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Destruction of the Soviet heritage as the main task and perspective

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The further you look at some of the processes taking place in the country, the stronger the impression is that certain forces gave the order to decisively and irrevocably destroy everything connected with the USSR.


Destruction of the Soviet heritage as the main task and perspective


And really, why? Why do we have what we have: the destruction of the entire Soviet heritage? And to whom it is very profitable?

We talk and write about patriotism, and this patriotism simply cannot exist without the Soviet past. It cannot be said that the exploits of the ancients do not take root in our heads. However beautiful stories about Alexander Nevsky, Pozharsky, Minin, Suvorov, Kutuzov, kings and emperors of Russia for young people just a story. Which stupidly pass.

How stupid and how far past is a separate question, to which we will definitely return.

Another question is who needs it? Americans? Oh yeah. Here, for sure, the banjo is torn in batches, looking at the clowning, called ... Well, I will obzovuyu its obzova. Strongly similar. Somehow it turns out that according to the results of what is happening, by what we end up with, we and the Ukrainians are sailing in one direction. To one shore. Only we started earlier. Therefore, everything that the neighbors are doing today has already been experienced and hastily forgotten. Yes, and we were lucky. The Lord or Providence stopped the events at the abyss itself. On the verge of civil war.

Nevertheless, some questions are not something that you want to put next, it is difficult to distinguish where the tricolor and where two-color.

Let's go through the list?

1. Education? Hana. Apocalypse EGE parades across the country and nothing can be done about it. Who are our so-called universities? About it said so much that I do not want to repeat. We from kindergarten bring up completely different people. Elite in private expensive gardens. A workhorse - in the state. Then we divide at school and gymnasiums with a bias and at the university. And at the end of the prestige of universities as such. And the opportunity to take a "convenient" place in the company or government agencies. What is written about our universities does not apply to the prestigious MGIMO or MGU. But the university from any provincial city ...

2. The medicine? Free Soviet even conditionally - everything, and all right, some people are still able to grab something under their policy. But who will cure years through 10? See item 1. Can anyone say that medicine in the capitals and on the periphery, at least on 40-50% are equivalent? Can anyone say that the chances of survival for Russians outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg decrease significantly? Or is the salary of a doctor in the Siberian outback equal to the salary of a capital star? And every day these questions arise in an increasing number of citizens of new Russia.

In parallel with the fear of being in the future. From the point of view of the client medical facilities.

3. Industry? Heavy, medium, light ... Differently, but for the space being killed it is really insulting. We are reborn! Hooray, work plants! Excuse me, a worker who makes rockets or airplanes and gets 20000-25000 rubles - what is it like? Will the really talented engineers, designers, scientists go there? Or will they go to a private company to reinvent a bicycle, but for a triple salary?

4. Sport? Yes, I already said. Soviet quietly spinning in a coffin, looking at how "athletes from Russia" convulsively twitch for bonuses. Any "scoop" will remember how many times more at school was invited by trainers to different sections. As in a dead frost I was chasing a puck in the yard. Of course, not everyone became champions, but in the USSR it was fashionable to be strong. And each graduate had a sports category in one or several sports. Not to mention the TRP badges.

5. Culture? And then a breakthrough, and even some. Art, which is down to the level of the genitals. On both sides, I'm sorry. Art based on lies, on the betrayal of the past, on the fight against this past. We often speak of monuments defeated in Ukraine. And we have? Does art ruin these monuments? Only not those that, although they stand, are already imperceptible for a person, but those on which patriotism, love for a small homeland, courage and readiness to protect the country are based.

Basically, enough points already. But I will push off from the last one.

Someone thought seriously, and why in our pseudo-culture so? If you start to spit in the recent Soviet past, then honor you, praise and loot? But everyone can remember the touchstone, the beginning of this campaign. Pavlik Morozov! I am sure that even older people today are doubtful about the feat of this boy. Russian "smoke without fire does not happen."

And everything is simple. Here we are not talking about Stalin or Brezhnev. With them everything is already clear. And at the highest level. I will not quote our guarantor who needs it, he will find on the Internet all the phrases that he (the guarantor) gave to the USSR.

But if the president himself, the support of legality, the collector of the Russian lands and so on, said that there was nothing in the USSR except blue hens and black galoshes, so it was. Probably. The people who grew up, became stronger, won the war, rebuilt the country and ... I walked in black galoshes for blue chicken.

Interestingly, Soviet boys soldiers died in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Angola, Mozambique, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and other places for overshoes or for chicken? Then I wonder, why are they dying in Syria today? For oil and gas pipe or something else?

And here begins what I wanted to talk about.

Why can such a huge amount of production going to the brain be described as anti-Soviet?

And everything is simple. So it is necessary.

This is necessary, because in 6-10 years there should be as few heads as possible that can think. And, most importantly, willing.

I think those who have adult children, and even better grandchildren, noticed a change in the brain. They are not like us. They are sharpened on making money. Even those who do not succeed. And the worst thing is, they need the money than us. Your mobile phone, bought by 3 a year ago and perfectly working, makes them laugh. A year is the lifetime of a mobile phone. And the rest. Life from a modern person is measured by the ability to buy everything that is new and fashionable. The rest is nonsense, not worthy of attention.

There should be a herd that can consume and jump. And who does not jump, you yourself know who.

Vladimir Vladimirovich said that we are on the way to Great Russia, which means that it is so. And that Great Russia will have nothing to do with the totalitarian Soviet anti-democratic regime. But, oddly enough, the great USSR, whatever we are told today, grew out of great Russia. That Russia, in which there were not only nobles, but also simple, but heroic people. There were St. George's gentlemen, there were millionaire merchants from the peasants, there were Lomonosov, Zhukovsky, Tsiolkovsky and many others.

This is the second level. Started from the top, gradually going down. But qualitatively spoil everything that you can reach. For the main combat task is to condemn everything and everyone. I do not know if you noticed that today the topic of the Communists has almost disappeared.

20 years ago all dogs were hung on them. And today they seem to be good. Today, in the trend to spit on great scientists, great designers, great artists. It turns out not perfect they lived. Women were on the side, they drank vodka, even betrayed their comrades. Great commanders are already famous not for victories in the Great Patriotic War, but for how many trophies they took to their dacha ...

So that the overwhelming majority of those who through 6 will become an active (well, as far as possible) electorate, have one gyrus in their head. And she led in the right direction.

And all these reflections on how everything was in the USSR is harmful and interferes.

By the way, here really thanks for not having 37 in the yard. In those days, dissent really sucks ended.

So we still podyhtym, yes. But - not very effective and not very long. Firstly, because sooner or later die out (we look at items about medicine, increased retirement age and other pleasures such as excises), and secondly, going into the category of old fart, which no one will listen to, we will not hear anything.

Nevertheless, this problem before the leading people to Great Russia stands oh as relevant. We are alive. Both fathers and grandfathers are tenacious. How many years have passed since the end of the war, and veterans are still alive. Little, but alive. And the Afghans are alive. Not to mention the young participants of the Caucasian Wars. And we can rise, as shown by the events in the Donbas. To rise without a command from above, without agitation, without beautiful words. Go and win or die for the idea.

True, but why all these evil feelings? Why stories about how it was not so bad to live in the Union? In the furnace. At the dustbin of history through discredit. And no one will listen to the "scoops". And uninteresting, and no meaning. Nothing like? Have you heard these words recently from your son, grandson, nephew? By the way, we noticed, we are no longer offended by the "scoop". It is like an honorary title. Strange, but this is a fact.

A fact that is worth noting, but which should not be offended.

After all, ahead is the Shining Path to Great Russia.

The herd will go. Calmly and strumming bells. And vigorous shouts of “Ye-geeeee!” And for the shepherds do not worry, yes. Shepherds will prepare. In Cambridge, Oxford, Princeton and HSE. It's all clear.

The herd is successfully raised.
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  1. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 23 January 2018 06: 26 New
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    Unfortunately, the Patriotism declared by the authorities is not an official Ideology of our State. Indeed, in order to become an official ideology, he needs to be given legal force. And on the basis of a violation of the law, someone to shoot.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 January 2018 06: 46 New
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      The article is correct and written from the heart. For one hundred percent ZA. There is no future for the country without ideals and principles. Without raising a generation that will replace us .. And the fact that the country will have another gas pipe shows only the weakness and worthlessness of power .. If everything else is in the pen.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 23 January 2018 07: 07 New
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        Here, very interesting definitions, clearly and concisely.
        Ideological gazebo on the Russia-2 website.
        Capitalism is understood as a social system governed by such a social ideology that understands the freedom of each subject exclusively as the freedom to realize his consumer desires, which are usually unrestrained by reason, morality and conscience and expressed in the acquisition of material goods and various pleasures, limited solely by his wealth in a passive and active forms. It is noted that under capitalism, power is the same understood as the pleasure of violence (passive form) and at the same time wealth in an active form.
        Wealth in a passive form - objects of property, acquired for their livelihoods for pleasure, free money, power.
        Active wealth is the means of production, including variable production capital, and goods for speculative resale in the future, including real estate, stocks, power, etc., allowing to increase wealth without the need for personal labor.
        At the same time, human feelings themselves turn into goods. For example, the greed of people with public power is bought for money and turns into corruption.
        Etc.
        The ideology of capitalism is the “religion of money”, which reflects the social behavior of the subject of the monetary hierarchy, as subservience to the larger “figure of capital” and contempt for the lesser, causing the insatiable desire of the religion of money to move to an ever higher level of the monetary hierarchy.

        Socialism is understood as a social system governed by such a humanistic ideology that ensures the freedom to realize the fundamental rights of every person to life, work, housing, education, medical care for all members of society and the freedom to realize consumer desires on a monetary basis in the manner of personal labor services to society, while limiting these desires to the need for supremacy of public interests and public morality, maintaining high morality, conscience and vstva debt to society.
        The ideology of socialism is the communist ideology of social equality of people whose hierarchical place in society is determined not by wealth, but solely by public authority, based on merit of work and life deeds of the individual.

        The fundamental difference between capitalism and socialism lies in the fact that under capitalism, a person’s social significance is determined by his wealth (social power is the same wealth, but exists in a different form), and under socialism, by merit to society.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 23 January 2018 07: 12 New
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          That is why in the USSR, a noble milkmaid or a noble miner enjoyed no less respect in society than a famous designer or academician. And the Supreme Soviet of the USSR consisted in the vast majority of such respected people from different walks of life. Therefore, there was no conflict between socialist legislation and the overwhelming majority of society, which exists today.
          A society can become monolithic and strong only in one case when the value guidelines of the state ideology (religion) are shared by the majority of society.
          1. dSK
            dSK 23 January 2018 08: 00 New
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            Quote: Pax tecum
            Society can become monolithic and strong only in one case, when the value guidelines of state ideology (religion) are divided by the majority of society.
            That is why Orthodoxy turned the principality of Kiev into Russia. hi
            1. andj61
              andj61 23 January 2018 15: 03 New
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              Quote: dsk
              Quote: Pax tecum
              Society can become monolithic and strong only in one case, when the value guidelines of state ideology (religion) are divided by the majority of society.
              That is why Orthodoxy turned the principality of Kiev into Russia. hi

              Only not the Principality of Kiev turned into Russia, but the Grand Principality of Moscow - Kiev did not exist then ...
              And the concept of "Kievan Rus" was much broader than the "Kievan principality", although Kiev was, of course, the main throne in Kievan Rus, but it was by no means the only one. hi
              1. dSK
                dSK 23 January 2018 17: 05 New
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                Hello Andrey!
                Quote: andj61
                The Kiev Principality
                - the cradle of Orthodox Russia. This story is already 1000 years old.
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                Do you have the coat of arms of Bryansk or the Bryansk region on your nickname? hi
                1. andj61
                  andj61 24 January 2018 08: 37 New
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                  Quote: dsk
                  Hello Andrey!
                  Quote: andj61
                  The Kiev Principality
                  - the cradle of Orthodox Russia. This story is already 1000 years old.
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                  Do you have the coat of arms of Bryansk or the Bryansk region on your nickname? hi

                  Bryansk. The coat of arms of the Bryansk region is somewhat different. And it was finally approved quite recently, although in Soviet times the emblem of the region was almost the same. hi
                  The emblem of the Bryansk region was approved by the Bryansk Regional Duma on November 5, 1998 by the Law of the Bryansk Region “On the Symbols of the Bryansk Region”. is a French shield in blue. Blue - the color of the shield - the color of Slavic unity adopted in heraldry, symbolizes the region's membership in Slavism.
                  In the lower part of the shield, three golden rays diverge from one point, dividing the shield into three parts, each of which is a symbol of the unity of the Slavic states: Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. The same element carries a second semantic load - the historical geopolitical position of the Bryansk region on the convergence of the borders of the three Slavic states.
                  At the top of the shield is a stylized image of a golden spruce with a three-tier crown as a well-recognized symbol of the Bryansk Forest. Against the background of the central part, the emblem of the city of Bryansk is depicted, which carries a multifaceted symbolic load. Bryansk is the capital city of the region.
                  The symbolism of the historical coat of arms of Bryansk reflects the characteristic features of the region and its inhabitants: industrial power and patriotism.
                  The emblem is bordered with an oak wreath, defining the status of the region as a subject of the Russian Federation, endowed with the rights of state power. The wreath is intertwined with order ribbons: the right side is interlaced with the ribbon of the Order of Lenin, which was awarded to Bryansk in 1967, and the left side is interlaced with the medal “Partisan of the Great Patriotic War”.
                  In the gap of an oak wreath above the center of the coat of arms, a sickle and hammer are depicted, symbolizing not only the indestructible union of workers and peasants, but also the fact that the Bryansk region is a new territorial formation created during the Soviet regime.

          2. passing
            passing 23 January 2018 14: 08 New
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            That is why in the USSR, a noble milkmaid or a noble miner enjoyed no less respect in society than a famous designer or academician


            And now, Buzova thanked 5 subscribers. This is darkness.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 23 January 2018 07: 33 New
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          Quote: Pax tecum
          By capitalism is meant a social structure,

          Where did you get this? by the way, in our society there is no Capitalism. Capital is value giving rise to new value, with the help of labor of course. In our country, there are luxuries in your comment, appearing as passive wealth. Capital is exported from us. And even not so much by oligarchs as by businessmen, they buy cars, telephones, rags, fishing rods, etc. .... Capitalism as a state system implies the accumulation and development of Capital. those. means of production, use of the raw material base, training of specialists ... Countries of developed Capital use us as a market, a bazaar with a developed sales structure. We do not have Capitalism, we have the Occupation with Capitulation.
        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 23 January 2018 10: 39 New
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          Quote: Pax tecum
          The fundamental difference between capitalism and socialism lies in the fact that under capitalism, a person’s social significance is determined by his wealth (social power is the same wealth, but exists in a different form), and under socialism, by merit to society.

          Socialism ruined the flaw material motivation: lack of interest of the individual in the results of labor, expressed in salary, receiving material wealth; what is now called “egalitarianism”.
          Capitalism is ruining excessive interest in material motivationexpressed in unlimited by any - neither moral nor physical norms - personal needs, the accumulation of capital, the strengthening of personal power.
          -------------------------------------------
          China - successfully (???) - overcome this lack of socialism?
          1. andj61
            andj61 23 January 2018 15: 06 New
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            Quote: CONTROL
            Socialism ruined the lack of material motivation: the individual's lack of interest in the results of labor, expressed in wages, in obtaining material wealth; what is now called “egalitarianism”.

            I want to clarify - socialism ruined the transfer of power into the hands of the party bureaucracy, and what you write is the result of the activities of the party bureaucracy, and by no means signs inherent in socialism. hi
        4. Lebedev
          Lebedev 23 January 2018 11: 10 New
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          Right, short and capacious
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 January 2018 07: 55 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        There is no future for a country without ideals and principles.

        There are ideals: President of Russia:
        for Russia there can be no other unifying idea, except patriotism. “This is a national idea»

        The principles are in the Constitution of Russia.
        Learn a million ways, get smarter, work, live, EVERYTHING is for this, even abroad you can do it.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 44 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          There are ideals: President of Russia:

          Quote: Olgovich
          except patriotism. “This is a national idea”
          This is just a pun, no more. Patriotism must have some foundation under it, and a strong one. There will be no this basis, there will be no patriotism.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 23 January 2018 10: 47 New
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            Quote: Greenwood
            Patriotism must have some foundation under it, and a strong one.

            Patriotism is the basis.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 23 January 2018 14: 55 New
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              Patriotism is the basis.
              Is the promise of athletes, citizens of their country to the Olympics is patriotism?
          2. Varyag77
            Varyag77 23 January 2018 12: 29 New
            +1
            Do you need to be registered somewhere to be a patriot? Then you confuse God's gift with fried eggs
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 January 2018 20: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Greenwood
            Patriotism must have some basis,

            +++ The basis should be any legal consequences for persons acting unpatriotic.
        2. SERGUS
          SERGUS 23 January 2018 12: 50 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          There are ideals: President of Russia:

          Well then pray to him: "God save the Tsar!" Ideals should be higher than the President so that he "leads" the country to these ideals. And if the President is ideal, then the President rests on his laurels, everyone else has the goal of becoming the President, which, in principle, corresponds to today's reality - everyone just wants power and wealth, to be deputies and top managers.
          1. Sergey Koryagin
            Sergey Koryagin 24 January 2018 08: 45 New
            +1
            100%!!!!! Unfortunately + you can shoot only single shots, and so you want a queue.
        3. zenion
          zenion 23 January 2018 19: 13 New
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          What and who’s patriotism ?!
        4. Inturist
          Inturist 24 January 2018 01: 27 New
          +1
          It will not be easy for them, those who rely on the truth of authority, instead of relying on the authority of truth.

          - Gerald Massey
      3. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 23 January 2018 08: 32 New
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        Brilliant article! Short and succinct. Education, culture, sports, science - these are things for the collapse and trampling of which Putin & the company are fully responsible! And this is precisely the reason why I will not vote for him! I do not believe him, not once lied.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 23 January 2018 10: 44 New
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          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Brilliant article! Short and succinct. Education, culture, sports, science - these are things for the collapse and trampling of which Putin & the company are fully responsible! And this is precisely the reason why I will not vote for him! I do not believe him, not once lied.

          Putin took Yeltsin's country "in fragments" ... and still has not restored!
          ----------------------------------
          Someone at VO once said: there is no return to socialism, and it cannot be! Passed, they say, the stage ... the story!
          But - has Russia successfully returned to capitalism in the 90s? Easy!
          But will it be easier to return to socialism, taking into account accumulated experience? In the presence of "political will" ... - expressed in ....?
          1. andj61
            andj61 23 January 2018 15: 14 New
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            Quote: CONTROL
            Someone at VO once said: there is no return to socialism, and it cannot be! Passed, they say, the stage ... the story!
            But - has Russia successfully returned to capitalism in the 90s? Easy!
            But will it be easier to return to socialism, taking into account accumulated experience? In the presence of "political will" ... - expressed in ....?

            good Perhaps it will be much easier to return to socialism!
            It is enough to slowly transfer the leading manufacturing sectors into state ownership. Especially those who still live on the Soviet backlogs and on nation-wide resources. The mass of enterprises of small and medium owners should not be nationalized, especially those that were created by labor and not received as a gift in those years when public property was taken. hi
      4. kapitan92
        kapitan92 23 January 2018 09: 22 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        The article is correct and written from the heart.

        I subscribe. The article addresses serious sore issues: education, medicine, sports development, industry.
        They didn’t think about it: the anthem’s music is old - the text is new, the tricolor and stars on the towers of the Kremlin, Yekaterinburg and Sverdlovsk Region, St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region. The country "hung" in limbo. A state without ideology is an empty ring!
        Quote: 210ox
        And the fact that the country will have another gas pipe shows only the weakness and worthlessness of power ..

        The country has been turned into a gas station in Europe. In addition to weakness and worthlessness, the venality of power must be added. Now the full picture! hi
        1. Ragoz
          Ragoz 23 January 2018 20: 05 New
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          kapitan 92:
          In addition to your comment:
          Take a look at the modern coat of arms - a scepter and a power crowned with a large crown - that means we have an empire and the emperor is at the head of the country. Two small crowns symbolized small and white Russia, i.e. Ukraine and Belarus, where are they? So what kind of state is our country at present?
      5. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 23 January 2018 10: 43 New
        +2
        A musical pause ... But. says a lot ...
    2. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 23 January 2018 06: 50 New
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      “For the lower natures there is nothing nicer than to avenge your insignificance by throwing the filth of your views and opinions into everything great and holy.” V.G. Belinsky
    3. dSK
      dSK 23 January 2018 07: 45 New
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      Quote: aybolyt678
      ideology
      Every nation is a patriot of their country. The main foundation lies deeper - from the Holy Gospel of Mark - 10: 42-45 "Jesus, having called them, said to them: you know that the people revered by the princes dominate them, and their nobles rule them. But let it not be so between you: but whoever wants to be more between you, let him be your servant; and whoever wants to be the first between you, be all a slave. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to minister and give His soul for the redemption of many. " hi
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 January 2018 08: 07 New
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        Quote: dsk
        The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and give His soul for the redemption of many. "

        that is, the social significance of human actions is the main measure. Jesus was the first ideal Communist. But unfortunately he did not create his own Party, and the church is more concerned with the soul after death and not with the body during life.
        1. dSK
          dSK 23 January 2018 09: 26 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          preoccupied with soul after death
          First of all, during life, a person’s soul hurts, the body cannot be healthy, as a doctor you are well aware of this. As they say - "all diseases are from nerves."
          After death, a person can no longer fix anything, only relatives with their prayers for the dead can improve the posthumous state of his soul. Listen to the requiem in the church.
          1. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 23 January 2018 10: 12 New
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            Quote: dsk
            only relatives with their prayers for the departed can improve the posthumous state of his soul.

            “For it is not the grave that praises you, death does not praise you, those who have not descended into the grave trust in your truth. The living, only the living will glorify you” (Isa. 38: 18,19)
            And everyone was judged according to his deeds. "(Revelation 0: 20).
            “so as not to mourn the many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication and indecency that they did” (2 Cor 12:21).
          2. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 23 January 2018 12: 19 New
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            Quote: dsk
            only relatives with their prayers for the departed can improve the posthumous state of his soul. Listen to the requiem in the church.

            and how to improve it? if heaven or hell, a little here or there ?, you think God will compromise with sin because the relatives asked?, do not confuse Christianity and merchants with rituals
            1. dSK
              dSK 23 January 2018 17: 49 New
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              Hello Stas!
              Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
              do not confuse

              "To whom the church is not mother, God is not the father ". “The collective is a great power” - I remember this from school. One “collective” liturgy costs hundreds of house prayers.
              Cauldrons and tar of hell are the decoration of those torments that the soul experiences after the death of the body, when gluttony, greed, anger, fornication and other passions begin to torment it, but there is no way to satisfy it - the body is not. Therefore, relatives and ask in their prayers - "God bless the souls of the departed (name), and forgive them all sins, free and involuntary. And grant them the kingdom of heaven." This helps primarily descendants. Real, practical experience - my father died from "scorched" vodka, and the children do not drink, at all. hi
              1. Tatanka Yotanka
                Tatanka Yotanka 23 January 2018 18: 29 New
                +3
                Quote: dsk
                To whom the church is not a mother, God is not a father
                -take a lot on yourself
                no one comes to the Father as soon as through Me. (John 14)
                Quote: dsk
                that the soul experiences after the death of the body, when it begins to torment

                and the dead know nothing and there is no retribution to them anymore, because their memory is also forgotten; And their love and their hatred, and their jealousy have already disappeared, and for them there is no more part forever in anything that is done under the sun ”(Eccl. 9: 5-6).
                And man dies, and breaks up; walked away, and where is he? ... So a man will lie down and not get up; until the end of heaven he wakes up, and does not rise from his sleep ... Are his children honored, He does not know; are humiliated he does not notice”(Job 14:10, 12, 21).
                His spirit goes out, and he returns to his land; in that day all his thoughts disappear"(Psalm 145: 4).
                Quote: dsk
                One “collective” liturgy costs hundreds of house prayers.

                But when you pray, enter your room and, having shut your door, pray to your Father, who is secretly; and your Father who sees the secret will reward you clearly. ” (Matthew 6: 6).
                find me in the liturgy scripture
                1. dSK
                  dSK 24 January 2018 00: 24 New
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                  Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                  in the scripture about the liturgy

                  Liturgy (Greek: λειτουργία - “service”, "common cause") - the most important Christian worship in historical churches during which the Eucharist is performed (Greek εὐ-χᾰριστία - thanksgiving, gratitude, appreciation from Greek. Εὖ - good, blessing and Greek χάρις - reverence, honor, respect), Holy communion Evening of the Lord: "And when they ate, Jesus he took bread and, having blessed, broke it, and, distributing to his disciples, he said: take, eat: this is my body. And taking the cup and thanking, he served them and said: drink everything from it, for This is My Blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matthew 26: 26-28) Only in the temple and only ordained priests can do this and take communion to their flock, and only after confession. And at home, at least “Our Father” before a meal and do not forget to cross the table with food.
                  1. dSK
                    dSK 24 January 2018 01: 23 New
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                    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                    and the dead know nothing
                    We live according to the New Testament, the Good News of Jesus Christ, and the Old Testament is read for information. "And about the dead, that they will rise again, Didn’t you read in the book of Moses how God at the dome said to him: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. So, you are very mistaken. " (Mark 12: 26-27)
                    1. dSK
                      dSK 24 January 2018 01: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                      no one comes to the Father as soon as through Me. (John 14)
                      That's right, but not according to your songs, gentlemen Adventists. Mormons and other Jehovah's Witnesses. Sing them on the state reserves to the remnants of the North American Indians.
                      “Verily, verily, I say unto you, whoever does not enter the sheep’s yard through the door, but climbs the inudes, he is a thief and a robber; but the shepherd who enters the door opens the door for him, and the sheep obey his voice, and he calls his sheep by name and leads them, and when he will bring out his sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. All, no matter how many come before Me, are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not listen to them. A thief comes only to steal, kill and destroy. I came to have life and have more. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd puts his life for the sheep. But the mercenary, not the shepherd, to whom the sheep are not his own, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees; and the wolf plunders the sheep, and disperses them. A mercenary flees, because a mercenary, and does not care about the sheep. I am the good shepherd; and I know Mine, and Mine know Me. As the Father knows Me, so do I know the Father; and I lay my life for the sheep. I also have other sheep, which are not of this court, and they are to be brought to Me: and they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and one Shepherd." (John 10)
                      1. Tatanka Yotanka
                        Tatanka Yotanka 24 January 2018 09: 19 New
                        +2
                        Quote: dsk
                        not on your songs, gentlemen Adventists. Mormons and other Jehovah's Witnesses. Sing them on the state reserves to the remnants of the North American Indians.

                        what relation to me? about the Orthodox inquisition and the burning of schismatics do not know?
                        Quote: dsk
                        All, no matter how many come before Me, are thieves and robbers

                        Quote: dsk
                        one flock and one Shepherd

                        That's it, a lot of them divorced
                        next post in a personal off-topic atoms hi
                    2. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 24 January 2018 09: 14 New
                      +2
                      Quote: dsk
                      and the Old Testament is read for information.

                      if the old covenant will be dead is it contrary to the new where it is said that they will be resurrected?
                      1. dSK
                        dSK 24 January 2018 14: 35 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        where is it said that they will be resurrected?
                        Ibid: "Jesus answered them: Are you misled by this, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, then they will neither marry nor marry, but will be like angels in heaven. " (Mark 12: 24-25)
                  2. Tatanka Yotanka
                    Tatanka Yotanka 24 January 2018 09: 11 New
                    +2
                    a simple conversation between Christ and the disciples does not even remotely resemble the liturgy
                    Quote: dsk
                    Only in the temple and only ordained priests can

                    where it is written and who authorized
                2. EwgenyZ
                  EwgenyZ 24 January 2018 15: 21 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                  Quote: dsk
                  To whom the church is not a mother, God is not a father
                  -take a lot on yourself

                  “To whom the church is not a mother, God is not the father” (Cyprian of Carthage, c. 249). The holy martyr quoted you.
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 23 January 2018 11: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Jesus was the first ideal Communist. But unfortunately he did not create his own Party, and the church is more concerned with the soul after death and not with the body during life.

          Jesus was not the first communist. He came from an ideal society to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" to give them real knowledge about God, about an ideal society, to wean them from Satanism. They killed him for this, later proclaiming a Jew and using his martyrdom for his own purposes - to concoct people a new religion, sort of based on the teachings of Christ, but essentially the same Jewish one, only for white people to convert them into slaves .
          1. Inturist
            Inturist 24 January 2018 01: 42 New
            0
            + + +
            You need to know and remember this.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 23 January 2018 10: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: dsk
        Quote: aybolyt678
        ideology
        Every nation is a patriot of their country. The main foundation lies deeper - from the Holy Gospel of Mark - 10: 42-45 "Jesus, having called them, said to them: you know that the people revered by the princes dominate them, and their nobles rule them. But let it not be so between you: but whoever wants to be more between you, let him be your servant; and whoever wants to be the first between you, be all a slave. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to minister and give His soul for the redemption of many. " hi

        And I turned and saw under the sun that the successful run was won for the agile, the victory was not brave, the bread was not wise, the wealth was not for the rational, and the grace was not skillful, but time and chance were for all of them. Ecclesiastes 9:11
        ... and chance - God the inventor (???) (A.S. Pushkin)
    4. Vend
      Vend 23 January 2018 10: 13 New
      +7
      We already went through this in 1917, "The old state machine must be destroyed to the ground and a new one built." It is necessary to preserve all the advantages of the Soviet era.
  2. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 23 January 2018 06: 33 New
    +4
    The article traditionally swears the younger generation, however, what have we done to counter Advertising? But from the point of view of the child - Advertising is a fairy tale with a happy ending
    1. dSK
      dSK 23 January 2018 07: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: aybolyt678
      counter advertising
      Its contents. Advertising is a means of production, you can cut bread with a knife, you can kill it.
  3. siberalt
    siberalt 23 January 2018 06: 35 New
    17
    We have minus 45 now. I went for Kazakh cigarettes (there are already not enough for Russian pensions). He was afraid that they would not trade in cold weather, but they managed it. He took a couple of blocks, until the end of frost should be enough. I’m going home and thinking, and who the hell needs my vote in the presidential election? All one, no one will hear us. recourse
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 January 2018 06: 53 New
      19
      Yeah. That's just your ballot will be used as they want. You need to go. Even if there is no alternative. If you are against this government and do not see anyone worthy among the candidates, at least spoil this piece of paper.
      Quote: siberalt
      We have minus 45 now. I went for Kazakh cigarettes (there are already not enough for Russian pensions). He was afraid that they would not trade in cold weather, but they managed it. He took a couple of blocks, until the end of frost should be enough. I’m going home and thinking, and who the hell needs my vote in the presidential election? All one, no one will hear us. recourse
      1. mastervojaka
        mastervojaka 23 January 2018 07: 35 New
        +5
        The so-called "pieces of paper" that are spoiled are not taken into account, so there is no sense in spoiling it, from the word at all. You really need to give someone your vote, there will be no columns “against all”.
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 23 January 2018 08: 40 New
          10
          Quote: mastervojaka
          The so-called "pieces of paper" that are spoiled are not taken into account, so there is no sense in spoiling it, from the word at all.

          The point of damaging a piece of paper is that this piece of paper does not vote as “right” to the authorities or some other unnecessary forces. Spoiled ones are naturally not taken into account when voting, but they are taken into account when analyzing the general quorum.
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 23 January 2018 11: 13 New
            +3
            The point of damaging a piece of paper is that this piece of paper does not vote as “right” to the authorities or some other unnecessary forces.

            I don’t hint at anything, but I know for sure that, for example, in Kazakhstan, a double set of ballots is being printed for the elections
      2. Fox
        Fox 23 January 2018 10: 13 New
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        Your newsletter will be used as they want

        not quite so ... or rather not at all. at the polling stations, the calculation is done as it should, and the percentage is the same as what is needed ... election-fake. write-off of the budget dough.
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 23 January 2018 10: 14 New
      16
      A vote respecting their dignity, weak? Throw your grain of sand on the scales of justice? May the authorities not hear you, but your conscience sees right through you!
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 23 January 2018 11: 21 New
      12
      Quote: siberalt
      and who the hell needs my vote in the presidential election? All one, no one will hear us.

      NO, they always hear us and very clearly. How the results are calculated is another question. But they must know how many people are against the current government. This is the first. Secondly, it is impossible by its tacit consent to contribute to the outrage created. Are we Russian people or sheep - where will the shepherd lead, and wander there?
      1. SERGUS
        SERGUS 23 January 2018 13: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Svetlana
        But they must know how many people are against the current government.

        Yes, they all know, look at social polls, elections and more. ANYWHERE there was no result showing that the majority of the people than something is not enough. It turns out that most are happy with everything. A liberal society is built, as it turns out.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 23 January 2018 13: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: SERGUS
          Quote: Svetlana
          But they must know how many people are against the current government.

          Yes, they all know, look at social polls, elections and more. ANYWHERE there was no result showing that the majority of the people than something is not enough. It turns out that most are happy with everything. A liberal society is built, as it turns out.

          You do not understand how these opinion polls are conducted and for what purpose? To show us the same. And to convince us that we think not what we think, but what the opinion poll shows. And we want not what we want, but what the opinion poll showed. Have you ever been asked about anything? Something is missing from me. And my relatives and friends. What does the opinion poll have to do with it?
          1. SERGUS
            SERGUS 23 January 2018 17: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Svetlana
            You do not understand how these opinion polls are conducted and for what purpose?

            Well, I still don’t believe in global deception, if that were the case, then it is unlikely that, according to the same opinion polls, Stalin would be given such high places. And even if the work of the GDP was not quite more than half of the population, it would still have manifested itself somewhere. Therefore, his ratings may be inflated, but the majority of IMHO are satisfied with such a life with its values. Why? This is another question, the absence of a worthy candidate, or the fear that it will be worse, as they say, there is food for thought.
    4. Alf
      Alf 23 January 2018 21: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: siberalt
      and who the hell needs my vote in the presidential election?

      Consider voted for Putin.
  4. vlad007
    vlad007 23 January 2018 06: 41 New
    +4
    And in the days of the USSR, and now there were and are different people. Speaking specifically about people, the authors generalize to distortion. Art, yes, I agree with the authors, sank thoroughly, but the representatives of the arts themselves talk about it and point out the reason ... LACK OF IDEOLOGY. Amazingly, those who used to say that everything is ideological, now they say that they lack ideology.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 23 January 2018 06: 44 New
      17
      Once again I thought about the movie "Upward Movement" - because why it is so popular - but because the team of basketball players of the Soviet Union won! That’s nostalgia and struck, and not the special artistic value of the film. But this is my opinion .....
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 23 January 2018 07: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        but because the team of basketball players of the Soviet Union won!

        No matter how hard they try to create the USSR 2.0, nothing will come of it.
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 23 January 2018 08: 44 New
          21
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          but because the team of basketball players of the Soviet Union won!

          No matter how hard they try to create the USSR 2.0, nothing will come of it.

          Do not need. And we must take all the best from the experience of the USSR and the current flawed capitalist and make a competent compilation. However, due to inertness, inferiority and stupidity, our hands-leaders are not capable of such a thing in principle.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 23 January 2018 08: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            However, due to inertness, inferiority and stupidity, our hands-leaders are not capable of such a thing in principle.

            "Whatever the plant releases, the Kalashnikov assault rifle is still coming out."
            The system of relations between people, built on the principle of states, is in principle incapable of any changes. Any leader, whether he wants it or not, will be included in this system. Neither any revolutions, nor any leaders (Grozny, Stalin, Putin) are able to change it until the people themselves want it, and so that he wants it, you need to give him alternative knowledge that is hidden not only from the people, but also from called the elite.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 10: 39 New
              15
              Boris, exclude Putin from the top three! He is no match for Stalin and Grozny, no matter how you like it.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 23 January 2018 12: 22 New
                0
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                He is no match for Stalin and Grozny

                Each of them works (worked) in the conditions that exist (were). Each of them faces (stood) the same task - to make the layer between them and the people work for the interests of the country. And Grozny, and Stalin, and Putin-basically managed to do it. Respected Russia under Grozny and Stalin - respected. Respect Russia today - respect.
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 14: 38 New
                  +6
                  Stalin and Grozny were never a layer! Yes, indeed everyone worked in their own years, but the former were able to jump out of the tick of circumstances, and the latter, alas, no!
                2. freddyk
                  freddyk 23 January 2018 15: 19 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Respect Russia today - respect.


                  Well, a very controversial statement. Russia is not respected today, Russia is being humiliated today. All that Russia is capable of now is a deep concern.
                3. Alf
                  Alf 23 January 2018 22: 01 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Boris55
                  And Grozny, and Stalin, and Putin-basically managed to do it.

                  Did Putin succeed ??? It’s ridiculous. What did rotenberg do? prokhorov? timchenko? abramovich?
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 January 2018 11: 06 New
        +4
        But many say that from the artistic side the film wins against the background of most of our film products. One claim is the image of the Lithuanian athlete, who, as they say, was not really anti-Soviet even then, and now regrets the collapse of the USSR.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 January 2018 07: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: vlad007
      representatives of the arts themselves talk about this and point out as a reason ... LACK OF IDEOLOGY.

      representatives of the arts are subordinate to the Ministry of Culture, and Culture, according to one definition, is a system of internal restrictions. Limitations, according to artists, is lack of freedom. Everything is so mixed up laughing
      The trouble is the lack of clear concepts. For example, tolerance, lack of an immune response, a tolerant organism is defenseless against the disease, and in Europe it is cultivated, and even punished for its absence.
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 23 January 2018 07: 42 New
      0
      Quote: vlad007
      Amazingly, those who used to say that everything is ideological, now they say that they lack ideology.

      We have more than enough ideologies, but those who allegedly lack it have a completely different goal - to consolidate the eternal ideology of their party in the Constitution forever and, as a result, to ban all others.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 January 2018 08: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        but for those who would have missed her,

        they just don’t know what to fight with! Everything is allowed! even men's ballets.
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 10: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: vlad007
      And in the days of the USSR, and now there were and are different people. Speaking specifically about people, the authors generalize to distortion. Art, yes, I agree with the authors, sank thoroughly, but the representatives of the arts themselves talk about it and point out the reason ... LACK OF IDEOLOGY. Amazingly, those who used to say that everything is ideological, now they say that they lack ideology.

      "... representatives of the arts"? These ones: - The ballet of Kirill Serebrennikov (under investigation) "Nuriev". (The performance is triumphantly going on in Moscow so far ... it is actively attended by the cultural and political "elite", the oligarchy, members - ??? - of the Russian government and government officials ... "people" do not watch - disapprove!)
    5. a housewife
      a housewife 23 January 2018 12: 33 New
      +2
      Michelangelo lacked ideology! Leonard had enough, Shishkin and Kuindzhi, Pavlova and Volkov, Bryullov, Mozart, Bach, Rastrelli, but all the greats had enough ideology! Not enough - to whom?
  5. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 23 January 2018 06: 53 New
    28
    In the 1952 year, Stalin, in his work “The Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR,” raised the question of switching to 5-6 hour work hours, so that citizens of the country could spend the rest of their time on their personal lives, development and leisure.
    “It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they have the opportunity to freely choose a profession, and not to be confined for life, due to the existing division of labor, to one particular profession ...
    ... For this, it is necessary, further, to radically improve housing conditions and raise the real wages of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the wage and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. ”

    And now?! For the current government, it’s like a nightmare. Capitalism, however.
    And, as it was, questions about raising the retirement age did not arise during the Union, and yet they pulled themselves half the world, without exaggeration.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 23 January 2018 07: 29 New
      +7
      Raise your salary without filling up - just discount the money. And prices can rise by the same amount.
      1. E_V_N
        E_V_N 23 January 2018 10: 40 New
        10
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Raising a salary without filling is just a hassle

        Each salary level has its own consumption basket, if the salary is equal to the minimum 7800, except for bread, potatoes and milk, you do not need any goods, you do not need to buy them anything and there is meat for sale or it will be of little interest to you in short supply, even better that there was a shortage of meat ... less temptations. There will be a salary of 15 you will need a "cheap sausage", with a salary of 000 you will be interested in meat, 30 you need "good meat", clothes, household appliances ... and so on. So, there’s no need to talk about “commodity filling”, each salary level has its own set and if you raise the minimum salary even 000 times, I don’t think that it will affect you, because you don’t care about the shortage of bread and potatoes, you’re worried " jamon and parmesan. "
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 January 2018 07: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: Pax tecum
      but they pulled on themselves half the world, without exaggeration.

      if, in those days, we had built an enterprise in India or Africa, we would have claimed the right to dispose of 5% of our profits, right now there would have been Communism.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 23 January 2018 08: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        would have claimed the right to dispose of 5% of the profit, Right now there would have been Communism.

        It is interesting, and how does 5% of capitalism only fit into you and at the same time the thought of communism? laughing
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 23 January 2018 18: 04 New
          0
          it is said, with the world by thread of a beggar shirt. 5% of free money to the budget, the general level rises. The concept of Capitalism is being revised, Communism can also be revised.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 January 2018 09: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Pax tecum
      В 1952 year Stalin, in his work "The economic problems of socialism in the USSR", raised the question of switching to a 5-6 hour work day so that the citizens of the country could spend the rest of the time on their personal lives, development and leisure


      Read the letters of citizens 1952 r about how they spent time "on rest and development" - standing in thousandth bursts for bread and other things, but rather, about the hunger of the early 1950s .https: //zapadrus.su/rusmir/istf/1671-poslednij-s
      talinskij-golod-krizis-prodovolstvennogo-obespech
      eniya-v-sssr-nachala-1950-kh-gg.html
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 23 January 2018 12: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        to stand in the thousandth queues for bread and other things, but more simply, about the famine of the beginning of 1950's

        Belarusian resource of Belarusian opposition ... I came to Belarus in 62. You know - not any queues. What was especially memorable - the pyramids of cans from canned food of all stripes and condensed milk ...
        Queues? No, I haven’t. Although not. When the day shift ended at the factory at 5 in the evening, all the people rushed to the store and a queue was created because at 7 o'clock in the evening it closed and you won’t buy anything anywhere else - if only to a neighbor for salt or matches ... but this is a completely different story.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 January 2018 09: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Belarussian resource of Belarusian opposition ... I came to Belarus in 62nd. You know - not any queues. What is especially memorable is the pyramid of cans from canned food of all stripes and condensed milk ..

          It is about 1952 year and thousandth queues for BREAD, which is documented.
          Quote: Boris55
          Belarusian resource of Belarusian opposition ..

          So what? Documents ceased to be documents? request
      2. andj61
        andj61 23 January 2018 15: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        Read the letters of the citizens of 1952 about how they spent time “on rest and development” —that standing in thousandths of queues for bread and other things, or, more simply, about the hunger of the early 1950s .https: //zapadrus.su/rusmir/istf / 1671-poslednij-s
        talinskij-golod-krizis-prodovolstvennogo-obespech
        eniya-v-sssr-nachala-1950-kh-gg.html

        In the early 50's, according to my father, who was 1950 in 20 and studied at the institute, it was not full, but not hungry. The last time it was really hungry in 1947. By the way, my father lived just near the border with Belarus. But in the Bryansk and in the Gomel region in the village they lived in approximately the same conditions. hi
      3. blagorod32
        blagorod32 24 January 2018 07: 48 New
        +3
        Five years with the Great Patriotic War then passed. And what prevented us from establishing anything for 30 years of perestroika. "The cadres decide everything." With the current cadres, we can only go further into the abyss. And the normal ones will not be allowed into power.
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 11: 01 New
      +8
      Quote: Pax tecum
      In the 1952 year, Stalin, in his work “The Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR,” raised the question of switching to 5-6 hour work hours, so that citizens of the country could spend the rest of their time on their personal lives, development and leisure.

      But all the work is about 40 pages of printed text!
      ... for which - they say ... - and he "died a natural death"!
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 January 2018 18: 06 New
        +2
        I recently reread it, what kind of person was !!!
    5. Sewer krainiy
      Sewer krainiy 23 January 2018 22: 35 New
      +4
      In the 1952 year, Stalin, in his work “The Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR,” raised the question of switching to 5-6 hour work hours, so that citizens of the country could spend the rest of their time on their personal lives, development and leisure.
      He was a kid, but I remember how men gathered at our house before the holiday and my father read from the newspaper about lowering food prices ... before each holiday they expected a decrease.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 January 2018 07: 26 New
    +3
    Roman, well, maybe not everything is so gloomy? There are still people in the country who do not care.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 January 2018 08: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There are still people in the country who do not care

      those who don’t care, there’s still no way to influence real power.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 23 January 2018 08: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Roman, well, maybe not everything is so gloomy? There are still people in the country who do not care.

      Who is this?
  7. Boris55
    Boris55 23 January 2018 07: 34 New
    +5
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    it seems that some forces gave the order to decisively and irrevocably destroy everything connected with the USSR.

    Why some power? We all together vote for the EP party i.e. for the capitalist path of development and it is quite natural that one political system is trying to clear the clearing from others. Whoever believes that our people are not the same, let him look for the one that suits him - the planet is big.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 10: 41 New
      +6
      Boris, not WE but YOU! I did not vote for them.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 23 January 2018 12: 39 New
        0
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Boris, not WE but YOU! I did not vote for them.

        I did not vote for them, but ignoring the will of the majority is not reasonable. Their will must be formed before.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 14: 39 New
          0
          Most? Of all those eligible to vote, they are unlikely to gain a majority!
        2. Alf
          Alf 23 January 2018 22: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          but ignoring the will of the majority is not wise.

          The presidential election in the first round was won by Vladimir Putin, who received 45 602 075 votes, which is 63,60%, that is, more than half of the votes cast.
          71 Russian citizens took part in the presidential elections, including 780 people, including overseas, with the turnout being 800%.

          Where is the majority here? Of the 65% who came for Putin, 63% voted, i.e. from 100% of the population for Putin voted approximately 30%.
          WHERE ARE HERE THE MOST ???
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 24 January 2018 09: 00 New
            0
            If according to the figists - according to FIG, then to me figs their opinion. And why did you decide that everyone who did not vote would definitely vote against Putin?
  8. tasha
    tasha 23 January 2018 07: 39 New
    +9
    The Soviet Union rotted and fell apart.
    Such articles without real proposals, without concrete ideas are only harmful. Why do not I go to rallies - blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah .. corruption .. Right then hands drop.
    If you, dear authors, want to make useful and necessary, then at least talk personally with the same Pavel Grudinin, ask him convenient and not convenient questions. Take a trip to ZAO "State Farm named after Lenin", sniff out and scout. Talk to the workers ..
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 January 2018 07: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: tasha
      Pavel Grudinin, ask him convenient and not convenient questions.

      Power is a system. Changing people, breaking the system is very difficult, more often the system breaks a person. Leaving Putin means steadily following the same path. Put Grudinin - it is not known what will happen. After the Communist gerontocracy, Gorbi, Yeltsin will simply be terribly mistaken.
      1. tasha
        tasha 23 January 2018 08: 14 New
        +5
        Put Grudinin - it is not known what will happen.

        In any case, when the fate of the country depends on one person, there is nothing good about it.
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 January 2018 22: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Leaving Putin means steadily following the same path. Put Grudinin - it is not known what will happen.

        Fearfully ? Yes. But it has long been clear that Putin's course leads the country to death.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 22: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Alf
          But it has long been clear that Putin’s course leads the country to death

          "IMHO" forgot wink
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 23 January 2018 07: 59 New
      13
      Quote: tasha
      The Soviet Union rotted and fell apart.

      Let's cut off your head when your tooth decays. An excellent solution - by analogy with the USSR, which undoubtedly slightly rotted towards the end of its life.
      1. tasha
        tasha 23 January 2018 08: 11 New
        0
        you rot your tooth chop off your head .... a little rotten

        Watch your words. I don’t feel like writing about rot in my head ...
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 January 2018 22: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Alex_59
        Quote: tasha
        The Soviet Union rotted and fell apart.

        Let's cut off your head when your tooth decays. An excellent solution - by analogy with the USSR, which undoubtedly slightly rotted towards the end of its life.

        Even one of the main organizers of the collapse of the USSR, Yakovlev later said, the Soviet Union was seriously ill, but not so much as to use such a medicine.
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 11: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: tasha
      communicate personally with the same Pavel Grudinin, ask him convenient and uncomfortable questions. Take a trip to ZAO "State Farm named after Lenin", sniff out and scout. Talk to the workers ..

      With himself - God had mercy, did not communicate! Otherwise, he could have remained with empty pockets ...
      But with the workers, the “conversations” are very different! who is closer "to the ass of the emperor" - "approval" is continuous; but others - with diametrically opposed judgments - no matter how much more!
      But along the road through the lands of the "farm named after Lenin" I passed ... Ikeya shopping centers, pavilions of the Toyota, Ford, KIA and so on brands. (Azerbaijani cars are all, well!); and indeed, is there a lot of land leased to the "traders" at the "state farm"? And the "guest workers" are full ...
      -------------------------------
      ... and the "hard workers" say: they established a "state farm" at the general meeting; but in the protocol on the establishment of a closed joint-stock company there are a lot of signatures, and many do not remember that they signed something ... There were almost 1000 shareholders when they were created, now there are 40 shareholders left, of which approx. 48% - at the "Papa Pasha" ...
      ... Communist capitalist? ...
    4. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 14: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      If you, dear authors, want to make useful and necessary, then at least talk personally with the same Pavel Grudinin, ask him convenient and not convenient questions. Take a trip to ZAO "State Farm named after Lenin", sniff out and scout. Talk to the workers ..

      I join, it would be really cool, at the same time and the material would come out first-hand good
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 January 2018 07: 40 New
    16
    The authors as always raised a painful topic and revealed it in good faith. I agree on all points. And to whom it is necessary, besides the Americans, it’s also clear to those who are turned back from the country in which they live and earn on their so-called "opposition" is a lot of money. For them, the Soviet past is like hemorrhoids, and therefore a great desire to erase it from the memory of future generations. In the presence of 5 columns only 5 columns doubt.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 January 2018 07: 48 New
      11
      Quote: rotmistr60
      ... for them, the Soviet past as hemorrhoids ...

      It depends on the Soviet past. The one that, after the assassination of Stalin did everything to destroy his achievements, is not needed in FIG. It is for this reason that the people in the 90's did not support the CPSU.
      Quote: rotmistr60
      In stock 5 columns only the 5 column doubts itself.

      I agree to all 100%
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 January 2018 11: 18 New
        +2
        For the simple rural people, real achievements in terms of household and material benefits were mainly under Khrushchev and especially under Brezhnev. In cities, among workers, among representatives of the technical and creative intelligentsia, there were significant improvements under Stalin. The villagers had real improvements in the very late 30s and early 40s. Further war, post-war reconstruction. But in general, the situation in the countryside until the mid-late 50s was not very good. Of course, there were millionaire collective farms, collective farms of the republics of Transcaucasia, state farms (until Khrushchev in the early 60s converted a mass of weak collective farms into state farms). There the situation was better. By the way, the workers of state farms had passports, unlike collective farmers.
    2. Giants
      Giants 23 January 2018 18: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      For them, the Soviet past is like hemorrhoids, and therefore a great desire to erase it from the memory of future generations.

      Do you know when the Soviet Union will finally die? When the generation born in the 70s dies out. We are the last to remember him. And when for natural reasons we are gone, this will be our final defeat, unfortunately.
  10. Alex_59
    Alex_59 23 January 2018 07: 44 New
    33
    Well, that's right. The Soviet project was successful, so the whole world worked on its murder. Today it is customary to say, look, the Union collapsed, which means the project was not viable. But at the same time, no one recalls that his 70 years crushed the whole world (including having organized the bloodiest war in the history of mankind for this purpose), while the USSR did not bend down, but also became a leader in a number of branches of human knowledge. And all this in a severe climate. Is this not proof of his success? There is not a single power in the world who would not bend under such conditions. But what would happen if the USSR were free from this savage pressure?
    They say they lived poorly, egalitarianism. Of course it’s poor - if so many resources are exhausted by the country's defense, if you always live “under sanctions” and with a gun attached to your head. And such monsters as the USA and Europe crush you. As a result, everything is according to the Bible - they passed an advanced social system ahead of time for the sake of goodies. Yes, the USSR had problems, but if because of the problems that the USSR had to demolish the state system each time, then in the USA this would happen every 15-20 years. A patient with a runny nose was simply killed in order not to be treated, but it was only necessary to take care of him.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 January 2018 08: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: Alex_59
      They say they lived poorly, egalitarianism. Of course it’s poor - if so many resources are exhausted by the country's defense, if you always live “under sanctions” and with a gun attached to your head.

      Until 1970, we developed and were at the global level. More than 40 years have passed since then. Because they switched to oil.
      With current technologies, and to develop the domestic market, it will be closed to the world as much as possible, and we will have Happiness.
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 23 January 2018 08: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        as much as possible is closed from the world, and we will have Happiness.

        And North Korea will be ... Who will it be?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 23 January 2018 08: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        ... closest to the world ...

        Closing means lagging behind everyone else. Globalization, as the most effective way of managing, is an objective process. States that do not fit into this process run the risk of being marginalized and eventually disappearing from the map of the World.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 23 January 2018 09: 03 New
          +8
          Quote: Boris55
          Globalization, as the most effective way of managing, is an objective process.

          At all times, wars went both for resources and for markets.
          Quote: Boris55
          Closing up means lagging behind everyone else.
          And to open means to surpass consumption? laughing
          I propose a clarification: close for luxury goods and open for technology. I just think without war, globalists will not give up technology
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 23 January 2018 09: 15 New
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            I propose a clarification: close for luxury goods and open for technology.

            Globalization in Russian is described in the article by V. Putin "XXV APEC Summit in Da Nang: Together for Prosperity and Harmonious Development": http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/56023
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 23 January 2018 18: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              Globalization in Russian is described in the article by V. Putin "XXV APEC Summit in Da Nang

              I will study thanks
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 23 January 2018 20: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              Globalization in Russian is described in the article by V. Putin "XXV APEC Summit

              I studied, nothing special, just the political theses about Russia's interest in participating as a full member in this market.
          2. Alex_59
            Alex_59 23 January 2018 09: 33 New
            +9
            Quote: aybolyt678
            And to open means to surpass consumption?

            I usually urge you to look at the PRC. They very wisely understand what exactly needs to be opened, and in what to close, what to steal and what to give. Turning nuts in terms of personal consumption is the way to North Korea. It’s not possible today to be well-fed, successful, wealthy and isolated at the same time. Therefore, it is necessary to open. But you have to think with your head. In the field of heavy industry and strategic industries, China is very, very closed. There steers the party. But consumer goods - walk the field, freedom and solid capitalism.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 23 January 2018 10: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: Alex_59
              But consumer goods - walk the field, freedom and solid capitalism.

              Well do not tell! In China, very harsh conditions for private entrepreneurs, including standards for the preservation of the environment, the noise level of production and much more, for which they ask very harshly. hi
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 23 January 2018 10: 04 New
                +4
                Quote: Egoza
                Well do not tell!

                Well, I'm not in the sense that "chaos", but the fact that communist China does not deny private property and private business and gives people the opportunity to become entrepreneurs. Of course in compliance with the rules and regulations. The PRC does not follow dogmatically all the precepts of the theoreticians of communism, he ponders them and takes the best. Due to this, we see wild growth. Now, of course, it has slowed down, but what is the leap compared to 80? Heaven and earth!
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 25 January 2018 10: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  Well, I'm not in the sense that "chaos", but the fact that communist China does not deny private property and private business and gives people the opportunity to become entrepreneurs. Of course in compliance with the rules and regulations.

                  And you google the topic "IV Stalin and private entrepreneurs" - you will learn a lot of interesting things. How he treated private traders, and how he imagined their development. So China has not invented anything new. Everything was copied from Stalin !!!! tongue
                  1. Hlavaty
                    Hlavaty 25 January 2018 11: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Egoza
                    And you google the topic "IV Stalin and private entrepreneurs"

                    I just entered the line "IV Stalin and private entrepreneurs" in Google and got the answer:
                    No results were found for "IV Stalin and Private Entrepreneurs".

                    You can give some more specific links. I'm not trying to catch you - I am interested in this topic.
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 23 January 2018 11: 25 New
                +1
                But something with the environment in many provinces, things are not very there. You take into account that, unlike the beginning of the reforms, now private entrepreneurs can join the CPC, moreover, they can enter the governing bodies of the party. There are many of them in the councils of people's representatives at all levels. That is, they themselves also take part in establishing the rules of the game. Most members of the CPC Central Committee have business relatives, often very large ones.
            2. uskrabut
              uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 25 New
              +7
              Quote: Alex_59
              In the field of heavy industry and strategic industries, China is very, very closed. There steers the party. But consumer goods - walk the field, freedom and solid capitalism.

              So it was in the USSR before the arrival of Khrushchev, he smashed all the cooperatives and artels to smithereens.
            3. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 23 January 2018 18: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Alex_59
              I usually urge you to look at the PRC

              By the way, one familiar banker says that North Korea is a record holder for printing fake dollars.
            4. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 23 January 2018 20: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Alex_59
              Turning nuts in terms of personal consumption is the way to North Korea

              personal consumption of Russian goods must be increased by all means. Import restrict duties. The difference should be directed exclusively to technological breakthroughs in the most popular areas.
          3. uskrabut
            uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            I just think without war, globalists will not give up technology

            they will give for money, they gave the same jet engine in the late 40s
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 23 January 2018 21: 09 New
              0
              Quote: uskrabut
              they will give for money, they gave the same jet engine in the late 40s

              sometimes they work miracles ... they find ways to give currency for consumer goods, second-hand goods or luxury goods - the height of state stupidity.
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 23 January 2018 11: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: aybolyt678
          ... closest to the world ...

          Closing means lagging behind everyone else. Globalization, as the most effective way of managing, is an objective process. States that do not fit into this process run the risk of being marginalized and eventually disappearing from the map of the World.

          The history of our state proves the opposite. And very convincing.
        3. AA17
          AA17 23 January 2018 14: 11 New
          +3
          Dear Boris55. You should be on the Gaidar Forum. There everyone was talking about globalization. "... The host - and the forum as a whole and this meeting - Prof. V. Mau read out Putin’s greeting and gave the floor to the superstar participant: Jacob Frenkel! Frenkel is not just an“ Israeli economist ”, and not just just a former chairman of the Bank of Israel, but acting Chairman of the Board of JPMorgan Chase International. Frenkel had something to say on the declared topic “Russia and the World” and he did not say anything, calling for open markets, emphasizing that globalization is not a threat but an opportunity, but the threat is protectionism, fragmentation of markets. said On the concept and look forward to a special weight to the words will come, however, not the meaning as such, but rather what they say, out of the mouth of Aaron Frenkel Yaakoba comes not opinion and not the position, and the "installation" ....
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 January 2018 11: 21 New
        +2
        Somewhere until the mid-70s. The boundary is blurred, but the negative began to prevail somewhere in the region of 1974-1977. But, paradoxically, it was from the beginning, and especially from the mid-70s. living standards grew at a very fast pace. Look at the photos of your relatives how they dressed in the 50-60s and even in the early 70s and how at the turn of the 70-80s.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 23 January 2018 20: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          it was from the beginning and especially from the mid 70s. living standards grew at a very fast pace

          since 1968, the balance of trade with the CMEA countries showed that the amount of oil exported from the USSR exceeded the number of consumer goods purchased there. Stalin refused to sell oil to socialist countries, especially through pipelines, because he believed that pipelines did not contribute to the development of infrastructure and technology, and they would spill CMEA countries.
          and the standard of living, for oil, can always be raised, not for long. And then fight for a long time
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 24 January 2018 11: 36 New
            +2
            Stalin did not have a special position in the sale of oil. Oil at that time was barely enough. But there were fuel supplies to the countries of people's democracy. Like counter deliveries. Poles in the 50s they were very indignant that in Stalin's time coal was supplied to the USSR at very low prices.
            Under Stalin, CMEA was still a decorative structure. It really worked under Khrushchev and Brezhnev.
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 23 January 2018 08: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: Alex_59
      The Soviet project was successful, so the whole world worked on its murder. Today it is customary to say, look, the Union collapsed, which means the project was not viable. But at the same time, no one recalls that he was crushed by the whole world for 70 years (including having organized the bloodiest war in the history of mankind for this purpose), while the USSR did not bend down, but also became a leader in a number of branches of human knowledge. And all this in a severe climate. Is this not proof of his success? There is not a single power in the world who would not bend under such conditions. But what would happen if the USSR were free from this savage pressure?
      They say they lived poorly, egalitarianism. Of course it’s poor - if so many resources are exhausted by the country's defense, if you always live “under sanctions” and with a gun attached to your head. And such monsters as the USA and Europe crush you. As a result, everything is according to the Bible - they passed an advanced social system ahead of time for the sake of goodies. Yes, the USSR had problems, but if because of the problems that the USSR had to demolish the state system each time, then in the USA this would happen every 15-20 years. A patient with a runny nose was simply killed in order not to be treated, but it was only necessary to take care of him.

      Brilliantly! Sorry I can not put +100500.
    3. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex_59
      Well, that's right. The Soviet project was successful, so the whole world worked on its murder.

      What for? Did we threaten anyone? And ... let me remind you ... We didn’t try to enter the USSR from Germany, and when we served in the German Democratic Republic, it was the same happiness ... you could buy a CARPET ... what can I say to you .. for you, the main thing then and now is it’s a free office at the sadist-dentist and ... Moskvich’s car, as a dream come true .. but not all people are like that, that’s the trouble ..
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 23 January 2018 11: 30 New
        +8
        Quote: Petr1968
        What for? Did we threaten anyone?
        You ask them. The intervention, the attack of fascist Germany, the outbreak of the Cold War - all this on their own initiative. I can only assume that the USSR proposed a model of a fundamentally different world order, which completely did not suit the political elites of the leading powers of the world. They, unlike the inhabitants, were able and able to ripen to the root. They saw beyond carpets and Muscovites, understood that the USSR would overcome these temporary difficulties sooner or later. And in general, about the threats. Indians in America threatened whom? Blacks in Africa? Hindus? The West either destroyed them or enslaved them for a long time for no reason, not because they seriously threatened anyone.
        Quote: Petr1968
        We didn’t try to enter the USSR from Germany, and when we served in the German Democratic Republic, it was happiness ... it was possible to buy a CARPET ...
        For you, judging by everything, the concept of “happiness” is now identical to the word “carpet”. Can I hope in a word to convey to you the true essence of what happened to the USSR after that? I think no...
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Alex_59
          For you, judging by everything, the concept of “happiness” is now identical to the word “carpet”. Can I hope in a word to convey to you the true essence of what happened to the USSR after that? I think no...

          Exactly. Loot and loot again. My goal and 99% of the population are ... Good luck to you in mastering the spiritual peaks .. May the Scrap arrive with you!
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 23 January 2018 12: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Petr1968
            Exactly. Loot and loot again.

            Not loot is your goal, but a carpet with a Muscovite. Those. narrow thinking. But my goal is just loot. On which you can create something cool. How real Humans do this with a capital letter. How does Elon Musk or Jack Ma. One product of capitalism, the second - communism. But for both, loot is a tool to do something cool, to improve the world. And the carpet ... well, yes, the carpets are not deprived, but the goal is not a carpet clearly.
  11. Dimmih
    Dimmih 23 January 2018 07: 52 New
    +5
    Quote: "And each graduate had a sports rank in one or several sports." This is not true, exaggerate. There were both positive and negative sides in the USSR .... Everything was. Remember the words "Get", "Thrown out." Mass trips to carrots, egalitarianism at work, vegetable and vegetable stores ... Everything was good and bad. Here in our city, the largest building was a city party ... So the country was different and life was different, something better, and something worse.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 11: 24 New
      +8
      Quote: Dimmih
      Quote: "And each graduate had a sports rank in one or several sports." This is not true, exaggerate. There were both positive and negative sides in the USSR .... Everything was. Remember the words "Get", "Thrown out." Mass trips to carrots, egalitarianism at work, vegetable and vegetable stores ... Everything was good and bad. Here in our city, the largest building was a city party ... So the country was different and life was different, something better, and something worse.

      And now in the building of the "city party committee" what is located? City Hall Office?
      Here - it was possible to enter the "Gorky Party" - and get lost in the offices and floors, a lonely policeman was dozing there in the corner ... And in the "office of the city hall" - only on a special permit ordered for a month, after checking for involvement in "terrorism" and "extremism" ... and - go through the "framework", the brutal faces of the private guard with "cedars" at the ready ... only these "cedars" are not trees with nuts!
      ... Has life become better? ... but "more fun" - for sure !!!
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 23 January 2018 12: 17 New
        0
        The city court is located, under the USSR huddled in some kind of toilet. I think the court is more valuable than the city. I was not in the city committee for infancy. As for the other nonsense about the office of the city hall and the atrocious faces are your realities, we do not have this in the province. We have the usual polite corrupt officials, which were enough for the USSR.
  12. bober1982
    bober1982 23 January 2018 08: 10 New
    +3
    Why it was not clear in the article by Pavlik Morozov, especially since the whole story of his "betrayal" is a typical product of the vile Soviet propaganda.
  13. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 23 January 2018 08: 15 New
    +4
    I agree! And let me remind you, if earlier the interpretation of the word POVERTY was like an inability to acquire the most necessary, now a new meaning: POVERTY is the inability to acquire the DESIRE if you have everything you need.
  14. Professor
    Professor 23 January 2018 08: 20 New
    +8
    For almost 30 years there has been no scoop, while others still shed tears over it. It was good or bad there (bad for me), but it doesn’t matter anymore. You can’t build the past, you need to create the future.
    What a blessing that America exists and can be blamed for all its troubles. Education, medicine, industry, sports, culture - everywhere the blockage? America is to blame. Trump broke the road, and Obama is known to piss in elevators. Not tired of looking for the guilty?

    Ok dashing 90, but for 18 years you have stability. A whole generation. Who prevented you from ending bribery in education, blat and leftist dissertations? Who stopped to equip clinics with modern equipment? Who did not allow oil to invest dollars in their industry, and not in talented vialanchelists? And who forced the use of doping? About the "culture" I will not even write; It is not described in censorship language.

    The future must be built, not cried about the past. And by the way, it’s not a shame to learn from others. They studied under Peter the Great and studied under Dzhugashvili. At the public expense, sensible students were sent to study with the bourgeoisie. The result was.

    PS
    Authors, a provincial doctor cannot earn as a star. This does not happen. And nowhere else. Equalize their income, but mediocrity will not become a luminary, but the luminary will disappear somewhere.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 January 2018 08: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      About the "culture" I will not even write; It is not described in censorship language.

      In principle, I agree, but it is culture that determines everything else.
    2. KERMET
      KERMET 23 January 2018 10: 12 New
      +2
      Nobody argues that it is necessary to build the future and learn from others, but for some reason the government does not want to study, does not want to analyze the Soviet experience, no, it is just trying to revive the past
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 January 2018 11: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: KERMET
        Nobody argues that it is necessary to build the future and learn from others, but for some reason the government does not want to study, does not want to analyze the Soviet experience, no, it is just trying to revive the past

        You have selected them. To you and claim. sad

        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        It is especially good to criticize from Israel former citizens of the USSR who are not related to the construction of Israel from the word at all, but they love to be smart and teach how to live dear Russians.

        1. The word "absolutely" must be quoted. Otherwise, it turns out not in Russian.
        2. Over the years that I live in the Promised Land, I have made a significant contribution "to the construction of Israel" both literally and figuratively.
        3. There is no prophet in his own country.

        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Of course, Putin is to blame for everything. He paved the roads and crap in the elevators.

        It’s not his fault, but he is ultimately responsible for everything that happens in the country. The vertical of power, you know. fellow
        Here we have everything for Bibi. For which he receives a wort.

        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        That's strange, huh? Bloody tyrants, and education was taken care of. Although it seems to be uneducated to manage easier.

        You can argue about this for a long time. I wonder how in countries where there were no bloody dictators, people received an excellent education? How was elementary literacy there higher than in the scoop?

        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        It was sarcasm. In this, the authors are right, the same work should be paid the same.

        Fundamentally wrong. It is not work that must be paid, but the result. Especially in medicine.
        1. petyaivolk
          petyaivolk 23 January 2018 12: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Professor
          You have selected them. To you and claim.

          Actually, you chose them, forgot about Semibarkinsky? Are you modest?
          You are our humble friend who has made a significant contribution.

          And at the expense of the "bloody dictators" it was sarcasm, as they say, carried past the box office!
          Quote: Professor
          I made not a small contribution "to the construction of Israel", both literally and figuratively.

          I hope and kiss you in a hickey, in the gums. Therefore, you came to tell us that:
          Quote: Professor
          elementary literacy there was higher than in the scoop?


          Some professor you are a little aggressor, I hope this was not all your contribution "to the construction of Israel."
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 January 2018 12: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: petyaivolk
            Actually, you chose them, forgot about Semibarkinsky? Are you modest?

            Not. I don’t go to the Russian elections.

            Quote: petyaivolk
            You are our humble friend who has made a significant contribution.

            As the saying goes, "What is rich."

            Quote: petyaivolk
            And at the expense of the "bloody dictators" it was sarcasm, as they say, carried past the box office!

            Really "past the checkout."

            Quote: petyaivolk
            I hope and kiss you in a hickey, in the gums. Therefore, you came to tell us that:

            Do not kiss. Fortunately. I have an agreement with them, I pay taxes and comply with the laws, and they satisfy my needs. On average, every three years I give them an assessment and change them as necessary. That's how we live.

            Quote: petyaivolk
            Some professor you are a little aggressor, I hope this was not all your contribution "to the construction of Israel."

            I am a pacifist and for world peace. And those who think that the scoop was 100% literacy is very wrong.

            Quote: Less
            In Moscow, not life is more expensive, but more requests.

            Definitely more expensive. There’s nothing to argue about. Look only at the cost of housing.
            1. petyaivolk
              petyaivolk 23 January 2018 16: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Not. I don’t go to the Russian elections.

              Yes, that would be wonderful.
              Quote: Professor
              And those who think that the scoop was 100% literacy is very wrong.

              Who are you talking to? Have you decided to share a paragraph from your agreement with them?
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 23 January 2018 13: 02 New
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          Over the years that I live in the Promised Land, I have made a significant contribution "to the construction of Israel" both literally and figuratively.

          Why? Why go to a Russian site to tell the Russians about it? I do not understand resolutely. He left and left. Sit and enjoy. No, hands reach for the keyboard ... Why does a foreign citizen show such interest to us? I don’t write on the sites of Uganda and Somalia about my contribution to the development of Russia and how bad they have there - I don’t care at all for them.
          I would like to help - I wouldn’t be in a fuss, but came and helped.
          I understand there are still some guys from Israel who at least bring constructive criticism or adequate polemics, like Lyokha (warrior Uh). And so - some kind of narcissism.
          "The future must be built, not cried about the past," gentlemen, and this is what we are advised from Israel, my mother, brilliant! The people who rush like a written bag against the Holocaust advise us not to cry about the past. Well, thank God, there is someone to tell.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 January 2018 13: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: Alex_59
            Why? Why go to a Russian site to tell the Russians about it? I do not understand resolutely. He left and left. Sit and enjoy. No, hands reach for the keyboard ... Why does a foreign citizen show such interest to us? I don’t write on the sites of Uganda and Somalia about my contribution to the development of Russia and how bad they have there - I don’t care at all for them.

            About my contribution, I only answered the comrade on his claims. If there was no discussion of the USSR in this topic, it would have passed by. And since I was a citizen of that country, I have every moral right to express my opinion on this Russian-language German site.

            Quote: Alex_59
            I would like to help - I wouldn’t be in a fuss, but came and helped.

            I helped those who left.

            Quote: Alex_59
            "The future must be built, not cried about the past," gentlemen, and this is what we are advised from Israel, my mother, brilliant! The people who rush like a written bag against the Holocaust advise us not to cry about the past. Well, thank God, there is someone to tell.

            What we rush about does not prevent us from actively building the future. It is about the future, and not about "how everything was better before."

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            It meant that you arrived in a state that was already ready and comfortable for life, with a normal economy, medicine, and education. Why didn’t you make any effort. Now, of course, you have contributed to the construction of the state.

            Something was normal, something became normal already in my presence, and something still needs to be done normal.

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            If you evaluate only by the result of science, it would be bent without funding, like medicine. But within certain limits, you are right.

            Medicine is a special case. It is important not the process, but the result. Not how they treated, but how they cured. hi
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 24 January 2018 07: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              What we rush about does not prevent us from actively building the future.

              And it does not bother us. This is the opinion of a significant portion of those here. And the opinion of a significant part of those who are here is that some of our past is undeservedly forgotten, just because it could be useful in building the future.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 23 January 2018 13: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          The word "absolutely" must be quoted. Otherwise, it turns out not in Russian.

          Yes of course. But let's not find fault with the syntax and other spelling with grammar. You perfectly understood the meaning.
          Quote: Professor
          Over the years that I live in the Promised Land, I have made a significant contribution "to the construction of Israel" both literally and figuratively.

          It meant that you arrived in a state that was already ready and comfortable for life, with a normal economy, medicine, and education. Why didn’t you make any effort. Now, of course, you have contributed to the construction of the state.
          Quote: Professor
          There is no prophet in his own country.

          This is true. But there are too many prophets today, don’t you?
          Quote: Professor
          It’s not his fault, but he is ultimately responsible for everything that happens in the country. The vertical of power, you know.

          Bears. But to reduce everything to him alone is stupid.
          Quote: Professor
          You can argue about this for a long time. I wonder how in countries where there were no bloody dictators, people received an excellent education? How was elementary literacy there higher than in the scoop?

          And somewhere they have not received so far, and in the absence of dictators. But this was not about dictators, but about excessive simplification and labeling, and life is somewhat more complicated than black and white.
          Quote: Professor
          Fundamentally wrong. It is not work that must be paid, but the result. Especially in medicine.

          If you evaluate only by the result of science, it would be bent without funding, like medicine. smile But within certain limits, you are right.
    3. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      It is such a blessing that America exists and can be blamed for all its troubles. Education, medicine, industry, sports, culture - everywhere the blockage? America is to blame. Trump broke the road, and Obama is known to piss in elevators. Not tired of looking for the guilty?

      Well, you don’t want to say that people with Scraps, superethnos, can ... be to blame for something. Please do not say nonsense .. all the troubles are due to the enemies .. And who the enemy is, we know !!!
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 January 2018 10: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      For almost 30 years there has been no scoop, while others still shed tears over it. It was good or bad there (bad for me), but it doesn’t matter anymore.

      Quote: Professor
      Ok dashing 90, but for 18 years you have stability. A whole generation. Who prevented you from ending bribery in education, blat and leftist dissertations? Who stopped to equip clinics with modern equipment? Who did not allow oil to invest dollars in their industry, and not in talented vialanchelists? And who forced the use of doping? About the "culture" I will not even write; It is not described in censorship language.

      It is especially good to criticize from Israel former citizens of the USSR who are not related to the construction of Israel from the word at all, but they love to be smart and teach how to live dear Russians.
      Quote: Professor
      What a blessing that America exists and can be blamed for all its troubles. Education, medicine, industry, sports, culture - everywhere the blockage? America is to blame. Trump broke the road, and Obama is known to piss in elevators. Not tired of looking for the guilty?

      Of course, Putin is to blame for everything. He paved the roads and crap in the elevators. laughing
      Quote: Professor
      The future must be built, not cried about the past. And by the way, it’s not a shame to learn from others. They studied under Peter the Great and studied under Dzhugashvili. At the public expense, sensible students were sent to study with the bourgeoisie. The result was.

      That's strange, huh? Bloody tyrants, and education was taken care of. Although it seems to be uneducated to manage easier.
      Quote: Professor
      Authors, a provincial doctor cannot earn as a star. This does not happen. And nowhere else. Equalize their income, but mediocrity will not become a luminary, but the luminary will disappear somewhere.

      It was sarcasm. In this, the authors are right, the same work should be paid the same.
    5. uskrabut
      uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      a provincial doctor cannot earn as a star

      I would put the question more correctly: a doctor of the same qualification in Moscow and in the outback should receive the same salary and the point is why we have a division into people of the first and second grade! silt in the outback are not people and they have no needs? and if you teach children or be treated, then you have to go to the same Moscow and pay for accommodation, unlike Muscovites, then how? who needs to pay more?
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 January 2018 11: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: uskrabut
        Quote: Professor
        a provincial doctor cannot earn as a star

        I would put the question more correctly: a doctor of the same qualification in Moscow and in the outback should receive the same salary and the point is why we have a division into people of the first and second grade! silt in the outback are not people and they have no needs? and if you teach children or be treated, then you have to go to the same Moscow and pay for accommodation, unlike Muscovites, then how? who needs to pay more?

        Do not be angry, but here I do not agree. In Moscow, life is more expensive and, accordingly, to keep a doctor of "the same qualification" he needs to pay more. Otherwise, you will travel for treatment from Moscow to the hinterland. In general, each hospital should be given the right to decide how much to pay the doctor, and each patient should choose a clinic where he should be treated. Then the "bad hospitals" just close.
        1. Loess
          Loess 23 January 2018 12: 19 New
          +5
          In Moscow, not life is more expensive, but more requests.
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 23 January 2018 12: 43 New
          +9
          Bad hospital in the village, better than closing - and no! And the whole district without medical care! Cool! Especially considering that some "districts" are the size of half of Israel. And the doctors there may not be luminaries, but they work to the fullest - they help people. And some just need to put monuments!
        3. uskrabut
          uskrabut 24 January 2018 16: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          In general, each hospital should be given the right to decide how much to pay the doctor

          You will not believe! That’s exactly what it is, therefore the head physician receives a good salary, and the rest that will go to him, only who will offend his beloved. This is the trouble. The salary depends either on the place of residence, or on the height of the branch, or on loyalty to the leadership .... and only last but not least on skill.
    6. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 11: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      For almost 30 years there has been no scoop, while others still shed tears over it. Was it good or bad (bad for me)

      ... aah! So here is who the Union is ruining something?
      What a blessing that America exists and can be blamed for all its troubles.

      Not so long ago, the Russian Foreign Ministry once again "expressed concern" over open funding by US government agencies of opposition organizations and political movements on the territory of the Russian Federation. And "they" do not even hide it!
      ... what can we say about those financial flows to activities that should be a priori hidden ?! (who did not understand - sabotage and subversive activities carried out by special services)
  15. Alex66
    Alex66 23 January 2018 08: 20 New
    10
    Everything that is described in this article is done for capitalism, you need a slave who does not understand that he is a slave, therefore he must not be educated, have primitive stereotypes of thinking, he needs an external enemy, the slave must be afraid, no matter how worse, these tasks are carried out by education , culture, media. A slave must be loyal to the authorities; he must be afraid of losing his job; he must not have any accumulations ensuring him freedom; this is decided by a low salary. Medicine? Well, why treat a slave, unemployment solves this issue, at the same time the pension issue is being closed. The development of industry under the slave system (CAPITALISM) is not necessary, look at the history there for centuries that did not develop, if there were breakthroughs they were stifled. Sport for slaves is like a gladiatorial game, it’s just a show, and physical culture requires development, but in this case, a slave after retirement can live without medicine for 20 years, which’s bad.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 January 2018 08: 28 New
      +4
      Yeah, not developed. It is interesting, but where did the whole industry come from with which humanity came to the 20 century.

      Well, about the "developed" Soviet society, which, with squeals and dances, surrendered its own country, I better keep quiet.
  16. EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 January 2018 08: 25 New
    +4
    Meanwhile, the average life expectancy in Russia reached a historic high.

    However, if someone writes about the exam, then you can not read further. USE - this is a bugbear. No matter how they teach, the main thing is how to conduct an exam. But, apparently, in the framework of automated tests, writing off and giving bribes has become more difficult.
  17. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 23 January 2018 08: 31 New
    +3
    And I do not agree that they lived poorly who were with their hands and their heads lived quite well (WELL the identity is a relative concept in the sense that it is a little better than armless and brainless and the latter did not die of hunger).
  18. EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 January 2018 08: 34 New
    +4
    Just forgive me, the worker who makes rockets or planes and receives 20000-25000 rubles - is that how?


    And this author is simply brazenly and unscrupulously lying.

    Your mobile phone, bought by 3 a year ago and working great, makes them laugh.


    My work is 7 years old. However, the author did not understand anything. The people who receive 20-25k even under the conditions of sanctions and the dollar exchange rate under 60 have so much money that they can afford such overconsumption like changing phones or whatever they don’t need if they have normal tablet PCs. Or change the car every 2-3 years. In network games donate thousands of rubles.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 23 January 2018 08: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: EvilLion
      Or change the car every 2-3 years.

      Or, do not climb out of Turkey and Cyprus.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 11 New
        +1
        all on credit or at the expense of parents, and whoever earns himself knows the value of things
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 January 2018 13: 01 New
          +1
          Yes, yes, and parents don’t count money? Once given, it means a lot.
  19. kipage
    kipage 23 January 2018 09: 47 New
    23
    Predators eat up the Soviet body - and Amba
    Why is the Soviet legacy destroyed?
    Because since 92, the former Soviet republics have led the occupation administrations affixed by the victors in the Cold War - the Yankees and NATO.
    The truth is camouflaged, the villagers are either under the democrats, then under the patriots.
    But things are there.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: squeeze
      Because since 92, the former Soviet republics have led the occupation administrations affixed by the victors in the Cold War - the Yankees and NATO.

      That's right !!! I knew it - Obama is to blame for everything .. well, this is obvious to everyone !!!!
      It is necessary to give a bribe to Obama, and let him fall behind us, then we will heal, as in paradise !!!!
  20. Anyone
    Anyone 23 January 2018 09: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    No matter how hard they try to create the USSR 2.0, nothing will come of it.
    Therefore, the government creates a virtual USSR 2.0 - ideological: on TV, in the official media and in forums (including this one) we have become a great power, cramped in the US foreign policy arena, our economy is "showing steady growth" and so on ... And already it doesn’t matter that my grandmother, born in 1924 (heaven be with her!), quietly drove us, her grandchildren, to Crimea every year on her retirement and s / n cashier at the regional House of Culture. And now, my retired mother pays 11000 rubles from her pension for an apartment in a panel five-story building built in 1973. What would she have left of her pension if she lived only on her? A couple of kg of potatoes?
    People will die here, including me and others of my age (conditionally - I'm not in a hurry, and I'm talking about a generation), the connection of these same generations will be cut off, and there will be no one to tell what life was like in the USSR (by the way, it’s far from always simple). And then the government can rightfully declare itself USSR 2.0 - there will be no one to expose.
    P.S. We are the same USSR today as the Holy Roman Empire of Constantine - Rome of Caesar))
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: Anyone
      the connection of these same generations will be cut off, and there will be nobody to tell what life was like in the USSR (by the way, it’s far from always simple)

      Recently, my daughter saw the cookbook of the 1955 edition, there was no limit to admiration: "It was cooler in the USSR than now!" Therefore, it is necessary to preserve for future generations the memory of the USSR as a great power in which justice was not an empty phrase, in which there were great achievements in all sectors.
  21. Altona
    Altona 23 January 2018 09: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Pax tecum
    Here, very interesting definitions, clearly and concisely.

    ------------------------
    In my opinion, the bullshit is complete. Definitions are given from the philistine point of view and at a primitive level. Without clarifying the reasons. A tree because a tree, not because a linden or a spruce.
  22. Altona
    Altona 23 January 2018 09: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Authors, a provincial doctor cannot earn as a star. This does not happen. And nowhere else. Equalize their income, but mediocrity will not become a luminary, but the luminary will disappear somewhere.

    ----------------------------
    And the luminaries still do not flare up, but under Soviet rule, for some reason, they flashed and the level of a provincial doctor was higher. Your commentary, Professor, usually leads aside, without analyzing the cause and effect. You correctly pointed out a lot there, asked questions, but our authorities decide differently. The mighty bureaucratic apparatus defeated the USSR, now it is defeating itself, because apart from being there, it cannot do anything.
  23. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 23 January 2018 10: 04 New
    +5
    Some forces ??? I know a representative of these forces, he recently publicly declared, “I work for the benefit of okhocracy, as no Soviet leader before me worked for the good of the country ...”
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 05 New
      +1
      Even Khrushchev has surpassed!
      As in the well-known cartoon: "With such pigs, he himself ....."
  24. BAI
    BAI 23 January 2018 10: 06 New
    +1
    About the consequence of such articles, only one thing can be said: "Vaska listens, but eats."
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 03 New
      +2
      The person was boiling, and he shared with society.
      But you can’t keep silent, otherwise they’re completely cut off.
  25. KERMET
    KERMET 23 January 2018 10: 17 New
    0
    Quote: EvilLion
    ... But, apparently, in the framework of automated tests, writing off and giving bribes has become more difficult.

    This is not true
  26. Petr1968
    Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 20 New
    +3
    Does the author hint that Putin is bad? And hiding behind fairy tales about paradise in the USSR?)) Elections, elections .. candidates pi ....))
    1. Volga073
      Volga073 23 January 2018 10: 44 New
      +2
      Do not get out of your head ...
      rottenness is already in your question ...
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Volga073
        Do not get out of your head ...
        putrefaction is already in your question ..

        Ohhhhh, holy people of bondage ... they are not verbose ... because we can’t explain it ... Humble yourself, you profiled your super country. Now our time is Putin and democracy. Humble yourselves and silently watch how we will once again bend you in the elections. The people chose the course of Putin - a strong and stable Russia with a market economy .. and you are dreaming further about the CPSU and a coat of the same style at all .. good luck)))
  27. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 10: 33 New
    +6
    Hallelujah Roman! At least someone thinks in the same context as I do! Spitting on everything Soviet, everything great is done by dwarfs from the inferiority complex and because it is dangerous. And Putin and the government are no exception, do not flatter yourself! They are the most faithful "dwarfs". And today, of course, the Communists have gone wrong. Lower and thinner, with a golden gleam in his eyes.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 13: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Putin and the government are no exception, do not flatter yourself!

      You get all the bad. Maybe then the country is not that for you.
      I, personally, for Putin, for his liberal government and democracy with a market economy ...
      And everything else .. it's 2-3% of the elderly, nagalgiruyuschie ..
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 14: 41 New
        +2
        You personally can be for anyone, your right! But the rest, understanding and thinking, much more.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 23 January 2018 16: 26 New
          0
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          But the rest, understanding and thinking, much more.

          The elections will show.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 17: 29 New
            +3
            Peter, it’s a pity it’s impossible to laugh heartily! The elections will only show that Putin does not have an overwhelming majority of all eligible to vote, and even pulling an owl on the globe with a likely throw of ballots will not save the situation. It was not for nothing that the authorities began to stir like that, making promises to the right and left, and practically bribing voters, raising state employees salaries, pensions, etc. Too inconsistent domestic politics, or rather its absence, polarized society! My forecasts are that 55-60% of eligible voters will come to the polls, 45-50% of those 55-60% of those who will come will be given for Putin. So this is not even half of Russian society. What are your forecasts?
  28. Volga073
    Volga073 23 January 2018 10: 43 New
    +3
    The article is true ..
  29. 981698
    981698 23 January 2018 10: 45 New
    +3
    You did not ask yourself the question: "maybe Putin is a national traitor"? 18 years in power, the country flies into the abyss. What he did? Just look at the nineties, and look ahead. What's next?
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: 981698
      You did not ask yourself the question: "maybe Putin is a national traitor"? 18 years in power, the country flies into the abyss. What he did? Just look at the nineties, and look ahead. What's next?

      And I will answer you - the Russian Federation has risen to 26th place in the ranking of the best countries in the world according to US News & World Report.
      I drive a great imported car, I have an iPhone, I visited half the world .. and I don’t give a damn about your scoop, where only the son of a party official could have it. Putin, long years of rule !!
      1. tank64rus
        tank64rus 23 January 2018 16: 21 New
        +2
        And dad your oligarch well, well.
    2. Loess
      Loess 23 January 2018 12: 29 New
      +1
      18 years flies, but still does not fly ...
  30. Stepan Kudinov
    Stepan Kudinov 23 January 2018 10: 49 New
    0
    Fair, correct article. But, as always, in a barrel of honey there is a fly in the ointment. "... really thanks here for not being the 37th in the yard. In those days, dissent really ended badly." Stupidity is utter. Dissent was not persecuted, but the traitors and forerunners of today's Judo-Liberasts or the "fifth column", but of today's, modern bottling, were persecuted. It is they who do everything to do the things that today in dill are called the struggle for decommunization. They were thinned too little then before the war. Poisonous growth grows too much.
  31. Karamelyka Karamelyka
    Karamelyka Karamelyka 23 January 2018 10: 53 New
    +2
    Great article! Thank you!
  32. uskrabut
    uskrabut 23 January 2018 11: 00 New
    +7
    In Russia there is neither socialism nor capitalism, but there is a plunder of natural resources by an insignificantly small group of oligarchs and the ruling "elite" (crooks to the millionth degree). We have a raw economy, but it does not imply the growth of the population itself and its well-being, since what is obtained from the sale of minerals must be divided into all, albeit insignificantly small shares. The smaller the population, the more oligarchs and “elites” (crooks) will remain. Our hucksters shamelessly and brazenly exploit natural rents and do not create anything in terms of production, because it is costly and troublesome. Have you ever wondered why they call themselves “elita” and were forced to do this by journalists? And in order to justify unscrupulously and unjustifiably high fees, because everything that is more than 100 thousand rubles can already be called corruption income, you can’t earn so much, you can only steal or receive investment income, but this is not from our other story about our economy. The guarantor did not use the resource of trust of Russian citizens that he got in the elections, with such support one could make Russia a truly advanced power, but we apologize to WADA and the IOC for doping! And they should have sent them on foot erotic journey, if we are a great country! North Korea is now more respected than Russia. Gadgets! And the guarantor smiles and jokes where it is necessary to tear and throw. Already the 37th for the top would not be out of place, if not all in a row, then through one for sure. To be honest - it got.
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 23 January 2018 16: 08 New
      0
      Quote: uskrabut
      Already the 37th for the top would not be out of place, if not all in a row, then through one for sure.

      Strange you! And if you were on the list, are you ready to give your life for the good of the Motherland?
      Quote: uskrabut
      And they should have sent them on foot erotic journey, if we are a great country!

      It seems to me that you’ll be the first to vote that you didn’t have to do this, but with you half the country! No offense, nothing personal.

      You just can’t please everyone. Time was already being transferred at the request of the people ?! So the other half called those who translated - idiots. Although he asked the same people.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 24 January 2018 16: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Hottabych
        Strange you! And if you were on the list, are you ready to give your life for the good of the Motherland?

        I repeat - I will not be lazy: Already the 37th for the top It would not be superfluous, if not all in a row, then through one for sure.
        Neither you nor I belong to the top and behave more or less adequately.
        Quote: Hottabych
        You just can’t please everyone.

        But to please and is not required! In the actions of the authorities, common sense and justice must be present, and reforms should improve the lives of citizens.
  33. Jarilo
    Jarilo 23 January 2018 11: 02 New
    +3
    Our rich people need a society in which they would not feel like thieves, of which they are, but respectable citizens. They can be legalized only in a class-caste society in which they will not ask questions from where they have so much money - by birth right. Therefore, they need a monarchy, therefore we are gradually being prepared for this with the films “Viking” - as everything was terrible before Christianity, “Matilda” - how everything was beautiful under the monarchy. About people just do not make films, how he lived with it.
  34. masgen
    masgen 23 January 2018 11: 04 New
    +5
    Education of schoolchildren and students in the textbooks of Soros will eventually give its results, and Russia will receive a generation that will not give a damn about its country. God forbid to live up to such times ... After all, in every educational institution “working” there is at least a small but well-paid society of “teachers” who are ready to lick all the places with their patrons from the US State Department ...
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: masgen
      Education for schoolchildren and students in the textbooks of Soros,

      Sorry, but you are lying.
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 58 New
      0
      Quote: masgen
      Indeed, in every educational institution “working” there is at least a small but well-paid society of “teachers” who are ready to lick all the places for their patrons from the US State Department ...

      Personally, my opinion .. from stubborn cheers-patriots of harm even more .. because it is a herd that anyone can lead and direct, like a tool to anything .. for example, Germany it shows.
  35. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 11: 12 New
    +5
    I thanked the author for a good article, I read it with great pleasure. Your thoughts completely coincide with mine.
  36. Lebedev
    Lebedev 23 January 2018 11: 14 New
    +3
    It is very difficult to resist the incited indulgence of base feelings ... And I consider the rejection of ideology the first wedge in the collapse.
  37. asp373
    asp373 23 January 2018 11: 24 New
    +3
    I did not understand for whom the author is - for Putin or Navalny.
    So I look at my children and see that their childhood is more interesting than mine and they dress better and eat, and they have more opportunities. So is it worth it to suffer about the Soviet soap?
  38. masgen
    masgen 23 January 2018 11: 32 New
    +3
    The herd is successfully nurtured - this is true, but Putin is not the only one to blame, but the same ones - Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Navalny and Ksenia Sobchav (especially), etc. They just talk with their tongues, and not one educational institution does not bother to check for “lice” ... Some university professors use only 15 minutes of the lesson for introduction to the specialty, and the rest of the time they give “lectures” about which Russia is bad, not democratic and unjust, and how well people live in the good, rich, democratic and fair countries of Europe and the USA ... Therefore, such children grow up in our country, quietly hating their parents, and grandparents don’t put anything at all, for them we just "suck" ... A herd, and there is a herd ...
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: masgen
      Some university professors use only 15 minutes of the lesson for introduction to the specialty, and the rest of the time they give “lectures” about which Russia is bad, not democratic and unjust, and how well people live in the good, rich, democratic and fair countries of Europe and USA..

      Will there be evidence or is it a dream from Thursday to Friday ??
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 23 January 2018 14: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Petr1968
        Quote: masgen
        Some university professors use only 15 minutes of the lesson for introduction to the specialty, and the rest of the time they give “lectures” about which Russia is bad, not democratic and unjust, and how well people live in the good, rich, democratic and fair countries of Europe and USA..

        Will there be evidence or is it a dream from Thursday to Friday ??

        Will be! He himself sat at such "lectures", "heroically struggling with sleep"; and you can’t leave - for me “money is paid” (increase courses, panimash ...). The coolest thing: the “students” at these lectures are mostly old people and pensioners, and so-called. "lecturers" are snotty youth ... only they can buzz!
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 26 January 2018 11: 44 New
      0
      That’s why such children grow up with us, quietly hating their parents, and grandparents don’t put anything at all, for them we just "suck" ... A herd, and there is a herd ...

      I think this depends on the parents, so that the children respect them, and not on the school.
  39. Loess
    Loess 23 January 2018 11: 57 New
    +3
    We talk and write about patriotism, and this patriotism simply cannot exist without the Soviet past.
    I may now say something stupid, but if they link me to at least one patriotic article of these authors in the last three months, I will be grateful.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 14: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Less
      We talk and write about patriotism, and this patriotism simply cannot exist without the Soviet past.
      I may now say something stupid, but if they link me to at least one patriotic article of these authors in the last three months, I will be grateful.

      ... and why do we disassemble here: this phrase ... the word ... a comma ... patriotic or not? For white, for red? or as Vasilivanych - for the International ...
      -----------------------------
      Each for himself, I think, has long determined both the degree of patriotism and the "percentage of" reactionary "articles ... and comments at the same time ...
      1. Loess
        Loess 23 January 2018 14: 38 New
        0
        Those. didn't you find too?
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 23 January 2018 14: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Less
          Those. didn't you find too?

          In the 14th I registered on this site; grabbed bans - be healthy! Moreover - on three different computers (PC, PC and tablet). It happened - I did not agree with the authors, but - alas - I can’t blame it for anti-patriotism!
          as for the links - just rummaging through the archives reluctance
          1. Loess
            Loess 23 January 2018 14: 55 New
            0
            Well, I was here much earlier, it was just a long break, in October I just returned, I had to start a new acc, because only in the last 3 months I ask if it was patriotic, but I didn’t see it)
  40. Natalia777
    Natalia777 23 January 2018 12: 17 New
    +3
    Too one-sided statement does not honor the author. It seems to be a necessary and heart-affecting question turned into FALSE and PASQUIL which causes rejection and negativity among the adequate patriots of the USSR, which I am.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 23 January 2018 13: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Natalia777
      Too one-sided statement does not honor the author. It seems to be a necessary and heart-affecting question turned into FALSE and PASQUIL which causes rejection and negativity among the adequate patriots of the USSR, which I am.

      Patriot of the USSR, but where did they see the lie and libel?
  41. Yuri Simonov
    Yuri Simonov 23 January 2018 12: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Yeah. That's just your ballot will be used as they want. You need to go. Even if there is no alternative. If you are against this government and do not see anyone worthy among the candidates, at least spoil this piece of paper.

    Exactly!
  42. skobars
    skobars 23 January 2018 12: 32 New
    +2
    What can I say, the Americans litter us as they want, and our wise government only invests our money in their securities.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 23 January 2018 12: 58 New
      +1
      And what do they protect you in this case? And the government invests loot in the United States because there is such a thing as a credit rating. They have a stable economy and always pay on time for the obligations of their securities.
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 January 2018 13: 59 New
        +2
        And what did we once not pay? We paid all the debts of the USSR and now we regularly pay our debts, forgave the debts to a huge number of countries. Western countries have not forgiven anyone. Nevertheless, we have a lower rating, because these rating agencies are all American. After the events in Crimea, we were artificially lowered the rating, and Ukraine was raised for political reasons. Well, what is now the credibility of these ratings. America will always have a Triple A rating so that borrowings are at a minimum percentage. Why do we invest in US Treasury bonds at 1% per annum, and we place our Eurobonds at 4% per annum. Where is the logic and common sense?
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 23 January 2018 16: 52 New
          0
          In order. In terms of debts, it’s not entirely true. The same Lend Liz during the war was far from fully paid, while the same England paid the bill in full. America also writes off debts to 3 countries, like the USSR, as well as Russia .on this there are even official reports. A credit rating is a rather complicated thing, and there are a lot of factors influencing it. Often the ratings are made by private offices, and if you think that the US government has influence over them, then you are mistaken. Unlike Russia's power in the government is distributed equally between the president, congress and the supreme court. A system of checks and balances with a 200-year history. To exert pressure on someone, the government must be unanimous, and this happens very rarely, because two parties are rigidly dominant in the government competing with each other. The same system in the media, someone supports Republicans, someone Democrats, but in any case there is always fierce competition between them. so there’s It is problematic to write even a custom article, because competitors will dig for you and seek a rebuttal. And if it is proved that these are facts sucked from your finger. There is the possibility of losing a certain part of the electorate, and this is losses. Collusion is more an exception than the rule. that the rating wasn’t artificially lowered to us. It’s a reaction to the sanctions and foreign policy that led to this.
          1. Jarilo
            Jarilo 23 January 2018 18: 28 New
            +2
            the rating was not artificially lowered to us. It is a reaction to sanctions and foreign policy that led to this.

            And why did they raise Ukraine? Despite the fact that she has all the indicators in the red.
            Do you still believe in American democracy? Take off the pink glasses.

            PS In your order there is no order, so they threw their thoughts.
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 24 January 2018 12: 53 New
              +1
              I missed one hundred or is the economy of Ukraine directly dependent on the export of energy resources and minerals? That is, lowering oil prices, the main source of income, a decline in industrial growth, the imposition of sanctions, raising the rate to 17%, is this not an objective reason for you? And even no one was able to prove the political commitment of the three main agencies. I’m not caught, not a thief. how do you imagine that the three main companies, which have 95% of the market, took and changed the rating according to the instructions. Imagine what will happen to their income if it suddenly comes up that they are doing ratings from the ceiling, and at the behest of the bourgeoisie not so much as to shit in their own pocket.
            2. Korax71
              Korax71 24 January 2018 13: 01 New
              0
              Well, frankly, Ukraine’s ratings of 14,15 and 16 were pre-defaulted. Now they’ve raised it to a very speculative one by 17 years. What’s wrong with you ???? or doesn’t reflect reality ???? to look for the State Department’s hand and believe in conspiracy theory?
  43. Korax71
    Korax71 23 January 2018 12: 51 New
    +3
    It was possible to measure for a long time in the USSR, and to recall equality, initially to deceive. In the USSR, just as now, blat and connections solved everything. It’s enough to deceive ourselves. Equality and equalization in itself are not good. People are different from birth .and if someone has a desire and ambition achieves something, then he will look for an opportunity, but for someone who is deprived of this desire and because of natural laziness, maybe he doesn’t care, then he will look for the guilty. What is happening now.
  44. Svetlana
    Svetlana 23 January 2018 13: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Alex_59
    "The future must be built, not cried about the past," gentlemen, and this is what we are advised from Israel, my mother, brilliant! The people who rush like a written bag against the Holocaust advise us not to cry about the past. Well, thank God, there is someone to tell.

    laughing hi
  45. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 23 January 2018 14: 59 New
    0
    The USSR has not gone anywhere. Was the USSR to them. RCP, was the USSR to them. CPSU, became the USSR. Komsomol.
  46. zyzx
    zyzx 23 January 2018 15: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: CONTROL
    Socialism ruined the lack of material motivation

    Socialism was ruined by the belief in 40 varieties of sausages, but you ignored the fact that you didn’t buy 39 of paper and 1n of meat.
  47. tank64rus
    tank64rus 23 January 2018 16: 17 New
    +3
    There is no ideology in Russia, it is prohibited by the Constitution dictated by amers. It's time to reconsider. But all this "elite" is against. The absence of ideology is the basis for its existence. However, for them, ideology is money above all and for this you can go for any crime, all according to Marx. But the fact that people fool enough for half an hour to watch TV.
  48. Ragoz
    Ragoz 23 January 2018 19: 45 New
    +2
    Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin consistently and with ever-increasing force destroy the great past of our once-powerful Motherland!
  49. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 January 2018 22: 17 New
    +1
    I already wrote. To keep the Peace on my land is a pleasure road. Therefore, we lived in the USSR not poorly, but also did not fatten. Now the military forces of the West have taken up arms against Russia, then we cannot help but spend money on Russia's defense capabilities.
    So ordinary people will have to tighten their belts. "For some, the pearls are small, but for the cabbage soup they are liquid"
  50. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 23 January 2018 23: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Olgovich
    to stand in the thousandth queues for bread and other things, but more simply, about the famine of the beginning of 1950's

    Belarusian resource of Belarusian opposition ... I came to Belarus in 62. You know - not any queues. What was especially memorable - the pyramids of cans from canned food of all stripes and condensed milk ...
    Queues? No, I haven’t. Although not. When the day shift ended at the factory at 5 in the evening, all the people rushed to the store and a queue was created because at 7 o'clock in the evening it closed and you won’t buy anything anywhere else - if only to a neighbor for salt or matches ... but this is a completely different story.

    I agree, the Belarusian opp, and, as they said in the Navy, the salag, he did not see life. I live in Belarus, and western. I remember the rallies on the death of Stalin ... the time after the war ... It was difficult, both fatherless fathers (fathers died) and parents from dark to dark at work, where to work with us there. The elders looked after the younger, their own, a stranger, it does not matter. All summer naked on the river (no one drowned). And the famous spikelets (the elders know), the class went in rows along the field and collected the remaining spikelets into bags, handed over to the collective farm. In winter, frozen beets were cut down from the ground, cleaned, on a collective farm - and at a sugar factory. And, this is for today, hemp plantations on the collective farm were large (then they forged ropes from it). The seeds are very tasty, but there were no addicts !!!
    But the queues of thousandths and was not close, nonsense. The village lived a natural product (a cow, a pig, etc.), they themselves baked bread. There was enough of everything in the city, we were relatives from the city “doctoral”, they were little home. For the first time I tried chocolate butter in the city ... And then the cult of Stalin’s personality, they started importing city bread, cutting down gardens, cutting cattle, then bread with corn ... then lines appeared. When Brezhnev disappeared, I was called up already with two rings of uncooked smoked Krakow in a backpack ... good