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In the US, predicted the collapse of "Roscosmos"

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Journalist Matthew Bodner in a column in the pages of Space News suggested that after the United States refused to buy seats on Russian Soyuz manned spacecraft and engines for Atlas 5 missiles from Roscosmos, the Russian state corporation would be in a difficult financial situation.


The author estimates the Russian analyst Pavel Luzin, according to which about half of the Roscosmos budget within the framework of the Federal Space Program for 2016-2025 years (1,4 trillion rubles or 24 billion dollars) is devoted to manned programs.

In the US, predicted the collapse of "Roscosmos"


In 2018, the cost of space for an astronaut on the Soyuz will increase to 81 million dollars.

Thus, each American astronaut contributes up to five percent of the state corporation’s annual budget, at least based on funding received from the federal government through the Federal Space Program.
- notes Luzin.

In 2019, NASA plans to stop buying seats at Soyuz.

The budget cushion provided by NASA and other foreign agencies will soon disappear, but no one in Russia seems to be talking about it.
- concludes Bodner.

Previously, the Khrunichev Center, due to reduced orders and carrier accidents, as well as a large credit and social burden, asked the Russian government for financial support in the amount of 30 billion rubles.

In 2018, five expeditions will go to the International Space Station, only 18 people will visit the station, of which 7 will be represented by Roscosmos, 8 people by NASA, one astronaut will be assigned to European and Canadian space agencies, and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, transmits "Lenta.ru"
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  1. Rusland
    Rusland 18 January 2018 12: 40
    25
    They gave us a break, bought well, paid well, thanks!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 18 January 2018 12: 43
      27
      Now, if the Americans wrote that everything is fine at Roskosmos, this would have to strain. And so we ourselves know that the Russian space industry has enough problems
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 18 January 2018 12: 48
        17
        Quote: Rusland
        They gave us a break, bought well, paid well, thanks!

        For what thanks uncle?
        We are taking them into space. Who should say thanks to anyone?
        They bazaar a lot, but they themselves can’t get to the orbit. Cinematic conquerors of the moon and the surrounding area. lol
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 18 January 2018 16: 16
          +4
          Roscosmos will be the Indians of the Chinese and all other Asians, South Americans, Africans, and to a bunch of Europeans to carry and trade engines with them, and let these themselves.
        2. Karayakupovo
          Karayakupovo 18 January 2018 16: 25
          +5
          Well, I hope that Hollywood will somehow send them into space. It seems to have experience.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 18 January 2018 16: 46
          +6
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Quote: Rusland
          They gave us a break, bought well, paid well, thanks!

          For what thanks uncle?


          For the loot uncle!
        4. Train
          Train 18 January 2018 16: 52
          +7
          What technological structure of plants do we have? Level 3 at the USA? I don’t remember exactly, in my opinion 7? cinema - the clown’s all here in Russia. You don’t even compare technologies with Russia, at this rate of development we’ll catch them for 1000 years and we won’t catch them ... Cinematic conquerors ... They made fun ...
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 19 January 2018 06: 28
            +1
            Quote: Zug
            foreign - the clown is all here in Russia. You do not even compare technology to Russia and Russia

            Another victim of Hollywood and the exam.
            Distribute the levels by capacity - their "7th level" by capacity is lower than our laboratories. The USA is a country of managers and beggars. Production in the United States belongs to the triads and the yakuza. And they do not produce what is necessary for a sovereign country to maintain sovereignty.
            On average, the level of the United States is backward agricultural production, where the vast majority of 95% of the population — the practically illiterate part of the United States — is employed. Corporate capitalism, panimaeshli.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 19 January 2018 10: 45
              +5
              And what about their liners, Boeing, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, satellites, helicopters, cars, trucks, construction equipment, gasoline, kerosene, where do they produce? laughing
              They haven’t made me laugh like that for a long time ...
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 21 January 2018 12: 57
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                and liners Boeing, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, satellites, helicopters, cars, trucks, construction equipment,

                Are those on Chinese chips with Chinese bookmarks? from Russian titanium (not processed in the USA) and pitch, from German-Chinese steel and cast iron? on Japanese developments regarding construction equipment?
                Warrior, you burn, as always.
            2. Train
              Train 19 January 2018 12: 20
              +1
              mdaaaaaa parya-toto we have everything that we use Made in Russia
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 21 January 2018 13: 29
                +1
                He sat down, looked around -
                4 refrigerators - 2 LG of Russian manufacture, Biryusa and Saratov
                2 audio centers - Vega and Melody
                8 computers - 4 St. Petersburg motherboards, Nsk processes, 2 German SCSI scanners, USB - Khabarovsk assemblies, the parameters under the line are not lower than the fantastic ones. The rest is China
                3 smartphones - mine claims that GB, Samsung’s wife reports about the Russian assembly.
                LG TV - written in China, sends to Austria, assembly Irkutsk.
                Will we sort clothes-shoes? I have a Chinese army puff, since '93, hanging in the closet, the same memory. And skiing with boots - Austrian. My wife has demi-season boots and boots - she prefers German ones, but they are made like Belarus. The rest is within the region.

                So what are you not happy with?
                1. onix757
                  onix757 21 January 2018 13: 38
                  0
                  2 audio centers - Vega and Melody

                  good devices produced in Soviet times.
                  Everything else is a product of Western technology.
                  The only question is, where do you get so many refrigerators? Incidentally, they consume a lot of electricity and take up space. Or you have a house of 1000 square meters. And a communal benefit. Yes, and energy-intensive components. Are you complaining about cryptocurrency? smile
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 21 January 2018 14: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: onix757
                    Everything else is a product of Western technology.

                    Decipher them: what exactly and what kind of "Western" technology.
                    The GoldStar / Philips / LG initially involved the RSFSR / RF. And first of all, as a developer. You did not know ?!
                    Samsung is an open corporation, in its foundation participated the RSFSR, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and China. Like in Toshiba. This is our control of South Korea, more beneficial than material assistance.
                    And yet, yes, Saratov and Biryusa are halves. Conveniently. Everything enters the kitchen.
                    "Computers" in my opinion are not energy-intensive. And two families. I dabble with OSs, with rare iron, requiring a separate assembly. One exclusively reads books aloud. Sabak drags.
          2. Lock36
            Lock36 19 January 2018 20: 57
            +2
            Quote: Zug
            technological way plants?

            Quote: Zug
            it's all sdes

            Would you go to school, two-year-old. laughing
            1. Train
              Train 21 January 2018 16: 53
              0
              Did you type summarize it?
              1. Lock36
                Lock36 21 January 2018 18: 56
                +2
                A person with such literacy should not write about those ways and our backlog from the United States. Better to be silent in a rag.
                Russian is not native or what? Foreign bot?
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    2. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 18 January 2018 12: 43
      14
      It’s not like ours took advantage of this respite
      1. just exp
        just exp 18 January 2018 12: 57
        22
        Yes, our people learned to get loot for old technologies and thought that it would be like this forever, that you could score everything and do nothing.
        and Rogozin only learned to joke about the trampoline.
        Japan frame, when Musk was just starting, it was necessary to take retaliatory measures, but no. joked on the TV screen and that’s enough.
        Th now Rogozin is no longer joking, a sense of humor must have begun to fail.
        or maybe he began to return to reality?
        1. _Jack_
          _Jack_ 18 January 2018 13: 00
          +6
          Yes to him what? He provided a chatterbox of this comfortable old age, now let him even get fired, he will not be very upset.
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 18 January 2018 13: 10
            15
            Quote: _Jack_
            Yes, our people learned to get loot for old technologies and thought that it would be like this forever, that you could score everything and do nothing.

            Some still learned to shit everything Russian.
            The mattresses printed another crap about the Russians and right there a bunch of "experts" began to assent to them.
            Did mattresses contribute to the collapse of industry in Russia? Or is it all Rogozin invented and committed?
            It is worth saying to the mattresses the face and away we go ....
            1. just exp
              just exp 18 January 2018 13: 15
              14
              I went through a lot of other forums on this topic, and this is not my point of view alone.
              there are simply birds that feed on the fact that they are beating a tree with their beaks, they still have a red tuft type, but there are adequate people, and adequate people look at the facts.
              and the facts are as follows.
              to Mask and Rogozin Russia leader in the space industry
              Russia has over 40% of commercial launches.
              Russia has a bunch of space development programs (although in fact in words for the most part)

              what do we have now?
              mattresses are technologically advanced and have what we don’t have and do not shine yet
              the share of commercial launches dropped to 15%, and for mattresses it increased.
              that is, all our customers go to the mattresses.
              the mattresses got a bunch of programs, and ours were going to catch up with the Mask.
              so who is the idiot?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 18 January 2018 13: 41
                +8
                Mask - artificial design. When the United States realized that the state-owned NASA was eating money, and the results were few, they made Mask Corporation. All NASA technologies were poured there and began to commercialize them. With us, if you do so, such a howl will rise to protect state property - just hold on. And, of course, not Rogozin to do this. hi
                1. just exp
                  just exp 18 January 2018 13: 51
                  13
                  I am aware, moreover, I am aware that with NASA they took the most valuable shots and gave them the Mask.
                  I don’t care much how they did it, I care what they could do.
                  and I’m even more worried about why our respondents didn’t take anything except Rogozin’s jokes, and just need a miracle, last year we got our own Mask, but I don’t know about the scale, but the first private sharaba in space appeared, and again, lo and behold, ours began the projects of ascended steps.
                  But after 5 years ago, all the articles wrote that Mask Loshara and that the return steps are a dead end and are not commercially profitable. and the fact that the returning steps is the first step to the returning devices (not a shuttle with a blizzard, but generally a spaceship) it didn’t reach them, although it was clear to a hedgehog that this step would have to be done ANYWHERE. but no, someone from the screen told us that Mask loshara and he won’t succeed and didn’t do anything to resist the mattresses.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 19 January 2018 10: 17
                    +2
                    We have the most trusted oligarchs left without banks and scatter. Whom do the mask do? I do not see. And Musk is a typical oligarch. He is just thinking in technology, and not just in economics.
            2. _Jack_
              _Jack_ 18 January 2018 13: 16
              +4
              I think it’s no secret to anyone that in our space industry the situation is not at all buzzing, and the prospects look even worse, this article has nothing to do with it.
              Did mattresses contribute to the collapse of industry in Russia?

              Thus ended the confrontation between two superpowers - the USA and the USSR, if everything would be the other way around, would you condemn the USSR for the collapse of US industry? I doubt it.
              Strange you insert quotes in posts, these are not my words, if that.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 18 January 2018 15: 07
                +5
                Quote: _Jack_
                if everything would be the other way around, would you blame the USSR for the collapse of US industry? I doubt it

                Excuse me for whom? Why should we worry about any problems in the USA. This is war, and America, this is our real enemy, just do not shoot at each other, yet. And they do not hide this overseas, on the contrary, openly declare Russia an enemy. Maybe then we will thank "blessed America" ​​for the 90s?
                Thus ended the confrontation of two superpowers - the United States and the USSR
                Not a damn thing, it didn’t end, it just went into another phase. And Musk is a charlatan. Let's see how they will carry out a manned flight into space, because in my opinion this is the triumph of astronautics and technology. And not in the ability to throw a piece of "electronic iron" into orbit.
                1. _Jack_
                  _Jack_ 18 January 2018 15: 14
                  +5
                  Excuse me for whom? Why should we worry about any problems in the USA.

                  And who is experiencing that? Just accept reality as it is - the collapse of our economy is the result of a loss in the Cold War, essentially indemnity. Lost - get it.
                  Not a damn thing, it didn’t end, it just went into another phase.

                  I beg you to go down to earth. Russia is not the USSR, it is the miserable crumbs of the empire. The USA does not consider us as a serious rival in the world, for them it is now China. And so we are, a regional country, which they keep as far as possible.
                  Let's go back to our sheep - Roscosmos sells and operates the technologies of the USSR, there is no serious movement forward, most likely backward, for example, all these accidents have been dragging on for many years. And competitors are breaking ahead and soon we will really remain out of space in space, in this article, in fact, everything is correct.
                  1. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 18 January 2018 15: 44
                    +4
                    Quote: _Jack_
                    I beg you to go down to earth. Russia is not the USSR, it is the miserable crumbs of the empire. The USA does not consider us as a serious rival in the world, for them it is now China.

                    Yes, I’m on earth, and you, something very much landed, below the horizon. There is one mistake in your reasoning, you evaluate everything from the point of view of economics, financially, so to speak, who has more money is right. In relation to Russia, this is a bit wrong. The states do not see a rival in Russia in the economy, they are most afraid of the worldview of the Russian man, for it is death for the entire parasitic Western world.
                    1. _Jack_
                      _Jack_ 18 January 2018 15: 49
                      +5
                      The states do not see a competitor in the economy in Russia, they are most afraid of the worldview of the Russian man

                      You cannot separate one from the other. Will you spread this "worldview concept" on bread? You feed your children with it and buy an apartment for them? A worldview concept can be promoted from a position of strength, and if a poor country is not interesting to anyone in the world, what is its worldview concept. Rather, it will be the anti-advertising of her concept.
                      And by the way, we are discussing an article about Roscosmos, if that.
                      1. Orionvit
                        Orionvit 18 January 2018 20: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: _Jack_
                        we are discussing an article about Roskosmos, if that

                        Yes, no one is against, of course, about Roscosmos. But some points confuse
                        if the country is poor
                        Are you talking about Russia? And what do you teach your children or taught? Who has more pocket money does he steer?
                        Will you spread this "worldview concept" on bread?
                        Yes, I will. The Bible is certainly not credible, but there are many interesting things. And at your leisure think, who is the poor in spirit? This is about concepts.
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            4. astepanov
              astepanov 18 January 2018 15: 40
              +2
              Of course, Russia is the birthplace of elephants, but here you go - at Vostochny, theft of funds allocated for construction was again revealed. Who would doubt that America and Ukrainians are stealing our grandmothers ... We are saints and we will not allow such a thing.
            5. Train
              Train 18 January 2018 16: 54
              0
              And they don’t have to write anything-the statistics of machine launches from 2005 to this day will look ours, we’ll be pleased ... soon we won’t even be able to throw bird droppings into the air on a shovel ..
            6. Bastinda
              Bastinda 18 January 2018 19: 07
              +1
              Did mattresses contribute to the collapse of industry in Russia? Or is it all Rogozin invented and committed?

              And on our part, who contributed? After all, the game involves two parties ... Who opened the markets? Who joined the WTO?
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 18 January 2018 16: 47
        +7
        Quote: _Jack_
        It’s not like ours took advantage of this respite


        It doesn't seem like you are from "ours."
        1. _Jack_
          _Jack_ 18 January 2018 16: 55
          +6
          Well, it depends on who is “yours”, if urapatrioty, I’m glad that it’s not from “yours”
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 00
            +1
            Where did you come to rally? The army is OUT of politics.
            And to carry nonsense about launches, comparing transporters with geodetic probes, the launch of which we DO NOT report at all is to sign our own incompetence.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 18 January 2018 12: 46
      17
      What century did the Anglo-Saxons bury and cannot bury Russia? wink
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      2. Going
        Going 18 January 2018 12: 52
        +6
        Greetings Vlad! hi drinks as long as Russia exists, so many are trying to bury it.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 18 January 2018 12: 57
          +7
          Quote: Going
          Greetings Vlad! hi drinks as long as Russia exists, so many are trying to bury it.

          Hello Be Victor! drinks hi From the outside, this is not possible, only from the inside. hi
          1. Going
            Going 18 January 2018 12: 59
            +6
            And we know about this that "only two Russians can kill a Russian."
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 18 January 2018 13: 02
              +4
              Well, let you dream mattresses ... lol
              1. Going
                Going 18 January 2018 13: 04
                +5
                So we do not mind, let them dream.
            2. Train
              Train 18 January 2018 16: 55
              0
              Duck, our Russian oligarchs are Russian and urinate right now
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 18 January 2018 16: 47
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        What century did the Anglo-Saxons bury and cannot bury Russia? wink


        What is characteristic is already not able to.
    4. opus
      opus 18 January 2018 14: 30
      +7
      Quote: Rusland
      They gave us a break, bought well, paid well, thanks!

      And we as donkeys rode this breathing space.
      Kook (economist / journalist, and for some reason, doctor of technical belay sciences- but the work / dissertation HIS DO NOT FIND) Comrade Rogozin, spoke about trampolines ..

      Oh well.
      Quote: Author
      cites Russian analyst Pavel Luzin

      It would be better if Pavel had a Surname - LUSER.
      What lead? found someone to refer to
      Pavel Luzin
      Specialist in international relations, expert in the Russian Armed Forces. Political scientist (cpn). Senior Lecturer, Faculty of History and Politology, Perm University. 2013 - 2014 - Researcher IMEMO RAS. 2012-2013 - PIR Center expert (Moscow), Assistant Editor-in-Chief of the Security Index Journal.


      Matthew Bodner, the same "special" is the same as the pasha

      He studied at the University of Miami in Ohio and was a junior employee at the Center for Post-Soviet and Russian Studies. Havigerst.
  2. sogdy
    sogdy 18 January 2018 12: 40
    +4
    So what the hell are Americans messing up with Kazakhstan? Will Kazakhs launch from Baikonur?
    And now, more than half of all American starts go through S7.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 18 January 2018 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: sogdy
      So what the hell are Americans messing up with Kazakhstan? Will Kazakhs launch from Baikonur?

      Actually, no one has heard anything about Kazakh Unions. And they’re unlikely to launch anything from Baikonur in the coming years.
      The budget cushion provided by NASA and other foreign agencies will soon disappear, but no one in Russia seems to be talking about it.
      Duc, "until the thunder strikes ..."
      We have a lot like this: we are waiting, sir, when the "roasted cock pecks."
      Harm talk about some kind of breakthrough projects, such as the "Federation" and the flight to Mars, but so far it is hard to believe in all this.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 18 January 2018 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: x.andvlad
        And they’re unlikely to launch anything from Baikonur in the coming years.

        only a herd of mares and a flock of sheep in the steppe can run
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 07
        0
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Actually, no one has heard anything about Kazakh Unions.

        Bypass of upcoming sanctions. The launch method is not from Russia.
  3. LSA57
    LSA57 18 January 2018 12: 47
    +3
    Journalist Matthew Bodner, in a column on the Space News pages, suggested that after the US refused to buy from Roskosmos places on Russian manned spacecraft Soyuz and engines for Atlas 5 rockets

    but then how will they get on the ISS ???? belay with a trampoline ???? belay to spite mom’s frostbitten ears ...
    1. just exp
      just exp 18 January 2018 12: 58
      +7
      I'm afraid that soon our people will be buying mattresses for delivery of astronauts from mattresses.
      for besides joking with us, someone cannot do anything.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 18 January 2018 13: 28
        +3
        Quote: just explo
        I'm afraid that soon our people will be buying mattresses for delivery of astronauts from mattresses.

        and what will they deliver on? on mustangs or coyotes? themselves will go there on foot
        1. just exp
          just exp 18 January 2018 13: 37
          +2
          on falcons. I already answered a question like that below.
          By the way, why did we have a share of launches in the market of more than 40%, and now the emnip is about 15%, and for mattresses it has grown by the same amount?
          coincidence? or are customers tired of losing their moons on protons?
          1. Lock36
            Lock36 18 January 2018 13: 54
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            on falcons. I already answered a question like that below.

            And have you already sent a lot of Falcons?
            Amers have a whole line of those who should send - Boeing and another company should have taken the Komsomonauts to the ISS in 2017, but so far they have not even launched a rocket.
            Let them work, let them show the result.
            1. just exp
              just exp 18 January 2018 14: 21
              +1
              no one yet. After a couple of months, the first ones will go.
              and then what?
              1. vlad007
                vlad007 18 January 2018 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: just explo
                After a couple of months, the first ones will go.

                NASA has banned the sending of astronauts to the Falcons until 2019. If my memory serves me, then the reason is that the Falcons, the only ones in the World, are refueling AFTER the astronauts land. All refuel BEFORE. Musk said it was "bullshit, we will fix it quickly."
                1. just exp
                  just exp 18 January 2018 19: 44
                  0
                  Musk said, Musk did as he said that the steps will sit down, they sit down, he said that they can be reused and they can be reused.
                  and what is made of what is declared in our country?
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: just explo
                    he said that they can be reused and reused.

                    I forgot to say that reuse is like making and launching a new one. With a loss of reliability of up to 40%. We have already gone through this.
              2. Lock36
                Lock36 19 January 2018 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: just explo
                After a couple of months, the first ones will go.

                Your memory is useless. laughing
                Quote: just explo
                and then what?

                Come in "a couple of months" - we will all laugh at you in unison. lol
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 18 January 2018 14: 18
            +2
            Quote: just explo
            why did we have a share of launches in the market of more than 40%, and now the emnip is about 15%, and for mattresses it has grown by the same amount?

            so it grew due to those engines that are bought from us. we will not sell, the percentage of stripes will be no more than a percent
            1. just exp
              just exp 18 January 2018 14: 22
              +1
              nonsense, we supplied them as much as before, everything was strictly contracted, and the number of launches they had increased, and it might be worth recalling that such a passenger as Mask appeared and his rockets fly on their own engines, and not RD-xxx?
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 18 January 2018 14: 51
                +2
                Quote: just explo
                and his rockets fly on their own engines, and not RD-xxx?

                what is the carrying capacity of these "engines"? oranges only throw them into space. they launch normal satellites from our engines
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                2. just exp
                  just exp 18 January 2018 19: 45
                  +2
                  in general, Musk launched on his engines more than mattresses on ours and ours on ours.
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: just explo
                    in general, Musk launched on his engines more than mattresses on ours and ours on ours.

                    Give the numbers with the height of the orbit / launch. For you drive Nipadetski.
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      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 18 January 2018 13: 51
        +1
        Well, not quite there, BUT is rapidly moving in this direction ...
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 18 January 2018 14: 21
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        our cosmonautics is in a deep ass.

        but from the "ass" he regularly sends expeditions to the ISS. and those who are not in the ass fly on our "Union" and launch satellites using our engines !!!!!
    3. zhekazs
      zhekazs 18 January 2018 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: LSA57
      with a trampoline ????

      Why immediately with a trampoline? They can establish productive and efficient work with Ukrkosmos, after all, Ukraine is a great space power.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 18 January 2018 13: 30
        +4
        Quote: zhekazs
        still, Ukraine is a great space power.

        and how long? belay that's what it means to occasionally visit a site laughing
        1. zhekazs
          zhekazs 18 January 2018 13: 36
          +1
          Not so long ago there was an article on VO, the end of November-December.
          But, I repent, it’s not good, to laugh at the wretched laughing
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 18 January 2018 13: 41
            +1
            Quote: zhekazs
            Not so long ago there was an article on VO, the end of November-December.
            But, I repent, it’s not good, to laugh at the wretched laughing

            give an occasion
            1. ustinov.yuri
              ustinov.yuri 18 January 2018 18: 49
              0
              Yes, you definitely need to “send them to the moon.” (Many will understand me)
  4. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 January 2018 12: 47
    +8
    The share of truth, in words, is certainly considerable. But, there is one caveat: many things, in our country, exist not “thanks”, but “contrary”))
    So, this "expert" is more likely to die than Roscosmos laughing
    Problems are immeasurable, and they need to be addressed, urgently! We "harness" slowly, as usual (let's hope that we "go" quickly
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 18 January 2018 12: 48
    +2
    Cheerful hutspa
  6. Going
    Going 18 January 2018 12: 48
    +6
    “Thus, every American astronaut contributes up to five percent of the state corporation’s annual budget, at least based on funding received from the federal government through the Federal Space Program


    Something does not fit into arithmetic.

    In 2018, the cost of space for an astronaut on the Soyuz will increase to 81 million dollars.


    In 2018, five expeditions will go to the International Space Station, a total of 18 people will visit the station, of which 7 will be Roskosmos, 8 will be NASA, one astronaut will be each from the European and Canadian space agencies, as well as the Japan Aerospace Research Agency


    Total 11 people will bring 891 million dollars.

    The Federal Space Program for 2016-2025 (1,4 trillion rubles or $ 24 billion) is devoted to manned programs.

    In a year it turns out 2, 7 yards of dollars.
    Yes, we will lose a third of the budget, but the number of astronauts will decrease by more than two.
  7. anjey
    anjey 18 January 2018 12: 50
    +5
    just one unsuccessful start of the American homegrown rocket carrier and the crash will be in NASA usa, not a single astronaut for any bucks you can drag into orbit ....
    1. anjey
      anjey 18 January 2018 13: 17
      +5
      really kirdyk to you soon in space, pavilion lunar openers ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 January 2018 21: 18
        0
        Indeed, kirdyk will soon come to you in outer space. This is why it will suddenly be their private space for the most part that private owners with state support will develop - and in Russia who will develop outer space will be kulibins without money, or snickering officials loafers.
  8. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 18 January 2018 12: 51
    +4
    Either the economy is torn to shreds, then because of 5 percent, the Roskosmos simply must go bankrupt laughing... soba ... oh ... partners bark - the caravan goes
  9. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 18 January 2018 12: 51
    +1
    Pavel Luzin founder and director of a research startup - under mad trends, rulim forever
  10. Azazelo
    Azazelo 18 January 2018 12: 52
    +1
    What will you fly then ??? gentlemen in high cylinders.
    1. just exp
      just exp 18 January 2018 12: 59
      +6
      on falcons, but what?
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 18 January 2018 13: 24
        +1
        Falcon is a replica of Yuzhmashevskaya. What will they be doing?
        Or swim in materials science?
        1. just exp
          just exp 18 January 2018 13: 38
          +4
          Yes, write right away that this is an unlicensed copy of the proton.
          so you will have more pluses, they will respect you more.
          and the fact that you are talking nonsense, but who of the lemings knows about this?
          By the way, do not tell me, but what is a heavy Falcon replica of what rocket will be?
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 18 January 2018 14: 11
            +1
            Quote: just explo
            yes write right away

            But you already drove this nonsense. Well, okay, what else to expect.
            The problem was the original - of the materials and technologies available to Americans, only a solid propellant rocket engine is really possible. I will refer to Kazantsev - after all, he is not only a science fiction.
            1. just exp
              just exp 18 January 2018 14: 23
              0
              science fiction is not science fiction. but with reality what to do? our clients go to the mattresses.
              who will we blame? and do what?
              blame Kazantsev and will we read his books?
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 32
                +1
                "You"?! On launches up to 100 km ?! And they start at S7. And also Arian, 80% ours. And more than 50% in Kourou.
                By the way, how many spaceports do we have? And the amers, the Europeans?
                Toka nada about the Great Cosmic Power of Israel. By the way, there are no fewer launches than Mask. And North Korea built and launched its own satellites.
                What is the operating time of the "satellites" launched by the Mask? Europeans? Israel? And North Korean will work for another 10 years.
                Such, you know, is reality. You can compare the planets with dust particles ... but the conclusions will not be in favor of dust particles. But you doubt it.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 January 2018 21: 24
              +1
              "Of the materials and technologies available to Americans, only a solid propellant rocket engine is really possible." This is from the realm of a parallel universe - but the reality
              RS 68 hydrogen - kerosene made since 1998.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 18 January 2018 21: 26
                +1
                RS 25 fuel oxygen - hydrogen updated version will be put on the SLS rocket.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 18 January 2018 21: 31
                  +1
                  BE 4 methane - oxygen
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 18 January 2018 21: 37
                    0
                    LRE Raptor methane oxygen, according to the full-flow closed cycle scheme, is possibly the first production engine in the world to operate according to such a scheme.
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 44
                      +1
                      Vadim, photos from the 70s are not interesting to me.
                      And you do not know the components of the engine. And also temperature and pressure, speed of passage. That is, the requirements for the materials. Where did we start.
                      Engines based on oxygen mixtures are very unstable in operation. And yes, there is tritium. Count the price yourself.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 43
                        0
                        These engines are still being produced and are working, and on the account - "Not stable in operation". You tell the developers and manufacturers - otherwise they are fools.
      2. gaura
        gaura 18 January 2018 13: 51
        +2
        And why did they renew the contract for our engines for another five years? Why not kosher falcons?
  11. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 18 January 2018 12: 55
    +1
    Crash-seam, guard, chef, u have disappeared, rejoice, incredible friends, together with Luzin. We know without you.
    Work is going on, I think, but as long as the thieves are not in prison, you can roll up a sickly pebble as much as you like. It will fall anyway.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 18 January 2018 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: iliitch
      but until the thieves are in prison

      SSS LLC - “I am you, Mr. Colonel, as I remember alive” (c)
      However, you even in general terms do not know who, what, and how.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 18 January 2018 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: sogdy
        However, you even in general terms do not know who, what, and how.

        I mean - who stole how much, and what kind of kakekers are building there? Yes, where are we, Sivolapim. Here experts roam abruptly than Igor Prokopenko. They are aware that "..we have SUCH INSTRUMENTS,
        but we won’t tell you about them .. ".
        We fix the primus.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 18 January 2018 13: 48
          +3
          Quote: iliitch
          I mean - who stole how much

          No, who and how milks.
          And the stolen budget money doesn’t bring much, for the non-cash, secured by the budget. On what banks rained down. Milk performers, seizing their hard-earned, on the bases. Such milkers do not need to complete the assignment. Here it is not. The rest is already a consequence. The process is more like a diversion at the level of designers KM-KMD As BE is not even in the financial field ....
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 18 January 2018 12: 56
    +2
    The United States will first cope with its problems, and then Roscosmos will predict something ..... and as for orders from other states, there are enough of them, our accident rate can be reduced, and sometimes they will increase ..... no matter how sabotage on the ground ....
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 18 January 2018 13: 15
    +7
    That is the essence of the US program to destroy the space industry in Russia. The most interesting thing is that the “killer” appointed by the Americans - the Mask company also incurs gigantic losses and is subsidized through senate programs. And there are losses of 12 billion. dolar! Rocket Mask only on paper is cheaper than Russian counterparts. In fact, the profitability of a program with a reusable first stage was within 10%, provided that at least 50% of the first stages would be returned to the land with subsequent reuse at least 3 times.
    Actually, here we are not talking about how ineffective the Russian state space is and how effective the private American one is. It is not at all private and not at all effective. This is an attempt to kill the Russian industry, but I have no doubt that our state will not allow this. yes there are problems with management effectiveness. but money will always go there. But whether Musk will survive on one advertisement when the Senate brook is over is a question. His only remaining truly cost-effective Tesla business unit now also incurs daily losses. And he invests money in all this only strangers ...
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 18 January 2018 14: 01
      +4
      Quote: Berkut24
      And he invests money in all this only strangers ...

      On January 8, Musk launched Falcon-9 with the Pentagon’s secret Zuma spacecraft (pennant on my avatar) worth a billion dollars, Zuma burned out in dense atmospheres and the first stage successfully landed on the platform, after which some customers abandoned his services.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 18 January 2018 14: 38
        +2
        There are a lot of questions with Zuma ... The satellite may have been made using stealth technology and it was believed that it was checked for invisibility to the radars of the missile attack warning system. So maybe Zuma is actually in target orbit. In addition, the States could test the satellite’s maneuvering system in orbit (which we already have), and the satellite’s lack of horizon for ground-based tracking systems does not mean that it didn’t lurk for some time in space debris.
      2. iwind
        iwind 19 January 2018 00: 02
        0
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Zuma "burned out in dense layers of the atmosphere and the first stage successfully landed on the platform, after which some of the customers refused its services.

        Who is this belay ?
        That's what customers said
        “Following Zuma mission, our engineering staff have reviewed all relevant launch vehicle flight data following last Falcon-9 launcher mission,” the company tweeted. “We are confident on SpaceX readiness & set for Govsat-1 launch late Jan!”.

        "Falcon 9 performed as specified. It actually performed very well,” said Hans Koenigsmann, vice president of build and flight reliability at SpaceX. “We're picking up the launches by the end of the month, as we planned.”
        Neither the military nor Nasa nor customers plead guilty Spacex
        ps officially there was no information about the loss of Zuma

        Quote: Berkut24
        That is the essence of the US program to destroy the space industry in Russia. The most interesting thing is that the "killer" appointed by the Americans - the Mask company, also incurs gigantic losses and is subsidized through Senate programs. And there are losses of 12 billion. dolar! Rocket Mask only on paper is cheaper than Russian counterparts. In fact, the profitability of a program with a reusable first stage was within 10%, provided that at least 50% of the first stages with

        What to regret., You need to immediately write 100 billion. wassat
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 January 2018 16: 44
      +4
      "The Mask company also incurs gigantic losses and is subsidized through senate programs." ///

      What kind of programs did you find in the US Senate?
      Google invested in Space X billions, invested in large venture capital funds.
      4 billion contracts from NASA; 3 years ahead secured by launch of commercial
      communication satellites.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 19 January 2018 07: 56
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        What kind of programs did you find in the US Senate?

        Voice of the Great Cosmic Power Israel.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        For 3 years in advance, it is provided with the launch of commercial communication satellites.

        Nothing low-orbital with a short lifespan? Same as Israel launches. Without a mask and a spaceport.
  14. Rusland
    Rusland 18 January 2018 13: 17
    +9
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Quote: Rusland
    They gave us a break, bought well, paid well, thanks!

    For what thanks uncle?
    We are taking them into space. Who should say thanks to anyone?
    They bazaar a lot, but they themselves can’t get to the orbit. Cinematic conquerors of the moon and the surrounding area. lol

    Everything is just a nephew, with their own money we roll them and for development remains.hi
  15. Altona
    Altona 18 January 2018 13: 20
    +1
    What kind of "predictions" did not divorce. From the category of "listen to energy, open to space." Can this journalist change his profession and become a psychic psychic? Where did they share their companion Zuma with the Ilona Mask rocket?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 January 2018 16: 32
      +1
      Zuma is spinning in orbit somewhere. Whether alive or not is unknown.
      It looks like Angolan Angosat-1. It revolves around the Earth, but is faulty.
      That is, there is a connection with him, but the television broadcasting system does not work.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 18 January 2018 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        That is, there is a connection with him, but the television broadcasting system does not work.

        So there is no connection with Zuma, there is an assumption that he did not undock from the second stage.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 19 January 2018 08: 00
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          So there is no connection with Zuma,

          Similarly, chef!
          Russia, China and India do not observe even in the field of traffic obstruction.
          Tales of "stealth" - to the doctor.
  16. vlad007
    vlad007 18 January 2018 13: 40
    +3
    I read the comments on 13-30. For some reason, no one paid attention to the state of affairs at the Center. Khrunicheva.
    The State Space Research and Production Center (GKNPC) named after Khrunichev completed the process of corporatization. The transition to the form of joint-stock company will allow the company to put up for sale about 100 hectares of land in Moscow Fili for subsequent development. This should help correct the deplorable financial condition of the SCNPC. Over the past three years, assistance has been provided for 65 billion rubles. There were reports in the media that TsiH pays annually about 4,5 billion rubles. on loans.
    TsiH is located next to the Filevsky park and it is planned to create a Residential Complex Cosmos there.
  17. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 18 January 2018 13: 48
    0
    Let them fly, probably 1986 and 2013 were forgotten. Let the shuttles get cooked up or whatever they call them.
  18. 1536
    1536 18 January 2018 14: 31
    0
    "Expert" did not take into account the amazing vitality of Russian bureaucratic structures that are resistant to such problems and stresses. So it would be better to worry about their NASA, which, in which case, American taxpayers will not tolerate for a long time.
  19. Train
    Train 18 January 2018 16: 46
    0
    Yes, Roscosmos has already been kaput, a couple of three more years, and apart from balloons, nothing will fly ...
  20. 89513026469
    89513026469 18 January 2018 17: 28
    0
    I recall the collapse in oil prices in 2014-2015. Then both Amers and our liberals had a popular saying - Low oil prices are just the unprofitability of the shale industry in the USA. But for Russia, this is the unprofitability of the whole country! They said) III ?? Something similar to the campaign with the Russian Cosmos.
    1. bk316
      bk316 18 January 2018 19: 13
      +2
      And they said that oil is already never will not cost more than $ 50.
      And they were echoed by couch echspertors all-crawlers like the same Zug.
      And in the end, many who believed them. But Btent struck 70 and I raised some money on these suckers. Good bully
      1. Train
        Train 21 January 2018 16: 55
        0
        I’m not an expert on oil, the barrel will collapse again and taxes will go up, the budget deficit must be repulsed)))
  21. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 18 January 2018 19: 23
    0
    Quote: 89513026469
    I recall the collapse in oil prices in 2014-2015. Then both Amers and our liberals had a popular saying - Low oil prices are just the unprofitability of the shale industry in the USA. But for Russia, this is the unprofitability of the whole country! They said) III ?? Something similar to the campaign with the Russian Cosmos.

    Dreams, American dreams to them for joy! Dreams are gone left muck. It's too early to order a funeral and 2018 will be indicative in many aspects. And financing was reduced for well-known reasons - the money went to other purposes. New approaches in the production of engines are on the way, so let's see where the Masks will be with their old technologies and supposedly breakthrough ideas. tongue
  22. Cannonball
    Cannonball 18 January 2018 19: 26
    0
    Early to bury Roscosmos. Of course, things are not a fountain, but it’s obviously premature to talk about the death of Russian cosmonautics.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 January 2018 21: 40
      0
      Roskosmos has the development of a propulsion system and a nuclear propulsion system.
  23. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 18 January 2018 21: 53
    0
    Orionvit,
    Well, since you don’t want to discuss Roscosmos, then this is where we will end the dialogue. Regarding the Bible, this is for you in another forum.
  24. Lexus
    Lexus 19 January 2018 01: 46
    +1
    In the US, predicted the collapse of "Roscosmos"

    Give the fight for "Roskosmos" to the last ... American satellite!
    Let Rogozin's successor still rip off his voice at NASA's funeral when he sings, and his leg will dislocate when he splits into a squat. bully
  25. kos2910
    kos2910 19 January 2018 05: 13
    0
    so what? By that time, we will be able to unhook our blocks from the ISS and we will have our own full-fledged orbital station. And let reliability and trouble-free delivery be tested on their astronauts. Mask somehow is also not very good ...
    1. anjey
      anjey 19 January 2018 11: 28
      0
      and its own Yankee-independent orbital station, oh, what is needed in our turbulent time ...
  26. 1536
    1536 19 January 2018 15: 29
    0
    With the same success, we can predict the collapse of our Housing Office, sorry, the management company. It's impossible. Who is sitting there in the scouts of the Americans?
  27. sogdy
    sogdy 21 January 2018 14: 02
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    These engines are still being produced and are working, and on the account - "Not stable in operation". You tell the developers and manufacturers - otherwise they are fools.

    They do not “let out and work”, but “are not taken out of service” - these are two big differences.
    With the loss of the Japanese-Korean region, they will lose the possibility of exploitation.
    "Tell you to developers and manufacturers," are you a developer? manufacturer? worker / engineering at her production?
    I grew up among developers. "These are my children's toys."