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Turkish cunning, American meanness

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At the turn of 2017-2018. dramatic news from Syria follow one after another, like from a Pandora’s box. The crash of a Russian helicopter in the province of Hama, two attacks on the Khmeimim airbase, heavy fighting between the Syrian army and terrorists in Harast (Damascus province), renewed shelling of the “moderate opposition” residential areas of the UAR capital, a new attack from Israel ... Against this background - the contradictions between Russia and the United States, as well as Turkey, which seemed to have forgotten who saved her regime during the attempted coup in July 2016, are becoming aggravated.




The most discussed event in Russia was the attack on the Khmeimim airbase 31 of December 2017, during which, according to the Ministry of Defense, two servicemen were killed. The Kommersant newspaper, known for its proliberal position, is either trying to thicken paint and sow panic, or in fact has received information from some source, as if seven Russian military planes were destroyed during this attack.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in its statement refuted the information issued by the Kommersant:

“The message of Kommersant about the alleged“ actual destruction ”of seven Russian military aircraft at Khmeimim airbase is a fake. The Russian air group in Syria is combat-ready and continues to carry out all tasks. ” At the same time, however, the ministry was forced to report the tragic news: Two Russians did die as a result of "a sudden mortar attack on a mobile sabotage militant group."


Without sufficient data, it is impossible to say who is right: the Ministry of Defense or the Kommersant newspaper. And there is no need to guess - this is not the most important. It is only clear that Kommersant in the current situation (especially in connection with the upcoming presidential elections) published its material for a reason: it is unlikely that this newspaper moved such motives as tribute to the dead. Previous publications of this publication on the Syrian theme speak quite differently.

For my part, I consider it due to honor the memory of those who died, fulfilling their international duty, only a little before the new, 2018 year. And to express condolences to their families and friends. According to available data, the names of the fallen December 31: Artem Kulish, Valery Matveev (died due to helicopter crash in Hama province) Timur Davlyatov, Renat Gimadiev (were the victims of the attack on the Khmeimim airbase). These guys have joined the heroes who previously gave their lives on the distant frontiers of our Motherland, honor and praise to them.

6 January 2018 was followed by a new attack on Hamim. This time - with the help of drones. The attack did not have serious consequences - it was reflected. But on the other hand, it caused new disputes between Russia and the United States on the eternal theme of “who is to blame.”

And here, Turkey has also taken a step that is clearly not friendly to Russia. The Erdogan regime once again demonstrated hypocrisy and sitting on two chairs, clearly playing along with the Americans along with their “favorite toy” - the “moderate opposition” of Syria. As if by order, it was at the time of the aggravation of the situation in the UAR itself and between Moscow and Washington that the Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the ambassadors of Russia and Iran to explain.

Turkey’s discontent is related to the situation in the province of Idleb. The Syrian army and its allies are accused of “violating de-escalation zones”. It is worth recalling: in the territory of Syria, there are now four de-escalation zones created by painstaking negotiations. One of them is Idleb province together with a part of Hama province, the other is located in Homs province, the third is Eastern Guta (Damascus province), the fourth is part of Daraa province in the south of the country.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavusoglu claims that the Syrian army is fighting not with terrorists, but with “moderate opposition”. This accusation was the occasion to call the ambassadors of Russia and Iran.

However, the regime of Erdogan prefers to keep silent about the fact that in the region of Eastern Guta this very “opposition” has frustrated the agreements, which has aggravated the situation in Harast. On the night of January 1, gunmen surrounded the base of the Syrian army, which suffered heavy losses. Four brigadier generals were killed. By now, however, the servicemen have broken through the blockade of the base, and the fighting is taking shape in favor of the SAR Armed Forces.

As for the province of Idleb, then, according to the latest data, it was from there that the attack took place at the Khmeimim airbase, as well as at the Tartus logistics center.

"The launch of drones was carried out from the area of ​​the settlement of Muazar, located in the south-western part of the Idleb de-escalation zone, controlled by armed formations of the so-called moderate opposition",

- Said the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

So much for the "de-escalation zone"!

Many experts agree that such an attack could not be carried out without US support. Washington categorically denies any involvement in the attack, stating that any amateur can collect such drones by buying spare parts in the Chinese market. However, MO experts emphasize that in order to program the UAV control controllers, you need to have a “decent engineering school in one of the developed countries." In addition, you need to know the exact coordinates. Apparently, “someone” provided the militants with space intelligence data. Moreover, by a strange coincidence, during the attack on Tartus and Hamim, an American reconnaissance aircraft was seen.

Anyway, the call of ambassadors to the Turkish Foreign Ministry is, of course, unpleasant. But diplomats know their stuff, and the Russian military know what to do with terrorists, even in the so-called “de-escalation zone”. Such attacks should not get away with it. No wonder on one of the bombs wrote: “Burn in hell for our boys”...
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 January 2018 07: 41
    21
    The United States, Israel, Turkey - all against Assad, for the dismemberment of Syria in their interests and all pose a threat to Russia in this region to one degree or another. Therefore, villainy and treachery should not be surprised, but you must be prepared for any scenario. We have no allies there (the Syrian army and Iran are also pursuing their own goals), and all the more, there are no friends.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 10 January 2018 07: 50
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      We there nor allies (the Syrian army and Iran also pursue their goals), and even less friends.

      there no, but where is it? We, as Sovereign Alexander Alexandrovich said, are the only allies.
      1. Vard
        Vard 10 January 2018 08: 44
        17
        The word is what ... a fake ... Or you can just lie ... And yet ... It seems that the opposition there becomes moderate a couple of seconds before the bomb falls ...
        .
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 10 January 2018 08: 48
          +6
          Quote: Vard
          There, it seems, the opposition becomes moderate, so to speak, a couple of seconds before the bomb falls ...

          And after the fall of the bomb, also biologically inactive and physically neutral
    2. madjik
      madjik 12 January 2018 21: 55
      +2
      And since when did the Turks allies? Who decided this? Author of the article? One question. Is the NATO member country what else do you need to say? The S-300 should return the weapons to them and the Khokhlov - the KhPP fell on the Ipatov method!
  2. corporal
    corporal 10 January 2018 07: 43
    10
    as if any amateur could collect such drones by buying spare parts on the Chinese market

    Is not it so?
    Many experts agree that such an attack could not be carried out without the support of the United States.

    Of course, apart from the Yankees, no one knows how to handle modern electronic toys. Why aren't the Chinese?
    In addition, you need to know the exact coordinates.

    Googlemaps to help.
    An American reconnaissance aircraft was spotted.

    Orion is an anti-submarine aircraft.

    In general, you don’t need to pull the owl on the globe, trying to disguise the commando’s rotoriousness. They themselves missed the plunge, themselves, and must admit their lack of joy.
    1. elenagromova
      10 January 2018 07: 51
      24
      Try to buy spare parts on the market, collect the drone and attack Google on the Pentagon)
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 January 2018 08: 01
        14
        Quote: elenagromova
        Try to buy spare parts on the market, collect the drone and attack Google on the Pentagon)

        Well, you can still single, but to collect a "flock" of a dozen, and run them simultaneously, so that the communication and control channels do not interfere, here really good knowledge and skills are needed.
        1. corporal
          corporal 10 January 2018 08: 12
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          but to collect a "flock" of a dozen, and launch them at the same time, so that the communication channels do not interfere,

          Have you ever seen a competition in aircraft modeling, when in the air at different sites are dozens of aircraft models of different classes, and that is typical, each from its own remote control. And no one bothers anyone.
          1. svp67
            svp67 10 January 2018 08: 19
            13
            Quote: Corporal
            Have you ever seen a competition in aircraft modeling, when in the air at different sites are dozens of aircraft models of different classes, and that is typical, each from its own remote control. And no one bothers anyone.

            And you imagine the transmitter powers of the “models” and such “drones”, control in hundreds of meters, and completely different in hundreds of kilometers, is one thing.
            1. corporal
              corporal 10 January 2018 08: 30
              +6
              Quote: svp67
              Do you imagine the transmitter powers of the "models" and such "drones"

              Imagine. Only here, for such ranges, another algorithm was described yesterday:
              1- all drones are equipped with ZhPS controllers and navigators
              2- launch in any remote place, flight on the navigator
              3- when approaching the base, the control is picked up by a pre-positioned operator (s)
              4- voila (fr.)
              1. Kirill Popov
                Kirill Popov 12 January 2018 22: 16
                0
                Which country is controlling the GPS data exchange?
          2. Sam
            Sam 12 January 2018 14: 04
            +1
            And all with a dozen bombs!
      2. corporal
        corporal 10 January 2018 08: 02
        +3
        Offhand https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/F16766-Hubsan-X4-C
        amera-Plus-H107C-6-axis-Gyro-RC-Quadcopter-with-7
        20P-Camera-RTF-2 / 32583746490.html? Yclid = 182249814
        42438373866 & src = yandex & albch = search & a
        cnt = 8135910 & isdl = y & aff_short_key = UneMJZVf
        & albcp = 30281523 & albag = 2951770068 & slnk
        = & trgt = & plac = & crea = 5237154076 & net
        w = search & device = desktop & mtctp =
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 12 January 2018 17: 47
          +6
          Corporal Are you curious about the Hubsan-X4-C
          amera-Plus-H107C led. This is a small copter, which is in the air for a maximum of 15 minutes. But what was applied by Khmeimim is closer to AeroVironment products. The kratom has been marked with a jeepies, the device is practically not necessary to control. But if you just fill in the coordinates from the map, it will be “Milk”, and therefore, to get in, you need to enter the current coordinates of the object. Here scout + satellite can do it. So that not everything is as simple as repenting. Aliexpress is the tip of the iceberg.
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 10 January 2018 08: 39
        +4
        I’m far from thinking that one hundred were guarding our base like the Pentagon ... And about “assembling a“ drone ”from market details ... Is it not with phrases of this nature that all the new UAVs of the Ukrainian side in the Donbass are accompanied?
      4. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 10 January 2018 13: 19
        +4
        Quote: elenagromova
        Try to buy spare parts on the market, collect the drone and attack Google on the Pentagon)

        It’s easy, of course, if, of course, there is a reconnaissance aircraft nearby, which will aim at the target.
      5. Meshchersky
        Meshchersky 12 January 2018 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: Corporal

        3- when approaching the base, the control is picked up by a pre-positioned operator (s)
        4- voila (fr.)
        there is no need for an operator. The landing point is programmed easier than ever. But Google Mapa does not work. Well, yes, and here it will help.
    2. svp67
      svp67 10 January 2018 07: 59
      +8
      Quote: Corporal
      Orion is an anti-submarine aircraft.

      Yes, but what did he do over land between our bases? Looking for submarines in the steppes?
      1. Spez
        Spez 10 January 2018 12: 51
        +5
        What steppes, take a look at the map, this is the coast.
        Naturally, this does not negate the fact that he appeared there for a reason.
    3. DeGreen
      DeGreen 10 January 2018 08: 04
      +4
      Are you, like, smart? US Marines in the desert, do you think it’s normal, and a US Navy plane far from the sea is nonsense?
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 January 2018 08: 20
        +9
        Quote: DeGreen
        Are you, like, smart? US Marines in the desert, do you think it’s normal, and a US Navy plane far from the sea is nonsense?

        This is the type I asked you a question. But do you “get smart” because you can’t answer anything, why was the “anti-submarine” plane circling over land and was it so “anti-submarine” at that moment or was it standing on it from other equipment or was it distracting our air defense forces?
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 11 January 2018 08: 21
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          But do you “get smart” because you can’t answer anything, why was the “anti-submarine” plane circling over land and was it so “anti-submarine” at that moment or was it standing on it from other equipment or was it distracting our air defense forces?

          The answer to this question has already been voiced 1000 times. The sense of a reconnaissance flight is not to aim at the target, there are cheaper and no less reliable methods for this, but to reconnoiter the characteristics of the functioning of the air defense of the Russian Federation guarding military bases, because the most modern systems are deployed there. The United States knew (or learned) about the attack by drones and took advantage of lifting into the sky what they had at that moment. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what Orion or Poseidon flew, their goal is to detect air defense parameters.
    4. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig 10 January 2018 14: 39
      +3
      There was not "Orion", but "Poseidon". It was barred for 2 hours at an altitude of 7 thousand meters.
    5. iggrimnir
      iggrimnir 15 January 2018 20: 35
      +1
      You’re quite strange, my friend, what Googlemaps to help? Are you conscious there? This is a military facility, and no googlemaps will help you. Of course you can try. And if it’s possible to assemble the case, for example, I’ve been engaged in aircraft modeling all my life, and I could have been able to assemble such garbage lightly, but barometric sensors, motion controllers, GPS navigation, ammunition dump controllers, are you out of your mind? Of course, it’s probably pleasant for you to justify the United States, but the militants are not too sick, everyone already knows that our attack simply erases square kilometers from the face of the earth, and changes the landscape at the same time. So there are no fools. But there are mattresses, and we are fighting there in an indirect way with them, do not flatter yourself.
  3. DeGreen
    DeGreen 10 January 2018 08: 01
    +8
    In mind, both Kommersant and Rambler have long been working against Russia and they must be closed for false information.
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 January 2018 08: 25
      +5
      Quote: DeGreen
      In mind, both Kommersant and Rambler have long been working against Russia and they must be closed for false information.

      Of course, this is exactly what the “democratic” countries do, we have a different approach
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 January 2018 08: 45
        +3
        some wrong. IMHO
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 10 January 2018 15: 33
      +3
      It has long been noticed who does not drink at a post or workplace, he is non-Russian, which means he is a spy. The statutes of the guard duty must be complied with! They are written in blood!
      1. Plombeer
        Plombeer 10 January 2018 16: 21
        +5
        Until the mid-19th century, Cossacks were forbidden to marry Russian girls. And whoever did this is universal censure. Although the Cossacks in a hiring from the southern peoples themselves brought beauties for a rush of new blood in the family and becoming more beautiful people. In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Polish king forbade Jews to buy land, with the drunkenness of the Cossacks, such sales nevertheless took place, subsequently such Cossacks from the Dniester, Dnieper went to the Don and Volga, subsequently founding the Don Cossack army, but initially the Cossacks were Polovtsi, who the culture was taken from the Alans. This information was collected from the culture of the Cossacks from the 15th to the 19th century. So the Cossack Council, in principle, was the democratic choice of the settlement, and later the regiment, but from the 18th century, the chieftain was centrally appointed by the Russian emperor. But you’re talking about Russians. Russians have simply been soldered for 4 centuries and someone even cleared the brain about the original Russian drink. THERE IS ONE SAYING: YOU WANT TO KNOW THE FUTURE - TEACH THE HISTORY, THERE ALREADY ALMOST EVERYTHING PASSED TO US
  4. Bastinda
    Bastinda 10 January 2018 08: 07
    14
    For 2 years, we managed to bend Erdogan, for the very tomatoes, (for a downed plane). Save Erdogan (during the coup). Scolding Erdogan (closing the straits, restricting the entry of ships from the Crimea). Sponsor Erdogan (gas pipeline construction). Arm Erdogan (S-400 sale).
    And again he does not like. What is it unstable ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 10 January 2018 08: 46
      +9
      an attempt to sit on two (three?) chairs may result in a rupture of the seat
      1. Spez
        Spez 10 January 2018 12: 54
        +7
        And if the chairs suddenly move, then pinch the testicles.
        1. novel66
          novel66 10 January 2018 12: 56
          0
          ah these sweet dreams
          1. Spez
            Spez 10 January 2018 13: 07
            +1
            Well, then how ...
    2. protoss
      protoss 11 January 2018 00: 44
      +6
      bent over? in 2016, they had a GDP growth of 2,9%, so they were more likely to restrain growth.
      saved? this myth is gaining more and more details (and only in Russia). in Turkey, after the trial of the putschists, in principle, it is clear to everyone that they were trapped and led to failure along the way.
      sponsored? So we need this gas pipeline in order to deliver the same volume of gas to the Turks, but Ukrainian transit does not interfere with the Turks just by Ukraine. resale of gas is still under a very big question.
      arm? well, before that at least a couple more years.
      1. Bastinda
        Bastinda 11 January 2018 06: 55
        +1
        I realized that after the post you need to put an emoticon at the end, (like a laugh behind the scenes) did all respondents take the mockery seriously?
  5. Morozyaka
    Morozyaka 10 January 2018 08: 37
    +7
    Quote: Corporal
    Offhand https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/F16766-Hubsan-X4-C
    amera-Plus-H107C-6-axis-Gyro-RC-Quadcopter-with-7
    20P-Camera-RTF-2 / 32583746490.html? Yclid = 182249814
    42438373866 & src = yandex & albch = search & a
    cnt = 8135910 & isdl = y & aff_short_key = UneMJZVf
    & albcp = 30281523 & albag = 2951770068 & slnk
    = & trgt = & plac = & crea = 5237154076 & net
    w = search & device = desktop & mtctp =

    But only for one-way flight, the camera and control are not needed. Auto take off is configured on any Chinese controller, as well as auto landing (or a bomb drop in the given coordinates). To assemble a glider with Chinese CNC or laser engraving is not a problem. Gathering and flying around the prototype - it will take a maximum of a week, and then they can be riveted a couple of pieces a day. All you need is a couple of boxes of aviation plywood or balsa, a kilometer of film for covering the wing, 4 servos (5 if you need a bomb drop, not an explosion when landing), an engine, a controller, a battery (the most expensive part of the plane, if you need to fly 50 km) , GPS module, Internet access to obtain the coordinates of a given target and YouTube for reptiles on setting up the controller
    The prime cost of the aircraft at a discount - 30 - 50 thousand rubles, depending on spare parts
    1. Satanator
      Satanator 10 January 2018 16: 01
      +5
      Quote: Morozyaka
      All you need is a couple of boxes of aviation plywood or balsa, a kilometer of film for covering the wing, 4 servos (5 if you need a bomb drop, not an explosion when landing), an engine, a controller, a battery (the most expensive part of the plane, if you need to fly 50 km) , GPS module, Internet access to obtain the coordinates of a given target

      there they put the production of these “products” on stream — so the business is not limited to a “pair of boxes” and batteries, the finished parts are brought in and “glued” together with adhesive tape.
      After all, they are all like a carbon copy - it means they were “developed” and made in an organized manner, there were bulk purchases, and not just a few ready-made components were ordered from Ali ...
    2. Meshchersky
      Meshchersky 12 January 2018 16: 11
      +3
      I do not need a dear battery;
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 January 2018 08: 44
    +3
    By and large, the author is not very different from the "Komersant". With a minimum and opposites of information, he has already appointed the perpetrators. Although recently, most authors in the case of any turmoil with Russia, without understanding, immediately begin to shout about the involvement of the State Department, Turkey, the Islamic State (banned), the Ukrainian junta and Bandera.
  7. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 10 January 2018 08: 54
    11
    Adequate people after such “raids” would have rubbed so many bamalei, oppositionists and their allies into sand dust that they would have discouraged the terrorists, the Americans, the Turks, and the opposition even from looking towards Russian bases! Why not start by wiping the Amer base in Syria with Syrian hands? Israel, for example, acts only by such methods.
    Although what am I talking about? Our domineering liquid substance can only flow around.
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 10 January 2018 13: 55
      11
      ... you have a very peculiar vision of adequacy. I must admit, I thought that you need to get into the batch either when you definitely win, or when it is all the same ... ... one of my former Ukrainian friends in 2013 was so happy about the opportunity to wash themselves with blood (and whose is not important), which is doubtful in its inadequacy I have not left, you, by the hour, will you not be those? Pour the world with your blood, deprive your old people and children of shelter and food? Are you talking about the flowing substance? Look at life sensibly, without glasses, no matter what color you have, and use your head as a truly adequate person.
      1. bk316
        bk316 12 January 2018 17: 07
        +4
        Him what. But it’s just a sofa, he’s not going to pour his blood.
        Although let's not escalate, he is not going to alien. Just a troll.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 January 2018 11: 48
      +3
      Quote: Antianglosaks
      Adequate people after such “raids” would have rubbed so many bamalei, oppositionists and their allies into sand dust that they would have discouraged the terrorists, the Americans, the Turks, and the opposition even from looking towards Russian bases!

      At one time, “Adequate people” tried to gain a foothold on the left bank of the Euphrates, the partners simply bombed them, hinting that according to the section of Syria they had nothing to do there, they didn’t repeat this anymore, all these attacks on Khmeimim were from the same opera, though this time we are talking about Idlib, also about compliance with the "Sukharev Convention"
    3. Sam
      Sam 12 January 2018 14: 06
      0
      is it possible to scream at the owners
      1. bk316
        bk316 12 January 2018 17: 06
        +5
        is it possible to scream at the owners

        You Ukrainians have never disclosed, there were suspicions that it is possible?
        Uncle Sam will punish you badly.
  8. kaschey
    kaschey 10 January 2018 09: 41
    +9
    "The Turkish Foreign Ministry called for an explanation of the ambassadors of Russia and Iran."
    I would like to know why the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and Syria does not call the ambassadors of Turkey and the United States because of the illegal presence of military forces of these countries on the territory of a sovereign state.
  9. NordUral
    NordUral 10 January 2018 11: 44
    +5
    Eagle's ears stick out - then definitely.
  10. Spez
    Spez 10 January 2018 12: 58
    +3
    Quote: Morozyaka
    Total needed - a couple of boxes of aviation plywood or balsa, a kilometer of film for covering the wing,

    They don’t win the championship, they’re doing everything easier. But the fact that the entire structure on the knee can be assembled, and at the same time work, is obvious.
    1. Sam
      Sam 12 January 2018 14: 08
      0
      Yes, and a dozen bombs in each shove, anyone can do it.
      1. Spez
        Spez 12 January 2018 14: 35
        +4
        If you do not understand how to do this, it does not mean that others will not be able to do this.
        At HE this is the third or fourth topic, which discusses the possibility of producing such UAVs in the barn.
        1. Kirill Popov
          Kirill Popov 12 January 2018 22: 24
          +2
          And not a single working copy from Internet engineers-experts-enthusiasts.
          1. Spez
            Spez 15 January 2018 12: 12
            +1
            To teach a fool ... You can, but not at your own expense. Pay the costs, and in a week the working copy will fly to you at the physical address of your mobile phone;)
  11. dDYHA
    dDYHA 10 January 2018 13: 16
    +7
    Russia has no interests there. Simply no. At least for now. Everything is only for Gazprom and Rosneft a war is being waged. Make the country strong inside. So that her citizens were well-fed and satisfied. And everyone will be drawn to a rich neighbor.
    1. Spez
      Spez 10 January 2018 14: 22
      14
      You need to look a little further and deeper than the glass. Bases in Syria allow Russia to control the situation in the entire BV from Egypt to Pakistan, and constantly support the strike force in the Mediterranean and Red Sea ... Although. why do you need it ...
      1. protoss
        protoss 11 January 2018 00: 53
        +3
        Why is it Russia? we can keep the shock groups there - cheers! for what? will we bomb the coast, capture slaves, rob passing galleons, monopolize the spice trade?
        what exhaust besides show off?
        what economic interests are there to protect us if our economy is not tied to the Mediterranean and the Red Sea in any way.
        1. Spez
          Spez 11 January 2018 01: 47
          +8
          About economic interests, you, not me, reported. So, they heard something somewhere, and according to Freud they reacted. I spoke about the expansion of defense capabilities. With the permanent presence of the 5th US fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, it is logical to take the opportunity to control its "tomahawks" from the Syrian coast or coastal waters without resorting to multi-day ship crossings from our north or from the Crimea.
          1. protoss
            protoss 11 January 2018 13: 29
            +2
            controlling tomahawks is cool. those. we assume that apricots will throw axes at us from Middle-earth (well, this is a prologue to nuclear war), and we will catch them in the same place. and being on the black sea we can’t catch them in any way? not an expert, so I ask.
            and the lack of our base on the shores of the north sea does not reduce our defense capabilities?
            1. Spez
              Spez 11 January 2018 13: 44
              +7
              and the lack of our base on the shores of the north sea does not reduce our defense capabilities?

              And on what legal grounds can we place a base there?
              controlling tomahawks is cool. those. we assume that apricots will throw axes at us from Middle-earth (well, this is a prologue to nuclear war), and we will catch them in the same place. and being on the black sea we can’t catch them in any way?

              I do not even know. what to answer ... Actually, we assume. And they will throw from wherever they can. And we will be in response. So, instead of flying the axes of the fifth fleet toward Russia, they will have to throw them at our bases in the Mediterranean. Is the profit clear?
              1. protoss
                protoss 12 January 2018 01: 27
                +2
                well, if it comes to that, then it will not be “instead of”, but “together”. at the same time they will fly both towards Russia and tartus with a hakeim, and then a nuclear apocalypse.
                1. Spez
                  Spez 12 January 2018 10: 47
                  +5
                  Nevertheless, no matter how the scenario develops, having the ability to control, early detect and anticipate a blow is always better than catching Easter eggs over your roof. Those. not only will less fly to the mainland, but this will be known sooner. And a vigorous apocalypse will come or the aggressor will have time to change his mind during this time ... Then the cards will fall.
    2. Kirill Popov
      Kirill Popov 12 January 2018 22: 26
      +1
      Gazprom and Rosneft is not the interests of Russia?
      1. protoss
        protoss 12 January 2018 23: 06
        0
        What matters does Gazprom and Rosneft in Syria do not tell? there has never been oil and gas in commercial quantities, it was enough only for domestic consumption, frankly speaking, an underdeveloped economy and infrastructure.
        just do not need about the competitive pipe from Qatar to Europe, just look at the map to understand that this is fantasy.
        1. vandarus
          vandarus 15 January 2018 19: 07
          0
          Such a fantasy that it is better friends Assad and the Sultan became the worst enemies.
          Yes, but what about the card?
          1. protoss
            protoss 16 January 2018 11: 48
            0
            Assad and Erdogan did not become friends like that, although the Turks tried to improve the traditionally very bad relations between the two countries by personal communication and family visits. but the Bashar’s wife “did not follow the tongue” and the Erdogans changed their minds on being friends with such duplicitous neighbors.
            and with the map, everything is very simple - in order to lay a pipe from Qatar through Syria you need to go either through Saudi Arabia and Jordan, or through Saudi Arabia and Iraq. if the second option, then what for Syria is needed - simply through Iraq to Turkey and further to Europe. if the first option, then you still need to throw the pipe through Saudi Arabia - to put it mildly not friendly relations of Qatar and sa, this is a very strange project.
    3. Alex1117
      Alex1117 13 January 2018 16: 04
      +1
      And so already all of Central Asia and the Transcaucasus with us. Do you want more? So that Africa will go to us, and not to Europe?
  12. Dmitriy75
    Dmitriy75 10 January 2018 14: 30
    +5
    Turkey will never be with us, they are like Jews, today here, and tomorrow there, no one can be trusted, except for allies close to us.
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 11 January 2018 09: 37
      +3
      ... which we do not have ...
    2. Kirill Popov
      Kirill Popov 12 January 2018 22: 28
      0
      Part of the American Nuclear Triad is based in Turkey. They are always there.
    3. Alex1117
      Alex1117 13 January 2018 16: 07
      0
      And who is our "close ally"? Is that Cuba, but it is rather a "distant ally."
  13. vlad007
    vlad007 10 January 2018 14: 34
    +3
    Quoting from the article: “Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu claims that the Syrian army is not at war with terrorists, but with“ moderate opposition. ”This accusation was the reason for summoning the ambassadors of Russia and Iran.”
    Elena, if the Syrian army does something different than Turkey would like, then what does Russia and Iran have to do with it? Do you think that the ambassadors were called in order to accuse them of initiating the actions of the Syrian army? Is not a fact. Assad is forced to fight the opposition, otherwise he will be swept away. Russia supported the actions of the Syrian army against ISIS, and everything else is internal disassembly.
    1. protoss
      protoss 11 January 2018 00: 57
      +3
      ambassadors were called because some pre-agreed lines were crossed. the same thing happened in the fall of 2015 when our ambassador was called several times about aviation flies across the border, then they just shot down an airplane.
  14. dog breeder
    dog breeder 10 January 2018 15: 24
    10
    Quote: dDYHA
    Russia has no interests there.

    That is, those thousands of bearded immigrants from the republics of the former union, with the help of Russia dug in Syria, and not returning to kill your fellow citizens, is not Russia's interest? Not tired of carrying liberalsnyu?
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 15 January 2018 09: 05
      +2
      Quote: dog breeder
      Not tired of carrying liberalsnyu?

      Tired or not tired, but you need to earn money. And if it’s not written “for the sake of profit”, then this is a diagnosis ...
    2. vandarus
      vandarus 15 January 2018 19: 13
      +1
      And what is it stupid to use the border for its intended purpose in any way? As a filter for non-admission of terrorists in commodity quantities? Enough of these tales about the marching columns of the IG in the North Caucasus.
  15. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 10 January 2018 15: 42
    12
    Without sufficient data, it is impossible to say who is right: the Ministry of Defense or the Kommersant newspaper. And there is no need to guess - this is not the most important thing. It is only clear that Kommersant in the current situation (especially in connection with the upcoming presidential election) published its material for a reason: it is unlikely that this newspaper was motivated by such motives as a tribute to the dead.

    In general, why guess, reason, who is right, who is wrong, the newspaper or the Ministry of Defense. In wartime conditions, when the country is in conditions of war, such a fortune telling should not exist, in principle, in war conditions always the Ministry of Defense. Dot. The Ministry of Defense did not undertake to suddenly become a ministry of truth, publicity, freedom of speech. The Ministry of Defense has another task - to defend the homeland. And if, in order to protect the homeland, the Ministry of Defense considered it necessary to report that not a single aircraft was damaged (or 1000 aircraft were destroyed), then so be it. And all other newspaper reports without military censorship are the disclosure of military secrets and work for the enemy. All my armpit hair would come out in surprise if the Izvestia or Trud newspaper, in 1936-1945, decided to argue with the Ministry of Defense (GKO, the Supreme High Command Headquarters) about the number of planes destroyed, or another military issue.
    Unfortunately, with the help of our sworn western "friends", deceit, glasnost, and tolerance penetrated into many areas of our lives, where all this muck was not supposed to be close, because now it’s become possible that, as we all know, the newspaper it thrives in hostility in our country, which it constantly spoils, prints out enemy misinformation and is still brazenly arguing about this with the Ministry of Defense.
  16. nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 January 2018 15: 49
    +2
    I am poorly versed in these drones, but it’s obvious that this is only the beginning of unmanned, more technical aircraft.
    It should be closely with scientists to do this task. As for relations with Turkey, one should keep an eye on this country. I have not yet seen a reason to fully trust this country. In addition to high-profile statements against the West and the United States.
  17. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 10 January 2018 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: nikvic46
    I am poorly versed in these drones, but it’s obvious that this is only the beginning of unmanned, more technical aircraft.
    It should be closely with scientists to do this task. As for relations with Turkey, one should keep an eye on this country. I have not yet seen a reason to fully trust this country. In addition to high-profile statements against the West and the United States.

    Unfortunately, many deputies of the State Duma and some politicians are ready to kiss “partners” for nothing, as soon as they critically blather towards NATO or the SGA, and we need to look and evaluate according to deeds, but not words!
  18. ando_bor
    ando_bor 10 January 2018 17: 07
    +8
    Russia is waging a war — with little blood, on foreign territory, as the great Stalin dreamed, and not only against the barmaley, but against their curators, and most importantly it is breaking the system of global American domination, and very successfully, so there’s no need to panic, having lost a helicopter, and two fighters, Russian casualties do not exceed casualties in civilian life, from various kinds of accidents. And then they made a fuss "all the way", the whole network has been discussing the loss of two fighters for a week already - they would always have fought like that and there would have been no wars.
    1. flicker
      flicker 10 January 2018 20: 46
      +7
      The loss of even one fighter is a mournful event, and if we share this pain with parents, relatives and friends of these guys for at least a few seconds, then this is good.
      But to speculate with this and throw dirt into their own country, I completely agree, it is unacceptable.
  19. CHRICK
    CHRICK 10 January 2018 17: 16
    +4
    I do not understand that Russia plays everything in the giveaway and honesty, and still believes in diplomacy. With world-class bandits like the United States and their allies, they need to be played by their own methods. Why can the Americans supply weapons and the like in Syria of moderate opposition and the Russians can’t deliver supplies to the militia of the Donbass LDNR. After all, the situation is then ideal if everything is weighed. In Syria, Russia has a license to kill from the legitimate president of Syria, and all the more, the UN is approved. What are the Americans and their satellites doing there. They would sit there in Iraq where they are allowed by the Iraqi government. If the shelling is carried out by the opposition, then it must be destroyed, if the Americans brazenly do not leave Syria where they were not invited, it is necessary to squeeze them out by any means, break it off with the terra and the so-called opposition. How much you can get used to and justify yourself before shit, it’s time and honor to know, otherwise they will constantly lie and shit on your head.
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 10 January 2018 17: 42
      +2
      The USA is the world hegemon, Russia is not, the USA dictates the rules of the game to the whole World, Russia is forced to play by the rules that dictate to it. I do not like it, but this is the state of things at the moment. I do not see what is unclear in this?
      1. E_V_N
        E_V_N 11 January 2018 08: 41
        +3
        Quote: Nikolay73
        The USA is the world hegemon, Russia is not, the USA dictates the rules of the game to the whole World, Russia is forced to play by the rules that dictate to it. I do not like it, but this is the state of things at the moment. I do not see what is unclear in this?

        Are you seriously? Russia forced play by the rules? Who forced that? North Korea is a million times smaller and weaker, but the rules for them are not written, if that. Who prevents the Russian Federation from writing its own rules and sticking to them? But no, they were carried away by the "undercover" struggle of the Nanai boys. In the Baltic States and Ukraine, fascists march with torches, and we threaten them with a finger and trade, trade, trade. The US and the EU impose sanctions, and we are “partners”, “partners”. Is it not time to mumble, but directly call a spade a spade. Soplezhuyev never and no one respects.
        1. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 11 January 2018 09: 28
          +2
          I expressed my personal opinion absolutely seriously. But do you really think that we will be able to withstand the whole world, all capital (our own, too, of course) and we have enough funds for this (financial, industrial, human)? Big words, for which there is nothing, now I call coexistence ... Fascists in the Baltic countries and in Ukraine? I think everyone should clean his own house. Who forced Russia? Yes, open your eyes, do you live on Mars and yourself see nothing? Kim, of course, Eun, but you need to look wider - the stars light up, so someone needs this, have you thought about this?
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 10 January 2018 20: 14
    +2
    It is worth recalling: there are now four de-escalation zones in Syria, created through painstaking negotiations.
    From the current situation in Syria, one can make the only correct (in my opinion) conclusion: so far these four “de-escalation” zones exist on its territory, or, more correctly, the zones of occupation and destabilization — the situation in Syria will worsen, the threat to our military installations will increase ! Everything else is “from the evil one”! sad
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 January 2018 11: 56
      +3
      Quote: Radikal
      while on its territory there are these four zones of "de-escalation", but it is more correct to call them zones of occupation

      Well, so all parties agreed on them, for whom there were enough arguments, the one received - east of the Euphrates - Americans, cutting off Iran, north Turkey - cutting off Kurds, coast - Russia, some part of Iran
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 15 January 2018 09: 12
        +1
        Quote: sa-ag
        Well, so all parties agreed on them, for whom there were enough arguments, the one received - east of the Euphrates - Americans, cutting off Iran, north Turkey - cutting off Kurds, coast - Russia, some part of Iran

        There are such nuances:
        1) the Americans did not agree either with Russia, or with Syria, or with Iran. Could agree with Turkey - and that’s it;
        2) Russia did not overcome the coast, but set up a military base there. If you follow your logic, the USA has outlived practically the whole world ...;
        3) Iran and Iraq are not cut off from Syria, but there are such American hotels;
        4) Iran is also setting up a military base.
        So here the owl is half on the globe already.
  21. flicker
    flicker 10 January 2018 20: 35
    +4
    Turkey is doing everything to once again regain the US location, how to obtain the status of Uncle Sam’s beloved wife, taking him away from Israel (well, or squeezing him) and through this become the main “watching” for BV.
  22. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 10 January 2018 21: 20
    +5
    Always look - who benefits from this? Yes, the end customer is the USA !? But the main organizer and executor of the "order" is certainly not Turkey, but Israel !? A good scam to drive a wedge into a trio Russia - Iran - Turkey? And the events of the end of December - the beginning of January - are these links of one chain, points of one single plan - an algorithm? I hope that our leadership will have the wisdom and courage to strike back - the vendetta for the coalition treachery of our worst "partners"? Good luck and patience! We are witnessing the final act of the play!
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  24. serj.iwanow1000
    serj.iwanow1000 10 January 2018 23: 23
    +5
    Putin himself is to blame; do not bow to the United States; you need to act in a mirror to them! They organized an attack on our base, Russia on them! And if there is no strength, then why did you have to start fighting in Syria? If you took up the tug, do not say that a dozen! And it turns out, as in Ukraine, a truce with the Nazis was arranged and allowed the US to build a base!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 January 2018 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: serj.iwanow1000
      And if there is no strength, then why it was necessary to start fighting in Syria

      "Dizzy with success" (C), it began during high energy prices, shale production in the USA was not considered something significant and suddenly you have a glut of the market, a price drop of three times, here are the US plans to export liquefied natural gas to Europe, here begins the interest of the Russian Federation in Syria, the hydrocarbon market in the EU began to threaten a change or a partial change of suppliers, of course, who could push Gazprom there to prevent this from happening and the participation of the RF Armed Forces in this war, in general, pushing Qatar back, but there, after all, not only Qatar, Iran also intended to lay a pipe, here the United States declares Qatar an accomplice of terrorists, and Iran is cut off occupying the east coast of the Euphrates by the Kurds. This is a corporate war for the market.
  25. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 12 January 2018 12: 00
    +1
    All these drones launched pindosavskie vultures, which is incomprehensible.
  26. akm8226
    akm8226 12 January 2018 19: 33
    +2
    For the umpteenth time, I am convinced that the GDP slapped the moment when Erdogan had to play in full for the downed Su. It was not necessary to shell cities - it was necessary to destroy all military airfields with equipment and personnel to pieces to pieces. And then it was possible to accept an apology, since it was so. We see the result of the GDP slip now.
    1. Kirill Popov
      Kirill Popov 12 January 2018 22: 33
      +1
      We always have time to fight a full-scale war with NATO.
  27. Igor Kompaniets
    Igor Kompaniets 14 January 2018 02: 56
    0
    Well, what will the Putin prostitute say this time? Make friends with Turkey further
  28. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 15 January 2018 08: 54
    +1
    So the era of struggle with the programmed terminators has come, so far volatile with a grenade, not able to run on the ground, but means of neutralization are already needed. And breakthrough ... still need a weapon of guaranteed retaliation, for the operators of such "crafts". According to the principle: collected without asking, tried to turn it on and died ...
  29. FLOOD
    FLOOD 15 January 2018 15: 48
    0
    The Americans do not need Syria, well, that’s not necessary! In Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia (and all these are different periods of political structure or instability of the scoop or the Russian Federation), mattresses tried to try Russia for a tooth. Syria - the next stage (occasion) to dig out the biceps of the Russian Federation. If the quarrel of the Russian Federation with TR thoroughly, consider achieved a lot. If RTEs with GDP are able to leave the party as winners, then everything will be super, if there will be significant differences between them, there can be no great war. Pata will not be. The goal is clear a long time ago: Turkey and Russia, and then world domination. Russia and Turkey today need each other more than ever!