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Pilot of crashed Su-27 in Kazakhstan sentenced to 4 of the year

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The military court of Taldykorgan garrison (Kazakhstan) convicted the pilot of the Su-27 fighter who crashed in December 2016, reports Interfax report of the court press service.


Pilot of crashed Su-27 in Kazakhstan sentenced to 4 of the year


According to the information, the major was “found guilty of violating flight rules and preparing for them (Art. 464 of the Criminal Code of the Republic) and sentenced to imprisonment for the year 4 with serving a sentence in a minimum security institution and depriving him of the right to occupy positions and engage in activities related to flights, preparation for them and operation of military aircraft for a period of 4 year. "

The court found that 21 December 2016, Major I., violating the rules of flights and training for them, not checking the refueling of the Su-27 aircraft, took the plane and took off. In flight, due to the small amount of fuel in the plane, instruments signaling an emergency fuel balance triggered. However, in violation of the current flight regulations, the pilot, questioning the accuracy of these instruments, gave incorrect information to the flight director about his fuel balance is higher than it was in reality,
says release.

It is reported that the actions of the soldier "led to a difficult flight situation, which turned into an emergency, with the stop of the right and left engine due to the end of the fuel." After that, the pilot ejected, and the plane, colliding with the ground, collapsed.

"According to the results of the consideration of the criminal case by the court, the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan issued a private decision on the causes and conditions that contributed to the commission of I. of a criminal offense," the press service added.

As the agency clarified, 21 December 2016 of the year, the Su-25 plane of the 27 military unit of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan suffered a crash at night in about 21751 km from Taldykorgan. The pilot managed to take the fighter from the village, after which he ejected.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 January 2018 12: 09
    23
    sentenced to 4 years in prison
    The pilot violated the instructions by conducting a formal inspection of the aircraft. But why did the technician (s) not report that the plane was not refueled? It is clear that an expensive aircraft was destroyed, but Kazakhstan has a lot of extra pilots?
    1. Going
      Going 15 January 2018 12: 16
      16
      Pilots piece and expensive goods may not agree on something.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 15 January 2018 12: 54
        +5
        Quote: Going
        maybe they don’t finish something.

        maybe he wanted to steal her? and really, everything is very muddy
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 15 January 2018 12: 57
          +2
          At the expense of the technique is unknown, maybe he was soldered in all severity.
          Incomprehensible situation.
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 15 January 2018 17: 19
            0
            and the plane, colliding with the ground, collapsed.

            Where do the "writers" find them?
            Flew, flew a plane, and collided in flight with the ground! wassat
      2. Rusfaner
        Rusfaner 15 January 2018 13: 11
        12
        Exactly! The pilot was convinced that if there was kerosene yesterday, today it should be in place. But those who tyril and steal the fuel laughed and the NKVD to them in interlocutors ...
        1. Going
          Going 15 January 2018 13: 14
          +3
          And what about the service technician? there are questions of the car.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 15 January 2018 13: 51
            +1
            Quote: Going
            And what about the service technician? there questions wagon

            Or maybe they used a "specific technique" and asked a "car of questions" ??? what
      3. yehat
        yehat 16 January 2018 15: 10
        0
        This is Kazakhstan. there the price of the pilot is far from everything. as is the degree of guilt.
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 15 January 2018 12: 18
      24
      And if this is a pilot on duty couple? should he also conduct a preflight check after an alarm? In my opinion some kind of nonsense. This is the technician’s business. And at least everyone who was responsible for preflight training should sit next to the pilot. How should all this happen according to the instructions? Pilots tell
      1. figwam
        figwam 15 January 2018 12: 27
        +3
        Mess ....
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon 16 January 2018 00: 09
          +5
          Quote: figvam
          Mess ....

          The pilot, when the alarm (voice informant) was triggered, had to stop the mission and return to the nearest airfield. The flight manager should display the remaining fuel on board. Many are to blame for this flight accident. There is no such thing in aviation that one is to blame, always, always the reason is a complex sloppiness: one did not look, the other did not control, the third did not conduct pre-flight briefing, etc., etc.
      2. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 15 January 2018 12: 41
        +3
        Technicians are technicians, but there isn’t a fuel arrow on the panel in an airplane, the pilot does not look in the hatch. IF everything is as described, this is a gross omission. Not ready to discuss the punishment.
        It is still necessary to look, who is the pilot, who are the technicians, who are the commanders.
        1. victorsh
          victorsh 15 January 2018 12: 59
          13
          No offense to the Kazakhs. But most of the pilots are Russian, and the commanders are Kazakhs. I know from joint exercises. We draw conclusions.
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            1. yehat
              yehat 16 January 2018 15: 12
              +1
              the military unit and the aerobatic team are not the same thing.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 15 January 2018 13: 12
            +3
            They even contracted Russian pilots for the Su-27 - this type was not in the Kazakh SSR, but now the situation is different. This pilot is a Kazakh, Adilbek Iskakov, major. hi
            1. victorsh
              victorsh 15 January 2018 13: 37
              11
              Yes, I am not opposed. Only nationalism in Kazakhstan is abruptly dill in Ukraine. The Russians began to be squeezed out from the 90's. And there is no need to talk about internationalism. I have several Russian-Kazakhs on the shift.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 15 January 2018 13: 52
                +5
                Victor, do not compare with the 90s - 20 years have passed. Go to the website of the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan - this community-state. the organization is just dealing with interethnic. by consent in KZ - the rights of all 130 nationalities in the Republic of Kazakhstan are protected. The ANC has 9 seats in parliament and the right to veto any law. hi
                There is always a place for nationalism in any kitchen, but they will not allow it to be brought to the KZ for it.
                1. yehat
                  yehat 16 January 2018 15: 17
                  +1
                  stop talking nonsense. formally, this may be so, but in practice everything is different.
                  I read HOW it is easy to enter a university not for Kazakhs. I talked with Russians, who are constantly being squeezed from managerial or money-managing posts. I am familiar with at least 9 Russian refugees from Kazakhstan, who had a comfortable, quiet life under the USSR, but they lost everything. Finally, I hear many stories from today's business and nationalism has not diminished.
                  1. Giants
                    Giants 16 January 2018 23: 56
                    +1
                    Oh Kazakhstan! 1979-1990. Mangyshlak, the city of New Uzen. The summer of 1989. Curfew, Vovan conscripts, and before that a couple of days of wild pogroms. Since 1990, I have not seen a single living Kazakh (left), thank God for the little joys!
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 16: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Kasym
                  There is always a place for nationalism in any kitchen, but they will not allow it to be brought to the KZ for it.

                  Yes you are right
                  but the problem is that you are not persecuted nationalism
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                1. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 15 January 2018 14: 57
                  12
                  Quote: Zalym
                  Russians hate Kazakhs.

                  You’re talking nonsense. hi
                  1. Zalym
                    Zalym 15 January 2018 15: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey KZ
                    You’re talking nonsense.


                    More concerned with immigrants from Kazakhstan, of course.
                2. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 15 January 2018 16: 39
                  +8
                  Quote: Zalym
                  There is no internationalism — Russians hate Kazakhs. hi

                  Rave. It looks like paid nonsense.
                3. Skifotavr
                  Skifotavr 15 January 2018 18: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Zalym
                  There is no internationalism — Russians hate Kazakhs. hi

                  No, you hate everyone, fucking racists, fascists and kosher psychopaths.
                4. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 16 January 2018 04: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Zalym
                  Russians hate Kazakhs.

                  Let's just say that they do not like it, and only after 91, but the reasons for this should be asked from the Kazakhs themselves, who suddenly imagined themselves to be "heirs of the empire of Genghis Khan."
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                    1. Orionvit
                      Orionvit 16 January 2018 08: 42
                      +5
                      Quote: Zalym
                      In fact, they always hated it. Just now they are afraid to express it openly. Well, the Kazakhs are really the heirs of the empire of Genghis Khan

                      Well, how to talk to you? You throw out your personal national complexes and megalomania on the Russians, and then you blame them for all sins. The infectious ukrosamostiosti virus went wild? Himself at least not disgusting?
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                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Zalym
                      In fact, they always hated it.

                      how old are you?!
                      just in childhood, I had a Kazakh friend with whom we somehow fought back to back from the crowd
                      Quote: Zalym
                      Just now they are afraid to express it openly.

                      but like you, I’ll always say don’t be famously, you’ll have to run until China
                      Quote: Zalym
                      But the Kazakhs are indeed the heirs of the empire of Genghis Khan, as well as the Tatars, Nogais, Krymchaks, etc.

                      then all the heirs of the empire, only you are not the most successful
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 16 January 2018 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        but like you, I’ll always say don’t be famously, you’ll have to run until China


                        How do you like that? Where did you manage to run to the Kaliningrad region? laughing

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        how old are you?!
                        just in childhood, I had a Kazakh friend with whom we somehow fought back to back from the crowd


                        I am very interested in your childhood adventures. True.

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        then all the heirs of the empire, only you are not the most successful


                        lol Compared to the rest, they are quite successful. At least there is a state.
                    3. yehat
                      yehat 16 January 2018 15: 18
                      +1
                      there was no hatred in the USSR for the Kazakhs. I had 2 Kazakh friends, 1 Armenian, 1 Ukrainian
                      but I remember that many Russians living in Kazakhstan did not like the archaic habits of Kazakhs like washing with milk or washing sheep in the bathroom ..
                      1. romb
                        romb 16 January 2018 16: 28
                        +1
                        What the ... did you write?))
                        Then you can safely write that they learned this from you. We saw how Russian pigs bathe in the baths.
                5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Zalym
                  There is no internationalism — Russians hate Kazakhs.

                  fool
                  not Kazakhs, but mambets
                  complete understanding with Kazakhs
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                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 13: 38
                      0
                      and what is nationalism?
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 16 January 2018 13: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and what is nationalism?


                        Those. in the division into Kazakhs and mambets there is nothing like that?
                  2. romb
                    romb 16 January 2018 16: 29
                    0
                    Exactly..
                    The same thing is about burlamans))
              3. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 15 January 2018 15: 36
                +4
                Quote: victorsh
                Only nationalism in Kazakhstan abruptly ukropovsky. The Russians began to "squeeze out" from the 90s.

                Nationalism is everywhere, but in the CA you will not find anyone closer to the Kazakhs.
              4. NF68
                NF68 15 January 2018 20: 39
                +2
                Quote: victorsh
                Russians began to "squeeze" with 90's


                Somewhere, for example, in the south of Kazakhstan, they began to press not only Russians, but generally all “pale-faced” back in the 60's. Not all Kazakhs were engaged in these matters. Among them, too, are not a few normal people. But the nationalists, too, were, and it was they who began to stir up.
          3. Qazaq 1974
            Qazaq 1974 1 June 2018 13: 38
            0
            everything is already wrong.
            1. NF68
              NF68 1 June 2018 16: 06
              0
              Quote: Qazaq 1974
              everything is already wrong.


              I want to believe it. I’ve been 17 years since my left Kazakhstan and not my family to return there, not my many relatives are not going to.
              1. Qazaq 1974
                Qazaq 1974 1 June 2018 21: 18
                0
                Please do not come! but I'm not going to you! I'm in Dubai !!!!
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 January 2018 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        And if it's a pilot on duty couple? what should he also conduct a preflight check after an alarm? belay In my opinion some kind of nonsense. fool This is the technician's business.

        That's it !
      4. sir_obs
        sir_obs 15 January 2018 14: 22
        +4
        Xs, as there are pilots, we, taking the submarine when changing the duty on the ship, fully personally checked the lope of what and how. And measurements of insulation resistance in circuits and the density of batteries and lope oil and fuel and so on. You go into the compartment, unscrew the neck and look at the ruler, as in a car in practice. And you write everything in the journal. I wrote it down, signed it, you bear full responsibility.
        In addition, in those days it was fashionable to fuel and sell fuel, so it was very important not to go crazy.
        1. yehat
          yehat 16 January 2018 15: 23
          0
          the plane is not a boat. Before the task, not days, but minutes. it’s impossible to verify everything, although
          I, as a student of flying, will never understand a pilot who does not know how much fuel before takeoff. I always need to know how much fuel to take off.
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 15 January 2018 12: 39
      +2
      As I understand it, they’ll not put him in the zone, but in the colony settlement “the establishment of a minimum security prison.” He can even live outside the colony with his family, dress in ordinary clothes, and have money. There is no protection there, supervision only by the administration. With positive behavior and compliance with the regime, they will be given parole after a while and returned to duty.
      Some kind of muddy story, because It was initially reported that due to a malfunction of the equipment, although the aircraft underwent repair and modernization recently. hi
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 13: 03
        +7
        Dauren, hello buddy! hi There is enough muddy water, as in any similar story. The result is one: the performers are suffering, not the "helmsmen." And even they are appointed “switchmen”. negative
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          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 13: 54
            +4
            A sad story, but my idea of ​​“steering” and “switchmen” may well be confirmed ...
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 15 January 2018 14: 02
              +3
              Pasha, another story from the 80s. In Lugovoi (airfield), the guard companies leave for demobilization. We decided to note and merged alcohol from the aircraft, standing on the database. Moreover, they put up a battery in which there are a lot of drags. metal.
              Here, too, someone could have fussed. If only the organizational conclusions were made. It’s good that the pilot survived.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 14: 07
                +3
                Quote: Kasym
                We decided to note and merged alcohol from the aircraft, standing on the database. Moreover, they put up a battery in which there are a lot of drags. metal.

                I won’t even comment here, because I’ll get into the bathhouse ...
              2. Captain Nemo
                Captain Nemo 15 January 2018 19: 44
                +1
                Alcohol from which system was drained? Only, dumb, do not write off Google. Maybe from the chassis racks? And the precious metals from the batteries, is it lead that was converted into gold by the alchemical route?
                1. NN52
                  NN52 15 January 2018 20: 00
                  +8
                  Captain Nemo

                  Yes, actually in silver batteries on planes ...
                  And there is a lot of alcohol and massandra in many systems ....
                  1. Achtaba1970
                    Achtaba1970 15 January 2018 23: 12
                    0
                    ATs have both acid - lead batteries (mainly on transport and helicopters) and alkaline - silver-zinc and nickel-cadmium.
                    Well, there are a lot of alcohol-containing liquids.
                    1. Cheldon
                      Cheldon 15 January 2018 23: 43
                      0
                      I can be mistaken, on the MIG-25 200 liters of alcohol went in one flight what
      2. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 15 January 2018 13: 04
        0
        I agree in almost everything. Just write about the ban on professional activities .....
      3. Zalym
        Zalym 15 January 2018 13: 10
        +2
        None of ours are there? Syban is Alibek-uly? Swamps and Semurg disappeared campaign.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 15 January 2018 14: 13
          +1
          Many who are not. hi
          1. Zalym
            Zalym 15 January 2018 14: 24
            0
            So I say so. There is no one except you and me. sad And also Siban. Is this our Alibek?
            1. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 15 January 2018 15: 03
              0
              Bay = Zimran? hi
              1. Zalym
                Zalym 15 January 2018 15: 32
                +1
                Quote: Andrey KZ
                Bay = Zimran?


                hi
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 15 January 2018 17: 25
                  +2
                  They can break through the blockade - it took me a month and a half while I settled it. So Andrei appeared with you.
                  Glad to see you. hi
                  1. Zalym
                    Zalym 15 January 2018 20: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Glad to see you.


                    Mutually hi

                    Quote: Kasym
                    They can break through the blockade - it took me a month and a half while I settled


                    The browser extension for vpn needs to be delivered.
                  2. romb
                    romb 16 January 2018 16: 50
                    0
                    Hello. Put the extension (friGate) - friGate3 for the fox) and there will be no problems. hi
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 43
          0
          Quote: Zalym
          None of ours are there?

          perished in an unequal struggle laughing
    4. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 15 January 2018 13: 08
      +2
      Rather, the pilot was punished for “In flight, due to the small amount of fuel left in the aircraft, devices that signal an emergency fuel balance were triggered. However, in violation of the applicable flight rules, the pilot, casting doubt on the reliability of these devices, gave incorrect information to the flight director about the fuel balance that was higher than in reality ". Techies also seem to me "crackers are dried," or maybe they are already nibbling.
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 15 January 2018 16: 47
        +2
        Quote: kirgiz58
        Rather, the pilot was punished for “In flight, due to the small amount of fuel left in the aircraft, devices that signal an emergency fuel balance were triggered. However, in violation of the applicable flight rules, the pilot, casting doubt on the reliability of these devices, gave incorrect information to the flight director about the fuel balance that was higher than in reality ". Techies also seem to me "crackers are dried," or maybe they are already nibbling.

        And why did the pilot lie about the availability of fuel? What incomprehensible persistence ... Why was he blocking the techie? Or maybe they sold fuel together?
        1. turbris
          turbris 15 January 2018 19: 35
          0
          He’s probably a suicide, he looked at the devices like that and suddenly he didn’t believe them - it’s just a fairy tale.
          1. BLOND
            BLOND 16 January 2018 11: 45
            0
            Quote: turbris
            He’s probably a suicide, he looked at the devices like that and suddenly he didn’t believe them - it’s just a fairy tale.

            no not a fairy tale
            A good pilot is a "robot" flying on reflexes "on a chuyka". Decision Time Lack
            Often disasters happened when the Pilot ceased to trust the instruments and believed in MYSELF ... And they lost the land ...
            1. yehat
              yehat 16 January 2018 15: 27
              0
              a good pilot on take-off without instruments will understand how much fuel is in the plane.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 16: 13
              0
              Quote: BLOND
              no not a fairy tale
              A good pilot is a "robot" flying on reflexes "on a chuyka". Decision Time Lack

              that is, I understand correctly, the pilot on takeoff looks that the fuel is at zero, but his cock says that they’ll sit down
              1. BLOND
                BLOND 16 January 2018 17: 05
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: BLOND
                no not a fairy tale
                A good pilot is a "robot" flying on reflexes "on a chuyka". Decision Time Lack

                that is, I understand correctly, the pilot on takeoff looks that the fuel is at zero, but his cock says that they’ll sit down

                And where did you read this in my post?
                No fuel I thinkhe did not look at the readings
                Human factor...
                And why did you decide that fuel is zero AT TAKEOFF?
                A million flight accident development options ...
                From the change of flight mission, what did the crew “forget to warn” about until it’s not known what
                The article simply states: the fuel is running out and the pilot is flying ...
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 16 January 2018 10: 49
          0
          I am not a pilot. But I do not believe in the take-off carried out at the mark on the 0 fuel level device. This is too much, even if we accept that the pilot was low-skilled, it was hardly possible to miss such a thing. Here, complex knowledge and skills are not required.
          But the faulty level device, it is already warmer. The pilot looks at the instruments, sees the norm in everything, and takes off. An alert starts to go, the pilot again looks at the device - everything is normal. Having more faith in the "arrow" than the "light bulb", the pilot gives out "incorrect data"
          Conclusion. The aerodrome team is untouchable, I suppose there are very “necessary” guys working there, and the pilot was merged to the mercy.
    5. Conductor
      Conductor 15 January 2018 20: 32
      +1
      Not much, one planted, the rest will not even sneeze in the yeroplan. That is, Letun was planted and the technician has nothing to do with it, but who is preparing the plane for departure? Technician
  2. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 15 January 2018 12: 09
    +6
    Kazakhstan has so many pilots that they scatter them?
    1. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 15 January 2018 12: 52
      +2
      A couple of three is possible, and if so often it happens without serious punishment, then these pilots will have nothing to fly on.
    2. avt
      avt 15 January 2018 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      Kazakhstan has so many pilots that they scatter them?

      If he really dropped the car by
      Quote: kirgiz58
      “In flight, due to the small amount of fuel remaining in the aircraft, devices that signaled an emergency fuel balance were triggered. However, in violation of the applicable flight rules, the pilot, casting doubt on the reliability of these devices, gave incorrect information to the flight director about the fuel balance that was higher than in reality. "

      own congeniality, then what? Still need to reward ?? wassat
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 15 January 2018 15: 32
        +4
        Oh well, even though I am a hunter, I know that not only one pilot is responsible for the flight. Where did the technician look? Commanders?
        And you can write a lot of things, a well-written report, especially a paper makarak from headquarters, has ruined many careers. Here is another one.
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 15 January 2018 12: 09
    0
    Saving should be economical? Is it always?
  4. Thrall
    Thrall 15 January 2018 12: 10
    +3
    In wartime, for such a shooting
    1. avt
      avt 15 January 2018 15: 05
      +4
      Quote: Thrall
      In wartime, for such a shooting

      Actually, in the Patriotic War - a penal battalion. Moreover, as a rule, they even flew in their own units, but combat sorties did not count towards them. Although there were exceptions when, after successful combat, they removed criminal records and even awarded military decorations.
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 15 January 2018 20: 35
        0
        Yeah, you still give an example of a trial))) A fine, there heaped up so that my mother does not grieve.
  5. Piramidon
    Piramidon 15 January 2018 12: 11
    +8
    A similar case was with me in Conakry (Guinea) in the mid-70s. Night with a local helicopter (MI-8) niggers merged rested and kerosene. The pilot (also local), without checking the amount of fuel, started the engines in the morning, climbed 10-15 meters and crashed. He also survived.
    1. bk316
      bk316 15 January 2018 13: 00
      +5
      Conakry (Guinea)

      In Guinea, haha ​​I had such an incident in Kolpashevo with MI-8, only without blacks.
      But with similar consequences, the crew is alive, the turntable is under cancellation.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 January 2018 13: 39
        +8
        Quote: bk316
        But with similar consequences, the crew is alive, the turntable is under cancellation.

        Exactly. And those “Papuans” had one answer - the USSR is VERY rich, he will put anything for us for the fact that we, rodebykak, support the socialist path of development. I saw enough of our vehicles there, thrown in ditches simply because the carburetor was clogged (the new ZIL-130 in ditches (even the paint didn’t peel off in the tropical climate). I saw our planes dropped into the swamp, which had 100 flight hours - because nigger pilot was unable to release the flaps ... When I think how much dough USSR vbuhali in these monkeys - I understand why there was the same collapse.
        1. Cadet
          Cadet 15 January 2018 19: 40
          +1
          Oh, and how many different iron were buried and drowned in the swamps, while developing our North, they did not count and did not look, they knew that they would bring new things.
  6. iouris
    iouris 15 January 2018 12: 18
    +9
    It is strange that only the pilot was convicted.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 January 2018 13: 44
      0
      Quote: iouris
      It is strange that only the pilot was convicted.

      Maybe the start of the aircraft is a relative of Nazarbayev. request
  7. dauria
    dauria 15 January 2018 12: 26
    +7
    took the plane and took off.


    They don’t finish something. At the very least, the airplane technician and the head of the TEC link should have signed in the magazine before the pilot. Here negligence is massive, and there is only one ogreb. Yes, and punished painfully cool for an accident without casualties.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 15 January 2018 13: 05
      +5
      Quote: dauria
      As a minimum, the technician of the aircraft and the head of the TEC link had to put the signatures in the magazine before the pilot. Here negligence is massive, and there is only one ogreb. Yes, and punished painfully cool for an accident without casualties.

      And where is the TEC? They are only responsible for the health of the aircraft before departure. The combat training task is posed directly to the pilot; technicians are not required to penetrate the route and make navigational calculations. At the same time, different tasks require different refueling. For example, for working off take-off and landing at night, the fuel was just right.
      The fact that they put the pilot of an entire major for Kazakhstan is quite normal. For example, Major General A. Buldeshev, who is serving his term for the fifth year already, neglected acts in favor of superiors for negligence. If he had been punished for negligence during the time of M. Altynbaev, then then there would have been much less damage. But unfortunately under Altynbaev all the pilots and thieves close to him were inviolable. Right now the army is dismantling the consequences of the leadership of this golden general.
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 15 January 2018 20: 41
        0
        And Altynbaev’s apartment in Astana was 600 sq. M. For two with his wife, why is it even difficult for him to figure it out.
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 15 January 2018 13: 47
      +3
      I agree, the pilot takes the plane after service. It is unlikely that he can check how much fuel is filled. There are documents about refueling at the technician, at the refueling agent (fuel and lubricant service), and the pilot at the reception has the opportunity to see the amount of fuel in the document.
      But then, at start-up, he has the opportunity to see the amount of fuel on board according to the readings of the devices and then a fork appears - check the readings of the devices (start kicking the technician and the tanker right at the plane), check the equipment and the tanker (consider the device to be inoperative, and not to disrupt the crash , do not report a malfunction, calculate the flow balance). Apparently looking into the honest eyes of a technician, the guy decided not to report a malfunction and fly out. For which he was punished (perhaps with busting, I can’t judge). I have only hope that he has been busy for more than one term, and there is still such a nuance:
      4 years of imprisonment with serving a sentence in the establishment of a penal system of minimum security, with the deprivation of the right to occupy positions and engage in activities related to flights, preparing for them and operating military aircraft for a period of 4 years. ”

      4 years will pass and the march to VLEK,
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 January 2018 20: 06
        0
        Quote: faridg7
        I agree, the pilot takes the plane after service. It is unlikely that he can check how much fuel is filled. There are documents about refueling at the technician, at the refueling agent (fuel and lubricant service), and the pilot at the reception has the opportunity to see the amount of fuel in the document.
        But then, at start-up, he has the opportunity to see the amount of fuel on board according to the readings of the devices and then a fork appears - check the readings of the devices (start kicking the technician and the tanker right at the plane), check the equipment and the tanker (consider the device to be inoperative, and not to disrupt the crash , do not report a malfunction, calculate the flow balance). Apparently looking into the honest eyes of a technician, the guy decided not to report a malfunction and fly out. For which he was punished (perhaps with busting, I can’t judge). I have only hope that he has been busy for more than one term, and there is still such a nuance:
        4 years of imprisonment with serving a sentence in the establishment of a penal system of minimum security, with the deprivation of the right to occupy positions and engage in activities related to flights, preparing for them and operating military aircraft for a period of 4 years. ”

        4 years will pass and the march to VLEK,

        To check the amount of fuel on board, you do not need to start the engines. There are sources of airfield power. Both the technician and the pilot are to blame. I don’t know how it is with the Kazakhs, but the amount of fuel on board was always written in our aircraft preparation log.
  8. NN52
    NN52 15 January 2018 12: 27
    12
    Something somehow muddy all this ....
    How can you not know with what gas station you take off?
    Or did they make a switchman pilot?
    1. BABAY22
      BABAY22 15 January 2018 15: 36
      +1
      The technician reported: The plane is ready for flight, refueling is such and such. Signed in zhps, and all climb into the cockpit. And on the Su-27, the fuel meter-flowmeter seems to be manually set by the technician after refueling, you can’t check the refueling in any way.
      Another thing is why he did not stop doing the job when he was told "the remainder of 1500kg."
      1. NN52
        NN52 15 January 2018 16: 07
        +8
        BABAY22

        A flow meter, yes, manually set by a technician after refueling.
        The fuel gauge really shows how much fuel, it starts with 5 kg namely, this is a standard incomplete refueling.
        There should have been a discrepancy in evidence.
        Apparently did not notice ...
        And yes, I did not pay attention to the first RITA alarm of 1 kg.
        On the second alarm Rita 600 kg avar already drew the remainder and went home, but no luck.
        On the eve of the board went with tech.
        The technician was from another plane.
        Basic: the meter is not set correctly

        But they called it really tough ...
        They say in court in his defense Aubakirov spoke, did not help ...
  9. faiver
    faiver 15 January 2018 12: 43
    +1
    I agree with the majority of opinions - it’s all muddy like that ..., the pilot is a major, not a greenhorn youth ... or was he drunk?
  10. turbris
    turbris 15 January 2018 12: 49
    +1
    It’s for sure - a muddy story, it looks like the pilot hung all the dogs, and the chiefs were left untouched. Although, of course, we don’t know all the circumstances of the case, and only the version of the charge was voiced.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 January 2018 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: turbris
      It’s for sure - a muddy story, it looks like the pilot hung all the dogs, and the chiefs were left untouched. Although, of course, we don’t know all the circumstances of the case, and only the version of the charge was voiced.

      I completely agree. I don’t know what is written in the NIAS and NPP of Kazakhstan there, but I don’t think that they are very different from the options of the times of the USSR .. The remaining fuel should be recorded in the training journal and reported to the pilot as a technician. And, if the fuel gauge and the remaining fuel bulb say the same thing, anyone, even the most stupid pilot, must turn on the brain. I don’t think that in Kazakhstan pilots are so stupid. The pilot was sacrificed
      someone from the ELITE.
  11. izya top
    izya top 15 January 2018 12: 51
    +1
    iron is cheaper than studying and becoming a pilot am civilians have suffered? no. what's the question? technology must be caulked, not the flyer
  12. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2018 13: 01
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    In wartime, for such a shooting

    -------------------------
    Come on? The piece of iron is more expensive than the pilot? Or maybe the fuel sensor was buggy? And why are ground services absolutely dry?
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  14. HMR333
    HMR333 15 January 2018 13: 03
    +1
    the fact is that the pilot is guilty because after him a control check people could suffer! ditched the plane! and there is no information on the technician’s brush, as I understand it, he took and took off without technicians, for then it is not clear why little information was written for the technician!
  15. Vard
    Vard 15 January 2018 13: 06
    +4
    Pilot Adilbek Iskakov graduated from the Krasnodar Aviation Institute. He has more than ten awards and numerous diplomas for participating in international military exercises. The leadership of military unit 21751, where Adilbek serves, praises his actions. They say that in a matter of seconds he made the right decision and took the plane away from Taldykorgan and other densely populated rural districts.
  16. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 15 January 2018 23: 50
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    sentenced to 4 years in prison
    The pilot violated the instructions by conducting a formal inspection of the aircraft. But why did the technician (s) not report that the plane was not refueled? It is clear that an expensive aircraft was destroyed, but Kazakhstan has a lot of extra pilots?

    The technician will refuel as much fuel as required. In the task, refuel 0, and he will fill 0.
  17. brr1
    brr1 16 January 2018 01: 35
    0
    Who needs technical details
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  19. Orionvit
    Orionvit 16 January 2018 09: 04
    0
    Quote: Zalym
    Nasty from your hypocrisy.

    What, so disgusting that you can’t eat already? Well go or something, if it’s so disgusting. Go ram the mouth, heir to the “great empire,” and there’s nothing to do here about sneaking.
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      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 45
        0
        Quote: Zalym
        Come on, you better save the pigs, serf serf.

        so you will soon disappear
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          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 13: 51
            0
            sooo and who is the Nazi here? !!!
            and if on your question, they didn’t evaluate, it so happened
            1. Zalym
              Zalym 16 January 2018 13: 56
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              sooo and who is the Nazi here? !!!


              Nationalist. And I do not hide.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and if on your question, they didn’t evaluate, it so happened


              I admit it was harsh.
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  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 20
    0
    In flight, due to the small amount of fuel remaining in the aircraft, devices triggered

    I’m probably stupid and very far from aviation, but when I start a car I look at the gas sensor, the pilot is in the rank of major, it means I didn’t sit at the helm yesterday, during pre-flight preparation it wasn’t seeing fuel data, couldn’t it be enough for a flight mission or not? !!!
    there are two options, either the devices were initially not working and this is the norm for this part, or it is noodles, but in real life there is completely different
    Well, I won’t believe that the pilot will fly the plane seeing that there will be no fuel for landing
  22. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 35
    0
    Zalym,
    Quote: Zalym
    Nasty from your hypocrisy. Yes, and where does the megalomania? Russians from Kazakhstan hate Kazakhs, just as Russians hate migrant workers from Central Asia, considering them to put it mildly non-people. They also accuse others of nationalism. This is just ridiculous.

    you need to be treated
    what urgent
    By the way, and what exactly is the hatred of Russians towards the Kazakhs? !!!
    p / s / to kazakhstan in the Russian Federation just the attitude is very much the same, but thanks to people like you will soon change
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      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 13: 58
        0
        Quote: Zalym
        Oh, this Vasilenko is hypocritical to me. You yourself need to be treated for a long time from xenophobia

        poke your finger into a cow’s cake
        about xenophobia, you look in the mirror
        your post?
        Quote: Zalym
        How many greyhounds have your ancestors evaluated?

        Quote: Zalym
        Show him your postings and see if you will remain friends with him.

        bring at least one of my quotes insulting KAZAKHOV
        Quote: Zalym
        Now this hatred does not manifest itself. Because they are already afraid. Previously, a lot of things were written and in the treasury.

        whom, YOU ?!
        you are brave either in nete or in a crowd, and about quotes I’ll give you Nazi quotes from Kazakhstan sites just once
        1. Zogak
          Zogak 17 January 2018 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          poke your finger into a cow’s cake


          I appeal to you to people whom I respect, or at least I do not despise.

          about xenophobia, you look in the mirror
          your post?


          My post. Where is the insult of the Russians here? Here is an insult to you personally.

          bring at least one of my quotes insulting KAZAKHOV


          In any topic about Kazakhstan. By the way, you cannot adequately assess the offensive thing written or not. Since I repeatedly quoted you with insults to the Kazakhs from this site, whom you did not see point blank until you poked a nose into them.


          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          whom, YOU ?!
          you are brave either in nete or in a crowd, and about quotes I’ll give you Nazi quotes from Kazakhstan sites just once


          It’s funny. That you are bold only and exclusively in the net. Even the crowd you are not brave. A good example: the modern Russian army, where four or five Caucasians rule a whole company of "yours".
          As for the Nazi quotes, that is. This is a completely adequate response to xenophobia in the execution by the Russians. Now you are already afraid to write this, but the flywheel is started.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 January 2018 20: 20
            0
            Quote: Zogak
            My post. Where is the insult of the Russians here? Here is an insult to you personally.

            you frankly call Russian slaves and asks where is the insult?
            Quote: Zogak
            I appeal to you to people whom I respect, or at least I do not despise.

            it speaks only of your rudeness and nothing more
            Quote: Zogak
            Since I repeatedly quoted you with insults to the Kazakhs from this site, whom you did not see point blank until you poked a nose into them.

            once again, maybe you’re used to poking in your gateway, but that's why it’s not there either you see yourself decently or shut up
            Quote: Zogak
            In any topic about Kazakhstan. By the way, you cannot adequately assess the offensive thing written or not. Since I repeatedly quoted you with insults to the Kazakhs from this site, whom you did not see point blank until you poked a nose into them.

            once again, you can bring MY QUOTES WITH INSURANCE OF THE KAZAKH, do not draw arrows you have accused me of this, why either prove or apologize
            Quote: Zogak
            As for the Nazi quotes, that is. This is a completely adequate response to xenophobia in the execution by the Russians. Now you are already afraid to write this, but the flywheel is started

            bring at least one quote
            Quote: Zogak
            A good example: the modern Russian army, where four or five Caucasians rule a whole company of "yours".

            again you are hiding behind other people's backs
            brave, call yourself who you are and where you come from, well, to insult MY country MY people on your own behalf, rather than hiding behind a nickname and proxy
            1. Zogak
              Zogak 18 January 2018 10: 56
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you frankly call Russian slaves and asks where is the insult?


              I frankly call the slave Orionvit'a, not Russian. There are Russians, but there are slaves. Your logic, Vasilenko.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              once again, maybe you’re used to poking in your gateway, but that's why it’s not there either you see yourself decently or shut up


              Again. I appeal to you to people, and not to slaves and hypocritical blasphemers.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              bring at least one quote


              Vasilenko. I already showed you, even on this site. Moreover, the same two times. I will show for the third time
              https://topwar.ru/36335-opasnyy-perelet-amerikanc
              ev-iz-manasa-v-aktau.html # comment-id-1712015

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              again you are hiding behind other people's backs


              You are afraid of Caucasians. You are afraid to speak out against the Kazakhs, you can only spoil the Internet. And dream of North Kazakhstan. No more. It is a fact. I'll make a note in your style. This does not apply to Russians, but to Nazi borsch.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              brave, call yourself who you are and where you come from, well, to insult MY country MY people on your own behalf, rather than hiding behind a nickname and proxy


              Let me insult your people and your country in the studio. You cannot go to this site without a proxy, but I have not seen your passport.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              once again, you can bring MY QUOTES WITH INSURANCE OF THE KAZAKH, do not draw arrows you have accused me of this, why either prove or apologize


              For example:
              the guys, apparently confusing something, the new generation in the majority HATES Russians and Russia, the Soviet period is not called colonization in schools, more and more often they advise to blame Russians, believe a person born and living 38 years in Almaty, a person whose ancestors were among the founders of the Faithful


              about nature, I already wrote how the Kazakhs manage to spoil in the mountains near Alma-Ata, one has to manage it, where before there was cleanliness now the handicrafts and plastic dishes.


              In addition, your wet fantasies that there were 14 percent of Kazakhs in the Kazakh SSR. laughing A typical fantasy is to defeat the hated Kazakhs, at least demographically, and even then in the past.

              I am returning your words to you: you need to be treated, and urgently.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 12: 33
                0
                Quote: Zogak
                Let me insult your people and your country in the studio. You cannot go to this site without a proxy, but I have not seen your passport.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                once again, you can bring MY QUOTES WITH INSURANCE OF THE KAZAKH, do not draw arrows you have accused me of this, why either prove or apologize
                For example:
                the guys, apparently confusing something, the new generation in the majority HATES Russians and Russia, the Soviet period is not called colonization in schools, more and more often they advise to blame Russians, believe a person born and living 38 years in Almaty, a person whose ancestors were among the founders of the Faithful
                about nature, I already wrote how the Kazakhs manage to spoil in the mountains near Alma-Ata, one has to manage it, where before there was cleanliness now the handicrafts and plastic dishes.

                EEEEEE !!
                are you friends with your head ?!
                that is, if I'm talking about garbage in the Republic of Kazakhstan, about Nazism, is this an insult ?! fool
                you need to be treated
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 12: 44
                0
                Quote: Zogak
                In addition, your wet fantasies that there were 14 percent of Kazakhs in the Kazakh SSR.

                it's not a fantasy but a fact
                Quote: Zogak
                A typical fantasy to defeat hated Kazakhs at least demographically

                What is the hate? !!!!!
                what infuriates you (Natsik) is that you are trying to translate any question into the plane of “insults” of the Kazakhs
                Quote: Zogak
                Let me insult your people and your country in the studio. You cannot go to this site without a proxy, but I have not seen your passport.

                unfortunately, you have already changed your nickname more than once, and on this thread you’ve cleaned up specifically
                Quote: Zogak
                Again. I appeal to you to people, and not to slaves and hypocritical blasphemers.

                Well, of course, you consider Russians to be servants, this is already familiar, but who wrote the blunders on you?
                Quote: Zogak
                https://topwar.ru/36335-opasnyy-perelet-amerikanc
                ev-iz-manasa-v-aktau.html # comment-id-1712015

                once again you personally accused me, where are my statements insulting the Kazakhs ?!
                Quote: Zogak
                You are afraid of Caucasians. You are afraid to speak out against the Kazakhs, you can only spoil the Internet.

                fucking babai, you will learn to answer for yourself, not for Caucasians, not for Buryats, but FOR YOURSELF
                bold SHOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE and my passport YOU do not need for this
                who I am and where I wrote from more than once, as I am responsible for my words, UNLIKE YOU
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 12: 45
                0
                Quote: Zogak
                You cannot go to this site without a proxy, but I have not seen your passport.

                just say that you’ve banned more than once
                1. Zogak
                  Zogak 18 January 2018 15: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  just say that you’ve banned more than once


                  The site in Kazakhstan has been blocked since November.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  EEEEEE !!
                  are you friends with your head ?!
                  that is, if I'm talking about garbage in the Republic of Kazakhstan, about Nazism, is this an insult ?! fool
                  you need to be treated


                  To say that most of the new generation of Kazakhs hate Russians is an insult.

                  about nature, I already wrote how the Kazakhs manage to spoil in the mountains near Alma-Ata, one has to manage it, where before there was cleanliness now the handicrafts and plastic dishes.


                  How do you know who the crap out there? There are many Russians in Almaty now, but the emphasis is on the Kazakhs, which is also an insult.

                  It seems that you are not friends with your head, which is typical for a quilted jacket.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  it's not a fantasy but a fact


                  These are your sick fantasies, not confirmed by any source.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Well, of course, you consider Russians to be servants, this is already familiar, but who wrote the blunders on you?


                  Why is it Russian? Russian Natsik. The bogus is you, of course.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  once again you personally accused me, where are my statements insulting the Kazakhs ?!


                  Cited above.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  fucking babai, you will learn to answer for yourself, not for Caucasians, not for Buryats, but FOR YOURSELF


                  So we are responsible for ourselves. Your words:

                  whom, YOU ?!
                  you are brave either in nete or in a crowd, and about quotes I’ll give you Nazi quotes from Kazakhstan sites just once


                  I’m telling you that you are not even brave in a crowd. And even on the Internet (execute), you are already afraid to even utter a word. You can only quietly hate and crap in RuNet. I have not heard for a long time that a Russian in real life could blather something about the Kazakh. Because you are afraid. By the way, the Kazakhs do not even understand how you (Russian Natsiks) hate us precisely because you are sick of expressing it in real life.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  bold SHOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE and my passport YOU do not need for this
                  who I am and where I wrote from more than once, as I am responsible for my words, UNLIKE YOU


                  Why do you need my name Vasilenko? Why?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 17: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Zogak
                    Why do you need my name Vasilenko? Why?

                    open face Gyulchatay
                    or sycotic?
                    1. Zogak
                      Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      open face Gyulchatay
                      or sycotic?


                      In front of a man - no. Before the snitch and the bogus - zapadlo
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 17: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Zogak
                    You can only quietly hate and crap in RuNet.

                    I’m sorry that you didn’t come across to me in Alma-Ata
                    1. Zogak
                      Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      I’m sorry that you didn’t come across to me in Alma-Ata


                      Would you bother the police?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 08: 51
                        0
                        I’d beat him in the face, by the way, as a rule, after mentoring like you’re running, there were precedents
                  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 17: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Zogak
                    By the way, the Kazakhs do not even understand how you (Russian Natsiks) hate us precisely because you are sick of expressing it in real life.

                    boy if you answer for the bazaar
                    1. Zogak
                      Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 20
                      +1
                      Magzumov Ziyad, then what?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 08: 53
                        0
                        where from what hole what are you fooling around
                  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 17: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Zogak
                    How do you know who the crap out there? There are many Russians in Almaty now, but the emphasis is on the Kazakhs, which is also an insult.

                    I saw more than once, you managed to spoil in the literal sense on the streets of the city, and what exactly were the Kazakhs and this was not the first wave the first was still under the Union
                    Quote: Zogak
                    once again you personally accused me, where are my statements insulting the Kazakhs ?!
                    Cited above.

                    Well, then why?! There is just no insult to the Kazakhs
                    Quote: Zogak
                    whom, YOU ?!
                    you are brave either in nete or in a crowd, and about quotes I’ll give you Nazi quotes from Kazakhstan sites just once
                    I’m telling you that you are not even brave in a crowd. And even on the Internet (execute), you are already afraid to even utter a word.

                    answer for yourself rather than translate arrows, gulchat
                    1. Zogak
                      Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      I saw more than once, you managed to spoil in the literal sense on the streets of the city, and what exactly were the Kazakhs and this was not the first wave the first was still under the Union


                      Russian wallowing in a pool of vomit in my porch and pissing there, too, I saw.

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Well, then why?! There is just no insult to the Kazakhs


                      You are definitely sick of Vasilenko and are not being treated.

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      answer for yourself rather than translate arrows, gulchat


                      For myself, I will always answer, Basilisk. Russian, I never pissed, but in real life I never had a problem with them. The fact that the Vatans so hate the Kazakhs I learned only from the posts of the same Vatans and Nazis like you on the Internet. So you're real quiet.
                  5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 17: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Zogak
                    To say that most of the new generation of Kazakhs hate Russians is an insult

                    you’re definitely sick, I think that if I start to argue about the problems of the economy of the Republic of Kazakhstan, you gulchat as well as declare that I insult the Kazakhs
                    1. Zogak
                      Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      you’re definitely sick, I think that if I start to argue about the problems of the economy of the Republic of Kazakhstan, you gulchat as well as declare that I insult the Kazakhs


                      You Basilisk is nuts and you don’t understand where the insult is and where not, that you didn’t show in vain and I poked you with my nose more than once.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 08: 54
                        0
                        a miracle call yourself who you are and from where, maybe we will cross
  23. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 14: 17
    0
    Zalym,
    Quote: Zalym
    Those. in the division into Kazakhs and mambets there is nothing like that?

    no
    I divide Ukrainians and Bandera, the German Nazis and those who fought with them
    so there are Kazakhs among you, and there are Nazi mambets
    1. Zalym
      Zalym 16 January 2018 15: 23
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      I divide Ukrainians and Bandera, the German Nazis and those who fought with them
      so there are Kazakhs among you, and there are Nazi mambets


      Well, that means there are Russians among you, and there are Nazi borscht. Is going?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 16: 14
        0
        there!
        no one argues with this
        1. NN52
          NN52 18 January 2018 21: 12
          +9
          Vasilenko Vladimir
          Zalym

          You are both sick along the way ..........................................
          ..
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 21: 20
            0
            argue
            1. NN52
              NN52 18 January 2018 21: 32
              +9
              Why did you enter into such a skirmish?
              How old are you Dear?
              You just dishonor yourself ...
              1. NN52
                NN52 18 January 2018 22: 04
                +8
                Do you both know anything about RK now?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 22: 58
                  0
                  be surprised but I know, apart from the fact that I was born there and lived 38 years
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 22: 59
                0
                Quote: NN52
                You just dishonor yourself ...

                what exactly?
                1. NN52
                  NN52 19 January 2018 10: 05
                  +9
                  I just spent a friend yesterday (he is Kazakh by nationality, a pilot), on business I flew here from Astana.
                  And I know first-hand the situation in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                  And read your skirmish, and the fact that you are participating in it .... somehow it's not very .. like children ..
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2018 12: 33
                    0
                    Quote: NN52
                    And I know first-hand the situation in the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                    that is, you think that only you know firsthand ?!
                    Quote: NN52
                    And read your skirmish, and the fact that you are participating in it .... somehow it's not very .. like children ..

                    do not read