Serial production of Mi-38 helicopters launched in Kazan

The Kazan Helicopter Plant (KVZ) launched into serial production five medium multipurpose Mi-38 in both military and civilian versions, Interfax reports, citing a source in the aviation industry.

Currently, the launch of the production at the KVZ (part of the Russian Helicopters holding of the Rostec State Corporation) contains five Mi-38 helicopters in versions designed both for the Russian Ministry of Defense and in civil equipment

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Both military and civilian versions of the Mi-38 are built according to the technical documentation with a serial model letter - it is the same for all variants.

However, for the military version of the Mi-38T there are additions to the documentation on the equipment of the helicopter, which must pass state tests and also get a serial sample letter - noted in the material

To date, four prototypes of the Mi-38, undergoing certification testing, have been built.

Earlier it was reported that the first customer of the new medium-heavy helicopter Mi-38 was the Russian Defense Ministry. In August, the press service of Russian Helicopters, 2017, reported that the Kazan Helicopter Plant had begun assembling the first prototype Mi-38T for the military department. The transfer of two vehicles to the military department should take place in 2018 and 2019. According to Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov, the ministry plans to purchase about 15 Mi-38 helicopters up to 2020.

The average multipurpose Mi-38, developed by the Moscow Mil Helicopter Plant, occupies a niche between the Mi-8 and the heavy Mi-26. It can be used for the transport of goods and passengers, including in the performance of VIP, used as a search and rescue helicopter and a flying hospital, as well as for flights over the water surface.

Also developed a military version of the helicopter - Mi-38T, which differs from the base in a number of parameters and equipment. Including, on a military helicopter, it is planned to install a fuel system with explosion protection, additional fuel tanks to increase the flight range, special communications equipment and equipment for use by crew members of marine rescue suits.

Comments

[KVU-NSVD]

Nice car

[Zaurbek]

Mi-8/17 is the main competitor ... the same engines / blades / gearbox / avionics and the price is lower ... After removing the Mi-8/17 from production, we need a new machine of the Ka-60/62 class and then there will be logic.

[Spec]

Mi-38 and Ka-60 in different classes. don't you find ?! Mi-8/17 is not a competitor, but the previous model, which came to the logical conclusion of its modernization capabilities, and while they are flying, it is necessary to continue the continuity so that users all over the world, after the development of the Mi-8/17 resource (etc.) , did not switch to another type and manufacturer.
By the way, the engines, blades and avionics on the Mi-38 are already different.
The Ka-60/62 may claim the niche that Agusta, Messerschmitt and Bella occupy now, i.e. take a little less and throw a little closer than the Mi-38.

[Zaurbek]

Take the latest versions of the Mi-17 and look at the engines ... the tail rotor X ... for the Mi-38 for the future, of course there are more options, but this is a heavier machine than the Mi-8/17 ... and there can be such a massive like the Mi-8/17. Accordingly, we need a new mass helicopter.

[Spec]

He looked at the engines. The difference in power is comparable to the capacity of two Kamaz trucks with a carrying capacity of 20 tons. This is not the same engine that was installed on the Mi-40 8 years ago, and not even the one that is now placed on the Ka-50 and Mi-28, you simply could not add power to an upgrade and polished 25%, otherwise it would have been done a long time ago.

but it is a heavier car than the Mi-8/17 ... and it cannot be as massive as the Mi-8/17.

How does one come from the other? Well, they would compare the Mi-26 and Mi-8, it’s understandable here. But the mass of the “eights” is determined by the demand for an average helicopter to transport goods up to five tons to intra-regional distances. In the seventies, such a carrying capacity was abundant. Now, probably, the requests have grown, maybe already not enough. I’m not going to argue here. But I’m sure that people will find how to load additional volume.
Let's go back to our sheep ... A heavier board required a more powerful engine. Done, it seems to work. The old blades can no longer be delivered, either they will break due to overload and a higher rotation speed, or they simply will not provide a gain in performance. it’s just like to pedal the front wheel of a carbon fiber sports bike, like a children's three-wheeled ... Accordingly, the transmission has also been redesigned. The appearance of the photo can not be used to evaluate the characteristics.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Zaurbeku

Mi-38 for the future, of course there are more options, but it is a heavier machine than the Mi-8/17 ... and it cannot be as massive as the Mi-8/17. Accordingly, we need a new mass helicopter.

What are you saying? Why can't it? And what is needed? And what would more than 50 years ago be said when the Mi-8 appeared: do we need a new mass old Mi-4?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Zaurbek

Mi-8/17 is the main competitor ... the same engines / blades / gearbox / avionics and the price is lower ... After removing the Mi-8/17 from production, we need a new machine of the Ka-60/62 class and then there will be logic.

1. Where does the data come from? More precisely, where is the data that the cars are the same ???
2. Where does the data come from that Kamov produces similar helicopters ??? As far as I am aware, these machines have a common name only, everything else is different.

[Zaurbek]

Flight performance
Maximum takeoff weight up to 13000 kg
The number of transported paratroopers up to 36 people
Number of wounded transported on stretchers 12 people
Payload inside the cargo compartment 4000 kg
Payload on external sling 4000 kg
Cargo compartment dimensions: length x width x height 5,34 x 2,34 x 1,8 m
Cargo compartment dimensions: usable area 12,5 m²
Cargo cabin dimensions: usable volume 23 m³
Ceiling 6000 m
Flight range at maximum takeoff weight (with emergency fuel supply for 30 minutes): with main fuel tanks 580 km
Flight range at maximum takeoff weight (with emergency fuel supply for 30 minutes): with two additional fuel tanks 1065 km
Engine power in emergency mode: TVZ-117VM (Mi-8AMTSH) 2 x 2100 hp With
Engine power in emergency mode: VK-2500 (option) 2 x 2700 l. With.


Technical characteristics of the helicopter [edit | edit code]

Mi-38 at the MAKS-2005 air show

Mi-38 at the MAKS-2005 air show
Capacity [edit | edit code]
Crew: 2 people.
Passengers: 30 (step 75 cm)
Sizes [edit | edit code]
Main rotor diameter: 21,1 m
The diameter of the tail rotor: 3,84 m
Length with rotation screws: 25 m
Fuselage length: 19,95 m
The width of the fuselage: 4,5 m
Height with rotation screws: 6,98 m
Mass [edit | edit code]
Empty: 8300 kg
Norm take-off: 14200 kg
Max. takeoff: 15600 kg
Max. payload on external suspension: 6000 kg
Max. payload in the transport cabin: 5000 kg
Powerplant [edit | edit code]
Engines TV7-117V
Power on take-off: 2800 l. p. [28]
Power in emergency mode: 3750 l. p. [28]
At the initial stage, the possibility of installing a foreign engine manufactured by Pratt & Whitney was also considered, but after the conflict with Georgia, the United States imposed a ban on its installation due to the possible double use of Mi-38 helicopters.

[avt]

Quote: Zaurbek

Mi-8/17 is the main competitor ... the same engines / blades / gearbox / avionics and the price is lower ... After removing the Mi-8/17 from production, we need a new machine of the Ka-60/62 class and then there will be logic.

Have you ever tried to compare the performance characteristics before issuing this ??

[Zaurbek]

The Mi-38 on the project should be 15-20 percent more powerful than the Mi-8. this is reflected in the specifications ... but the price and mass character of such a helicopter? And compare this to the Mi-8.

[Dreamboat]

AND? What's the question?
That helicopters are needed both more and less ...
Now everything that does not fit in MI-8 (17) carries MI-26. MI-38 must stand between them.

[Zaurbek]

Helicopters now, unlike the USSR, should be sold and profitable. Accordingly, their market niche should be thought out and internal competition should not be. And the device must be massive.

[Skifotavr]

Do not worry, it will all be.

[Bronevick]

Mi-38 should in the future completely replace Mi-8.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thank you for such positive news !!!

[cormorant]

The beginning of design in 1981 ... After 36 years, they launched into serial production. Stunning timelines for input technology. And so, of course, a beautiful car.

[donavi49]

Well, a competitor has settled down in 13 countries and is actively selling, new models of the family are being made, it was almost enough to become Board No.1 of the USA.

[Mestny]

Interested in.
In the countries where you live with the previous speaker - how many helicopters are developed and produced?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Mestny

Interested in.
In the countries where you live with the previous speaker - how many helicopters are developed and produced?

The first flag is ZERO. In the second, the last helicopter was in the late 80s, after which they began to vtyuhivayut all star-striped.

These speakers can simply be ignored ...

[Stirbjorn]

I am glad that they still decided to install domestic engines on it (one of the first assembled cars was with a Pratt & Whitney Canada engine). The new K-62 has a lot of imported, in fact, such a helicopter Superjet - accordingly, the prospects are vague, taking into account competitors

[NEXUS]

The news is good ... but Kamovtsy have not yet spoken.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: NEXUS

The news is good ... but Kamovtsy have not yet spoken.

They will say. There is no doubt about it. There for a word they do not climb into your pocket)))

[faiver]

gentlemen authors Mi-38 does not occupy a niche between Mi-8 and Mi-26, but replaces Mi-8, and between Mi-26 and Mi-8 there was Mi-6, which was successfully taken over by 90 ..

[Nikolay R-PM]

In my humble opinion, the Mi-8MT and Mi-38, on the one hand, are competing helicopters, and on the other, knocking the “eight out of its niches from military and civilian operators around the world will make the 38th so far difficult.
The 38th has assets: higher cruising and maximum speed, a longer cargo compartment (with equal heights and widths) and cargo capacity, large ceilings, a crew outside autonomous basing conditions can consist of 2 people and, finally, it was created in later time and therefore the design of the helicopter takes into account the later requirements of airworthiness.
Mi-8MT is certainly inferior in all of the above characteristics, but it has been in operation in all climatic zones for decades, it is familiar to technicians and pilots, it has passed through more than one armed conflict, and most importantly, maintenance and modernization of this helicopter can be carried out even in Russia, even in Europe, even in South Africa, service centers are being created in South America and India, like in China. In my opinion, these are sufficient reasons for the “old man” not to retire another 20 years.
In fairness, I also note that the 38th officially demonstrated the possibility of delivering a cargo of 2 tons to a height of more than 7000 m. A very not acidic result.
I agree with faiver about the strange statement about the niche mi-38 between mi-8 and mi-26 - there is a whole chasm. To replace the Mi-6, the Mi-46 was designed, and it was so “under the cloth” and remained until China wanted a 13-tonne. Now the Mi-46 is called AHL and is being developed for China.

[Hadji Murat]

15 miserable cars

[Sergeant71]

The news is great. But deliveries of 15 helicopters in 2 years are somehow not at all impressive. On a national scale, this is a miser.