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Gas defeat of Ukraine: how much Kiev lost in the gas war with Russia

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Gas defeat of Ukraine: how much Kiev lost in the gas war with Russia



It would seem that here to think. The Stockholm arbitration has already announced the amount that Ukraine should give Russia, 2 billion dollars. I assure you that if everything were so simple, then one could consider that Ukraine had withdrawn from the gas war with Russia with almost no losses. In fact, the number of losses is more than an order of magnitude higher, and this is only by the most conservative estimates.

So, the head of NAK “Naftogaz”, Andrei Kobolev, officially announced the start of negotiations with Gazprom on the purchase of natural gas from him in 2018. At this, the next gas war between Ukraine and Russia can be considered officially ended, the peace signed, which means the time has come to sum up, that is, to calculate the losses.



The main problem of Ukraine in all gas confrontations with Russia is that it has always led them not for the sake of their interests, but in spite of them. Kiev has always defended the interests of Washington or Brussels (sometimes they simply coincided), while losing their geopolitical advantages and more money. A lot of money.

The main outcome of the first gas war between Ukraine and Russia was the laying of the Nord Stream under the Baltic Sea and the refusal of Ukraine of the lowest gas prices (“gas will flow”), according to the gas contract 2009 of the year signed by Tymoshenko.



In fact, this agreement became the gas capitulation of Ukraine, for which Julia served a couple of years in prison, from where only the 2014 coup of the year released her.

The total losses only on the price difference of gas under this contract for the first five years (the term of the agreement from 1999 of the year for which Ukraine received gas at 50 $ for 1000 cubes and could freely resell it abroad) amounted to 15-20 billion dollars, which for Ukraine was a colossal sum.

But the lesson Kiev did not go to the proc, and therefore as soon as the second maidan won in Kiev, the new gas war with Russia broke out immediately and in all directions.



First of all, the Ukrainian nationalists began to blow up gas pipelines and stock up gas for free at that moment. At that time, the advance payment clause was not in effect, and Ukraine received gas in advance, which Kiev, on the eve of the new gas confrontation, hurried to use. Actually, the main stumbling block in Stockholm was not the volume of gas purchased by Ukraine and not the point “take or pay”, but the price it had to pay for the gas that did not want to pay in 2014 year.

In order not to buy gas from Russia and not remain without it during the gas war, the new regime had to quickly solve several problems. First, drastically reduce consumption, and secondly, loop the Soviet export gas pipe at the western border to depict gas supplies from Europe.

Also, Kiev was very lucky with the weather. All the winters after Maidan, without exception, were very warm, with the average winter temperature increasing from year to year from 2014 to 2017.

The first condition was fulfilled by unleashing a war in the Donbas (of course this was not its cause, but a very useful bonus for Kiev), and the introduction of a total economy regime, as a result of which Ukraine had to drastically reduce industrial output and train its people to live, learn and work in cold rooms.

The decline in production and incomes lost from this, even without taking into account the lost part of Donbass, can be estimated at approximately 2-3 billion dollars annually. It is noteworthy that Ukraine will not return the markets lost for metallurgy products in 2014-15 years. This became clear as soon as the final statistics on the Ukrainian metallurgy for 2017 was published.



Remember, the blockade of Donbass from the gang of Semen Semenchenko last winter, as a result of which Ukraine lost control, and therefore the products of metallurgical enterprises of the LC and DPR? It would seem that this should have led to an increase in the production of similar industries in the so-called "mainland" Ukraine. But this did not happen. According to statistics, these companies finished 2017 a year with a little, but still a minus in production. And this allows us to conclude that the sales markets of the Ukrainian metal products have been lost for a long time, and the above losses from falling production can be considered a loss for more than one year.

So, in the Ukrainian industry, we have a loss of approximately 10 billion dollars. And no less the amount of losses awaits Ukraine in the coming years.

Also, as a result of the gas war, Kiev will be forced to lose almost all of the gas transit after 2019, which will give another minus about 2-3 billion dollars a year. This is a direct consequence of the construction by Russia of the Nord Stream-2, which probably would not have happened if it had not been for the "war". Or at least it would not have been built so quickly. How much money Ukraine lost at the same time, one wonders only Maybe 10 billion dollars, and maybe all 20. And maybe more ...



Against this background, losses, somehow it is even indecent to consider the 2 billion assigned by Stockholm bills of compensation for the gas of the year 2014 and the overpayment for the Russian gas that Kiev received under the so-called "reverse" schemes (less than 1 billion dollars). Even without them, it is clear that the last gas war inflicted on Kiev much greater losses than the war of Yushchenko’s time. Moreover, Ukraine has left it so weak in terms of the tools of its conduct that it can be said with confidence that Ukraine simply will not survive the third big gas war.
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  1. Alexy
    Alexy 18 January 2018 15: 46
    +8
    Against the backdrop of all this, I really like the speeches of ukropolitologists about endless changes
    1. Vend
      Vend 18 January 2018 15: 49
      +5
      Quote: Alexy
      Against the backdrop of all this, I really like the speeches of ukropolitologists about endless changes

      Well, people live in a fictional world, they can see it comfortably laughing Where Ukraine is a great power, the last barrier to Russian aggression, its fleet terrifies other countries, etc., etc. laughing
      1. Alexy
        Alexy 18 January 2018 15: 58
        +3
        They have such propaganda TV channels in Ukraine (I watch sometimes for fun) that our Kiselev nervously smokes on the sidelines.
        1. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 18 January 2018 17: 48
          +3
          I suggest then to send Kiselyov to the outskirts, let the experience take over, and even we will take a little more calm sigh. and if he likes hedgehogs there, and still remains, then in general beauty!
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 January 2018 17: 52
          +7
          Quote: Alexy
          that our Kiselev nervously smokes on the sidelines.

          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          I suggest then to send Kiselev to the outskirts

          Duc Kiselev has been living there for 20 years already, he worked on Kaklovsky TV. He has a house in the Crimea in Koktebel. That one is also "crucian". And at the nightingale's house in Italy on Lake Como.
          1. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 18 January 2018 18: 10
            +1
            There it is! And I think, from where I pulled the smell ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 January 2018 18: 43
              10
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              There it is! And then I think where the smell pulled.

              This is not a smell - it stank laughing kissel both for the yushchenko and for the yanuka trolling.
              From the beginning to the middle of the 2000s, he lived and worked in two countries - Ukraine and Russia [14]. From 2000 to 2006 [15] -
              presenter of the current interview “Details with Dmitry Kiselyov”, from 2000 to 2004 - chief editor of the information service of the Ukrainian television company ICTV
              Dmitry Kiselev built a house in Koktebel [44] [45], and in 2003 founded the Jazz Koktebel festival there [4]. In his own words, he also initiated the reconstruction of the house-museum of the writer and artist Maximilian Voloshin, what Ukrainian politicians Dmitry Tabachnik and Petro Poroshenko helped him with [44].
              Since 2012, he has been engaged in the creation of a Cock t'est belle winery in Koktebel with a capacity of up to 4 thousand bottles a year.
              In April 2016, hackers announced the hacking and theft of the contents of two mailboxes and WhatsApp correspondence by Dmitry Kiselyov, which was auctioned until May 15. The period from 2009 to 2016 is covered with a total amount of information of 11 gigabytes.
              The topic is mainly devoted to the “Russia Today” projects, there is also data on finances and assets in the array (among which is the purchase of an elite apartment of 204 m² on Tsvetnoy Boulevard for 162 million rubles in February 2014) [38], challenging EU personal sanctions Buying finished graduate work and professional scholarly articles for my wife. Among the interlocutors of the journalist were the head of the sector of social philosophy of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences Valentina Fedotova (on a paid basis, writing the texts of the presenter) [39], economist Nikita Krichevsky, media manager Aram Gabrelyanov, pranker Vovan, Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky[40] [41] [42] [43].
              Here is such a character belay
              1. Varna
                Varna 18 January 2018 21: 13
                +8
                [Stroporez]

                Here is such a character:
                I realized what kind of character, thanks. I’ll add from myself that envy comes from every wide click of your message.
                You would probably want the patriot (while working for society and the state system) to go exclusively in rags and live only on pus. So - no. I am very glad that patriotism is well paid in Russia.
                I am glad. Very glad . At last . And your envious screech, grunts and other gastronomic reactions to the good financial situation of Dmitry Kiselev, who was quite at the level of having repelled our enemies at the information level, convinces me; everything is right, everything is the way.
                1. onix757
                  onix757 18 January 2018 21: 22
                  +7
                  I am glad. Very glad . At last . And your envious screech, grunts and other gastronomic reactions to the good financial situation of Dmitry Kiselev, who was quite at the level of having repelled our enemies at the information level, convinces me; everything is right, everything is the way.

                  These talking heads gladly exchanged your joy for lifting sanctions against them. And from your joy, they are not as warm as on the Cote d'Azur)
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 18 January 2018 21: 29
                  10
                  Quote: Varna
                  . I am very glad that patriotism is well paid in Russia.

                  I didn’t know that material reward is due for patriotism belay
                  We now have almost 800 “patriots” with millions in their suitcases, who have filed for Maltese passports. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but before women who loved for a fee were called courtesans.
                  Quote: Varna
                  that envy shines through from every wide flick of your message.

                  Do you read what you write or is it bad with your Russian?
                  It’s your wind that walks in your head, and maybe even a draft laughing
                  Quote: Varna
                  And your envious screech, grunts and other gastronomic reactions to a good material

                  fool
                  Quote: Varna
                  quite at the level of our foes who at the information level

                  Duc parashenka is just the same friend of jelly.
                  Quote: Varna
                  I am glad. Very glad .

                  drink haloperidol, feel better yes
                  1. Varna
                    Varna 20 January 2018 21: 05
                    +2
                    In my head, there’s nothing but a draft. ; I chew haloperidol right now; and I’m old-fashioned as a couple with Washington, who George, who wrote in a private letter: “A person is always motivated by personal interest. Noble impulses are usually very short-lived, they are short-lived. Do not try to change the person’s nature, it’s better to apply and reconcile with this circumstance "- a biography of George Washington, N. Yakovlev.
                    Old clever Washington therefore continually hollowed Congress to increase the salaries of the officers and soldiers of the Continental Revolutionary Army - the old man firmly understood that patriotism and self-sacrifice must be well rewarded. I hope the words of Mr. Washington are quite authoritative for you, or didn’t the information about such people sleep in your head?
                    As for the information about Maltese millionaires well-inflated in recent days - I’ll say frankly - I don’t give a damn about rats.
                    And for Christ’s sake, please read at least the indications for use and the pharmacokinetics of haloperidol - how much you can disgrace and chat, about which you have no idea.
          2. user1212
            user1212 19 January 2018 04: 59
            +5
            Quote: Stroporez
            Duc Kiselev has been living there for 20 years already, he worked on Kaklovsky TV. He has a house in the Crimea in Koktebel. That one is also "crucian". And at the nightingale's house in Italy on Lake Como.

            Suddenly, Kiselyov Evgeny Alekseevich and Kiselyov Dmitry Konstantinovich are two different people laughing
            DK has a house in Koktebel, but it is connected with Ukrainian TV only in 2000-2004
            EA has been working on Ukrainian TV since 2008
            In total, they have not been connected to Ukrainian TV channels for 20 years.
            Tie up with hallucinogens wassat
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 19 January 2018 13: 02
              +2
              Quote: user1212
              In total, they have not been connected to Ukrainian TV channels for 20 years.

              I wrote that dk Kiselev lived on the outskirts of 20 years, but did not claim that all these 20 years he worked there on TV. Read more carefully, colleague! hi
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 18 January 2018 16: 10
        +1
        the outskirts became bankrupt after the 1st Maidan-- with the help of the 2nd they delayed all surrender (captured by the Russian Federation and markets lost)
        now 3-5 years will live on 2 toilet stools.
        then you need to make a choice
        To drive them.
        TAKE PARTS.
        THEY, FIRST OF ALL, OFFENDED OUR EFFECTIVE
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 22 January 2018 13: 54
        +1
        It would be interesting to know how much Russia lost in this gas war. Or do we live by the principle - "normal heroes always go around"? belay
  2. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 18 January 2018 15: 50
    14
    Not about that. The question should have been asked how much have we all lost, Russians, separated by artificial borders? The bandits divided us to rule and exhaust us! And here about some nonsense, gas, debts, other foam of days ...
  3. NF68
    NF68 18 January 2018 16: 01
    +1
    To the evil conductor, I will buy a ticket for traveling by tram, and I myself will go on foot.
  4. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 18 January 2018 16: 05
    +9
    They put the outskirts in an uncomfortable position, everything is fair, only who benefits from this? It is clear that sooner or later, this amno will have to rake Russia. The author would have better calculated how much Russia is losing due to the liberal thieves' economic course of collaborators from power. To me and other compatriots such information would be much more interesting and useful.
    1. Dimka75
      Dimka75 18 January 2018 18: 43
      +5
      in strong and rich countries, news is mainly written about the country itself - about power, about people, about problems, criticism, prospects

      and in Russia and the HE in particular - mainly about Ukraine
      Draw your own conclusions
      1. user1212
        user1212 19 January 2018 05: 10
        +5
        Quote: Dimka75
        in strong and wealthy countries, news is mostly written about the country itself

        Yeah. That’s what they don’t do in the West, because they don’t try out of all the cracks about Putin and Russia lol
        Quote: Dimka75
        and in Russia and the HE in particular - mainly about Ukraine

        Which, of course, does not happen in Ukraine lol
        Quote: Dimka75
        Draw your own conclusions

        Only after you hi
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara 19 January 2018 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: Dimka75
        in strong and rich countries, news is mainly written about the country itself - about power, about people, about problems, criticism, prospects

        type in google "CNN o"
        read the results:
        About Russia
        about Putin
        about Ukraine
        about the crash of a Boeing
        about Boeing
        oh yes, we are correcting
        cnn about
        Russia
        Bitcoin
        tramp
        us
        donald trump
        Can I have examples of such states that you mentioned?
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 18 January 2018 16: 48
    +8
    Today, the Ukrainian Parliament passed a law on the "reintegration of Donbass," where Russia is recognized as an aggressor country. So we won’t pay any money to the “aggressor”. Let there be a European court that awards whatever it wants. But here's what to do with other purchases. Well, honestly, they recognized the aggressor, so why the "aggressor" does not stop the supply of gas, coal and everything else? Sorry for the population? Well, maybe the chill will clear the brain, how can it live there without an “aggressor" !!!!!!
    1. your1970
      your1970 22 January 2018 13: 54
      0
      so they did NOT recognize the aggressor !! only 70 people voted in the Verkhovna Rada for such a formula ....
  6. fa2998
    fa2998 18 January 2018 17: 27
    13
    You know, we have nothing to boast about, and the essence of our news (both on TV and here) is such- we find a country with problems, and we begin: and the rate of their candy wrappers is already 100 million dollars, and domestic debt is estimated at trillion., Someone gas lost 100500 billion, many have unemployment, hunger, tornadoes, crashes and more. pln. In general, we pull out the negative, and our "successes" are lost against the backdrop of foreign troubles. Again the blacks do not eat up!
    I'm tired! angry hi
    1. user1212
      user1212 19 January 2018 05: 14
      +1
      Oh how. But what brings you to this article? The name "Gas rout of Ukraine: how much Kiev lost in the gas war with Russia" is consistent with the content. Why did you read it if you’re "tired"?
  7. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 18 January 2018 18: 04
    14
    Here "analytics" is not from the word "analysis".
    Quote: “Also, as a result of the gas war, Kiev will be forced to lose almost all gas transit after 2019, which will give another minus about 2-3 billion dollars a year. This is a direct result of the construction of Russia’s Nord Stream-2, which probably wasn’t if it weren’t for “war” (c)
    First, someone explain this grief to the expert that at the moment there is no "built" Nord Stream-2 ".
    Secondly, today even the investors of this project have not been finally determined. It’s generally not clear whether the shares will be financed with European gas giants, or whether they will have to seek the funds themselves. And it will not be realistic to find for yourself under the conditions of the construction of the Power of Siberia, the second string of Bovanenkovo-Ukhta, the second stage of Sabetta, the Turkish Stream and a number of projects.
    Thirdly, even if a miracle happens and this year permission will be given to build, for which no prerequisites are visible, we simply will not have time to physically build everything by the end of 2019. And therefore, transit through Ukraine will continue afterwards.
    In general, reading these opuses from the participant of the first Maidan and formerly broad patriot of Ukraine, Mr. Podalyaki, you are simply surprised how quickly people’s opinions are changing
    1. Curious
      Curious 18 January 2018 19: 26
      +5
      Renegade what you want. He changed his pants backwards and has already changed his political orientation. I don’t understand why such people are needed there, if nobody needs them here. Or how much news about Ukraine do you need, that scribblers can’t cope and throw everything into battle?
  8. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 19: 21
    10
    Well done! Scrupulously calculated how much Ukraine has lost. But! If someone loses, then surely someone finds “I’m embarrassed to ask what an ordinary Russian found in this case? After all, the gas that Ukraine did not buy“ cheaply ”, Gazprom sold to Europe,“ expensively. ”The difference to whom did it go? How much I understand that gas has not become cheaper for the Russian consumer?
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 January 2018 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
      Well done! Scrupulously calculated how much Ukraine has lost. But! If someone loses, then surely someone finds “I’m embarrassed to ask what an ordinary Russian found in this case? After all, the gas that Ukraine did not buy“ cheaply ”, Gazprom sold to Europe,“ expensively. ”The difference to whom did it go? How much I understand that gas has not become cheaper for the Russian consumer?

      Correctly posed question. Gazprom specifically and Russia (its citizens) in general, have lost no less than Ukraine. But here talking about it is not comme il faut.
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    1. Puma
      Puma 18 January 2018 23: 06
      +6
      The biggest tragedy of Ukraine is that it seems to it that it is. As soon as she no longer imagines autonomy, everything will be fine with her. Already repeatedly tested empirically.
  10. evaee
    evaee 18 January 2018 19: 24
    +4
    What is the world with Ukraine ?! What is the author of game writing here when Kiev officially declared Russia an aggressor!?
    1. Angler
      Angler 20 January 2018 15: 06
      0
      Yesterday. If the memory does not change.
  11. Eflintuk
    Eflintuk 18 January 2018 19: 27
    +3
    The question is simple - the court awarded 2 billion, and how much did Russia assess its losses in filing a lawsuit? And then rubbish is written again, according to which Ukraine had long had to cease to exist.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 January 2018 21: 23
      0
      Quote: EFLINTuk
      The question is simple - the court awarded 2 billion, and how much did Russia assess its losses in filing a lawsuit?

      In 56 billion dollars !!!
      1. Antares
        Antares 20 January 2018 11: 15
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        In 56 billion dollars !!!

        by the way, the mandatory payment in cases of the most successful scenario was estimated at more than 1 billion. Even before the verdict, Ukrainian experts spoke out that it would be necessary to pay this billion, so the judges for Ukraine could not bear the most successful scenario.
  12. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 18 January 2018 19: 30
    +3
    If SP-2 has already been built, then someone brazenly clamped a banquet on the occasion of its opening. And to attract the decline in metallurgy to gas, this (hereinafter unprintable)
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 20 January 2018 14: 29
      0
      decline in metallurgy to gas, this (hereinafter unprintable)
      I found another recession - the whole oil industry !! goes bankrupt IF PLASTIC PACKAGES BAN
      let’s give each family a helicopter for the automobile industry
  13. 97110
    97110 18 January 2018 19: 35
    +5
    So, in Ukrainian industry, we have a loss of about 10 billion dollars.
    I’m embarrassed to ask, loss is how? Is it a loss? Is this lost revenue from sales? Or is it just an expert assessment, not expressed in terms of accounting? Or is it still ineffable, well, like melancholy sadness?
  14. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 18 January 2018 20: 34
    0
    Quote: EFLINTuk
    The question is simple - the court awarded 2 billion, and how much did Russia assess its losses in filing a lawsuit? And then rubbish is written again, according to which Ukraine had long had to cease to exist.

    The main issues of the lawsuit were not in debt, but in the fact that Ukraine stopped (in violation of the contract) buying gas from Russia directly at a favorable price to the Russian Federation. Now it will be forced again. And this is for 5 years at about 10 lard per year. Not bad, is it? And even those 2 lard plus about 600 million penalties.
    1. Puma
      Puma 18 January 2018 23: 09
      0
      Sorry, but from whom did Slovakia buy gas for Ukraine? Or was the price for Slovakia lower?
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 January 2018 21: 30
      0
      Quote: Sergeant71
      The main issues of the lawsuit were not in debt, but in the fact that Ukraine stopped (in violation of the agreement) buying gas from Russia directly at a favorable price to the Russian Federation. Now it will be forced again. And this is for 5 years approximately 10 lard per year. Not bad, is it?

      The principle itself is valid. Naftogaz will be required to annually from 2018 year select and pay 5 billion cubic meters of gas (and this will still be adjusted). BUT, the conversation was originally about compulsory procurement 52 billion cubic meters !!! In addition, Naftogaz will have to work on a take-or-pay basis. just two years - In 2019, the contract expires.
      At the same time, the "favorable price" about which you write, as indicated even in this article, is really beneficial to Ukraine.
      All that Gazprom has achieved in court is that they will pay for the gas delivered to 2014. So it was originally clear !!! The lawsuit was on 56 billion dollars of lost profits !!!
      Mikhail Krutikhin (RusEnergy partner): the lawsuit ended in favor of Naftogaz. At whatever point I look, everywhere the requirements of Gazprom were not satisfied. It is no coincidence that Gazprom took time to come up with beautiful formulations to prove that our defeat is our victory. "
  15. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 18 January 2018 20: 37
    +3
    Quote: Curious
    Renegade what you want. He changed his pants backwards and has already changed his political orientation. I don’t understand why such people are needed there, if nobody needs them here. Or how much news about Ukraine do you need, that scribblers can’t cope and throw everything into battle?

    But I don’t understand why to publish this shusher time after time here? Solid amateurish nonsense, based in general it is not clear what.
    1. Curious
      Curious 18 January 2018 23: 52
      +1
      Or maybe this is the main point? Demand is stable for merchants.
  16. gladcu2
    gladcu2 18 January 2018 22: 33
    +1
    A coup of 14 years in Ukraine was to make an aggressor from Russia.

    Europe should have seen this "aggression" and halt economic integration with Russia.

    The United States, which has an incredibly large debt and the likelihood of falling into the global systemic crisis of capitalism, had to replace Russia for Europe. This is about 500 billion dollars in annual turnover.

    Such a multi-way, according to Western experts, was supposed to stop the third meter or dollar fall, as the main world currency.

    According to Western experts, there is also a moral debt of Europe to the United States. This is a duty after the implementation of the Marshall Plan, to restore Europe after centuries2.

    All events in Ukraine should be considered only in light of the above.

    By the way, the promises to ukrobomzh, the opportunity to have visa-free in search of unwashed foreign toilets, a little aroused distrust.
    To raise motivation, the next illusion is called the Marshall Plan 2.0 for Ukraine. Noodles must have ears to dry evenly.

    Well, about the debt of the United States.

    The economic system needs to be changed. Without this, US debt will only grow.
  17. Lexus
    Lexus 19 January 2018 02: 22
    0
    Gas defeat of Ukraine: how much Kiev lost in the gas war with Russia

    If only our "hucksters" did not rush to settle relations.
  18. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 19 January 2018 04: 36
    +1
    Quote: Cougar
    Sorry, but from whom did Slovakia buy gas for Ukraine? Or was the price for Slovakia lower?

    I bought from us. Then reselling to Ukraine and having on it its legal percentage. The price for a number of countries in Eastern Europe is lower due to competition of Norwegian natural gas. Slovaks simply increased the share of purchases from Gazprom for themselves under Ukraine.
  19. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 19 January 2018 05: 55
    0
    Nekhay Ukraine trochs frozen. Chill is not a little thing - it will quickly give your mind. He who freezes does not act up and does not dissemble.