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Russia will kill the demographic crisis. President Putin, who is seeking to take a high chair for another six years, considers resolving this crisis a priority. However, foreign experts believe that in the coming years, the number of Russians will only decrease. The working population will be less and less: Russia is suffering losses in the literal sense of the word.



Pensioner holds a receipt for utility bills


"Russia lacks Russians." Under this grim title was an article by Benjamin Tribe in a Swiss newspaper "Neue Zürcher Zeitung". The demographic decline seriously limits the pace of economic and business development in Russia, the author believes. And there seems to be no “serious solution” for this crisis.

Not only national security and defense are priorities for V. Putin, the journalist writes. One of the priorities is the demographic situation.

At the end of 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin, the author recalls, announced new measures to support mothers and expanded existing benefits. Families will be able to receive preferential mortgage loans and payments for the first child. In the next three years, such a program will cost the treasury nearly 9 billions of dollars.

The goal is as clear as it is difficult to achieve.

The population of Russia should no longer decline. However, the International Labor Organization (ILO) and the rating agency Standard & Poor's, on the contrary, expect a decline in the population of Russia. By 2050, the population of the Russian Federation will fall to 130 million people.

Currently, according to official data, 146,8 of a million people live in the country (without the annexed Peninsula of Crimea, the journalist specifies, about 144 million).

The Russians themselves are much more optimistic. Rosstat (in the original, the ministry called it “Das nationale Statistikamt”) suggests that by 2035, the population will be reduced only to 145,9 million. And at the same time, the net immigration rate is steadily increasing every year (up to 300.000 people per year, the author indicates).

However, economic experts, entrepreneurs and state representatives are also worried about another factor: there is not only a decline in the number of local population, but also a disproportionate decrease in the number of working citizens. Their number falls "over the years," the correspondent writes.

According to Minister of Economy M. Oreshkin, the working-age population in the next six years will be reduced by 800.000 people.

VTB experts estimate the reduction of working citizens for the next eight years only by 500.000 people. But even such a reduction is enough to reduce the gross domestic product of the Russian Federation by 0,5 percentage points. This reduction in GDP will cause significant damage to a country that has experienced a recession in 2015 and 2016. GDP growth in the 2017 year is hardly two percent, and the growth potential is less than 1,5% (according to the International Monetary Fund).

Who will save Russia? And where did this problem come from?

The root of the problem lies in the nineties of the last century, a time of upheaval, the journalist said. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia "plunged into a demographic catastrophe." Many families had fewer children because they were trying to survive elementary. Government support in those years was “practically non-existent,” and prices were growing by leaps and bounds. The country's mortality rate has increased, and the birth rate has fallen from 2,2 children per woman in 1987 to less than 1,2 in 1999.

Since, however, the birth rate is slowly recovering, the birth rate is now at least 1,7. But the situation with a demographic failure cannot be resolved, says Tribe. Here are the data: the proportion of the population aged 15 to 30 in the total population of the Russian Federation has decreased from 24% in 2002 to slightly less than 20% in 2015. Generation 1990 — 2000 it turned out to be the smallest generation and at the same time the generation that gave the smallest number of working citizens for a rather long period. Even if there were at least as many children in those years as were born in the 1980s, the demographic “pit” would not be felt so acutely.

In recent years, the shortage of labor in Russia has already become a structural problem, further points out to Tribe. Companies have problems filling open vacancies. By the way, this is reflected in the wage increase: from 2008 to 2015. real wage growth averaged 2,7% per year, while labor productivity grew by only 1,6%. And only in 2015, there was a significant reduction in wages: under pressure from the recession, many employers preferred to cut wages rather than drive people to the streets, says Tribe.

At the same time, according to official data, unemployment has never risen above historically low 6%.

Today wages in the Russian Federation are growing again. The central bank has already warned of a possible acceleration of inflation.

Russia could respond to a reduction in the supply of labor in three ways: a) the labor force becomes more productive; b) workers work longer; c) there are more workers. Increasing productivity, however, is the most difficult path: it requires investment in education, in machinery and equipment.

And the situation here is as follows: the budget spent by the state on education is insignificant (about four percent of the federal budget), and Russia’s lag in the modernization process is large. From 2008 to 2015, according to the World Bank, gross fixed capital formation in Russia grew on average by only 1,5% per year! Production facilities are outdated. The economy lacks growth opportunities.

We need budget reforms, reforms in the field of entrepreneurship, which will increase the flow of investment, but the Kremlin "is just as difficult to do as it is to extend the working life of the workers." Experts agree that retirement age comes too early in Russia: 55 years for women and 60 years for men. This is one of the lowest retirement ages in the world. It was introduced, reminiscent of Tribe, under Stalin, in 1932. “The financing of the pension system is very old-Testament,” the author writes, “but Vladimir Putin does not want to experience the people's anger, which could provoke an increase in [retirement age].”

The proportion of Russians who, by age, have gone beyond the limits of these restrictions, is growing. According to Rosstat, by 2035, the number of pensioners in the country will be no less than 43 million people, their number will be from 25 to 29% of the total population. At the same time, pensions paid in the country are so low that many pensioners “participate in the shadow economy”: they are forced to work and earn. The imbalance in the country is exacerbated by the fact that women retire early and live long: their life expectancy is 77 years, and men only 67 years. Such a “scary” short life expectancy, explains Tribe, is caused by alcoholism, traffic accidents, violence, and cardiovascular diseases that are widespread in Russia.

Immigration, mentioned above, is by no means a simple solution to the problem. Yes, Russia has for many years been a “destination” for labor migrants from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Meanwhile, the economic crisis of recent years, along with measures of protectionism, have weakened the influx of migrants. In the first half of 2017, immigration no longer compensated for the natural mortality. And even the increased immigration from Ukraine over the past three years has not improved the situation.

And let there be more migrants in the future, this will not improve the general situation: many immigrants from the former Soviet republics have low qualifications. In addition, they occupy not the jobs that were previously claimed by local Russians, but those places that Russians did not want to go to — for example, in construction, the journalist believes. Attraction of valuable personnel, for example, scientists or specialists, is rare, the author notes. Therefore, experts do not believe that Russia will be able to quickly resolve the demographic crisis.

* * *


Add a few words about the cost of education in Russia. Russians should not expect any fundamental changes in the budget financing of education - it will be carried out according to the same “residual” principle.

Here are some datataken from the explanatory note to the draft federal budget for 2018-2020 years. In relation to the GDP volume, the share of budget expenditures of the “Education” section in 2017 — 2018 years will be 0,7%, in 2019 — 2020 years - only 0,6%. The share in the total expenditures of the federal budget in the section "Education" in 2018 — 2020 in comparison with 2017 year (3,7%) will increase slightly: it will be 4% annually.

As for raising the retirement age, we note, not only world experts, but also Russian ones speak about it. The main reasons for the upcoming retirement age may be relatively low oil prices, which create a chronic budget deficit dependent on the export of energy resources in Russia, as well as the very demographic “pit” that was discussed above.

43 million pensioners with 70 million working citizens create considerable pressure on the budget, not to mention the shadow economy, from which contributions to the Pension Fund do not come. In the future, working citizens will be even less, since today those who were born in 1990 — 2000, that is, the generation “thinned out” by reformers, began or are starting to work.

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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 10 January 2018 08: 57
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    Pensioner holds a receipt for utility bills
    typical whiner, liberal, State Department agent, whining plaintively, at a time when the country is hard! because of these, young people do not have enough pills, and kindergarten babies! because of these, the "average age" must plow at work and pay a penny to these parasites! retired, be useful to the country ... make hara-kiri ...
    1. dSK
      dSK 10 January 2018 09: 02
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      In megacities, large families are an exception; they cannot survive. The expansion and development of Moscow will earn mainly "partners". Demand for new buildings is stable, the "extra population" of Russia is going to Moscow and St. Petersburg for salaries. The periphery is emptying, but not for long, more and more refugees.
      1. Vend
        Vend 10 January 2018 09: 19
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        Quote: dsk
        In megacities, large families are an exception; they cannot survive. The expansion and development of Moscow will earn mainly "partners". Demand for new buildings is stable, the "extra population" of Russia is going to Moscow and St. Petersburg for salaries. The periphery is emptying, but not for long, more and more refugees.

        Come on. I have three children, my relatives have two, my colleague will soon have a second, and so on. And at the same time, some are renting housing. We live and we will continue to live.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 10 January 2018 09: 33
          15
          Again 25.
          40 has been whining about this for years ...

          I live with my grandmother,
          I live with my grandfather
          Dad and mom go to visit us.
          It has become fashionable one
          Baby have everything
          And throw that old people.

          Chorus:
          I have no sister
          I don’t have a brother.
          They say that a lot of trouble with children.
          What will be on earth
          In the next hundred years,
          If the fashion for children will completely pass?

          Chocolate full house
          Marmalade full house
          Putting toys is nowhere to go for a long time.

          So I grow up happy
          A real dog was bought,
          He, of course, is very nice, but ...

          Chorus: repeated

          Grandma wants to knit,
          Grandpa wants to sleep,
          I am alone around the yard ...
          It’s a pity that without dads and moms
          Man cannot himself
          Have a brother or sister.

          What year is this song?
          Attention!
          This song is 1976 of the year ...
        2. dSK
          dSK 10 January 2018 09: 37
          17
          Hello Anatoly!
          Quote: Wend
          I have three children
          It is very good. Two are just a simple reproduction of the population.
          Who has benefited more than twice from Moscow’s expansion - Chinese builders or Russia? hi
          1. Vend
            Vend 10 January 2018 09: 40
            +2
            Quote: dsk
            Hello Anatoly!
            Quote: Wend
            I have three children
            It is very good. Two are just a simple reproduction of the population.
            Who has benefited more than twice from Moscow’s expansion - Chinese builders or Russia? hi

            Hello. Well, I think Russia. About Chinese construction companies in Moscow. I didn’t hear something.
            1. ando_bor
              ando_bor 10 January 2018 11: 00
              +1
              Quote: Wend
              About Chinese construction companies in Moscow. I didn’t hear something.

              Yes, partners hire blunt commentators, definitely Ukrainian, they know the language and are very cheap — there is no other job in Ukraine — either blame it, or crap on the net with State Department money.
              1. Vend
                Vend 10 January 2018 11: 32
                +2
                Quote: ando_bor
                Quote: Wend
                About Chinese construction companies in Moscow. I didn’t hear something.

                Yes, partners hire blunt commentators, definitely Ukrainian, they know the language and are very cheap — there is no other job in Ukraine — either blame it, or crap on the net with State Department money.

                Are you talking about me? My dear, you’d even look at my profile or something before writing nonsense. laughing
          2. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 10: 06
            10
            dSK
            Two of these are not reproduction, this is a decrease. The reproduction rate is higher, like 2,3 something, I don’t remember exactly. In general, it is desirable to have three children for simple reproduction.
            1. Alber
              Alber 10 January 2018 10: 58
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              Quote: Fat Penguin
              dSK
              Two of these are not reproduction, this is a decrease. The reproduction rate is higher, like 2,3 something, I don’t remember exactly. In general, it is desirable to have three children for simple reproduction.

              not less!
              and for good salvation of Russia if the average family will have at least 5 children.
              there is a war against Russia! and the most reliable weapon working for the future is 10 or more children per family. it saved Russia more than once.
              but of course, the "friends" of Russia amicably blame that this is utopia.
              Utopia is what is happening now! Russia is drowned in the literal sense of the word. and in the east of Ukraine they committed genocide to the Slavic people.
              only large families in the future will preserve the country's gene pool and descendants will be able to appreciate the contribution that large families made
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 17
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                Quote: Alber
                and for good salvation of Russia if the average family will have at least 5 children.
                Is it realistic to raise such a horde with a salary of 30-40 thousand rubles (I am already silent about 20-25 thousand in some regions) ?!
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 10 January 2018 13: 36
                  +8
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Is it really feasible to raise such a mob with a salary of 30-40 thousand rubles (I am already silent about 20-25 thousand in some regions) ?!

                  -In the Russian Empire, raised 7-10 children in the family. Over the past 22 years of the Empire, the population has grown by 50%-on the 60 (!) Million people- Faster than in China and much more.
                  But then, NONE one generation born after 1910 did NOT reproduce itself!
                  Russians are dying out with 1964 years
                  1. Saburov
                    Saburov 10 January 2018 16: 28
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    -In the Russian Empire-raised by 7-10 children in the family. Over the last 22 of the last year of the Empire, the population grew by 50% —on 60 (!) Million people — faster than in China and much more.
                    But then, NONE one generation born after 1910 did NOT reproduce itself!
                    Russians are dying since 1964


                    Olgovich, stop poisoning these monarchy tales! First, in the Republic of Ingushetia, a large number of children were explained by several reasons, namely, high infant mortality at an early age (Sanitary statistics E.A. Osipov, P.I. Kurkin 1908-1913) For example, the infant mortality rate for 100 children under 1 according to the archives and statistical collections of N.A. Rubakin “Russia in Figures” (St. Petersburg, edition of the 1912 of the year) was dying from 23 to 30 children. Or for example, if you pick up the archives of the Moscow province in TsGAMO, then from the reports of the medical inspection we will find out that there were only 10000 doctors on the 2 thousand of the population and those were mainly in the city. Secondly, there was a high mortality rate and the risk of injury among the working population, for elementary reasons of the lack of safety equipment and drunkenness. Since the state had the largest income from the sale of vodka (Wine Monopoly or the Drunken Budget among the people)

                    (Novoselsky S.A. "Mortality and life expectancy in Russia", (Petrograd, Printing house of the Ministry of the Interior, 1916 year). In three of these, a large number of children were explained by the lack of money, there was simply no way to hire workers, so all children even plowed in the family But even a large number of children did not save from poverty and hunger, since the dull-headed government of our last tsar pursued a policy of protectionism, exporting all grain for sale abroad, since RI didn’t produce a damn and the budget had to be filled with something. , In the XX century, 1901 / 02 were hungry, 1905; 1906; 1907; 1908; 1911 / 12. In 1901-1902, 49 provinces starved, in 1905; 1906; 1907; 1908. Before 19 provinces, in 29-1911 in 1912 years, 2 provinces starved to death. 60 million people were on the verge of death. According to various estimates, in 30-1901 years, about 1912 million people died from hunger and its consequences. the government was most concerned about how to conceal the extent of hunger strikes. In the press, censorship forbade the use of the word hunger, replacing it with the word "infirmity." Nicholas II sharply curtailed the rights of zemstvos to combat hunger, and in 8 and 1911 completely prohibited the participation of zemstvos, the Red Cross, and charitable organizations in helping the starving. And he issued a decree “On the preparation of bread from bard and straw flour as one that can replace the use of ordinary bread” (N. A. Rubakin “Russia in Figures” St. Petersburg, 1912 edition of the year)


                    In the fourth, for example, the average working-class family of 4 people in St. Petersburg spent about 1912 rubles in 750 in the year. in year. At the same time, food expenses amounted to 100% of the salary of the head of the family of 4 people, and, as a rule, everyone worked, including children. Of the remaining amount, up to 45% went to pay for housing, up to 25% - for clothes and shoes. S.Yu. Witte said at a meeting of ministers 17 on March 1899 held under the chairmanship of Nicholas II and discussing the foundations of the current commercial and industrial policy in Russia, he said: “If we compare our consumption in Europe, the average per capita in Russia will be the fourth or a fifth of what is recognized in other countries as necessary for ordinary existence. " (“Statistical Yearbooks of Russia” edited by the Director of the Central Statistical Committee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs N.N. Belyavsky for 1908-1913)

                    And finally, in order not to continue to carry nonsense about demography, open the demographic directory for starters.
                    1897 - 128 640 000 people RI
                    1913 - 165 300 000 people RI
                    1926 - 148 656 000 people the USSR
                    1937 - 163 800 000 people the USSR
                    1939 - 170 557 000 people the USSR
                    1941 - 195 222 000 people the USSR
                    1946 - 172 000 000 people the USSR
                    1959 - 208,800 000 people the USSR
                    1970 - 241 720 000 people the USSR
                    1989 - 286 700 000 people the USSR
                    1991 - 293 047 571 people the USSR

                    PS Shiz mows our ranks mercilessly!
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 11 January 2018 11: 04
                      +3
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Olgovich, stop poisoning these monarchy tales!
                      This is TRUTH, my friend! Which you refute -NOT able! It is also true that the Russian Cross was built with you.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      According to various estimates in 1901-1912 years. about 8 million people died from hunger and its consequences.

                      Stop raving - these figures are even Soviet propagandists were ashamed to print-NO documents
                      But almost 10% of the country's population, starved to death with you- with unheard-of corporeality and cannibalism in Russia - FACT documentary

                      Quote: Saburov
                      Shiza mows our ranks mercilessly!

                      Here, I AGREE:: YOUR ranks she mows mercilessly. yes . It’s good that there are fewer and fewer rows: the propaganda machine that created you has disappeared.
                      But you hold on there! hi
                      1. Saburov
                        Saburov 11 January 2018 18: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        This is TRUTH, my friend! Which you refute -NOT able! It is also true that the Russian Cross was built with you.


                        This is the truth of your sick imagination and monarchist writers suffering from nostalgia for the French bun and slaves. If you want to refute, please refer to the source, archive, register and fund.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Stop raving - these figures are even Soviet propagandists were ashamed to print-NO documents


                        I brought you the documents. You are again carrying unproven nonsense. Once again for the slow-witted. The publishing year is pre-revolutionary.

                        E.A. Osipov, Sanitary status of Russia according to demography, Russian Zemstvo medicine, E.A. Osipov, N.V. Popov and P.I. Kurkin, M., 1899, p. 36-37
                        S. L. Novoselsky, Review of the most important data on the demography and sanitary statistics of Russia, Pg., 1916, p. 6-37.
                        Statistical Yearbook of Russia for the 1914 year, PG., 1914, p. 2.
                        Overview of the most important data on demography and sanitary statistics of Russia: Calendar for doctors at 1916, part II, Pg., 1916
                        V.A. Plandovsky, National Census, St. Petersburg, 1898, p. 245-248
                        Novoselsky S.A. "Mortality and life expectancy in Russia", Petrograd, Printing house of the Ministry of the Interior, 1916 year.
                        S.A. Novoselsky, On the issue of reducing mortality and fertility in Russia, St. Petersburg, 1914
                        Statistical Yearbook of Russia for 1913, St. Petersburg, 1914
                        Statistical Yearbook for 1916, PG., 1918, p. 83
                        A.G. Rashin Population of Russia for 100 years (1813 - 1913)
                        Statistical essays.

                        If this will not be enough for you, I can give you a couple of hundred documents from the GARF and the Central Asian Air Force.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        But almost 10% of the country's population who died of starvation in your presence, with unheard-of corporeality and cannibalism in Russia -FACT documentary


                        Please links and documents to this "FACT". Or will you merge again?

                        Although you can very easily check it by looking at the numbers in the demographics

                        1926 - 148 656 000 people the USSR
                        1937 - 163 800 000 people the USSR
                        1939 - 170 557 000 people the USSR

                        For example, I know about the causes of famine in the USSR. Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of December 14 of 1932 "On grain procurement in Ukraine, the North Caucasus and the Western Region." The famine of 1932 of the year had practically no effect on demography. Let us turn to demography and compare the censuses of the USSR of the 1926 and 1959 years. Between them there was precisely this famine and war. The population of the Ukrainian SSR in the 1926 year was 29 million people, and in the 1959 year - 37 million people. Consequently, around the time of Stalin’s reign, Ukrainians increased by 37 - 29 = 8 million people. It turns out that even hunger and the Great Patriotic War did not lead to a loss of population of Soviet Ukraine. Consequently, the Holodomor is demographically negligible. He was inflated, as if from a molehill. Although no one denied or hid the fact of hunger, because it was a problem of the entire state and it was solved.

                        Cereals:

                        1913 - 92,5 million tons of grain RI
                        1940 - 95,6 million tons of grain of the USSR
                        1960 - 125,5 million tons of grain of the USSR
                        1986 - 210,0 million tons of grain of the USSR

                        Cattle:

                        1916 - 58.4 million heads of RI
                        1928 - 70,5 million heads of the USSR
                        1967 - 97.1 million heads of the USSR
                        1980 - 115,1 million heads of the USSR

                        And in general, where do the claims of the monarchists come from that the Russian Empire produced more grain than other countries combined? After all, the USA produced 96 million tons of grain in the 1913 year - more than Russia. In total production, RI was in the 2 place after the United States, and per capita production put it in the 5 place. If we take European countries, as well as Australia and Canada, then Russia was thrown into the 2 ten and even lower. It is necessary to pay attention to the figures characterizing the production of grain per capita. England, France, Germany, producing grain of less than 500 kg per capita, were its importers. USA, Canada, Argentina, producing 800-1200 kg of grain per capita exported it. And only RI, producing less than 500 kg (the norm of self-sufficiency in production grain) of grain per capita, exported it.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Here, I AGREE:: YOUR ranks she mows mercilessly. . It’s good that there are fewer and fewer rows: the propaganda machine that created you has disappeared.
                        But you hold on there!


                        No arguments, push on the eye?
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 12 January 2018 07: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: Saburov
                      It's true your sick imagination and monarchy writers suffering from nostalgia for the French bun and slaves. If you want to disprove, links to the source please archive, register and fund.

                      To refute yourself? belay What's wrong with you? fool Or, please, write in Russian.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      I brought you the documents. You are again carrying unproven nonsense. Once again for the slow-witted. The publishing year is pre-revolutionary.

                      Yes, you are just a dull liar: where is the document of 8 million starvation in 1902-11? lol
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Please links and documents to this "FACT". Or will you merge again?

                      The statement of the State Duma is 7 million people who were victims of hunger, 5 million in 1921-22, 1,5 million 46-48. Dying of hunger and in 1924-25, 35 years (reference NKVD)
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Although the fact of hunger no one denied or hidbecause it was a problem of the whole state and it was solved.

                      For the first time it is said in 1989, comrade illiterate false propaganda. In 1933, in 1934, at the congress of the "winners" (70% fortunately killed), not a single one even remembered.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Hunger fanned like an elephant

                      7 million fly victims ?! Are you human at all? request
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Cattle:
                      1916 - 58.4 million heads of RI
                      1928 - 70,5 million heads of the USSR
                      1967 - 97.1 million heads of the USSR

                      The 28th year is the NEP, not the Communists. Give data for 33, 37, 52 g - this is a complete hole. Consumption before 1950s of products is BELOW than in 1913 (Report by the CSB). Shame ...
                      Quote: Saburov
                      No arguments, push on the eye?

                      Squinted, however, Yours ranks schiza-you are right. lol hi
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                      2. Saburov
                        Saburov 12 January 2018 20: 44
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        To refute yourself? What's wrong with you? Or, please, write in Russian.


                        Actually, the sentences must be read to the end in order to understand.

                        Quote: Saburov
                        If you want to refute, please refer to the source, archive, register and fund.


                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Yes, you are just a dull liar: where is the document of 8 million starvation in 1902-11?


                        Are you normal Or do you just need to blurt out something in return? Once again for you!

                        Quote: Saburov
                        E.A. Osipov, Sanitary status of Russia according to demography, Russian Zemstvo medicine, E.A. Osipov, N.V. Popov and P.I. Kurkin, M., 1899, p. 36-37
                        S. L. Novoselsky, Review of the most important data on the demography and sanitary statistics of Russia, Pg., 1916, p. 6-37.
                        Statistical Yearbook of Russia for the 1914 year, PG., 1914, p. 2.
                        Overview of the most important data on demography and sanitary statistics of Russia: Calendar for doctors at 1916, part II, Pg., 1916
                        V.A. Plandovsky, National Census, St. Petersburg, 1898, p. 245-248
                        Novoselsky S.A. "Mortality and life expectancy in Russia", Petrograd, Printing house of the Ministry of the Interior, 1916 year.
                        S.A. Novoselsky, On the issue of reducing mortality and fertility in Russia, St. Petersburg, 1914
                        Statistical Yearbook of Russia for 1913, St. Petersburg, 1914
                        Statistical Yearbook for 1916, PG., 1918, p. 83
                        A.G. Rashin Population of Russia for 100 years (1813 - 1913)
                        Statistical essays.


                        In an extreme case, if you lack the desire to study history in archives, and not in bikes. You can take a look at such a publication "Pyotr Arkadyevich Stolypin. Complete collection of speeches in the State Duma and the State Council." (1906-1911). Everything about hunger is also described very well there, if I am not mistaken, the speech for the 1911 year.

                        There is even documentary evidence of this fact.






                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Statement by Gosuma-7 million people of the victims of hunger, 5 million in 1921-22, 1,5 million 46-48.


                        State Duma statement? Ours? Which boards of honor are hung to Kolchak, and to Solzhenitsyn? Do not make me laugh.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Dying of hunger and in 1924-25, 35 years (NKVD certificates)


                        What help? Form, reference number, for which year and in what fund is stored? Please give the data, otherwise it seems to me that these certificates are again your inventions.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        For the first time it is said in 1989, comrade illiterate false propaganda. In 1933, in 1934- at the congress of "winners" (killed, fortunately by 70%) - not a single one even remembered.


                        If at first you had studied at least the topics of the congress, then you would not have carried nonsense as usual.

                        The theme of hunger was raised at the XVII Congress of the CPSU (B.) Several times.
                        Report of the Central Auditing Commission (M.F. Vladimirsky)
                        The plan of the second five-year plan (V. M. Molotov and V. V. Kuybyshev)
                        Organizational matters (party and Soviet construction) (L. M. Kaganovich)

                        As a result, the following documents were adopted:

                        About the second five-year plan for the development of the national economy of the USSR (1933 — 1937 gg.)
                        The program for completing the technical reconstruction of the entire national economy and production growth in the second five-year period, submitted by the USSR State Planning Commission and adopted by the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, was approved.
                        The liquidation of capitalist elements and classes in general, the final liquidation, on the basis of the complete completion of the collectivization of peasant farms and the cooperation of all artisans, private ownership of the means of production; the elimination of the multistructure economy of the Soviet Union and the establishment of a socialist mode of production as the only mode of production, with the transformation of the entire working population of the country into active and conscious builders of a socialist society.


                        Quote: Olgovich
                        7 million fly victims ?! Are you human at all?


                        Did you read this from Wikipedia? Link to these 7 millions Published in the journal "Domestic Archives" No. 2 (2009 g.) In the journal! Not in the archives, but in the magazine! And all references to sources do not have a single archival document at the base, but all post-Soviet journals, and the speculations of some especially gifted. Moreover, even these “publishers” cannot even confirm their own “numbers”, since at least the documents of the deceased are required for this. Documents relating to the famine of the 1932 — 1933 years are still stamped in the GARF. I’m telling you this as a doctor.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        28 year is the NEP, not the Communists. Give data for 33, 37, 52 r is a complete hole.


                        Yes please:

                        1933 - 38,3 million heads of the USSR
                        1946 - 47.6 million heads of the USSR
                        1952 - 58.8 million heads of the USSR

                        And you do not take into account the fact that there were several epidemics between 1928 and 1933. And plus to this, nobody really was engaged in vaccination and prevention of cattle diseases, everyone was busy with the ideas of the world revolution. A crop failure, for example, of grain, causes more substantial losses, not only in bread, but also in meat and milk.



                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Consumption of up to 1950 products — BELOW than in 1913 (CSB Report). Shame ...


                        Again report? What year? Report number? Document form? Where to look?
                        Yeah, half the country in 1913 did not even see meat, and you say "BELOW" than in 1950.

                        There are documents on this subject.

                        “Statistical Yearbooks of Russia” (edited by Director of the Central Statistical Committee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs NN Belyavsky) for 1908-1913 Yearbooks of World Statistics S. Zapa “Socio-Political Tables of All Countries of the World” by the Cooperation Publishing House Moscow. 1908-1913 g. Sanitary statistics E.A. Osipov, P.I. Kurkin 1908-1913.
                        Russia. From the Ninth to the Nineteenth Century. New York, 1964, p. 286, Miller M. The Economic Development of Russia, 1905 — 1914. With special reference to Trade, Industry and Finance. London, 1967, p. Xnumx

                        And leave your monarchy tales for friends.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Squinted, however, your ranks schiza-you are right.


                        I understand you balabol old man. You won’t get any links or documents due to their absence in nature.
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 13 January 2018 08: 32
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                      Quote: Saburov
                      Actually, the sentences must be read to the end in order to understand.

                      Please write in Russian.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Are you normal Or do you just need to blurt out something in return? Once again for you!
                      Quote: Saburov
                      E.A. Osipov, Sanitary status of Russia according to demography, Russian Zemstvo medicine, E.A. Osipov, N.V. Popov and P.I. Kurkin, M., 1899, p. 36-37

                      Once again for the tanker: there is NO mention of deaths from starvation 8 million people in 1902-11 years. (Which you claimed). By the way, Osipov’s book is 1899, and he writes, is he about ... 1911? WRITTEN WITHOUT .... And nowhere, even in owls. propaganda of such books.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Everything about hunger is also described very well there, if I am not mistaken, the speech for 1911.
                      There is even documentary evidence of this fact.

                      Lies. -NO words about millions of starvation from Stolypin, no .. As there is not a single document about cannibalism, carnivore, eating children in the Republic of Ingushetia, but there are a lot of such documents - from 1921 to 1947.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      State Duma statement? Ours? Which boards of honor are hung to Kolchak, and to Solzhenitsyn? Do not make me laugh.

                      A commission of reputable scientists worked on the basis of archives. Funny, for the time being, you are the one who refutes her verbatim.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      If at first you had studied at least the topics of the congress, then you would not have carried nonsense as usual.
                      The theme of hunger was raised at the XVII Congress of the CPSU (B.) Several times. Report of the Central Auditing Commission (M.F. Vladimirsky)

                      Falsehood - THERE are no words about hunger in this report, and it couldn’t be.
                      About the report of Kaganovich, again a dumb lie, not a word about hunger, not a word about the CATASTROPHE. Aren't you ashamed to LIE all the time?
                      QUOTES ON HUNGER, by the way, bring from the speech of the Leaders, Vatsetis, Kosior, (the leaders of the regions where people have died in millions, cannibalism and food shortage. One chatter about success ..
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Yes please:
                      1933, 47 g - 38,3 million heads of the USSR

                      В TWICE less than in 1928 and 1913 - disgraceful disgrace
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Again report? What year? Report number? Document form? Where to look?

                      Report of the Central Statistical Bureau to Bulganin Top Secret !, 1955, Istmat
                      Quote: Saburov
                      I understand you balabol old man. You won’t get any links or documents due to their absence in nature.

                      You have a primitive silly trick, designed for believing witnesses of Bolshevism: write YOUR nonsense and to it, a bunch of ALIEN links, in which, when checking, this nonsense does not exist. On what you are caught.
                      Funny you ... laughing
                      1. Saburov
                        Saburov 14 January 2018 23: 32
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Please write in Russian.


                        And here is something not clear?

                        Quote: Saburov
                        If you want to refute, please refer to the source, archive, register and fund.


                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Once again for the tanker: there is NO mention of deaths from starvation 8 million people in 1902-11 years. (Which you claimed). By the way, Osipov’s book is 1899, and he writes, is he about ... 1911? WRITTEN WITHOUT .... And nowhere, even in owls. propaganda of such books.


                        Of course not, unless you read them. You can also take an article from Wikipedia with links to magazines and pass it off as truth. For the gifted:

                        To begin with, even famous writers and rural doctors have notes of those years about hunger and poverty.

                        As L.N. wrote Tolstoy:
                        We, adults, if we are not crazy, can seemingly understand where the famine comes from. First of all, he - and every man knows this - he
                        1) from the shortage of land, because half of the land is from landowners and merchants who trade both land and bread.
                        2) from factories and plants with those laws under which the capitalist is fenced, but the worker is not protected.
                        3) from vodka, which is the main income of the state and to which the people have been accustomed for centuries.
                        4) from the soldiery who selects the best people from him in the best time and corrupts them.
                        5) from officials who oppress the people.
                        6) from taxes.
                        7) from ignorance in which government and church schools consciously support it.

                        As M.O. wrote Menshikov is a public figure, one of the ideologists of the Russian nationalist movement:
                        Stop, gentlemen, to deceive yourself and play tricks with reality! Is it true that purely zoological circumstances, such as a lack of food, clothing, fuel and basic culture, do not mean anything for the Russian common people? But they are reflected very expressively on the human-type weight loss in Great Russia, Belarus and Little Russia. It is the zoological unit - the Russian people in many places are embraced by grinding and degeneration, which forced in our memory to lower the rate twice when recruiting new recruits. Even a hundred and a few years ago, the tallest army in Europe - the current Russian army is already the shortest, and a terrifying percentage of recruits have to be rejected for service. Does this “zoological” fact really mean nothing? Does nothing really mean our shameful, nowhere to be seen infant mortality, in which the vast majority of the living masses do not live to a third of the human age?

                        Alexander Engelhardt - Russian publicist-populist and agricultural chemist:
                        Children eat worse than calves from a host with good livestock. The mortality of children is much greater than the mortality of calves, and if a host with good livestock had mortality of calves as high as that of a man, then it would be impossible to host ... If mothers ate better, if ours wheat, which the German eats, remained at home, then the children would grow better and there would be no such mortality, all these typhus, scarlet fever, diphtheria would not rage. Selling our wheat to a German, we sell our blood, that is, peasant children.

                        At practicing doctors:
                        Very vividly describes the state of the village and the village of L. N. Liperovsky.
                        Life and work in the villages of the Buzuluk district of Samara Bay. 1912

                        In newspapers:
                        For example, find the ISKRA magazine in the Russian Word newspaper. No. 37, Sunday, 25 of September 1911 (Especially for you with illustrations).

                        In the archives: State Archive of the Russian Federation (GARF) (list of archival funds):

                        519 Foundation (All-Russian Peasant Union. 1902-1917).
                        246. 17 Foundation (Provincial Statistical Committee)
                        Documentary Materials Fund.1.Published 2.1 sources. Newspapers and magazines. 2.1.1. Newspapers are pre-revolutionary.
                        102 Foundation. (State Police Department of the Ministry of the Interior) Op. 245 (Special Division. 1898-1917).
                        242 Foundation (Volost Zemstvo Administrations)
                        There are a couple of hundred data funds. But for you they are, that for the ram a new gate.

                        Photos from the archives:






                        In publications:
                        Novoselsky SL. Overview of the most important data on demography and sanitary statistics of Russia. SPb., 1916. - 94s
                        Statistical Yearbook of Russia (for 1904-1915) St. Petersburg, 1905-1916
                        Peasant Russia: Sat articles on socio-political and economic issues. Prague, 1922. - 122s
                        A.G. Rashin Population of Russia for 100 years (1813 - 1913)
                        According to the dictionary of Brockhaus and Efron:
                        During the twentieth century. Samara province went hungry eight times, Saratov nine. Over the past 30 years, the largest hunger strikes have taken place in the 1880 g. (Lower Volga region, part of the lakeside and Novorossiysk provinces) and the 1885 g. (Novorossiya and part of the non-chernozem provinces from Kaluga to Pskov); then, after the famine of 1891, the famine of 1892 in the central and southeastern provinces, the hunger strike of 1897 and 1898. approximately in the same area; in the twentieth century. the famine of 1901 in 17 provinces of the center, south and east, the hunger strike of 1905 g. (22 of the province, including four non-chernozem provinces, Pskov, Novgorod, Vitebsk, Kostroma), which opens up a number of hunger strikes: 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1911 . (mainly eastern, central provinces, Novorossia)
                        You can find the rest yourself, since there is enough information about this.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Lies. -NO words about millions who died of starvation at Stolypin-no.


                        If you do not read it AT ALL, then of course not!
                        1911 year ... Does the State Duma debate in a noisy manner about the obstacles allegedly posed by the local administration to those who went to provide food assistance to the starving - the answer comes by itself, simple and natural. Shouting about a philanthropic goal, one cannot confuse a government that knows what it wants: “how ridiculous it would be to put an obstacle on private persons in the area of ​​helping the hungry, it was just as criminal to be inactive in relation to people who hide behind charity for illegal purposes ..
                        1906 year ... Responding to a request from the State Duma to provide assistance to the starving and touching upon for the first time this issue of enormous national importance, I must note that this year we are faced with the need to spend enormous funds from the national budget to help victims of crop failure and hunger.
                        1907 year ... I think that the peasants cannot but wish to resolve the issue that is closest and most painful for them. I think that landowners cannot but wish to have their neighbors calm and happy people instead of starving and rioters ...
                        (Petr Arkadyevich Stolypin. Complete collection of speeches in the State Duma and the State Council)

                        There is also such a one from Stolypin’s report (although the source of it, as it was found, is the Bolshevik Pravda newspaper, an organ of the CPSU (b):
                        ... In the winter of 1900 — 1901. 42 million people were starving, and 2 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls died of them. ” And in 1911, “32 million was starving, the loss of 1 million, 613 thousand people ...
                        Although there are some references to the source: P.A. Stolypin and about him.
                        Stolypin P.A. Correspondence. M. Rosspan, 2004.
                        II. The highest reports and circular letters P.A. Stolypin

                        PS By the way, the expression "Undereat, but exported" belongs to the Minister of Finance of the Government of Alexander the Third, Vyshnegradsky, by the way, a major mathematician. When the director of the department of inconsistent fees A. S. Ermolov handed Vyshnegradsky a memorandum in which he wrote about the “terrible sign of hunger,” the intelligent mathematician then responded. And then he repeated it more than once.
                    4. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 15 January 2018 10: 12
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                      Quote: Saburov
                      And here is something not clear?

                      You offered to refute ... yourself. In Russian to state their so-called "thoughts" - learn.
                      Quote: Saburov
                      Of course not, unless you read them.

                      You are a "reader" noble: found in the book of Osipov for 1899 g - data on the death of millions from starvation for ... 1901-1911. You are in a deep, um, puddle. lol
                      Quote: Saburov
                      To begin with, even famous writers and rural doctors have notes of those years about hunger and poverty.

                      Op-pa: slipped from starvation to idle chatter about "notes" about poverty. lol
                      Dear man, there were poor barren hungry people in Russia, but there were NOT DEATH and HUMAN EATING with corpse eating as you were!
                      Quote: Saburov
                      You can find the rest yourself, good information on this occasion enough.

                      Enough, yes: no data on the millions of deaths from starvation in 1900-11, which you claimed is NO.
                      And stop this awkward technique: confirm your nonsense with sheets of links, somewhere words about your nonsense
                      Quote: Saburov
                      There is also such a one from the report of Stolypin (Although the source of it, as it was found, is the newspaper "Bolshevik Truth", organ of the CPSU (b):
                      ... in the winter 1900-1901 years 42 million people were starving, while 2 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls died of them. ” And in 1911, “32 million were starving, losses of 1 million 613 thousand people ...

                      The idots who wrote this fake did not even know that the famine was in winter 1901-1902 years, due to a crop failure of 1901, so in the winter of 1900-901 it was not there.
                      Therefore this, um, organ, lol , you can use it only: you yourself have invented, you are referring yourself fool
                      Quote: Saburov
                      . By the way, the expression "Undereat, but exported" belongs to the Minister of Finance of the Government of Alexander the Third, Vyshnegradsky, by the way, a major mathematician.

                      Vyshnegradsky never said this: for the first time this expression appeared AFTER his death.

                      How is it, incidentally, with the reports of Kaganovich about the 1932 famine of 33 g at the 17th Congress, about which you argued? There's no such thing. You are a liar.
                      And the report of the revision committee of the 17th congress on hunger? There's no such thing. You are a liar.
                      And the meat abundance of 33g, compared with 1913 about which you approved? There wasn’t, you are a liar.
                      One lie in everything. Like all 70 years.
                      And this is the village of Galkino, near Vladimir, 1912 year. hi
                      1. Saburov
                        Saburov 15 January 2018 17: 12
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        About the report of Kaganovich, again a dumb lie, not a word about hunger, not a word about the CATASTROPHE. Aren't you ashamed to LIE all the time?


                        Let's move on.
                        Quote from an interview with G. A. Kumanev (tape recording):
                        G. A. Kumanev: Lazar Moiseevich, of course, you remember two very difficult years at the dawn of Soviet power: the 1932 and 1933. The food crisis in the country ...
                        L. M. Kaganovich: Yes, yes ...
                        G. A. Kumanev: And now they believe that up to 5 million peasants, and only in Ukraine, then died of starvation. How do you feel about this figure?
                        L. M. Kaganovich: This is a lie, a lie.
                        G. A. Kumanev: One English historian, his last name Conquest, wrote a book about this time. He called her "Hunger." He deduced the numbers - 3 – 5 million.
                        L. M. Kaganovich: Everyone invents it. The hunger was from malnutrition, it was bad with sowing. In the first place among the causes of this famine is anti-collective farm resistance, sabotage and sabotage, which did not allow carrying out agricultural work as expected.
                        G. A. Kumanev: But there is one more reason for the famine: the country's leadership deliberately sharply increased the export of our bread. You peasants, they say, do not enter collective farms, so die of hunger.
                        L. M. Kaganovich: The export of bread was, of course. It's right. After all, it was necessary to pay both machine tools and imported equipment. Had to sell paintings. They took out bread and stubble, and different vodka. Everything that could be sold was exported in order to get out of the situation. Otherwise, one could get into bondage with Western bankers. And abandon the construction of socialism, abandon the construction of new factories, and reconstruction of the country. How else? We had to go for it. If we did not go for it, our country would roll back hundreds of years ago. The situation would be much worse than during the Tatar-Mongol invasion.

                        From the report (XVII Congress of the CPSU (B.), Meeting of February 6 1934, morning):

                        ... In agriculture, organizational issues, due to the lack of experience in organizing large-scale production, are much more acute than in other sectors of the economy ...
                        ... Industrial workers, where there is already a solid staffing base, could, with an attentive approach, study a number of fairly good examples of labor organization and enterprise management both in the USSR and abroad. In the field of agriculture, we do not have this. In agriculture, we met with a completely new form of agriculture, with new equipment, and we have to start resolving organizational issues from the very beginning.
                        ... And 1933 was a year of organized struggle against gravity, a year of tremendous growth in the organizational role of our party and the proletariat in the countryside ...
                        ... Each of these departments concentrates in its jurisdiction a whole range of issues related to this crop, such as: sowing issues, distribution of tractors, spare parts, agricultural machinery, pest control, etc. Does your local comrade know what OBV is? ... This is a pest control association. But before fighting pests in agriculture, it would be necessary to break down the existing conscious or unconscious wrecking in the pest control association itself ...
                        ... This year, the whole party and its Central Committee were engaged in agriculture. The party will continue to do this, the party will hold the commanding heights of agriculture in its hands, the party will organize collective and state farms. But keep in mind that solutions to practical economic operational issues must be provided with the work of the People's Commissariat of Agriculture. It is impossible to tolerate that there is a huge land apparatus, eating up millions and hundreds of millions of rubles and working, at best, half wasted. This party will not allow it. Land workers must decisively restructure. In particular, comrade Yakovlev must learn serious lessons for himself, take lessons from them not by external, ostentatious "decisiveness", but by rough work, getting into practice for real ...
                        ... The Central Committee, members of the Politburo, the leader of our party, Comrade Stalin, criticize the People’s Commissariat not to leave everything as it was after the congress. Either you will be able to mobilize the truly apparatus of the entire People's Commissariat, hundreds of thousands of people in order to fulfill the task of the parties, or it will be done by the party through your head ...
                        ... Take the regional and regional links of the apparatus of the People's Commissariat of Education - regional and regional. Thousands of people work there. And how many people are there involved in animal husbandry of collective farms and collective farmers? At best, dozens. And this despite the fact that 85-80% of the total livestock is concentrated on collective farms. The situation in the People's Commissariat is not better. I must say that in the field of animal husbandry, our land authorities limited their work only to general instructions, general instructions. The Ukrainian proverb about a cow is fully applicable to them: "Mumbles, not calves." People moo, you can’t say that they do not moo, but they did not smack, practically did not organize things. Agro-technical service delivered poorly. See what happens to livestock personnel. In 15 the most important areas of 3540 livestock specialists in the regional apparatus are concentrated 2600, in the regional one - 300, on state farms - 160 and not a single livestock specialist on collective farms. This situation must be drastically changed. In the field of livestock, we must reorganize organizationally ...
                        ... As for state farms, their lag in agricultural work was largely due to poor mastery of the equipment and cumbersome state farms.

                        PS In general, when in my head there are ruddy schoolgirls and a crunch of French rolls, then there are not enough brains to analyze and parse documents.
                      2. Saburov
                        Saburov 15 January 2018 17: 35
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You are a "reader" noble: you found in Osipov’s book for 1899 r - data on the death of millions from starvation for ... 1901-1911. You are in a deep, um, puddle.


                        Are you normal Sanitary statistics E.A. Osipov, P.I. Kurkin 1908-1913 year! You didn’t even bother to look at the year of publication.
                        I gave you the data Russian zemstvo medicine, E.A. Osipov, N.V. Popov and P.I. Kurkin, M., 1899, p. 36-37 (even signed the page) so that you can compare the data with your tin head and understand where the legs from hunger grow in RI. Since RI in the nineteenth century. survived about 40 hunger strikes. And tell me for what reasons Nicholas II sharply curtailed the rights of the Zemstvos to combat hunger, and in 1911 and 1912 completely prohibited the participation of Zemstvos, the Red Cross and charitable organizations in helping the starving?
                        Here is a document for you (photocopy of the original) REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE TOBOL LOCAL GOVERNANCE OF THE RUSSIAN SOCIETY OF THE RED CROSS FOR THE 1912 YEAR. (https://www.prlib.ru/item/355936)
                        Look at the data on the purchase of food for medical and nutritional assistance and help to the starving! If you have enough patience, you can look at the provinces and provinces. The exact same picture.

                        PS Honestly tired of you as a schoolboy chewing everything. If you don’t even read or even look at the documents, what can I do? I gave you the data with links and documents. You put me your ridiculous conclusions and did not bring a single document against! What could be the dialogue with such an "opponent"? RUDDEN GYMNASISTS AND CRUNCH OF THE FRENCH BUN! And slippers for the icon with the king!
                    5. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 15 January 2018 17: 28
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                      Quote: Saburov
                      In general, when in my head there are ruddy schoolgirls and a crunch of French rolls, then there are not enough brains to analyze and parse documents.

                      At Kaganovich's REPORT in 1934 at the congress- NOT A WORD on hunger. You lied again.
                      Summary: Your statements on:
                      -8 million starvation 1901-1911- a lie,
                      about Stolypin’s speech about death, a lie,
                      -about the discussion at the 17 congress (34 g) of the hunger and deaths of the 1933 year-a lie,
                      - meat meat 1933 g compared to 1913 - false.
                      Crunch further with the sand of rotten and holey kommfalshivok - like all sand crunches: it's easier to live than to know the truth.
                      On this all-you do not know anything new and uninteresting. hi
                      1. Saburov
                        Saburov 15 January 2018 20: 02
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        At Kaganovich's REPORT in 1934 at the congress- NOT A WORD on hunger. You lied again.
                        Summary: Your statements on:
                        -8 million starvation 1901-1911- a lie,
                        about Stolypin’s speech about death, a lie,
                        -about the discussion at the 17 congress (34 g) of the hunger and deaths of the 1933 year-a lie,
                        - meat meat 1933 g compared to 1913 - false.
                        Crunch further with the sand of rotten and holey kommfalshivok - like all sand crunches: it's easier to live than to know the truth.
                        On this all-you do not know anything new and uninteresting.


                        Denials to the studio! Only in the form of DOCUMENTS!
                        No rebuttal, no dialogue. Your "conclusions" to anything!

                        Start reading already, and not push your horns against your monarchy.

                        They study history from archives and documents, and not from monarchy tales and "beautiful" stories from magazines and articles. (Especially from LiveJournal).
                  2. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 10 January 2018 17: 59
                    +6
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Russians are dying since 1964

                    I used to think ... after the first World and Second ... these two wars mowed down the male population of the country and very much. That is why we have a ratio of men to women, something in the region is one man for 3 women, and in some regions it is vast and even more so. Plus, low salaries, high housing prices, and as a result of more than one child or two, the Russians do not want to start ... but in order to rectify the situation, at least 3 children in each family are needed.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 11 January 2018 11: 09
                      +4
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      think earlier ... after the first World and Second

                      This is what statics says. They gave birth in the villages, and they barbarously threw the village into the cellars, then into the virgin lands and factories into barracks.
                      What kind of children are there?
                2. fa2998
                  fa2998 10 January 2018 17: 17
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                  I think we need to stop the officials brazenly lying to the people! They report to each other about the average salary in the region, the country 30-40-50 thousand! Yes, some alone receive tens of millions, and a lot of people live on 10-15 thousand. It is NECESSARY TO COMBAT POVERTY AND POVERTY. All these payments — maternity capital, etc. — are a penny to provide for children.
                  Let's at least count, at least at the cost of living, up to 18 years
                  10000 × 12 × 18 = 2160 thousand rubles. Over 2 million, although the minimum wage is simply a mockery. People think how to live by themselves, and not produce poverty!
                  Not those who have millions give birth to children (their minority, and indeed many have their age). When tens of millions of citizens, the majority of the population, live on human terms, then we'll talk. That's when the incentives for parents come in handy. hi
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 10 January 2018 18: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: fa2998
                    .When tens of millions of citizens, the majority of the population, will live humanly, then we’ll talk. That's when the incentives for parents come in handy.
                    - only when there is money - a person does not multiply, it is proved by ALL human civilization. Countries where the standard of living is above average, give birth to one or two maximum
                    1. Antares
                      Antares 11 January 2018 12: 08
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                      Quote: your1970
                      Countries where the standard of living is above average, give birth to one or two maximum

                      the birth rate is not related to the average income of the family. The level of education of women and their degree of influence on the world economy through production and consumption (well, a little religion of traditions)
                      the better a woman in society, the better educated and in a prestigious job — the less she has a desire to even marry, and all the more so.
                      In the Russian Federation, the Soviet system gave all women an education, many higher. The degree of involvement in the production process is high.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 11 January 2018 12: 24
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                        Quote: Antares
                        the birth rate is not related to average family income.
                        I just didn’t say that, I said about the average standard of living in society.If the standard of living in a society of a certain group is white in the EU, USA, then the birth rate is lower, if we take the USA and the EU - and for example Latinos, then the average level is lower and the birth rate is higher than that of whites.
                        If the general standard of living is very low (as for example among peasants in the Republic of Ingushetia or now in Somalia), then the people begin to multiply like cockroaches ...

                        Golimaya physiology + wild desire to survive in a competitive environment = always prevails over well-fed and calmed ("a car, a career, a vacation to the Maldives, breasts droop, and so on.")
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 11 January 2018 19: 37
                    0
                    We have only two million working poor, we add families to them and we get 12 million - the remaining 8 million poor who?
                3. Svetlana Ivanova-NT
                  Svetlana Ivanova-NT 10 January 2018 18: 36
                  +1
                  What is that? The machine is in hand, as soon as it grows up in Syria, or in Ukraine. Let them grow and feed there.
      2. Sunjar
        Sunjar 10 January 2018 10: 31
        +3
        In fact, the population of Russia is larger than indicated in the stat. reporting. So in the settlement where I live and work, according to the census, the actual number of people living is almost underestimated by half. This is for each locality. That is, the census takers fulfilled their duties on ... in FIG. And I’m sure that our settlement is not an exception, and in cities the same thing is for sure.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 January 2018 10: 45
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          Quote: Sunjar
          In fact, the population of Russia is larger than indicated in the stat. reporting

          Absolute nonsense !!!
          I’ll make a repost
          Are you sure that the census will again not be stamped like it was in 2010?
          In fact, everything is simple! We take the census of the Soviet census of 1989, 147 mln. 400 thousand people. We take for 2010-October 14, 2010, the resident population of the Russian Federation amounted to 142,9 million people. Further, we “believe” the officer in the sources: According to the Rosstat operational data as of July 1, 2017: according to estimates, the resident population of the Russian Federation amounted to 146,8 million people.
          Do you believe in that nonsense that in the middle of the RSFSR, we are not fighting for only 600 thousand people?
          taking into account the fact that from the 92nd to the 2006th
          we lost an average of 800 thousand per year (birth rate - mortality) we do not take emigrants! (about 200-300 thousand per year)
          Those. over 14 years, about 10 million people !!!!!!!!
          Further, from 2006 to 2010 we lose another 1,5 million !!!! Total = 11,5 mil. Man !!!!
          Do you catch the point? About 11 million "dead souls" do not fight with official statistics !!! Gogol with his "poem" and Chichikov just smokes!
          and now the main thing is, given the positive migration growth in 2011, the population grew by 160.000 people.
          I hope you understand everything!
          There are "dead souls" who can "vote" if anything, there is a migration increase .., but there is a "vulture" in the 2010 census!
          1. Loess
            Loess 10 January 2018 11: 11
            +3
            Yes, they say in China about 1,5 billion almost 1bn "dead souls" and nothing ... live ...
          2. Vladimirsky
            Vladimirsky 10 January 2018 11: 38
            +7
            I won’t argue, but I’ve never had the opportunity to fill out a scribe's questionnaire in my life. Neither to me nor to family members.
            The census somehow passes by the family. And I think, not just past mine.
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 41
              11
              But did you get a passport? Did your children somehow register at birth? Etc. Statistics on the number of inhabitants can be obtained not only from the census.
              1. Vladimirsky
                Vladimirsky 10 January 2018 13: 33
                +1
                You are too high on our state machine. After the next census, these data that I once received a passport or a baby was born are void. If my family and I did not get into the census.
                Population is defined as the number of residents of a country or part of it based on census data, and between censuses, on the basis of current records of demographic events. To the population obtained on the basis of the results of the last census, those born and arrived on this territory are annually added and deceased and departed from this territory are deducted.
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 14: 38
                  0
                  Well, if this is the case, then maybe the people and more live with us than is considered ...
                  Maybe we are even more than the Chinese! :-)
          3. Sunjar
            Sunjar 11 January 2018 07: 23
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Absolute nonsense !!!
            I’ll make a repost


            smile I work in the administration of the settlement and it is not a problem to calculate how many people actually live. The settlement is not big. Once again I write that the results of the census are almost underestimated by the widow in relation to the actual number of residents. And I’m sure that in other places the census was no better.
            Your words are very subjective.
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 09: 53
              +2
              I do not understand ... In Russia, twice as many people live than are officially considered ??? I don’t enter, so to speak.
        2. Alber
          Alber 10 January 2018 10: 49
          10
          Quote: Sunjar
          In fact, the population of Russia is larger than indicated in the stat. reporting. So in the settlement where I live and work, according to the census, the actual number of people living is almost underestimated by half. This is for each locality. That is, the census takers fulfilled their duties on ... in FIG. And I’m sure that our settlement is not an exception, and in cities the same thing is for sure.

          bullshit!
          most likely the situation is even worse than official sources write ...
          drove last year in the semi-Russian outback. This is a complete booth!
          just KARAUL!
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 10 January 2018 10: 36
        +2
        Even more difficult times await Russia. Already, a landslide demographic pit is hardly blocked by immigrants from the former. THE USSR. But they already have a demographic decline. In a few years these countries will also face the same problem and there will be no surplus population. In addition, the cold climate of Russia scares away the same Indians and blacks.
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 11: 45
          +4
          In Canada, the climate of southern migrants does not scare away, but in Russia scares off? Think what you write. So in Russia there will be all the rules.
          Is there a demographic decline in Central Asia? Did not know :-)
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 19
            +3
            Quote: Fat Penguin
            In Canada, the climate of southern migrants does not deter
            Are there so many southern migrants in Canada compared to, for example, the warmer US ?! And then, the standard of living in Canada and Russia compared?
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 27
              +1
              As far as I heard, there are enough migrants from Asia in Canada. The conversation was about the climate, and not about the standard of living, the man wrote, in my opinion, complete nonsense.
              As for the standard of living in Russia, it is clearly higher than the Vietnamese, for example, so that you can attract migrants, there would be a desire.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 10 January 2018 13: 24
                +2
                You cited Canada as an example, and I tell you why it is chosen for immigration. Not at all because of the climate.
                Quote: Fat Penguin
                As for the standard of living in Russia, it is clearly higher than the Vietnamese, for example, so that you can attract migrants, there would be a desire.
                Not so much that the Vietnamese flocked here en masse. Russia is not considered and has never been considered over the hill an attractive country for life, even in socialist camp-friendly countries such as Vietnam. And, unlike Canada, in the case of Russia, the climate plays a much larger role, because, unlike Canada, it is not leveled by a high standard of living.
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 13: 57
                  0
                  You still separate the flies from cutlets, the climate is one thing, and the standard of living is another.
                  I don’t know how exactly at the moment, but a few years ago the Vietnamese were heading to Russia with might and main. In the same criminal news, they periodically showed the detention of Vietnamese illegal immigrants. But the Russian state did not support this migration in any way! And if the Russian state supports this migration? Then from there, from Vietnam, maybe millions will come to us.
                2. andj61
                  andj61 10 January 2018 15: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  You cited Canada as an example, and I tell you why it is chosen for immigration. Not at all because of the climate.

                  In Canada, 80 percent of the population lives in a strip 100-150 km wide along the US border. The climate there - as we have in the black earth zone, and maybe warmer - is much milder than even in Moscow. Remember the Olympics in Vancouver - in February it was up to + 15 and it was constantly raining. Toronto Montreal is even warmer. Africans and Asians go to these not very cold places. You can’t lure them a little north. In the north of Norway and Sweden, too, you will not especially find blacks. So climate also matters.
          2. Antares
            Antares 11 January 2018 12: 11
            0
            Quote: Fat Penguin
            In Canada, the climate of southern migrants does not scare away, but in Russia scares off?

            compare carefully - In Canada, the life belt is much south of the life belt of the Russian Federation.
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 13: 17
              +1
              Che, in Canada and the subtropics are, as in Russia?
              You don’t rinse the geographer’s brain, pajalast!
      4. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 10 January 2018 10: 53
        12
        With crystal clarity, it becomes obvious that the activities of humpbacked nits and fetid drunk ebna brought losses to the former USSR and Russia that were several times higher than losses in the Great Patriotic War! Liberasts, by virtue of their stupidity, can selflessly celebrate this Pyrrhic victory!
        It is even more obvious that the dirt that has now settled in the Kremlin and is dominated by Russia will not lift a finger for the prosperity of the state and its people.
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 10 January 2018 11: 59
          +5
          That's just the main source of human resources - the village - was destroyed as such by the Bolsheviks with their "dispossession", "collectivization" and "industrialization." Gorbachev and Yeltsin are rather grave diggers; the "patient" has already come to them dead.
          1. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 13
            +6
            Dzmicer
            I also do not like the Communists, but, in fairness, in the West, where there was no socialism, the same problems - low birth rates, their villages also disappeared.
            1. Dzmicer
              Dzmicer 10 January 2018 12: 40
              +4
              Urbanization is the main enemy of population growth. Citizens, in principle, do not breed very well, now, that in the Middle Ages, that in antiquity. The higher the proportion of urban population relative to the rural, the worse the deal with demography.
              1. Antares
                Antares 11 January 2018 12: 14
                +1
                Quote: Dzmicer
                Citizens, in principle, do not breed very well, that now, that in the Middle Ages, that in antiquity

                not quite, the urban way of life makes a woman the same working unit as a man. Now a woman is almost equal in earnings to a man and consumes more (which is the main indicator of a consumer society)
                when should she give birth and why should she? atavism and time spent
    2. Vladimirsky
      Vladimirsky 10 January 2018 09: 20
      17
      Appreciate inappropriate sarcasm ....
      And if on the topic, then I consider controversial the decision of GDP on payments at birth to the first-born. In reality, 70-80% of those claiming these payments are gypsies, alkonauts and drug addicts - i.e. those who do not have official earnings. For the rest - another question is whether they are eligible for payment.
      And if the gypsies will simply multiply, then the birth of children in fallen families in a year and a half will respond to replenishment in orphanages with all the consequences.
      1. AnpeL
        AnpeL 10 January 2018 09: 37
        +9
        typical whiner, liberal, State Department agent, whining plaintively, at a time when the country is hard! because of these, young people do not have enough pills, and kindergarten babies! because of these, the "average age" must plow at work and pay a penny to these parasites! retired, be useful to the country ... make hara-kiri ...

        Andrei Yuryevich, of course, is joking about the above problem, but I think that many at the power trough would think so
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 10 January 2018 10: 48
          +7
          Quote: AnpeL
          typical whiner, liberal, State Department agent, whining plaintively, at a time when the country is hard! because of these, young people do not have enough pills, and kindergarten babies! because of these, the "average age" must plow at work and pay a penny to these parasites! retired, be useful to the country ... make hara-kiri ...

          Andrei Yuryevich, of course, is joking about the above problem, but I think that many at the power trough would think so

          Correct you: do not THINK, but THINK and DO.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 10 January 2018 11: 31
            +4
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            Correct you: do not THINK, but THINK and DO

            And this is no longer a banter ...
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 10 January 2018 09: 33
      +9
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      typical whiner, liberal, State Department agent, whining plaintively, at a time when the country is hard!

      Here is another one.
    4. Alber
      Alber 10 January 2018 10: 46
      +7
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Pensioner holds a receipt for utility bills
      typical whiner, liberal, State Department agent, whining plaintively, at a time when the country is hard! because of these, young people do not have enough pills, and kindergarten babies! because of these, the "average age" must plow at work and pay a penny to these parasites! retired, be useful to the country ... make hara-kiri ...

      and if it was your grandfather or father?
      Well, the education of businessmen ...
      if you successfully found money in crazy years, then you can use the "chicken coop principle" to put it on the lower ones, i.e. less successful?
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 10 January 2018 11: 33
        +6
        Quote: Alber
        and if it was your grandfather or father?

        Andrei Yurievich, be careful. Some are critically serious
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 23
        +5
        Quote: Alber
        then it is possible to express on the lower ones according to the "chicken coop principle", i.e. less successful?
        Sure. Forget about Soviet equality and moral standards in society. But in our country, wild capitalism. Man to man is a wolf. And these less successful just losers did not fit into the market. Ugh on them ...
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 45
          +6
          You will recall the "hazing" in the Soviet army and much more, so that the norms of morality and the Union limped on both legs.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 10 January 2018 18: 19
        +1
        Quote: Alber
        according to the "chicken coop principle", it is possible to express on the lower ones, i.e. less successful?

        As much as possible.
        Quote: Alber
        Well, the education of businessmen ...

        It is like that. But this does not apply to Andrei Yurievich; he is a pensioner working.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 10 January 2018 12: 04
      +5
      In the new Russia, it has become so customary, if you want to survive, become a thief - a millionaire or a deputy of the State Duma. belay
    6. krops777
      krops777 10 January 2018 12: 40
      +1
      caused by alcoholism, traffic accidents, violence and cardiovascular diseases widespread in Russia.


      Again these Ms. liberals cliches, they can’t come up with anything new.
    7. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 10 January 2018 16: 27
      +6
      Well, you and type, "Andrei Yurevich"! Cynical not in moderation. Together with those who put you pluses. Your comment is a moral ugliness. And in the state system, apparently, you are not thinking much.
      But what about yourself? Are you not going to become a pensioner? Successfully "fit into the market" according to Chubais? So look, as if by chance they wouldn’t be written out.
      Current retirees have more moral and real rights than young ones. They built socialism, created a country-power. And, like you and others like you, judging by your commentary, you use the fruits of their labor, which they still cannot “grab” to the end. That was the richest country!
      In addition to pensioners, you still pour mud over the social insurance fund. They also “collect” it.
      Under capitalism, in addition to increasing the retirement age, they also want to increase the working day, and there is much more to do.
      Those. the Kremlin capitalist regime is ready to destroy all the achievements of the Soviet period ...
      You yourself, subsequently, "whine" do not start?
      And, at your leisure, read something clever, academic, educational in nature, and not these “calculations” of pseudo-analysts. Futurologists, damn it!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 10 January 2018 18: 21
        0
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Well, you and type, "Andrei Yurevich"! Cynical not in moderation. Together with those who put you pluses.

        And I set. yes
    8. Vladimir Avakimov
      Vladimir Avakimov 10 January 2018 19: 41
      +4
      When you become a pensioner do not forget to make Harakiri YOURSELF!
    9. 97110
      97110 11 January 2018 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      retired, be useful to the country ... make hara-kiri ...

      The country itself could participate. Of course, cleaning up the corpses of harakirinykh will create additional jobs, but it will also cause an additional burden on the already overloaded precinct and trackers. And not according to ERowski it is, without the participation of private capital to solve such an important issue. It is necessary to establish production of something useful from pensioners, meat and bone meal for fodder there ... Cemetery areas will be freed up - the ecology will improve! And the slaughter of retirees to produce on a scientifically sound technology, the most humane. For experience, you need to turn to Germany, let them share what they have mined in WWII. Here you have the growth of GDP, the arbitrariness of labor, almost from scratch!
    10. Seraphimamur
      Seraphimamur 14 January 2018 05: 33
      0
      Will you make yourself hara-kiri?
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  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 January 2018 09: 01
    +6
    Another article is “funerals”. It seems to me that everything is not so gloomy. It is another matter that working age contrastly “changes nationality”. This is a replacement now.
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 10: 12
      +4
      "Dad is Turkish, mom is Greek, and I am Russian."
      So it's okay, in Russia, almost never soared about the purity of blood.
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 10 January 2018 12: 03
        +3
        Only the Russians (or rather, the Soviet ones) (“ethnic Russians” who were deprived of love and beauty, accustomed to hatred and unquestioning submission to power, “Russians” were destroyed as a species, were destroyed in the 20s and 30s.) The rest always remained true to their small homeland: the Georgian remained Georgian, the Armenian Armenian, Tajik Tajik, and so on.
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 17
          +3
          My friend had a typical Russian at school, the last name was Sharipov. The surname is eastern, and so it’s part of its roots from Tajikistan. So it’s so. And there are a lot of such people. Yes and Sharapov from the famous film, also an example.
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 10 January 2018 12: 46
            +3
            And yet there is nothing more stupid than expectations from people with a prevailing national self-awareness of refusing it and accepting something else. Exceptions only confirm the rule. Or are you a supporter of nonsense, like multiculturalism and tolerance?)
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 13: 05
              0
              This is not an exception, but a common practice. Russians who go abroad, too, for the most part remain there to live and assimilate.
              Specifically, in my relatives, too, there are non-Russians among my ancestors: Polish, Ukrainian, maybe all sorts of different and nothing.
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 10 January 2018 13: 31
                +2
                Maybe I'll upset you, but at the genetic level there is almost no difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Poles. The borders lie in the minds: some are loyal to the state of Poland, others are to Nenke-Ukraine, others are to Russia, which is great, united and indivisible. And there are also those who are loyal to the "zemshary republic of soviets" - these are people who have fundamentally torn themselves away from any nation. These are people without any roots, no matter how much they calculate the blood shares of various peoples in their veins.
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 14: 09
                  0
                  So what? Why should I be upset then? And what does genetics have to do with it? Poland is a Russophobian country despite the genes, and even people from there poured into the Russian nation, which means that the same Vietnamese will also join in without any problems.
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 10 January 2018 14: 40
                    +1
                    Yeah, with the same success as the Turks and Arabs will become Germans :)
                    1. Fat Penguin
                      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 15: 13
                      +1
                      I'm afraid to make a mistake, but there are much fewer problems with the Vietnamese than with the Turks or Arabs. Have you heard about the Vietnamese terrorists? Me not. Therefore, I am writing that migration should be managed and it is necessary to import suitable people, and not everyone will be undermined.
                      1. 97110
                        97110 11 January 2018 12: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Fat Penguin
                        migration should be managed and the right people to be imported, and not all undermined.

                        Muslims from Central Asia come by themselves. They are the most suitable. Because the Russians all hope for something, they require citizenship. Some problems with them. Whether the case is Dagestanis. They have citizenship, and selfless love for the authorities. Tajiks and the like are stateless, but they acquire it in an organized manner, with the help of ... So the conditions have been created for the most suitable categories. The people from Central Asia go to Russia to work and earn money, ethnic Russians from Ukraine go to take offense at the lack of freebies. Correct, if it’s not right, but my experience of dealing with various kinds of migrants allows me to draw about such conclusions that it’s not Russian that is beneficial for business, but ...
                      2. Antares
                        Antares 11 January 2018 12: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Fat Penguin
                        Have you heard of Vietnamese terrorists? Me not

                        Vietnam has recognized the terrorist organization Viet Tan, registered in California, the Associated Press reported on October 8.
                  2. Alber
                    Alber 10 January 2018 20: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Fat Penguin
                    So what? Why should I be upset then? And what does genetics have to do with it? Poland is a Russophobian country despite the genes, and even people from there poured into the Russian nation, which means that the same Vietnamese will also join in without any problems.

                    Well, give your daughter as a Viet Cong, and even better as a New Guinean ... We will give you a letter
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  4. Varyag_0711
    Varyag_0711 10 January 2018 09: 04
    25
    So that the population is not reduced, maternity capital alone is not enough. In general, there is little complex of measures that are now proposed. The population is declining primarily due to the quality of food, the widespread introduction of chemical processing leads to the fact that there are more and more families with infertility. I’m talking about what I had to go through myself. Obtaining a quota for IVF is, of course, possible, but again, you need to give money to the one who distributes these quotas. Yes, and after obtaining a quota, the IVF course costs a pretty penny, passing expensive tests, plus a bunch of drugs that do not fall under the quota. As a result, one IVF costs even with a quota of at least 100 thousand wood and without any guarantees. My wife and I went through the IVF procedure 6 times, the result is zero with a financial loss of about minus one million rubles. With an average salary of 20 thousand, we’ll figure out what a hole it is in the family budget.
    This is what I briefly described. If you describe all the circles of hell into which our medicine has turned, then this is a separate article to write.
    Plus, another factor is not stability, and this is very important. Today you have a job, and tomorrow you can easily find yourself behind the fence, and then what? Who will feed the children, the state? Yeah, hold your pocket wider ...
    1. Vard
      Vard 10 January 2018 09: 14
      11
      A similar problem with IVF ... There are a lot of infertile families in Russia and making this procedure free is one of the ways to solve the demographic problem ... And also ... Children appear in families with a stable income ... And if the real mussel salary in the country 15 000 ... Then they are unlikely to be in large numbers ...
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 10 January 2018 09: 41
        26
        Vard Today, 09: 14 ↑
        And if the real mussel salary in the country is 15 ... Then they are unlikely to be in large numbers ...
        Yes, in general, this problem can hardly be solved in the current conditions. The essence of the problem in a nutshell:
        1. Job security. A person should not have a headache that tomorrow he will have nowhere to earn a living. Plus the problem of redistribution of cash flows. It should not be that 70-150 thousand are paid for the same work in Moscow, and 15-25 ... in the province ...! Then, to Moscow, all and sundry will stop screaming.
        2. Provide medical facilities with highly qualified personnel. Again, not in Moscow alone, but throughout Russia. The problem is practically unsolvable.
        3. Remove from the shelves all products with GMO and chemical processing. That is, there should not be any Turkish tomatoes, Polish apples or other trash on the shelves. The problem is also not solved, since the counters are quickly empty. Now agriculture is sitting tight on chemistry. Plus, we have completely destroyed the base. There are no seeds, we purchase them, there is not much else that makes up the country's food security.
        This is briefly, but it is not possible to solve all these problems in modern realities. To do this, we need a radical demolition of an established system, and no one will do that.
        So in the near future it will not be possible to solve the problem with demography. Here we must add the problem of the degradation of education, the problem of drug addiction and alcoholism among young people, and a whole bunch more!
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 January 2018 10: 08
          12
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Yes, in general, this problem can hardly be solved in the current conditions. The essence of the problem in a nutshell:
          1. Job security .........

          Colleague, you directly laid out the Grudinin program.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          3. Remove from the shelves all products with GMO and chemical processing. That is, there should not be any Turkish tomatoes, Polish apples or other trash on the shelves.

          Quote: Varyag_0711
          3. Remove from the shelves all products with GMO and chemical processing. That is, there should not be any Turkish tomatoes, Polish apples or other trash on the shelves.

        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 10 January 2018 10: 51
          +4
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Vard Today, 09: 14 ↑
          And if the real mussel salary in the country is 15 ... Then they are unlikely to be in large numbers ...
          Yes, in general, this problem can hardly be solved in the current conditions. The essence of the problem in a nutshell:
          1. Job security. A person should not have a headache that tomorrow he will have nowhere to earn a living. Plus the problem of redistribution of cash flows. It should not be that 70-150 thousand are paid for the same work in Moscow, and 15-25 ... in the province ...! Then, to Moscow, all and sundry will stop screaming.
          2. Provide medical facilities with highly qualified personnel. Again, not in Moscow alone, but throughout Russia. The problem is practically unsolvable.
          3. Remove from the shelves all products with GMO and chemical processing. That is, there should not be any Turkish tomatoes, Polish apples or other trash on the shelves. The problem is also not solved, since the counters are quickly empty. Now agriculture is sitting tight on chemistry. Plus, we have completely destroyed the base. There are no seeds, we purchase them, there is not much else that makes up the country's food security.
          This is briefly, but it is not possible to solve all these problems in modern realities. To do this, we need a radical demolition of an established system, and no one will do that.
          So in the near future it will not be possible to solve the problem with demography. Here we must add the problem of the degradation of education, the problem of drug addiction and alcoholism among young people, and a whole bunch more!

          There are no unsolvable problems for a person with intelligence! The authorities simply do not want to solve them, citing impracticability.
          1. 97110
            97110 11 January 2018 12: 11
            +1
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            There are no unsolvable problems for a person with intelligence! The authorities just don’t want to solve them,

            Are you talking about a person with an intuition or are you talking about Power? Decide already. Who set these tasks for the authorities? She was hired to serve the class of bourgeois bourgeois in a capitalist society. She is curious about how to increase their profits and remove problems in extracting profits. And a person with intelligence can also be identified in the zone so that he does not clever. There is a stable salary and feeding ...
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        4. Svetlana
          Svetlana 10 January 2018 15: 43
          +4
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          So in the near future it will not be possible to solve the problem with demography. Here we must add the problem of the degradation of education, the problem of drug addiction and alcoholism among young people, and a whole bunch more!

          All problems in Russia were created and continue to be created not in order to solve them later. To solve the problems created for us, we need a pro-Russian people's government, and not vice versa, as it is now. This will not be decided by anything! And it will only create new ones! And to decide only your personal ones at our expense!
          1. 97110
            97110 11 January 2018 12: 14
            +1
            Quote: Svetlana
            And to decide only your personal ones at our expense!

            And if so: "And only solve the problems of your employer at our expense!"
        5. andj61
          andj61 10 January 2018 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          3. Remove from the shelves all products with GMO and chemical processing.

          In chemical processing, one can agree. But it is better to clearly control the quality of products. As for GMOs - where does the information come from that we GENERALLY have food products with GMOs? Really, it’s not. As an example, not so long ago, in the program “Alive and Dead Food”, with the help of an expert, they took food samples and did a genetic examination to identify GMOs. The expert suggested which products may contain these same GMOs. Several dozen samples were taken, but None of the GMOs were found in ONE. Even in imported baby food based on soy protein, the expert said that the manufacturer uses for its production, including genetically modified soy. After the analysis, it was stated that, apparently, products containing GMOs are not supplied to Russia due to our ban on this GMO itself.
          Although - not the fact that GMOs are more harmful than chemistry. Maybe GMOs do no harm at all. At least this has not yet been proven. I strongly suspect that chemistry is an order of magnitude more harmful.
      2. your1970
        your1970 10 January 2018 19: 01
        0
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Yes, in general, this problem can hardly be solved in the current conditions. The essence of the problem in a nutshell:
        1. Job security.
        2. Provide medical facilities with highly qualified personnel.
        3. Remove from the shelves all products with GMO and chemical processing.

        1945 year
        1) job security - was
        2) there were no doctors at all in the countryside
        3) there was a problem with the availability of food per se
        4) there was a problem with the degradation of education
        5) there was a problem with alcoholism
        - nevertheless, the people multiplied and very quickly.
        Why? But because only the poor and hungry give birth to 5-7-10 children, well-fed and well-off give birth to one or a maximum of two. And this is proved by the whole history of civilization on earth, as well as the fact that the urban population practically does not breed - in contrast from rural
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 11 January 2018 00: 43
        +2
        Quote: Vard
        And if the real mussel salary in the country is 15 ...

        what what is it you by eye have determined the MEDICAL sn ?? recourse recourse wassat wassat laughing laughing
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 10 January 2018 10: 04
      +6
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      The population is declining primarily due to the quality of food, the widespread introduction of chemical processing leads to the fact that there are more and more families with infertility.

      I will not specifically about you, but since you have to deal with this, then ...
      The main cause of infertility is a disregard for health.
      When I look at girls of the corresponding age who are standing at stops at -25-30 in pantyhose and a short skirt. Red legs, bare head. What health is there? And IVF may not help. For there is nowhere and nothing.
      1. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n 10 January 2018 10: 30
        +3
        And how they smoked a cigarette of musol in the corner of their mouth!))) And they thump like hell!)) And then the cookie is to blame!
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 10 January 2018 11: 04
          +8
          Quote: astronom1973n
          And how they smoked a cigarette of musol in the corner of their mouth!))) And they thump like hell!)) And then the cookie is to blame!

          That's right, so you need to start with education and culture! And it’s better to immediately raise the education of medicine and culture as a cornerstone and make it a strategy for decades, since this thieves Kremlin codela is not capable of ideology! Not open EBN centers, but pioneer palaces, free medical centers, etc.
          1. Dedall
            Dedall 10 January 2018 19: 01
            +2
            And instead of spending on the IOC, build stadiums and open free sections.
        2. 97110
          97110 11 January 2018 12: 20
          +1
          Quote: astronom1973n
          And then the cookie is to blame!

          At the last job before leaving for a well-deserved rest, out of 3 women of the most reproductive age, two did not take blood from the highest declared donor day. Clothing weight less than 50 kg. And do not say that they are starving - they fight cellulite in a preventive manner.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 10 January 2018 11: 39
        +4
        Quote: ImPerts
        When I look at girls of the corresponding age who are standing at stops at -25-30 in pantyhose and a short skirt. Red legs, bare head. What health is there? And IVF may not help. For there is nowhere and nothing.

        And whom do they give birth and bring up? There is a telephone in one hand, a beer can in the other, a cigarette in the mouth, and pushing the stroller with his stomach ...
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 06
          +5
          Where do you see these? Very rarely I see even men with beer on the street, the police can attract.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 10 January 2018 12: 25
            +3
            Quote: Fat Penguin
            Where do you see these? Very rarely I see even men with beer on the street, the police can attract.

            Are you on the street? From the car to the front door.
            Police? And often do you see them on the street? But the inhabitants of pivasik put in a bag and sip calmly. After all, the label is not visible.
            After all, are you a fan of arguing for nothing? Therefore, I will not support the dialogue.
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 50
              +4
              Often I’m on the street and, I repeat, they drink beer several times less than before, perhaps an order of magnitude less. Previously, this was allowed, but not now - and nobody needs problems with the police. Maybe there are other reasons (they work, while driving, etc.). I don’t watch drinkers either from packages, alas, ah.
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 10 January 2018 13: 04
                +2
                Quote: Fat Penguin
                Often I’m on the street and, I repeat, they drink beer several times less than before, perhaps an order of magnitude less. Previously, this was allowed, but not now - and nobody needs problems with the police. Maybe there are other reasons (they work, while driving, etc.). I don’t watch drinkers either from packages, alas, ah.

                So I'm not talking about the number of drinkers, but about young mothers, drinkers and smokers.
                I don’t watch drinkers from packages either, alas and ah
                Be a little closer.
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 13: 19
                  +2
                  You are not Jewish by the hour? "The British leave without saying goodbye, and the Jews say goodbye but do not leave."
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 10 January 2018 13: 30
                0
                And where is this magical place?
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 14: 11
                  0
                  If the question is for me, then this is Moscow.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 10 January 2018 13: 29
            0
            I have a neighbor from above, about 25 years old, just fits the description. Often walks with a stroller, while smoking a cigarette and swallowing a beer from a can. And the hubby is the same. And there are quite a few of them. And this is in Vladivostok, in the outback I am generally silent.
          3. Greenwood
            Greenwood 10 January 2018 13: 30
            0
            Quote: Fat Penguin
            the police can attract
            I don’t know where you live, but with us people walked along the streets with beer, and goes on and on. The cops don’t care, they almost never happen in sleeping areas.
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 14: 14
              +2
              Moscow. About 15 years ago, they openly drank beer everywhere, even in the subway, empty bottles often rolled around on cars. Now it’s many times smaller, the difference is noticeable with the naked eye, so to speak.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 10 January 2018 14: 54
                +3
                Quote: Fat Penguin
                Moscow. About 15 years ago, they openly drank beer everywhere, even in the subway, empty bottles often rolled around on cars. Now it’s many times smaller, the difference is noticeable with the naked eye, so to speak.

                Samara - no one smokes at public transport stops, beaches, promenade, metro entrance, parks. Last year, there were two police drives (for smoking at the entrance to the metro station), once a protocol was drawn up, and a second conversation , about 10 minutes, the attitude is polite and correct. Beer is drunk on the streets - you can rarely see it, people look askance at it (the citizens themselves) In the city they removed all the "drinks", all those dirty glasses.
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 15: 17
                  0
                  Here I am about the same.
                2. your1970
                  your1970 10 January 2018 19: 12
                  +3
                  I was in Belgorod 11 years ago. I go with the girls at 2 o’clock in the morning from the restaurant in the park, gopniks are sitting on a bench and drinking. Well, I think I’ll be beaten - I’m 1 + 4 ladies (well, they will even scream in a crowd and then relish). So when we approached them - the guys carefully collected everything from the bench (bottles, scraps, leftover snacks) into a bag - and carried the bag into the ballot box. We were shocked, not beaten on the asphalt, not bullied with us, not burped ... well, yes, drunk, but carefully ...
                  And there it was: we approach the transition - we are 10 people, a traffic police car flashing with a flasher and a siren, we stop — they stop before the transition and begin to wave — we say, move faster. We ran quickly and they rushed on with the siren. half an evening was enough - and although there were people from all over the country - this was not anywhere
                  Everything very much depends on local authorities apparently ...
                  1. Fat Penguin
                    Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 19: 24
                    0
                    Yeah ... About Belgorod (and the region) I hear mostly good news for several years, the governor is normal there.
                    1. Greenwood
                      Greenwood 11 January 2018 10: 03
                      0
                      Belgorod region is the second state farm named after Lenin, only on the scale of the whole region. What is called the exemplary region of Russia. For 20 years now, the same permanent governor Savchenko has been in power. There, tiles are even laid in the courtyards of Khrushchev.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 11 January 2018 10: 19
                        +1
                        Did the governor correct the brains of the gopniks drunk? Or DPS? Or how was it, when the grandmothers in the peasant’s market were shut up before our eyes for swearing at them?

                        if he can do this, then, to put it mildly, this is much more real success than the Grudininsky
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 10 January 2018 16: 05
                +1
                Clearly, apparently, civilization will not soon come to Vlad. It seems that Japan is near Korea, strange.
                1. Fat Penguin
                  Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 16: 23
                  0
                  But, probably, you have better than it was 15 years ago?
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 11 January 2018 10: 00
                    0
                    Hard to say. 15 years ago, the auto business flourished in the city, and a lot of people made good money on this. Now with duties everything is much sadder.
                    Landscaping certainly got better.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 10 January 2018 18: 35
                  0
                  Tula region. 10-20 girls stand in the mornings at the stop and smoke. Then they go to 9-00 in a medical school.
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          4. 97110
            97110 11 January 2018 12: 22
            +1
            Quote: Fat Penguin
            the police can attract.

            And they where it is not ...
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    3. kudma
      kudma 10 January 2018 10: 34
      +4
      I agree with you. I know two familiar families who had the same problems with the birth of their first child. There are a lot of problems in this direction, such as with the same kindergartens, we only in Nerezinova proudly report that there are places, but in fact byad, my daughter would soon be two years old to go to nursery and go to work, but there were almost none left the wife will have to sit at home for a year or more.
    4. Giants
      Giants 10 January 2018 21: 45
      +1
      A policy of utilizing the indigenous population is ongoing. That is why we are fed low-quality products, destroyed medicine and education. Migration policy is generally a song! In a couple of generations, Russians at home will be in minority. And who is pursuing this policy? Guess from three times.
      1. Fat Penguin
        Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 09: 18
        0
        Reptilians?
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 January 2018 09: 19
    17
    For this, the word was invented by the Russians ... let the Russians become smaller, but the Russians are not decreasing. Recently I went through the clinic. Only in the office where they did the cardiogram sat a Russian nurse grandmother. Doctors are very often from Central and other Asia.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 10 January 2018 09: 28
      24
      What are they talking about? No one to work? There are no jobs! That's the way it should be written, there is no work on the periphery, everything stands in a cancer pose and collapses. In addition to the guards, policemen, education and medicine, which were cut down to impossibility and still squeeze a person with nowhere to go to work. People na.kh.ren no one needs! Do you need to extend the retirement period? And where will these people refine these five years, I want to ask these "experts"?
    2. gafarovsafar
      gafarovsafar 10 January 2018 09: 41
      +3
      Russian doctors in America and Europaz earn or private clinics have opened. A holy place is never empty, and Asians have filled up empty jobs
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 10 January 2018 19: 10
        +2
        Dear, have you tried to confirm a doctor’s diploma there? At a minimum, you need to know the language, but we have a few. So the decrease in the number of doctors is stupidly associated with low salaries, which makes no sense to work in this specialty. I, too, would have gone to some security guards, if not for the availability of a pension.
  6. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 10 January 2018 09: 38
    +2
    the boss is all gone
  7. Fat Penguin
    Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 10: 00
    +5
    The real population of Russia is now about 161 million people (along with migrants and LDNR, South Ossetia) - 11 million migrants alone. If you set the goal of increasing the number of people, you need to encourage migration to the Russian Federation, and not messy, but people who are suitable for us and give them citizenship. If you wish, you can even increase the population, there will be no question of loss.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 January 2018 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: Fat Penguin
      people who are right for us and give them citizenship
      And who are these suitable people?
      Quote: Fat Penguin
      If desired, the population can even be increased, there will be no question of loss.
      Sure. But judging by the reforms being carried out in the country, the government and big business have no such desire.
      1. Fat Penguin
        Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 10: 55
        +1
        Well, for example, you can encourage migration to Russia from Vietnam, for example. They are not Muslims, given the current realities, this is a plus.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 10 January 2018 11: 30
          +4
          Quote: Fat Penguin
          Well, for example, you can encourage migration to Russia from Vietnam

          And why do we need Vietnamese, Chinese, Sudanese, Ethiopians ... here their brothers in a Soviet communal apartment are pushing their elbows, give them a Russian passport, I often pass by the FMS, so there are crowds of little black and white that you can't hear any dialects.
          In 2016, a total of 265 persons were granted citizenship of the Russian Federation. Of these, by citizenship:
          - Ukraine - 100 696 people;
          - Kazakhstan - 37 837 people;
          - Uzbekistan - 23 people;
          - Tajikistan - 23 012 people;
          - Armenia - 22 people;
          - Moldova - 17 397 people;
          - Stateless persons - 11042 people;
          - Azerbaijan - 9 people;
          - Kyrgyzstan - 9316 people;
          - Belarus - 3 people;
          - Georgia - 2 623 people;
          - Turkmenistan - 774 people.
          other countries see on the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
          1. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 11: 56
            0
            The Vietnamese do not pose a threat to us, plus they have a large population, you can draw. Of course, it’s better to have white Orthodox Christians, the best option, but where can I get them?
            I, and many others, don’t like the migration from some countries that you listed for some reason. And about Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus it’s just ridiculous, they have the same problems as we do, Ukraine is dying out like that.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 13
              +2
              Quote: Fat Penguin
              white orthodox
              These times, especially young people, are dreaming of dumping from Russia. In the same America, where with knowledge of the language and certain professional skills, you quickly assimilate.
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 10 January 2018 13: 47
                +2
                Russian-Orthodox (men) in large numbers NEVER felled from Russia.
                And they won’t - the way of Western life is too disgusting for them
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 10 January 2018 16: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: Victor N
                  And they won’t - the way of Western life is too disgusting for them
                  Something I have not met.
                  Here you have a typical Russian man, he moved with his family to Minnesota. He works as an electrician (!!!). Already built a house for myself.

                  He probably also disgusts the Western way of life. lol
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 11 January 2018 10: 28
                    +3
                    What kind of Russian is that?
                    This is a typical Russian-language.
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                2. 97110
                  97110 11 January 2018 18: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Victor N
                  And they won’t - the way of Western life is too disgusting for them

                  That is why the gentlemen of the owners do not want their immigration - they don’t know where they are smart. Tolley is a matter of average Asians: the love of the bai (read - to the authorities) in the blood, they speak poorly, work well, eat little. But the question of the faith of the owner’s staff does not bother him - he has his own faith in the golden calf. Such personnel, by definition, do not.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 10
          0
          They won’t go, it’s too cold for us. Vietnamese students study at Russian universities and dump home in Vietnam.
          1. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 34
            +1
            They’ll go, he wrote above. Although maybe the situation has changed in the last four years. Previously, the Vietnamese were eager to go to Russia, even illegally - they sewed clothes underground, etc. Now I don’t know for sure, maybe in Vietnam it’s better, I don’t know, I don’t know the numbers .
    2. Babalaykin
      Babalaykin 10 January 2018 20: 20
      +1
      Go to any FMS, there are conditions so that people do NOT migrate to Russia. People sit in queues at night, make several visits, find fault with each letter in questionnaires, there is no talk of consultations at all ...
      However, as a rule, the Ostap Bender IE is present in a neighboring building, which of course will help to do everything right and quickly.
      And I will say more, citizenship is already being distributed, all you need to get a certificate of immigrant, RVP and apply for citizenship, and each item is almost the same documents, in bundles. Each stage costs, and months of waiting and collecting documents.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 January 2018 10: 27
    10
    Benjamin Tribe article in the Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung
    Well, of course, who but the European can judge the demography in Russia. It would be better if I looked out the window and made sure that where demography is already negative, it is in Europe. Homosexuals have not yet learned to give birth, and migrants really spoil the picture.
    “Russia lacks Russians”
    Somehow we’ll figure out who we have enough, and who wound up too much.
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 11: 23
      +2
      Just in Switzerland, quite reasonable orders, unlike some other countries in Europe.
  9. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2018 10: 29
    +4
    Quote: Fat Penguin
    Two of these are not reproduction, this is a decrease. The reproduction rate is higher, like 2,3 something, I don’t remember exactly. In general, it is desirable to have three children for simple reproduction.

    ----------------------------------
    However, many other criteria must be considered. For example, the number of boys and girls born is in the ratio of 10 to 9, but by the age of 40 the number of men and women is already in the ratio of 2 to 3, then already 2 to 5. That is, the male population is decreasing faster than the female.
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 10: 59
      +4
      Thumping should be less - one of the main causes of the early death of men.
  10. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2018 10: 30
    +7
    Quote: Fat Penguin
    If you set the task to increase the number of people, you need to encourage migration to the Russian Federation, and not random, but suitable people and give them citizenship.

    ------------------------------
    Well, the Kyrgyz receives Russian citizenship in 2 hours, and the Russian from Ukraine for several months. How to explain this?
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 11: 00
      0
      I do not know, do not own info.
    2. Alber
      Alber 10 January 2018 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Fat Penguin
      If you set the task to increase the number of people, you need to encourage migration to the Russian Federation, and not random, but suitable people and give them citizenship.

      ------------------------------
      Well, the Kyrgyz receives Russian citizenship in 2 hours, and the Russian from Ukraine for several months. How to explain this?

      to explain simply:
      heads of migration services from the “God's chosen”
      love bribes.
      Russians have no money. then at the end of the line. and Asians for the loot already with the necessary papers. “God's chosen” with sacks of money are building palaces on the Rubles and abroad on the Cote d'Azur
      1. Fat Penguin
        Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 11: 25
        +3
        Yes, yes - the Kyrgyz dofig money therefore, apparently, they often work as loaders and janitors.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 10 January 2018 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Well, the Kyrgyz receives Russian citizenship in 2 hours, and the Russian from Ukraine for several months. How to explain this?

      For the Kyrgyz, all questions were decided by the employer. All win
    4. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 17: 08
      +2
      Altona
      Ukraine is not a member of the CU, the Eurasian Union (if it is spelled the name correctly), and Kyrgyzstan is included, so it is therefore easier for Kyrgyz to obtain citizenship of the Russian Federation (if this is true).
      Kyrgyzstan is now a union and friendly state of Russia, and Ukraine is hostile - feel the difference.
    5. 97110
      97110 11 January 2018 18: 59
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Well, the Kyrgyz receives Russian citizenship in 2 hours, and the Russian from Ukraine for several months. How to explain this?

      Kyrgyzstan brings more surplus product, the Ukrainian shakes more right and all the time considers how much money he would have received from America without leaving for Russia. It is more convenient for the owner of the Kyrgyz. Most of the owners are traders, they don’t understand the qualifications and competencies, the main thing is that they personally be betrayed, and it’s pleasant to the touch.
  11. Fight
    Fight 10 January 2018 10: 32
    +6
    The problem is sad that 300000 leaving, just working age! Dumped in the markets with cheap metal, and cheap due to the fact that they save workers on scrap !!! That people toppled, but could work for the good of the motherland !!! Only Free wishing less and less!
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 10 January 2018 10: 46
    +6
    The liberal power in the country does not need a large population. As adherents of this government say, about 50 million people are enough to service the pipe. All attempts by Putin and the government to straighten out the demographic situation are essentially populist, because there are no conceptual bases under them. You can read the short story on the website of the Government of the Russian Federation called the rules for subsidizing mortgage rates for children with a second, third child and subsequent children. Fiction is very fascinating if you master the bureaucratic language with which our government always writes.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 10 January 2018 11: 47
      +1
      "See the root" (C)
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      All attempts by Putin and the government to rectify the demographic situation are essentially populist,
  13. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 10 January 2018 11: 00
    12
    Fir-trees! Pancake! Eprst! What the hell is rushing from the article? 1. Low retirement age? Yes, and with the existing retirement age, blatant age discrimination! Foolish "legislators" thought about this? Migrants? Yo mine! There is a truth deduced by experts: the presence of migrants in the country, reaching 10% (!), Creates a "base" for social tension among the local population! According to estimates, the number of migrants in Russia (primarily “Turks”) reaches 13% (!) With a tendency to increase further! And what is the population of Russia to day? So scratch your turnips! So we need the "Türks"? No ! Back in Soviet times, at school, we were trending about automatic machines and stuff like that! Once on TV there was a report on how a German road car was purchased in a certain region ... 30 road workers ("Turks") are being replaced by this "device"! Scete, where is the solution to the problem of "lack of working force? But it is more profitable for the" domestic "business to hire 30" gaster "with crowbars and hoes than the 2 of modern excavators with highly skilled machine operators! A huge number of" unnecessary "people come to Russia every year! Is it possible You can sift it out! But no one (from state structures) does this! So, I want to say that many problems existing in the country are "supported" by the current regime of power! So .... there’s nothing to blame for the mirror erysipelas are crooked !!!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 January 2018 14: 53
      +3
      PSError! Not 13%, but 13 million migrants ....
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 10 January 2018 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Once on TV there was a report on how a German road car was purchased in a certain region ... 30 road workers ("Turks") are being replaced by this "device"! Scete, where is the solution to the "lack of workforce?" Problem, but it is more profitable for the "domestic" business to hire 30 "casters" with crowbars and hoes than the 2 modern excavators with highly qualified machine operators!

      In our city, they offered to work as seasonal workers on the labor exchange. They refused, because getting benefits is easier and less time consuming. Instead, the "Türks" worked.
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      the number of migrants in Russia (primarily “Turks”) reaches 13%

      That's why they come. Therefore, they work.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 11 January 2018 03: 00
        +3
        Quote: ImPerts
        In our city, they offered to work as seasonal workers on the labor exchange. They refused, because getting benefits is easier and less time consuming. Instead, the "Türks" worked.

        If you think that this example is convincing; you are mistaken ... Here on the page of Alton cited his example: in Russia, the janitor operates a “manual” broom and serves a small area In Germany, the janitor with a walk-behind tractor and tools for it serves in 10-20 times more territory. Now compare: what territory is often at the disposal of the management company? How many “manual” wipers is needed for her? How much will the company clean the territory if the wipers pay a “decent” salary? So they pay "little", here they take "Gaster"! And if you consider the "janitor in German"? It removes the “mechanized” janitor the territory in 10-20 times more, so you need such janitors in 10-20 times less ... Is it difficult in this case to establish such a janitor a “decent” salary, very attractive for any local job seeker?
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 11 January 2018 10: 06
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          In the same Germany, a janitor with a walk-behind tractor and tools for it serves 10-20 times more territory.

          I was in Germany, specifically in Berlin. It's dirty
          I don’t know how in Berlin, but I go out with a dog for a walk, the janitor clears the snow in 6 in the morning. About mechanization. If it weren’t for the courtyards where you snoop between cars, you could also use a walk-behind tractor for snow removal. But the wipers are also smart, they should not be responsible for the snow that arrives at the car.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 11 January 2018 15: 48
            +1
            Quote: ImPerts
            I was in Germany, specifically in Berlin. It's dirty

            Yes, anything can happen ... and Germany is different: there is Prussia, and Bavaria, and Saxony ..... there is Berlin, and there is Dresden ...
            And in the courtyards you can restore order .... it would be nice to rely on “power”, but the residents themselves can take it (there are examples near me ...). And in my yard, after snowstorms, people undertake to clear the yard from snow : when the bulldozer still comes (!), and in the morning everyone needs to go: to whom to work, to whom the child should be taken to the kindergarten ...
  14. Sansculotte
    Sansculotte 10 January 2018 11: 16
    +6
    We vote further for Putin, he has nothing to do with it.
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 11: 27
      +3
      And who do you need? Enlightener of us dark, pajalast!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 10 January 2018 12: 15
        +5
        For Sobchak, of course. She will solve all the problems of the Russians. I remember in House-2 and didn’t do such things.
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 35
          0
          Judging by his profile picture, not for Sobchak.
  15. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 10 January 2018 11: 29
    17
    With a population decline of up to 40 million
    It will be simply impossible to control the territory
    So
    1. 97110
      97110 11 January 2018 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Some kind of Compote
      It will be simply impossible to control the territory

      This is a pipe master problem. Not enough - they will bring more. What they want: white Orthodox, black Catholics, yellow Buddhists. They will not bring only the swarthy white race of the Judaists - they are chosen for another ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 January 2018 19: 46
      +1
      All these calculations of demography are complete crap, in the 2000s we were told that in 2015 the population of Russia will be reduced to 130 million - in the 2030s we will generally have 100 million - every year from year to year a continuous la, la, la, la. The population of Russia is now almost 148 million - my forecast for 2032 will be 154 million.
  16. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2018 11: 29
    +3
    Quote: Fat Penguin
    Thumping should be less - one of the main causes of the early death of men.

    ---------------------------
    Thumping is not the reason. In men, immunity is weaker, the heart muscle is weaker (to the extent of “thumping” it sometimes keeps afloat) and much more is weaker.
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 12: 00
      +1
      Come on. If a man does not drink and does not smoke, he lives about as much as a woman. And in old age men are several times less than women, where did men go then? With stupid Gorbachev anti-alcohol measures, mortality nevertheless DECREASED.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 January 2018 19: 19
        +1
        on the mother’s street (72 years old) with 36 houses - there was one man of about the same age, many of the deceased men did not drink. Only grandmothers remained, all about the same age ...
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 13: 25
          0
          They personally reported to you that they do not drink and do not smoke?
      2. 97110
        97110 11 January 2018 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: Fat Penguin
        where did the men go then?

        Males are therefore more numerous at the entrance because they are needed to adapt the population to environmental changes. Women for the birth of offspring, which should both retain signs and change under conditions. So somewhere taught, it’s long been true.
    2. Dedall
      Dedall 10 January 2018 19: 25
      +3
      To begin with, in this appeal, out of 20 who arrived at a part of the young replenishment from the Chelyabinsk region: 3 - underweight, 4 - obesity 2 degrees, 1 - obesity 3 degrees, 6 - osteochondrosis of the spine. In addition, I add that 10 of them are smokers with an experience of 2-5 years. Who are you planning to raise the birth rate with?
      1. 97110
        97110 11 January 2018 19: 18
        +1
        Quote: Dedall
        Who are you planning to raise the birth rate with?

        I have 1 rooster in the chicken coop, one rabbit (Californian - because Arnold) in the rabbitry. Ringed-males and males seem to be born more, statistics were not kept. First of all, I score the excesses, the issue of raising is performed by the survivors. They are trying!
  17. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2018 11: 33
    +6
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Once on TV there was a report on how a German road car was purchased in a certain region ... 30 road workers ("Turk") are replacing this "device"!

    ----------------------------
    They showed a janitor who was given a walk-behind tractor and mounted sweeping equipment, a snow blower, etc. They said how well done he was and all that. In Germany, each janitor is given a walk-behind tractor with mounted equipment and he cleans 20 yards, not 1-2, like ours. At low salaries, it is more profitable to bring in chocks and produce the ethnic mafia, but our bureaucrats do not think about this.
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      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 January 2018 21: 04
        +2
        Often I think to start a career as a janitor.

        I'm afraid without knowledge of the Tajik language they won’t take you. Knowing Latin will not help here. lol
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 11 January 2018 02: 44
          +2
          Quote: glory1974
          I'm afraid without knowledge of the Tajik language they won’t take you.

          No jokes, but ................ in .......... ke! How dreamily did our “fathers-commanders” think? "We will have order, as in" Europe "! A businessman hungry for migrants to get a quota for a foreign" slave force "must" prove "to the migration service that the" locals "categorically do not want to work for him! Then he can "attract" migrants from the "near abroad" ... From the "far abroad" he can hire migrant workers only when he "proves" that neither "local" nor from the "near abroad" go to him! Logically, it is worth the "local" to wish work for this businessman, then he must dismiss the "Gaster" and hire "locally go! ”And how is going on“ in practice ”in Russia? If all the jobs are occupied by“ Gaster ”, then a damn two Russians get a job there! And there are already cases when Russian youth after school can’t get a job, at least temporarily.
      2. 97110
        97110 11 January 2018 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Dedall
        Often I think to start a career as a janitor.

        You will leave the doctors, there will be no connections, and they will not take you to the janitors. He joked, but in every joke there is a fraction of a joke ...
  18. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 10 January 2018 11: 54
    +4
    But what about replacement migration? Indeed, Russia is truly “Tseevrop”, only they have multiculturalism there, and we have internationalism, the friendship of peoples. But the result is the same - the extinction of the indigenous population and its replacement by newcomers.
  19. Forever so
    Forever so 10 January 2018 11: 57
    +1
    Liberal buggers keep their promises, they said 30 million people will die out, which means they will die out. In general, Margaret Thatcher also estimated that 16 million Russians would be enough for an instant community to service American and English gas and oil wells on Russian territory. Wells are already owned by am and impudent people, and the rest of the Medvedev government will complete the rest.
  20. Sirocco
    Sirocco 10 January 2018 12: 15
    +8
    About 8 years ago, at one of the forums, representatives of Germany already gave us such a forecast, and they also spoke about mass relocations from the republics of Wed. Asia, what do we have in the end? Who will force someone in the EU?)))))) Now about the poor pensioners, I know more than one pensioner who works, and does not whine whether this is good or bad, this is another question, it’s worth considering this topic internal and external both political and economic situation. Well, and most importantly, the drivers should pay attention to with our hands, this is what they published in the media today, it is the fact that our 700 businessmen bought Maltese citizenship from adversaries, thereby withdrawing and investing money earned in Russia, in a foreign country, Well, how is this approach, maybe it's time to end these capitalists from the Russian Federation. Otherwise, they will meet the enemy with bread and salt at the gate, and their children, the Decembrists, their mother’s children. As always, the workers and collective farmers are not troubled, but the fattening class and their offspring, are we waiting for new Decembrists or what?
  21. iouris
    iouris 10 January 2018 12: 21
    +6
    Quote: “43 million pensioners with 70 million working citizens create considerable pressure on the budget.” End quote.
    If there were no population in Russia, there would be life in Russia!
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 10 January 2018 17: 27
      +2
      considerable pressure on the budget - this is the kodla of oligarchs and highly paid government officials.
  22. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 10 January 2018 14: 14
    +1
    I love to read comments about the "State Department"))))
  23. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 10 January 2018 14: 35
    0
    ... our "peppy" journalist talks about how Russia would die, in my opinion, he would have to worry about his own, and he, you see, is for us - uneducated Russians, alcoholic cores, together with the author of the article ... like " to the mourners "I want to answer Abram with a famous Old Testament joke: - Do not wait! And not because everything is fine with us, but because for the time being, thank God, Allah, Jehovah, or whatever it is according to faith, the family is a man and a woman, and what about the problems, so where are they not? It’s just that the “axiom of the death of Russia” allows sharing the “inheritance” now, but this is no longer a concern, it is an interest.
  24. raw174
    raw174 10 January 2018 15: 05
    12
    I heard somewhere: "If you want to defeat the enemy, bring up his children." Our modern society is a consumer society, youth (to whom I belong, 32 years old) want to live for themselves, want to see the sea, beach and beautiful life, as on a glossy cover. Now it’s quite possible to raise 3 and 5 children, there are measures to support the state and other conditions, but it’s work! This is self-sacrifice! This is not in glossy magazines!
    My wife and I are planning a third this year, then we will think further, but in my understanding there should be at least three children! Yes, we don’t go to resorts, pay a mortgage, I was at sea only while serving in the Navy, we housekeeping, but when I’m in my bath with my seven-month-old son, and my wife is six-year-old daughter, and then we sit at the table together and drink tea - this is happiness for me personally! Give birth to a third, it will be more fun! We do not think about how the state will help us, whether there will be a benefit, we give birth for ourselves! Nevertheless, there is help, we accept it.
    It's time to change the values ​​of youth!
    1. Fat Penguin
      Fat Penguin 10 January 2018 15: 44
      +2
      It is not a matter of values, but of necessity (or its absence). Children were needed before, but now there is, on the contrary, a burden.
      One hundred years ago, everything was different, so there were many children. Since then, things have changed a lot.
      1. raw174
        raw174 11 January 2018 06: 19
        0
        Quote: Fat Penguin
        Children were needed before, but now there is, on the contrary, a burden.

        Maybe you're right ... But for me personally this approach, when children are a burden, is unacceptable, but it does not fit in my head ...
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 09: 25
          +1
          I'm not talking about feelings now, but only about the material side of things. Plus, besides this, there was no earlier, or was much worse, in terms of contraceptives. In general, everything has changed a lot over the last hundred years.
          And so you are well done, I approve.
          Although ... If you look very deeply ... But this is too long a conversation ...
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 11 January 2018 10: 40
        +2
        Children as a burden are for not very smart people who will understand their wrong when it will be too late to have children. By 47-50, loneliness and worthlessness will become apparent, there will be no friends left - only interlocutors and drinking buddies.
        And so the children who "did not like once" would want. All that remains is the reception room.
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 13: 33
          +1
          I’m just 47 (except for jokes), but I look my best! :-)
          Children didn’t feel like it now, alas!
          And yes, instead of chatting endlessly, maybe we’ll fold a little and help this guy financially?
          And then all these screams: I will tear the Americans!
          Let’s drop 500 rubles to a person waiting for a third child!
          If a hundred people will be reset already 50 thousand, a trifle but nice!
          1. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 14: 01
            0
            In addition to jokes, how will people support this action?
            1. Fat Penguin
              Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 14: 42
              0
              And in response to silence ...
              But where are our benefactors, communists, who are ready to take off their last tricks for the sake of the working masses? Where are you, AUUU !!!!!
              Even I, a bourgeois and an exploiter, are ready to help ....
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 12 January 2018 18: 22
            0
            The idea is good, support, ready.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 January 2018 16: 15
      +2
      What is your occupation? Where do you live? Just wondering.
      1. raw174
        raw174 11 January 2018 06: 16
        +2
        Quote: Greenwood
        What is your occupation?

        A state employee in the municipality (not an official), the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry + recently sent me to conduct an anti-terrorist commission (((s / n 21 with cop. TR, my wife is also a state employee, in the court apparatus, s / n about 23 tr, now on maternity leave, gets 13 with cop.
        Quote: Greenwood
        Where do you live?

        Chelyabinsk region rural area.
        1. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 11 January 2018 09: 57
          +3
          Well done, God give you health, strength and money ...
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 11 January 2018 16: 17
          +1
          Thanks for the reply.
          Quote: raw174
          A state employee in the municipality (not an official), the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry + recently sent me to conduct an anti-terrorist commission (((s / n 21 with cop. TR, my wife is also a state employee, in the court apparatus, s / n about 23 tr, now on maternity leave, gets 13 with cop.
          Horror, to be honest. We simply can’t live on such a salary in Vladivostok, I’m silent about starting a family and having children. 20 thousand we get a student girl in a call center Internet service provider or a student guy in a mobile phone salon.
          I previously worked in the civil service, quit because of the low salary, which was 30-35 thousand (plus bonuses of 5-10 ty, plus hackwork 5-10 ty.), Which is not enough for me. True, our prices in the region are much higher than yours.
          But in any case, you and your wife are great! Health and good luck to you! good
          1. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 18: 48
            0
            But I don’t work for a long time and live modestly, but quite tolerably (by my modest standards).
          2. Fat Penguin
            Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 18: 51
            0
            Well then, let’s reset the peasant?
          3. raw174
            raw174 12 January 2018 08: 02
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            But in any case, you and your wife are great! Health and good luck to you!

            Thank you!
            Quote: Greenwood
            True, our prices in the region are much higher than yours.

            Yes, I have a cousin married to a military man in the Far East, the prices there certainly can not be compared with ours! In our region, my income is enough for a normal life, plus my own farm.
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 11 January 2018 10: 53
      +2
      raw174,
      I wish your family health and well-being!
      I completely agree, I have long come to the same beliefs, already grandchildren, it’s a pity that only two, but there is still hope ...
      And still very sorry for the stupid and lonely, of whom there are so many around!
      Inevitable diseases in old age become a constant nightmare for single people, especially those who have been hospitalized for a long time.
      {change of diapers (if any) - once a day, there is not enough staff for more}.
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    4. 97110
      97110 11 January 2018 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: raw174
      but when I’m in my bathhouse a seven-month-old son’s wife, and my wife’s six-year-old daughter, and then we sit together at a table and drink tea - this is personally happiness for me!

      And you built a bathhouse - I still remember how my 10-year-old son worked as an auxiliary worker with me on building a bathhouse. And go for the brooms yourself. And cook firewood. If there is an economy, if you want, if you want, you get another education, not in an apartment on the 22nd floor and in a country house somewhere outside the city.
      1. raw174
        raw174 12 January 2018 08: 07
        0
        Quote: 97110
        And you built a bath

        No, I bought a house on a mortgage, the bath was already on the site.
        Quote: 97110
        And go for the brooms yourself. And cook firewood.

        Yes, I do it. The house is gasified, and the bathhouse is on wood, while I have strength, I will be drowning with wood, as I like it more than gas. A gas bath - like peeled seeds, it seems the same taste, but the process does not take)))
        1. 97110
          97110 12 January 2018 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: raw174
          it seems the taste is the same, but the process does not take)))

          And not a bit in the yard - everything in the stove burns out! I have an old garden, my hands will reach, I need a plum, half a cherry and an apple tree. While the neighbors, at their request, plum, apricot and tyutyunu dumped the bathhouse for firewood. Until 2003 he lived in an apartment, 10 km to the cottage, 25 minutes walk to the garage. Where is the child there too? In one or two rooms? They gave birth to two, but - the need for procreation, not really supported by anything. And the house needs a SON! The elder is no longer an assistant - he has subordinates created specifically to shorten the days of his quick life, he is many and far away. Together with the youngest (16 years old) I closed the roof on the house last summer. That is education, in my opinion. And the grandson and granddaughters from the eldest son and daughter are also brought up.
  25. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 10 January 2018 16: 02
    +2
    An increase in fertility makes sense only in conjunction with a parallel increase in the quality of the population.
    The demographic policy of the state should contribute to the stable growth of a healthy and prosperous population.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 January 2018 20: 47
      +2
      An increase in fertility makes sense only in conjunction with a parallel increase in the quality of the population

      At what stage will we sift out? Fertilization or birth? Or before serving in the army?
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 10 January 2018 21: 36
        0
        For each citizen throughout his life, you can maintain an "individual rating", taking into account the state of health, level of education and the availability of special merits.
        The state will only have to encourage childbearing in high-score pairs and limit the abandonment of offspring to low-score.
        Lee Kuan Yew created a similar system in Singapore.
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 05: 44
          +3
          It smells of some kind of Nazism. The Nazis were still killing the sick, quite “low-ball”, so to speak ...
    2. raw174
      raw174 11 January 2018 06: 27
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      An increase in fertility makes sense only in conjunction with a parallel increase in the quality of the population.

      I agree, but there really are no mechanisms. It is clear that every alcohol gives birth for the sake of cashing out the capital, then they hand over the children to the orphanage, now they promise 10 thousand rubles. allowance, so they will multiply even more! There is a problem, personally, I don’t see a solution ... only if I immediately take the dysfunctional (and they are all on a pencil and under supervision) children into a special orphanage with an army bias and make soldiers of them, cannon fodder, genetics at 95% from childhood more cases will not pull))) But this is just like the ball system - it smacks of fascism ...
  26. Glory1974
    Glory1974 10 January 2018 16: 43
    +4
    Experts agree that in Russia the retirement age is too early: 55 years for women and 60 years for men.

    Damned capitalists lie again. When the working day was reduced from 12 to 10 hours, they also said that the whole country would collapse and production would fall apart. Nothing happened. After the revolution, 8 hours were made, and labor productivity only increased.
    Now the capitalist bourgeoisie come from the other side: it is necessary to increase the retirement age. Allegedly no one to work. This is all nonsense.
    Stalin wanted to reduce the working day to 6 hours and the working week to 4 days. And if he were alive, he would do, and nothing would collapse.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 January 2018 19: 24
      +2
      Quote: glory1974
      After the revolution, 8 hours were made, and labor productivity only increased.
      -In what year? if before the war, so there was a six-day day if that ..
      Quote: glory1974
      Stalin wanted to reduce the working day to 6 hours and the working week to 4 days.
      -Stalin couldn’t even want such a delirium, with a wild intercourse, the country only by the 60s began to crawl out of the ruins
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 January 2018 20: 46
        0
        Stalin couldn’t even want such nonsense, the country just began to crawl out of the ruins by 60

        And he planned to do this not in the 45 year. Just then, the planning horizon was decades ahead. And now at 3, they’ll redo it ten times. By the way, Khodorkovsky suggested returning the 10 hour working day to the code, probably also before the war.
        1. Fat Penguin
          Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 09: 34
          +1
          Planning for decades is chatter: either the donkey will die, or the paddies.
          There, corn-bearer in 1980 communism promised ....
          Are there proofs, by the way?
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 14 January 2018 15: 46
            0
            In the 1952 year, in his work "The economic problems of socialism in the USSR," Stalin considered the possibility of switching the whole country to an 5-6 hour work day so that people would have more time for self-development and rest.

            I give you an excerpt from his book:



            “It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they can freely choose their profession, and not to be confined for life, due to the existing division of labor, to one profession.

            What is required for this? It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without major changes in the current situation of labor. To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education. For this, it is necessary, further, to introduce compulsory polytechnical education, which is necessary so that members of the society have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be confined for life to one profession. To do this, we need to further radically improve housing conditions and raise the real wages of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the wage and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. ”
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 11 January 2018 11: 02
      +1
      Too simple (simplicity is worse than theft) is disgusting to read, would be ashamed with such comments, and even completely off topic.
      The problem is very serious, it requires society to develop effective protective measures, and not empty talk.
  27. andrew42
    andrew42 10 January 2018 17: 16
    +2
    The problem is the economic structure, which A) develops spontaneously, B) following the global bourgeois (or rather the liquidity) tendency to suck out productive forces from peoples and states, with the rejection of "extra millions" (often slipping through the term "entered the market). Ah, how in the 80s we liked to paint about the “eco-cities” of the future, where “people in white clothes” living on country sites on antigravs come to work in high-tech workshops. And WHERE are all these dreams? Is such an economic structure the only cornerstone arrived as an oligarchy, often covered by “state interests.” As a result, the melting people feed the state, rather than the state, working to increase the population and increase its level of welfare. With the vast open spaces and natural resources in Russia (fresh water! is already a treasure) more than 50% of the population would naturally live outside the cities.A large city is an overloaded infrastructure, swollen administrators nations and "service" companies of all stripes, bloated crime and huge funds to fight it, increased epidemiological danger, and much more. We are more than sure that if we had not turned away from the socialist path, from the planned economy, an outflow from the stone jungle to the countryside would already be underway. And, mimicking Lenin, but in the subject, - "plus the gasification of the whole country." But we have what we have: a dozen large cities + 2 megalopolises, with a bloated service sector, in which the “creative” population revolves, which just does not give birth only, because it lives “for itself.” The latter is still a typical mother’s refrain - reconnaissance - "give birth to a child", but this is already sociology. The problem is in the ideology of power, in the ideology of "earn / grab a dough" - without a reasonable ceiling and limit, and it is not clear why in the end. As a result, it’s huge the living space ", which the Nazis of the Euro-Reich spit out on, this space is so ineptly used that the peoples living in it are shrinking, but not mastering it. As they say, they are the fruits, this is the result. And the rest is the nonsense of the marketers.
    1. CHRICK
      CHRICK 10 January 2018 17: 45
      +2
      Until Russia returns the constitution of the USSR i.e. Stalin, until all management methods return to state ownership, while part of the central government and in the same places and provinces will be liberals and their satellites receiving royalties from the State Department, while in Russia will operate a non-profit organization, the Osin nest of the Vlasov Trotskyists Yeltsin Center, until liberals will be in charge of the government’s economic unit - nothing will change, and the intilection is lousy and corrupt, that the Solovki cry for them and logging, for all this we’ll give a swamp of liberal shit.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 10 January 2018 19: 50
        +2
        Constitution? - This is not enough! Need an ideology. Without ideology, any society is a herd of rams on a consumer market controlled by shepherds-procurers who, priori, do not bear any real responsibility before the herd.
        1. Alber
          Alber 10 January 2018 20: 44
          +4
          Quote: andrew42
          Constitution? - This is not enough! Need an ideology. Without ideology, any society is a herd of rams on a consumer market run by shepherds-procurers who a priori do not bear any real responsibility.

          it is necessary to return the socialist system.
          nothing better was invented.
          instead of a stupid State Duma, to assemble a Council of People's Deputies
          1. 97110
            97110 11 January 2018 19: 42
            +1
            Quote: Alber
            instead of a stupid State Duma, to assemble a Council of People's Deputies

            And who will become the PEOPLE'S DEPUTY? Elected, one must think, from the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party and the majority-from the Popular Front of Putin? Are there any other options? True true? They made fun.
            1. Alber
              Alber 13 January 2018 13: 29
              0
              Quote: 97110
              And who will become the PEOPLE'S DEPUTY? Elected, one must think, from the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party and the majority-from the Popular Front of Putin? Are there any other options? True true? They made fun.

              only from the people! from the outback. it is full of honest and decent people.
              and if you don’t find yourself decent, turn to me.
              and yet yes, look from the laugh pants do not lose
    2. your1970
      your1970 10 January 2018 19: 27
      +1
      Quote: andrew42
      More than sure, if we had not turned off the socialist path, from the planned economy, an outflow from the stone jungle to the countryside would already be underway
      - still not turning off the socialist path, the people were already fleeing to the city with might and main
      The formula "You will not study, you will go to the factory to work !!!" - invented NOT democrats and NOT in the 90-2000s
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 10 January 2018 19: 59
        +2
        And it was. But not on such a scale. Judging by the nickname, we are almost the same age. So, my memory is good. And in his youth he himself worked at a factory. Those Soviet guys from the workshops on intellect would give odds to current managers. Torn people from villages to cities? - Yes, it was, and no one says everything was done right. But, firstly, not on such a scale, because no one in the village was miserable as now, and there was no general escape. . Secondly, there was also a reverse trickle - some people who left for state farms, by the way, also did not have a good life - here the housing issue was a big deal. And those who departed to the village did not live in poverty, they worked hard and cool, but they did not become miserable. And at his home, as a rule. And as for the formula “you’ll go to work at the factory”, those who went to study, including from polytechnics, were those who “went to study”. And to speculate with such a formula is pure posnerovism of the 90s, the defamation of an order that does not suit parasites.
  28. uskrabut
    uskrabut 10 January 2018 17: 23
    +3
    “In recent years, labor shortages in Russia have become a structural problem, Tribe further points out. Companies have problems filling open vacancies. By the way, this is reflected in higher wages: from 2008 to 2015, real wages grew by an average of 2,7 , 1,6% per year, and labor productivity grew by only XNUMX%. "
    Very similar to a custom article! It is painful that all the facts were rigged in the interests of the "elite" (swindlers from the government). If there is not enough workforce (quality), then why not simplify the procedure for obtaining citizenship for ethnic Russians? About salary growth - all nonsense! All the troubles of the Russian population from poverty. We either sacrificed our own prosperity for the sake of loyalty to the national republics, or fed our nascent "market" with our lives in the 90s, or are now deprived of our salaries so that the "elites" ate three throats. Vile.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 January 2018 19: 34
      0
      Quote: uskrabut
      why not simplify the procedure for obtaining citizenship for ethnic Russians?
      -how to determine ethnic russian?according to the documents?
      I have a friend Sergey Sergeyevich Sergey, a purebred Kazakh (mom / dad / grandfathers / grandmothers) with a mark in the 5th column of the USSR passport "Russian" ... And vice versa - Zaripov Maxim Akhmedovich-practically Russian - whose great-great-grandfather was a Turkmen (was somehow a representative of the kings from the Khiva khanate and married in Rosiii in St. Petersburg) - the rest are all Russian ...
      Skulls to measure? Paper to believe?
      AS?????!!!!!
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 January 2018 21: 08
        0
        AS?????!!!!!

        My acquaintances from Kyrgyzstan received Russian citizenship. They took the name "Ivanov". Ethnic Kyrgyz. It's like in America. Arrived there, then an American. He came to us, which means Russian of Kyrgyz origin.
  29. Mikhail Filippov
    Mikhail Filippov 10 January 2018 17: 27
    +3
    Well, that's why I think it is necessary to invite Russians from the former republics of the USSR to Russia
    1. Babalaykin
      Babalaykin 10 January 2018 20: 36
      0
      The people are already rushing, standing in line at night.
  30. Abracadabrus
    Abracadabrus 10 January 2018 17: 31
    +3
    My favorite question I ask when I see another Natsik is how many children do you have? Sometimes they answer one, very rarely - two, they often say that they are not yet married. That is the whole national idea on this. If Arabs give birth to five or more children, and in Russia we have 1-2 children, then you can even glue yourself with slogans, anyway, other nations will live on this earth over time.
  31. CHRICK
    CHRICK 10 January 2018 17: 38
    0
    Worms i.e. the liberal (patriots) always whine that they live in the ass - this is their biography, but in their ass they are not viable - this is biology.
  32. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 10 January 2018 17: 38
    +2
    No matter how the elections in Russia, you have either crossed the river or 41 years old ... And the Savior and the enemies are the same. Here one of the two, or the "Savior" is incompetent, or the enemies are not the same.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 10 January 2018 18: 16
      +4
      Quote: Sergey Cojokar
      No matter how the elections in Russia, so you have a crossing, then 41 years ... And the "Savior" and the enemies are the same

      Why are you so excited?
      You are
      Quote: Sergey Cojokar
      Fifth, I do not plan a trip to Russia in the next 100 years


      Quote: Sergey Cojokar
      Here one of the two, or the "Savior" is incompetent, or the enemies are not the same

      You would have to deal with the local parliament ... otherwise the Romanians will grumble you there, as they grumble request
      1. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 10 January 2018 22: 15
        +1
        Yes, like hell, who grunts. If not Romanians. then the local bandos. So Romanians are better, there are no laws there. Russia, in the words of its ambassador to Moldova, directly stated that there was no interest in Moldova. Now that we have clarified our positions, let's return to my question, if you have something to say about the crossing and 41 years before each election in Russia, tell me, and if not, keep silent.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 January 2018 06: 34
          +5
          Quote: Sergey Cojokar
          let's get back to my question

          Oh how ... but it seemed to me that I asked a question belay
          I repeat: with what fright a resident of sunny Moldova, who has no relation to the Russian Federation from the word "in general," at the Russian forum asks provocative (and your question is of such a plan) questions?
          And?
          1. Alber
            Alber 11 January 2018 12: 02
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            with what fright a resident of sunny Moldova, who has no relation to the Russian Federation from the word "in general", at the Russian forum asks provocative (and your question is of such a plan) questions?
            And?

            that’s why you big-headed Jack (probably smart at school?) got to the bottom of a Moldovan resident who is most likely our man from Russians and dissatisfied with his questions ...
            Why do not you resent the dominance in the forum of Jews from Israel and disguised as Russian crypto Jews? who from morning until late at night advise us Russians how to live? probably their position is close and he is one of them?
            you can not answer
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 January 2018 12: 52
              +6
              Decided to teach me to live, in any way?
              Come on ... by. Scatter, damn it negative
          2. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 11 January 2018 13: 02
            +1
            To answer the question with the eternal prerogative of one indefatigable tribe. But I will answer you Jack. My Soviet past does not let me go, my youth passed in Ukraine, my maturity in Russia, I meet old age in Moldova. I speak, write and read in three languages ​​fluently. I am Soviet. And he made his contribution to the economy of the three republics. In Ukraine, I participated in the construction of the Dnepr-Donbass canal. In Russia, enrichment plants on diamond pipes, in Moldova I built kindergarten schools for residential high-rise buildings. This, it gives me the right to ask questions. But they seem provocative, only to you and such ka empty gods who "suddenly" realized themselves as individuals of the "race of lords".
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 January 2018 15: 38
              +5
              Quote: Sergey Cojokar
              This, it gives me the right to ask questions

              Clear. I agree.
              Quote: Sergey Cojokar
              let's get back to my question

              Let's.
              Quote: Sergey Cojokar
              No matter how the elections in Russia, you have either crossed the river or 41 years old ... And the Savior and the enemies are the same. Here one of the two, or the "Savior" is incompetent, or the enemies are not the same

              Since the question is asked very "generally", I will answer this way:
              There are always enemies, the most diverse. Among them there are both old-timed and re-emerged.
              As for the "savior" - here ... a matter of taste. In general, I am satisfied with the dynamics (namely, the changes) that are taking place in the Russian Federation.
              It seems that you are not (this is despite the fact that you do not live in Russia).
              Unlike you, who sees only black, I see a certain spectrum. And changes in this spectrum allow me to hope that in 100-150 years it will live in Russia ... quite comfortably, as it is now in Sweden, for example.
              PS: As for the "race of gentlemen" and other things, by, I am a hired labor on wages.
              However, I am absolutely exactly what and who thinks of me.
              1. Sergey Cojocari
                Sergey Cojocari 11 January 2018 20: 37
                +1
                “Unlike you, who sees only black, I see a certain spectrum. And changes in this spectrum allow me to hope that in 100 to 150 years I’ll live in Russia ... it’s quite comfortable, like now in Sweden , eg." (Quote, from Jack G.)

                - Jack, If your “Savior”, God forbid, says something like that about the “prospect of 150 years,” he is crucified at the gates of the Kremlin.
                For the rest. You twitch out of habit, I see missed opportunities where you shake
                in an orgasm from the sight of achievements, Whom You Can’t Call,
            2. Alber
              Alber 12 January 2018 07: 49
              0
              Quote: Sergey Cojokar
              To answer the question with the eternal prerogative of one indefatigable tribe. But I will answer you Jack. My Soviet past does not let me go, my youth passed in Ukraine, my maturity in Russia, I meet old age in Moldova. I speak, write and read in three languages ​​fluently. I am Soviet. And he made his contribution to the economy of the three republics. In Ukraine, I participated in the construction of the Dnepr-Donbass canal. In Russia, enrichment plants on diamond pipes, in Moldova I built kindergarten schools for residential high-rise buildings.

              You are a good man! You have contributed to the development of our common country. Respect to you!
  33. 981698
    981698 10 January 2018 17: 43
    +2
    Stalin 30mil. shot officials (corrupt officials), now they raised 40 miles. corrupt officials. We will shoot. It is important to restore order in the country, by what method, it does not matter!
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 11 January 2018 10: 08
      +2
      Quote: 981698
      Stalin 30 shot officials (corrupt officials), now brought up 40mil. corrupt officials. We will shoot.

      My dear man, you and Solzhenitsyn surpass ...
  34. sotnik53
    sotnik53 10 January 2018 17: 44
    +5
    Yes, in our country is full of unclaimed labor, both unskilled and skilled. Only here, employers do not want to pay decent wages and hire CIS citizens who work for a penny. Massive cuts are taking place in the country, even at defense enterprises. What a demographic catastrophe we can talk about! You have to pay for labor.
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 11 January 2018 08: 30
      0
      But all this mass of unemployed will run 2018 for pull their hands at Pu!
  35. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 10 January 2018 17: 45
    +5
    It's horrible. It's not just about fertility. Free insurance medicine is becoming a myth. Getting medical help is becoming increasingly difficult. The lines in the outpatient clinics are terrible. You have to buy the medicine yourself in the hospital. That is increasing mortality. As for the work of pensioners, so create jobs for pensioners! After all, after 50 they don’t take to work !!
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 10 January 2018 17: 51
      0
      ... I would like to say that everything is not as deplorable as you write, only my father in the Pskov region was hospitalized ... and he was in his eighth decade ...
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 10 January 2018 18: 07
      +7
      Quote: andrew 07
      in the hospital you have to buy medicine yourself

      Yak, mustache? belay
      Let me tell you: not all and not always. When I was lying, I didn’t need to buy anything.
      Quote: andrew 07
      after 50 they don’t take to work

      Gonevo.
      I feel good for 50, for the last 3 years I changed my work three times.
      Twice I didn’t really like it - I left ... for free bread, so to speak ... not very fat.
      Since April last year, I have been working in the next office, while everything suits me.
      If you are special - they will take you "for 60".
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 11 January 2018 09: 51
        +1
        As for the chasing, let's not be so categorical, we have a big country and the possibilities are different for everyone ... "Yak, mustache?" In the Krasnodar Territory of Slavyansk-on-Kuban, they simply didn’t take their hands open without money with a comminuted fracture without money ... in Krasnodar, they operated on a neighbor in the direction without taking a penny with everything you need ... the axis for you ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 January 2018 09: 57
          +4
          Quote: Nikolay73
          our country is big and everyone has different opportunities

          It's true.
          Quote: Nikolay73
          to the hospital without money with a comminuted fracture, they simply did not take their hands open without money

          How much money, for what purpose?
          I never said that all-all-all is free.
          So it never was, as far as I remember myself (and I remember ... quite a while ago).
          Quote: Nikolay73
          in Krasnodar, they operated on a neighbor in the direction without taking a dime with everything necessary

          With the same turning point, or are you already talking about something else?
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 11 January 2018 10: 04
            0
            ... in Slavyansk a doctor extorted for hospitalization, nurses for an injection, a nanny for care - this is not an isolated case, with a neighbor - this is another case, the region is one, the hospitals are different ... both happened last spring ... last year ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 January 2018 10: 08
              +4
              Quote: Nikolay73
              ... in Slavyansk, a doctor extorted for hospitalization, nurses for an injection, a nanny for care - this is not an isolated case

              A hard case ... but what, excuse me, does this have to do with
              Quote: andrew 07
              Free insurance medicine is becoming a myth. Getting medical help is getting harder, Queues in polyclinics are terrible, you have to buy medicines yourself in the hospital

              ?
              IMHO no request
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 11 January 2018 10: 14
                0
                ... rather, this is not to your dispute with andrew 07, but a private smear to the big picture ...
                1. Nikolay73
                  Nikolay73 11 January 2018 10: 43
                  0
                  ... but the lack of places in the hospital, the lack of medicines, the reduction of the length of stay in the hospital, the lack of staff, low salaries, although I think everyone knows this without me ... Captain O. No, we do not have the worst system for providing medical help to the population, I just want better.
        2. Alber
          Alber 11 January 2018 12: 08
          0
          Quote: Nikolay73
          As for the chasing, let's not be so categorical, we have a big country and the possibilities are different for everyone ... "Yak, mustache?" In the Krasnodar Territory of Slavyansk-on-Kuban, they simply didn’t take their hands open without money with a comminuted fracture without money ... in Krasnodar, they operated on a neighbor in the direction without taking a penny with everything you need ... the axis for you ...

          The Krasnodar Territory (Kuban) is already the patrimony of the Armenians, the polar army moved there .... Here is the answer to questions about extortion and bribes.
          get good posts and high posts for money ...
          Garegin Tasunyan is still the president of the Union of Bankers of the Russian Federation?
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 11 January 2018 13: 42
            0
            ... yeah, that means who is to blame? Only the doctor is not an Armenian, and nurses, and nannies, and traffic cops ... Krasnodar Territory is not only the Kuban, Kushchevskaya is also the Armenians? There are no bad peoples, there are bad people. I didn’t think that something like that was clear to anyone else.
            1. Alber
              Alber 16 January 2018 22: 25
              0
              Quote: Nikolay73
              ... yeah, that means who is to blame? Only the doctor is not an Armenian, and nurses, and nannies, and traffic cops ... Krasnodar Territory is not only the Kuban, Kushchevskaya is also the Armenians? There are no bad peoples, there are bad people. I didn’t think that something like that was clear to anyone else.

              they have a lot of bad people ...
              do you want me to start listing their high-profile crimes lately?
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 17 January 2018 11: 12
                0
                If you want, you can give crime statistics (if there really is one) with ethnicity ... among my acquaintances Armenians are doctors, heroes of Russia and the Soviet Union, educated, smart and educated people, I won’t say that they are all like that, it’s it is also inappropriate to say that all Slavs are white and fluffy or black and ruffy ... do you think otherwise? It's your right. My opinion is based on personal life experience.
  36. q75agent
    q75agent 10 January 2018 17: 50
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    typical whiner, liberal, State Department agent, whining plaintively, at a time when the country is hard! because of these, young people do not have enough pills, and kindergarten babies! because of these, the "average age" must plow at work and pay a penny to these parasites! retired, be useful to the country ... make hara-kiri ...

    you and 22 moral freak !!! retired and ... do hara-kiri - start with yourself !!!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 January 2018 18: 46
      +1
      These moral just know this moral monster. Unlike you. Cool down.
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 10 January 2018 22: 18
      +1
      Read carefully. This is SARCASM on the topic ...
  37. Dmitriy75
    Dmitriy75 10 January 2018 17: 59
    0
    Eurogean tales for idiots. In our country, of course, not everything is good, but not bad, we are working on our problems, we will figure it out without the cocks. Such frightening articles always fall at the polls, pro-Western trolls are not asleep.
  38. nvpoldmir180356
    nvpoldmir180356 10 January 2018 18: 05
    +3
    I judge in our village in Chelyabinsk. Young people of 80-87 years old died out by 50% -60%. The rest are half sick.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 January 2018 19: 52
      0
      Say thanks for this to the dirty industry of the region - the USSR didn’t care about the environment and people in general, all industrial accidents, including those with hazardous emissions - were hushed up. They didn’t say anything, they turned the whole country into a chemical sump - it’s not surprising that we have so many ankobolnyh and suffering from diseases.
  39. DPN
    DPN 10 January 2018 19: 22
    0
    Everything is true basically in the family, one rarely has two children, and this is with our territory. We have to rent it for free for an unlimited term. Young people have no incentive and will not have it in the near future, at 20% per annum from the bank and even give birth looking how close they eat who needs it.? The country seems to be NO.
  40. Gloomy
    Gloomy 10 January 2018 19: 31
    +3
    No need to come up with any kind of foolishness, subsidies, mat capital, etc., etc.
    Give young people the opportunity to get a decent salary in their own city, and affordable housing (although the second follows from the first) is all.
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    1. SergF123
      SergF123 11 January 2018 08: 29
      0
      So we’re going to this - that’s what outrages !!! And PAHs only pit, and life does not make it better
  42. Severok
    Severok 10 January 2018 19: 55
    +1
    With a modern government and a liberal economic traitorous bloc in the government, Russia expects an imminent aging and population decline + a further economic downturn towards the ABSOLUTE ideal of Chubais, when he said: “that you are worried about these .... well, they’ll die a million or two, they couldn’t adapt "

    What needs to be done:
    1) To shoot or ban with confiscation of the whole unjustly acquired liberal economic bloc of the government with a defeat in the rights regarding bank accounts, occupied posts, in the assignment of social benefits and benefits on an equal basis with their close relatives.
    2) To do the above with the previous composition of the government of the Russian Federation, with all the compositions of the State Duma and the councils of federations.
    3) To revive the legislation of the USSR, to return the Stalinist Constitution.
    4) Return to the scheme of government of the country since the times of the Soviet Socialist Republic, conduct a wide nationalization of energy resources, mineral resources, water, land, infrastructure and housing and communal services.
    5) Introduce a support system for those sections of the population who wish to move to permanent residence in the countryside.
    6) Introduce a support system for ALL families with minor children, both their own and foster, until the children reach the age of 16 years.
    7) To return the education and health system to the level of 1980.

    Only under these conditions is it possible to increase the population and its standard of living.
    1. Alber
      Alber 10 January 2018 20: 53
      +1
      Quote: Severok
      With a modern government and a liberal economic traitorous bloc in the government, Russia expects an imminent aging and population decline + a further economic downturn towards the ABSOLUTE ideal of Chubais, when he said: “that you are worried about these .... well, they’ll die a million or two, they couldn’t adapt "

      What needs to be done:
      1) To shoot or ban with confiscation of the whole unjustly acquired liberal economic bloc of the government with a defeat in the rights regarding bank accounts, occupied posts, in the assignment of social benefits and benefits on an equal basis with their close relatives.
      2) To do the above with the previous composition of the government of the Russian Federation, with all the compositions of the State Duma and the councils of federations.
      3) To revive the legislation of the USSR, to return the Stalinist Constitution.
      4) Return to the scheme of government of the country since the times of the Soviet Socialist Republic, conduct a wide nationalization of energy resources, mineral resources, water, land, infrastructure and housing and communal services.
      5) Introduce a support system for those sections of the population who wish to move to permanent residence in the countryside.
      6) Introduce a support system for ALL families with minor children, both their own and foster, until the children reach the age of 16 years.
      7) To return the education and health system to the level of 1980.

      Only under these conditions is it possible to increase the population and its standard of living.


      first shoot the entire 5th column and disperse the Duma
  43. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 37
    0
    Quote: Sirocco
    About 8 years ago, at one of the forums, representatives of Germany already gave us such a forecast, and they also spoke about mass relocations from the republics of Wed. Asia, what do we have in the end? Who will force someone in the EU?)))))) Now about the poor pensioners, I know more than one pensioner who works, and does not whine whether this is good or bad, this is another question, it’s worth considering this topic internal and external both political and economic situation. Well, and most importantly, the drivers should pay attention to with our hands, this is what they published in the media today, it is the fact that our 700 businessmen bought Maltese citizenship from adversaries, thereby withdrawing and investing money earned in Russia, in a foreign country, Well, how is this approach, maybe it's time to end these capitalists from the Russian Federation. Otherwise, they will meet the enemy with bread and salt at the gate, and their children, the Decembrists, their mother’s children. As always, the workers and collective farmers are not troubled, but the fattening class and their offspring, are we waiting for new Decembrists or what?

    In the mid-90s, “experts” in the West, and more precisely in the USA, said that by 2020 the population of Russia, even if it doesn’t fall apart, and then few people would believe this would have 100 million people in average, 115
  44. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 40
    +1
    Quote: Severok
    With a modern government and a liberal economic traitorous bloc in the government, Russia expects an imminent aging and population decline + a further economic downturn towards the ABSOLUTE ideal of Chubais, when he said: “that you are worried about these .... well, they’ll die a million or two, they couldn’t adapt "

    What needs to be done:
    1) To shoot or ban with confiscation of the whole unjustly acquired liberal economic bloc of the government with a defeat in the rights regarding bank accounts, occupied posts, in the assignment of social benefits and benefits on an equal basis with their close relatives.
    2) To do the above with the previous composition of the government of the Russian Federation, with all the compositions of the State Duma and the councils of federations.
    3) To revive the legislation of the USSR, to return the Stalinist Constitution.
    4) Return to the scheme of government of the country since the times of the Soviet Socialist Republic, conduct a wide nationalization of energy resources, mineral resources, water, land, infrastructure and housing and communal services.
    5) Introduce a support system for those sections of the population who wish to move to permanent residence in the countryside.
    6) Introduce a support system for ALL families with minor children, both their own and foster, until the children reach the age of 16 years.
    7) To return the education and health system to the level of 1980.

    Only under these conditions is it possible to increase the population and its standard of living.

    1. Well, of course, they will be replaced by pure patriots who will not steal, but will work for the country.
    2. Well, yes.
    3. Hahah, it is clear to return the USSR, I will not even disassemble it further, delirium on delirium. And the last point. Where to get the money? Just don’t say: oh when we shoot them, bam we will find a lot of money.
  45. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 41
    +2
    Quote: 981698
    Stalin 30mil. shot officials (corrupt officials), now they raised 40 miles. corrupt officials. We will shoot. It is important to restore order in the country, by what method, it does not matter!

    hahahahaha, why not 100 million? 30 million officials, per 200 million country. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  46. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Abracadabrus
    My favorite question I ask when I see another Natsik is how many children do you have? Sometimes they answer one, very rarely - two, they often say that they are not yet married. That is the whole national idea on this. If Arabs give birth to five or more children, and in Russia we have 1-2 children, then you can even glue yourself with slogans, anyway, other nations will live on this earth over time.

    In all countries where the population seeks in cities, the birth rate is falling. In China, one of the lowest in the world. In Europe and the USA. Well, yes, give birth to 5 children. Let them live in poverty, eat, eat, but we will help the country! Then they can die for her with honor! After all, there was no normal life
  47. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 44
    0
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: uskrabut
    why not simplify the procedure for obtaining citizenship for ethnic Russians?
    -how to determine ethnic russian?according to the documents?
    I have a friend Sergey Sergeyevich Sergey, a purebred Kazakh (mom / dad / grandfathers / grandmothers) with a mark in the 5th column of the USSR passport "Russian" ... And vice versa - Zaripov Maxim Akhmedovich-practically Russian - whose great-great-grandfather was a Turkmen (was somehow a representative of the kings from the Khiva khanate and married in Rosiii in St. Petersburg) - the rest are all Russian ...
    Skulls to measure? Paper to believe?
    AS?????!!!!!

    He knows Russian very well, his hair is light brown (or other blond), there is no longer dark, blond eyes, the error may be in light brown. Everything
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 January 2018 21: 11
      0
      He knows Russian very well, his hair is light brown (or other blond), there is no longer dark, blond eyes, the error may be in light brown. Everything

      still need to check the cropped or not. I don’t know how with women? Maybe if pretty and other blood can be tolerated?
  48. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 45
    +1
    Quote: CHRIAN
    Until Russia returns the constitution of the USSR i.e. Stalin, until all management methods return to state ownership, while part of the central government and in the same places and provinces will be liberals and their satellites receiving royalties from the State Department, while in Russia will operate a non-profit organization, the Osin nest of the Vlasov Trotskyists Yeltsin Center, until liberals will be in charge of the government’s economic unit - nothing will change, and the intilection is lousy and corrupt, that the Solovki cry for them and logging, for all this we’ll give a swamp of liberal shit.

    It is necessary to live not in the past, but in the future. USSR collapsed, laugh. You ble still RI demanded to return.
    1. CHRICK
      CHRICK 10 January 2018 22: 06
      +3
      And I didn’t say what to return to the USSR, it’s necessary to take for the country and the people the best and not the shit of the West. Under capitalists, when there is no order, 5% of the country's population is processed by all residents of the Russian Federation. All the resources of the people are in the hands of these 5% of the oligarchy of the bourgeoisie and the hangers-on, and you consider this to be the future. the capitalist system is the dismemberment of the people, property, loss of honor, conscience, dignity, faith, loss of the heritage of their ancestors and then independence. Under Stalin, this was not.
      1. Fat Penguin
        Fat Penguin 11 January 2018 10: 02
        0
        Under Stalin, it was different, and such critics of power as you sat in the camps and rotted in the ditches.
        How old are you? Just curious.
  49. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 January 2018 20: 46
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: Fat Penguin
    If you set the task to increase the number of people, you need to encourage migration to the Russian Federation, and not random, but suitable people and give them citizenship.

    ------------------------------
    Well, the Kyrgyz receives Russian citizenship in 2 hours, and the Russian from Ukraine for several months. How to explain this?

    in 2 hours, seriously and without bribes? This is only in fairy tales, even I waited a month to replace my passport when I was 20, and this is a stupid replacement, and he was issued citizenship. Cool
  50. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 10 January 2018 21: 08
    +1
    Good article - work, brothers and .. sisters! BREED!