German media: Russian "Zircon" is dangerous for US aircraft carriers

January 15 2018 73

The Zirkon missile system developed by Russia will be a real threat to American aircraft carriers, the German newspaper Stern writes. Article translation provided by RIA News

The article talks about the modernization of the Russian battlecruisers "Admiral Nakhimov" and "Peter the Great". Such ships, according to the author, were considered obsolete, but now they are planned to be equipped with modern C-500 anti-aircraft systems and Caliber cruise missiles.

German media: Russian "Zircon" is dangerous for US aircraft carriers

However, the main innovation of ships, the newspaper notes, will be a hypersonic cruise missile "Zircon" 3М22. It is capable of reaching speeds that are six times higher than the speed of sound (more than 2 km / s), and the range of action will be about 600 kilometers. With the help of this rocket, the Russian fleet will be able to create a serious threat to American aircraft carriers, not to mention the ships of other countries, writes Stern.

The article notes that an armed conflict between Moscow and Washington is unlikely, and Russia will use the upgraded battlecruisers to strengthen the image of the superpower and to "power projection" in different parts of the world. These ships will turn the oceans of the Earth into "dangerous waters" for American aircraft carriers, the author sums up.

The missile system with Zircon is the latest development of Russian designers. According to information from open sources, NPO Mashinostroyeniya is engaged in its creation.

Works on the project are closed. It is only known that the rocket will be able to accelerate to 5-10 Mach and reach targets at distances 300-500 kilometers. For comparison: now the Russian Navy is armed with anti-ship missiles with maximum speeds of Mach 2-2,5.

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Andrey Yuryevich

+9

15 January 2018 06: 08

The Zircon missile ship complex being developed by Russia will pose a real threat to American aircraft carriers
in terms of importance and revolution, the zircon can be compared with the advent of the Maxim or Gatling machine gun. The situation on the theater of operations with the advent of these weapons is changing radically.
1. Finches
  
  +14
  
  15 January 2018 06: 23
  
  If you take a deeper look at this issue, then the main enemy of American aircraft carriers is their own team: staffed by Mexicans, immigrants from Latin America, Eastern Europe, Africa ..., now also transgenders, other perverts of all stripes, when the word "God save America" , just a stamp worn down to falsehood to receive the coveted citizenship - but to die for a star-striped flag, there are few!
  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    
    +9
    
    15 January 2018 06: 34
    
    Quote: Finches
    If you take a deeper look at this issue, the main enemy of American aircraft carriers is their own team: staffed by Mexicans, immigrants from Latin America, Eastern Europe, Africa ..., now also transgenders, other perverts of all stripes
    
    Well, well, well ... you suffered ... because of all the buggers there, the effectiveness of the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq has not decreased ... against the "banana republics", this is quite an effective weapon.
    1. Reptiloid
      
      0
      
      15 January 2018 07: 03
      
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Well, well, well ... you suffered ... because of all the buggers there, the effectiveness of the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq has not decreased ... against the "banana republics", this is quite an effective weapon.
      Maybe it’s just that the effeminate LGBT people just didn’t get to their aviation ???? However, they will get it! They will show themselves! .....
      The point is that if you take hormones, then they can behave somewhat differently ....
      1. Vladimir16
        
        0
        
        15 January 2018 09: 05
        
        It turns out that buggers in the US and NATO armies are an asymmetric move by the Kremlin
        Tin! What's new
        We are waiting for sanctions against the Russians for pederasts in America.
      2. Slovak
        
        0
        
        15 January 2018 12: 04
        
        When pi ... they see the details of the process of refueling the aircraft in the air, they will request to aviation. :)
    2. Finches
      
      +2
      
      15 January 2018 07: 21
      
      This did not happen to me! This is noted by Pentagon analysts, they just don’t really like to publicize this, about the level of decline in the moral and business and combat qualities of the American soldier, especially when meeting with the corresponding enemy! Moreover, they often take as a criterion the draft army who fought in Vietnam. Not on technical support, not on the level of training, but precisely because of a decrease in patriotism and, as a result, moral and psychological stability, in other words, why the hell would I die for America if I came to court to live!
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  2. Chertt
    
    +9
    
    15 January 2018 07: 52
    
    See the aircraft carrier? And he is ...... See Zircon? But he is not ..... Zircon is a terrible beast
    1. Boa kaa
      
      +1
      
      15 January 2018 23: 04
      
      Quote: Chertt
      See the aircraft carrier? And he is ...... See Zircon? But he is not ..... Zircon is a terrible beast
      
      Interesting idea!
      AVMs have been building 5-6 years. During this time, you can plan a hundred or two Zircons. True, there are problems with the carriers ... for now, let's hope. So, let's hope that in 2018 the 3K-22 will be adopted by the fleet. Then we'll see: is it or not !?
  3. Korax71
    
    +3
    
    15 January 2018 12: 57
    
    For less, see Ren TV and Prokopenko. The national composition of the American sun is freely available. There are everything by race and color. Percent 85 Americans, 17 percent Negro. Do not carry snowstorms and less zombie.
    1. Finches
      
      0
      
      15 January 2018 15: 44
      
      The magazine "Foreign Military Review" - to help!
      
      To be sincere, I exaggerated a bit with perverts, but no more!
    2. CentDo
      
      +1
      
      15 January 2018 17: 52
      
      For unbombed, you are pretty bad with arithmetic.
  4. Lex.
    
    0
    
    15 January 2018 19: 49
    
    If you take a deeper look at this issue, the main enemy of American aircraft carriers is their own team: staffed by Mexicans, Hispanics, Eastern
    And all sorts of transgender people
2. Evgeniy667b
  
  +11
  
  15 January 2018 07: 00
  
  Less thrashing is necessary on this topic. The "partners" have already tensed and are thinking feverishly, they can come up with. Sin underestimate the enemy! When the missiles go into service, there will be an antidote. stupid bragging and browada, bring only harm.
3. Viktor.12.71
  
  +1
  
  15 January 2018 08: 31
  
  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
  in terms of importance and revolution, the zircon can be compared with the advent of the Maxim or Gatling machine gun. The situation on the theater of operations with the advent of these weapons is changing radically.
  
  The machine-building NGO developed the Bolide complex, a 3M15 rocket. But since 1990, not a word about the development. TTX missiles were impressive, Mach 4 and a range of 800 km.
  Coincidence? I don’t think so. This is purely my opinion that the project is the same, just rebranded, and modern technologies solved the problems that the developers faced in the 80-90th. Basically, they wanted to use this rocket on snowstorms as space-to-earth, but alas.
  About
  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
  "zircon" can be compared with the advent of the machine gun "maxim" or "gatling". The situation on the theater of operations with the advent of these weapons is changing radically.
  
  This will be known only during the war, the USSR and Russia already have anti-ship missiles that exceed the speed of 2-2,5 Machs which were zircons of their time, but did not radically change anything.
4. voyaka uh
  
  +3
  
  15 January 2018 11: 07
  
  "," zircon "can be compared with the advent of the machine gun" maxim "" ////
  
  Of course not. Even if Zircon is not a bluff of the Russian Defense Ministry (there is such an assumption)
  , and you can create a mixture of BR and KR, the unit price will be huge and close
  to the price of ICBMs. Since it is necessary to develop: 1) the 1st stage rocket engine (booster),
  ramjet engine of the 2nd stage 2) means of navigation and guidance to the target.
  And combine all this and check in one product.
  "Maxim" - was a massive and inexpensive product (only thousands of rounds cost money).
  1. Lex.
    
    +1
    
    15 January 2018 19: 51
    
    unit price will be huge and close
    to the price of ICBMs. You are right, but it’s a penny compared to the aircraft carrier that he will sink
    1. voyaka uh
      
      0
      
      16 January 2018 16: 59
      
      My post is irrelevant. It turned out that Zircon is a modernization of old Onyx.
      Nothing revolutionary is foreseen.
  2. sharp-lad
    
    0
    
    15 January 2018 21: 44
    
    With a sufficiently large series, the price will be adequate to the respect of the "partners".
Theodore

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15 January 2018 06: 09

Tremble, tremble! It’s not for you to push the 6th fleet to the coast of Belarus!
1. Lex.
  
  0
  
  15 January 2018 19: 52
  
  Tremble, tremble! This is not the 6th fleet for you to drive to the coast of Belarus. Well, Lithuania has already been adjusted.
  1. Theodore
    
    0
    
    15 January 2018 21: 19
    
    There are only five troughs, and two admirals are on them!
Titsen

+11

15 January 2018 06: 09

Is one that is not dangerous?

Once again, the skin of the unkilled bear is shared once again ...
1. tchoni
  
  +5
  
  15 January 2018 06: 24
  
  Quote: Titsen
  Once again, the skin of the unkilled bear is shared once again ...
  
  Rather, the feathers of the unkilled eagle)))
Mar.Tirah

+5

15 January 2018 06: 11

Quote: Andrey Yurievich
The Zircon missile ship complex being developed by Russia will pose a real threat to American aircraft carriers
in terms of importance and revolution, the zircon can be compared with the advent of the Maxim or Gatling machine gun. The situation on the theater of operations with the advent of these weapons is changing radically.

So far, I only see more howling, and hysteria, around something terrible, and not understandable. Moreover, for a long time. There will be a rocket, we will discuss.
1. Andrey Yuryevich
  
  +4
  
  15 January 2018 06: 35
  
  Quote: Mar. Tira
  There will be a rocket, and we will reason.
  
  tormented by doubts? and the cruiser is cooking. it’s clear what is needed today, but it doesn’t. an example of "armata" and "t-50".
Fedorov

+2

15 January 2018 06: 15

A tandem was already awaited - zircon and glider Yu-71. Tests have already been waiting for service. A couple of years left ...
Indeed, the topic is closed, somewhere they started something and that's it ..... Think what you want.
1. Santa Fe
  
  +6
  
  15 January 2018 06: 53
  
  Quote: Fedorov
  Really closed topic
  
  There are no closed topics. Learn to analyze information and read between the lines.
  
  When the media describes in detail which airbase received new aircraft, how many and what type.
  
  When, for the demonstration of any robot, ship or submarine (and any more or less significant achievement), the first persons of the state are invited, accompanied by cameras from all channels
  
  Stuffing information about superracketu - and then a deaf silence for a couple of years means that it is a fake.
  
  Why are they silent? Publishing even the appearance of the device will cause too many questions. And he will make it clear that there is no zircon. And so - you can keep the intrigue for a couple of years, and then everyone will forget. How to forget about the X-90 Koala, and there was a time promoting on all resources
  
  The only public photo-video footage of a real hypersonic device is Wave Wave. Seeing its characteristics and dimensions, we understand that it is impossible to get anything attributed to "Zircon" in its dimensions.
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  2. Viktor.12.71
    
    +3
    
    15 January 2018 08: 50
    
    I think this is not the problem. There was a rocket 3M15 rocket with TTX 4Maha and 800km range, they were already preparing for testing as the project in 90 just disappeared. Further in 2012 we hear about a miracle Zircon rocket with the same performance characteristics.
    Quote: Santa Fe
    The only public photo-footage of a real hypersonic device is the WaveRider
    
    Here I agree with you, after a series of unsuccessful launches in 2013, the X-51 flew 6 km at a speed of 5 Machs, which the Americans considered to be a success. But also do not forget about the X-43A which developed a speed of 9 Machs, of 3 known tests 2 were successful.
    1. Santa Fe
      
      +1
      
      15 January 2018 09: 03
      
      Quote: Viktor.12.71
      about X-43A which has developed 9Mach speed
      
      On 11 seconds?
      With the help of a space rocket Pegas?
      1. Viktor.12.71
        
        +1
        
        15 January 2018 09: 10
        
        Not only via satellite.
ImPerts

+1

15 January 2018 06: 18

Zircon and Yu-71 should close the issue of denouncing the ABM Treaty. Of course, different types, but hypersound and maneuverability in this situation decide)
1. Viktor.12.71
  
  +2
  
  15 January 2018 08: 56
  
  The Americans have their own designs like the X-43A and X-51, and tests have been going on since 2000. If Zircon can only be carried by ships, then the Americans have them for aviation with much smaller sizes. Which is more dangerous: ten ships or a hundred aircraft with supersonic missiles?
  1. Boa kaa
    
    +1
    
    15 January 2018 22: 13
    
    Quote: Viktor.12.71
    If Zircon can only be carried by ships, then the Americans have them for aviation with much smaller sizes.
    If we helped the Indians to build BrahMos, which our SU-30MKI normally carry, then what will prevent us from doing such improvements with Zircon !?
    Quote: Viktor.12.71
    What is more dangerous: ten ships or a hundred aircraft with supersonic missiles?
    
    It depends on where and how you are going to use them. If the carriers cannot hide behind the IA, then the aircraft carriers may not fulfill the task ... Yes, and ships will not go far without an aviation umbrella. Therefore, most likely, Zircon will be the bare part of the B-RCC. A similar experience has already been in the history of the Navy - R-27K SLBM, D-5K complex ... I think the new is the well-forgotten old. In any case, UKKS - vertical lines, which means that the acceleration block for ramjet engine of the 3K-22 product will start from it with its head in the form of GZLA.
    By the way, as of 2011. organization of serial production of Zircon missiles was planned at Strela Production Center (Orenburg, East. - Annual Report, p. 15). This is "information for consideration."
    1. Viktor.12.71
      
      0
      
      16 January 2018 06: 16
      
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      By the way, as of 2011 organization of serial production of Zircon missiles was planned at Strela Production Center (Orenburg, East. - Annual Report, p. 15). This is "information for consideration". hi
      
      Thank you, I didn’t.
starogil

+1

15 January 2018 06: 19

Last year, they told us here that the Zircon was almost ready for service, and that’s it ....
And today ..... The Zircon missile ship complex being developed by Russia will represent .....
..... the main innovation of the ships, the newspaper notes, will be a hypersonic cruise missile ..........
...... The missile system with Zircon is the latest development of Russian designers ........
..... The work on the project is closed ..... and rightly so, why trend in vain.
1. Antidote
  
  +2
  
  15 January 2018 06: 39
  
  It's like with 40H6, they will promise for several years, then they will forget it.
Herculesic

+2

15 January 2018 06: 20

She’s like “Peter the Great”, “Admiral Nakhimov”, battle cruisers! Why not missile battleships? ?? About the "stone king" it seems that only children in the first grade have not written yet! Although, it may be that they already write about this rocket there!
1. Per se.
  
  +2
  
  15 January 2018 06: 43
  Quote: Herkulesich
  Why not missile battleships? ??
  Protection for the battleship does not reach, although it can be called a missile battleship, with a total length of a quarter kilometer and powerful armament. The diagram shows the Orlan project in proportions with the Second World War battleships. As for the topic of the article, you might as well write that the Javelin is dangerous for tanks, and the Stinger for planes. As long as there is a need for aviation at sea, there will be aircraft carriers, there is nothing to replace them with.
2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
  
  +4
  
  15 January 2018 06: 44
  
  Quote: Herkulesich
  She’s like “Peter the Great”, “Admiral Nakhimov”, battle cruisers!
  
  Generally speaking abroad, these ships are often called that.
  1. Herculesic
    
    +1
    
    15 January 2018 06: 54
    
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk - let them at least have a rudgehog, at least a three-ruble cancer They say, we know that this class is precisely missile cruisers!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      
      +1
      
      15 January 2018 07: 00
      
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk - let them at least have a rudgehog, at least a three-ruble cancer They say, we know that this class is precisely missile cruisers!
      
      now the classification is so blurred that patrol projects are already being issued as corvettes ....
      1. Herculesic
        
        +6
        
        15 January 2018 07: 06
        
        Yurievich -soon corvettes for destroyers will begin to give out, in order to let us dust in the eyes, covering up the weakness of our fleet!
        
        Andrey Yuryevich
        
        +1
        
        15 January 2018 07: 12
        
        Quote: Herkulesich
        -soon corvettes for destroyers will begin to give out, in order to let us dust in the eyes, covering up the weakness of our fleet!
        
        since it’s as if ... in the articles the power of the current TFRs is equal to the project 965 ... famously ... but is it nothing that the “caliber” and the “mosquito” are slightly different things?
        
        Herculesic
        
        +1
        
        15 January 2018 07: 22
        
        On the other hand, our officials have plans for a demolition plan, for all occasions, the whole future of our fleet, clearly in words, and in their fairy tales far from reality!
        
        askort154
        
        +1
        
        15 January 2018 07: 44
        
        Herculesych ..... -soon corvettes for destroyers will begin to give out, in order to let us in the dust, covering up the weakness of our fleet!
        
        "Dust in the eyes" let the modern media. It used to be
        only correspondents who knew the topic thoroughly and were admitted to it covered the topic. Now every “trickster” writes on any topic, posing as a “professional” in any topic. Personally, I draw conclusions for myself, only on the basis of official statements by representatives of the Moscow Region, and not on the "foam" of our or foreign media.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      
      +1
      
      15 January 2018 16: 07
      
      Quote: Herkulesich
      for even if they are for a rupee a hedgehog, at least for a three-ruble note they call cancer lol, we know that this class is precisely missile cruisers!
      
      But I'm not sure That is, it’s clear that it’s a heavy nuclear missile cruiser, but you look at the silhouette and size - and somehow imperceptibly you begin to whistle the imperial march from Star Wars ... It’s the same size as the dreadnought of the first world ...
zzdimk

+2

15 January 2018 06: 21

The middle name for the media is Captain Tantrum!
ver_

0

15 January 2018 06: 22

Quote: Andrey Yurievich
The Zircon missile ship complex being developed by Russia will pose a real threat to American aircraft carriers
in terms of importance and revolution, the zircon can be compared with the advent of the Maxim or Gatling machine gun. The situation on the theater of operations with the advent of these weapons is changing radically.

... * will there still be - oh yo yo? ..
tchoni

+11

15 January 2018 06: 22

So far, zircon, as well as su57, armata, etc. much more dangerous for sofa hacks and their mental health than for American aircraft carriers. It’s not even an hour what kind of intel a veteran of the couch troops will thunder in Chinihuu, proving with foam at the mouth (or with plastic filings at the keyboard) the superiority of what is not ....
1. Esoteric
  
  +3
  
  15 January 2018 07: 30
  
  Quote: tchoni
  the superiority of what is not ....
  
  To my deep regret, I admit that you are right. Recently, our guys from above love to wishful thinking and PR prototypes. What is it for? We must somehow justify the quarter-century "concern" about the defense industry. Well, they did ... They did it ... Nobody has that ... Why arrange dances on the bones? Act calmly and without fuss. May the world see these weapons in action. Let all elbows gnaw out overseas ... This advertisement is already just annoying ...
sabotage

+1

15 January 2018 06: 28

An article in Stern is as empty as a drum.

https://www.stern.de/digital/technik/mit-hypersch
allraketen-sollen-putins-schlachtkreuzer-die-us-t
raeger-in-schach-halten-7817460.html

If they want to equip Nakhimov with Zircons, then Zircon should be tested before the end of its repair. Knowing our responsible leaders I put on Nakhimov from repair in 2024 and without Zircons.
1. Andrey Yuryevich
  
  +3
  
  15 January 2018 07: 02
  
  Quote: sabotage
  I put on Nakhimov from repair in 2024 and without Zircons.
  
  judging by the "nickname" is normal.
  1. Per se.
    
    0
    
    15 January 2018 07: 11
    
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    judging by the "nickname" is normal.
    I, too, somehow immediately believed, it would still be cooler - "sabotage and sabotage." This is sad humor, Dmitry, I hope, no offense ...
Yngvar

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15 January 2018 06: 33

I suppose that they will bring it “to mind” in several modifications, and in a couple of years they will be massively put into service ... Although, of course, time does not play for us.
rotmistr60

+1

15 January 2018 06: 46

Zircon will pose a real threat to US aircraft carriers
Equip ships then and will pose a threat. For American aircraft carriers, in theory, North Korean poison is also a threat. charge and our submarines ...
Mar.Tirah

+1

15 January 2018 06: 52

Quote: Andrey Yurievich
Quote: Mar. Tira
There will be a rocket, and we will reason.

tormented by doubts? and the cruiser is cooking. it’s clear what is needed today, but it doesn’t. an example of "armata" and "t-50".

Well, there is no smoke without fire. These rogues sniffed out something similar. Yes, and we need this kind of weapon to keep in check such a high-tech enemy as the United States. We need such a rocket, we really need it. You said it yourself.
1. Andrey Yuryevich
  
  0
  
  15 January 2018 07: 04
  
  Quote: Mar. Tira
  We need such a rocket, we really need it. You yourself said it.
  
  I confirm.
Thunderbolt

+2

15 January 2018 07: 10

The theme of "Zircon" reminds me of the theme of "Barguzin" --- a lot of words and now no one remembers.
Esoteric

+1

15 January 2018 07: 22

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alvahalvahalvahalvahalvahalvahalvahalvahalva ...
And there is also the S-400, Armata, Caliber ...
Look, thanks to whom, this is more interesting ...
1. Andrey Yuryevich
  
  +2
  
  15 January 2018 07: 46
  
  Quote: Esoteric
  Look, thanks to whom, this is more interesting ...
  the video is good, but why about halva?
  1. sharp-lad
    
    0
    
    15 January 2018 21: 49
    
    As I understand it, for added sweetness.
bratchanin3

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15 January 2018 08: 27

Even at a speed of 2 - 2,5 M, the aircraft carrier will be doomed. Several missiles at this speed and at minimum altitude are guaranteed to be destroyed or permanently incapacitated. Even the escort will not have time to cover itself.
1. rotmistr60
  
  +2
  
  15 January 2018 09: 52
  
  Even the escort will not have time to cover itself.
  Something is hard to believe that Americans can cover themselves. This is not in the movies, and even there they often loudly declare that it is time to save their ass.
Old26

+1

15 January 2018 10: 28

Quote: Evgeniy667b
Less thrashing is necessary on this topic. The "partners" have already tensed and are thinking feverishly, they can come up with. Sin underestimate the enemy! When the missiles go into service, there will be an antidote. stupid bragging and browada, bring only harm.

And no one is in awe. There is simply information and a minimum of additional information. And this is the best option. The enemy is trying to get more, starting to get nervous. But what you don’t have to do is to proclaim the Wunderwaffe weapons system in advance. Then really boasting and brooding brings harm.
For example, our partners know that now we have two more “minerals” in the development process. One of them is the evolutionary development of the present “mineral,” and the other is revolutionary development. So let the partners think that it is.

Quote: Viktor.12.71
Quote: Andrey Yurievich
in terms of importance and revolution, the zircon can be compared with the advent of the Maxim or Gatling machine gun. The situation on the theater of operations with the advent of these weapons is changing radically.

The machine-building NGO developed the Bolide complex, a 3M15 rocket. But since 1990, not a word about the development. TTX missiles were impressive, Mach 4 and a range of 800 km.
Coincidence? I don’t think so. This is purely my opinion that the project is the same, just rebranded, and modern technologies solved the problems that the developers faced in the 80-90th. Basically, they wanted to use this rocket on snowstorms as space-to-earth, but alas.

The Bolide complex died without being born. It was intended to replace the "Volcanoes". And it is unlikely that the 80s rocket became the basis for the current Zircon project. At least different aerodynamics. And on the Buran system, there were no plans to launch rockets (multivolume)

Quote: Per se.
Quote: Herkulesich
Why not missile battleships? ??
Protection for the battleship does not reach, although it can be called a missile battleship, with a total length of a quarter kilometer and powerful armament. The diagram shows the Orlan project in proportions with the Second World War battleships. As for the topic of the article, you might as well write that the Javelin is dangerous for tanks, and the Stinger for planes. As long as there is a need for aviation at sea, there will be aircraft carriers, there is nothing to replace them with.

I agree. The same American X-51 is just as dangerous for our ships as our Zircon for their aircraft carriers.

Quote: askort154
Herculesych ..... -soon corvettes for destroyers will begin to give out, in order to let us in the dust, covering up the weakness of our fleet!

"Dust in the eyes" let the modern media. It used to be
only correspondents who knew the topic thoroughly and were admitted to it covered the topic. Now every “trickster” writes on any topic, posing as a “professional” in any topic. Personally, I draw conclusions for myself, only on the basis of official statements by representatives of the Moscow Region, and not on the "foam" of our or foreign media.

To draw conclusions solely on the basis of official statements by the Moscow Region is also fraught. And what does the official statement mean? Shoigu's performance? And after all, even in this ministry many “storytellers” were written about, who give odds even to well-known ANALYTICS from the media

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Quote: bratchanin3
Even at a speed of 2 - 2,5 M, the aircraft carrier will be doomed. Several missiles at this speed and at minimum altitude are guaranteed to be destroyed or permanently incapacitated. Even the escort will not have time to cover itself.

Not at all. Read the studies of the same admiral Capitan. According to his calculations, about 8-10 X-22 or 3M45 Granite missiles are needed for destruction (long-term incapacitation). To destroy 11-12. So a few here can not do. Do not forget the oder, which will knock down part of the rockets. Not without reason for the destruction of the AUG we had planned a flight division
Evgeny RS

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15 January 2018 11: 34

And why actually 600 km? Like, 8 speeds of sound and 1000 km.
cap-lei

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15 January 2018 17: 29

Lazarev also needs to be upgraded!
Nikolai Passerby

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15 January 2018 20: 58

It’s not enough to have excellent missiles against an aircraft carrier group ... The goal is to see and give target designation to a missile in flight. Tracking satellites will be neutralized immediately at "X" hour, and our reconnaissance planes will not let American carrier-based carrier-based fighters fly to the AUG. The Americans, on the contrary, have the opportunity to be the first to see our cruisers, thanks to their carrier-based AWACS ... In a naval battle, whoever sees the enemy first will be the first to fire a salvo at him. Without equivalent American AUGs, our aircraft carriers, which Russia does not have, joining the battle against American AUGs is tantamount to suicide ... Even if there are all kinds of Zircons on Russian ships ... That's all.
1. Boa kaa
  
  +1
  
  15 January 2018 22: 51
  
  Quote: Nikolai Passerby
  Without equivalent American AUGs, our aircraft carriers, which Russia does not have, joining the battle against American AUGs is tantamount to suicide ... Even if there are all kinds of Zircons on Russian ships ...
  
  Nice man! Well, you can’t do it right away: "Everything is gone, the client leaves, the plaster is removed, Everything is gone, chef!"
  Back in Soviet times, anti-aircraft missile divisions PLARK pr 949 / 949A were created in the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet. Our 885M will be armed with zircons, and, if they appear, Husky.
  And also it should be borne in mind the powerful electronic warfare and space, ZRLS and other supporting structure of the RF Armed Forces, not only the Navy.
  1. Town Hall
    
    +3
    
    15 January 2018 22: 58
    
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Our 885M will be armed with zircons, and, if they appear, Husky.
    
    Again, the strategy ... non-existent submarines will be equipped with non-existent missiles and they will 100% sink the real existing AUGs ...
    1. Boa kaa
      
      +1
      
      15 January 2018 23: 21
      
      Quote: Town Hall
      nonexistent submarines
      
      Well, Kazan seems to be already in metal ...
      Quote: Town Hall
      armed with non-existent missiles
      Angry, however!
      30 May 2017 White Sea, K-560 submarine Severodvinsk (885 Ave.) --- successful launch of the 3K-22 (according to Western data)
      
      Quote: Town Hall
      they 100% will sink real existing AUG ...
      Drown, with the appropriate outfit of forces ...
      885M alone will be extremely difficult, but, under a certain set of circumstances, it is quite possible, however.
      1. Nikolai Passerby
        
        +1
        
        15 January 2018 23: 52
        
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Drown, with the appropriate outfit of forces ...
        
        It is possible to sink an aug only by a combined and SIMULTANEOUS attack of aviation, surface and submarine forces. But to organize such an attack without seeing the enemy is almost impossible ... And you will have nothing to see, all calculations were made based on the satellite constellation of tracking and target designation. Now you can forget about it ... You will not have satellites. It remains to hope for the case. Are you so sure that fortune will turn to you, and not to the enemy ?!
  2. Nikolai Passerby
    
    +1
    
    15 January 2018 23: 34
    
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    And also it should be borne in mind the powerful electronic warfare and space, ZRLS and other supporting structure of the RF Armed Forces, not only the Navy.
    
    You do not absorb the meaning of what you read ?! AUG - first of all you need to find ...
    1. Boa kaa
      
      +2
      
      16 January 2018 00: 00
      
      Quote: Nikolai Passerby
      AUG - first of all you need to find ...
      
      It is immediately obvious that you have nothing to do with the fleet.
      For example, a sound in a PZK can go around the globe. And on the 400-500 km, you can determine the DPC with a probability of 80%. Then, who told you that the geostacinary satellites will knock down the adversary by 100%? Or maybe you heard something about RTR? Or do you think that the rise of aviation occurs with complete silence and non-working RES ???
      Stop shaming, my dear, do not be angry at night looking ...
      1. Nikolai Passerby
        
        +2
        
        16 January 2018 21: 41
        
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Stop shaming, my dear, do not be angry at night looking ...
        
        Your will, what to believe ... Do not consider the enemy as a fool who does not know our strengths and weaknesses. Our fleet will either have to hide under the protection of the coast, or heroically die in the war against the American AUG. There are no options ... In general, my whole life is connected with the fleet, so I am a pragmatist ... It seems more likely that you have pink glasses. That's all ...