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IMF dissatisfied with pension reform in Ukraine. Credit Kiev not to wait? ..

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The International Monetary Fund criticized the pension reform carried out in Ukraine. The head of the IMF communications department, Jerry Rice, during a briefing in Washington, said that the new law on pensions in Ukraine has many flaws. In particular, Rice noted that the reform did not ensure the sustainability and fairness of the pension system, people are not motivated to make pension contributions and “work as long as possible”.


The analysis of the pension reform in Ukraine in the IMF conducted since November. As can be seen, the conclusions for the Ukrainian authorities, who intended to await new loans from the International Monetary Fund, by adopting reform half measures, are disappointing.

IMF dissatisfied with pension reform in Ukraine. Credit Kiev not to wait? ..


The IMF, as reported UNIANIt was noted that in order for Ukraine to receive the fifth credit tranche, it is necessary to ensure compliance of the “pension reform with the objectives of cooperation”. In addition, the IMF "strongly recommended" to increase gas prices in accordance with the so-called "import parity". According to the latest data, Ukraine will raise gas prices for the population by about 8,3% already in the first quarter of this year.

Pension changes in Ukraine began in October 2017. The state decided to tighten the requirements for the minimum insurance retirement experience. In fact, we are talking about a veiled increase in the retirement age.
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  1. Dimontius
    Dimontius 18 January 2018 19: 36
    +7
    Shaw, not all pensioners have died?
    1. The black
      The black 18 January 2018 19: 38
      14
      We also wanted lace panties in the EU, in fact they remove the latter. laughing Well, nothing, brothers, do not be afraid, people's president Poroshenko will not betray his people for IMF money wassat
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 18 January 2018 19: 46
        +6
        The black
        They also wanted lace panties in the EU, in fact they remove the latter. laughing Well, nothing, brothers, do not be afraid, President Poroshenko will not betray his people for IMF money
        There is horror. And hopelessness. And they are waiting for liberation from the East. And help is all on the way.
        1. The black
          The black 18 January 2018 19: 48
          +6
          Quote: Observer2014
          There is horror. And hopelessness. And they are waiting for liberation from the East. And help is all on the way.

          Well, as they say "For sho galloped ..." request
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 18 January 2018 20: 07
            +7
            The black
            Well, as they say "For sho galloped ..."
            I’m talking about people who didn’t ride. I’m talking about those who hoped to go to the referendum. They didn’t go all. I agree. Whoever couldn’t go was carried. The 2014 referendum. Which Putin asked to cancel. They betrayed the people. The Kremlin betrayed. hi
            1. PN
              PN 18 January 2018 20: 21
              +5
              And what questions were at the referendum?
              There seems to have been a question of state independence of the DPR and LPR. What does the Kremlin have to do with it?
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 18 January 2018 20: 27
                +3
                And what do you care? So there were questions about life. The most important thing is that “See what happened to Crimea” and “The special character of Crimeans” was relevant. hi
                1. PN
                  PN 18 January 2018 20: 33
                  +6
                  Crimeans initially voted for accession to the Russian Federation, and the DNI and LC for independence. These are different things.
                  And here is what Lavrov said that the Russian Federation for the integrity of Ukraine (with the exception of Crimea) is another question, either tired or a “cunning” plan ...
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 18 January 2018 20: 37
                    +3
                    PN soldier
                    Crimeans initially voted for accession to the Russian Federation, and the DNI and LC for independence. These are different things.
                    Agree
                    And here is what Lavrov said that the Russian Federation for the integrity of Ukraine (with the exception of Crimea) is another question, either tired or a “cunning” plan ...
                    So Lavrov controls Russia and its policies. So to great Armenia in Russia is not far
                    1. Going
                      Going 18 January 2018 20: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: Black
                      We also wanted lace panties in the EU, in fact they remove the latter. laughing Well, nothing, brothers, do not be afraid, people's president Poroshenko will not betray his people for IMF money wassat


                      And how many surprises are yet to come.
                  2. vasya.pupkin
                    vasya.pupkin 19 January 2018 10: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: PN
                    Crimeans initially voted for accession to the Russian Federation, and the DNI and LC for independence. These are different things.
                    And here is what Lavrov said that the Russian Federation for the integrity of Ukraine (with the exception of Crimea) is another question, either tired or a “cunning” plan ...

                    You are Monsieur BREHUN and do not know modern history. Crimea first disconnected and then only asked in the Russian Federation. It was about the same in the Donbass at first: the referendum / from which V.V.P. himself discouraged / passed for separation, but it was immediately announced that soon there would be another for joining the Russian Federation, but the order from the Kremlin was quietly forgotten.
                    What for? V.V.P. got a strawberry in the form of the Crimea, and so that everyone forgot about the Crimea, Strelkov’s raid on Slavyansk was organized. Well, about the fact that he was later “thrown” - about this, “God” tries not to remember.
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 42
              10
              Quote: Observer2014
              .Kreml betrayed.

              so betrayed that the fourth year helps with weapons, volunteers, humanitarian aid. what else does?
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 18 January 2018 22: 13
                +5
                Quote: LSA57
                . what else does?

                Sergey, hi , well, obviously, all at once. But this does not happen.
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 18 January 2018 23: 51
                  +2
                  sabakina Slavik hi The time has come to stand morally and physically dead. There is nowhere to retreat further. People went to Calvary. In 2014, Or -or. There is no third person with an outfit. All that’s enough am hi
            3. private person
              private person 18 January 2018 22: 14
              +4
              Whom did the Kremlin betray? It was necessary to scream in the 90s and now don’t tell LDNR this is Hohland and there is nothing to be done about it and it cannot be part of Russia.
              1. onix757
                onix757 18 January 2018 22: 19
                0
                Not to be because, in the opinion of the Kremlin "patriots," they resisted poorly and in general they are parasites. Well, a very insignificant reason, the fabirge of the Russian authorities in the doorway performed by the West.
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 18 January 2018 22: 52
                  +8
                  in general they are parasites.


                  Imagine how you start to howl, having learned how much you need to cut off from Russian pensions in order to balance. Well, after Ukraine joins with Kiev. Donbass. Odessa.

                  they have a pension in the region of 3000-4000 rubles. we have 12. So count. All social is added to ours. The able-bodied population has already left in large numbers. There are still those to whom you will have to pay money. And do not get the proper return in return. This lies on the shoulders of the Russian Federation. On a budget. For all

                  They will need to rebuild not only the Donbass. They are already waiting for you in Kiev, so that you (figuratively) build a bridge for them.

                  Well, plus remove the FSB and other structures from the Caucasus and drive them to ruin. Mykola there with a gun waiting for you, burning Russian flags. And there are no fewer such Mykol than ghouls in the Caucasus.

                  Or do you think that if the bulk of the population did not like everything, it would last 4 years? And on the Independence Square, all segments of the population wouldn’t make cocktails and watch them kill guys from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and conscripts?

                  Look at a couple of steps forward after a victorious march to Kiev. You are the first to howl about your financial situation.

                  And those who are now howling about inequality will follow the pitchfork.

                  Ukrainians.

                  We must listen to what Putin is saying. Ukrainian. He made it clear to you that this is not the time for a referendum on accession.
                  1. onix757
                    onix757 18 January 2018 23: 56
                    +3
                    What pension is the FSB from the Caucasus? What are you talking about? It is about rebuilding the country within its historical borders, its industrial / scientific potential, and the fate of the brotherly people.
                    If for 25 years the Russian Federation has not been able to build an attractive economy for neighbors and formulate common values, then this is not a problem for Ukraine. And yet, the whole country is "howling" from the authorities, which are not that the population of Donbass, their people are a burden. But in our country 1% of privileged citizens own the country's resources. Attainment.
                    1. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 19 January 2018 00: 08
                      +2
                      What pension is the FSB from the Caucasus? What are you talking about ..


                      Well then make the nickname "Fantazer" instead of Onyx757 (probably a call sign?)

                      Turn on your head. Ghouls raged there after the war and for many years. And they did not uproot them. And in the same way they will derail the trains, attack the security forces and rob. Office is not rubber. If someone goes to Ukraine on a business trip, it means that someone did not go to the Caucasus.

                      Instead, will you keep the Caucasus? At the checkpoint. While the FSB and the WG will go to uproot the Independent Ukraine. There is plenty of work there.

                      Or will we recruit security officials? Hang on a budget. Which already bursts about what the rest of your post

                      Well, this is one of many reasons (the power side of the issue). You just have to think and think about the consequences.

                      But if you fantasize, then why not. When the Kremlin understands that it will pull, everything will be sure.

                      On the nose and so the war. Re-equipment and time are our everything. For 15 years they have not done anything in terms of updating the army. And you are ready to receive a machine gun and a helmet of 57 year of manufacture from the warehouse
                      1. St Petrov
                        St Petrov 19 January 2018 00: 18
                        +1
                        You have an option to vote for Zhirinovsky. Immediately mobilize the whole country laughing

                        But I would not want Russia to build less, because some plant decided to build in Ukraine, when they decide to rebuild it and make all sorts of preferential conditions for entrepreneurs, cheap electricity and low taxes in certain areas.

                        I spend 88 hours a month on the road to work. Better to build a plant better. And the more money the government has and the less workload, the more conditions there are for entrepreneurs, and not the next tax increase.

                        And if Ukraine is annexed, life will become harder for everyone. and gratitude is not a fact that you hear
                      2. onix757
                        onix757 19 January 2018 00: 31
                        0
                        All these horror stories are from weakness. 1. In the Caucasus, the secular laws of the state must be respected 2. The state is obliged to ensure compliance with the laws. 3 If the government is not able to force everyone to be equal before the law, then this is not power but its imitation replaced by dough. 4 No one would have to tear now if the guarantor had not been scared at 14. It was only necessary to help the legitimate return to power. Then it was easy.
                        As for the budget, you just need to stop taking money offshore, buy American debts and the budget will increase significantly.
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              2. vasya.pupkin
                vasya.pupkin 19 January 2018 10: 48
                +2
                Quote: private person
                Whom did the Kremlin betray? It was necessary to scream in the 90s and now don’t tell LDNR this is Hohland and there is nothing to be done about it and it cannot be part of Russia.

                Yes, the fifth column settled thoroughly in the Russian Federation, especially metastases spread in the "couch troops".
                1. private person
                  private person 19 January 2018 10: 55
                  0
                  Yeah, the tenth column, wake up, at a time not Khokhlov introduce a visa regime and Russia to close the border to cook there in their own juice, these descendants of ancient ukrov. DOWNLOAD MORE.
                  1. vasya.pupkin
                    vasya.pupkin 19 January 2018 11: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: private person
                    Yeah, the tenth column, wake up, at a time not Khokhlov introduce a visa regime and Russia to close the border to cook there in their own juice, these descendants of ancient ukrov. DOWNLOAD MORE.

                    Come couch fighter in the Donbass and loudly with the people shout your slogan.
                    I'll see how many parts they will return you to the “sofa”.
                    1. private person
                      private person 19 January 2018 12: 04
                      0
                      They were waiting straight for Donbas. I live in Russia and I do not need Ukraine, and as I wrote earlier, LDNR will never be part of Russia.
                      1. vasya.pupkin
                        vasya.pupkin 19 January 2018 12: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: private person
                        They were waiting straight for Donbas. I live in Russia and I do not need Ukraine, and as I wrote earlier, LDNR will never be part of Russia.

                        So the diagnosis is true, FIFTH COLUMN.
            4. St Petrov
              St Petrov 18 January 2018 22: 42
              +7
              .People were betrayed. The Kremlin was betrayed.


              I recognize you as a Ukrainian love we are to blame here in the Russian Federation. soon I will begin to repent for those columns of men who went to the territory of the Russian Federation and Ukraine during the conflict. I will repent for the grannies who handed over bricks and cocktails under the tacit consent of 30 million. You. Ukrainians.

              Putin is also to blame. And aloharchs

              keep a white coat. Ukrainian. And I will go to continuing education courses for Akhidzhakova. She will teach us all to repent
          2. vovanpain
            vovanpain 18 January 2018 20: 18
            13
            Quote: Black
            Well, as they say "For sho galloped ...

            For free.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 45
              10
              Quote: vovanpain
              For free.

              such a nature
          3. Crowe
            Crowe 18 January 2018 23: 03
            +4
            Quote: Black
            Quote: Observer2014
            There is horror. And hopelessness. And they are waiting for liberation from the East. And help is all on the way.

            Well, as they say "For sho galloped ..." request

            They bumped into that.
            What? Wanted Western values ​​And Western life - get and sign! But not all at once, but a little bit. First, European prices, European taxes and dictates from the West. Well, if they survive, which is unlikely, then you can think about the rest. But just think!
            I repeat once again - Ukraine itself made its choice, the people of Ukraine. And do not say that they did not vote. Silence is also a sign of agreement - an exclamation point!
        2. 210ox
          210ox 18 January 2018 20: 10
          +1
          Help? It was supposed to be in 2014 ... It was partially done, but as always ... A step forward, two steps back .. And yet ... Why should they help? We ourselves have a pension ... In a couple of years We’ll feel worse for ourselves ...
          Quote: Observer2014
          The black
          They also wanted lace panties in the EU, in fact they remove the latter. laughing Well, nothing, brothers, do not be afraid, President Poroshenko will not betray his people for IMF money
          There is horror. And hopelessness. And they are waiting for liberation from the East. And help is all on the way.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 18 January 2018 21: 42
        +3
        Quote: Black
        Wanted lace panties in the EU, in fact, remove the last

        so why laugh? Russia is heading for the same, there are already the first facts of refusals to pay old-age pensions, the pensioner experience has been increased, and after the election, age will also increase. We laugh further.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 18 January 2018 23: 13
          +3
          so why laugh? Russia is heading for the same, there are already the first facts of refusals to pay old-age pensions, the pensioner experience has been increased, and after the election, age will also increase. We laugh further.


          There is a circus actor on the site who takes pride in not paying taxes. Well, he doesn't laugh either. Everything is bad with him. Starving daughter. Sitting here writes posts.

          In general, there are objective reasons for these government actions.

          And if you are about to roll to the level of Ukraine - you have to roll for a long time.

          pensions in Ternopil 1560 UAH, Transcarpathian 1597 UAH and Chernivtsi regions 1600 UAH

          Convert to rubles.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 20 January 2018 08: 06
            +1
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            Convert to rubles.

            at the same time, their prices will be converted to rubles, and another fall of the ruble will be reached very quickly. Anyway, I should put some kind of power on your Ukraine, rejoice at the fact that the neighbor’s shelter has died when he himself is sitting on the ruins, as it’s not smart.
      3. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 18 January 2018 23: 50
        +6
        Quote: Black
        We also wanted lace panties in the EU, in fact they remove the latter.

        You're wrong the situation is changing
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 18 January 2018 19: 42
      +2
      Quote: Dimontius
      Shaw, not all pensioners have died?

      There is no Hell that the Ukrainians deserve for their genocide
      1. Going
        Going 18 January 2018 22: 22
        +3
        We will pick up, help and if we provide anything.
    3. Maz
      Maz 18 January 2018 20: 26
      +1
      Wait. The mousetrap has not yet slammed shut, it is necessary to dig a hole deeper. Yesterday, in the queue, the grandmother demanded that the men go out, recognize the machine guns and dispersed all this trash, they already got it .... She brought out her underpants at the end of the speech.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 January 2018 20: 44
      +1
      Quote: Dimontius
      Shaw, not all pensioners have died?

      Nah, their pensions are HUGE, the IMF is demanding a reduction.
    5. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 18 January 2018 22: 28
      +2
      Quote: Dimontius
      Shaw, not all pensioners have died?

      But here we must admit that our home-grown “cubs and curls with other gaiters” have been horrifying our hard workers for almost a year to raise their retirement age. Oddly enough, but this coincided with the IMF requirements for an INDEPENDENT urkain. Probably these guys - “DAM and Kudr” also run their sovereign and independent program, when in unison with Rada they want to raise their retirement age using the formula 63zh / 65m? Probably a circular from the IMF is sent to its colonies simply according to the list, without taking into account their preferences.
    6. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 19 January 2018 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: Dimontius
      Shaw, not all pensioners have died?

      No, Dimon, not all pensioners died, but a lot, for example, pensioners of Donbass, do not receive pensions in dill / and miners' pensions are much higher than those of zapadents /, here you have a huge savings. And Donbass residents do not receive pensions for very many reasons : there is no health to stand in queues for 3-5 hours at checkpoints; it is not possible to apply for the status of a temporary migrant there / and without it the pension fund does not pay pensions /; they cannot go to enemies, because the son is fighting in the militia / the SBU does not sleep and many old people simply go missing there because of the refusal to work with the SBU /; Many of our pensioners, having paid the mafia / which works on both sides / to whom the war is, and to someone’s mother /, 6 -10 thousand rubles / with a pension of 2-6 thousand /, having received a pension 2-3 times, they suddenly stop receiving it / SBU checked, but you do not live there.
      So that the scanty part of the Donbass retirees gets their hard-earned money with such difficulties that your "couch" never dreamed of!
  2. The black
    The black 18 January 2018 19: 36
    +4
    Well, now it is time to bend Ukraine for every opportunity. Now the president of Ukraine is the IMF. Well, the IMF can understand if they are interested in Ukraine returning money to them, therefore, they will raise tariffs and will increase everything and will sell land for sale, etc. Because Ukraine doesn’t care about them. FIG. smile
    1. Going
      Going 18 January 2018 22: 24
      +4
      Eh, I wanted to swear, then laugh, but it seems everyone will cry, and this is not sweet for us.
  3. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 18 January 2018 19: 38
    +3
    Is there anything you can do about pension reform in Greece? Or in Tajikistan, as a last resort?
    1. The black
      The black 18 January 2018 19: 43
      +5
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Is there anything about pension reform in Greece? Or in Tajikistan, as a last resort

      And you sho, Greek, or Tajik? Why are you interested? wink
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 08
      +4
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Or in Tajikistan, as a last resort?

      and what is central Asia related to Europe? belay
    3. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 18 January 2018 20: 14
      +4
      Yes, I also wonder if there are pension reforms in Greece? Should everything be there?
      1. Smog
        Smog 18 January 2018 21: 09
        +3
        Quote: LSA57
        What is Central Asia related to Europe?

        And everything has to do with Ukraine. And Central Asia and Greece. Yet they look at the most “oldest” nation on the globe. From them the Greeks and Tajiks arose., Well, and all other people. laughing Here is a comrade and is interested in whether the Greeks and Tajiks will go along the path of the most “most ancient” nation or they will take a little time .. They are the pioneers, kilos of dust under their tongue. lol
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 18 January 2018 19: 39
    +6
    Pichalka ... crying
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 18 January 2018 19: 43
      +2
      Liver! !! Sideways they go to the Maidan Liver, and gulls with jumping! fool PS MARINA love -Good evening love ! hi
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 18 January 2018 19: 54
        +4
        Vitalievich, good evening! crying
        love
    2. The black
      The black 18 January 2018 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Pichalka ... crying

      That do not worry you so much for them. They are right at the village house. there is a toilet on the street and water in the well. firewood in the forest. only you have to pay for the light laughing laughing
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 18 January 2018 19: 58
        +7
        Quote: Black
        there is a toilet on the street and water in the well. firewood in the forest

        Well, again the trouble ... comforts and those in the yard, how do they live sickly, then on? Like Europe? recourse
        1. KAV
          KAV 18 January 2018 22: 59
          +2
          How-how ... As before, in Europe, the counts and barons went as needed? In their castles, they put off the exterminated "needs" of the body behind the curtains. The palaces were large. Many floors, even more rooms ... So, throughout the year, the owners of the castle piled in one room, then in another. Then they moved to the second family possession, and ... they were already there, during the same year, relatively speaking, while the servants cleared the first family possession. Well ... what can I say? What can you comment on? I do not even know...
          One thing can be said: a very rational approach to the process!
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 10
        +3
        Quote: Black
        only you have to pay for the light

        light a spark laughing
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 18 January 2018 20: 22
          +7
          Quote: LSA57
          light a spark

          And no gas needed! Non-volatility! lol
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: Masya Masya
            Quote: LSA57
            light a spark

            And no gas needed! Non-volatility! lol

            gas from behind puddles they will bring striped brothers laughing
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 18 January 2018 22: 50
          0
          They do not turn off the light. Zomboyaschik will not be able to work.
    3. avt
      avt 18 January 2018 19: 56
      +5
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Pichalka ...

      Expected. I have repeatedly said it over and over again - when the gesheft ends and the Ruin is brought under decommissioning, the first bell will be to stop lending. All according to Morgenthau’s new bar - Great agricultural country with 10 million swineherds. Andrey Vajra is right - the new owners who remain on the reservation will brand the Ukrainian mob. So God forbid, where they didn’t jump off to work. Well, actually, how did the housekeepers want ?? That LDNR blood fought off this perspective.
    4. Iaaa
      Iaaa 18 January 2018 19: 56
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Pichalka.

    5. LSA57
      LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 09
      +3
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Pichalka ...

      help the wretched, throw them a penny laughing
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 18 January 2018 20: 12
        +7
        Quote: LSA57
        throw them a penny

        Yes, what a pittance, they need a dose yes and the dose is denied, oh trouble, trouble chagrin ... crying
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 18 January 2018 20: 20
          +2
          Quote: Masya Masya
          Yes, what a pittance, they need a dose

          ahv, and then treat than laughing
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 18 January 2018 20: 31
            +5
            Quote: LSA57
            then treat

            I’m actually a kind person, but purely out of humanism ... so as not to suffer, shoot nafig! Or put to sleep, one of two ... the third is not given ...
        2. Iaaa
          Iaaa 18 January 2018 20: 23
          +2
          Quote: Masya Masya
          dose they need

          vaccination ...... from rabies
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 18 January 2018 19: 40
    +2
    Ready to endure everything from the owners for handouts! The economy exists, only what works for the army, the rest is in ruins! fool And to ambition, as if the existence of the universe depends on ukroiny! fool
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 18 January 2018 20: 03
      +7
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Ready to endure everything from the owners for handouts!

      And I thought masochists, they get pleasure when their e ... God forgive me repeat
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 18 January 2018 20: 18
        +2
        Marina hi love -There are all sorts of abundant what
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 18 January 2018 19: 53
    0
    Apparently, the existing pension system does not allow to plunder it sufficiently effectively.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 19 January 2018 01: 02
      0
      Quote: Dormidont
      steal it efficiently enough

      There is nothing to steal there, it is only a lever of influence, Ukrainians are already poorer than the Papuans:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_b
      y_GDP_ (nominal) _per_capita
      and unlike the Papuans, Ukrainians need food and heating besides grub.
  7. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 18 January 2018 19: 55
    +3
    Well, it’s the same with us. To the "guesthouse", few will survive. I personally, at the age of forty-two years, now working in production, am well aware of this (therefore, I don’t even worry much). My neighbor, Vasily, was very steamed, so what? Carried away "to the hill" comrade. Now Vasil lies, and to him, all these pensions and social benefits are a shit. He did not reach the damned before her. And now we have not even determined the degree of harmfulness of production for half a year or so. Those. all his life it was considered harmful (a hot net was used), and now it suddenly became not clear whether it was harmful or not ... What if it turns out to be good for health?! ..
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 18 January 2018 20: 21
      +1
      Three months were not enough for my relative, to retire on a "hot grid"! He worked as a thermist, but almost everyone was cut!
  8. Simon
    Simon 18 January 2018 19: 58
    +1
    In short, everything is being done to plunder everything again, and pensioners did not receive anything request
  9. Simon
    Simon 18 January 2018 20: 02
    +1
    Quote: Black
    Quote: Masya Masya
    Pichalka ... crying

    That do not worry you so much for them. They are right at the village house. there is a toilet on the street and water in the well. firewood in the forest. only you have to pay for the light laughing laughing

    So, the Ukrainian administration will impose taxes on the village house, on the toilet on the street, and on the water in the well. It remains only to this, to the rest has already put everything. laughing
  10. Simon
    Simon 18 January 2018 20: 06
    +2
    Quote: Dimontius
    Shaw, not all pensioners have died?

    You can’t die - it will now be very expensive in Ukraine. laughing
  11. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 18 January 2018 20: 11
    +1
    Let's be straightforward - the question of raising the retirement age for us without any bending by the IMF is raised regularly. That we are all about Ukraine.
    I’m not thinking about myself, but about my spouse, who can suddenly break off.
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan 18 January 2018 20: 16
    +1
    Even carrots are categorically reduced in size .... sad
  13. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 18 January 2018 20: 26
    0
    This cannot be avoided either, there are more and more pensioners, and those who work and pay taxes are no longer, either raising taxes or the retirement age, or pensions will hardly be enough for food and utilities ...
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 18 January 2018 20: 54
      0
      Therefore, they will increase their retirement age and will not forget about taxes, and about all taxes ..
    2. andr327
      andr327 18 January 2018 21: 35
      +1
      Retirement age will increase, and jobs? Taxes are paid by a working person. not a manager, nor a deputy, nor an official. Increase the jobs that produce goods. materials, reduce parasites in administrations, banks, funds, insurers, checking supervising observers and you will be happy.
  14. LeonidL
    LeonidL 18 January 2018 20: 43
    0
    IMF is dissatisfied !!!! ... Retired people still survive! Nightmare! Poproshenko may be without a handout.
  15. onix757
    onix757 18 January 2018 20: 47
    +1
    The economic policies of Putin and Poroshenko practically coincide. The only difference is that one has oil and the other has a trump :-)
  16. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 January 2018 20: 53
    0
    In our country, and without the participation of the IMF, such a "reform" is being pushed by a "silent glander" ((
    For the last, incomplete 30 years, the fourth in my opinion .. Or the third ... Only, something does not get better.
  17. NF68
    NF68 18 January 2018 21: 08
    0
    The EU and the USA will rightly make and get rich Ukraine from head to toe. It is only necessary "not much" to wait.
  18. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 18 January 2018 21: 39
    +6
    The Western democratizers at one time correctly calculated the most "painful" place of the Ukrainian people - the desire for a freebie. The second weak point is "my hut is on the edge, you need to - you fight and I'll watch from the window." The south-west had every chance to avoid being dumped, only the whole Southeast had to rise to a mass protest, especially when Donetsk and Lugansk caught fire. But no, most of them didn’t want to rebel for sho, and suddenly the freebie will work - it worked - a lot of crap, and at the same time I’m free. Russia as much as possible supports the DPR and LPR, but they do not even have the will to unite. I listen to my friends who are from Ukraine. When it all began, their relatives expressed with hatred that Russia had stood in the way of their happy future, that all history had been fed only by Ukraine. Now there is a period of apathy - a freebie did not happen. Guess who is to blame. Of course Russia. Some yell that Russia continues to sabotage the movement of the Ukrainian people to freebie, occupied Donbass. Others whine that Russia did not come, did not save, like Crimea, although it owes a coffin to life. Listen to residents in the Donbass. They all hate the Ukrainian government and want accession to Russia? Not! They have apathy - they say that they are tired of everything, if only it would end - do not care how. As a herd of sheep, one is slaughtered, and the rest are either indifferent, or glad that it’s not them, without even thinking that their turn will come. This is probably why Putin spoke out that the West masterfully crushed Ukraine for himself. It is very unfortunate that people who are sincerely and without stupid hatred of Russia are ready to fight the fascist Ukrainian regime, but live in an apathetic swamp. The situation is deadlock and continues to deteriorate for most Ukrainians, and it will be very difficult to resolve it.
  19. Lexus
    Lexus 18 January 2018 23: 37
    0
    Ordinary people feel sorry. A lot of them. Those who did not ride, those who survive in the world of "idiots". They will respond, support if we come to the rescue. If Russia is GREAT, you need to be GREAT always and in everything. We need to remember that WE ARE WINNERS! And the winners are not judged and are afraid = RESPECT.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 January 2018 00: 13
    +1
    Now Ukraine will begin to put in place.
    And then she imagines herself equal to Europe, a slave offspring.
    Apparently the level of debt has reached the limit
    when the IMF can directly demand
    indicating exactly what she needed.
  21. private person
    private person 19 January 2018 07: 17
    +1
    Quote: onix757
    If for 25 years the Russian Federation has not been able to build an attractive economy for neighbors and formulate common values, then this is not a problem for Ukraine.

    Are you “very smart” (censorship doesn’t miss out on another)? According to your logic, should Russia have adapted to Ukrainians? RUSSIA DOES NOT NEED ANYONE !!!!!!
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 19 January 2018 07: 31
      0
      Definitely. The USSR has long been gone, and the Russian Federation still owes to someone from the Union republics ....
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  23. prior
    prior 19 January 2018 09: 09
    +1
    One fact of separation from Russia during the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine betrayed Russia, and Russians, and itself.
    Everything else is logical, it’s a retribution for betrayal, for independence, for deflection under Europe and America.
  24. private person
    private person 19 January 2018 12: 30
    0
    vasya.pupkin,
    Can’t you explain what this fifth column is? You Ukrainians are probably just waiting for Russia to attack you, but you have nothing more to do but count columns.
  25. nikolaev
    nikolaev 19 January 2018 12: 32
    0
    so that Kiev doesn’t do it, they still get loans
  26. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 20 January 2018 14: 38
    0
    As you can see, the conclusions for the Ukrainian authorities, who intended to wait for new loans from the International Monetary Fund, having adopted reformative half measures, are disappointing.

    Yes, Ukraine wanted to spit on the IMF ...
    According to the deputy head of the NBU, if Kiev does not receive the next tranche before July, this will mean the end of the cooperation program with the International Monetary Fund.

    https://news.mail.ru/economics/32292061/?frommail
    =1
    Apparently the IMF will also “forgive” its debt ...