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Ankara boasted a low loan rate for the purchase of C-400 from Russia

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The Turkish government commented on the agreement with Russia, under which Moscow will provide Ankara with a loan to buy Russian C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. Commentary on this topic leads information service Anadolu with reference to the Minister of National Security of Turkey Nurettin Janikli.


Mr. Janikli said that the rates that Russia exposes under the loan agreement are "much lower than similar rates in the international market." At the same time, neither the Russian nor the Turkish side currently provides accurate data on the interest on the loan for the purchase of С-400.

Ankara boasted a low loan rate for the purchase of C-400 from Russia


The Turkish minister noted that simultaneously with the acquisition of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems, Turkey is also banking on the development of its own missile systems. In particular, we are talking about a joint project of Turkish firms ASELSAN and ROKETSAN with the European defense company Eurosam.

In Russia itself, they were ambiguous about the news that Moscow is selling modern Russian air defense systems to Ankara, and even in the format of a loan provided by Russia itself. Specialists have skepticism not only due to the fact that Turkey is a NATO country, but also because not always and not all loans previously issued to various (even the most seemingly reliable) partners were paid by them in full.
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  1. Strips
    Strips 9 January 2018 17: 37
    16
    There is clearly a loan at lower interest rates than a mortgage wink

    Erdogan partner is not very adequate - he can hit in the back without question, if it will be profitable.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 9 January 2018 17: 39
      +4
      Naturally. So everywhere. But the Turks are still balabol.
      1. Teberii
        Teberii 9 January 2018 17: 43
        18
        Along with deliveries, we gain control over Turkey’s air defense, just like that, even cats don’t succeed.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 January 2018 17: 47
          31
          Quote: Teberii
          Along with deliveries, we gain control over Turkish air defense

          Something I doubt
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 9 January 2018 17: 48
            13
            Banality is the non-delivery of missiles. Why are you not in control? They will not produce rockets.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 9 January 2018 18: 07
              +3
              Quote: Muvka
              Banality is the non-delivery of missiles. Why are you not in control? They will not produce rockets.

              This is not real in the ERU huckster.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 9 January 2018 22: 21
                +1
                In fact, "low rates" should boast AFTER completion of transactions and deliveries, and not BEFORE. The United States is already unhappy and is trying to hinder the deal, and now it will hinder even more
                fool
            2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 January 2018 18: 12
              20
              Missiles can be bought from other users of the system. For all those who have the illusions of chips, "about shutting down the systems we made ourselves," and that our air defense systems will not bring down our planes. Watch the 2008 war of the year. Well, our systems shot down our own aircraft.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 9 January 2018 18: 25
                +5
                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                . Watch the 2008 war. Well, our systems shot down our own aircraft.

                Eeee .. As if the Georgians had BUKs still Soviet-made, so apart from the "friend or foe" there is nothing and could not be.
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 9 January 2018 18: 28
                +9
                Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Missiles can be bought from other users of the system.

                Well, walk around the market, buy a kit for s-400. For any, the Chinese have not yet had time to clone (a year and a half of everything is used), but there are no other users hi
            3. The comment was deleted.
            4. Alf
              Alf 9 January 2018 20: 46
              +3
              Quote: Muvka
              Banality is the non-delivery of missiles. Why are you not in control? They will not produce rockets.

              And who would risk it like that? Wang, that SOMEONE, even in the midst (God forbid) of turmoil with Turkey, all the same, will put everything that is supposed to, grandmother is holy. He once said, There are also people.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 9 January 2018 19: 10
            +4
            Aristarkh Ludwigovich. And you think, against whom the missiles of this complex can be directed !?
            If you were the head of Turkey (a NATO member) and wanted to get rid of the hegemon, what would you do first? It is known that the hegemon first takes control of the airspace. And your allies withdraw their air forces and air defense systems from the country (Germany) and do not allow them to be acquired. hi
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 9 January 2018 20: 06
              +2
              Well, this is the only logical explanation for such an act.
          3. demo
            demo 9 January 2018 21: 13
            +1
            But the fact that this complex will not be able to shoot at our planes - you have no doubt about that?
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 9 January 2018 17: 47
          14
          Well, here people believe that in our government so stupid people are sitting, apparently. Or just do not understand politics. Yes, there was a time when Gorbachev took his word for it, but those days are gone. I’m sure that now all the steps towards where Turkey can turn are calculated on the papers, and not only on them, everything is fixed. So besides this, we have some other interests. We just don’t know about them and may never know.
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 9 January 2018 18: 00
            21
            Quote: Muvka
            I am sure that now all the steps, according to where Turkey can turn, are calculated and on papers, and not only on them, everything is fixed.

            Apparently, it was also calculated and consolidated with Ukraine ... Although, if we chose the President of the United States, then yes, it was precisely calculated ...
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 9 January 2018 18: 05
              +4
              Quite possible. Crimea is in our country. And Ukraine cannot join NATO, because they have a territorial dispute.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 9 January 2018 18: 29
                +3
                There is also a relationship between Turkey and Greece. When politics is at stake, NATO principles go sideways. It can be the same with Georgia and Ukraine.
                Quote: Muvka
                Quite possible. Crimea is in our country. And Ukraine cannot join NATO, because they have a territorial dispute.
              2. Alf
                Alf 9 January 2018 20: 48
                0
                Quote: Muvka
                And Ukraine cannot join NATO, because they have a territorial dispute.

                But the rules can be changed ... A gentleman is always the master of his word.
              3. demo
                demo 9 January 2018 21: 18
                +1
                Amerikosy cluck and accept, as cute.
                Golovnyak is in Europe. And they are beyond the puddle!

                The country is bankrupt, but they give loans.
            2. mole
              mole 9 January 2018 18: 16
              +1
              They simply did not meddle in domestic politics, although it was necessary. Their sovereignty was respected.
          2. Alf
            Alf 9 January 2018 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: Muvka
            Well, here people believe that in our government so stupid people are sitting, apparently.

            They are not stupid, they are corrupt, and this is even worse.
        3. Going
          Going 9 January 2018 17: 48
          11
          There is not just air defense control, we can only guess, but Turkey is becoming a wedge in NATO.
          1. VAGNER
            VAGNER 9 January 2018 18: 04
            10
            Quote: Going
            There is not just air defense control, we can only guess, but Turkey is becoming a wedge in NATO.

            Exactly..! In this situation, money is not the main thing ...! And this info clearly comes from the "world community" They are angry that a NATO member bought an air defense system from a potential adversary (they insure against the US and the EU))) .. But Turkey is a serious state militarily! And the NATO split is on, Praise be to Allah! soldier
          2. Nemesis
            Nemesis 9 January 2018 18: 59
            +9
            Having received the latest air defense systems of the Russian Federation, NATO Turkey will no doubt allow US specialists to them, so that the wedge is sitting in the Kremlin and this wedge is against Russia, knowingly, or because the desire to lead the Russian Federation is noticeably ahead of ability ...
            1. Going
              Going 9 January 2018 21: 02
              +2
              We have been supplying arms to Greece for a long time, they are also in NATO, there are no problems ... they won’t get into the brains and can’t disassemble anything.
              1. demo
                demo 9 January 2018 21: 20
                +4
                Do not underestimate our "partners".
                And fit and sort it out.
                Not all of them are idiots. There are even very talented and smart.
                1. Going
                  Going 9 January 2018 21: 37
                  +2
                  And who says that, but we, too, have provided for all these things.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 9 January 2018 22: 22
                    +2
                    Judging by how the US military praised their work in Greece, where they worked out methods of counteracting the S-300 air defense system, (you) didn’t provide for everything and this is not the only example of (your) arrogance, for which (you) do not think to repent, you don’t want to admit (your) stocks ... (Your) desire to lead the Russian Federation is noticeably ahead of (your) abilities.
                2. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 10 January 2018 07: 20
                  0
                  Quote: demo
                  Not all of them are idiots. There are even very talented and smart.

                  former "ours" ...
        4. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 9 January 2018 17: 48
          +2
          Dumping? Or what is it?
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 9 January 2018 17: 52
            +2
            No, the price of the complexes is normal. At least no one talked about it.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 9 January 2018 18: 49
            +2
            Quote: Tartar 174
            Dumping? Or what is it?

            At first glance, dumping. But commodity credit, it is insidious. It also happens that you buy a thing at 0% and not a catch. 4 payments in 2 months and your thing, but actually 1,6% per day and 2% for each day of delay in payment. This is how many per annum actually? This is by the way the real situation.
          3. corporal
            corporal 10 January 2018 01: 58
            +3
            Quote: Tatar 174
            Dumping? Or what is it?

            We apologize for the tomatoes am
        5. 210ox
          210ox 9 January 2018 18: 26
          +1
          What control? Service yes. But only not control. It would be better to put in Belarus.
          Quote: Teberii
          Along with deliveries, we gain control over Turkey’s air defense, just like that, even cats don’t succeed.
          1. demo
            demo 9 January 2018 21: 25
            +1
            What control? Service yes. But only not control. It would be better to put in Belarus.


            And Belarus and I have common air defense.
            Yes, and Old Man is the fruit.
            He would have everything for free. And even better for the money. Him.
            So it’s more reasonable to protect yourself and your father.
        6. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 9 January 2018 18: 36
          +2
          ... is it such a joke?
        7. vtyrtn
          vtyrtn 10 January 2018 01: 49
          0
          how ? what
        8. antivirus
          antivirus 10 January 2018 10: 13
          0
          and take control of tomatoes
          Turks will probably pay tomatoes
          our great reformers are only enough for the "union of the vanquished" - with the Turks and Germans.
          are weak.
          and this is an achievement
          In the Baltic, gl ..opa failure.
          and development to the south and east requires such efforts as to the west - for 20-30 years (from the first pipeline to Austria and Czechoslovakia)
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 9 January 2018 17: 48
      +5
      Quote: Tiras
      There is clearly a loan at lower interest rates than a mortgage wink

      Erdogan partner is not very adequate - he can hit in the back without question, if it will be profitable.

      I think that after the SU-24 all the moves with Turkey are calculated a bunch of times !!!
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 9 January 2018 17: 48
      14
      .You are dealing with a Turk - do not let go of the stick. (Armenian proverb)Are we probably buying loyalty in Syria? Somehow fucking expensive !!
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 9 January 2018 17: 53
        +5
        Well, count. How much do you think is "fucking expensive." Only in numbers.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 9 January 2018 18: 01
          +8
          S-300 sold to China, received at the exit
          HQ-9. The fact that the Turks are arguing with the Amers today is nonsense. Turkey is a famous lady of easy virtue, they will give grandmothers and Russia is an eternal enemy.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 9 January 2018 18: 03
            +7
            Well? Where are these HQs? Nobody buys them and they themselves are reluctant to produce them.
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 9 January 2018 18: 55
              +5
              So the Chinese do not stand still. The next ones will already be more powerful and reliable. The Turks also didn’t get off the palm (they learned how to assemble both tactical complexes and MLRS a long time ago). svoe.There are people with whom it is better not to have any business. So I talked with the Turks-Who doesn’t know-The military town for 16 tank at the conclusion we built they built, they lived in the neighbors for two years.
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 10 January 2018 07: 33
                +1
                16 TD no ... (((The town remained. Public sector employees live. The checkpoint is standing, the gates are rusty, GDO is overgrown with grass.
                This summer I went to the obelisk in the town. He bowed his head to those who are not with us (((
                Honor and Glory to the fallen heroes!
            2. Nemesis
              Nemesis 9 January 2018 19: 03
              +5
              HQ are on the latest Chinese destroyers, so your statements are far from the truth .. In addition, China is not in NATO, and the sale of S-300 air defense systems to NATO Greece led to the fact that the S-300 air defense system was studied by US military experts
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 9 January 2018 19: 05
                +4
                AND? Who helped? We delivered the S-300 to Iran and the Americans shut up. And fly around this country for distant lands. How did learning help them? And about the HQ - they have no choice what to put on the destroyers. We don’t sell or sell them the wetted S-300.
                1. Nemesis
                  Nemesis 9 January 2018 19: 08
                  +5
                  The USA helped ... Because in Greece, the USA was able to work out measures to counter the S-300 air defense system, and today people like you are selling the S-400 air defense system to NATO in Turkey, without a doubt, with the same result ...
                2. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 9 January 2018 19: 13
                  0
                  Muvka. Iran is holding on to the Persian Gulf. If only America goes too far (an open attack), the entire gulf is blocked, and not only. Kavardak at a world gas station is not profitable to anyone.
      2. Antares
        Antares 9 January 2018 22: 43
        +2
        Quote: zadorin1974
        (Armenian proverb)

        the ideal option is a non-drinking Turkish woman (which is not a rare occurrence) ... In general, you will be in Turkey - do not believe the female population laughing
        In politics, where money is, there is faith only in them. There is no nationality for money, there is no homeland for interests, there is little Earth for ambitions.
        1. vasya.pupkin
          vasya.pupkin 10 January 2018 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Antares
          Quote: zadorin1974
          (Armenian proverb)

          the ideal option is a non-drinking Turkish woman (which is not a rare occurrence) ... In general, you will be in Turkey - do not believe the female population laughing
          In politics, where money is, there is faith only in them. There is no nationality for money, there is no homeland for interests, there is little Earth for ambitions.

          I would rather believe a Turk than a maid of Khokhlov (although I also have a Khokhlushka wife), he could spite Muscovites “frostbite their ears.” The situation was aggravated by the fact that Ukrainians fell under the Jewish fascists, and then their roof completely left.
    4. opus
      opus 9 January 2018 17: 59
      +7
      Quote: Tiras
      There is clearly a loan at lower interest rates than a mortgage

      well yes.
      Japanese banks at 3% do not want to lend to a Japanese mortgage ...
      Fed

      under such% nabiulin and to buy candy wrappers of the USA

      Commerce in the USA + 1..1,5% (and a bunch of collateral, encumbrances)
      it means our distance, under 1,5%well or a little less
      1. KKND
        KKND 9 January 2018 18: 23
        0
        Anton, what are you talking about money, ukrov, Turks? These are "eternal" topics for the respective audience.
        Let’s develop, I’m arguing with a “physicist”, I saw: https: //topwar.ru/133343-vtoraya-gran-incide
        nta-s-raptorom-v-nebe-nad-evfratom-ocenka-bez-pri
        kras-gryaduschie-perspektivy-razvyazki-v-sirii.ht
        ml # comments
        Join us, try to find out the Truth or learn all together at least.
        1. opus
          opus 9 January 2018 18: 55
          +6
          Quote: KKND
          Anton, what are you talking about money, ukrov, Turks?

          I ... (again) about YOUR MONEY.
          "The president said that all the conditions of the loan have been agreed. He will be signed in the near future," the head of the Ministry of Finance said.
          and this is money not Fradkov, not Medovnikov ... and EVEN (oh my God) not GDP

          this is OUR money.
          I don't know about KKND & Co. but taxes (titi-michi I pay).
          Oh yes ... I can’t resist I was delighted (nadysy) with the formidable letter of the Ministry of Construction:
          the fine threatens me, already 1 000 000,00 rubles
          Notification of the obligation to provide information to the FSIS CA

          We inform you that in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No.1452 of 23.12.2016 "ON MONITORING PRICES OF BUILDING RESOURCES", organizations included in the register are obliged to submit information on estimated prices for construction resources to the FSIS CA by 15 on November 2017, since your organization does not meet the deadline provided information ..
          1. Deadline 25.01.18 Fine 1 for our
          2. EDS (the one that is suitable for tax, PFR, FCS, medicine, the traffic police (any gad word) and most of all) - no risk
          Suckers kindly

          3.A accountant, for this mutaten request 30 tr minimum.
          4.And just something business..4 (!) Years ago imported

          and I’m a so-so trifle.
          Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No.1452 from 23.12.2016 "ON MONITORING PRICES OF BUILDING RESOURCES", signed

          there are all construction, mining and importers.
          QUESTION: DO WE NEED IT? Or do I need an iphone man?
          Duc he needs, let him

          amused step by step ..
          IT IS NECESSARY to the RF Ministry of Construction
          ?
          so there the mutants get 70 000 salary, let them raise the fat seats and get what they need from the FCS.
          but no ...
          Conclusion:

          Just who?
          we or new boyars rus (occupants)?
          ================
          and then a freebie for the Turks.
          and the meaning?
          my wife’s sister’s husband plows on 3x (!) jobs, so that he could close his mortgage.
          ==========================================
          and the rest of course

          ==================================
          Quote: KKND
          I’m arguing with a physicist

          I'll try...
          but I need to save a friend, a veteran of Afghanistan, from the beginning of September in the ITT-10 sq.m - 6 people.
          fell under the distribution, I read the claims to the citizen of the Russian Federation, the disabled person of the 2 group, whose most humane

          not allowed under home.
          Vasiliev can

          write pictures, shoot clips.
          But the man, 50 from + years old, with wounds and with medals ... LOW!
          and the amounts there are similar (+/- 10%) by the way
          1. KKND
            KKND 9 January 2018 19: 09
            0
            I am very sorry about your life situation. I always thought that money is needed so as not to think about it.
            I can say about the situation with the government of the Russian Federation that I consider it to say the least “ineffective”, but this is not only the main problem of the country. There is also the problem of incompetence of specialists and their small number. I don’t hint at you; I judge my father’s work at the defense plant.
            1. opus
              opus 9 January 2018 19: 27
              +3
              Quote: KKND
              I am very sorry about your life situation. I always believed that money is needed so as not to think about them

              you don’t need to feel sorry for me (crossed out), only my wife has the right to feel sorry for me, and until I figured out that I didn’t quit smoking, finally), she will know amargedon (it’s hard to live with Shtirlits ... you can’t imagine the current )
              Quote: KKND
              money is needed so as not to think about them.

              money is evil, big money is big evil)
              to the account
              The second facet of the Raptor incident in the sky above the Euphrates: an unvarnished assessment. Future denouement prospects in Syria

              Well ... as if there will be time, I will sign how I went to the draft board:
              I want to Syria, I want to restore Assad’s air defense, I want to bring down the F-35 (and I probably know how), and really: I want to pinch Hel ha'Avir, out of principle, because ***, it’s better to do it earlier, than in asia bbc will start to finish

              / saw how naidyota - go say, on TopWar write articles to Smirnov & Co ... /
              Quote: KKND
              There is also the problem of incompetence of specialists and their small number.

              System.
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 10 January 2018 07: 10
            0
            I would have banned you a little in the place of admins, and deleted your, well, "very informative" post!
            1. opus
              opus 11 January 2018 00: 59
              +1
              Quote: igorka357
              I would, in the place of the admins, bring you a little, and delete yours, well

              I can not cope with all ....
              belay

              for each "ram" or "oak" I get.
              appeals are not rolled, although I do not break
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 January 2018 19: 03
      +3
      Quote: Tiras
      There is clearly a loan at lower interest rates than a mortgage

      Our mortgage is not for human freedom, but for slavery for many years ... a Western method. And if someone says that in the West the interest is ridiculous, 2-6%, then let's remember our salaries and Western and housing prices , and the fact that the whole West generally lives off loans, and not only on housing, but also on cars, studies, etc. ...
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 9 January 2018 19: 52
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Our mortgage is not for human freedom, but for slavery for many years.

        Do you think that the West is wrong? A loan is a sale of money to a consumer. Who cares what they sell? IPhone or money? Money is more expensive. It's just that everything is more transparent. For the loan, the bank pays insurance for us, they have FSE transparently - the consumer pays the loan. The result is Our predatory percentage is equal to their lowest plus insurance.
        Well it. A little ligbes hi
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 January 2018 20: 56
          +2
          Quote: Tusv
          Well it. A little ligbes

          And this whole abomination, where did you come from, you can’t tell us?
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 9 January 2018 21: 42
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            And this whole abomination, where did you come from, you can’t tell us?

            It is shrouded in mystery. The banking system was invented a very long time ago, then the Jews didn’t even smell. There are no creators anymore. If about it hi Again. Money is more expensive than goods. It is a fact. Otherwise, how do you sell your money. In general, banking tenderness that is always evil hi
    6. Archon
      Archon 9 January 2018 19: 24
      0
      Yes, maybe they train your back?
    7. 23424636
      23424636 10 January 2018 12: 19
      0
      here it is important what the transaction is insured with, what instrument, if a third party’s assets, then this is normal. And, as for interest, the main thing is to be higher than the inflation rate in the equivalent of the transaction currency.
  2. jolly deckhand
    jolly deckhand 9 January 2018 17: 37
    +9
    Yes, give it back. Evil is not enough already, they found an ally, itt ....... am
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 9 January 2018 17: 48
      +4
      Quote: jolly deckhand
      found an ally, itt .......

      offer better ally !!!
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 9 January 2018 18: 01
        +4
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        offer better ally !!!

        Belarus, part of Ukraine, and, as usual, the army and navy ...
        1. mole
          mole 9 January 2018 18: 20
          +2
          Quote: Esoteric
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          offer better ally !!!

          Belarus, part of Ukraine, and, as usual, the army and navy ...

          Something tells me that your choice is a tactic, but not a strategy !?
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 9 January 2018 18: 43
            +2
            Quote: Mole
            Quote: Esoteric
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            offer better ally !!!

            Belarus, part of Ukraine, and, as usual, the army and navy ...

            Something tells me that your choice is a tactic, but not a strategy !?

            and the tactics are dubious except for the army and navy !! wassat wassat wassat
            1. mole
              mole 9 January 2018 19: 29
              0
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              and the tactics are dubious except for the army and navy !!

              But Turkey is an indisputable strategy.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 9 January 2018 20: 28
                +2
                Quote: Mole
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                and the tactics are dubious except for the army and navy !!

                But Turkey is an indisputable strategy.

                Turkey is hardly seen as a strategic ally !! yes
                1. mole
                  mole 9 January 2018 20: 35
                  +1
                  Fishlessness and cancer are fish. To shatter NATO's allied principles, in my subjective opinion, it costs a lot!
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 10 January 2018 03: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: Mole
                    Fishlessness and cancer are fish. To shatter NATO's allied principles, in my subjective opinion, it costs a lot!

                    to wobble - yes! good good good strategic alliance is not !! negative negative negative laughing laughing laughing
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 9 January 2018 18: 42
          +4
          Quote: Esoteric
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          offer better ally !!!

          Belarus, part of Ukraine, and, as usual, the army and navy ...

          hohland immediately in flight due to the current inadequacy of this entity and a hostile policy towards Russia !!! firsteeeeeee what what what Belarus in Syria appeared in the form of a savior of Syria with its goods, how the question arose of establishing a peaceful life !!! negative negative negative wassat wassat wassat when there was a question about Russia's military assistance in the fight against terrorists, Syria was not interested in Belarus !!! negative negative request request request so the old-fashioned fleet and army !!!
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 10 January 2018 07: 13
          0
          Seriously? Yes, we once supplied weapons to all of Ukraine .. so what? There are no allies in Russia, there are partners .. you don’t need a weathercock .. that’s another shifter!
      2. Herculesic
        Herculesic 9 January 2018 18: 04
        +4
        Yes, they probably gave it away, at a minus rate, that is, we also pay the Turks for a loan! This is our terrible revenge for the downed "drying"! Now the Turks will bring down a couple of our cars! I don’t remember how we responded to the Turks for the murder of our ambassador in Istanbul - allowed the import of tomatoes duty-free? ??
        1. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 9 January 2018 18: 24
          +5
          What kind of tantrum? To leave!

          You might think you personally pay something there. Nobody is going to shoot anything, except in your sick imagination.
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 9 January 2018 18: 30
            +4
            The general of the sand pit is the truth of life that they do not like! It’s not close to the hysteria here! There is only bare truth! !!
            1. Sands Careers General
              Sands Careers General 9 January 2018 18: 34
              +4
              Oops. And what did you change shoes in flight, there was another flag next to your name.

              A star-striped rag next to the Soviet coat of arms looks disgusting, in fact, like your speeches.
            2. allaykbar
              allaykbar 9 January 2018 18: 35
              +3
              There is only bare truth! !!


              still not to roll bags. Your "truth" is strange.

              Aren't you ashamed to balabol yourself? Or is there evidence? What to pay extra budm?

              Also to prove so, draw exclamation marks.

              Bored, girls (s)

              They also put pluses. Well, there are enough characters. Old Believers in shirts and bast shoes, and "mummers" of all stripes are full of forum, why be surprised.
              1. Hankey Bannister
                Hankey Bannister 9 January 2018 19: 35
                +4
                And you yourself have something to say on the topic, balobol aliahber?
                1. allaykbar
                  allaykbar 9 January 2018 20: 59
                  +2
                  for what? what percentage is unknown?

                  so I approve the sale of air defense systems. Or consider yourself smarter than designers and senior staff in the concern?

                  You think? Admit it. After all, look how big your head is. Definitely you are smarter than all of our defense industry and management
      3. Nemesis
        Nemesis 9 January 2018 19: 05
        +1
        Are you ready to answer according to the laws of war, if Turkey uses the S-400 air defense system against the Russian Federation ?! If not, finish your writing ...
        1. notingem
          notingem 9 January 2018 20: 59
          +2
          No, they will not answer. They will receive the Order of Merit
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 9 January 2018 22: 24
            0
            As they then present the Order of Congress, in the USA, for anti-Russian activity and wrecking and the Nobel Prize they give, like Judas Gorbachev
      4. Alf
        Alf 9 January 2018 20: 52
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        Quote: jolly deckhand
        found an ally, itt .......

        offer better ally !!!

        Army and Navy.
      5. Dry
        Dry 10 January 2018 09: 45
        0
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        offer better ally !!!

        You, a representative of a superpower country, can’t name allies or at least one? Don't you find this strange?
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 9 January 2018 17: 47
    +4
    And then our government, in the absence of funds, will itself seek a loan for 5-7%! The businessmen are shitty!
    And the lack of data on the loan is an attempt to hide its "financial genius." This includes the placement of currency in American bonds at 0,5-1-1,5%. And in the budget, a hole! I think soon gasoline will rise in price, cigarettes, and what kind of tax they come up with. negative hi
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 18: 01
      +6
      For those on an armored car:
      Quote: fa2998
      This includes the placement of currency in US bonds at 0,5-1-1,5%

      Budget funds do not get there.
      Quote: fa2998
      I think soon gasoline will rise in price, cigarettes, and what kind of tax will come up

      Required.
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  4. assa67
    assa67 9 January 2018 17: 51
    +5
    I repeat: first, the "flow", then S-400 .. with Ottoman Pasha it’s impossible in a different way, the beetle is still the same
  5. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 9 January 2018 17: 52
    +9
    The sale of anti-aircraft missile systems to a NATO country is an interesting topic. Firstly, the TTX S-400 for the Russian army and export options are different for any, of course, for the better for Russia. Secondly, you can remotely control these complexes or at least take information, which is also a lot. Yes, and they are most likely collected on the basis of the "black box".
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 9 January 2018 18: 00
      +7
      What only people will not write to refute the incompetence of our government! !! am
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 9 January 2018 18: 06
        +6
        It’s better to sell your own, which you know, than they will buy a star-striped. This is politics.
      2. Muvka
        Muvka 9 January 2018 18: 07
        +2
        I understand your opinion - is this the ultimate truth? It will be hard for you ...
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 9 January 2018 18: 04
      +6
      Yes, there are any pluses. Advance 500 ml of greens, to our military-industrial complex for research and development, mattresses grit your teeth, the Chinese with their "miracle" commercial offers in flight, And the cutout, I hope, is provided for in Russia
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 9 January 2018 18: 21
        +1
        Exactly. They creak. Just like our VPK, when in India the night hunter Apache lost. There was only a slightly different number.
  6. Mihail177
    Mihail177 9 January 2018 17: 59
    +1
    I won’t be surprised if the Perdoganishch sends the S-400 very far away at the last second.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 9 January 2018 17: 59
    +7
    In short, they give them a C400, as I understand it, at the expense of you and me! This money would not be in the way of the people, but politics has power above the economy, and the people can tolerate, because for 17 years we have been tolerating tsarist habits of almost the tsar and are silent!
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 9 January 2018 18: 06
      +3
      Can I find out where you got this from? So I have infa that they give half of the money right away, half on credit. Those. the cost is paid before receipt. The price is unknown, but hardly cheaper than China. Where did your data come from?
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 9 January 2018 18: 31
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      give them a C400, as I understand it, at the expense of you and me!

      No, I won’t give my
    3. allaykbar
      allaykbar 9 January 2018 18: 42
      +4
      In short, they give them a C400, as I understand it, at the expense of you and me!


      Well, since you are so understanding and understood everything - give me the number then, how much was written off from your account. Are you watching your finances? Or still who helps?

      But I think you're already an adult. Therefore, you know how much.
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 9 January 2018 19: 03
        0
        allaykbar Young man, it’s not rude to be rude here. Banned immediately and forever
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 9 January 2018 19: 06
          +3
          for for 17 years we have been tolerating the royal ways of almost the king, and are silent!


          Well, for this, then you must immediately shoot. It seems he tried without tin. And my comments were on Herculesych. There are no questions for you. And most likely not rudeness, but a misunderstanding of the writer.


    4. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 9 January 2018 20: 31
      0
      Herculesich you are an inveterate pessimist
  8. pasechnik
    pasechnik 9 January 2018 18: 14
    0
    Boasted ... smile We have our own interests ... wink Let them think ... wassat
  9. Serg89
    Serg89 9 January 2018 18: 20
    +1
    Quote: Herkulesich
    In short, they give them a C400, as I understand it, at the expense of you and me! This money would not be in the way of the people, but politics has power above the economy, and the people can tolerate, because for 17 years we have been tolerating tsarist habits of almost the tsar and are silent!
    . You are either a drug addict or artificial intelligence.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 9 January 2018 18: 34
      +4
      Serg 89th I didn’t drink vodka, I didn’t babysit children, I didn’t sit in the same trench, so don’t poke me! And if I am a drug addict, you are a chronic alcoholic! Watch the broomstick, otherwise it will accidentally come off! !!
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 9 January 2018 18: 43
        +3
        Watch the broom


        you can tell yourself in front of the mirror. And then you are throwing your opinion throughout the forum, I don’t know where it’s sucked from
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 9 January 2018 19: 02
          +1
          Allahakbar in Russian, I hope this is not scary! Can you forbid me to express my opinion? If so, who authorized you? And if not, I don’t see any need for myself in your advice and nats! Then I wish you hello! hi
          1. marlin1203
            marlin1203 9 January 2018 19: 35
            +2
            Not nats, but notations. "Then wish ...", learn to read and write. hi
  10. Doubting
    Doubting 9 January 2018 18: 29
    +2
    Cunningly! Not only were the incorrectly designed complexes brought in to the Turks, they also dragged into debt bondage laughing But Putin warned them - you won’t get off with tomatoes alone!
  11. Nemesis
    Nemesis 9 January 2018 18: 32
    +1
    If the Kremlin credits a NATO country at preferential rates to the detriment of Russia, then the Kremlin is clearly not the kind of people that Russia needs ... I can’t say that selling the latest Russian air defense system to NATO is already a crime ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 9 January 2018 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: Nemesis
      I'm not talking about the fact that the sale to the country of NATO of the latest air defense system of the Russian Federation is already a crime ...

      This is HPP.
  12. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 9 January 2018 18: 33
    +1
    It seems to me that the Turks are masters to give to the paw of someone very influential in Moscow. Otherwise, I can’t explain the construction of a nuclear power plant and the sale of S-400 on credit.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 January 2018 18: 35
    +3
    Moscow will provide Ankara with a loan for the purchase of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems S-400.
    They will be given money, they will be given weapons? But we don’t have money, but are you holding on? And then the current government out of habit will forgive this duty.
    I read the comments. I'm amazed! Long live the exam and other TV. For some reason, they are discussing the Turks, and not those who made this gift to the Turks.
    1. allaykbar
      allaykbar 9 January 2018 18: 56
      +3
      But we don’t have money, but are you holding on?


      and for sho give you money? For being beautiful?

      Maybe someone didn’t receive money in Antei? What are you doing here sideways? Do you dream of taking something from someone and sharing? So you got it?

      I'm amazed! Long live the exam and other TV


      it is understandable

      not those who gave the Turks this gift


      The exam is to blame for the fact that you consider a loan of a couple of billion - a gift. Although if you are Ukrainian-it’s normal.

      Plus Herculesych, admit it.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 9 January 2018 19: 00
        +2
        and for sho give you money?
        This is all to Dmitro Natolic, he sent everyone to business.
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 9 January 2018 19: 01
          +3
          Gardamir, in general, wait for you when someone is taken from someone, so that you can be given later - until the second coming. Throw it to you.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 9 January 2018 21: 47
            0
            you,
            And you Mr. Troll on Va let out to train? When your national good in the nineties was hapali, you sang differently. So return the loot.
            1. allaykbar
              allaykbar 10 January 2018 13: 14
              +2
              So return the loot.


              what was stolen from you, son? let's list. I will do what I can.

              only I need specifically what was stolen from you. and not pour water here

              name - and the number of pieces. Together we will make a statement about the theft - I will still need from you the surname, name, middle name and passport information. We will draw up a serious paper, not a post on the forum. We’ll send a copy to the UK and to another department.

              And the time at which some values ​​were stolen from you must also be indicated.

              I hope you do not blame me for the theft. And then you and I can seriously talk about this through personal messages

              So let's write a list of what was stolen from you. And I'll see - either hammer on you, advising you to see a doctor. Or we will resolve the issue through the Criminal Code
        2. CooL_SnipeR
          CooL_SnipeR 9 January 2018 20: 03
          +1
          He will buy up new iPhones in cars now - creating a shortage in the market laughing and then throw them on the market - multi-way bully
  14. tchoni
    tchoni 9 January 2018 19: 10
    +1
    Oh, what a good move! I like! That's honest !!! I would love to pour a dude who came up with a loan to buy our weapons at a low percentage, beer)
  15. flicker
    flicker 9 January 2018 19: 30
    +2
    For what audience is this information: for Russian, Turkish or American? If the Turks are traders, with which of the following are they traded? Well, certainly not with us and not with our own people - only with the Americans, they say, Russia is sooooo interested in Turkey (it even lends itself), but we are expensive, we are ready to turn around provided ... Kurds sideways. I think something like this.
  16. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 9 January 2018 19: 50
    0
    Quote: Muvka
    No, the price of the complexes is normal. At least no one talked about it.

    Well, yes, 45% in cash, 55% for loans in a Russian bank. Which then can not be repaid, anyway they will forgive.
  17. Ilya77
    Ilya77 9 January 2018 19: 53
    +2
    Russian pensioners and not so sponsor. Syria Olympics championships write off loans to third countries - our everything!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 9 January 2018 20: 07
      +3
      Zadolbal already! Is the pension small? So work longer!
  18. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 9 January 2018 19: 59
    0
    Apparently the characteristics of the C500 are much better ... and, as everyone already knows from their calibers, their performance can be MUCH higher than for other "partners". Just throw a good bone
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    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 22: 08
      +4
      Quote: PASSED BY
      I bet 100 dollars against 1 ruble

      I accept! Who will smash?
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 January 2018 20: 06
    0
    The delivery of such complexes is a political step. There is also an advance - no credit. I believe this advance will "close" the cost laughing The rest is profit. So the Turks can "dance" as much as they like. If I were bidding, I would raise the price of interest by 20, and then I would agree to a loan under ANY interest! No one is surprised by the "interest-free" installment plan in the store? AND?
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  22. Radikal
    Radikal 9 January 2018 20: 28
    +1
    Ankara boasted a low loan rate for the purchase of C-400 from Russia
    The question immediately arises - at whose expense is this low rate? winked
    1. DPN
      DPN 9 January 2018 21: 30
      0
      Go to any Russian bank and find out.
  23. DPN
    DPN 9 January 2018 21: 29
    0
    Well done Turks three times know what they want, so we need to act. First give in the face and then demand what we want.
  24. bukoed
    bukoed 9 January 2018 22: 20
    0
    It is interesting and in connection with which Turkey had a desire to buy the S-400? Maybe it really tomahawks that ..?
  25. Terenin
    Terenin 9 January 2018 22: 32
    +4
    And the supply of complexes and interest rates on loans will grow and increase only in progression with the number of goals dropped yes
  26. dvvv
    dvvv 9 January 2018 23: 14
    0
    They want low interest rates on the loan, and they call the Russian ambassador to hand over a note!
  27. Kent0001
    Kent0001 9 January 2018 23: 23
    0
    Che, again we will please the Sultan at our own expense ... although remembering the gas pipelines .....
  28. vtyrtn
    vtyrtn 10 January 2018 01: 51
    0
    Quote: Going
    We have been supplying arms to Greece for a long time, they are also in NATO, there are no problems ... they won’t get into the brains and can’t disassemble anything.

    Greeks did not shoot down a Russian plane Greeks did not say that Assad terrorist did not bomb Kurdish help barmaley in idlib
  29. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 10 January 2018 02: 32
    0
    Quote: zadorin1974
    .You are dealing with a Turk - do not let go of the stick. (Armenian proverb)Are we probably buying loyalty in Syria? Somehow fucking expensive !!

    Often I began to hear this ... Well, the Armenians understand where it hurts, and that is what they say) But Peter ... Do you know why Peter I did not like the Turks?)
    To justify your own hardheartedness and ingratitude, you must present your opponent as a villain. William Thackeray Vanity Fair.


    The Prut campaign ... The Sultan, fearing a general uprising of Christians, offered Peter peace through the mediation of the patriarch of Jerusalem and Brankovan (who went over to the side of the Turks). Turkey offered Russia all the land before the Danube: New Russia with Ochakov, Bessarabia, Moldova and Wallachia. Peter I refused ...

    Source: http://histerl.ru/periudi_istorii/petr_pervie/pru
    tskie_poxod.htm
    After defeating Charles XII, who at that time was considered the best military leader in Europe, Peter I apparently believed in the power of his army and his ability as a strategist, and not only he believed it, but his entire court, government, and even his generals . As a result, only some miracle allowed him, his wife Catherine, and members of the Petrine government, who for some reason dragged along with the army, to remain alive. But Peter lost the army that defeated the Swedes. The corpses of the soldiers lay all along the retreat ... Here are the words of the contemporary Peter F.I.Soimonov: "... Tsar Majesty didn’t enter the general battle ... He commanded ... put a white flag among the shants ..." White flag meant surrender. Peter ordered his envoy, P. P. Shafirov, to agree to any conditions “except slavery”, but insist on immediate signing. Peter I. personally had to sign the Act of Surrender in the vizier’s tent. (The peace treaty between the kingdom of Moscow and the Ottoman Empire was signed in Adrianople in 1713). Despite the fact that the Crimean khan was very dissatisfied with the signed document, he still did not destroy the remains the tsarist army during the retreat, although it could easily have done so. From the 54-thousandth army, Peter led about 1 thousand people completely demoralized beyond the Dniester on August 10, but Davlet-Girey did not. Apparently, the Moscow Tsar took some tactical steps, since the Crimean Khan released him from his hands. What Peter I did to save himself, his wife and the remnants of the army to this day is hiding in the most thorough way. He signed a Shert (oath) letter confirming his vassal dependence on the Genghisides. There is quite serious evidence that the Prince of Moscow Peter (the Crimean khans never recognized the royal title of the Moscow Grand Dukes, in their opinion completely illegally appropriated by Ivan the Terrible), was forced to sign such a shameful document ...
  30. LeonidL
    LeonidL 10 January 2018 04: 19
    0
    Russia is kind, unlike the Russian bourgeois
  31. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 10 January 2018 04: 55
    +1
    Actually, in Russia, businessmen got the hang of writing contracts with “additional paragraphs” in “very, very small print” ...
  32. tasha
    tasha 10 January 2018 05: 56
    0
    Foreign trade is very well connected with foreign policy. As for interest rates, I see no reason to make a fuss.
    After all, these complexes will be produced by our workers in our factories for rubles. And these rubles can be printed ...
  33. BARHAN
    BARHAN 10 January 2018 06: 58
    0
    Interestingly, if they buy tomatoes on credit?
  34. vasya.pupkin
    vasya.pupkin 10 January 2018 12: 36
    +3
    Quote: Chertt
    allaykbar Young man, it’s not rude to be rude here. Banned immediately and forever

    And that you have a "blat" from the moderators?
    I will bypass you the 10th road.
  35. Mentat
    Mentat 10 January 2018 15: 36
    0
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Missiles can be bought from other users of the system. For all those who have the illusions of chips, "about shutting down the systems we made ourselves," and that our air defense systems will not bring down our planes. Watch the 2008 war of the year. Well, our systems shot down our own aircraft.

    Are you such a great chip specialist in military technology? For the sake of two beech installations, no one would use such a mechanism.
    As for the existence of such schemes as a whole, it is naive to just expect that they cannot exist when even civilian technology uses tracking of users and the possibility of using undocumented functions, which has already been several scandals.
    Everyone who buys foreign military equipment, especially those with unexploded control units (under a contract and for technical reasons), expose themselves to a similar risk, of course, and accept this risk, because the alternative is to remain completely without weapons and protection, because their own industry in these countries is not able to produce them at the required level.