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Valorous 9 Company



Real история the feat of the Soviet paratroopers who defended the height of 3234

Exactly 30 years ago in the east of Afghanistan, the battle began for the height of the 3234 ridge of Jadran. The Russian man in the street has heard about the feat of the paratroopers of the 9 Company of the 345 Guards Parachute Regiment of the Airborne Forces according to the film The Ninth Company (2005) by Fyodor Bondarchuk. In reality, there were hundreds of similar battles during the war in Afghanistan (1979-1989). However, it was extremely rare that two Heroes of the Soviet Union appeared at once in one small unit.

Road control

About the feat 9-th company can not tell without history. Moscow had an extremely unreliable ally in Afghanistan. The weak motivation of the local pro-Soviet forces and their blatant illiteracy in military affairs led to an overload of the resources of the 40 Army stationed in the republic. As the Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel-General Boris Gromov, recalled, the war in Afghanistan taught the Soviet troops a lot, but in the early years of the campaign it became clear that it had become protracted and meaningless for the USSR.

“The failure to consolidate the results of operations in the first years led to the fact that we were forced to return to the same areas several times. The local Afghan leadership, despite the pro-Soviet sentiment, was not interested in the fact that the fighting was conducted by us with maximum efficiency. Only a few of them in the "cleared" counties tried to consolidate their power and lead. Obviously, they understood that sooner or later the war would end, and besides them, there would be no one to hold the answer, ”Gromov said.

At the end of 1987, Soviet troops were forced to launch Operation Highway to ensure the transfer of troops and equipment to the Afghan-Pakistani border. The situation that Gromov was talking about was repeated. The pro-government forces lost control over the eastern provinces, and the Mujahideen, receiving reinforcements from Pakistan, were going to establish a new center of resistance there.

In December, 1987, the Soviet troops occupied the dominant heights near the region’s key road Gardez - Khost. Control of highways was of great importance in the Afghan campaign. Dushmans actually fought a partisan war, arranging ambushes for convoys with military equipment and foodstuffs. In addition, the militants are perfectly oriented on the ground.

Gromov, for example, recognizes that in the mountains (especially at an altitude of over three thousand meters), where heavy machinery could not reach, the Mujahideen in their capabilities were actually compared with more advanced Soviet units.

“Every soldier, sergeant and officer went to the mountains, carrying on his shoulders 40-60 kg. With such a huge weight, and even under the scorching sun, not everyone can just climb to the top, not to mention taking up the fight after that. Therefore, the commanders sometimes looked, as they say, over the fact that some soldiers left heavy equipment in the barracks before going to the mountains - body armor and helmets. They took with themselves only the most necessary things, without which, as experience suggested, it is impossible to do, ”Gromov writes.

"The whole mountain was littered with their corpses"

The 9 company was armed with two machine guns: a large-caliber heavy machine gun NSV-12,7 "Cliff", which covered the main positions, and a Kalashnikov machine gun of 7,62-mm caliber. For several days, the paratroopers erected 3234 fortifications made of stones, with which the Afghan land is rich. Judging by eyewitness accounts of the lack of ammunition, the soldiers either did not prepare for intensive combat, or played that very “height factor” when it was simply impossible to lift everything necessary.

The first attack of dushmans began on 7 on January 1988 of the year, presumably in 15: 00. According to the positions of the Soviet troops, the Mujahideen fired about 300 rockets and mines. After the artillery barrage, the full-length militants went to the assault. The density of the battle was incredible, reaching 5-10 meters in some areas. According to the paratroopers, 200-300 fighters participated in each attack.

“The perfume has already reached the 20-25 meters. We fired at them almost point-blank. But we didn’t even suspect that they would crawl even closer to the distance of 5-6 meters and from there they would start throwing us with grenades ... Everywhere there was a lot of blood, apparently, they had big losses. All trees and stones were riddled, there is no visible living place. The shanks of the “frontiers” (grenade launchers) stuck out in the trees, ”recalled Sergeant Sergey Borisov.

The Mujahideen were counting on a fleeting battle and, apparently, were confident that the resistance of the “garrison” of 3234 height would be broken in the first two or three attacks. In reality, spooks made about a dozen attempts to take height using mortars and rocket launchers. The battle lasted until the early morning hours, and ended with the retreat of the militants.

In the Bondarchuk film, a different picture was drawn: the spooks broke through the defenses and, during hand-to-hand combat, practically took the height, but were scattered by the fire of unexpectedly appeared Soviet helicopters. According to the film, the paratroopers were blockaded and were deprived of outside help. They say that is why only one soldier miraculously survived from the "garrison". In fact, out of the 39 fighters of the 9 Company, six people died.

For such a dramatization of real events, Bondarchuk received criticism for nothing. The position of the paratroopers was indeed very difficult, but the artillery provided enormous support to the defenders. The D-30 towed howitzers and Acacia self-propelled rigs worked near the height of dushmans. The adjustment was conducted by senior lieutenant Ivan Babenko.

In addition, the Soviet artillery prevented the further transfer of the Mujahideen from Pakistan, which actually attacked the Soviet soldiers. Calculations of the Grad and Hurricane multiple launch rocket systems destroyed clusters of enemy personnel and several Pakistani helicopters.

However, even with the support of artillery, the "garrison" could not survive without the arrival of reinforcements. On the night of January 8, four small groups of reconnaissance troops and fellow paratroopers broke through to the defenders of altitude.

“In 23: 10, the fifth, one of the most violent attacks on height, began. Using dead spaces, trees, under dense fire, dushmans approached the slopes of height from three directions. Including - from the established minefield. The forward detachments of suicide bombers made passes in it. According to their dead bodies, the rebels managed to get close to the distance of 50 meters, and in some areas - to the throw of a grenade, ”- said in the political report.

“In the morning, the whole mountain was littered with their corpses ... If only one or two attacks, and the end, we would not exist. There was practically no ammunition left: they threw all the grenades and even threw stones ... We dragged our dead and wounded into one pile without understanding. I remember how, in the morning, in the intervals between attacks, we, the surviving boys, envied the dead ... They were no longer scary, they would not be killed any more and would not be taken prisoner ... ", said Komsomolskaya the truth "Sergeant Vladimir Schigolev.

"Heavy machine-gun fire"

An invaluable contribution to the defense of heights was made by the calculation of the cliff machine gun, which included junior sergeant Vyacheslav Alexandrov and private Andrei Melnikov. Both were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously. The professionalism and courage of the machine-gunners did not allow the dukhmen to step over the fortifications.

“Squalling machine gun fire met the opponent of the guard junior sergeant (Vyacheslav) Alexandrov, whose decisive actions enabled his comrades to get out of the shelling and take more comfortable positions. Vyacheslav ordered his two assistants to withdraw and called the fire on himself. He shot until his machine gun, pierced by bullets, was not stuck, ”the text indicates in the text of the political report.

On the website of the project “Heroes of the country” about the feat of Melnikov, the following is said: “By targeting fire with a frequent change of position, Andrei Melnikov for a long time managed to repel the numerous attacks of the enemy. When the machine gun failed, the wounded Soviet soldier managed to throw a grenade into the thick of the militants, but he himself also died from the rupture of an enemy mine. ” According to Borisov’s memoirs, after the battle, “a piece of scrap metal” remained from the “Cliff”.

***

From reliable sources it follows that the successful defense of the height of the 3234 was ensured thanks to the professionalism and courage of the Soviet soldiers. At six dead paratroopers had at least dozens of dead dushmans. The “garrison” did not leave heights (and could not leave) to their fate. The events described in the Bondarchuk film do not reflect the real picture, although the director no doubt emphasized the heroism of the Soviet soldiers.

7-8 January 1988, the height of 3234 was defended by officers: Ivan Babenko, Victor Gagarin, Vitaly Matruk, Sergey Rozhkov, Sergey Tkachev, warrant officer Vasily Kozlov.

Sergeants and privates: Vyacheslav Alexandrov, Sergey Bobko, Sergey Borisov, Vladimir Borisov, Vladimir Verigin, Andrei Demin, Rustam Karimov, Arkady Kopyrin, Vladimir Krishtopenko, Anatoly Kuznetsov, Andrei Kuznetsov, Sergey Korovin, Sergey Lasch, Andrei Melnikov, Zurab Menteshashvili, Nurmatmat Nurmatmatshmat, Nurmat Kuznetsov, Sergei Korovin Muradov, Andrei Medvedev, Nikolai Ognev, Sergei Obedkov, Viktor Peredelsky, Sergei Puzhaev, Yuri Salamakha, Yuri Safronov, Nikolai Suhoguzov, Igor Tikhonenko, Pavel Trutnev, Vladimir Schigolev, Andrei Fedotov, Oleg Fedoronko, Nikolai Fadin, Andrei Tsvetkov and E Jatsuk genius.

Vyacheslav Alexandrov, Vladimir Krishtopenko, Anatoly Kuznetsov, Andrei Melnikov, Andrei Fedotov, Andrei Tsvetkov (died in hospital) died in death of the brave. All 39 High defenders were awarded the Order of the Red Banner and the Red Star. Alexandrov and Melnikov are posthumously awarded the golden stars of the Hero of the Soviet Union.
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  1. infantry76
    infantry76 13 January 2018 09: 21
    +1
    This video is about this company.
    Source: iz.ru/692297/video/12-boev-deviatoi-roty
    1. Cat
      Cat 13 January 2018 10: 17
      10
      Many thanks to the author for the article!
      According to the film, for all the migons of Bondarchuk’s work, there is one undeniable plus. The young generation learns about the feat of our soldiers, and there everything already depends on the desires and hobbies. Either the young man will put a notch in his memory that, in addition to Logan and Captain America, there are his own Avangans, or he will go ahead with a book or a bar. In the first case, after a long time, he will write his article on the 9th company, and in the second he will put on epaulettes and become the defender of the Fatherland.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 13 January 2018 17: 05
        +4
        In addition to the minuses in the movie clipmaker Bondarchuk Jr. there is nothing at all. Let the youth watch 28 panfilovtsev.
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 15 January 2018 11: 46
          +3
          28 Panfilov’s men are an unusually good film, like the 9th company it can certainly be criticized historically, but it’s better than those weary of the sun. Let the youth of patriotism be recruited.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 13 January 2018 17: 41
        13
        "The younger generation will learn about the feat of our soldiers, and everything there already depends on the desires and hobbies."
        Vladislav, what kind of feat of our soldiers will we learn from this film? About the exploit of "Snow White", serving a dozen soldiers? The fact that in the Soviet army, the machine gunner, "thief, ensign", gives a PC with a crooked barrel? The fact that the boys, the Soviet government, abandoned to die, which was not in reality? The younger generation should watch IT under the slogan "they wanted to be loved" from the movie "Rambo"?
        No, Vladislav, no movie is better than that. In my opinion, Bondarchuk Jr. killed his father, a brilliant director, who shot, inter alia, "They Fought for the Homeland." Disgraced the name. Indeed, in the Russian tradition, we all have a middle name. So that people around know who the father is of this or that cooper.
        1. Cat
          Cat 13 January 2018 20: 42
          +2
          Doctor I do not know what to answer you? Perhaps already professional deformation.
          Somehow more than two decades in uniform washed off the bright Hollywood slogans, the charm of snow white and much more. As for ensign, he is also a "rear rat" in Africa, I just keep silent about the crooked machine gun - did you see the "crooked Makarov Pistol"? I’ll just add - prapory, because I saw it. The bosses? Yes, compared with him, ensign - darling !!!
          In the film, I reflected one thing, that the guys, contrary to EVERYTHING, have fulfilled their DUTY TO THE HOMELAND.
          R.s. Over the course of my life, I have been filled with stupid orders, more than once my boss "hit me in the back", you could always slam the door and leave. But it always stopped - who besides you! Well, somewhere like that.
          Perhaps the Doctor you diagnose me and put and write an enema!
          Best regards, Yours!
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 15 January 2018 02: 50
            +4
            Vladislav, we are talking about a film, not about the life of the Soviet army. About the movie. I heard that I also heard about snow white hiding in fireplaces, and about ensigns, and even saw laughing some of them. In my opinion, cinema is cinema. If the goal is to show courage and heroism, then, you can write a script for this article. If the goal is to do something in between the Platoon and the Apocalypse Today, then you get this. Generally by the creativity of Bondarchuk Jr., it is noticeable who his teacher is. And this is clearly not a father.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 15 January 2018 03: 11
              +3
              Perhaps the Doctor you diagnose me and put and write an enema!
              ps A joke, once causes laughter, repeated, a smile, uttered a third time, perplexity.
  2. Blue cop
    Blue cop 13 January 2018 10: 03
    18
    Nobody except them!
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 13 January 2018 10: 09
    12
    The events described in the Bondarchuk film do not reflect the real picture
    ... Yes, he has all the films like that ... Not reflecting the real picture ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 13 January 2018 10: 26
      +3
      hi
      Quote: parusnik
      ... Yes, he has all the films like that ... Not reflecting the real picture ...

      The influence of Hollywood and the West.
      1. odometer
        odometer 15 January 2018 04: 02
        +1
        Yes. If you look closely tracing paper from the "All-metal shell."
  4. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 13 January 2018 12: 01
    +2
    Glory and Remembrance!
  5. Bredovich705
    Bredovich705 13 January 2018 15: 25
    +4
    Bondarchuk would have more truth and no price! But babosy is more important, that’s how he shoots off the fuck for the fuck! 9th company is eternal glory!
  6. Unbearable
    Unbearable 13 January 2018 15: 47
    +2
    There is another side, unpleasant. "Spirits" their combat attacks on the columns of the SA and not only filmed on video cameras. It’s especially sad to watch footage when dushmans just begin shelling the convoy and the SA military immediately drop their weapons, raise their hands and run to surrender to them. There were enough such cases. Videos about this in the West were used for propaganda purposes against the USSR. Now on the Internet you can find about this video. The real military must fight “heroically”. If someone "bravely" does not want or does not know how to fight, then this is not the place in the army. Such bastards under others and "surrender" all in the first case ...
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 January 2018 17: 03
      +3
      It, of course, can be anything in a war. But why did a cameraman suddenly appear in this place? Do you have the feeling that this film is staged?
      1. Walking
        Walking 13 January 2018 19: 29
        +2
        Not any productions, the Afghans wore cameras specifically to report to the leadership.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 13 January 2018 20: 28
          +5
          Not any productions, the Afghans wore cameras specifically to report to the leadership.

          The most famous film in the West is supposedly a "documentary" about a fight for height. Weapons and blank cartridges were handed out to our captive fighters, and dushmans went on the attack. After the "battle", the survivors were given medical assistance to show the humanism of the militants.
          Don’t be naive. The information war did not start yesterday.
        2. not main
          not main 13 January 2018 23: 24
          +3
          Quote: Hiking
          Not any productions, the Afghans wore cameras specifically to report to the leadership.

          And is it in the 80s? Yes, at that time the camcorder was like a suitcase and weighed accordingly!
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 14 January 2018 17: 41
            0
            Yes, go-pro cameras were still very far away.
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 13 January 2018 20: 31
      +6
      It’s especially sad to watch shots when dushmans just begin shelling the columns and the SA military immediately drop their weapons, raise their hands and run to surrender to them

      Can you imagine that? Under fire they jump out of cars and run under machine guns with their hands up?
      I remember Sakharov, too, told fables that our helicopter pilots would shoot their own so that they would not be captured.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 13 January 2018 23: 50
        +3
        Quote: glory1974
        I remember Sakharov, too, told fables that our helicopter pilots would shoot their own so that they would not be captured.

        well, the helicopter pilots shot their own, in the sense of downed and surviving helicopters, so that the spirits would not have gotten, and the crews would have saved or the bodies taken out, and that would have shot their fellow soldiers. Do not make up.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 14 January 2018 01: 45
          +3
          This was invented by Sakharov and first voiced in the Canadian newspaper Citizen, then, at the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, he squealed and screamed, as it was when the Afghan deputy Chervonopissky asked him where he got it from.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 14 January 2018 08: 52
            +2
            Quote: Aviator_
            This was invented by Sakharov and first voiced in the Canadian newspaper Citizen

            they shot their own people, it doesn’t mean people, they shot helicopters, the crew, if they didn’t die, were taken out almost always, regardless of the losses. Even the bodies of the dead were not left.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 14 January 2018 09: 30
              +4
              shot their own, it does not mean people

              I agree with you. But Sakharov claimed that it was his soldiers who were shot. Here I agree with Aviator. After such statements, I have no respect for Sakharov left.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 14 January 2018 10: 27
                +1
                Quote: glory1974
                they shot precisely their military personnel.

                can you give a link to these words?
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 14 January 2018 12: 36
                  +2
                  Initially, a translation of Sakharov’s interview with a Canadian newspaper was published in Komsomolskaya Pravda at the end of the 80’s (probably the 89 year), a polemic with Chervonopisky (disabled, lost both legs in Afghanistan, until recently was chairman of the Afghan Afghans Council) at a meeting of the People’s Congress deputies of the USSR, in Izvestia of that time, you yourself google it somehow here, I climb on the mezzanine and do a scan from the newspaper frankly laziness.
                2. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 14 January 2018 19: 03
                  +2
                  Here is a quote from Komsomolskaya Pravda from 2 March 1989: "The other day the editorial office received a copy of the Canadian newspaper Ottawa Citizen, which published a report on the press conference of Academician A. Sakharov and his wife E. Bonner in Canada. among other things, it was stated that during the hostilities in Afghanistan, Soviet helicopters repeatedly opened fire on surrounded Soviet soldiers in order to prevent their surrender of the Video Captures. Komsomolskaya Pravda considered it of fundamental importance to get comprehensive . Neniya The first question on the phone during the last night we were trying to find it in the Canada Late in the evening we called in Boston..:
                  - Does the information of the Canadian newspaper on the content of your speech at the press conference correspond to reality.

                  - .. I really recalled the facts when Soviet helicopters shot Soviet soldiers surrounded by them so that they could not surrender. These facts, judging by the testimonies of witnesses, took place. I was based on the evidence that I knew.

                  - How do you know the facts of the destruction of the surrounded Soviet soldiers? Do you have any evidence?

                  - I was based on reports from the Western press and radio stations. Unfortunately, I can’t give specific references to those people who can confirm this to the participants in the war. This statement is based on testimony, that’s all I can say.

                  you can google yourself on the network
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 14 January 2018 20: 09
                    +1
                    [quote = glory1974] [quote] Here is a quote from Komsomolskaya Pravda, March 2, 1989: [/ quote]
                    it’s good that you can read, you still have to learn to comprehend what you read.
                    [quote = glory1974] - How do you know the facts of the destruction of surrounded Soviet soldiers? Do you have any evidence?
                    - I was based on reports from the Western press and radio stations. [/ quote] that is, Sakharov only conveyed what he heard from their media sources. The Soviet people, fooled by ideologists from the Central Committee of the CPSU, also carried all nonsense. For example, about the same Afghanistan and the introduction of our troops there, supposedly the paratroopers who first landed there "heard the noise of the engines of flying NATO planes" that if it weren’t for us, "the United States would have placed rockets there" and other nonsense. But no one is blaming us for this nonsense.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 14 January 2018 22: 48
                      +2
                      But were the Americans "white and fluffy, and wouldn’t start placing rockets in Afghanistan? Did you want to check this in 1979, considering that we are not entitled to establish a government loyal to us in the country bordering the USSR?
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 15 January 2018 05: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        And what, the Americans were "white and fluffy, and would not have placed rockets in Afghanistan?"

                        At that time, the Americans had at hand Turkey and Pakistan, and where are their missiles? We entered Afghanistan without rockets and could survive there for barely 10 years, amers would have been kicked out just like us, despite the fluffiness and white color.
                    2. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 15 January 2018 12: 08
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, Sakharov not only conveyed what he heard in the Western press, but also made this statement at a meeting of people's deputies, after which many newspapers printed his nonsense.
                      Therefore, the claim is specifically to Sakharov.
                3. sibiryouk
                  sibiryouk 15 January 2018 16: 13
                  +1
                  I perfectly remember this meeting of the USSR Armed Forces. And that's exactly what Sakharov said referring to foreign sources. Then several Afghans deputies made refutations, and then a whole wave in the press rose against Sakharov’s statement. It seems to me that he already just survived from the mind! I also wanted to draw attention to myself with this statement, and they began to quickly forget it, like the politics of a democratic wave!
                4. karabas86
                  karabas86 17 January 2018 21: 54
                  0
                  And how old are you that you have not heard this, it is unlikely that this video is on y-tube. But those older ones themselves have heard and are not yet suffering from insanity.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 14 January 2018 12: 30
              +2
              I’m telling you about a specific case with the delirium of the anti-adviser Sakharov, the laureate of the same Peace prize as the bald Gorbi, but I don’t understand what I’m talking about here. You would also mention the "friendly fire", which has always been, is and will be mentioned.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 14 January 2018 20: 10
                +1
                Quote: Aviator_
                I tell you about a specific case with delirium

                see the comment above about comprehending what was read.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 14 January 2018 22: 50
                  +2
                  I correctly understood you that you consider the thesis about the deployment of American troops in Afghanistan as nonsense, like Sakharovsky?
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 15 January 2018 05: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Do you think the thesis about the deployment of American troops in Afghanistan is nonsense

                    Yes, of course.
  7. Moscow landing
    Moscow landing 13 January 2018 18: 55
    +1
    It remains unexplained, why was it so fierce to defend this height? Locals are not eager to fight, so send Russian vanes.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 14 January 2018 08: 54
      +2
      Quote: Moscow landing
      It remains unexplained, why was it so fierce to defend this height?

      From this height, the road, along which our columns went, was shot, to give such an important height to the hands of the locals - the top of madness.
      Quote: Moscow landing
      Remained unexplained

      What X did we enter there for?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 14 January 2018 12: 54
        +4
        We entered Afghanistan so that there were no American bases there. If war is inevitable, then it must be waged on foreign territory, and not on your own. War was already inevitable then. Another thing is that the political solution to the Afghan issue dragged on - only by the middle of the 80's was an adequate leader found - Najibullah - (the President of the Republic of Armenia from 1986 to 1992) who held all the "spirits" by the caches where our troops drove them. Without the presence of Soviet troops, he held out for 3 of the year, but the cessation of assistance from the USSR from 1 of January to 1992 of the year (thanks to the Americans of the Obkom drunk Yeltsin) put an end to Russia's entire policy in Central Asia. In a recent interview with The New York Times, Najibullah said: "If fundamentalism prevails in Afghanistan, the war will last for many years, and the country will become the center of the world smuggling of drugs and terrorism." In 1996, he was killed by the Taliban who captured Kabul. Well, now it’s for the same “X” that we are fucking thugs in Syria, and we’re doing it right.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 14 January 2018 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          We entered Afghanistan so that there were no American bases there.

          As they entered and left, having lost more than 14 thousand, and now the Americans are there, so what? Enough of this communist nonsense to carry, not those times.
          Quote: Aviator_
          Another thing is that the political solution to the Afghan issue dragged on - only by the mid-80s was an adequate leader found - Najibullah
          which lasted a little more than two years, a good leader))) another thing is that the same thing happened, what is happening now in the countries of the Arab world after US intervention, they climb there with their democracy (as we do with socialism), and then barely carry their feet, leaving behind a tangle of contradictions and blooming terrorism. If we had not climbed into Afghanistan, it would have remained a quiet feudal country, friendly to Russia, by the way. Who knows, maybe the USSR would not have collapsed.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 14 January 2018 22: 54
            +2
            Sorry, I am not a member of this godly office, which has become the party of power in the 70 years of the last century. Yes, and didn’t. If for you the American "democracy" and socialism are phenomena of the same order, then you would have to censor, there are many anti-advisers.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 15 January 2018 05: 54
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              If for you American "democracy" and socialism are phenomena of the same order

              you somehow hardly grasp the meaning of what you read, I did not compare socialism and democracy, these are too different things, I wrote about one method of planting them
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 15 January 2018 08: 58
                +2
                The methods of planting the right neighbors at the borders at all times are the same, starting with the primitive communal system
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 15 January 2018 17: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  the necessary neighbors at the borders at all times are the same, starting with the primitive communal system

                  borders ... with a primitive communal system .... what
                  and what was bad Afghanistan as a neighbor at the time that it had to be planted, and now we do not know how to close it, after this planting? Even the Americans cannot put things in order there.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 15 January 2018 23: 29
                    +1
                    They can’t restore order in many places, in Libya, for example, and in Afghanistan too. Here's the shit at someone else's borders to throw - in this they are masters. Who would do such a thing at the borders? And Afghanistan in the 1979 year was already doomed to external intervention. And the solution to the Afghan problem was found in 1986 with the advent of Najibullah. Only the betrayal of EBN organized the current situation.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 16 January 2018 18: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      And the solution to the Afghan problem was found in 1986 with the advent of Najibullah.

                      yeah, found, why didn’t it dare?
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      Only the betrayal of EBN organized the current situation.

                      Do you think that it was still necessary to pump money into Afghanistan? Yeah ...
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      And Afghanistan in 1979 was already doomed to external intervention.

                      and who would intervene there, for example?
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 16 January 2018 19: 27
                        +1
                        But who is the one who then intervened: Pakistan with American money, Iran and China with their own - that’s all. Their instructors were in huge numbers there.
  8. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 15 January 2018 23: 32
    0
    P. S. And what, the border between the tribes is a recent invention?
  9. Normal ok
    Normal ok 16 January 2018 15: 52
    +1
    I am personally offended that the decisive role of artillery in this battle is not reflected. Although it is clear that to dramatize the situation. Who cares, then more on this is shown in the program "Stars".
    https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/content/201
    509181301-qpj0.htm / 201604131444-rghr.htm
  10. verner1967
    verner1967 17 January 2018 05: 38
    +1
    Quote: Aviator_
    But who is the one who then intervened: Pakistan with American money, Iran and China

    Do not confuse cause and effect, if the USSR didn’t get in there, the above would not have climbed
  11. karabas86
    karabas86 17 January 2018 21: 50
    0
    Fedya of one field is a berry with a lord, and you don’t see another spit in the USSR