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Aircraft Be-12 will receive a "second life"

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The command of the Navy decided to extend the life of the aircraft Be-12 "Chaika", reported News.




Airplanes can take off and land both on land airfields and on water. In the course of modernization, Chaika will receive a fundamentally new search and targeting system and modern weapons.

According to the newspaper, "tactical-technical assignment and a package of documents necessary for the start of research and development work on the renovation of on-board amphibian equipment are now being formed."

It is planned that on the Be-12 all three complexes for obtaining intelligence information about enemy submarines will be radically updated: sonar, radar and magnetically sensitive. In addition, the arsenal of "flying boats" will replenish with modern anti-submarine torpedoes and depth bombs.

The first flight of the Be-12 performed in 1960 year. The aircraft accelerates over 500 km / h. The onboard supply of fuel allows it to fly more than 4 thousand. Km or patrol for several hours.

According to Oleg Panteleyev, director of the Aviaport agency, a survey of the existing Be-12 fleet showed that these aircraft have a sufficient resource balance both in the glider and in the power plant.

At the same time, the combat effectiveness of the “Seagulls” can be significantly increased by improving both the specific equipment for detecting submarines and other systems. First of all, these are communication systems that allow integrating airplanes into the general control loop of anti-submarine operations,
said Panteleyev.

Naval expert Alexander Mozgovoy noted that the modernization of the aircraft will increase the capabilities of the Navy in part of the anti-submarine defense in coastal areas.

For its time, it was a very successful aircraft, and now with updated equipment it will be able to quite effectively solve the tasks of controlling the coastal areas of the seas. Be-12 will be especially in demand in small areas, for example, in the Black Sea and the Baltic. They were not intended for long patrols over the ocean or work at high seas,
told the expert.

From 1960 to 1973, 143 Be-12s were launched. From 1993 to 1998, almost all Seagulls were written off. The last six vehicles are part of the 318th Aviation Regiment of the Black Sea fleet. About a dozen more aircraft are in storage at the Taganrog aircraft factory and Ostrov airport.
Photos used:
RIA Novosti / Alexey Danichev
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  1. assa67
    assa67 18 January 2018 13: 26 New
    10
    not bad news .... "Seagulls" carried up to 16 depth charges ....
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 18 January 2018 16: 41 New
      +7
      For the Black Sea, what is needed.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 18 January 2018 17: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Geisenberg
        For the Black Sea, what is needed.

        ... well, also for the Baltic ... hi
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 18 January 2018 17: 11 New
        +4
        The news is good without a doubt, but I want to see new cars, it's time
        1. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 12 September 2018 21: 38 New
          -2
          When old men from the 1960s are brought up for service, the news is more depressing ... Even the very old one and everything is no longer of the same level - either they squandered money on footballs, or they took too much for the cordon, since they came to such decisions. The news is essentially bad, not plugging holes with an old ramshackle, but a new and more perfect one should come to the service. Why is a rich country with a budget surplus and a positive trade balance so poor ....
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 18 January 2018 20: 31 New
      +2
      Attention a question ... and what for? 16 aircraft. Yes, there is a resource, but damn them for almost 50 years ... yes damn it is better to turn the Be-200 into an anti-submarine one. The plane is ready. It remains only to supply equipment and equipment. Although I think everything is ready for this. And then the old man first resurrect and then upgrade ...
      1. potterz
        potterz 19 January 2018 00: 16 New
        0
        Answer! There is not much money in the country now! Moreover, these (most beautiful birds) can serve the motherland for some time! Live saw these aircraft at the open door at our factory! HZ, but for some reason I always liked screw machines more! They have a tunnel, more grace ..... In general, I am proud that our city gave birth to such excellent and legendary aircraft! Although now the condition of the plant leaves much to be desired! :(
      2. Grits
        Grits 19 January 2018 06: 30 New
        +1
        There is such an A-40 Albatross (Be-42). But, very, bastard, dear in comparison with the "Seagull". Why not serve the old people yet? Would it be better if they were sent for scrapping?
        1. Beby
          Beby 19 January 2018 18: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          There is such an A-40 Albatross (Be-42). But, very, bastard, dear in comparison with the "Seagull".

          Yes, the question is not in the price of production of A-40 / A-42 ... They (A-40 / A-42) are simply not there. Not at all. And it is not possible to restart production without redesigning all the electronics and a number of other components and assemblies.
  2. Baloo
    Baloo 18 January 2018 13: 31 New
    +7
    I saw a seagull at an air show in Gelendzhik along with other birds, a very impressive airplane. He experienced a slight sense of pride in the country.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 18 January 2018 13: 32 New
      13
      Nice car
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 18 January 2018 13: 40 New
      +7
      With wheels, the Be-12 looks more solid.
      1. assa67
        assa67 18 January 2018 14: 04 New
        11
        Oleg hi ... she is just beautiful .... and the resource is not exhausted ..
        1. insular
          insular 19 January 2018 01: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: assa67
          ... she is just beautiful ...

          And outwardly corresponds to the name "Seagull"
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 18 January 2018 13: 32 New
    12
    Modernization is justified - on the Black Sea under the cover of C400 "gulls" are quite effective
  4. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 January 2018 13: 36 New
    30
    Translating from official into Russian: there will be no new PLO aircraft to replace the Be-12 in the near future. sad
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 18 January 2018 13: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Translating from official into Russian: there will be no new PLO aircraft to replace the Be-12 in the near future. sad

      Why change a solid, tested product to a new one?
      The military must formulate the terms of reference.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 18 January 2018 14: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: Balu
        Why change a solid, tested product to a new one?

        Then, that this product was released at least 45 years ago (and there are older machines in the ranks and in storage). And it was operated in the "sea-land". And due to its design features, it carries less payload than traditional land-based aircraft.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 18 January 2018 17: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Then, that the product is released at least 45 years ago

          ... and what ... follows from that ?! ... B-52, Tu95-MS, all the more so it is said openly, it must be read correctly:
          Be-12s will be especially demanded in small water areas, for example, in the Black Sea and Baltic. They were not intended for long patrols over the ocean or work with strong sea waves,
          .
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 18 January 2018 18: 39 New
            +5
            Quote: Inok10
            ... and what ... follows from that ?! ... B-52, Tu95-MS

            Ahem ... Tu-95MS was launched into the series 8 years after the discontinuation of the Be-12.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 18 January 2018 19: 14 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Ahem ... Tu-95MS was launched into the series 8 years after the discontinuation of the Be-12.

              Tu-95 - the beginning of operation - April 1956
              Be-12 - the beginning of operation - November 1965
              B-52 - beginning of operation - February 1955
              IL-38 start of operation - January 1969
              ... so what about 8 years there? ... tongue
              1. AlNikolaich
                AlNikolaich 19 January 2018 09: 17 New
                +1
                Well, the TU-95 MS has been available since 1979 of the year! That is the modification that is being operated now. Perhaps his ancestor, TU-142 may be older ...
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 19 January 2018 10: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: Inok10
                Tu-95 - the beginning of operation - April 1956
                Be-12 - the beginning of operation - November 1965

                Ahem ... Do you start operating the ancestor of the family and distinguish the service life of specific modifications? wink
                The only Tu-95 missiles are now the Tu-95MS. Which launched in a series in 1981. Earlier modifications are discarded. Unlike the Be-12.

                So it can be said that the T-2010A, released in 90, is now not 7, but 26 years old. smile
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 20 January 2018 19: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Ahem ... Do you start operating the ancestor of the family and distinguish the service life of specific modifications?

                  ... deliberately "pulled" you into this, you really wanted to "push" into the age of the aircraft ... age does not matter, it matters - RESOURCE! ... IL-18/20/22 to help ... according to this, the Be-12 will still serve in a modernized version ... You have beguiled age and resource ... hi
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 18 January 2018 14: 05 New
      +4
      This is amazing. It seems that anti-submarine defense does not rely on hydroaviation.
      assa67 Today, 13:26 PM New
      not bad news .... "Seagulls" carried up to 16 depth charges ....

      And how many of them would take on board for example the BE-200?
      The Ministry of Defense, they say they refused. But at the same time resuscitating planes of 50 years of age. Wonders!
      My father flew a "flying boat" radio operator in the Northern Fleet in the 60s.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 18 January 2018 14: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: x.andvlad
        The Ministry of Defense, they say they refused. But at the same time resuscitating planes of 50 years of age. Wonders!

        Saving. smile
        Be-200, taking into account the new hydroaerodromes, went gold for the Moscow Region. And taking into account the repeated breakdowns in the availability of Taganrog machines - platinum. And with the Be-12, the Ministry of Defense hopes to podcast ready-made combat machines and sides from storage - and continue their operation.
      2. KCA
        KCA 18 January 2018 14: 47 New
        +3
        I doubt that the hefty BE-200 turbojet boat would be a suitable platform for patrolling, an anti-submarine strike aircraft could still be, but not a patrol one. took off, half an hour flight and to a gas station?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 18 January 2018 17: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          took off, half an hour flight and to a gas station

          Well, it’s you who started. He can be in the air for 7 hours.
          1. In100gram
            In100gram 18 January 2018 20: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: KCA
            took off, half an hour flight and to a gas station

            Well, it’s you who started. He can be in the air for 7 hours.

            Probably the matter of flight speeds for a patrol plane
      3. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 18 January 2018 14: 51 New
        +4
        There are simple concepts: production capacity and budget. The Taganrog Plant still can’t handle the contracts with the Ministry of Emergency Situations, not to mention the simultaneous supply of 20-30 new aircraft for the Navy .. .. And the Moscow Region’s budget is not rubber, how many new equipment are purchased every year, including the aviation ones. .. they’ll save on something for now.
        BE-12 is a beautiful car, but the residual life in it is still for several years, so for now these will fly, and there they will buy something new.
      4. potterz
        potterz 19 January 2018 00: 20 New
        0
        Yes, our factory can not cope with orders! We can’t cut the contract for the Ministry of Emergencies .....
        1. faiver
          faiver 19 January 2018 14: 47 New
          0
          why can't?
    3. sivuch
      sivuch 18 January 2018 17: 14 New
      +2
      Based on the 112th.
  5. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 January 2018 13: 38 New
    +3
    Once in Baltiysk, on the Spit, they were based .. The airfield, with hangars, still came from the Germans.
    They killed, broke, plundered everything ((even the runway to the slabs, dismantled. ((
    Aircraft - on color.met ...
    1. Grits
      Grits 19 January 2018 06: 35 New
      0
      In Primorye, under the Big Stone, there was also an airfield for these birds. And also - in the trash ...
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 18 January 2018 13: 49 New
    +5
    And when the turn comes to Po2, especially since a barn, plywood and fabric are needed for repairs! wassat They have arrived, instead of a new one they are already glad about the machine of the past generation, they are not able to fight effectively now!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 18 January 2018 14: 00 New
      +1
      In our museum of local lore stood Po-2.
      Perhaps the time has not come for a new one.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 18 January 2018 16: 02 New
        0
        By the way, the Be-12 is in the Museum of the World Ocean in Kaliningrad.
  7. san4es
    san4es 18 January 2018 13: 58 New
    +4
    It is planned that on Be-12 all three systems for obtaining intelligence information about enemy submarines will be radically updated: sonar, radar and magnetosensitive.

    History of creation soldier
  8. gukoyan
    gukoyan 18 January 2018 14: 01 New
    0
    Beautiful plane)
    But no offense ... They will not develop anything new?
  9. agfa
    agfa 18 January 2018 14: 21 New
    15
    I flew it in due time and believe in the MUSEUM OF HIM ROAD. No efficiency, no utility. Nothing he will find WOW effect from unusual for the uninitiated. The remaining squadrons lived out their own, cut from regiments. Absolutely unnecessary aircraft for today in the Air Force, BUT .... which allows you to maintain the headquarters of the Air Force fleets, commanders, personnel, as a cropped structure in case of anything, the correct database! Question to readers! Many such aircraft were saved when Komsomolets sank ?! No Depending on the type of wave and the direction of take-off relative to the wave front, an airplane could perform take-off and landing operations with a wind wave height of up to 0,8 m and swell waves of up to 0,3 m. In short, these are calm conditions for sailors. Those. the Be-12 had an exercise on landing and take-off, but the last "prepared" for receiving aircraft after landing on water the airfield was already looted, it was in the village of Mirny Evpatoria Crimea. Now the squadron in Kache, near Sevastopol, is living out its life. You will see the maximum that put this navigation. METALLOM, although at one time it was a good plane. But the truth must be faced.
    1. next322
      next322 18 January 2018 15: 07 New
      +2
      on the quality of their 6 pieces ....... until 2014 were just in poor condition ..... now all repairs have passed
      1. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 18 January 2018 18: 19 New
        0
        Right in the deplorable;))))
    2. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 18 January 2018 17: 58 New
      +3
      Agfa, you read directly thoughts, I wanted to write about the same thing. But even if its effectiveness were higher than that described by you, then start the modernization of ALREADY WHOLE 6 BOARDS !!!!! Yes, there, when drafting a modernization project, the dough is stolen so much and so much time passes that you can create anti-submarine il112, and these old men really have to go to the landfill.
      1. kamski
        kamski 18 January 2018 19: 19 New
        +1
        it will be so. Nothing new, but they’ll be healthy with a cry “NO ANALOGUES”. And where did the new come from when Science was destroyed, but there is no production like that?
      2. Sergei1982
        Sergei1982 19 January 2018 13: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        that it’s possible to create anti-submarine il112, but it’s time for these old men to landfill

        Probably wanted to say IL-114MP
        Rumor has it that the IL-114MP is approved, with a new composite glider they promise up to 14 hours of patrol.
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 19 January 2018 18: 28 New
          +3
          Hi Seryog, let 114 be. the meaning is the same
    3. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 18 January 2018 18: 27 New
      +1
      And they forgot about the Taganrog airfield, from Kachi to Taganrog two hours fly. The upgrade will only affect anti-submarine equipment and the radar system integrated PPS. Perhaps the radio communication equipment will still be updated, but this is only talk and speculation. the money allocated to the program is the main thing)))
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 14: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: x.andvlad
    This is amazing. It seems that anti-submarine defense does not rely on hydroaviation.
    assa67 Today, 13:26 PM New
    not bad news .... "Seagulls" carried up to 16 depth charges ....

    And how many of them would take on board for example the BE-200?
    The Ministry of Defense, they say they refused. But at the same time resuscitating planes of 50 years of age. Wonders!
    My father flew a "flying boat" radio operator in the Northern Fleet in the 60s.

    And how many Albatros A-40 bombs would take on board? smile
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 January 2018 17: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      And how many Albatros A-40 bombs would take on board?

      He took 10 tons of payload.
  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 18 January 2018 15: 21 New
    +5
    Apparently with IL-114 everything is very sucks.
    For the sake of 6 (SIX !!!) aircraft to start a modernization program, with dough, R&D and other dances. I goof ...
  12. senima56
    senima56 18 January 2018 15: 50 New
    0
    It is not clear: will the “second life” be received by all the remaining aircraft or only those 6 from the 318th air regiment?
  13. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 18 January 2018 16: 35 New
    +4
    As far as I heard, the car is excellent ...
    Here she is)
  14. mark1
    mark1 18 January 2018 17: 05 New
    +1
    All these convulsions are from hopelessness. Be-12s in the USSR in the 80s are hopelessly outdated. And the IL-112 is already a year overdue and it seems not the limit.
  15. Piramidon
    Piramidon 18 January 2018 17: 37 New
    +1
    As a "boat" Be-12 is ineffective (excitement up to 3 points). It is better to have a normal land anti-submarine. But if you convert them into firefighters ... From a river or lake, he scoops up water in any weather.
  16. moreman78
    moreman78 18 January 2018 17: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Sands Career General
    As far as I heard, the car is excellent ...
    Here she is)

    The machine is useless! Less need to listen to all sorts of OBS!
  17. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 18 January 2018 18: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Balu
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Translating from official into Russian: there will be no new PLO aircraft to replace the Be-12 in the near future. sad

    Why change a solid, tested product to a new one?
    .
    Honestly, the plane is already outdated.
  18. fa2998
    fa2998 18 January 2018 18: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: assa67
    not bad news .... "Seagulls" carried up to 16 depth charges ....

    It was 2118. Russian aircraft manufacturers made a super-duper modification of the Soviet Il-38 and Be-12 aircraft. Hurray! recourse hi
  19. kamski
    kamski 18 January 2018 19: 16 New
    +1
    nothing new, from Zhiguli do not make a modern car
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 18 January 2018 20: 14 New
    +2
    In fact, the car is good, but morally outdated, and technically requires modernization. Although the main message of the article is that there is no money for a new car! It's a pity
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 21: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Radikal
    And how many Albatros A-40 bombs would take on board?

    He took 10 tons of payload.

    But for some reason, unfortunately no one needs ... request
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 January 2018 23: 51 New
    0
    Those aircraft in storage can also be written off.
    That is, we have five or six sides left.
    For the BSF and BF it is enough.
  23. Izotovp
    Izotovp 19 January 2018 06: 38 New
    0
    Does he have modern analogues abroad? And what would happen if the modernization were more complete: with the replacement of engines and avionics?
  24. faiver
    faiver 19 January 2018 15: 20 New
    0
    Some kind of nonsense, maybe we can find and upgrade katalin too? and what about mi-xnumx?
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 19 January 2018 16: 38 New
      0
      Hmm ... this plane is out of date for you, but ask about MI-14 ..
      1. faiver
        faiver 19 January 2018 17: 51 New
        +1
        well mi-xnumx a bit fresher laughing but essentially yes they are two pair boots ...
  25. Sergei1982
    Sergei1982 20 January 2018 07: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Rushnairfors
    Hi Seryog, let 114 be. the meaning is the same

    Hello, yes, the meaning is the same and the faster the Il-114 is put into production, the better it will be, it is also tipped to replace the Il-20, and the border guards are eyeing it as a patrol, as long as one of the powers that be does not interfere much.