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At the shipyard in Tatarstan laid the corvette "Nikolai Sipyagin"

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The sixth and fifth in a series of project 22160 corvette laid for the Navy fleet Russia on Saturday at the Zelenodolsk shipyard named after M. Gorky in Tatarstan.


Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov clarified that the 22160 project was invented and proposed by the designers for the Navy for anti-terrorist operations and the fight against piracy, which is very common, especially in the countries of the Middle East.

At the shipyard in Tatarstan laid the corvette "Nikolai Sipyagin"


In order not to accompany civilian ships and not to spend on it the resources of sea ships, this project was invented, which fully ensures the protection of the seas. In the armed forces, we ordered six such ships.
- he said.

Corvettes were developed by JSC Northern Design Bureau, they are primarily intended for the protection and preservation of the marine economic zone. Patrol ships are also able to solve the tasks of escort and anti-piracy activities, perform search and rescue functions. The autonomy of ships sailing this project is 60 days. They are able to reach speeds in 30 nodes. The sailing range of the ship 6000 nautical miles.

The lead ship of this project "Vasily Bykov" was laid 26 February 2014 of the year. At different stages of construction are the corvettes "Dmitry Rogachev", "Pavel Derzhavin", "Sergey Kotov" and "Victor the Great".

The corvette of the 22160 project was named in honor of the Hero of the Soviet Union, commander of the Black Sea Fleet patrol boats division during the Great Patriotic War, captain 3 of the rank of Nikolay Sipyagin, TASS
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  1. Tusv
    Tusv 13 January 2018 15: 34 New
    +7
    they are primarily intended to protect and protect the marine economic zone

    It would seem, why do we need the Gulf of Mexico? By the way, we bought part of it, having forgiven the Cuban debt
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 13 January 2018 15: 48 New
      +4
      In general, if you collect the corvettes of all new projects, a serious figure will turn out. (accurately consider laziness) of confirmed contracts 45-50 pcs
      1. Going
        Going 13 January 2018 16: 05 New
        +9
        Quote: Chertt
        In general, if you collect the corvettes of all new projects, a serious figure will turn out. (accurately consider laziness) of confirmed contracts 45-50 pcs


        Already not bad, especially compared to the beginning of the century.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 13 January 2018 16: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        a serious figure will work out. (accurately consider laziness) of confirmed contracts 45-50 pcs

        Have you got the lope in Caliber? Oh my God, Americans are not in vain digging shelters
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 13 January 2018 16: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Tusv
          Have you got the lope in Caliber?

          Mostly 1bl x 8pcs
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 13 January 2018 17: 08 New
            11
            Chertt, Tusv "corvette" which ... does not carry "calibers" ... oversleep guys ... boat, do not confuse with TFR ... laughing WEAPONS Artillery weapons: • 1 57-mm artillery mount A-220M Anti-aircraft missile weapons: • 1 turret anti-aircraft missile launcher “Bend” • 8 MANPADS 9K38 “Needle” Additional weapons: • 2 14,5 gun mounts at the request of the customer: • 1 Shtil-1 air defense missile systems with two 3С90Э.1 modular launchers • 1 integrated Caliber-NKE missile system Anti-sabotage armament: • 2 grenade launchers DP-65 • 1 GAS detection systems allada ”Radio-technical weapons: • 1 radar for detecting air and surface targets“ Positive-MA1 ″ • 1 radar for radar systems “Pal-N” Hydroacoustic armament: • 1 HAC MGK-335EM-03 • 1 GAS “Vinyetron-EM electromagnetic means” • 1 shipborne electronic jamming complex TK-25Е • 1 jamming system PK-10 Aircraft armament: • Telescopic hangar and take-off and landing platform with take-off, landing and maintenance search and rescue helicopter weighing up to 12 tons of type K -27 SS Sources: USC, Northern PKB, Zelenodolsk plant named. Gorky, SPKB annual report for 2016, bmpd.livejournal.com and others.
            Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/22160/ OVT “WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLANDS” AVKarpenko
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 17: 11 New
              +6
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Chertt, Tusv "corvette" which ... does not carry "calibers" ... oversleep guys ... boat, do not confuse with TFR ... laughing WEAPONS Artillery weapons: • 1 57-mm artillery mount A-220M Anti-aircraft missile weapons: • 1 turret anti-aircraft missile launcher “Bend” • 8 MANPADS 9K38 “Needle” Additional weapons: • 2 14,5 gun mounts at the request of the customer: • 1 Shtil-1 air defense missile systems with two 3С90Э.1 modular launchers • 1 integrated Caliber-NKE missile system Anti-sabotage armament: • 2 grenade launchers DP-65 • 1 GAS detection systems allada ”Radio-technical weapons: • 1 radar for detecting air and surface targets“ Positive-MA1 ″ • 1 radar for radar systems “Pal-N” Hydroacoustic armament: • 1 HAC MGK-335EM-03 • 1 GAS “Vinyetron-EM electromagnetic means” • 1 shipborne electronic jamming complex TK-25Е • 1 jamming system PK-10 Aircraft armament: • Telescopic hangar and take-off and landing platform with take-off, landing and maintenance search and rescue helicopter weighing up to 12 tons of type K -27 SS Sources: USC, Northern PKB, Zelenodolsk plant named. Gorky, SPKB annual report for 2016, bmpd.livejournal.com and others.
              Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/22160/ OVT “WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLANDS” AVKarpenko

              In fact, on the 22160 patrol there will be only an AK-176M caliber 76 mm gun and a helicopter. And he is needed because the FSB Coast Guard of the FSB cannot be sent to the Mediterranean Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 22 New
                15
                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                In fact, on patrol 22160 there will be only a 176-mm AK-76M gun and a helicopter. And he is needed because the FSB Coast Guard of the FSB cannot be sent to the Mediterranean Sea and the Gulf of Aden

                yes, I agree, no "caliber" ... everything is correct, but the "patriots" are astonishing, representing how the US 6th fleet is breaking down on land from this "corvette", and the "virgins" are being thrown away like whales ... fool
                1. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 13 January 2018 17: 29 New
                  +2
                  integrated missile system "Caliber-NKE" -no ....
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 13 January 2018 20: 26 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    integrated missile system "Caliber-NKE" -no ....

                    ... Yurievich with the Old New Year! ... and yet Hello to those who do not know the materiel ... tongue
                    ... container armament is taken on board as needed (container deck at the stern) should not be confused with peacetime and a special period ... visually ... ... well, it also carries the full-time DSL, etc. 02800 - 10 landing troops, crew - 2, speed 40 knots. in the lapport under the container deck ... hi
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 13 January 2018 20: 37 New
                      +4
                      P.S. ... Vasily Bykov - the lead ship of pr. 22160 ... we see the container deck and below the rotary loops of the lapport ... photo of November 2017 ...
                      ... total ... sensible PSKR with a range of 6000 miles, a crew of 27 people, speed up to 30 knots, autonomy of 60 days ... which with a flick of the wrist turns into an RTO, the carrier "Caliber-NK", there is no structural difference in what execution launcher, standard UKKS or Container ... for air defense there are also reserved volumes - "Calm-1", and remember from the "Makarov" (11356) just experienced a missile with an active seeker, no backlight required ... hi
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 14 January 2018 00: 52 New
                        +3
                        ... sensible PSKR with a range of 6000 miles, a crew of 27 people, speed up to 30 knots,

                        That's right, only the speed of 30 knots was with German diesels. With our God grant 25 knots scratch.
                        Well, after 76 mm of Calm-1 down, there is nowhere to put IMHO. This option was at 57 mm (which is smaller and easier). hi
                        And Gauges and Marines with him.
                        By 11356, slowly yours takes ... wink
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 14 January 2018 18: 24 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex777
                        That's right, only the speed of 30 knots was with German diesels. With our God grant 25 knots scratch.

                        ... for starters - Hello! ... is this according to the "conclusions" of "Sofa Experts" from the Air Base, which are calculated according to the formulas? ... laughing ... sea trials will show this and it is unlikely that we will know the real formal speed ... but my purely personal opinion will be precisely within the declared not less than 27 knots ... hi
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Well, after 76 mm of Calm-1 down, there is nowhere to put IMHO. This option was at 57 mm (which is smaller and easier).

                        ... it’s more visible to the Designer ... for me, there’s much to be done ... even more so now the 9M100 in the "Calm-1" is being determined ... something tells me soon we will find out about the new short-range and medium-range air defense systems .. there is such a chuyka ...
                        Quote: Alex777
                        And Gauges and Marines with him.

                        ... well, without them, at a specific time and for specific tasks ...
                        Quote: Alex777
                        By 11356, slowly yours takes ...

                        ... not mine, but Common sense and some awareness of the Defense Ministry about the needs and tasks of the fleet ... wink
                2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 17: 45 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Dead Day
                  but the "patriots" are astonishing, representing, as from this "corvette", the 6 fleet of the USA is breaking on land, and the "virgins", like whales, are thrown into the shallows ...

                  Here and not write such, for example, as 22160 bends alone AUG.
                  Andrei Yurievich Today, 17: 29 ↑
                  integrated missile system "Caliber-NKE" -no ....

                  In any case, the Ministry of Defense has not ordered such a package.
                3. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 13 January 2018 18: 16 New
                  +1
                  Well, if you seriously want to discuss the participation of patrolmen in the fight against AUG, you better not go to this forum.
                  And by the way, what other tasks for the fleet, besides the fight against the AUG on the Atlantic coastal areas, are in your head?
                4. ZVladimir222
                  ZVladimir222 14 January 2018 02: 44 New
                  0
                  - To destroy the entire (!) US 6th surface fleet, hundreds of anti-ship missiles with nuclear warheads are enough. Which ones - choose for yourself.
                  And NATO is well aware of this.
                  Nuclear submarines are much more complicated. So David he is not afraid of Goliath. if only the sling was a mark and reliable.
            2. Chertt
              Chertt 13 January 2018 18: 58 New
              0
              I assume that vertical mines were laid in the design. What will be the output is unknown ... But if the installation option is provided for this to be so, it may not immediately
              1. ZVladimir222
                ZVladimir222 14 January 2018 02: 47 New
                0
                - So they are sort of horizontally located under the stern. Like the S-300 lift. Check out the links. The decision is not the most stupid. You can cover missiles with armor. Yes, and shipping is easier. with a crane he threw the factory bag into the hold, secured it and - on the way!
                One problem is that you cannot shoot on the move.
            3. BAI
              BAI 13 January 2018 21: 19 New
              +2
              The obvious fact is that a ship that is being made on the banks of the Volga cannot be large. But the fleet needs different ships.
              1. ZVladimir222
                ZVladimir222 14 January 2018 02: 50 New
                +3
                - We need something different. Only money for large ships is not there. Beneficiaries dragged the entire treasury.
                And what is left is better to launch on submarines. And this one is a good help.
                All the same, an aircraft carrier and a cruiser are a big target in modern times. but for whom! And here. Just for him.
                1. family tree
                  family tree 14 January 2018 03: 23 New
                  +3
                  Quote: ZVladimir222
                  Beneficiaries dragged the entire treasury.
                  And what is left is better to launch on submarines.

                  More icebreakers wink Orlan, in the sense of “Nakhimov” is being upgraded at Sevmash, it’s a pity not to drag Lazarev to Sevsk, so they are also small for change. I forgot, KChF has not yet been sickly so snuggled up and continueswhat
                  And so, after all, they plundered, ghouls angry Would kill wassat
                  Happy New Year! drinks
                  1. ZVladimir222
                    ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 05: 34 New
                    0
                    - Thank. Happy holiday too!
                    In general, of course, shipbuilding is a grand undertaking. Only there is no clear plan. Again, the heterogeneity (as before the Russo-Japanese one) and the government as a whole does not represent what actually needs to be done and which ships to build?
                    Some kind of chaos. This is all because Putin himself, unlike Peter the Great, does not understand anything in technology.
                    Here he looks more like Nicholas II.
                    And in the leadership of the defense industry almost entirely traitors and pests sit.
                    Where I just did not write! There is only one answer - we are doing everything right!
                    Well, I have no doubt that they "correctly" stuff their pockets. One problem is the country's security from their activities under threat.
                    Judge for yourselves: the USA has more than 50 Arly Burke destroyers. Each has 96 missiles. Well, take roughly 50 x 96 - this is a salvo of 4800 tomahawks!
                    Russia in response builds ships of the Admiral Gorshkov type at half a billion dollars per copy. Each of them has only 16 (!) Caliber. Although with proper design, it will fit at least 50. Is it not wrecking and betrayal?
                    I already wrote to the ministries, and Rogozin and Putin himself - letters are sent to the Krylovsky Center or the Ministry of Industry and Trade from the Ministry of Defense.
                    If I show you these replies from there (I store), you will be horrified.
                    Once they wrote that so many missiles, they say, will not fit on such a ship. Like, does not allow displacement.
                    Think incompetent? And I think the opposite. It’s just that the picture in the maritime department and in general in the Ministry of Defense is similar to the situation before the First World War: the construction of the ships that their overseas owners and financiers pointed to our traitors-officials in high chairs is lobbying. Very simple. And the tsar (by virtue of his technical illiteracy) does not even realize this. He does not realize that he is surrounded by enemies and traitors, who need only two means - a rack and an ax! The sad picture.
                    However, this boat should be a good help. It is modular, well armed and not very expensive. It is only necessary to bring it to mind.
                    It was not for nothing that I mentioned the destroyer Novik (built, by the way, on donations).
                    Before 1914, the king built a bunch of expensive and stupid battleships. There was little sense from them in the war ("Empress Maria" died ridiculously because of traitors), and they cost so much that they could dress, shod and equip our entire ground army with machine guns and machine guns.
                    At the same time, English and French companies received large profits from "assistance" in construction. They (of course, on credit to Societe Generale and others) provided entire plants. The king paid in gold.
                    As a result, Russia lost the war, the people suffered terrible torment and genocide, and the "beneficiaries" responsible for this stuffed their pockets (and Swiss cellars) with gold and dumped them in Paris.
                    However, the light destroyer "Novik" built on the initiative of the sailors themselves, some of which passed the Japanese (as V.P. Kostenko, a friend of A.S. Novikov-Priboy), mainly using public and private means, exemplarily beat the enemy from 1914 and, with in peacetime, in 1941.
                    He did not suffer a single defeat in his entire service and died, saving the flagship by substituting himself under a fascist torpedo.
                    He saved not only the ship (the cruiser "Kirov") together with the mediocre leadership of the Baltic Fleet (Tributs), but also a significant part of our gold reserve, which the flagship evacuated from Tallinn to Kronstadt.
                    This is a famous, famous story. However, few people know that this ship was not just a masterpiece of naval military shipbuilding - it went down in the history of technology, ahead of its time, and pointed the way to world military construction in this area. Destroyers were built and competitors (Germany, England, USA) - but he was ahead of all technically.
                    It ended with an expensive, but unsuccessful world "dreadnought fever." Gigantomania has given way to healthy pragmatism. The inquiring and experienced engineering ideas of V.P. Kostenko and others, as well as tests by wars, proved what a fast and light destroyer is at sea, including in the battle with heavy ships and aircraft. Especially if he is not alone.
                    Today, history repeats itself in a new round.
              2. a housewife
                a housewife 14 January 2018 13: 17 New
                +1
                Novorossiysk in the 43rd boat released!
            4. Monarchist
              Monarchist 14 January 2018 06: 51 New
              0
              Of course, these are not the Gorshkov or Essen frigates, but for the functions of a guard, he is quite even.
              I have already said: modern ships are "cramped," in the framework: corvette and frigate. After all, it turns out rubbish: "karakurt" corvettes, "Bulls" corvette, and they are different in "weight categories"
              1. ZVladimir222
                ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 12: 58 New
                0
                - Essen and Gorshkov are severely under-armed when displaced.
                Absolutely stupidly designed ships. And their speed is low. Below NATO.
                This means the United States will drive them by sea, and not vice versa.
                This boat has low speed so far. But "Caliber" is planned for 8, as in the now famous and so successful "Buyan-M".
                And most importantly - the price. If it is brought to mind, then two of these ships will be equal in impact power to “Grigorovich” and “Essen” combined. Strength however. At such rates and seaworthiness.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 13 January 2018 23: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          Have you got the lope in Caliber?

          No one?
      3. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 13 January 2018 21: 44 New
        +1
        This is the problem of "all new", "menagerie" again lit.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 14 January 2018 14: 42 New
      0
      Not. Having forgiven the Cuban debt, we simply went nuts. Normally. Now the Gulf of Mexico will have to re-buy for money.
  2. lis-ik
    lis-ik 13 January 2018 15: 34 New
    +4
    In order not to accompany civilian ships and not to spend on it the resources of sea ships, this project was invented, which fully ensures the protection of the seas. In the armed forces, we ordered six such ships.
    What a fellow! Absolutely unnecessary ships just to chase pirates, but what about shifting dates for ships of the first rank?
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 13 January 2018 15: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: lis-ik
      the right ships just to drive the pirates,

      Well. We will give our seas to plunder pirates. So chtol? am
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 13 January 2018 15: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: Tusv
        Well. We will give our seas to plunder pirates

        Exactly exactly, Today I read how the pirates attack Novosibirsk, and in other Russian cities, there’s no rest from the sea robbers
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 13 January 2018 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Chertt
          Exactly exactly, Today I read how the pirates attack Novosibirsk, and in other Russian cities, there’s no rest from the sea robbers

          Not well. These want our These to be escorted along the Northern Sea Route.
          Gentlemen of the bourgeois to the bottom for free, and posting money is worth it. Mani mani drive, what is it worth? hi
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 13 January 2018 16: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Chertt
          Today I read how Novosibirsk pirates attack

          Do you offer to abandon the merchant fleet?
          1. Chertt
            Chertt 13 January 2018 16: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: Dart2027
            Do you offer to abandon the merchant fleet?

            I propose to find captain Jack Sparrow and defeat him ..... But seriously, 22160 is a fairly successful project (at least in terms of performance characteristics and reviews of the Morimans), they just decided to laugh at the "anti-piracy" purpose of these corvettes at the forum
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 13 January 2018 16: 18 New
              0
              Now it is clear.
            2. Grandfather
              Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Chertt
              I propose to find captain Jack Sparrow and defeat him ...

              base on Tortuga ...? where to sign up? ready to serve! soldier
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 14 January 2018 13: 19 New
                +1
                Base on the Black Sea. And damned pirates come in from time to time!
            3. Botanologist
              Botanologist 13 January 2018 18: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Chertt
              at least in terms of performance characteristics and reviews of the moromanov


              In how. Did someone already go on it?
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 13 January 2018 16: 34 New
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            Do you offer to abandon the merchant fleet?

            Free wiring very much affects my health. If the Merchant Fleet goes for free, then there is the Anlandida and the Bermuda Triangle in all its glory. hi
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 13 January 2018 16: 47 New
              +4
              Vladimir, what is anlandida? No, well, how I drank the Bermuda Triangle in all its glory I saw ...
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 13 January 2018 16: 51 New
                0
                Glory, well, drowned and figs with her. Sorry chtol
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 13 January 2018 17: 15 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Glory, well, drowned and figs with her. Sorry chtol

                  Glory, if you're talking about sadness, then really figs with her. Should we be sad? If about Atlantis .... There is a version that we Russians come from there ...
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 13 January 2018 17: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: sabakina
                    There is a version that we Russians come from there ...
                    this
                    Glory. This is my eldest son, my name is Vova. And I’m not a fig, and never a slaughter from Atlandis. Herodotus, he honestly called us Hyperboreans. Hu from the opposite of that from drinks
                  2. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 13 January 2018 19: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: sabakina
                    If about Atlantis .... There is a version that we Russians come from there ...

                    Do not tamper with someone else's. Its ancient ykry founded, and they drowned it.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 13 January 2018 16: 51 New
              0
              And in Russian?
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 13 January 2018 17: 17 New
                +3
                Quote: Dart2027
                And in Russian?

                Well, something like this...
          3. Stas
            Stas 14 January 2018 08: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            Do you offer to abandon the merchant fleet?

            Do we have it ??? Count the ships under the Russian flag on the fingers, but cry. At one time, I had to start working in the Far Eastern Shipping Company. Maybe I don’t know something, although I work in this industry. So tell me.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 January 2018 11: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Stas
              Do we have it ???

              Quote: Dart2027
              Not as I would like, but there is.

              I’m not saying that everything is fine, but if you don’t worry about protecting your interests, it will be even worse.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 13 January 2018 15: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Tusv
        Quote: lis-ik
        the right ships just to drive the pirates,

        Well. We will give our seas to plunder pirates. So chtol? am

        Do we have pirates from the southern seas?
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 13 January 2018 15: 48 New
          0
          Quote: lis-ik
          Do we have pirates from the southern seas?

          Yes there they mulen and FSE freebie smell
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 13 January 2018 15: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: lis-ik
            Do we have pirates from the southern seas?

            Yes there they mulen and FSE freebie smell

            Whence
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 13 January 2018 15: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: lis-ik
              Whence

              From there, as Semyon Semenych Gorbunkov said. By the way, I believe a legendary person drinks Although set aside. For Yuri Nikulin without checking
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 13 January 2018 15: 56 New
          +6
          That Lord, in the same Black Sea to drive away the Ukrainian and all kinds of promising Georgian "wolf packs" from platforms?
          Recently, Vice Admiral Kulakov returned from the Gulf of Arden, for some reason they drove him there? But he has something to do in his native northern fleet.

          And the fact that there are no ships of the first rank - well, sadly of course, but I suppose not at all because of the presence of this guard.
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 16: 18 New
            +4
            Due to the lack of such patrolmen, they knocked out a resource in anti-piracy missions to the guard Patron Ustrashimy and BOD Chabanenko.
          2. AID.S
            AID.S 13 January 2018 18: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: alexmach
            Recently, Vice Admiral Kulakov returned from the Gulf of Arden,

            Is it in the Ardennes?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 13 January 2018 20: 08 New
              +4
              * Aden
      3. Grandfather
        Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Tusv
        Well. We will give our seas to plunder pirates. So chtol

        Somalis got ...?
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 13 January 2018 18: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Dead Day
          Somalis got ...?

          Do you think ice? There, in pairs, dozens of icebreakers are bored. FSE from Somali pirates
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 January 2018 15: 59 New
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      Absolutely unnecessary ships just to chase pirates, but what about shifting dates for ships of the first rank

      And what do they have to do with these corvettes?
    3. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 14 January 2018 03: 24 New
      +4
      - Yes, there’s nothing for Russia to build First Rank ships now! The treasury is empty.
      We will not catch up with NATO in naval construction and in 20 years. Too many private owners have divorced. Do not feed them.
      And ONE US ONLY has more than 60 ONE T [b] ONLY.
      Arly Burkov! This is not counting other US ships and their many friends.
      And each of the ships of these villains must be taken into account. Today, not tomorrow and not in 20 years! Plus ground objects.
      This boat is a good help. Remember the 1905th. Tsushima The king built expensive armadillos for billions of money today, and the Japanese sent half of them to the bottom with torpedoes of light destroyers in a night attack.
      They had more than 50 destroyers in this battle, and we have only 9!
      Build Nicholas the 2nd, instead of 9 expensive heavy and clumsy battleships of 13 tons each, another 000 pieces of speed cruisers such as the Varyag, Askold or Bayan and 20 destroyers of 100 tons each, the whole course of world history could be to others.
      The Japanese generally would hardly have decided to go into war in such a balance of power.
      And even better, as later battles at sea showed, even in general instead of everything - 100 heavy destroyers of 1500 tons each, such as the Novik.
      And today, too, on the seas, we first of all need precisely this indestructible locust. To urgently take every NATO ship on sight.
      Of course, big ships are needed. For this we have a nuclear submarine fleet. But there is no money now for the heavy Dreadnought Fever.
      Once a dinosaur sparrow killed. Let their huge troughs be afraid of our small but worthy ships. This is the first contender to be a worthy successor to Novik.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 14 January 2018 09: 12 New
        +1
        What did you use to write such nonsense?
        1. ZVladimir222
          ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 05: 50 New
          0
          “You are becoming personal with your servant.”
          As for "delirium" - answer for your words.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2018 15: 39 New
    +2
    Piracy is certainly a fantasy, it will not be like that in our coastal zone, which is what, the border guards and the coast guard will cover.
    A hint of a run to distant shores ??? The base is needed, at least the MTO point, as part of a group with support ships!
    And so, it will be skerted along the coast, and if suddenly, in calibers or more than balls !!!
    Such a normal doctrine of DEFENSE ... we can and flawed, but we do what we can!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 13 January 2018 15: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Piracy is of course fantasy,

      Come on. Constantly Japanese fishermen catch piracy
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2018 16: 51 New
        +5
        These are violations of the border regime, poaching, and further down the list ... all from the list of competences of border guards, guard fish, etc. ... they can be called anything you like, but legally they don’t qualify it as piracy !!!
        Question - and what for there corvette ??? Boats of border guards or coastal services are not enough ???
        Violators that go on armored labels?
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 17: 02 New
          +2
          Patrolman 22160 has good living conditions and autonomy for 60 days. And they will send him to those places where our border guards do not go. A cannon, a helicopter and a monkey for pirates, that’s all he needs to complete the task.
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            pirate monkey

            Are they taken prisoner ...? what for? to the zoo???
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 17: 51 New
              +2
              This is 300 years ago, pirates were hanged without trial and investigation right on the main mast fellow . Now this is no longer practiced request
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 13 January 2018 21: 20 New
            +4
            A helicopter is a gut and a monkey is useful, the same smugglers can be planted or drunk fishermen! Autonomy up to 60 days, at how much fuel is needed in stock and other necessary, not in one place to stand!
            All the same, "recharge" somewhere have ???
            Near their shores, it’s not a question, everything that needs to be organized. The coastline we have oh-hoo, there is work.
            There are doubts about long trips.
            By the way, as for the hemp tie, for the pirates, I read, it was not yesterday, however, that in some places this tradition was not canceled in any way and the captain has the right to make such a decision!
            Now I won’t say for sure, the topic was about the Mediterranean countries ???
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 January 2018 15: 41 New
    +1
    Such need to be built in a series of 40 units, no less! negative
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 13 January 2018 15: 57 New
      +3
      It is not clear why.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 13 January 2018 16: 04 New
        +2
        So far, we cannot build an ocean fleet, and a large fleet is needed to defend our lands! So far this is an alternative!
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 13 January 2018 16: 11 New
          +4
          Yes, it’s almost useless for land defense. For defense of land from the sea, it is necessary first of all PLO, well, RCC. This does not hinder the carrier ship and the SAM. There is no PLO or air defense system on this ship, anti-ship missiles are installed optionally, in some very tricky configuration.

          This ship is imprisoned for anti-piracy operations, why they are so important for Russia is a separate issue, here China is clearly not just got hold of the Navy base in Djibouti - but here it is clear - it needs control over trade routes. And pirates, by the way, long ago became a tool for the work of all kinds of special services there.
          40 ships for anti-piracy activities is clearly overkill. Here, a little higher, lis-ik generally doubts that we need this.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 13 January 2018 16: 19 New
            0
            Quote: alexmach
            40 ships for anti-piracy activities is clearly overkill

            It seems they plan 12 - 6 for the Black Sea Fleet and 6 for the Pacific Fleet.
          2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 16: 24 New
            +4
            Such patrol officers allow you to free from the secondary tasks of the BOD and the guard, which are already few. And 6 pieces of 22160 are enough to work in the Gulf of Aden. 60 days very good autonomy.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 13 January 2018 16: 49 New
              +4
              I just won’t understand why this Gulf of Aden was given to Russia. We don’t have a merchant fleet. Are you going to guard Chinese trade?
              1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 16: 57 New
                +3
                Demonstration of the flag. And the merchant fleet periodically goes there with Russian crews. By the way, in 2009, the atomic cruiser Peter the Great was sent to fight against pirates in the Gulf of Aden He was able to capture three boats with 10 tanned monkeys. It's like hammering a nail with a microscope.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 13 January 2018 20: 15 New
                  +2
                  Flag demonstration

                  Is it a visit to friendly ports or something? Well, I agree, the thing is necessary.
                  By the way, in 2009 the atomic cruiser Peter the Great was sent to fight pirates in the Gulf of Aden

                  no, well, the fact that this boat is ideal for such missions, and chasing ships of the first rank for it, which have so much work at all, is somehow stupid. The question is how much is needed to build a series of ships ...
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 13 January 2018 18: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                We don’t have a merchant fleet

                Really? Not as I would like, but there is.
              3. ZVladimir222
                ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 06: 08 New
                0
                - In the Indian Ocean, NATO SSBNs are on duty with the Tridents aimed at Russia.
                They should be monitored and, if possible, kept in sight. It is difficult and expensive - but there is no way out. If you want to live, and your children are not in America.
                Our ships used to launch bases in Yemen and Socotra. Now all is lost. Long hikes (for example, from Syria) are expensive and exhausting for l / s.
                The Persian Gulf with the Red Sea is generally a serpentine. There, NATO and Israeli warships and ships feel at home.
                In the event of a global conflict, our Navy should destroy them (especially aircraft carriers and missile cruisers) immediately. There is a nuclear submarine for this - but it is expensive, dangerous and not enough. They must be kept at gunpoint and above water.
                In the Persian Gulf, apart from Iran, we have only enemies (in the case of a US attack on Russia, by the way, they also need to be totally destroyed immediately). It is most convenient to shoot missiles from the Gulf of Aden.
                Flight time is short and our ships will have time to release ammunition before they die themselves. When fighting in the Persian Gulf (shooting almost point blank) it is more difficult to implement. Hiding there (even in fog, which almost never happens there) is impossible.
                In Adena (especially during a storm at night) you still may not be found.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 15 January 2018 09: 35 New
                  0
                  A wonderful story. And what of all the above, these ships can?
                  Keep an eye on SSBN in the Indian Ocean? And the fact that they don’t have a HOOK at all does not bother you?
                  Quickly destroy NATO fleets in the Persian Gulf? 6 small boats? yeah, now ... They will not be able to find these fleets first themselves, even knowing their location.

                  Once again, especially for visionaries, a boat specifically for anti-piracy operations. Suitable for everything else is very, very limited. By the way, pirate attacks in the Gulf of Aden have not been a year since 2015 ...
                  1. ZVladimir222
                    ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 13: 32 New
                    0
                    - Who is the dreamer here - the question is still open.
                    About what they write about "The Ship, for special anti-piracy operations" - contact the first section. To whom they powder their brains for reasons of secrecy. Knowledgeable people (including those on the other side of the ocean) cannot ride this bike on their ears.
                    Those who know the materiel understand perfectly what this boat can and what does not.
                    And he will be able (after they put at first 8, and then 16 launchers) hit 3,2 Megatons at 16 targets up to 2500 - kilometers in 1 - 2,5 hours.
                    In the variant of ballistic missiles - for one and a half thousand km. and generally in 5 minutes (just in the Persian Gulf).
                    And it's all alone. And if there are 6 of them, as you write, then 19 megatons for 96 goals. Just the whole NATO fleet in the theater of operations. Simple arithmetic? And it will be there, if necessary, not 6, but 20. This is only the beginning.
                    20 units with such weapons will be enough to inflict unacceptable embarrassment on the part of the 45 Megatons for 224 cities and objects to our Saudi, Qatari, Bahraini, UAE-shih and other "Islamic friends", destroying the entire NATO surface fleet in the Persian Gulf and surrounding seas including the Arabian
                    Quickly (and without interfering with our other aircraft in our native sky) explain, so to speak, with the help of this many-headed “Kuzkina mother” with a 21% lower TNT power, that it’s obviously not good to be friends with the USA against Russia, to put it mildly !
                    As for the SAS, detection and radar - for those who taught materiel, the truth is known - today the fleet is a global combat system. He does not need to see aircraft carriers and cruisers in the Persian Gulf. Put the main coordinates into the weapon and click on "Start".
                    SSBN generally never sees its goals. They (and him) will be told where to shoot.
                    What small ships are capable of was proved by his Caspian counterpart "Buyan-M" (also, by the way, did not see the targets for which he was fired, but did not miss). This is now the student knows. And for some reason you don’t know.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 15 January 2018 18: 30 New
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                      And he will be able (after they put at first 8, and then 16 launchers) hit 3,2 Megatons at 16 targets up to 2500 - kilometers in 1 - 2,5 hours.

                      16 does not fit into it in any way.

                      In the variant of ballistic missiles - for one and a half thousand km. and generally in 5 minutes (just in the Persian Gulf).

                      Are there such ballistic missiles in service with that?

                      And if there are 6 of them, as you write, then 19 megatons for 96 goals. Just the whole NATO fleet on the theater of operations

                      For a start, the entire NATO fleet in the theater of operations would not be bad to discover. And isn’t it even scary to send all these megatons to sail in alien seas on a boat completely unprotected from anything?

                      20 units with such weapons would be enough to inflict unacceptable embarrassment on the part of the 45th Megatons for 224 cities and objects for our Saudi, Qatari, Bahraini, UAE-shih and other “Islamic friends”

                      in 224 cities? Is it like you are going to launch 224 charges from these boats? Do you know that the whole Russian nuclear arsenal has something in the range of 700 charges? Are you the third one going to send the hell knows where on an unprotected ship?

                      As for the SAS, detection and radar - for those who taught materiel, the truth is known - today the fleet is a global combat system. He does not need to see aircraft carriers and cruisers in the Persian Gulf. Put the main coordinates into the weapon and click on "Start".

                      You taught some strange materiel. That materiel that is a ship has the ability to move in space. Therefore, just entering the coordinates is not very effective. The part of the materiel that is submarine still has a bad habit of moving stealthily

                      SSBN generally never sees its goals. They (and him) will be told where to shoot.

                      Yes, what are you, but in the opposite direction, for firing at SSBNs, how does this rule work?

                      What small ships are capable of is proved by his Caspian counterpart "Buyan-M"

                      I’m not sure what your schoolchildren know there, but the buoy Nirazu is not his brother.
                      1. ZVladimir222
                        ZVladimir222 16 January 2018 00: 47 New
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                        - Why is it that Buyan-M is not a fellow? Is he a land or something? Or maybe it has a displacement of 10 times more or less?
                        On the issue of "in the opposite direction," explain more precisely. What are we talking about. More specifically. Better put the question - I will answer.
                        Now on the points:
                        1) As for the materiel - the technology of hitting missiles from anywhere in the world’s oceans (including the most difficult one - the shell of the Arctic Ocean, directly from under the ice) has been worked out for a long time. Although they continue to improve.
                        For submarines - I agree. Attacking the Ohio will be difficult. They are not visible at all.
                        But in case there is target designation from another platform: our multi-purpose submarine "tail-mounted" by an American or an anti-submarine ship that discovered her, of which I agree that we are clearly not enough in the Indian Ocean or from a satellite - he will see the Trident launches from under the water . In any of these cases, the corvette 22160 will be able to support them with fire.
                        Moreover, the charges on our ships (for example, such as "Gorshkov" or "Grigorovich") are clearly not enough.
                        The corvette is also suitable for the escort of our aircraft carrier formation.
                        2) About 700 charges you are deeply mistaken if you think so for Russia.
                        Believe less on the Internet and any signed papers.
                        According to the estimates of specialists from Israel alone, Israel alone has 500 to 1500!
                        Once we had about 30, or maybe more.
                        When I served, it was already about 12.
                        Now this figure is classified. But according to the most conservative estimates of 4 to 8 warheads.
                        Especially a lot of tactical nuclear weapons, which Putin, fortunately, have the intelligence to keep quiet.
                        In any case, we have enough warheads, do not hesitate. 12th management does not sleep (and never sleeps). In addition, Russia now again produces new warheads. Enough materials.
                        But with charge carriers - there is today a severe shortage of the sea.
                        Here is one of the solutions for you - this corvette.
                        In addition, this ship is not at all “not protected” as you write. The radar, of course, is rather weak. But he will not go to sea alone, but with friends (including larger ones, such as, for example, Essen).
                        And later, I think, they will install a more adequate radar. This technique is now developing rapidly. Although, I agree, not fast enough and correctly.
                        It’s not scary to send megatons - they always send, send and will send. They are not alien seas - they are neutral so far. And we are the same full owners there, like anyone else. Only with a much larger handicap. We have more rights to these seas. By right of the strong.
                        3) Detection. The NATO surface fleet, for the most part, is clearly visible with our reconnaissance assets. I have already touched on the submarine - everything is much more complicated. And we and they too.
                        4) We have ballistic missiles in service. Many and different. And they will be soon. The most fashionable now is Iskander and, for example, S-300. Yes, plus the secret "Frontier" (in general, the complex is very similar to the destroyed "Pioneer", only in a new round of equipment. Although land-based, there are other developments, including sea-based ones. There are also compact ones (right under the cell from Caliber "). But so far they are keeping quiet. And rightly so.
                        True, so far, under the existing agreement, they cannot be placed on surface ships. But, as you know, the USA spits on all contracts and always does whatever they want.
                        They have broken this agreement for a long time. An example is the SM-3 Standard rocket and its other cousins. We have something to answer. The same marine variants of the S-300 with different names ("Fort"), etc. There are other systems.
                        Soon they will have to put them all into operation.
                        5) Now about fit - not fit.
                        “Buyana-M” has a displacement of 950 tons.
                        8 "Caliber" breaks well. And there are other weapons too. One gun mount A190 "Universal" weighs 15 tons. Yes, plus a rather bulky “Duet” (3800 kg).
                        If you remove all this, you can put another 8 “Caliber” on the Buyan.
                        The 3S14U1 launcher (not the smallest of the "sisters") weighs 14 tons. Yes, plus 2x8 rockets = 16 tons.
                        Total 14 + 16 = 30 tons. Minus 30 (15 + 3,8 = 19) = 11 t. Overload.
                        Something else to remove and OK, although it basically pulls.
                        Simple arithmetic. Although this will have to redo the ship, the problem is solved.
                        22160 has a displacement of 1500 - 1800 tons (almost exactly 2 times more than “Buyana-M”) and a modular design. The question of 16 "Gauges" or even "Onyxes" is not at all worth it. Climb in and still a place will remain.
                        It is not known what is inside, what modules and what to redo, but if you want, you can stick 24 “Caliber” there, throwing out everything else.
                        Of course, this is already a bust, although how to say it!
                        20 of these ships is already 480 warheads (96 Megatons).
                        A whole component of the nuclear triad. I have no doubt that, for example, India will take a similar path in the future.
                        Cheap and very angry!
                        Well, have I answered all your questions? Constructively?
                        Ask again - do not hesitate - there are answers. Oppose if you do not agree. I always agree with sober arguments.
                        But only objectively. Without scholasticism. I do not participate in scholastic disputes.
                        Sincerely.
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Herkulesich
          So far this is an alternative!

          SKR, as it looks more reliable ....
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 13 January 2018 23: 16 New
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        It is not clear why.

        Why do ships build at all? It is necessary .....
    2. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 05: 54 New
      0
      - I agree with you. But first you need it
      1) bring to mind
      2) experience in battle
      3) to make a total unification (so that the ships, if possible, do not differ much from each other, for the convenience of maintenance and saving on repairs).
      And then - “Stamp them like sausages” in Khrushchev's terms.
      However, all this will take time, which Russia, unfortunately, no longer has.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 January 2018 15: 41 New
    0
    Yes e.p.r..s. 9 feet and what is supposed to be in the forecourt, but .... it will not be enough ....
  6. Vanin
    Vanin 13 January 2018 15: 48 New
    +4
    The lead ship of this project "Vasily Bykov" was laid 26 February 2014 of the year. At different stages of construction are the corvettes "Dmitry Rogachev", "Pavel Derzhavin", "Sergey Kotov" and "Victor the Great".

    Names are good! I hope they live up to their names .. Let the men hurry, we really need these ships ..! soldier
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: VANIN
      we really need these ships ..!

      here and the "vitalka" burned down .... did not see for a long time. got out of the next "ban"? overslept though? on "ava" - not really ... laughing
  7. NKT
    NKT 13 January 2018 16: 25 New
    0
    What we have:

    4th rank:
    21630 Buyan (M) 500-900t
    21980 - Rook 140t
    22800 - Karakurt 800t

    3th rank:
    20380 - 2200t
    22160-1500t

    2nd rank:
    22350 - 5400t
    11356 - 4000t

    1nd rank:
    sad
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 13 January 2018 16: 57 New
      +3
      You would tighten the belt when you are standing in front of the elder ... wink
      1. passerby
        passerby 13 January 2018 17: 07 New
        +3
        Get up when the second lieutenant is talking to you !!! (with)
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 13 January 2018 17: 30 New
          +4
          Lieutenant, in vain you are stuck in this conversation!

          Happy New Year!
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: NKT
      1nd rank:

      and “Peter”, and “Atlanta” ... not? well, in repair, but not written off as well.
      1. NKT
        NKT 13 January 2018 17: 57 New
        +1
        Eagles, Atlanta, Sarych - yes, but I'm talking about new ships.
    3. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 06: 55 New
      0
      - Never mind. So far, even without the 1st rank, we will manage if that. The main thing is that smaller "triremes" should be enough against enemy galleys.
      Particularly promising and optimal are 11356. They are, of course, removed from production - because they are inexpensive. From here the budget is inconvenient to cut.
      Heavier 22350 are much more expensive - but there is no more sense from them. With the modernization of the 11356th Caliber, the projects will carry the same.
      One problem is radar. Well, this is also a fixable thing.
      And seaworthiness - it’s even nothing in this ship under discussion. Why do we need dinosaurs? All the same, they will die during the first attack!
      Twelve and Sixteen inches (for which ships of the first rank were built) are a thing of the past. And for the "Caliber" and other missiles, 11356 with smaller associates will be enough. The blow is no less devastating, no matter which ship (or boat) hits!
      Well, if you really need the edge of the ships of the first rank, then here you are:
      Submarine 949A Antey - 5 in service, 3 - under repair, Ash - 1 unit, 971 Pike-B 4 - under service, 7 - under repair ...
      We do not consider strategists.
      Well and further on the list (I will not list everything). + "Eagles" (one in the ranks), soon another will be.
      While there is something to answer, if anything - hit so, they won’t think enough!
      And work is underway, although I agree - this is not enough so far.
      The main rivals at sea are precisely small NATO ships.
      Aircraft carriers can quickly drown everything. And cruisers are also possible!
      But try to quickly drown the entire smaller NATO-armada, the one below the first rank.
      And they are all armed with the Tomahawks. So, in contrast to them, they should do the same. “Better less, but better!”, As V.I. Lenin.
      PS Oh! How glad I am that Putin stood up for Lenin today!
  8. Every
    Every 13 January 2018 16: 34 New
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    Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov clarified that the 22160 project was invented and proposed by the designers for the Navy for anti-terrorist operations and the fight against piracy, which is very common, especially in the countries of the Middle East.


    Armament Corvette:
    Radar station "Pal-N"
    Radar station "Positive-MA1"
    Radio-electronic weapons ГАК МГК-335EM-03
    GAS "Vignette-EM"
    GAS Pallada
    complex REP TK-25
    complex rep PK-10

    Tactical strike weapons
    UVP RK "Caliber-NK"
    Artillery 1 × 1-57mm АУ A-220М
    Missile weapons
    RCC 3М54 and / or 3М55
    1 × launcher 3M-47 "Bending"
    2 × launcher SAM "Shtil-1" [1] (optional)
    Пpirate missiles? what This is what they are pirating on there?

    Anti-submarine weapons
    2 grenade launcher DP-65
    91Р1 and 91РТ2 rocket torpedoes
    The pirates also have submarines.

    Aviation Group
    helicopter weighing up to 12 tons (Ka-27, Ka-29, Ka-31)
    or several UAVs

    What kind of pirates are there?
    And in general, the whole series will go to the World Cup, where did the pirates come from?
    In general, Zelenodolzy fellows, quickly build. Head laid in 2014. and now 6.
    1. tank66
      tank66 13 January 2018 16: 52 New
      +1
      Cheb to overcome piracy at the root, only 2-3 caliber is required for this London high-rise building to pull. / lloyd market /
      There, almost all the little boats insure, and then to regular "thugs" loom who and where to hollow. Of course, a holy place does not happen to be empty, but for a year a chernopopaya half a second will resolve ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 13 January 2018 17: 36 New
        +4
        tank66, oh how! Are fishing longboats in London already fracturing and insuring? (Mr. Moderators, I hope. I did not violate anything?)
    2. andron-30
      andron-30 13 January 2018 17: 01 New
      +1
      Are you an officer? and not for you to discuss our orders
      1. ZVladimir222
        ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 23: 20 New
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        - Oh no!
        I see that you know our army poorly!
        In our army, every single serious order is first collegially discussed incognito, and only then a decision is made, as in that song:
        ... "The company commander comes up:" Well, brothers, new recruits, Holodtrans m ... yours! Let's run to the Germans! "..... (to the machine gun) ..." Run alone! "
        And such answers (directly or indirectly, explicitly or silently) to officers often come from soldiers (and senior officers from junior officers), and generals from senior officers, and even from generals - the government.
        This has always been our army. this is not Prussia for you. And the phrase: "Orders are not discussed!" - Nothing but an old soldier (and officer) sad joke.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 13 January 2018 17: 01 New
      +2
      Every, stop telling the pirates secrets! You still talk about spinning!
      PS Now the pirates are not the same, and these, significantly, should not be wetted by those, but by these.
      1. Every
        Every 13 January 2018 18: 21 New
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        Quote: sabakina
        Every, stop telling the pirates secrets! You still talk about spinning!
        PS Now the pirates are not the same, and these, significantly, should not be wetted by those, but by these.

        Those who are not those, but these, have long been known to everyone.
    4. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 January 2018 17: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Every
      Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov clarified that the 22160 project was invented and proposed by the designers for the Navy for anti-terrorist operations and the fight against piracy, which is very common, especially in the countries of the Middle East.


      Armament Corvette:
      Radar station "Pal-N"
      Radar station "Positive-MA1"
      Radio-electronic weapons ГАК МГК-335EM-03
      GAS "Vignette-EM"
      GAS Pallada
      complex REP TK-25
      complex rep PK-10

      Tactical strike weapons
      UVP RK "Caliber-NK"
      Artillery 1 × 1-57mm АУ A-220М
      Missile weapons
      RCC 3М54 and / or 3М55
      1 × launcher 3M-47 "Bending"
      2 × launcher SAM "Shtil-1" [1] (optional)
      Пpirate missiles? what This is what they are pirating on there?

      Anti-submarine weapons
      2 grenade launcher DP-65
      91Р1 and 91РТ2 rocket torpedoes
      The pirates also have submarines.

      Aviation Group
      helicopter weighing up to 12 tons (Ka-27, Ka-29, Ka-31)
      or several UAVs

      What kind of pirates are there?
      And in general, the whole series will go to the World Cup, where did the pirates come from?
      In general, Zelenodolzy fellows, quickly build. Head laid in 2014. and now 6.

      On 6 patrols there will be only a gun, a helicopter and a monkey for pirates. This is the homeless version that our navy ordered. And all sorts of options such as calm, caliber and other nishtyakov are only in the advertising booklet.
      1. ZVladimir222
        ZVladimir222 15 January 2018 14: 04 New
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        - You know, it all depends on the goals.
        The main weapon of Onassis on the yacht "Christina" with a displacement of 2250 tons were gold toilets.
        And the "Caliber" along with the launcher and in the garbage container on a boat with a carrying capacity of 2 tons can stick. A ride.
        Nobody will guess either. The most that.
        If you are planning a monkey, it means a police ship. The thing is that it is multifunctional. And this is on the one hand even good. Although there are cons.
        The main thing is inexpensive. And you can configure quickly.
        And his displacement is solid. Only the speed is small.
    5. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 January 2018 17: 55 New
      +1
      [quote] UVP RK "Caliber-NK" [/ quote it seems there are none there.]
    6. Botanologist
      Botanologist 13 January 2018 18: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Every
      Anti-ship missiles on pirates?


      Where is the RCC from? There is a gun 76 mm and machine guns. Read that on the project OPTIONALLY, AT THE DESIRE installed "Calm" and so on. This is not the case for the Navy. And will not be.
      1. Every
        Every 13 January 2018 18: 41 New
        0
        Where is the information that will not be?
        The integrated caliber-NKE missile system is installed at the request of the customer.
        Source: http://www.severnoe.com/proposals/naval/22160/

        Register of ships pr.22160 (04.11.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX):
        1.
        01 "Vasily Bykov" pr.22160 161 Zelenodolsky Shipyard named after A.M. Gorky
        laid: 26.02.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
        launched: plan - second half of 2016
        will go into operation: plan - 2017. The Caliber-NK will be armed
        Source: http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-789.html
        What other ships will be armed with, I have no information.
  9. next322
    next322 13 January 2018 16: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: Every
    In general, Zelenodolzy fellows, quickly build. Head laid in 2014. and now 6.

    Bykov should be adopted by the Navy in 2017, he has not even gone to the factory, and it is still unknown when he will be accepted at 18 or 19 ..... for all the others, a right shift by a year, respectively ...... and this is only 1500 tons , almost without weapons (one AK-176 gun) to build 4 years, this is nonsense ..... not a single Buyan was handed over for 2017. Is this being built quickly ??
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 13 January 2018 16: 52 New
    +1
    like a toy boat, God grant him a long life
  11. andron-30
    andron-30 13 January 2018 16: 54 New
    +1
    on earth we can neutralize anyone in another environment there will be problems, not big ones,
  12. demo
    demo 13 January 2018 17: 04 New
    +1
    An interesting ship to combat piracy.


    Years of construction since February 26, 2014
    Scheduled 6, with a possible increase to 12 units
    6 under construction
    Main characteristics
    Displacement 1300-1800 t (standard)
    94 m length (longest)
    14 width m
    Draft 3,4 m
    CODAG type gas engine engines:
    2 marching diesel
    2 afterburners
    EEU:
    4 dg
    1 emergency parking DG
    Power 34000 HP (25 MW) (GEM)
    4 × 300 kW
    1 × 100 kW
    Propeller 2 screws
    Speed ​​30 knots (full)
    16 knots (patrol)
    Cruising range 6000 miles (at 16 knots)
    Autonomy of swimming 60 days
    Crew up to 80 people
    weaponry
    Radar weapons radar "Pal-N"
    Radar station "Positive-MA1"
    Radio-electronic weapons ГАК МГК-335EM-03
    GAS "Vignette-EM"
    GAS Pallada
    complex REP TK-25
    complex rep PK-10
    Tactical strike weapons UVP RK "Caliber-NK"
    Artillery 1 × 1-57mm АУ A-220М
    Missile weapons RCC 3M54 and / or 3M55
    1 × launcher 3M-47 "Bending"
    2 × launcher SAM "Shtil-1" [1] (optional)
    Anti-submarine weapons 2 grenade launcher DP-65
    91Р1 and 91РТ2 rocket torpedoes
    Aviation group helicopter weighing up to 12 tons (Ka-27, Ka-29, Ka-31)
    or several UAVs.

    Especially for pirates, our "Gauges" are needed.
  13. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 13 January 2018 17: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Chertt, Tusv "corvette" which ... does not carry "calibers" ... oversleep guys ... boat, do not confuse with TFR ... laughing WEAPONS Artillery weapons: • 1 57-mm artillery mount A-220M Anti-aircraft missile weapons: • 1 turret anti-aircraft missile launcher “Bend” • 8 MANPADS 9K38 “Needle” Additional weapons: • 2 14,5 gun mounts at the request of the customer: • 1 Shtil-1 air defense missile systems with two 3С90Э.1 modular launchers • 1 integrated Caliber-NKE missile system Anti-sabotage armament: • 2 grenade launchers DP-65 • 1 GAS detection systems allada ”Radio-technical weapons: • 1 radar for detecting air and surface targets“ Positive-MA1 ″ • 1 radar for radar systems “Pal-N” Hydroacoustic armament: • 1 HAC MGK-335EM-03 • 1 GAS “Vinyetron-EM electromagnetic means” • 1 shipborne electronic jamming complex TK-25Е • 1 jamming system PK-10 Aircraft armament: • Telescopic hangar and take-off and landing platform with take-off, landing and maintenance search and rescue helicopter weighing up to 12 tons of type K -27 SS Sources: USC, Northern PKB, Zelenodolsk plant named. Gorky, SPKB annual report for 2016, bmpd.livejournal.com and others.
    Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/22160/ OVT “WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLANDS” AVKarpenko

    In fact, on the 22160 patrol there will be only an AK-176M caliber 76 mm gun and a helicopter. And he is needed because the FSB Coast Guard of the FSB cannot be sent to the Mediterranean Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

    And where did they get about the "coast guard and the FSB"? This is a Navy patrol ship and is capable of serving anywhere. For example, in Middle-earth in the Tartus region. Quote:
    Project 22160 patrol ships are Russian patrol ships of a modular type, a distant marine zone, designed and built at the A. Gorky Zelenodolsk plant to replenish the naval fleet of Russia.
    Designed for the border patrol service for the protection of territorial waters, patrolling the 200 mile exclusive economic zone in open and closed seas, curbing smuggling and piracy, searching and assisting victims of maritime disasters, environmental monitoring in peacetime, protecting ships and ships at the transition by sea, as well as naval bases and water areas with the aim of warning of an attack by various enemy forces and equipment - in wartime, as well as operations in the far sea and ocean zones.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 13 January 2018 22: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Sergeant71
      as well as operations in the far sea and ocean zones.

      Interesting: what kind of operations "in the far sea and ocean zones" this baby can carry out !? Or they completely collapsed from the stool in the General Staff in order to “operate” a ship with the Flex in the domination zones of the IOS supremacy instead of zonal air defense ... Or by this time it will already be the carrier of the F-35B super-UAV fighter-interceptor with UDC and AVU !?
      Well, tady, OH !!! But in general, "you need to think about your head before staining the paper with ink" (c) ...
      But.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 13 January 2018 23: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        what kind of operations "in the far sea and ocean zones" can this baby be able to carry out !?

        The probability that some tanker or dry cargo ship of the Russian Federation will be attacked by the US Navy is practically zero, but the likelihood that some "independent" pirates will try to capture them is no longer zero. In fact, this is a landing ship, imprisoned for landing small groups of special forces.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 13 January 2018 23: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          Dart2027

          Darth Weder! I am about the concept of "operation", actually, and not about hypothetical situations "in vopche"
          Maritime operation - the totality of naval battles, battles and strikes agreed and interconnected by the purpose, place and time, carried out by groups of diverse fleet forces both independently and in conjunction with formations (units) of other types of armed forces in accordance with a single plan and plan ...

          Therefore, “thinking”, without thinking, you don’t even rush to Borisov, even though I’m deputy to the Defense Ministry ... For each “military” term carries a certain amount of conceptual information ...
          I personally about it, and only. hi
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 13 January 2018 23: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            For each "military" term carries a certain amount of conceptual information

            It so happened that many words in ordinary colloquial speech are used in a somewhat expanded sense, unlike a professional lexicon, in particular, any force action is usually called an operation.
            If you want to make a remark in the exact terminology, then it is advisable to write about this, otherwise it is not clear what is at stake.
  14. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 January 2018 18: 46 New
    +2
    Pirates are certainly good, although what good is there ... but it's time to revive the Dnieper naval flotilla, because they even took Berlin.
  15. Overlock
    Overlock 13 January 2018 19: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    ... But if the possibility of installation is provided for this to be so, it may not immediately

    Why not put it right away? Will it carry air?
  16. Overlock
    Overlock 13 January 2018 19: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    On 6 patrols there will be only a gun, a helicopter and a monkey for pirates. This is the homeless version that our navy ordered. And all sorts of options such as calm, caliber and other nishtyakov are only in the advertising booklet.

    as if the "pirates of the Caribbean" themselves did not receive them in terms of
  17. Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 13 January 2018 19: 24 New
    0
    [quote = Dedkastary] [quote] UVP RK "Caliber-NK" [/ quote it seems there are none there.] [/ quote]
    Yes, there, under the helicopter deck, as it were, ,, Caliber ,, in the container. This is only at the request of the customer, sort of.
  18. Proton
    Proton 13 January 2018 19: 25 New
    0
    "The sixth and fifth in a series of project 22160 corvette" is how can this be obtained? laughing
    1. Every
      Every 13 January 2018 19: 58 New
      +1
      The first mortgaged "Vasily Bykov" is the lead one.
      The second mortgaged "Dmitry Rogachev" - the first serial.
      The third mortgaged "Pavel Derzhavin" - the second serial
      Well, etc.
      A total of 6 units were laid (possibly 12).
  19. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 January 2018 20: 01 New
    +1
    Yes, we now need all kinds of ships, as we wore order. Everyone will be beneficial, and even more so in the Mediterranean.
  20. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 14 January 2018 00: 40 New
    +2
    Sipyagin ... Antonov ... Stuffed cabbage, etc.
    names of the 10th brigade MCHPV soldier
  21. ZVladimir222
    ZVladimir222 14 January 2018 02: 38 New
    +1
    “It looks like a good ship.” Displacement is just that - cheap and very angry. It is excellent that they decided to increase seaworthiness in comparison with the Buyan-M. I had to guess right away. Now send him to Cuba at least. Overseas "friends" will be delighted by the "Caliber" next to their long nose, which they are used to poking in other people's affairs: either to Syria with Ukraine, then to Libya with Iraq, then to Vietnam and Korea ...
    You can call it then "Nosorez".
    However, there are two problems:
    1) Absolutely insufficient speed, and therefore power. There should be a minimum of nodes 35. This is still an engineer V.P. Kostenko (veteran Tsushima) proved to our shipbuilders during the construction of the destroyer "Novik" already in 1910! And the admirals themselves already understood this. Z.P. Rozhdestvensky, who participated in the creation of the ship, also remembered well the Tsushima battle, which he commanded from our side. Since that moment, nothing has changed at sea regarding the necessary maneuverability of ships. The sea remained the sea. And the dictates are the conditions (without looking at the presence of aviation and missiles) that fleet that is better armed and moves faster.
    We do not need such ships that move slower than the enemy. So that he does not impose his will in maneuvering formations!
    This means that the power plant of this ship must have a minimum of 45 hp. maybe more!
    The ideal option here is 40 knots. The task is still that. Especially considering the deplorable state of our affairs in the production of power plants.
    A CODAG-type power plant is expensive, complicated and capricious to maintain. Although economical. You can try to solve the problem like this:
    Throw the diesel on the screws through the gearbox, and the gas turbine (you have to install another turbine, then with the same model it will turn out 51 hp) with electric movement.
    It is possible that it will be more convenient for a diesel engine to throw through a power transmission having got rid of the gearbox, but it is impossible to say more precisely about this now.
    It will be clear only in place. In any case, reliability will increase, maintenance and construction itself will be simplified, and the ship will receive almost 35 MW of electric power, which will allow it to install powerful radars and carbon dioxide laser guns for missile defense.
    If the desired speed cannot be achieved, try to apply the development of R. Alekseev to reduce rainfall at full speed in calm. For example, side retractable hydrofoils. Although this question is not very simple. It may not work out.
    2) How many calibers are there - 8? This is no good!
    This is not enough. You need a minimum of 16. There is a place. You can remove the stupid for modern times and bulky artillery. Perhaps the modular design provides for this, but if not, you need to redo it. I’ve been talking about this for another five years, as I thought and wrote to all authorities. As soon as the "Buyans" went. Received stupid answers from generals and colonels.
    Clear business - they do not fight at sea. In Moscow, the offices are warm.
    By the way, about seaworthiness and “Buyana”, too, had to immediately do with the same margin of safety. In the Caspian, storms are also hoo!
    And increase the number of missiles and none! 20 ships then there will be 320 missiles. Each of 150 - 200 kT - a total of 64 Megatons for 320 objects. Yes, plus "Iskander", a new one must fit into the same cell. This is to reduce flight time to 4 minutes to Washington and London.
    The truth will have to violate the agreement on the installation of ballistic missiles on surface ships, but the United States for a long time did not give a damn about all the treaties.
    And then we’ll talk with the USA about Latvia and Ukraine, missile defense and other things.
    Let's see who takes it! They have almost the entire country living no further than 250 km. From the sea. Och is a good help to our strategic nuclear forces. We will teach them to abide strictly by their missile defense agreement, and to secure Gorbachev’s oral promises in writing, with a fine in case of violation of $ 1 trillion from them.
    And they don’t want to talk “constructively” - we’ll add another 200 units.
    there will be 3200 missiles and 640 megatons. Just in case. For the budget is not very burdensome.
    The artillery should also be removable without a tower (4 tank cannons of 125 mm can be placed on sides with manual loading.). Without AZ, they will take up little space, and the rate of fire is higher. Yes, plus a couple of turrets with KPVT. Enough to beat the pirates. The main thing is Caliber.
  22. Nemesis
    Nemesis 14 January 2018 09: 25 New
    +1
    This is not a corvette, this is a border ship on which you can only drive drunk poachers ...
    1. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 14 January 2018 12: 42 New
      +2
      - And the destroyer Novik to the First World War (Yakov Sverdlov to the Great Patriotic War), in your opinion, was only suitable for chasing poachers? He has the same displacement.
      According to yours and V.P. Kostenko and Schlesinger and Bubnov, and academician A.N. Krylov himself, before the First World War, only engaged in the construction of the "Drunk Poachers?"
      Or maybe, in your opinion, they did not have enough brains? Explain!
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 15 January 2018 21: 35 New
        +1
        When the destroyer Novik was tested, there was not only good news from its speed.
        https://db.chgk.info/contact/question/smcat00.2/2
        0? Destination = / tour / smcat00.2
      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 16 January 2018 06: 29 New
        0
        Destroyers like Novik were called half-cruisers ... How did your tongue turn to compare this head, which as a standard weapon has nothing more serious than a 57mm gun, with destroyers like Novik ?! Learn the engine ... This trough, which you inappropriately compare in Novik, is seriously inferior in its capabilities to the Soviet border guards like Nerey ... In other words, a new ship is built worse than the old one, and this is wrecking ...
  23. Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2018 21: 04 New
    0
    Quote: sabakina
    Fishing longboats

    Zaporizhzhya, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions are Russian territories temporarily transferred by the first secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the USSR, Ukrainian Nikita Khrushchev, to Ukraine to simplify the management of construction organizations for the period of recovery of Ukrainian industry from the damage caused by the Nazi occupiers in 1941-1944. Khrushchev did not have time to return them to Russia - he was removed from the post of leader of the Ukrainian Leonid Brezhnev., Which of course was not handy to return these areas to Russia. Here it is worth recalling the Russian Minister Shevarnadze, who “straightened” the border of Russia and the USA in the Bering Sea, as a result of which the fish-rich shelf near the Aleutian Islands ended up in the USA ..
  24. Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2018 21: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Svetlana
    Quote: sabakina
    Fishing longboats

    Primorsky Zaporizhzhya, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions are Russian territories temporarily transferred by the first secretary of the Central Committee of the USSR CPSU, Ukrainian Nikita Khrushchev, to Ukraine to simplify the management of construction organizations for the period of recovery of Ukrainian industry from the damage caused by the Nazi occupiers in 1941-1944 . Khrushchev did not have time to return them to Russia - he was removed from the post of leader of the Ukrainian Leonid Brezhnev., Which of course was not handy to return these areas to Russia. Here it’s worth recalling the Russian minister Shevarnadze, who “straightened” the border of Russia and the USA in the Bering Sea, as a result of which the fish-rich shelf near the Aleutian Islands ended up in the USA. And sometimes you want mullet fish ..
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  26. Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2018 21: 37 New
    0
    Quote: ZVladimir222
    we need such ships


    We need such ships at sea!
  27. Alex777
    Alex777 15 January 2018 21: 29 New
    +1
    Inok10,
    Hello! hi
    ... it’s more visible to the Designer ... for me, there’s much to be done ... even more so now the 9M100 in the "Calm-1" is being determined ... something tells me soon we will find out about the new short-range and medium-range air defense systems .. there is such a chuyka ...

    The current 9M100 looks a lot like a modification of the Torov rocket. Both in size and in range.
    If you divide the emphasis on it (which undoubtedly makes sense), then it is easier to set the Reduta PU - everything is ready there. For example, those on 20386. They say that apart from 9M100, nothing will rise in height in those launchers.
  28. alexmach
    alexmach 16 January 2018 10: 12 New
    +1
    ZVladimir222,
    On the issue of "in the opposite direction," explain more precisely. What are we talking about. More specifically. Better put the question - I will answer.

    Yes, all about the same. Here you are writing
    - In the Indian Ocean, NATO SSBNs are on duty with the Tridents aimed at Russia.

    So I ask how these boats can hit SSBNs. You tell me that the SSBN itself shoots just at the known coordinates of the targets and offers to learn the materiel. I remind you that usually the coordinates of these enemy SSBNs are still not known. But in general you below agreed with me on this issue.
    But in case there will be target designation from another platform: our multi-purpose submarine "tail-mounted" by an American or who has discovered

    You will ask how many of these multipurpose nuclear submarines we have, and how many of them will remain in service in the next 10 years. And how many of these Ohio. Here, by the way, an article on this topic ran nearby.
    or from a satellite - he will see the Trident starts from under the water

    Firstly, for this, you still need to have this satellite, with which it must track this particular area.
    And secondly, after the start of the Trident, it’s too late to detect the submarines ... she had already fulfilled her mission by this time.
    - Why is it that Buyan-M is not a fellow? Is he a land or something? Or maybe it has a displacement of 10 times more or less?

    Other purpose and other characteristics. And so you and Peter the Great will be a fellow.

    As for the number of nuclear charges - yes, I was wrong. 700 is the maximum number of carriers of strategic charges under the START 3 agreement. There are more charges themselves, in addition, as far as I understand, tactical charges are not taken into account here.

    In addition, this ship is not at all “not protected” as you write

    I will even say more - from the air he is naked like a falcon.
    And later, I think, they will install a more adequate radar

    Well, let's say there was a proposal to produce the same ships from the Shtil air defense system, but the MO chose seaworthiness instead. Well, let's say you install the radar on it, although there are also questions here, but where do you get the means of hitting air targets? Will you carry the trailer?

    We are armed with ballistic missiles. Many and different. And they will be soon. The most fashionable now is Iskander and, for example, S-300

    Did you send me to teach materiel? Is the S-300 a ballistic missile? And "Iskander" you on this ship in which materiel shove?
    Yes, plus the secret "Frontier" (in general, the complex is very similar to the destroyed "Pioneer", only in a new round of technology

    This line?
    RS-26 (OCD - “Rubezh”, “Vanguard”) is a Russian mobile ground-based missile system with an intercontinental ballistic missile.

    ICBM in the sense of? To this boat?

    Total 14 + 16 = 30 tons. Minus 30 (15 + 3,8 = 19) = 11 t. Overload.
    Something else to remove and OK, although it basically pulls.
    Simple arithmetic. Although this will have to redo the ship, the problem is solved.

    I will add you another section of mathematics - geometry. And where in the finished ship will you place it? In what volumes? And if you are going to remodel it, then how many years will such a remake take?

    The question of 16 "Gauges" or even "Onyxes" is not at all worth it. Climb in and still a place will remain.

    Yes, do not fit. Specifically, Onyx will not fit one.
    It is not known what is inside, what modules and what to redo, but if you want, you can stick 24 “Caliber” there, throwing out the rest

    All the rest is what? engine, fuel and crew? What's inside, by the way, is the estate more known. Inside the very "habitability" and "seaworthiness"
    1. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 16 January 2018 12: 13 New
      +1
      - You still do not want to learn the materiel.
      Want to do scholasticism.
      Well then, I'll ask you a couple of silly questions.
      And what kind of missile (i.e. missiles) on the S-300 complex?
      Can't she fly along a ballistic trajectory?
      And how much does “Rubezh” weigh, what is its “geometry” like? Well there, diameter, length and weight of the launcher?
      What about Iskander? And in general, which one of the Iskanders are you asking about? Have you seen him in the eye?
      If you are such a great specialist in materiel, tell me how much it weighs and its "geometry": length, diameter, mass and range.
      Then let's talk substantively.
      I do not advise you to practice scholasticism with me, as I indicated above. You lose too. I also studied in graduate school in philosophy. So it’s better to give substantive, prove by numbers the correctness.
      Unless, of course, you are interested in a constructive dialogue.
      And who told you that the ICBM? Did I even say that?
      I talked about installing ballistic missiles on the corvette. For example, in the same "Caliber" 91RTE2 - ballistic.
      And medium-range missiles are ballistic.
      And why "Frontier" can not be stuck there? Can't fit under the jute? Give reasons!
      What is inside - you do not know. Unless, of course, it was not built. So it’s so confident to say:
      “What's inside, by the way, is the estate more known. Inside, the very“ habitability ”and“ seaworthiness ”are too bold on your part.
      But as for the volume, it is enough to look at the photo - and it is clear that under the shelter, under the helipad, the corvette has a sufficiently large hold with sufficient volume for missiles. The cartoons show a semblance of a horizontal launcher. Exactly under the "Caliber", "Iskander" or there S-300 "Fort", if you look at the eye length and width.
      Well, once the helicopter lands, it means the mass of rockets will withstand the feed (though without a helicopter).
      He had a huge empty volume behind the wheelhouse at the back. There are no add-ons at all. If you attach a superstructure there, like on the “Buyan-M” rocket there, exactly 16 all will stand up. But the developers for some reason rejected this decision. It seems from considerations of stealth and the same seaworthiness. Then you can remove the gun mount in front of the tank. There is enough space for several missiles. I already wrote about all this briefly.
      And the alterations are minimal.
      As for missiles - here is also an interesting question. 3C90 will fit in there and across, believe me. I know this installation very well - I did it. But it will take up a lot of space. We'll have to remove part of the shock rockets. Although if the ship is modular, in a combat campaign they can be completed in pairs, in a balanced manner.
      - There are 16 strike missiles on one ship, 8 strike missiles on the stern + one 3C90 installation (just on the tank, instead of the A-220M gun mount).
      In the top three with, for example, the frigate of project 11356 plus two ships in this configuration - a powerful strike unit (40 missiles).
      Well, the Dagger and the complex itself will fit on the ship and without prejudice to other missiles. As a last resort, you can use it right today.
      Look at the documentary footage of how it was tested on the Grigorovich in the form of a land installation of the Tor attached to utah.
      I have long thought that the “Dagger" would be good to arm all of our ships. Now, it turns out, fortunately, I was not the only one thinking about it.
      Well, in addition, anti-aircraft missiles are also placed in cells 3C14. Including long range.
      In this configuration (a link of three ships) it will be fairly well protected from the air by missiles.
      And even he alone (with the “Dagger") will not remain defenseless from the Air Force.
      However, that the corvette, that 11356 has problems with radar. I already wrote about this. See above - there are suggestions in which direction to go in order to solve it (along with an increase in the speed of the ship).
      I think sooner or later they will decide.
      So now he may be “Goal like a Falcon,” but this is a temporary phenomenon. For the time being, the yellow-eared falcon.
      Growing up and maturing - this falcon will still clean the hawks' feathers.
      It’s good that you agree with the right reasons (I’m talking about warheads).
      In this context, it is pleasant to deal with a competent interlocutor.
      As for Ohio, I see that you like the fact that Russia cannot adequately track them. You directly run into the topic that since evil cannot be defeated, it means, from your point of view, you need to choose the tactics of non-resistance to evil by violence.
      This is not the first time I touch upon this issue in this article. Our country has been trying to solve this problem for many decades. Used different tech. facilities. It was not possible to make a little. What am I telling you? Learn the materiel!
      Today, there are advances in technology. Submarine drones, buoys, anti-submarine aircraft and ships, multipurpose nuclear submarines - all this is a complex of measures.
      Boats are sometimes found and taken on sight.
      This boat will be a good helper in this difficult matter. Especially in the Indian Ocean, where we have almost nothing (except for two good allies plus Iran - which means bases for it).
      If the boat can be detected in time in the event of a global conflict, it will help to destroy it.
      If it is near, then quickly (with a ballistic missile).
      If far, then at least after the volley. And not just in revenge, but as a combat unit!
      Ohio can't fire in one gulp. This is not our 667BDRM.
      She would need 15 minutes or even half an hour to launch all the rockets.
      Start "Trident" will detect SPRN.
      You ask which satellites? There used to be an Eye. Now they make and bring out new ones. This is war.
    2. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 16 January 2018 12: 30 New
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      So if there are 2 corvettes - this is a strike unit, 20 - an entire area is already covered. 50 - the probability of defeating an underwater enemy is very high.
      And if 200 or 300 - they will drown the boat (and not one) within five minutes, not allowing half the missiles to be fired. The game is worth the game.
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  30. Svetlana
    Svetlana 16 January 2018 22: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: alexmach
    And where in the finished ship will you place it?

    The developers of the Buyan-M small rocket ship created a project for the ship of the future, which is planned to be built according to the trimaran scheme.
    Designers noted that the ship will be able to carry twice as many Caliber missiles than Buyan-M.
    In addition, the trimaran will be able to unfold in place, around its axis, which facilitates mooring in a cramped port.
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201711021416
    -wher.htm

    For comparison, the right picture shows the USS Gabrielle Giffords trimaran with a length of 127,4 meters and a width of 31,6 meters, a displacement of 2,3 thousand tons, speeds up to 47 knots, and the cruising range is about 4,9 thousand miles. The armament includes a 57-millimeter cannon, four 12,7-millimeter machine guns and a launcher for 11 Evolved SeaRAM missiles. On board the ship are two Sikorsky SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopters and drones. Https: //lenta.ru/photo/2018/01/02/us
    navy / # 0
    The width of the Zelenodolsky trimaran will be limited by the width of the locks of the cascade of the Volga hydroelectric power stations (29.56m)
    1. ZVladimir222
      ZVladimir222 16 January 2018 23: 09 New
      0
      - 47 knots You were not mistaken? If this is true, then they (our enemies) are not fools at all!
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 16 January 2018 23: 54 New
        +1
        trimaran outriggers dampen waves from the hull, so wave impedance decreases. Hence such high speeds.
        1. ZVladimir222
          ZVladimir222 17 January 2018 00: 09 New
          0
          - Yes, I googled, if Wikipedia does not lie the enemy, it even has 48 nodes. (87 km / h = 48,33 knots).
          True, they think somehow crookedly, I quote: "Speed: 40 km + (46 mph, 74 km / h), 47 knots (54 mph, 87 km / h) sprint"
          47 knots is not 54 miles per hour. The knot is one mile per hour. Although they can also convert nautical miles into English or something?
          In any case, the ship is very fast. You won’t get away from him. So it will be "graze". We need an adequate answer. I didn’t know about him, thanks.