The Foreign Ministry called the conditions for the construction of the second string of "Turkish Stream"

The second thread of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline will be built only upon receipt of firm guarantees from the European Commission, Russia is ready to discuss the routes, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

Turkish Stream ", which can be extended to Europe, while only the first thread, is being built directly for consumers in Turkey. And the second one will be built only if we receive reinforced concrete guarantees of the European Commission that they will not throw out the same number as it happened to the South flow "in respect of Bulgaria, which is now again ready to consider taking to itself the second thread of the" Turkish Stream "

- Lavrov said at the annual big press conference.

We will be ready for any option, but the option that will be 100% guaranteed by the European Commission, as one that will not be derailed

- the minister added.

Commenting on US opposition to energy projects in the Russian Federation, Lavrov once again stressed that "fear of fair competition is visible here."

As long as they do not pull fair competition, they move to unfair competition, to political pressure, to force European countries to build relevant facilities (to receive American liquefied natural gas) and to receive more expensive gas. This is a choice of European countries, we proceed from the fact that they themselves must understand their economic interests.

said the Russian foreign minister.

Within the framework of the “Turkish Stream”, it was assumed that two strands of the gas pipeline along the bottom of the Black Sea should be built. According to one of them, gas from Russia will go to Turkey, and according to the second - in transit through Turkey to Europe. The first thread is expected to be launched in the spring of 2018.

Comments

[izya top]

the West never abides by treaties that are beneficial to others. They will find a bunch of reasons to refuse to fulfill when the other party fulfills its obligations

[Doubting]

What agreement would be with the West on the Turkish stream? There were preliminary agreements with Erdogan and all ...

[Vladimir16]

Bulgaria, which is now again ready to consider accepting the second string of the Turkish Stream

An interesting twist. Turkish stream smoothly turns into a Bulgarian stream (formerly southern)
And it says so, by the way.
And what will the Turks who wanted to steer gas for Europe say? But what about the hub in Turkey for gas transit to Europe?
And Erdogan, in the end, in the know about such a turn?

[midivan]

Why pull out of context? It’s clearly written there

[/ quote] And the second one will be built only if we receive reinforced concrete guarantees of the European Commission, that they will not throw out the same number as happened with the South Stream regarding Bulgaria, which is now again ready to consider accepting the second thread of the Turkish Stream [quote]

And if Bulgaria is ready to accept, the question remains - are you ready to work with it?

[midivan]

Quote: Vladimir16

And what will the Turks who wanted to steer gas for Europe say? But what about the hub in Turkey for gas transit to Europe?
And Erdogan, in the end, in the know about such a turn?

The Turks will say thank you, no one will give them a steer, no matter how much they would not like, no, of course you can steer when they themselves start mining

[Monos]

It would be better not to have these guarantees. Non-renewable hydrocarbon resources will come in handy. Descendants say thank you.

[Lexus]

Some, alas, do not want to understand this and live by the principle "after us - at least a flood."

[marlin1203]

And now you "eat" what will you?

[Lexus]

I do not see in my budget at least some increase from the sale of natural resources. I pay for the consumed gas myself, no one refills the car for free, products “for beautiful eyes” do not bring. The fact that the PFR allegedly feeds from these revenues only means that the money was squandered there. What am I to worry about for the Sechins with the Millers and others? Do they swell from hunger?

[bk316]

Well, one and a half trillion rubles of taxes to the budgets of all levels per year only from Gazprom is so penny.
Oh yes you are a LEXUS. Well, especially for you, is this money since budget money is also a multiplier - did you hear that word?

[just exp]

But what do you want from the State Department bot that registered here a month ago?
Do you think there is a connection about "they are stealing in the country, we won’t go to die for billions of Abramovich, Putin must leave" and the elections in 2018?
after the election, they (truth-seekers, guardians for the Rassian people) will leave us for 6 years.

[Monos]

Quote: just explo

and what did you want from the State Department bot

In vain you immediately hang a stigma to a person. For example, I, too, worry about the thoughtless use of planetary resources by civilization.

[just exp]

I worry too, but not together with people who began to massively regress before the elections and everyone has a speech like picking, how they worry about ordinary people, how dissatisfied they are with corruption in the Russian Federation (they were silent in the 90s, and even Kasyanova was dismissed from Switzerland and otmazyvayut still) and how to start living in a new way. kakly already healed, then more.

[Monos]

Quote: just explo

but not along with people who began to massively regiment before the election

I can not disagree with this. But, nevertheless, not all wasp bees.

[Lexus]

The one who points out your flaws is not always your enemy; whoever speaks of your virtues is not always your friend. (c) Chinese proverb

The full labeling does not do honor to anyone.

PS Kasyanov and his kind Makarevichs with dog dogs would gladly “soap” himself with pleasure.

[Lexus]

In vain you immediately hang a stigma to a person.

Thank you!

[Monos]

Quote: bk316

Well, one and a half trillion rubles of taxes to the budgets of all levels per year only from Gazprom is so penny.

There is no dispute - filling the budget and jobs is good. But! It would be better if the budget was filled from the sale of products of advanced hydrocarbon processing. And it would be even better if these hydrocarbons were not stupidly burned for heating and in the internal combustion engine. But, as long as they have reserves, no one will seek and develop appropriate technologies. Alas...

[Lexus]

But! It would be better if the budget was filled from the sale of products of advanced hydrocarbon processing.

The vast majority of produced and promising composites are of hydrocarbon origin. And, unfortunately, not all of them can be recycled. The price of primary resources can become prohibitive over time.
Forced donation is a very bad way to make a living.

[Monos]

Quote: lexus

The price of primary resources can become prohibitive over time.

Will definitely become. Resources (oil) were formed in millions of years, and spent (gasoline) in minutes.

[insular]

Quote: Monos

Will definitely become. Resources (oil) were formed in millions of years, and spent (gasoline) in minutes.

It is a pity that so few people understand this, especially those who defend the current barbaric sale of raw materials with foam at the mouth, not even in the form of fuel for burning, namely raw materials, at a price cheaper than water.

[faiver]

the point is that gas is a by-product of oil production so it’s better to sell

[insular]

Quote: faiver

the point is that gas is a by-product of oil production so it’s better to sell

Sometimes it's better to be silent ...
Natural gas and associated petroleum gas are not at all the same thing.
And just the associated petroleum gas, which as a by-product of oil production, is burned directly on the ground (although a lot of various regulations have been issued on the disposal of such fractions recently), since it is difficult to use it even in the process of oil production (in gas lift systems, PPD, etc.). n.), since there is a mountain of technological limitations due to its component composition.

And God forbid you, to say that gas from gas caps is a by-product from oil production, because it is a separate product, only with a common location within the reservoir / deposit / field ...

With the same success, it can be stated that a sister is a by-product at the birth of a brother.

[antivirus]

Tour Stream 2 must be built directly to Poland. and guarantee a fair, non-discriminatory and good neighborly price, as Washington points out.

[Geisenberg]

It is unlikely that such guarantees exist. The partner is not very negotiable due to weakness, and in some places an elementary lack of a head.

[Doubting]

Can someone explain this whole thing to me somehow?
The Russians mean food sanctions, and the Turks and Europeans our gas, and even a gas pipeline with our money?

[just exp]

Damn, the State Department generally decided to save that they take bots very illiterate. not only are they scorching with fresh registration, and everyone sees that this is another pre-election American bot, they are not friends at all with their heads.
sir, would you at least first strain the gray matter and think, and the money from the sale of gas will go to countries that have imposed sanctions or to the budget of the country that produced it and built the gas pipeline?

[Zubr]

Right, quite reasonable arguments. They think that once again they all get away with it? If you want a disch gas, behave yourself, we don’t need losses from your cockroaches, star-striped ...

[DEDPIHTO]

We will be ready for any option, but the option that will be 100% guaranteed by the European Commission, as one that will not be derailed
Cash deposit for the cost of the second thread is the best guarantee ..

[just exp]

from Europeans? even if they didn’t want to throw, they still wouldn’t give any collateral b. and then at the risk that Uncle Sam will come and give a kick for such a chance to lose the bail paragraph is high. so who in their right mind would give such a pledge?

[DEDPIHTO]

The problem of choice, it is eternal .. either Uncle Sam with expensive liquefied gas, or a pledge but cheap natural gas, there is nothing to stand on ceremony with them. We have been trying to cut open a window to Europe with curtsy, but we need to cut through an ax, these tolerant people only respect force.

[just exp]

why does a European politician need cheap gas without a well-paid position?
they think that it will be better to gas 2 times more expensive, but he will have money for this gas and gas in expensive champagne. than everyone will have cheap gas, and he will have a prison jail.
for all European politicians under a cap and at all there is some kind of incriminating evidence.

[DEDPIHTO]

This is all clear, but the street beggar of our great country does not look comme il faut .. Give guarantees at least a little, ugh shame, raw materials government, their mother ...

[Doubting]

All this fuss reminds me of a saying -
They are at the door, and we are at the window

[Stirbjorn]

Well, there is no branch to Europe, at the moment, but only to Turkey, so there is no refusal of Ukrainian transit at the moment! Doubtful success comes out, this Turkish stream

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Well, there is no branch to Europe, at the moment, but only to Turkey, so there is no refusal of Ukrainian transit at the moment! Doubtful success comes out, this Turkish stream

Failure or a significant reduction in gas transit is planned for the end of the 2019 year.
For your information: The pipeline will have a length of about 1100 kilometers, of which 910 kilometers will be an offshore pipeline.
It will consist of four lines with a total capacity of 63 bcm of gas per year:
the first line, with a capacity of 15,75 billion m³ per year, is intended for gas supplies to Turkish consumers (and is designed to connect to existing gas pipelines in Turkey from Greece, but actual use is possible in reverse mode).
The first string is scheduled to be commissioned in March 2018.
the second line, with a capacity of 15,75 billion m³ per year, is intended for gas supply to the countries of Southern and Southeast Europe. Commissioning of the second string is expected in the 2019 year.
As of November 29, November 2017, 30% (555 kilometers) of two lines of the offshore section of the pipeline were laid, while work is already underway in the exclusive economic zone of Turkey.
offsite: http://turkstream.info/ru/press/news/2017/170/

Pipelayer vessel:
Pioneering Spirit is the largest vessel in the world for the installation, dismantling and transportation of offshore drilling platforms, as well as for laying underwater pipelines.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneering_Spirit
ship position in December:


and a “snack” contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz Ukrainy from 19.01. 2009 expires on December 31 of the 2019 of the year - this will be the time "H".
Full text of the contract:
http://www.compromat.ru/page_23857.htm

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: iaroslav.mudryi

the second line, with a capacity of 15,75 billion m³ per year, is intended for gas supply to the countries of Southern and Southeast Europe. Commissioning of the second string is expected in the 2019 year.
As of November 29, November 2017, 30% (555 kilometers) of two lines of the offshore section of the pipeline were laid, while work is already underway in the exclusive economic zone of Turkey.

What is the second thread, if Lavrov said that while it is not being built up to EU guarantees, is he lying to you?

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Stirbjorn

What is the second thread, if Lavrov said that while it is not being built up to EU guarantees, is he lying to you?

No, Lavrov is not lying, saying reinforced concrete guarantees from the EC for the construction of the second branch of the gas pipeline to Europe - there will be no guarantees, there will be no second branch. But the "devil", as they say, in details not voiced by Lavrov. So:

“On November 4 on November 2017, the first line of the Turkish Stream offshore gas pipeline entered the Turkish Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Pioneering Spirit, the world's largest pipe-laying and construction vessel, celebrated this event by laying pipe sections with Russian and Turkish flags symbolizing the intersection in the sea the border of the EEZ between the two countries. Crossing the border also marks the end of the construction of offshore sections of two lines on the territory of the Russian EEZ. A total of 448 kilometers were laid along two lines of the gas pipeline. Less eat for months 6 built almost 25% of the sea area. This is consistent with the planned schedule of construction. This is consistent with the planned schedule of construction. It is expected that the transport of gas by "Turkish Stream" will begin in December 2019 years. "
Source: http://turkstream.info/ru/press/news/2017/170/

The construction of the first pipe for Turkey continues at the moment already in the Turkish EEZ, the second pipe for Europe is already at the bottom and its end is plugged in the Turkish EEZ (see figure) and is waiting for “reinforced concrete guarantees” from the EC.
In December 2019, the contract for the transportation of gas to Europe (by the way to Turkey, too) through Ukraine ends. (http://www.compromat.ru/page_23857.htm)
What are the actions of Russia?

For your information: “... Turkey purchases from Russia about 27 — 29 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year. About half is transported through the Blue Stream, the other part is transported via the Trans-Balkan gas pipeline through Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria. In this way, one of the goals of the gas pipeline is to stop gas supplies to Turkey through Ukrainethat, provided that the Nord Stream - 2 gas pipeline or the second phase of the Turkish Stream is commissioned, will allow to achieve the goal officially announced by the Government of the Russian Federation - to stop the transit of gas through the territory of Ukraine by 2019».

[iaroslav.mudryi]

For clarity, here are the schemes of the existing gas pipelines from Russia to Turkey (and those under construction, with the exception of the South Stream):

[just exp]

Doesn’t lead to the Nord Stream to Europe?

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Well, there is no branch to Europe, at the moment, but only to Turkey

Well, you need to feed the fish first. They will catch it later.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I’m interested in another question, when will we be able to use the public domain, but for now only firewood and coal

[Denis Obukhov]

Yes, let them buy American, with the smell of freedom. And liquefy your own and carry anywhere.

[Ural resident]

The question is - our sun-refractors will refuse to supply gas through Ukraine in 19 - as promised. If it’s tough - yes, then Europe itself will help with the flows - no one will forbid living warmly and cheaper.

[fa2998]

Well, I really don’t know what Turkey should do so that we would have laid an additional pipe. The first line we started laying when the Turks shot down our plane, killed several servicemen and the Russian ambassador! Maybe the ship will sink!
Turkey will never be our friend. Here gas will go to them, we will cry, there will be separate conditions, requirements, etc.

[just exp]

in politics there is no place for emotions and grievances, otherwise we also saved the sultan from the coup.
because it’s better that the old enemy becomes an ally than we will cut with the old enemy in unequal conditions until death.

[Doubting]

According to the Turkish flow ... in the wet dreams of Gazprom there were 4 threads of 15 billion cubic meters each, which totaled about 60 billion a year.
So far, one branch has been agreed upon very, very tentatively for Turkey itself, the second is in question, it still needs to be earned, bending as far as possible under Erdogan. About 2 and 4 threads, the question no longer arises.
For reference, transit through Ukraine in 2016 was 83 billion cubic meters.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Doubting

.... So far, a very, very preliminary one branch has been agreed for Turkey itself, the second is in question ....

for information: "November 4 2017: The Turkish Stream gas pipeline entered the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Turkey. Construction completed both threads gas pipeline in the Russian EEZ. "
"... The gas supplied via the first line is destined for the Turkish market. Second thread will go towards the border of Turkey with the EU. "
Source: http://turkstream.info/ru/press/news/2017/170/

[Doubting]

The second string will go towards the border of Turkey with the EU. "

Quote: iaroslav.mudryi

The second string will go towards the border of Turkey with the EU. "

She will go, but who will take her?
If I understood correctly, we built a pipe to nowhere, laid a second thread without any guarantees? Why then Lavrov’s concern, because it’s already built?

[Town Hall]

Quote: Doubting

The second string will go towards the border of Turkey with the EU. "

Quote: iaroslav.mudryi

The second string will go towards the border of Turkey with the EU. "

She will go, but who will take her?
If I understood correctly, we built a pipe to nowhere, laid a second thread without any guarantees? Why then Lavrov’s concern, because it’s already built?

Understood correctly .. another HPP

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Doubting

If I understood correctly, we built a pipe to nowhere, laid a second thread without any guarantees? Why then Lavrov’s concern, because it’s already built?

The first link (224km) of the second branch of the gas pipeline has already been withdrawn to the Turkish EEZ and will wait for the continuation of the laying, if it does not happen by 2019, the pipe at the bottom will be mothballed. I would venture to suggest why the Russian Federation so quickly built and brought out the end of the pipe in the Turkish EEZ? The United States last year announced that since 2018, they intend to impose sanctions on Western companies (American and European) that cooperate with Russian companies. Companies participating in the Turkish stream:
1. South Stream Transport BV (100 Percentage Subsidiary of Gazprom)
2. BOTAS - State Pipeline Company of Turkey
3. Allseas Group SA - Swiss offshore pipeline contractor
4. Eni SpA - the largest Italian oil and gas company
So, if the states click on the Swiss (they have a contract with Gazprom for laying a pipe) for cooperation with the Russian Federation, mechanisms can be involved in renegotiating a contract for laying a pipe directly with the Turks (BOTAS) and in this case the pipe is already on the Turkish bottom and further laying formally passes through the territory of Turkey - circumvention of sanctions!

[iaroslav.mudryi]

The world's largest pipe layer Pioneering Spirit

....and further:
"February 22 2017 between Nord Stream 2 AG and Allseas An agreement was concluded to provide capacities for the offshore pipe-laying of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. According to the agreement During 2018 and 2019, Allseas will lay pipes for both pipelines using three pipe-laying vessels - Pioneering Spirit, Solitaire and Audacia."

[alexmach]

With such a condition, it never will be.