me the uneducated, but it was impossible to send the "kit" by the "piece of hardware"?

Hello Kostya! That's exactly the same idea comes, especially since having a common border with China, the more dragging through the world in the sea in winter in the winter, well, hell knows.

[Solomon Kane]

Along the way, Volod, while the GDP is busy with the election troubles, the guys from Rosoboronexport, together with the "honest" bureaucrats from the Ministry of Transport, decided to cut the coupons for the last time ......

[woron333444]

Faster to the islands. They build islands for themselves, but they need to be covered.

[Galleon]

I believe they loaded the complex on transport in our Far Eastern port. Maybe the customs there are calmer than in Grodekovo?

[LSA57]

Quote: oldseaman1957

In vain we sell, even nature is against!

on a neighboring branch. "here are the striped fellows, they sell planes, money to the budget, jobs. We are not selling anything, Putin is to blame"
you gentlemen liberals decide

[Spec]

Not nature. Again, an Englishwoman is crap.

[seti]

Let's see how they get it. And will it work at all. If the outboard motor is only Japanese. If SAM, then only Russia :)

[Thrall]

Quote: seti

If the outboard motor is only Japanese.

Mercury and Evinrud do not exist already?

[seti]

Mercury is no longer being collected in America, and if it is, it is only collected for its market. Only a percentage of China there is off scale. True in Yamaha already too :(
Susa and Honda are special, but they will get to them.
Evinrud stands to hell and spare parts are hard to find. So if something breaks then mom keep me in the chair.

[Thrall]

How much horsepower do you have? a motor?

[seti]

3.6 Parsun and 9.9 / 15 Suzuki AS

[kuznec]

And here, Matvey, you are wrong. I have Hidea, a full copy of the Pit. For five years, not a single gripe, the only thing I changed after buying clamps on ordinary steel. So about copying - everyone is right, the Chinese copier is the best. I hope that the performance characteristics of the complexes are underestimated in the export version, and the "bookmarks" have a place to be. And our aircraft will not be able to bring down these complexes.

[seti]

You are lucky with Hideya. Hide, a friend of our boat 30, has so many problems with her that it would be better if he didn’t take it. He has 2 progress. But there was not enough money for the Japanese because such an option.
But I repeat - Hideya is only negative.
Sea Pro is like a copy of Yamaha and Hide with a pine forest. But Cea Pro also has enough problems.

[kuznec]

Yes, not only I was lucky. Though off topic, Hidea is already faked with might and main.
Here is a topic on many pages, after reading it, I bought a dvigun from this company.
http://www.rusfishing.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=3
0851 & page = 3608
Many people bought in Krasnoyarsk, they don’t complain much about local sites, the seller is adequate, and the service is good. Carries from Huangzhou himself. It seems that Europe often fails to get to Russia. Since both in Europe and in SyShy, this brand is also sold.

[tracer]

About the motor in general to the point. However, about the SAM, too.

[siberalt]

If the whole world was trumpeted about this incident, then everyone knew that Russia was lucky in China in advance.

[dojjdik]

hehe comrade Xi hope to share with comrade Kim Jong; well he won’t be so greedy as some Jew

[Tusv]

Well so. They broke the seal, dumped it in a storm. But! Actually Copy Protection worked

[Xaron-a]

Anglo-Saxons learned how to reproduce the storm in the English Channel?

[Dimka75]

Anglo-Saxons learned how to reproduce the storm in the English Channel?

severe storm in the English Channel

Englishwoman crap

[voyaka uh]

Immortal Pelevin! I like it...

[Xaron-a]

..and assessment of damage in this insured event.

With insurance payments, they are probably all right ... This is only ordinary people on insurance have no rights ...

[The Siberian barber]

Well, why is it disenfranchised ??)) in case of disagreement, there is every right to go to court
A neighbor sued CASCO for a whole year, barely scratched the law.

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: Teberii

Business is business, you have to answer for quality. But as for copying, they are masters at that.

Are you talking about Serdyukov? There is no money, but you hold on? What is it like?

[Herculesic]

That is, to say bluntly that the complexes crumpled during the storm, due to the fact that they were poorly fixed, is it not fate? ?? Tales about a certain "property" write! After all, the truth will come up, and we will look pale in the eyes of those who wish to buy the C400! And fly past the contracts!

[Galleon]

Herculesych, they were fixed, I think, regularly. But there is an element such that it is not necessary to mount properly, but supernumerary. And in the winter sea, it happens several times a month every year - you can’t not know about it - it won’t work!

[Simon]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Part of the property of the C-400 regiment sent to the PRC was damaged during a storm

- In vain we sell, even nature is against!

I agree! Well, our weapons do not want to sail to China!

[Masya masya]

As part of the execution of the contract for the supply of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to China at the end of December from the port of Ust-Luga in the Leningrad Region

For a mad dog a hundred verst- not a hook?

in the English Channel,

[Brylevsky]

There are not many options: either through the Indian Ocean, or by the Northern Sea Route. Well, or you can use the "tariffs" of Russian Railways. Sea freight is the cheapest for the shipper.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Brylevsky

Well, or you can use the "tariffs" of Russian Railways.

Will it fit on the platform?

[Brylevsky]

I don’t know, I can’t say. In my opinion, all our military equipment is being made “in the dimensions” of railway cars. Even if it does not fit ... you can not make out?

[UAZ 452]

If they don’t fit in, then you need to handcuff the S-400 designers, since there is obvious wrecking - in a special period, if the air defense system can be transferred to the theater of operations only by sea, past the enemy’s shores, then this complex still doesn’t exist at all.

[Mordvin 3]

So I do not understand why it is necessary to carry by sea.

[Brylevsky]

So cheaper. The cost of a ton of cargo is less. A question of money ... But the cargo from the Chinese was insured, that's for sure.

[Mordvin 3]

And the railway troops can not transport? Or are they just building? The mess is somehow incomprehensible.

[Brylevsky]

Oversized wheeled and tracked vehicles are usually transported by sea. This refers to export-import traffic. I can’t tell you anything about the railway troops, because I am a sailor. I had to repeatedly carry similar equipment, but not SAM, of course ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Masya Masya

in the English Channel,

But what about the NSR? On it is closer to the Chinay.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Masya Masya

in the English Channel,

But what about the NSR? On it is closer to the Chinay.

Perhaps they are afraid of provocations from the USA near the DPRK ..

[Masya masya]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But what about the NSR? On it is closer to the Chinay people

We are not looking for easy ways ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Masya Masya

We are not looking for easy ways ...

You Marina Viktorovna, as always, the essence itself was captured in our souls ..
We are these complexes, for evil all smuggle around the world in China .. Demonstratively!

[Masya masya]

hi !!! to the old soldier !!!

Quote: MIKHAN

Demonstratively!

but ... that’s the matter, let everyone see it, they will catch up with fear! but that they didn’t deliver, because they also see everything ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Masya Masya

but that they didn’t deliver, because they also see everything ...

They didn’t notice right away, the second attempt went ... Now there will be NATO escort!
And with the music ..

Straight trembling through the body ... (as in youth ..)))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: Masya Masya

but that they didn’t deliver, because they also see everything ...

They didn’t notice right away, the second attempt went ... Now there will be NATO escort!
And with the music ..

Straight trembling through the body ... (as in youth ..)))

When I watched this video, I was scared for our peasants from the Far East and Siberia. If suddenly these fighters trample on them!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Masya Masya

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Masya Masya Today, 09:53 ↑
Quote: Krasnoyarsk
But what about the NSR? On it is closer to the Chinay people

We are not looking for easy ways ... wink

The long way is not always easy

[Kent0001]

Our "specialists" are already unable to fix the equipment during transportation normally. And you want to launch rockets into space. At all levels, "no" attitude towards their duties is literally for everyone. Here is the result. Judge for such a thing.

[Brylevsky]

I agree with you, but not only our dockers make mistakes. Until recently, I worked at a Japanese shipping company, which was also involved in the transportation of heavy wheeled and tracked vehicles on ro-ro ships. From the experience of my work I can say that the most crappy dockers in ... USA (blacks). Then comes England. If there is no personal control of loading there, every chain is not checked, then there is a good chance that at the ocean crossing some bulldozer weighing about 50 tons will begin to “walk” along the hold, collecting everything in its path. A dynamic roll from load displacement during a storm is scary ... Therefore, we went and tried to swing each chain. Except Japan. In Japan, loaded so that it was not necessary to check.

[tracer]

You are right, of course I am not a rigger, but I agree with your conclusions. Touching any technique with a black person is not recommended. It will either break, or break, or (and this is at best) done on snot. Somehow it happened to me to balance a (flat) flat tire. The “black” mechanics sealed, balanced, after which I had to rebalance the same day and the tire flattened a week later. Only then I found out that the balancing machine doesn’t work for them, it just twists. But this does not bother them at all.

[zzdimk]

Quote: Teberii

Business is business, you have to answer for quality. But as for copying, they are masters at that.

There, the main thing is the work algorithms, and not the body and filling. Let them try to understand.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: zzdimk

There, the main thing is the work algorithms, and not the body and filling. Let them try to understand.

All right! I remembered the story of Fau German captured by the Soviet troops .. So there were some alloys of various grades of metal of 1500 there (more than half of which were not produced in the USSR) In fact, we had to start from scratch ... And the current technology is too complicated, especially the electronic filling .. The Chinese get the "export option" and pay good money! So in vain we worry guys ..

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Nevertheless, it is strange that through the English Channel (around the world) ... But what about the Northern Sea Route?

[Brylevsky]

Do not want to pay for icebreaking assistance?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Brylevsky

Do not want to pay for icebreaking assistance?

Here, most likely, politics and a demonstration to the whole world of our complexes purchased by China! After all, there is escort with St. Andrew’s flags, etc ...

[AnpeL]

A contract signed with the PRC provides for neither technology transfer nor licensed production of S-400

Yes, these guys will figure it out for themselves - just give them and not far off an analogue of an air defense system called some kind of hunlun-400

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: AnpeL

Yes, these guys will figure it out for themselves - just give them and not far off an analogue of an air defense system called some kind of hunlun-400

Only outwardly ..! Now if the documentation is stolen, then it is possible ..

[UAZ 452]

Amazing We constantly advertise the advantages of railway transit through our country for Chinese exports to Europe, and at the same time we ship products to China by sea. Adverse weather conditions, their impact on the delivery time and cargo safety, by the way, were also listed among the arguments proving the advantage of land transportation.
PS It is unlikely that the cargo is oversized for the railway, and if so, then questions arise: how are they planning to transfer the S-400 between the theaters of operations in a special period? Also by sea? So after all drown.

[bald]

I'm talking about too, everything fits well, it seems stingy, as usual, pays twice.

[UAZ 452]

But I’m thinking - maybe at the same time they decided to advertise the railway through the Russian Federation again? Well, like - they took us by sea, and here you have the result, and then overloaded (I hope, overloaded) the engine traction, and everything arrived, even the dust particles did not shake off.

[bald]

Hardly, the load is serious. But who and how secured the load - you need to kick your ass.

[bald]

And wouldn’t it be calmer and closer? Maybe the addressee is different, or did they establish a road through Pakistan?

[Bypassed]

The other day, as part of a commission with government officials, I was monitored by one serious technical research institute. The head of this research institute said in a conversation about the features of technology transfer in clear text. that in today's practice, especially when working with the Chinese, patenting developments does not help, current is a waste of money. Anyway, they will copy, if necessary, add a distinctive, non-affecting sign (feature) and get a new patent. The know-how current is still working.

[ver_]

Quote: Yarik

That would once again pass half the world to get into the line, until they remember about railway

... * normal heroes always go around * (Aibolit 66)

[Zomanus]

And why not take it to China by rail?
It is clear that the sea route is cheaper, but it is such a long way ...

[voyaka uh]

Cheaper by rail. Why is China Silk Road-2 intensively promoting?
To reduce the cost of delivery of Chinese goods to Europe.

[Kathernik]

Quote: Polite Moose

Quote: Black

Too late to reason. This question has already been resolved.

Quote: Black

Better let them spend energy and money on copying than on creating a new one ...

I fully support your opinion. I will only add that the export version of the S-400 is sold exclusively. How it differs from non-export, you can ask at any synagogue. And, notice that as soon as news comes to VO about the sale of our modern weapons over the hill, the Yaroslavna’s cry begins that Putin’s sold Russia, that there are no more polymers, that everything will turn against us, about Chinese copier, etc. .P. I want to note that our arms and military trade is controlled by the military-technical cooperation commission, which they rule. officials:

COMPOSITION of the Board of the Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation of the Russian Federation with Foreign States
1. Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation for military-technical cooperation (chairman of the board)
2. The head of the staff of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation - the deputy head of the apparatus of the Government of the Russian Federation (deputy chairman of the board)
3. Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (board secretary)
4. Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation
5. Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
6. Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation
7. Deputy Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation
8. Deputy Director (Head of Service) of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation
9. Deputy Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation
10. Deputy Head of the Foreign Policy Directorate of the President of the Russian Federation
11. Deputy Head of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
12. General Director of the State Corporation for the Promotion of the Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products "Rostec"
13. General Director of Rosoboronexport

If someone believes that these posts are completely de-bills and non-minds, not seeing anything but 30 pieces of silver, then we can only put out the light and drain the water.

That's exactly what everyone thinks!

[16112014nk]

And through Nakhodka or Vladivostok it will not be closer to China? Something logistics - in my opinion - was not finalized.

[16112014nk]

Quote: Katernik

Quote: Polite Moose

Quote: Black

Too late to reason. This question has already been resolved

If someone believes that these posts are completely de-bills and non-minds, not seeing anything but 30 pieces of silver, then we can only put out the light and drain the water.

That's exactly what everyone thinks!

That's right. They carefully put out the light and merge everything that is possible and impossible - for 30 pieces of silver.

[Old26]

Quote: Black

Better let them spend energy and money on copying than on creating a new one ...

And they usually go in parallel. Look at the previous clone of our S-300. It is pleased with the modifications HQ-9 (9A-9C), HQ-19, HQ-26, HQ-29. As well as versions (modifications) of the Russian versions of S-3020P / PMU1 / PMU2 (HQ-15, HQ-18).
So to hope that they will only copy is stupid. They will make copies and their modifications. Worse than ours, but quite massively and most importantly cheap

[TsUS-Air Force]

do not understand. did they want to send modern combat complexes by sea around the world? despite the dampness of the sea voyage, a bunch of enemy ships around and in spite of the sea pirates?

[atesterev]

Super cargo on Nok Rhea!

[Chichikov]

White fox ... Maybe China is no longer bordering Russia and moved to Africa or America?
We tell everyone about the "great way from Asia to Europe" via the Transib and the Northern Sea Route, and we drive ships through the English Channel.

[faterdom]

Way to China via the English Channel! Well, at least not through the Drake Channel. Here's what needs to be changed - and wide, inexpensive high-speed ground tracks are needed not only by China, but also by us.
And the horse hasn’t rolled yet ...

[BAI]

Here's the first thought, why not railway? In the comments, the same question. It seems to me - Russian Railways is afraid of American sanctions, because it refused the Ural cars.
True, what to do with such railway in the event of war is unclear.