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Polish subcommittee: Internal explosions occurred on board the Tu-154 in 2010

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A spokeswoman for the next Polish subcommittee to investigate the causes of the crash of the Tu-154 near Smolensk Martha Palenek introduced a new batch of statements about the results of the investigation. As previously announced by the Minister of Defense of Poland (now former) Antoni Macerevich, the subcommission will report on the "explosion on board." And Palenque made such a statement.


The statement is provided by the RMF 24 Information Service:
International expert Frank Taylor works in our subcommittee. He confirms that the wing of the presidential airliner that crashed in Smolensk was destroyed as a result of an internal explosion. Frank Taylor notes that there were at least three sources of explosion on board: in the wing of the Tu-154, in the slot and in the central part of the fuselage. This was confirmed by the analysis of the fall of the aircraft, and more precisely, the option of hitting the door against the ground. Birch had no primary influence on the aircraft.


Polish subcommittee: Internal explosions occurred on board the Tu-154 in 2010


That is, the expert came to his conclusion on the dynamics of the impact of the door?

The website of the Polish Ministry of Defense announces that members of the subcommission presented key findings from the technical report.

If we assume that the conclusions of the subcommission with the participation of a person with a far from Polish name have at least some percentage of the truth, then there are questions about what could have exploded in the wing of an airplane? And even if we assume that the explosions were (and even if not only in the wing of the Tu-154), then there are even more questions to those who prepared the flight from Poland to Smolensk. By the way, the brother of the deceased president Lech Kaczynski, Yaroslav, still could not explain to the press why he did not find himself in the spring of 2010 of the year on that fateful day aboard No.1 of the Polish Air Force.
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  1. Kent0001
    Kent0001 10 January 2018 19: 55
    25
    Yes, do not care what happened inside of them exploded, because it exploded. Us army.
    1. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 10 January 2018 20: 01
      +6
      They can’t calm down, they are satisfied with all the dances on bones
      1. Vanin
        Vanin 10 January 2018 20: 15
        13
        Quote: Shura Perm
        They can’t calm down, they are satisfied with all the dances on bones

        Matsarevich seems to have been removed, but his subordinates remained ..? Or a new round of fading hysteria ...
        Russia is silent and does the right thing, it’s a diagnosis ..
        In Smolensk, many enemies of Russia stumbled! So let them howl ..
        1. Going
          Going 10 January 2018 20: 19
          13
          It’s not childish in all of them, soon the whole world will laugh.
          1. Monos
            Monos 10 January 2018 20: 40
            23
            Hi victor hi
            It seems that soon Lehu will be exhumed again.
            1. Going
              Going 10 January 2018 20: 45
              +6
              Greetings Teska! hi I feel sorry for them humanly and I liked the question, why didn't Kochinsky’s brother fly, although he was on the lists?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 10 January 2018 21: 00
                15
                By the way, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, Yaroslav still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 on that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1.
                stop And from this question, as an answer, just another one arises - a chic-shocking - version!
                Namely, that Kaczynski’s living brother “killed” - “liquidated” - his brother who died near Smolensk with his entire Co. in a rigged plane crash! What for? Well, probably, in order to seize power in Poland yourself ?!
                This version certainly would have to be checked !!! yes
                1. proletarian
                  proletarian 11 January 2018 00: 07
                  +2
                  Now the Polish investigation will have to figure out whom and how Jaroslav Kaczynski hired to kill his own brother and destroy the Polish leadership?
                  I believe that with an adequate investigation, Yarik expects an electric chair, which is specially brought for him from the United States.
                  1. Dalailama
                    Dalailama 11 January 2018 04: 19
                    +1
                    These sounds were decoded for a long time, champagne was opened there and then the main one, as usual, rushed into the cockpit with a glass, to demand a landing.
                    1. dik-nsk
                      dik-nsk 11 January 2018 05: 53
                      +2
                      what could explode in the wing of an airplane?
                      fart it burst at the Polish delegation))
                      1. Dalailama
                        Dalailama 11 January 2018 06: 11
                        +1
                        nothing, just touched the birch
                        not lucky them lately with trees
                2. a housewife
                  a housewife 11 January 2018 09: 29
                  +1
                  Well, I don’t think ... Kill a brother? Some kind of Middle Ages. Not everything that begs is true. Someone else has benefited.
              2. figwam
                figwam 10 January 2018 23: 41
                +3
                Going

                Because the brother wanted to take power and he did it.
            2. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 20: 48
              +9
              Victor, I categorically welcome! hi drinks
              Quote: Monos
              It seems that soon Lehu will be exhumed again.

              They wouldn’t have their own brains to exhume, but the trouble is that they don’t remember where they buried and whether he was at all. crying
              1. Going
                Going 10 January 2018 21: 39
                +5
                Pasha will not help, there is only a complete amputation of the head.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 21: 45
                  +4
                  Yes, I don’t even know what will help them, Vitya. I will not even offer logs to swallow the file and drink it with yad - stopudovo will not help. lol
                  1. Going
                    Going 10 January 2018 21: 52
                    +3
                    It is better to ski in the rectum and cover with chopk, let them be marked.
                  2. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 10 January 2018 22: 20
                    +5
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Yes, I don’t even know what will help them, Vitya. I will not even offer logs to swallow the file and drink it with yad - stopudovo will not help. lol

                    The next and final section of Pshekia will help them !!! wassat wink yes yes laughing laughing laughing
            3. 210ox
              210ox 10 January 2018 20: 48
              +5
              Maybe it wasn’t worth burying him either .. Open the "mausoleum of logs of logs" and regularly dig into the corpses ...
              Quote: Monos
              Hi victor hi
              It seems that soon Lehu will be exhumed again.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 10
                +2
                Quote: 210ox
                Maybe it wasn’t worth burying him either .. Open the "mausoleum of logs of logs" and regularly dig into the corpses ...

                and medical students practice lol
                1. Going
                  Going 10 January 2018 22: 03
                  +6
                  More to politicians is the science and edification that awaits their bodies in the future. lol
                2. Cetron
                  Cetron 11 January 2018 01: 02
                  +1
                  He is not buried! In Krakow, the castle has a mausoleum. Marble coffin on a pedestal. I was there, I saw.
            4. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 10 January 2018 21: 21
              +5
              Quote: Monos
              Hi victor
              It seems that soon Lehu will be exhumed again.

              No ... they say it lies in the crypt ... it’s more convenient because ... I opened the lid and ... Hello, Lech ..
            5. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 10 January 2018 22: 36
              +9
              Victor, hi ! With all the past and coming!
              Quote: Monos
              It seems that soon Lehu will be exhumed again.
              Those Psheks were already sickened by their commissions and sub-commissions of commissions .... They would immediately and clearly say - PERSONALLY Vladimir Vladimirich crawled in a Plastun way and planted a three-hundred-kilogram bomb on the plane of the President of Poland for the sole purpose of declaring war on Poland, conquering freedom-loving and non-resentful pscheks and restore the monument to Rokosovsky .....
              After such verbal diarrhea, is any Polish order put to me? Where to ask - at the Polish embassy?
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 10 January 2018 22: 39
                +2
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Where to ask - at the Polish embassy?

                in Ukrainian. they are now "friends" laughing
              2. ver_
                ver_ 11 January 2018 08: 28
                +1
                ... glory to you Lord - Chi shaw not on the way back, but not your own airfield * rammed * - you can’t even imagine Chi shulo ...
            6. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock 11 January 2018 05: 27
              +2
              was lech became a cake
          2. 210ox
            210ox 10 January 2018 20: 46
            +5
            We are laughing at them. And “the whole world” thanks to propaganda believes this nonsense.
            Quote: Going
            It’s not childish in all of them, soon the whole world will laugh.
            1. Going
              Going 10 January 2018 20: 48
              +6
              And "the whole world" thanks to propaganda believes this nonsense.


              I doubt even the average person would believe it.
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 10 January 2018 22: 50
              +8
              Quote: 210ox
              And "the whole world" thanks to propaganda believes this nonsense.

              You, Dmitry, do not even imagine how much "the whole world" believes this nonsense .....
              The other day, I accidentally came across an English-language "historical-political" site. I read ... Do not believe it, Dmitry - I read 15 minutes, then 45 minutes laughed. Photos (!!!!!) of soldiers of the Soviet Army storming Berlin with AK-47 in the hands of (!!!!!!!!!) Budapest-56 and in the hands of the Soviet tanker (already haha ​​dismantled from the Hollywood costume) RPG -7 (!!!!!)
              If I find the link, I’ll surely drop it. Neigh like horses will be all topvar .....
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 January 2018 21: 01
            +3
            Quote: Going
            soon the whole world will laugh.

            Nothing funny there.

            I don’t understand why in Russia they pay attention to this show. This is one of the elements of a fierce struggle between Euro-skeptics-conservatives and Euro-progressives. A big fight, involving a bunch of international players and no less a bunch of financiers.

            The Poles blame Russia and Putin (the habit is second nature), but only as an accomplice who covered up Tusk’s crime
            1. Going
              Going 10 January 2018 22: 05
              +3
              Nothing funny there.


              I agree, it looks very sad and depressing, but we have what we have ...
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 20: 53
          +5
          Quote: VANIN
          Matsarevich seems to have been removed, but his subordinates remained ..? Or a new round of fading hysteria ...

          Yes, Matsarevich just started the wheel, so it turned. spun around and stopped. bureaucracy, she and Africa bureaucracy lol
          1. Going
            Going 10 January 2018 22: 06
            +6
            This wheel will crush them all.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 10 January 2018 23: 07
              +8
              Quote: Going
              Matsarevich launched the wheel, so it spun. spun around and stopped.

              Quote: Going
              This wheel will crush them all.

              Forgot (who would say, but I'm afraid of moderators lol - again banned) as this wheel reached Berlin. My grandfather and my father drove him there. 20 himself gave over this wheel with more than one calendar. And I remember that during the Warsaw Pact both Hansa and Janeks sat silently and kept their filthy tongues in (again I'm afraid of the moderators).
              I will dress a parade with all medal orders and a grandson hand I’ll take to Ryazan, so that he don’t drop the WHEEL ... I am sure of my grandson - my grandfather, great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather will not be dishonored ....
      2. vlad66
        vlad66 10 January 2018 20: 23
        18
        Quote: Shura Perm
        By the way, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, Yaroslav still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 on that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1.

        Because he's a brother and screwed fellow
        1. Going
          Going 10 January 2018 20: 41
          +6
          This is how they create jobs. belay lol
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 January 2018 21: 44
        +3
        Quote: Shura Perm
        They can’t calm down, they are satisfied with all the dances on bones

        I’ll answer like that ...
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 10 January 2018 20: 02
      13
      On board served flasks and pea soup smile
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 10 January 2018 20: 48
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        On board served flasks and pea soup

        And washed down with a throat. Then they knocked out the emergency hatch, a grenade on the wing, a birch to meet, and the Russians were to blame. The latter is the most creative, the mainstream is simple. Russian birch. Is logical.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 10 January 2018 20: 29
      +5
      It turns out that the Poles, drunk, threw each other grenades on board the aircraft? belay
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 10 January 2018 20: 37
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        It turns out that the Poles, drunk, threw each other grenades on board the aircraft? belay

        Kachinsky martyr-terrorist, could not endure and exploded ahead of time.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 10 January 2018 22: 06
          +3
          It was they who flew to Russia with intervention !!!
          But, something went wrong, however, as is usually the case with interventions in Russia.
    4. zhekazs
      zhekazs 10 January 2018 20: 43
      +3
      Quote: Kent0001
      Yes, do not care what happened inside of them exploded

      That's right, spit. Case done, Kaczynski banged. And who - the birches prevented or his brother tried to rub him in the plane slipped him - it does not matter to us. It remains to wish to crash more often to such inadequacies. The world will be cleaner.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 10 January 2018 21: 46
        +1
        Well, as it were, one crashed - and the second Russophobe on this wave won the election ...
    5. demo
      demo 10 January 2018 20: 48
      +3
      The Poles vomited the brain.
      That blew the whole plane.
      And every Pole’s brain is tearing apart when he either talks about Russia or steps on its land.
      Here is such an ambiguous conclusion. And then IAC is tossed.
    6. maiman61
      maiman61 10 January 2018 20: 54
      +1
      Russophobian farts exploded!
    7. alexmach
      alexmach 10 January 2018 21: 35
      +1
      Well .. the next version in this vein will be to hit an anti-aircraft missile in it that caused these explosions.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 10 January 2018 22: 23
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        Well .. the next version in this vein will be to hit an anti-aircraft missile in it that caused these explosions.

        what what what who brought a rocket to them on board ??? recourse recourse recourse moreover, a few ... where did they look at the airport at the airport ??? !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    8. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 10 January 2018 21: 58
      0
      Their plane flew from Poland to Russian Smolensk. While the Poles flew to Smolensk, they made explosives, probably in order to greatly "bang". That "banged." Do not they ?!
    9. alex86
      alex86 10 January 2018 22: 15
      +1
      http://plf101.livejournal.com/ - если кого то вдруг интересует отчет, в котором, судя по всему, указаны обоснования выводов о взрыве (и не только). Правда, подозреваю, что здесь никого не интересует ничего, кроме как поляков обгадить.
      And to the question of who benefits from this: then Tusk was the prime minister, who by this time, as far as I remember, had already arrived. And ours could very well (with the assistance of the Polish side) try to give him such a gift in the hope that he would become president — ours don’t have brains — and he didn’t. In this report, by the way (since no one will read it), there are interesting thoughts that the landing lights were rearranged in order to bring the plane out of the lane, into the forest. Well and some more interesting things ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 10 January 2018 22: 35
        10
        Quote: alex86
        Well and some more interesting things ...

        To be honest, the report is full of "interesting things."
        Example:
        The above examples show that the host side had the technology, technical means and experience in the practical application of aerosol curtains over large areas. This fact makes it impossible to find out the cause of the fog. at the Severny airfield on April 10, 2010, before the arrival of the presidential plane of the Republic of Poland, since in the presence of malicious intent the receiving party had the opportunity and could produce a curtain of artificial fog in the absence of natural reasons for its occurrence

        Squirrel: I came (s)
        Don't you think that the above "conclusion" obviously implies "the presence of malicious intent on the receiving side"?
        It seems to me very much.
        And with this approach, you can "justify" anything. Paper, as we know, endures everything.
        1. alex86
          alex86 11 January 2018 19: 30
          0
          Since you have the least odious approach, I will express some doubt in one fact from the report: the board was undergoing repairs in Russia shortly before the disaster. Suppose ours made bookmarks. Did the Poles forget the 39th year? Didn't check anything? When accepting a board from an aircraft repair plant? Or were the bookmarks in cavities inaccessible during aerodrome maintenance? But is it still the presidential board - or have they planted their own? Notice, I am not saying that these statements are true. And another question - why don’t we give away the plane? We ourselves didn’t understand something or do we want to hide something?
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Do not you think that the above "conclusion" obviously implies "the presence of malicious intent on the host side"?
          - But doesn’t it seem to you that the reverse statement obviously implies the absence of malicious intent on the part of the host? Where should this come from? This is not for the beginning of a mutual dive, but simply for the assertion that we do not know the "intent of the receiving side."
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 11 January 2018 22: 54
            +5
            Quote: alex86
            why don’t we give the plane back?

            Should they?
            Quote: alex86
            Does the reverse statement obviously imply that there is no malicious intent on the part of the host? Where should this come from?

            Of the presumption of innocence wink
            Quote: alex86
            we do not know the "intent of the receiving party"

            You know ... there would be intent and bookmarks - they would have blown it up to 10000 where-a thread in an area inconvenient for research. Best of all - over the Belarusian Sea, of course laughing
            And then collect ... evidence.
            And to do it almost at the airport is the height of idiocy request
            How do you like such purely speculative constructions?
            1. alex86
              alex86 13 January 2018 20: 21
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Should they?
              - should
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Of the presumption of innocence
              - it is legal, but even yours wink shows that you have the same courtyard attitude to this as our president’s - like, "what can you prove" (excuse me)
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              it would have been blown up at 10000 where-a thread in an area uncomfortable for research.
              - and they would have received a clear terrorist attack with an investigation of the terrorist attack immediately, as well as "hid the leaf in the forest" - excessive reasons prevent finding the real one.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              the top of idiocy
              - either what I said earlier ("they hid the leaf in the forest"), or yes - idiocy - and we have problems with professionalism at all levels - neither steal nor guard ("what if it's a cunning professional?" - "Seventeen moments of spring ")
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 20: 46
                +5
                To begin with, I think about all this:
                1. All this fuss around the wreckage of an airplane with permanent by periodically exhuming its passengers, it is politicized through and through and has nothing to do with the search for truth.
                2. Debris is not transmitted for the same reason - having them, the Poles (and whether the Poles?) There certainly will "find" something, 102% confidence yes
                3. The report is written deliberately biased, as I have already indicated to you above. Sapienti sat.

                Quote: alex86
                and they would have received a clear terrorist attack with an investigation of the terrorist attack immediately, as well as "hid the leaf in the forest" - excess reasons make it difficult to find the real

                Nonsense.
                Nothing prevented us from waiting for the object to go somewhere "beyond the sea-hail" and to blow it up somewhere where it (the hawk) was deeper.
                No one will ever prove anything. But suspicions of bread are not smeared, which, incidentally, successfully shows a long-term investigation by the Poles of the incident in Smolensk.
                Quote: alex86
                you have the same courtyard attitude to this as our president

                Well, it's you in vain ...
                I’m just saying that a report claiming objectivity was written by a) people who were obviously inclined to accuse the Russian Federation and b) stupid people, because they could not even hide it.
                Add - or arrogant (but why would), and then "could not" is replaced by "did not consider it necessary."
                That's all, I left the “discussion”. Keep looking for the cat in the room. Poles to help you.
                1. alex86
                  alex86 13 January 2018 20: 49
                  0
                  .
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  That's all, I left the “discussion”.
                  - OK
      2. shura7782
        shura7782 10 January 2018 22: 53
        +1
        there are interesting thoughts that the landing lights were rearranged to bring the plane out of the lane, into the forest
        Cool! Are these your thoughts? They have not yet embarked on a boarding course and a gissad. Smoke bombs made a minimum of weather. All this is nonsense. They just have no luck. It happens. If such a fate is destined, then it would be better for them not with us.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 January 2018 23: 43
          +7
          Quote: shura7782
          Are these your thoughts?

          No, these are thoughts from the report. The link is there.
          Follow the link, download PDF (8.3 mega, 100+ pages), read ...
          Then you can try to write something wink
          1. shura7782
            shura7782 10 January 2018 23: 50
            +1
            Thank you Golovan Jack. I will get acquainted. There is nothing to write. Just words are not enough.
      3. flicker
        flicker 11 January 2018 00: 14
        +6
        Well, actually they were offered a backup airport, they could turn around and the story would have a different continuation ...
        so the Poles just put a shadow on the fence
      4. LSA57
        LSA57 11 January 2018 01: 26
        +5
        Quote: alex86
        that the landing lights were rearranged so that the aircraft would not be led out of the lane, into the forest.

        what lights ??? he was generally forbidden to land !!!!! and the crew was not going to board !!! it was made by an outsider who entered the cockpit !!!!! all this is proven. but in that report everything is speculation !!! not one fact !!! by the way, in front of them the Yak-40 sat down. did you manage to move the lights ???
        1. alex86
          alex86 11 January 2018 19: 19
          0
          Quote: LSA57
          what lights ???
          - landing
          Quote: LSA57
          he was generally forbidden to land !!!!!
          - No
          Quote: LSA57
          the crew was not going to board !!!
          - was going to
          Quote: LSA57
          it was made by an outsider who entered the cockpit !!!!!
          - No
          Quote: LSA57
          all this is proven.
          - No
          Quote: LSA57
          but in that report everything is speculation !!!
          - No
          Quote: LSA57
          not one fact !!!
          - there are some facts, try to read
          Quote: LSA57
          by the way, in front of them the Yak-40 sat down. did you manage to move the lights ???
          - Yes. read the report
          ??? and !!!! - this is not an argument.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 11 January 2018 19: 46
            +1
            Quote: alex86
            - Yes. read the report

            what report ????? this is not a report, this is a complete falsification !!!! before that it was 2 !!!! commission. specialists !!! not charlatans who, after 8 years by the door to determine the explosion in the wing))))) it is necessary to think that the landing lights moved)))))))))))) stoned)))))))))
            1. alex86
              alex86 11 January 2018 20: 53
              +1
              PLF101.livejournal.com is for those who do not just chat about what they are ... bad, but think with their own brains and not strangers. The investigation is long, more than 100 pages. I quote only:
              4.1 Conclusions
              Given that during official investigations by the IAC and
              Miller’s commissions were not taken into account or were hidden, distorted and / or incorrect
              The following facts and circumstances of the disaster are presented,
              • power-off of the ARC and RMI by the crew after the third turn;
              • inoperability of standard drive radio stations BPRM and DPRM
              Severny airdrome during the landing approach Tu-154M b / n101;
              • inoperability of the standard airfield of the Severny aerodrome during execution
              approach Tu-154M b / n101;
              • inoperability of at least 40% of the groups of lights of a standard MTR aerodrome
              "Severny" during the landing approach Tu-154M b / n101;
              104
              • Operation at the Severny aerodrome of an emergency landing system and
              equipment receiving information about flight parameters from the airborne
              the defendant of the aircraft, during the landing approach Tu-154M b / n101;
              • receipt by the crew before the flight of a card with a different approach scheme
              the regular scheme of approach of the Severny airdrome;
              • falsification of gyromagnetic course values ​​read from the carrier
              parametric recorder;
              • incorrect reconstruction of the track at the flight stage after passing
              navigation point ASKIL;
              • falsification of airspeed read from media
              parametric recorder;
              • incorrect representation of the values ​​of the vertical velocity of descent along the glide path;
              • misconception of the landing configuration of wing mechanization;
              • absence at the scene of a trace on the surface from a bow stroke
              fuselage;
              • different release angles of the left and right inner flaps;
              • no damage to the crowns of trees growing on the left at the heading
              immediately after the birch;
              • the nature of the damage to the left OCHK and the condition of the spar fragment No. 1 s
              slat transmission shaft fragment;
              • incorrect interpretation of TAWS signaling;
              • inconsistency of the TAWS log data with the alert generation algorithm;
              • the absence of a roll until the TAWS # 38 alert;
              • reason for the appearance of alert TAWS # 38;
              • angular roll speed after the appearance of alert TAWS # 38;
              • difference between barometric and radio altimeter readings at the time of occurrence
              alert TAWS # 38;
              • change of FMS # 1 flight plan by the navigator after the third turn;
              • barometric altitude values ​​at the moment of power failure FMS,
              measured by both the VBE-SVS of the commander and the VBE-SVS of the co-pilot,
              corresponding to the aircraft being below surface level;
              • landing approach by Tu-154M b / n101 crew along the glide path with UNG 3 ° 10 ';
              • presence at the Severny airdrome during the approach to Tu-
              154M b / n 101 three markers with the location of the Outer Marker and Middle Marker on
              removal of four and half a mile from the end, respectively;
              • distribution by the commander of responsibilities for voicing flight altitude during
              glide path descent between navigator and co-pilot;
              • coordination by the co-pilot with the PIC of the procedure for announcing the height for removal;
              • attempts by the crew to edit the FMS # 2 flight plan;
              • repeated fulfillment by the crew of the control card “After switching to pressure
              airdrome ";
              • Reinstallation by the crew of setters of radio altimeters;
              • incorrect interpretation of the actions of the PIC and the crew at the final stage of reduction
              glide path;
              • misconception of hydraulic fracturing actions at the final stage of reduction in
              glide path;
              • misconception of using autopilot when descending along a glide path
              it should be recognized that the IAC and the Miller Commission investigations
              unscrupulous and unreliable.
              ...........................................
              4.2 Reasons
              Based on the analysis presented in this report, the reasons
              the Tu-154m wreck b / n101 April 10, 2010 today are presented
              following:
              • The reason for premature reduction to a geometric height of 10-15m per
              a distance of ~ 1100m from the end of the runway26 of the Severny aerodrome was the setting
              instrumental glide path deployed at the aerodrome of the TLS landing system,
              using which the crew automatically logged onto
              landing. For the disorientation of the crew at VLOOKUP = 60m false
              light landmarks.
              • The reason for the destruction of the aircraft and the death of people was the sequence
              explosions leading to the complete destruction of the structure of the aircraft in the air
              1. flicker
                flicker 12 January 2018 13: 10
                +4
                Why is it so complicated? Ask the wrong glide path, false landmarks ... and at the same time it exploded in the air?
                Or take off the cross, or put on your underpants
                1. alex86
                  alex86 13 January 2018 20: 11
                  0
                  About
                  Quote: flicker
                  exploded in the air
                  - have questions. The main one - the board was being serviced at an aircraft repair plant in Russia shortly before the crash. If our bookmark was made, then the question is - have the Poles really not checked? Or were the bookmarks in places inaccessible during aerodrome maintenance - judging by your shoulder straps, you can say something - are there cavities in the wings and the caisson (excuse me if unprofessional) where you can make bookmarks and not notice them? If bookmarks have already been made in Poland - what is the level of training for the aerodrome technicians to do - could they?
                  And as for reinsurance - redundancy of factors - perhaps they acted for sure. They were afraid that the crew’s training (if they read, they’ve got quite a decent raid) would not allow them to flood the board without an explosion. They blew up so that they would not find unexploded explosive devices. The question is who? Versions: ours wanted to change Kaczynski to Tusk (there was a chance that he would become president); someone in Poland wanted the same — Tusk’s supporters for the same purpose, or aggravation of relations between Poland and Russia (by the way, it’s possible that ours acted for the same purpose).
                  1. flicker
                    flicker 14 January 2018 14: 38
                    +2
                    - have questions

                    Well, here is 2 x 2 = 4. But someone can argue that it’s not 4, but 5. From this statement there is not a question, but a bunch of questions: why 5, not 7 or 11 or 75, etc. But why, excuse me, 5 8 is better, that 5 is preferred ...
                    Based on this logic, you can invent anything.
                    Well, for example, they made a bookmark when they were just assembling the plane in 1990, because already then they knew that Poland would be headed by seasoned Russophobe Kaczynski, and that 2010, he and the other Russophobes would fly to Smolensk ... and that they would order the plane commander go on landing after the commander reports that he intends to go to another airfield ... so even this trifle was foreseen (moreover, this was done by Polish mechanics, who had arranged in advance for a plant in Samara) ... and yes, the bookmark patiently waited for its time 20 years old.
                    And yet, trolling is one thing .. but if there are other problems ... then it’s better to see a doctor.
                    Well-intentioned, if that. hi
                    1. alex86
                      alex86 16 January 2018 19: 11
                      0
                      The questions were specific, judging by the lack of answers, shoulder straps to reality have no relationship, so
                      Quote: flicker
                      trolling is one thing .. but if other problems ... it’s better to see a doctor.

                      I thought that at least you know something (by the design and organization of service), but alas ...
            2. alex86
              alex86 11 January 2018 20: 58
              0
              Judging by the good Russian language and some other circumstances, the report was written in Russia, Russian (well, Russian), well knowing the situation from the inside. Moreover, the lack of a report ?????, !!!!!! and))))))))) speaks of the absolute absence of smoker from the author.
              And try to read the report, at least those places that are understandable to a layman. There will be a lot of questions. I don’t have an answer to them, but I would like to hear some reasonable words from competent people.
    10. tomket
      tomket 11 January 2018 00: 44
      +2
      Quote: Kent0001
      Yes, do not care what happened inside of them exploded, because it exploded. Us army.

      Polish farts exploded ...
  2. sabakina
    sabakina 10 January 2018 19: 58
    11
    That is, the expert came to his conclusion on the dynamics of the impact of the door?

    Well, obviously yes. If she hit flat, then this is one, but if the butt, then this is another.
    1. assa67
      assa67 10 January 2018 20: 05
      10
      Vyacheslav, welcome hi .... no matter how calm the political relations ... "the birch had no primary influence on the plane" belay ..the birch was already interrogated ... not even a commission, but a subcommission .... but what will come up with a sub-subcommittee ?? laughing
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 20: 50
        +3
        Hi Andrey! hi
        Quote: assa67
        and what will come up with a sub-sub-commission ??

        You wait - these freshly frozen more than one encore number will soak! wassat
        1. assa67
          assa67 10 January 2018 20: 56
          +6
          Pasha, good evening hi ..Me never ceases to amaze this Pokemon insanity .... what makes the rulers so flattened? .. laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 21: 05
            +4
            And they believe that they are offended all their lives. Right now they blame most Russians. fool
            1. assa67
              assa67 10 January 2018 21: 12
              +8
              well, who else? ... sat in Moscow, at one time, drove back .... who is to blame for this? of course the Russians, because they kicked the "psy krev" home .... they saved them from total destruction by the Nazis. ... that's what we are not good
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 21: 32
                +2
                Yes, let them choke on their own poison! Well, or wait until the mattresses throw them like a used contraceptive. lol
                1. assa67
                  assa67 10 January 2018 21: 36
                  +6
                  as you delicately put it .... mattresses have long been using plastic cups instead of preziks for banderlogs ... that's why they like it laughing
                  1. Silkway0026
                    Silkway0026 11 January 2018 00: 34
                    +2
                    .... we suck off the Americans like the last fraer ...
                    © Radoslav Sikorsky.
            2. newcomer
              newcomer 10 January 2018 21: 14
              +2
              Pavel welcome, dear friend! Brothers, big hello to everyone. I understand, this Santa Barbara with the first board at the Poles is endless. they lick the Yankees to such an extent that they try Kennedy's laurels on their condos. in general, the green serpent strangled the Lyakh gentry, but after all, milking them is not comme il faut. and to hell with them. Pasha is glad to see you.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 21: 33
                +3
                Garik, hi! soldier The scale of insanity in Poland has long been off the scale, and let the mattresses lick ass - they don’t get used to it. laughing
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 10 January 2018 22: 08
                  +2
                  (I ask Pordon, I had to leave, I still go to work). Pash, it’s kind of like a national idea for them_ Guess how the prezik swung. they will guess right up to the loss of statehood, again.
            3. sabakina
              sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 32
              +4
              Pasha, it’s just spitting!
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 21: 36
                +4
                Mutually, Glory! hi How do you like Polish nonsense? lol
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 43
                  +5
                  No way. Tired of commenting on the nonsense already. Must beat!
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 21: 47
                    +4
                    Quote: sabakina
                    Must beat!

                    Words are not a boy, but a husband! soldier good drinks drinks drinks
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 10 January 2018 20: 56
      +3
      Quote: sabakina
      Well, obviously yes. If she hit flat, then this is one, but if the butt, then this is another.

      and still a lot depends on what angle and how much and where it bounced after the impact.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 33
        +3
        Sergey, hi , I wrote a little below on your comment.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 42
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          I wrote a little lower on your comment.

          I'll find smile
          Hey Ya hi
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 10 January 2018 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: sabakina
      Well, obviously yes. If she hit flat, then this is one, but if the butt, then this is another.

      There is, there is a school of mechanical physicists in Poland. The trajectory of the door could be calculated. Did the birch barkers take into account which doors came in the way? If not, then in vain. If you consider, it turns out that Putin is to blame.
      1. assa67
        assa67 10 January 2018 21: 23
        +9
        not that the birch trees took into account! the birch was interrogated .....
        Quote: iliitch
        there is a school of mechanical physicists in poland

        You are a little mistaken, you have to write; schizo-mechanics laughing
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 10 January 2018 23: 27
          +1
          Quote: assa67
          You are a little mistaken, you have to write; schizo-mechanics

          No, schizos, they are harmless, but when with mushrooms ...
          "And one of them, a mechanic, said, running away from the nannies, that the Bermuda polyhedron is the uncovered Navel of the Earth." . Wow, what songs would Vladimir Semyonovich write today, huh? I don’t see any of the heirs. Eh, it's time for them to put it on the table. All grandmothers, grandmother, life stuck, or what?
          1. assa67
            assa67 11 January 2018 00: 36
            +6
            what to say about it ..... remember the downing of our plane over the World Cup ..... it is recognized that dill got "accidentally" ..... neither sanctions nor payments to relatives
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 11 January 2018 09: 36
            +1
            People like Vladimir Semenovich are born every 100 years.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 31
        +5
        Valery, there are nothing to do with birch trees. There he insured the birch oak so that all parts of the plane crashed as it should. If not for him, the Poles would have proved in six months, like two fingers on the asphalt, that this is us. And here, you see, the eighth year is messing around ...
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 10 January 2018 23: 37
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          And here, you see, the eighth year is messing around ...

          Along the way, there oak is not at work. "That maple was in love with a white birch." Maple is another unaccounted factor. Well, this is a topic for another subcommission. Well, it’s difficult for them to get in touch with Russia, I don’t envy the dudes. wassat
    4. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 10 January 2018 21: 23
      +4
      Quote: sabakina
      Well, obviously yes. If she hit flat, then this is one, but if the butt, then this is another.

      Is the door even from an airplane?
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 44
        +2
        Quote: Barkhan
        Is the door even from an airplane?

        yes they say from Nysa laughing
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 45
        +4
        They didn’t show me. Maybe from the Malaysian Boeing.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 52
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          They didn’t show me. Maybe from the Malaysian Boeing

          this is a rebound belay
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 10 January 2018 22: 10
            +4
            What did you think ???? In this sublunar world, Boeing disappears at one point on the Earth, then falls at another point.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 10 January 2018 22: 26
              +3
              Quote: sabakina
              What did you think ???? In this sublunar world, Boeing disappears at one point on the Earth, then falls at another point.

              so it’s no longer a moonlit world, it’s already through the looking glass
          2. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 11 January 2018 01: 40
            +1
            Quote: LSA57
            this is a rebound

            "here the bullet flew, and AHA."
            Figuratively speaking, someone will hide, and Uncle Styopa will ask a grown-up question: "What little prank is indulging in here?" . And he’ll kick the ears. Life is short, I want to see everything right away. But it doesn’t happen that way, insulting, right?
      3. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 11 January 2018 00: 08
        +1
        Quote: Barkhan
        Is the door even from an airplane?

        Suddenly, they drove the doors for sale? Polish, wooden, for the kitchen or for the toilet
        ? I will not be surprised. No, it’s necessary to manage, on the 154th in Smolensk to break into the trash. fool . Even under difficult weather conditions. Why do you need this, Norilsk in December with a crosswind and with “2 cans in reserve” and when “in reserve” in Igarka is also an ass in the weather? Or Bhutan?
        What is there to sit down? Horns in the hands, with brains, and not plump. Mochilovo is with them, and the stench is with us.
    5. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 10 January 2018 22: 10
      +1
      The whole problem is that the door did not hit, but flew away. And then it dynamically landed. But she had to hit, an age of will not to be seen!
      Paradox! And since the paradox means Russian!
      No one else!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 January 2018 22: 16
        +3
        Vladimir, how was she supposed to land? What is a door in essence? flying wing. Did you run the plates? What about a boomerang? Although it is narrow and crooked, the infection flies! So, the laws of aerodynamics have not yet been canceled.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 22: 27
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Although it is narrow and crooked, the infection flies!

          here the door from the impact took the form of a boomerang
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 11 January 2018 20: 03
            0
            Well, you throw up questions!
            Brought up by a long stay in Poland, the almost Polish door was supposed to cartilage in Polish. And she? Fu, if not aesthetically pleasing, flew off with her innermost sparkling, and then, well, right in Russian, grunting! Like a fist in the face.
            Clearly, the Russian trace!
  3. viktorch
    viktorch 10 January 2018 19: 58
    +2
    farts exploded? tara with vodara? a riddle
    1. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 11 January 2018 00: 37
      +2
      probably smoked .... and others - farts ... well ...
      no safety precautions!
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 11 January 2018 00: 55
      +1
      Quote: viktorch
      tara with vodara? a riddle

      Even if you show this broken container - and why? Who, fir-trees, invented vodka, huh? Mendeleev. Definitely, the Russians are to blame. Why is everything in Papua New Guinea not dark enough? Miklouho-Maclay is to blame. Who would doubt that . And we put this into their doubts, eh, look for a larger diameter into the scrap:

      First, try to wrap it up, and unscrew it - without a chance.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 10 January 2018 19: 59
    +5
    For Motsarevich, this was not a resignation, just a castling !!! One client was returned to the ward number 6, others to the commission, and where to shove!
    In short, it will be fun to see how they all go there !!!
    There will be FUN, like me kaaaatsa!
    1. assa67
      assa67 10 January 2018 20: 12
      11
      Victor hi .... indeed, we must wait for the conclusions of the under-sub-commission ... and the drunk commander of the Air Force didn’t ditch all this chantropa, but valiantly tried to save them by killing Russian spy mosquito with a bottle of champagne
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 January 2018 22: 09
        +3
        Good evening Andrey.
        I see no reason to doubt the conclusions of the IAC Commission, the more so the Polish official departments and individuals observed, confirmed. Everything was according to the rules.
        What a political fuss. Beneficial to whom? Are they already in power, the most interested?
        Unclear.
        For the retired minister, Matserevich ... a clown, what to look for, but he was with such a position! Let's see which one goes next ???
        1. assa67
          assa67 11 January 2018 00: 43
          +7
          Russian ..... what else?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 January 2018 07: 57
            +3
            They have their own clowns, we have enough of ours!
            You won’t be able to hand over the championship, because our main clown is more adequate and there’s no talk about Ward No. 6 ... let the Psheks decide where to send theirs, return me to where I got out of.
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 11 January 2018 02: 42
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          For the retired minister, Matserevich ... a clown, what to look for, but he was with such a position!

          I am for him. On raising a freak, in Prussel it. There are not many Russophobes there, but this one is still hissing, and it’s its own kid.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 January 2018 08: 03
            +3
            We can’t be loved there and not all, but those who scream, scream, very loudly .... add Polish! Here the booth will start !!!
            Mozh really fun things go ???
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 11 January 2018 01: 49
        +1
        Quote: assa67
        .and the drunk commander of the Air Force didn’t ditch all this chantropa,

        T-ss ss. Russians, all around Russians. They see everything, they hear everything, they know everything. So why the hell are you still not under the terrible Russian yoke? Well this is illogical, damn it. Their bin niht ferstein. request
        A tablet for the patsaks, and better on the anti-Russian helmet with a sledgehammer from Petrovich. Petrovich - this is a friend (this is not an advertisement).
  5. NKT
    NKT 10 January 2018 20: 01
    +4
    Yeah, it means the examination of the wreckage did not reveal any traces of explosives, but some sub-expert on the photos found wink
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 January 2018 23: 00
      +4
      Not one Maclaren is a wizard, with him is some kind of Swiss prokhfzssor !!!
      It’s a shame for the zheks ... they’ll sculpt their miracles, the minister is different, now they’ll attract a gypsy too, we can reveal the whole truth about the cards !!!
  6. Galan
    Galan 10 January 2018 20: 06
    +3
    And that in Warsaw they are not looking for the cause of the explosion. We do not have technologies for laying explosives in an airplane on the fly.
    1. Going
      Going 10 January 2018 20: 20
      +7
      Eh, our hackers can do anything. lol
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 10 January 2018 20: 58
        +5
        Quote: Going
        Eh, our hackers can do anything. lol

        and women? and they will stop the horse on the move and lay the explosives in the flying plane lol
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 39
          +5
          Sergey, our women do not know how to fly. Although wait, there is one ...
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 45
            +2
            Quote: sabakina
            Sergey, our women do not know how to fly. Although wait, there is one ...

            ours can do everything. especially this lol
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 10 January 2018 22: 19
              +4
              Seryoga, well, thee and taste!
              1. Going
                Going 10 January 2018 22: 27
                +4
                And what is "pretty" laughing
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 10 January 2018 22: 29
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                Seryoga, well, thee and taste!

                May is more beautiful than yours. and 300 years younger tongue
              3. a housewife
                a housewife 11 January 2018 10: 06
                +1
                Baba Yagi - they are so different! In essence, every Baba Yaga is Vasilisa the Beautiful in old age. Or Wise. Of the lonely.
          2. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 11 January 2018 04: 31
            +1
            Quote: sabakina
            Sergey, our women do not know how to fly. Although wait, there is one ...

            What is this woman? This is a grandmother. A woman of kind soul .. Well done to a young man and to a bathhouse, and all affairs .. But I thought everything in my childhood, something good fellows did all the epic feats? Well, when such a harassment begins after the bathhouse, no fucking Tatar-Mongolian bagaturas will stop the young man in retreat. The main thing is to retreat from it towards the enemy. And let these deer run and think why we are so fearless.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 10 January 2018 21: 25
      +3
      Quote: galan
      And that in Warsaw they are not looking for the cause of the explosion. We do not have technologies for laying explosives in an airplane on the fly.

      Sorry, but in general it is. Air defense is called.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 January 2018 21: 48
        +4
        Sorry, they didn’t pawn on ZR, she gets her destination with her pyoch.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Sorry, they didn’t pawn on ZR, she gets her destination with her pyoch.

          in the wake? like a dog? figase ....
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 11 January 2018 02: 09
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Sorry, they didn’t pawn on ZR, she gets her destination with her pyoch.

          Well then, it can be called a remote bookmark, assuming contactless delivery to the addressee ...
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 10 January 2018 22: 13
      +4
      So in Odessa, cut marks on the go, clocked in the porthole !!!
      True, she is now completely not ours ... you can’t drink any skill !!!
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    5. AID.S
      AID.S 10 January 2018 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: galan
      We do not have technologies for laying explosives in an airplane on the fly.

      1. That's how ours caught pilots flying into civilian traffic.
  7. Baloo
    Baloo 10 January 2018 20: 08
    +3
    An international expert, Frank Taylor, works in our subcommittee. He confirms that the wing of the presidential airliner that crashed in Smolensk was destroyed by an internal explosion.

    Matserevich and planted explosives. As I understand it, the Polish board and crew, Pole passengers, flew from Warsaw.
    Matsarevich is a terrorist! He began to cover his tracks, and for this he was fired. wink
    1. Going
      Going 10 January 2018 20: 46
      +5
      Finely take it, there the twin brother was operating. lol
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 00
      +3
      Quote: Balu
      He confirms that the wing of the presidential airliner crashed in Smolensk was destroyed as a result internal the explosion.

      how did she get there? inside the wing laughing
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 10 January 2018 21: 19
        +3
        Quote: LSA57
        Quote: Balu
        He confirms that the wing of the presidential airliner crashed in Smolensk was destroyed as a result internal the explosion.

        how did she get there? inside the wing laughing

        You underestimate the deceit of Matserevich. bully
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 21: 27
          +3
          Quote: Balu
          You underestimate the treachery of Matserevich

          it turns out that he himself bypassed GDP in deceit laughing dashing lyah laughing
          1. Going
            Going 10 January 2018 22: 28
            +4
            He bit himself for a soft spot and no more.
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 10 January 2018 22: 12
        +1
        There are almost a couple of tons of aviation kerosene. Torn so that mom do not cry!
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 January 2018 22: 32
          +1
          Quote: Vlad.by
          There are almost a couple of tons of aviation kerosene. Torn so that mom do not cry!

          and what? door examination clearly showed that there was explosive in the wing
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 11 January 2018 19: 56
            0
            Here with the door I pierced, to blame ... :-)
  8. Anton Boldakov
    Anton Boldakov 10 January 2018 20: 09
    +5
    You never know what the bodyguards brought with them. I remember there was a terrible noise about the sound of shots at the crash site - everyone was yelling "the bloody FSB led by Putin was killing survivors of the crash," and then they figured it out - ammunition from Kachinsky’s bodyguards exploded in fire.
    1. Going
      Going 10 January 2018 20: 22
      +8
      Quote: Anton Boldakov
      and then they figured it out - ammunition from the personal weapon of Kachinsky’s bodyguards exploded in fire.


      But everyone forgot about it and will continue to exaggerate this story for a long time.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 January 2018 20: 10
    +2
    They ate themselves with bean soup ... And most importantly, who cooked the plane?
    1. Anton Boldakov
      Anton Boldakov 10 January 2018 20: 28
      +1
      Who cares who prepared the plane? Russia has long-and-and-and-and-and-and-such hands (an example of which has been done with cyber intervention) - so they will say. that HERE could not do without Moscow’s long arms ... One thing only pleases - this Klintsevich-Klinov was dismissed ...
  10. 26rus
    26rus 10 January 2018 20: 10
    +5
    Well, let's say that really explosives ... Then, saying "A", say "B"! It turns out that they themselves banged their prezik, or were all Russians out of control in flight to quietly attach a bomb ???
    1. Anton Boldakov
      Anton Boldakov 10 January 2018 20: 34
      +1
      I put my milk teeth that the second option will be the main and basic (unless of course, this paranoia does not subside).
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 10 January 2018 22: 15
      0
      And in Polish after A - there must be a hissing sound. They will not say, I give a tooth!
  11. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 10 January 2018 20: 12
    +1
    There were 18 of them, according to the number of applicants for Polish jumper (a jumper is not a sign of royal nobility at all, but a working tool).
  12. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 January 2018 20: 13
    16
    Most importantly, the birch is not to blame !!!! Just a load from the soul .. And at least one of those responsible for the preparation and safety of the presidential board incurred some responsibility
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 10 January 2018 20: 16
    +2
    I kept thinking that this was nonsense. There were already commissions and everyone sorted it out, but .............. this phrase made me think:
    Yaroslav, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1
  14. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 10 January 2018 20: 16
    0
    Frank Taylor - International. That says it all.
  15. Egorovich
    Egorovich 10 January 2018 20: 18
    +3
    The show of freaks of Polish origin is in full swing. To be continued.....
  16. Bykov.
    Bykov. 10 January 2018 20: 44
    +3
    .By the way, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, Yaroslav still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 on that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1.

    So-so-so .... vague doubts torment me
  17. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 10 January 2018 20: 46
    0
    Macarevich left, but his work lives on.
  18. Doubting
    Doubting 10 January 2018 21: 04
    0
    Everything seems to be clear with this catastrophe - fog, tree, but one question still remains -
    why do not give parts of the plane to the Poles so far?
    Something's dirty here ...
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 10 January 2018 22: 19
      +3
      So give them to them - they will wash it. In pairs of explosives. And then there will be more screeching. No, let them come, take measurements, hiss at each other ... besides, our plane, our race, we have the right to provide the last harbor.
  19. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 10 January 2018 21: 08
    +1
    That is, along the way, there was an internal battle ... That's just who on whom and for what is not specified ...
    Hence the question again; What do we have to do with it?
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 10 January 2018 21: 20
      +3
      Yeah, the internal battle between the commander in chief of the Air Force ship commander !!
      Ship commander:
      1. Encouraged by the success of the Yak-40 that sat before them and took note of their landing conditions.
      2. The variometer did not lead to airfield pressure - a gross violation in preparation for landing.
      3. The height control was carried out along the RV-5, which was not particularly peculiar to the axis of approach and topography.
      4. The crew did not prepare for leaving for the second round.
  20. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 10 January 2018 21: 10
    0
    Thank God, even though the birch is out of business! Where did they fly from Warsaw? There ends and look. This show of exhumators really swept up.
  21. flicker
    flicker 10 January 2018 21: 14
    +2
    In science, to understand the phenomenon of repeating an experiment.

  22. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 10 January 2018 21: 18
    +3
    Political elites in Poland live happily. Neither in life nor after death do they know peace. Why are they burying the victims of this disaster? They would create a museum of "Russian aggression" and exhibit these bodies there as exhibits.
    If already to this fact of the collapse, where the Kremlin’s hand is in no way traced, the Poles are making efforts of a moron, breaking through a concrete wall with his head, then it’s obvious that they made titanic efforts in the past (and in the present) to expose Russia as the original enemy of Poland , despite the fact that only thanks to Russia did they maintain their statehood. Natural spanks
  23. Victor_B
    Victor_B 10 January 2018 21: 21
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    I kept thinking that this was nonsense. There were already commissions and everyone sorted it out, but .............. this phrase made me think:
    Yaroslav, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1
    It seems they wrote that he had already climbed out of the plane.
    Did you take your luggage?
  24. Doubting
    Doubting 10 January 2018 21: 23
    0
    By the way, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, Yaroslav still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 on that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1.


    We will also find out why Kobzon did not fly to Syria? request

    On board the same aircraft could be several more people. But for various reasons, they did not fly. For example, singer and State Duma deputy Joseph Kobzon
    1. flicker
      flicker 11 January 2018 00: 27
      +2
      Kobzon has already survived a clinical death - his death in this age is unlikely to be scary
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 11 January 2018 18: 22
        +1
        Quote: flicker
        Kobzon has already survived a clinical death - his death in this age is unlikely to be scary

        If you are lucky, you will live up to this age and realize that you want to live at any age.
  25. Victor_B
    Victor_B 10 January 2018 21: 23
    +1
    ... and again dug up the stewardess. (from)
  26. Victor_B
    Victor_B 10 January 2018 21: 24
    +2
    Quote: dedBoroded
    Thank God, even though the birch is out of business! Where did they fly from Warsaw? There ends and look. This show of exhumators really swept up.

    So now take away the awards from the crew of the birch?
  27. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 10 January 2018 21: 46
    +1
    From the title:
    On board the Tu-154 in 2010, internal explosions occurred

    Champagne should be kept in the refrigerator. When it is warm, but at a height, and injury can be obtained when opening the bottle.
  28. Terenin
    Terenin 10 January 2018 22: 19
    +6
    The birch had no primary effect on the aircraft, the RMF 24 information service stated: referring to their written testimony of a bark beetle from this birch, an eagle owl from a neighboring oak and a choir of frogs from a swamp yes
    1. viktorch
      viktorch 10 January 2018 23: 03
      0
      cosmic rays had an influence from the beginning, then the invocations of the dark magicians of the darkest, all this was poured with Polish vodka, and in the end there was a birch.

      and so everything is true, birch carried out the final stage of the insidious plan, and not the primary
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  30. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 22: 35
    +3
    Polish subcommittee: Internal explosions occurred on board the Tu-154 in 2010


    These are explosions in the Poles in the brains or lower back. Zadolbali.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 10 January 2018 22: 46
      0
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Polish subcommittee: Internal explosions occurred on board the Tu-154 in 2010


      This is Y poles in the brain or lower back explosions. Zadolbali.

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      the topic is in demand, it’s a sin not to use it to a cunning person for their own purposes
  31. Terenin
    Terenin 10 January 2018 23: 11
    +4
    Quote: viktorch
    ... well, at the end there was a birch.
    and so everything is true, birch carried out the final stage of the insidious plan, and not the primary

    Well, it’s clear that in Russia only boring pillars cross the road for some, and in Poland, as a civilized country, romanic birches lol
  32. myrzilka
    myrzilka 10 January 2018 23: 24
    0
    Fu ... the charges were dropped from the birch tree. I won’t be surprised if, further, it was done by aliens with teleport weapons.
  33. 7gor
    7gor 11 January 2018 00: 44
    0
    Well this is like all sausages laughing ! Russia does not give them rest
  34. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 January 2018 01: 09
    0
    The Poles blinded each other or the CIA. This conclusion suggests itself. He likes it, but you can’t deceive logic.
  35. LeonidL
    LeonidL 11 January 2018 02: 26
    +1
    If something exploded seconds before a collision with a birch, then something appeared on the plane at the time of take-off and, therefore, flew off Polish soil after being served by Polish technicians. But, most likely, these microexplosions are simply blows from the tops of trees before meeting with the fatal birch, especially since, apparently, all the wing mechanization has been released as well as the chassis. That is, they were below the wing and body of the liner, and therefore the first blows fell on them.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 11 January 2018 08: 34
      0
      Quote: LeonidL
      If something exploded seconds before a collision with a birch, then something appeared on the plane at the time of take-off and, therefore, flew off Polish soil after being served by Polish technicians

      What are the techniques that flew? Decryption of black boxes is, what else is needed?
  36. Ramovic nedzad
    Ramovic nedzad 11 January 2018 02: 57
    0
    FRANK TAYLOR - EVERYTHING IS CLEAR, MEDJUNARODNA COLALITION IS WEST. ANOTHER FILTHY GAME OF USA AND HIS SATELITTES. FOR EVERYTHING BLAME RUSSIA. PIECE OF SHEET. CIA.
  37. Pavlovsky
    Pavlovsky 11 January 2018 07: 46
    +1
    This at Kaczynski fart vomited
  38. ver_
    ver_ 11 January 2018 08: 18
    0
    Quote: Going
    It’s not childish in all of them, soon the whole world will laugh.

    ... and who needs them in this world? ..
  39. Orionvit
    Orionvit 11 January 2018 08: 32
    0
    Quote: Going
    why didn't Kochinsky’s brother fly, although he was on the lists?

    Because of all the people on board, he was probably the most bukh. I just didn’t get to the plane. laughing
  40. ver_
    ver_ 11 January 2018 08: 42
    +1
    Quote: assa67
    well, who else? ... sat in Moscow, at one time, drove back .... who is to blame for this? of course the Russians, because they kicked the "psy krev" home .... they saved them from total destruction by the Nazis. ... that's what we are not good

    ... they didn’t just sit in the Kremlin .., they also corpses * of their own * allowed themselves to * grub * ... * ...
  41. Dormidont
    Dormidont 11 January 2018 09: 38
    0
    Internal explosions. Well, the thing. The pan-Russophobian farts were torn
  42. Rash
    Rash 11 January 2018 10: 06
    +1
    I think it is necessary to exhume and interrogate Kachinsky once again. Only this will shed light on this dark story.
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 11 January 2018 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: Rush
      I think it is necessary to exhume and interrogate Kachinsky once again.

      And how many times have Kaczynski been dug, dug and interrogated, and then again dug? laughing
      1. Rash
        Rash 12 January 2018 13: 40
        0
        Once precisely dug up. Moreover, now he looked, they dug up not one of him, but almost all of the dead. There is nothing sacred, completely crazy.
  43. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 January 2018 10: 46
    +1
    Explosions leave traces of explosives on the metal.
    As far as is known, no such traces were found. The arguments of the Poles are very very
    indirect: sounds in the black box record, the dynamics of the fall.
    Unsteady. Not enough for conclusions.
    1. alex86
      alex86 13 January 2018 20: 31
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      such traces were not found
      - perhaps they didn’t want to find. Therefore, the plane is not given. The dynamics of the fall is not very indirect - suddenly the plane receives a roll of 65 degrees, although the notorious birch fell at the end of the wing (if there is a birch here) - and this is clear even to a layman. that one wing was practically gone.
      I do not affirm or support anyone’s point of view - but why don’t we give the plane back? Even the DNI / LC gave the Dutch a Boeing.
  44. prior
    prior 11 January 2018 11: 25
    +2
    And the Russians planted birches near the runway and let fog into the Severny airfield.
    Something long ago the Poles did not exhume once again the remains of the crashed .....
    In general, for the purity of the investigation, you need to repeat the flight with Kaczynski’s brother on board. Matserevich and members of the commission there too.
  45. sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 11 January 2018 13: 52
    +2
    "... charges located inside the aircraft." and what, again, "Putin is to blame"? !!! correctly he answered them: "look for yourself!". and let them look if they are so stubborn ....
  46. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 11 January 2018 15: 11
    +2
    And imagine for a second that the Poles are right, there were three explosions on board. The conclusion suggests itself that the mines were laid in Warsaw and set for a specific time of the explosion. And it turns out that if it weren’t for the fog, then the plane would have exploded either in taxiing, or already in the parking lot, that is, on the land of Russia. Imagine the howl of "the entire civilized world": in Russia, a plane was blown up with the President of Poland and the government on board. Look at the root - who benefits from this situation: both the government is destroyed and the Russians are to blame ... So thanks to the Russian fog ...
    And the Poles are dumb if they insist on this version.
    And, of course, Putin is to blame. As they wrote above, I crawled to the plane and laid mines ...
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 11 January 2018 18: 10
      +1
      Quote: Sewer Krainiy
      And imagine for a second that the Poles are right, there were three explosions on board. The conclusion suggests itself that the mines were laid in Warsaw and set for a specific time of the explosion. And it turns out that if it weren’t for the fog, then the plane would have exploded either in taxiing, or already in the parking lot, that is, on the land of Russia. Imagine the howl of "the entire civilized world": in Russia, a plane was blown up with the President of Poland and the government on board. Look at the root - who benefits from this situation: both the government is destroyed and the Russians are to blame ... So thanks to the Russian fog ...
      And the Poles are dumb if they insist on this version.

      The Poles are not stupid. They are different. Some Poles lay mines (and why didn’t brother Yaroslav fly?), Others report explosions. So it turns out such clumsy (at first glance) ...
  47. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 11 January 2018 18: 06
    +1
    By the way, the brother of the deceased president, Lech Kaczynski, Yaroslav still could not explain to the press why he did not appear in the spring of 2010 on that fateful day aboard the Polish Air Force No. 1.

    This is a hit for the surviving brother, who, incidentally, rose well after the disaster ... belay
  48. Terenin
    Terenin 11 January 2018 20: 35
    +5
    Quote: Ramovic Nedzad
    FRANK TAYLOR - EVERYTHING IS CLEAR, MEDJUNARODNA COLALITION IS WEST. ANOTHER FILTHY GAME OF USA AND HIS SATELITTES. FOR EVERYTHING BLAME RUSSIA. PIECE OF SHEET. CIA.

    Yes, with all sorts of clever cosmic manipulations by the CIA and the USA against Russia, it was and will be Blissful. And Blessed is a special face of saints in Christianity and Russia enjoys the vision of God and communicates with Him (blessed vision).